at least we still have one branch of Government, that gets something right some of the time...+1 to the SCOTUS...hope isn't abondoned for another day

But that wasn't possible with a conservative court.

Does this mean that those dirty stinking Canadians are going to be moving in to my backyard? That is what the debate is about right, Canadians?

So the court is right on this one. Will you still feel the same when they strike down Obama Care as unconstitutional?

Was Tom Curry hired yesterday? What "key" parts? This article gives us nothing but innuendo. Useless.

You better read the entire text...the court 'UPHELD' the most important part of the law which allows the police to check immigration status of people stop for 'cause'. They did NOT strike down 'check your papers' part of the law which is the most important!

They have given the dog a bone...Let's see what happens with the health care bill??

Any police person CAN ASK for the immigration status of anyone they stop.

Yeah!!!!!

Hey buddy, are you "illegal"? Show me your I.D.

mantis,

even if they say, forcing someone to buy health insurance is unconstitutional, most if not all of the rest of the bill remain intact.

It's appropriate to strike down some of this - but inappropriate for the Federal government to do nothing to help the border states.

Maybe put some of the funding being used for Camp Quantanomo to better use securing the borders.

For everyone in the lousy government to quit playng politics would be a step forward.

yes because we all love the illegals running around our neighborhoods,pooping out anchor babys and stretching our school and municipal budgets to the max..u obviously dont live in an area that is affected by these poor,putupon illegals

Borders - Enforce immigration law, or change it, don't pick and choose which laws you want to follow.

Language - Make English the National Language, all official government documents must be in English

Culture - Our Constitution and Bill of rights.

Don't agree with those three things? Pretty simple if you ask me

Good ruling, however, Romney said that he liked the Arizona law as a model for the nation... What's Romney going to flip to now?

One big win for the Immigrants working in this country... And a huge win for the federal Government...

Actually most of the steam has been taken out of the health care ruling, even if the courts strike it down most health providers say they will still follow most of it anyway

I suggest everyone read the decision; the main part of the law stays in effect; a law enforcement officer may check the status of a person, who has been lawfully stopped for a brief detention to determine their immigration status; it does appear that MSN, reporter did not read the decision.

Obama "AFFECTED" the US Supreme Court decision - with his recent Executive Order - to not deport illegal aliens under 30 -

and by having Kagan as the former Solicitor General under the Obama Administration - on the US Supreme Court bench - to tip him off how to affect the ruling that was coming down the pike-

when word got out that it was going to be upheld as "constitutional".

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What a @!$%#ty written article with little to NO substance ... written ONLY to stir up a hot button topic.

MSNBC is the MOST pathetic INFOTAINMENT

THERE IS ZERO NEWS in this article period...ZERO

Was Tom Curry hired yesterday? What "key" parts? This article gives us nothing but innuendo. Useless.

They attached the ruling for you to read...

But I'll spare you the trouble. It's basically the parts that everyone had an issue with, that is the police being able to stop and arrest people suspected of being here illegally. According to the ruling:

As a general rule, it is not a crime for a removable alien to remain in the United States.

And they go on to say that it is not within the rights of a state (and state law enforcement) to perform the duties of federal immigration officials, namely the arrest and detention of persons thought to be here illegally.

The Attorney General in some circumstances will issue a warrant for trained federal immigration officers to execute. If no federal warrant has been issued, these officers have more limited authority. They may arrest an alien for being “in the United States in violation of any [immigration] law or regulation,” for example, but only where the alien “is likely to escape before a warrant can be obtained.” §1357(a)(2). Section 6 attempts to provide state officers with even greater arrest authority, which they could exercise with no instruction from the Federal Government. This is not the system Congress created. Federal law specifies limited circumstances in which state officers may perform an immigration officer’s functions. This includes instances where the Attorney General has granted that authority in a formal agreement with a state or local government. See, e.g., §1357(g)(1). Although federal law permits state officers to “cooperate with the Attorney General in the identification, apprehension, detention, or removal of aliens not lawfully present in the United States,” §1357(g)(10)(B), this does not encompass the unilateral decision to detain authorized by §6. Pp. 15–19.

Long story short, as was the case before Arizona tried to make new laws, local law enforcement has no authority or jurisdiction to question someone about their immigration status and even if they learned about their immigration status, they don't exactly have the right to arrest and detain them only based on said immigration status.

Obama 1

TeaParty and Romney 0

NEXT!!!!!!!!

The law had made it a crime for non-citizens who are unlawfully present in the United States to work in Arizona and requires police officers to check the immigration status of any person whom they have probable cause to believe is an illegal immigrant.

How is this wrong? These police officers are prevented from doing their jobs. So what this is telling us is that non-citizens are allowed to take jobs from citizens in Arizona with the help of the govt? And President Obama is happy with that?

Just another reason our current President needs to leave. He seems to forget that he is the President of OUR country; not Mexico's.

The decision was a victory for President Obama who had criticized the law, saying it “threatened to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans.”

These aren't Americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are Illegal immigrants. What part doesn't the President get!!!!!!!!!1

Just shows you how much the President really cares for OUR laws!!!!!!!!!

Time to vote this President out NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

royalstar05..."They did the right thing."

Now if we could only get the Federal, or should I say Feral, Government to do "the right thing" and uphold the existing immigration laws.

If it did, Arizona would have never been forced into this position in the first place.

Don, enforcing the law does not make one a bigot. I wish the people of Mexico all had blond hair and blue eyes, it would make enforcing the law a lot easier without all the bigot and racism BS.

Illegal immigrants, not 'immigrants.' There is a big difference here. LEGAL immigrants have every right to be able to work and stay, illegal immigrants are here illegally, they have no right to stay and take work away from both citizens and LEGAL immigrants.

As to a huge win for the Federal Government, not exactly. They upheld the most controversial aspect, namely the ability of law enforcement to check for legal status when crimes have been commited.

The country is going through a recession/depression with millions getting government assistance to stay afloat. The poverty levels have increased 41% and record numbers of people are getting food stamps. If you are grateful for the 'Huge Win' for the Federal Government, perhaps you should be willing to pay for the 'new poor' which the Federal Government is helping to create.

So now Illegal aliens, Can now get free healthcare, Free education and instate college tuition.

Legal Citizens have to pay taxes so Illegal aliens can get free services.

Good ruling, however, Romney said that he liked the Arizona law as a model for the nation... What's Romney going to flip to now?

Well if Romney's elected President then he'll have Federal law to deal with. He's not Governor of Arizona.

Basic logical sense. Did that really need to be said?

Thanks, Emanuel. You make a better reporter than Mr Curry. Looks like msnbc is starting to fill out the article now.

@Wake up now!

Borders - Are being enforced. As with all things it's not 100%. Some slip through. President Obama has the highest deportation record than the past presidents.

Language - If you want to go back to the begin...start speaking a Native American language...we are the first Americans!!! (I don't speak a Native American language, but I have Native American ancestry.) Stop being a bigot. Our country wasn't made just from Englishmen/women. It is made of many cultures from the beginning.

Culture - As a woman, I don't plan to go back to having NO Vote and being consider property. I don't think a lot of other people want to be considered slaves either. Stop with the going back. The reason we have Amendments is because the Founding Father's knew they could predict the future of the country and left room for growth. Grow up and learn from them.

What is pretty simple is to act like this is a country based on Freedoms, not suppression. Based on many cultures, not one. Based on many religions, not one. Based on all people having the right to live without being harassed!!!!

Time to change strategies. Obama doesn't want the states to enforce the law, he doesn't want the feds to enforce the law, Arizona tried to protect themselves against the failure of the president to faithfully execute the laws, now there is no choice but to go directly after Obama.

Nothing in this article, move on, nothing to see. Keep moving.

According to the article, they struck down the part that makes it illegal for illegal immigrants to get jobs. Isn't that already illegal?

Wake up now!

Borders - Enforce immigration law, or change it, don't pick and choose which laws you want to follow.

Language - Make English the National Language, all official government documents must be in English

Culture - Our Constitution and Bill of rights.

Don't agree with those three things? Pretty simple if you ask me

I don't agree with those three things, so what?

Well, according to the Supreme Court, Arizona doesn't get to decide who is here legally or illegally. This basically pokes a thumb in the eye to anyone who wants to make illegal immigration a crime. Trying to find a job should not be a crime. Isn't that what all the Conservatives keep telling everyone anyway, "Get a job?" Why is the government getting between an employer and an employee? Don't we want a free jobs market?

Where are all your principles?

Now, how do we get our do nothing congress off of their butts and start passing immigration laws?

Boehner, get off the golf course and get to work on the bills sent to you by our President...

Deborah S.

I understand your own self prejudice but I will try to enlighten you.

Borders- I am not arguing Obama's deportation record. We are a nation of laws, we cannot just ignore laws that we feel are wrong.

Language - You fail to understand by immigrants not speaking/understanding the laws of the government then they will be manipulated. This is creating a sub-culture that is taking advantage of people.

Culture - Your rhetoric is really good on this one, apparently you have never heard of the 19th amendment. I don't know how you could read into my post that I think all amendments should be eliminated.

None of your arguments have any logic.

raddave

Go live in Columbia under a dictator and see how you like that. Are you an anarchist, globalist, communist, what?

Some people are on here talking about how the major parts of the law are still in place. That is simply not true. The most threatening part of the law, which said that officers can arrest people who they THINK are here illegally, is struck down. Does blonde hair, and fair skin make you think someone is here illegally, or tan skin, and an accent? Brewer, and her congressional partners are a bunch of racist pigs, and the racist parts of this law were struck down accordingly.

Romneyismynightmare

Actually most of the steam has been taken out of the health care ruling, even if the courts strike it down most health providers say they will still follow most of it anyway

Apparently, the obvious eludes you. If the major health insurance companies are voluntarily willing to operate within the parameters of ObamaCare, then there really isn't much need for ObamaCare itself.

As I've said all along, Democrats did NOT have to include the individual mandate to legislate regulatory reform for health insurance (mind you, I said health insurance...not health care). Any or all of the "reforms" could have been legislated without making buying a consumer product brought to the market by private, for-profit corporations a condition of being an American citizen in good standing. The individual mandate is nothing more than a gracious thank you to the health insurance lobbyists et al for their campaign contributions to Congresspersons and the President.

If the companies would voluntarily comply with the reforms without the individual mandate, why is it necessary to enslave every American to one corporation or another so they remain profitable to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars...?

Illegals can ask for or work in AZ. To me that just flys in the face of reason. If you are illegal, then you need to be gone. PERIOD.

Now they need to do something about voter suppression. The courts need to stop the Republican governors from pushing their filthy agenda's. Otherwise, we may as well move to China because our freedom will be down the toilet.

A shame these failures had to be voted on in the first place. Phonies knew was lame when they thought them up. Just like health care. At least we are progressing. Guess we can thank the "new" unhonorable GOP for at least a couple of small things .... nay. Unhonorable is unhonorable and this new republican party is unhonorable. Obviously.

States do not trump Federal law.

This will energize voters registration in Arizon and all states with a large Latino population.

Watch out Alabama and Georgia, you crazy immigration laws will be next.

In my state the police are required to check for auto insurance every time they pull someone over.

If that's unconstitutional, fine, but if it's not, I don't see how checking immigration status would be.

Actually the police can only verify citizenship if the person is in custody, traffic stops wont work. And think about it this way, put yourself in the shoes of an American born in this country but with Mexican desent. So you pretty much look mexican but are an American, how would you feel if you got stopped and asked to prove you belong here? That is what is happening in Arizona, you want government out of your lives but think its ok to put it on other Americans.

My readers KNOW ,.. As I predicted. Had Arizona simply listened to me in the first place they could have saved themselves a hole lot of grief, business and embarrassment. ; ]

Cheers

The part of the law the justices upheld requires police officers stopping someone to make efforts to verify the person’s immigration status with the Federal Government.

But wasn't that the thing the libs were most upset about? Wasn't that the profiling issue that Obama and Holder were trying to make the big issue? A big loss for the Obama administration spun by MSNBC as a big win! It will be interesting to see how the media will spin the ACA (Obamacare) being overturned as a win for Obama. Tom Curry is such a transparent DNC hack!

Any time a US citizen is pulled over for a traffic violation a check is run to see if there are any warrants. Why would we exclude checking if someone is a legal citizen? Illegal citizens can not get a Driver License unless they are using someone else's social security number. SO often officers pull these people over, give them a ticket for driving with a license and fail to investigate further if the person is legal or not. SO often these violators go to court in front of a Judge and they simply pay the fine for driving without a license. Why are these law breakers allowed to go free after they pay a fine? Why are they not deported?

The constant contention from the supporters of this law seems to be echoed in this: "They upheld the most controversial aspect, namely the ability of law enforcement to check for legal status when crimes have been commited. "

Not sure why you seem to find this controversial, I don't. I do find warrentless arrests to be just a *tad* controversial. Of course maybe you think this is just fine and would continue to think so right up to the time they come for you because they think you look suspicious.

Eric NY I work with about 500 or so mexicans many illegal at my job and they all pay taxes. I certainly don't know about all companies but where I work they do have to pay their taxes.

Apparently these judges are in Obamas payroll. How stupid can you be??? I just dont understand how letting illegal immigrants stay, so we - the legal residents - have to pay for their well being- is a GOOD THING for the United States. I feel like I should go to Mexico, become a citizen, and then sneak back in to the US! That way, I can come back, get a job and not pay for my health insurance anymore! Whats the POSITIVE SIDE about being a CITIZEN in the US anymore? NOTHING. Dont even need to be a citizen to be the President.......

All this is is the SCOTUS throwing the liberal dogs a bone for when the real issue of obamacare is declared completely unconstitutional.

“threatened to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans.” Oh yeah President dick-head? These illeagals are NOT Americans and should not be treated fairly as such! They are here illegally and contribute to MANY of our nation's problems...crime, poverty, hunger, national debt, etc. Thanks for re-inforcing the notion that America promotes the breaking of its laws. how about we just remove all boarder patrol and put up welcome signs instead that say "Broke? Unemployed? Can't speak English? Come to America, steal our jobs, pay no taxes, and get welfare, EVT, and food stamps to buy cigs with" American dream has now become the Mexican Dream.

The libs seen to be having a Field day on SB1070. However the court struck down 3 provisions because state law can not supersede Federal law. There are already Federal laws that cover these provisions. They refused to rule on the biggest and key provision of the law.

The provision on mandatory checks during routine stops will now kick back to a lower court for review, and could still be subject to challenge. The rest of the ruling, though, definitively strikes down three other provisions in the Arizona law.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/25/supreme-court-strikes-down-most-arizona-immigration-law-upholds-key-provision/#ixzz1yovQpJFR

The article states that the justices struck down three other parts of the law (one of which is):

• One making it a crime for an illegal immigrant to work or to seek work in Arizona

I'm confused on this one. Isn't the only way an illegal immigrant can work in the US is to be a criminal since they have to provide a valid social security number. If they have a valid social security number to provide, haven't they committed identity theft.

Are you OK with illegals committing identity theft against you as a legal US citizen?

I guess the SCOTUS authorizes & condones crimes by foreign nationals (illegal immigrants) against it's own citizens...

OhhhPinnYunnn,

In my state it is not illegal for a immigrant (illegal or legal) to get a driver's license.

The only part of the law that remains intact is the ability to ask about legal status when someone is arrested. Unfortunately the presence of someone in the country without being properly documented is not illegal in this case. At most the person can be issued a summons to appear before a group which determines their fate (deportation, asylum, etc.). In this regard the police are still not going to be able to deport folks from this law. It has essentially been gutted.

Unhappy-1583758

You really don't understand the spirit of the United States. It is you that wants to turn the U.S. into something it's never been. Perhaps it is you that does not belong. Giving "mutts" from other lands an opportunity at a better life is what we are all about. We are not talking about hard criminals. Dangerous criminals will still be incarcerated, persons without the best interests of the U.S. in mind will still be deported.

it all smoke , insurance companys by say that are trying to influance the court. without it being law. there is nothing to govern what they do.

I wonder why anyone wastes their time trying to come to this country legally. You put yourself at a disadvantage

Debdem

Actually the police can only verify citizenship if the person is in custody, traffic stops wont work. And think about it this way, put yourself in the shoes of an American born in this country but with Mexican desent. So you pretty much look mexican but are an American, how would you feel if you got stopped and asked to prove you belong here?

I'm asked to prove I belong here every time they ask for my ID. If you're offended by that, you're too emotional and easily offended.

So, the current administration won. Now the ball is in Obama's court. He has until November to get to work on a federal level enforcing the borders since he tied the hands of state officials just looking for illegal activity. Just because someone has non-white skin doesn't mean they get a free pass on the legal system.

Besides, I find it hilarious that now it's of opinion that it's all of these hispanics just trying to work in Arizona after the liberals did their little "boycott Arizona" movement. I guess that makes them anti-hispanic, huh?

JR 1784

Imagine owning a ranch in Arizona. Your cattle wear green tags on their ears. What do you do when you discover a cow in the pasture with a orange tag? Do you see where we are going!

OK, so the Court implies in their ruling that to act with the intent of enforcement of a law that says it is illegal to be in the US illegally is illegal because it infringes on the legal rights of people in the US. OK, so I am hearing it is illegal to enforce a law that would allow us to check and arrest someone who is here illegally because it infringes on their rights? So, if you are here illegally you have rights that allow you to be here illegally? I'm a bit confused here. Is it legal to be illegal or is it illegal to be legal?

The most important part, "SHOW ME YOUR ID STAY". Foe Democrats to say it it a win, is just spin. All other parts of the law can not be enforced by state but is under Federal Immigration Law. The requirement of legal status for work is in effect even is not considered a crime, the state still can enforce without making this a crime. No cheers

Basically the SCOTUS upheld Arizona's right to check for immigration status and told the Federal government (despite Obama's recent statement) that it has to uphold its own laws. Big win for Arizona and the US.

just as i was losing confidence our country would improve, there is hope after all. we already have more ppl in jail then anyone else in the world. we dont need more. arizona tried to put anyone brown who doesnt drive in jail and im not hispanic, not from arizona but as a citizen who lives in the city and does not drive, it angers me how they discriminate the poor, and in this case the ridiculous racism. there are millions of americans like me who dont have a ID, drivers licence. the whole law is part of arizona private prison profit, arizona also made a law requiring a $25 fee to visit inmates. lets not forget this is not white mans land. no1 has the right to be dictators and thats what arizona has been. matter fact 100 years ago arizona was a part of mexico. if many republicans really cared about stoping illegals then why are you guys like iowa governer keep supporting the companies who hire illegals? cuz of your factory farm profits like tyson? you let them abuse animals in confinement, darm rooms, you let them abuse illegals by letting them recruit them. then you claim you trying to stop illegals by passing a racial profile law. thats being a hyrpcortite. i hope sheriff joe can be charged and convicted. thats the next step. even the law did not pass, he doesnt care. he keeps doing what hes doing and no1 is stopping him. were wasting millions of tax dollars on sheriff joe, fences, and immigration laws when it can go towards postive reasons. this is why our economy is so bad.

wait a momemt did they uphold the racial profile part? if police throw innocent ppl in jail then ppl need to protest. no1 should have to be stoped for no reason and have to show immigration status just becuase of thier race. simple protest wont work, need to break police cars, we as ppl have been so nice and patient with our goverment yet they contintue to dicate and dominate us. i dont mean violence, but something like break police cars and stuff. you have to, its no choice. we have 25% of the worlds prison population, 95% of those ppl dont belong there.

Sadly, some people will look at this and think Obama is just opening the doors to illegal immigration, and yet, illegal immigration is at the lowest point is has been in 40 years. But nooooo, can't give him any credit for that, can you?

the title is misleading, arizona won this case. americans, we must all do something. the govement, supreme court is so poweful right now they dictate us. jan brewer needs to be charged with hate crime. were in this all together. they are taking all our rights away regardless of race. sure its hurts to be a miniorty but look at all the innocent white ppl in jail, look how they steal tax money. look what the police did to homeless white man kelly thomas and beat him to death. we got support each other regardless of race. atleast here in jersey we do, i dont know how the south is.

I prefer the "Stop and Shoot" laws that Texas Rangers did to Pancho Villa's Murdering Mexicans.

Illegal is illegal. If they want to be here in the USA, then they should apply for a visa and then apply for citizenship. But no, they don't want to do that. That would mean that they have to abide by ALL of our laws. Plus, the process takes a long time. All of you bleeding hearts that say this is a good thing, please feel free to give up your jobs to all of these illegals. I'm sure you won't mind. After all, you don't mind them being here, right????

Ebeneser Howard

These illeagals are NOT Americans and should not be treated fairly as such!

He buddy, you might want to learn a little geography, they are Americans. The term American does not belong to just the United States, but to all Countries of both North and South America. So, while they may not be Citizens of the United States (US) they most certainly are Americans.

See, this is the problem with you bigots is that you think you are the centre of the Universe, but guess what sunshine, you aint. In fact, each year you slide further and further down the scale of world importance. You are nothing more than bullies trying desperately to hold onto to your perceived "greatness."

Get over yourselves and start acting like responsible world citizens and maybe, just maybe things might start getting better.

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I always love how some posters on here never let nuance or facts get in the way of writing pointless, rambling posts.

Let's give the facts a go:

1.) Striking down parts of the Arizona law does not mean those things are then legal. Those parts were struck down because they would supercede federal laws which are already in place.

2.) There have been more deportations under Obama's watch then under many of the previous presidents. Obama has actually been tougher on borders and immigration than Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr, etc. Feel free to look it up. It's all out there. Try again.

3.) We have no national language. In part, because this entire nation was built on diversity and immigrants. Did you know, for example, that the New Mexico state constitution is in both Spanish and English? That's because New Mexico was originally part of Mexico and a large portion of those living there (at the time it was made part of the U.S.) were Latino. There's no reason to make a national language. There are many countries that have large portions of individuals who speak many different languages and they get along just fine. How about you learn another language and make yourself a bit more worldly?

Also, for the poster above who tried to claim that making a national language is to benefit immigrants because they are at a disadvantage -- if your real concern was helping immigrants, then shouldn't you be arguing for more money to be put toward ESL classes or something similiar? That would be more useful than trying to make a national language.

So, there ya go -- some facts and nuance for you. Now back to your regularly scheduled ignorant ranting..

Unfortunately hearts2004 if we disqualified folks from working in the US because they were criminals even the handful of liberal posters on this website that work would now be unemployed.

Roland, Actually the term Americans does belong to just the United States. Americans are the citizens of the United States of America. The country is home to people of different national origins. As a result, Americans do not equate their nationality with ethnicity, but with citizenship. People from Mexico refer to themselves as Mexican and People from Canada refer to themselves as Canadian. True, they are both North American, but they aren't American.

If You look at the ruling it is entirely logical, the Justices upheld the States right to stop someone they believe is a criminal, the three parts that were stricken down were parts that already exist in Federal Law and are the responsibility of the Federal Government to uphold. The Justices probably believe that future Administrations will be more competent and actually uphold the laws They swear an Oath to uphold , therefore there is no need to re-inforce existing law.

ItsAboutTime-3704531 Romney is so focused on RomoNOMICS (what's yours is mine and what's mine is mine) that he doesn't have time to focus on anything else. As the GOP reminds us... the economy is all that matters, this is just a distraction from Obama

Your first sentence...shouldn't that read "OBAMA is focused on what's yours is mine and what's mine is mine"?

I have yet to see any 'anti-Obama on immigration' address the fact that the Obama Administration has deported more illegal aliens than any other President. My source is a Republican document. Yet today we hear a Texas Republicans say

1. "It is the federal government’s job to enforce our immigration laws, but President Obama has willfully neglected this responsibility."

2. "today’s ruling essentially puts an end to immigration enforcement since the states no longer can step in and fill the void created by the Obama administration"

- House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas

For those who loose their train of thought easily let me repeat, "the Obama Administration has deported more illegal aliens than any other President."

Do people not understand basic logic and obvious contradiction? Are they so blinded by their bias that they argue against themselves and don't realize it? The hypocrisy can't be any more obvious and yet it seems beyond the grasp of a Texas judiciary chairman. So I suppose it is unsurprising that it is beyond the reasoning of the citizens who put people like him and Governor (um, um, um) Perry into office.

Arizona, the same racists who would not honor Martin Luther King Jr Day.

Until the National Football League said:

No MLK Day equals No Superbowl. (Arizona caved in for the money)

Illegal immigrants (from the south... I can't imagine anyone that would want to move to the US from Canada) take the jobs that many Americans don't want to take... Before the company that I used to work for did a big crackdown on illega immigrants, we had a very efficient kitchen. They worked harder than I've ever seen any person of any race work (I'm Caucasian, FWIW), they didn't complain about their jobs or their pay, and they knew enough English to get by. Once our company cracked down and they were all fired, we had to rehire, and the only applicants we had were a bunch of 16 year olds whose parents were forcing them to get jobs. They had no work ethic, and our kitchen suddenly had a revolving door of new applicants in and failed employees out. Nobody could even begin to grasp the amount of work that our "illegal immigrants" had done. I ended up leaving a year later, frustrated with the sudden 200% turnover rate that we had because we couldn't get people to work at a pace that would allow our restaurant to be profitable. If illegal immigrants are willing to do the job, let them have them, because the spoiled children of today can't handle them, and no adult can make a reasonable living doing it (and Big Fat America has forgotten how to cook at home).

"It's appropriate to strike down some of this - but inappropriate for the Federal government to do nothing to help the border states."

I keep hearing the Federal Government does nothing to enforce immigration laws, but deportations are higher than they have ever been, border patrol has been increased significantly and illegal immigration is lower than it has been in years. Those of you who are whining about lack of enforcement are the same people who whine about spending taxpayer money on Federal jobs. Border Patrol and Immigration Enforcement are Federal jobs. What is it you want? Less Federal workers or more Federal workers?

@heart It doesn't take much to have more deportations than last year, or the year before, or...

I dont care how many are deported, All I care is how many get IN. Have you ever wondered how the government gets stats on the amount of illegals entering the country? Same here! My guess is that they find, and DONT DEPORT THEM!!! Then there are the millions of not found ones... Just put up an electric fence on the border, and all of our immigration problems will be solved... Electricity is cheaper than manpower...

Jerry Obama Sanduskey echoed the Democrat mantra “it’s for the children”.

Cause that's just how they roll.......

It should be noted that S.B. 1070 began with 14 sections. After all the challenges at several court levels, 11 of those sections are still standing –

The Court ruling will result in a lot more illegal aliens being brought to the attention of the feds.

The SCOTUS has spoken.

If anyone [i.e. Illegal Aliens (Immigrants)] wants to "question" the Supreme Court of the United States decision, then I suggest they "laser focus" their "lawyer" energies on this Administration instead.

BTW: Illegal means just that ..... ILLEGAL.

nwnative Obama is doing something about voter suppression! He is encouraging illegals to come across the border with a promise to make them citizens and allow them to vote in this election! Oh, did I just give away his strategy for winning reelection!

The only votes that are being suppressed are the legal citizens of this nation!

As for the rulings by the Supreme Court on Arizona's immigration laws, they may have struck down three parts of it but they are still part of federal law. Laws that the Obama administration refuse to enforce!

Every state that is in danger of declaring bankruptcy is there due to large populations of illegals. They fill up all the welfare systems being paid for by legal citizens and raise their children on our dime!

The person in the white house has shown complete disrespect for our laws, our constitution and the best interests of this nation! His hope and change has resulted in a forty percent decrease in the financial health of the working people in this country!

The guy is an incompetent boob! The quicker we get rid of him the better!!!!

REALLY, Steve?

How 'bout some proof the President will allow illegal aliens to vote in the 2012 elections? Can't do it, can you?

So the police in Arizona will still be expected to check the immigration status of people suspected of being in Arizona illegally.

And employers in Arizona are still required to use the E-Verify system to ensure that they hire only legal residents, and face stiff fines and penalties if they hire an illegal worker.

How is that a 'victory' for Obama? Boy, talk about a 'spin'.

I suspect that when these laws are fully implemented, there will be a mass-exodus of illegal immigrants from Arizona - probably to California.

When is MSNBC going to report:

1. That Mr. Obama and the DHS have issued orders FOR ICE NOT TO ACCEPT those individuals handed over by Arizona law enforcement officials in accordance with an existing State Law deemed CONSTITUTIONAL by SCOTUS and,

2. That they have initiated a HOT LINE to report Arizona law enforcement officials suspected of doing something wrong ?

Mr. Obama swore to uphold the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America. Yet, he and his administration will not enforce Sanctuary City Laws, DOMA law, and now FEDERAL IMMIGRATION LAWS....to name a few.

Yep, time for change in 2012....that is....if Mr. Obama survives an impeachment proceeding beforehand.

What the SCOTUS has done is given AZ a way to actually measure the federal gov't response to illegal immigration...since AZ can now ascertain the immigration status of arrestees and then document that those illegals were brought to the attention of the federal immigration authorities. This will result in quantifiable data that can sway elections, both state and federal. Basically, the SCOTUS has put the Obama Adminstration on notice that it can't just turn a blind eye to illegals committing crimes without taking action.

Ido, the very fact that you think an impeachment would be either likely or beneficial to the electoral chances of the Republican Party is revealing.

The court did what the court should have done in striking down the majority of this law as pre-empting what is the federal government's constitutional right. Its amazing how all the strict constructionists can't get past this. One only has to read Justice Scalia's convoluted dissenting opinion to understand the lengths that this "Activist Conservative" court to impose their agenda. The more important case was the stiking down of the Montana good government statute, that's the real threat to our democracy, non-transparent, unlimited spending to sway our elections. I wouldn't mind the spending so much if I knew exactly who was behind it so we could judge for ourselves what self-interest they are working for.

The court did make the right decision. If you read and understand the law and your Constitution this is the only decision that could be made. That said, it still doesn't solve the issues that many of the States are facing from illegal immigration. The Federal Government is not enforcing the laws that are in place. Therefore if I were these states and someone was picked up and found to be an illegal immigrant, I would take and drop them on the White House Lawn and/or Congress chambers. Let them deal with it face to face.

Nice try Arizona. The only reason why Arizona even wrote the laws they did was due to the lack of our Federal Government enforcing the laws on the books today. This whole mess could have been avoided if Obama and his administration did their job. Think of the tax payer money wasted due to the lack of support by the Obama administration on this issue.

They need to forget about going after illegals!! PUNISH the people who employ them. They can look for work all they want but if they punish the employer they are done. Even if they cant put the employer in jail they can pass a law for a HUGE tax on EVERY illegal on the payroll. Its called ILLEGAL for a reason people!!

kathyk1960...the unions have done this for years. George soros ring a bell?? BUT now that a business can jump in you libs dont like it. Whats the diff.? I will tell you. George soros wants to (by his OWN words) see America fall. The unions are in with the dems. PRIVATE business knows the dems are NOT business friendly so you call foul. Too bad!! Bozo loses in a landslide come november!!!

John B, Des Moines, IA

REALLY, Steve?

How 'bout some proof the President will allow illegal aliens to vote in the 2012 elections? Can't do it, can you?

I wouldnt be too sure, I just watched a clip from news online about a month or so ago where they were talking about the trust worthiness of voting. If i recall it showed how easy it was for people to vote with improper ID or being able to vote when they shouldnt. It really affects the integrity of votes. I will have to find it.

Here's a website from the NYU School of Law discussing the myth of voter fraud. http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/

Obama Gives Illegal Aliens Phones for Votes

Monday, December 19, 2011

Illegal aliens now quite possibly can call a toll free government number, 1-800-259-0957, to get a free “Obama Phone.” The program, conventionally known as Safe Link Wireless, is available to those are on food stamps or Medicaid. Applying for work permits that give them drivers’ licenses provides illegals proof of identity. With that, they enter America’s entitlement class and even become enabled to vote in our elections — for Democrats, of course.

The Obama administration has set up a cascading series events, beginning back in August when deportation of tens of thousands of illegal immigrants was suspended, pending reviews. “A review of about 300,000 deportation cases currently before the immigration courts,” will be done by the DOJ and Homeland Security to “halt deportations of longtime residents with clean police records who came here illegally when they were children,” according to a New York Timesarticle.

A source contacted me saying she translated Latino publications, and they are urging Hispanic illegals to be sure to get their work permits, so they can get drivers’ licenses, so they can register to vote. In the Chicago way, are we seeing the Obama campaign begin now to pad their Democrat voter lists by providing illegals incentives to vote for Obama by paving the way to sidestep those onerous voter ID rules about 35 states have enacted?

Democrats Benefit From Illegal Immigrant Voting

Why are Democrats so uniformly opposed to proof of citizenship in order to vote? They and their interest group surrogates insist there is no problem with voter security. But why should we believe this when we know illegal immigrants routinely lie to obtain employment? (Federal law requires employees to sign a document called an I-9 Form upon becoming employed swearing under penalty of perjury that he or she is authorized for employment, i.e., is a citizen or lawfully admitted alien and to provide two forms of ID to prove it.) I have seen thousands of bogus I-9 Forms signed by illegal immigrants and copies of their false social security cards in my RICO cases against employers who hire them. These false attestations are rarely prosecuted by federal authorities. And why would we think illegal immigrants, whose very presence in this country is a crime, would be above a little more crime in order to obtain employment?

Once that is understood, why would we think illegal immigrants would not also lie to obtain medical care in public hospitals, food stamps, unemployment benefits, and register to vote? Only two states actually require proof of citizenship in order to register (Arizona and Kansas). The others merely require the applicant sign a sworn statement attesting to the fact that he or she is a citizen. But this is what is asked, and routinely perjured, on the I-9 Form. Thus, it follows that false claims of citizenship in order to register to vote should be widespread. There are some media reports of non-citizens voting, but generally, the media have not investigated the problem in any depth compared to their obsession with the insurmountable problem Republicans will have with Hispanic "voters."

The perceived trouble Republicans face, we are constantly told, stems from the party's opposition to illegal immigration. And perhaps there is a kernel of truth to this theory. It stands to reason that illegal immigrants who are illegally registered to vote would have a very real stake in seeing to it that Republicans do not come to power with their far right ideas about requiring proof of citizenship to vote (which has been required since the founding of the Republic) and to be employed in this country. After all, if these laws were seriously enforced, it might be intolerable for illegal immigrants to live in the U.S. They would, presumably, lose employment, subsidized medical care, and the right to vote for candidates for will perpetuate such a way of life.

Democratic party spokesmen justify their opposition to laws requiring proof of citizenship in order to register to vote by the absurd claim that poor people do not have birth certificates or passports. But we require everyone, including the poor, to produce such documents when becoming employed for their I-9 Forms. And if that is tolerable, then it must also be tolerable for the same documents to be produced to register to vote and some sort of photo ID in order to vote.

There is a huge problem with voter fraud. And, in my opinion, it is proven by the vehemence of the Democrats, the beneficiaries of the fraud, toward enforcement of our laws.

Left Ignores Facts, Claim No Illegal Immigrants Voting in US Elections

February 28, 2012

During a discussion panel on voter identification (ID) laws held at the U.S. Capitol on Feb. 17, Rep. John Lewis (D-GA), let it be known that he equates voter ID laws, or proof of citizenship laws, with Jim Crow laws that if passed will cause America to “step backward toward another dark time in our history.” Lewis also alleged that he did not know of any cases of illegal immigrants voting and it’s a “lot of say-and-do about nothing.”

At the same meeting, Rep, Emmanuel Cleaver II ((D-Mo.) said there are no illegal immigrants voting the U.S. He also said that only 13 cases of voter fraud took place in the entire United States in the past ten years. We’re not sure where Cleaver got his “facts,” but we are positive he and his staffers never bothered to double-check.

According to a report issued by the Commission on Federal Election Reform in 2005, federal prosecutors charged 89 individuals and convicted 53 for election-fraud offenses. Another highlight from the report – In 2004, at least 35 foreign citizens applied for and received voter cards in just ONE county in Texas. That same year, the Washington State gubernatorial election was decided by 133 votes while 1,678 illegal votes were cast. The election was upheld because there was no way to determine which candidate received the illegal votes.

Currently, 29 states have no ID requirement to vote and 31 require some form of identification to vote, with eight requiring photo ID.

Marmaduke, you need to read the information from the NYU School of Law, given by DrDrGimmetheNews just ahead of you.

Here's where to find those NYU articles that actually have researched voter fraud:

http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/

Oh, and by the way, you're wrong about the phones, too.

Anybody else notice the 'weasel language' in the first sentence?

"Illegal aliens now quite possibly can call"

Not that they definitely can or than any have, but "quite possibly" can. Hmmmm.... Reminds me of the opening lines in lots of stories on Fox, "Some say....."

Buck up.. your sadness is someone else's happiness

You clearly misunderstand how our constitutional system works. If Congress passes a law that is unconstitutional, the Supreme Court can strike it down to protect we the people.

They dropped the ball with Citizens United.

The ONLY people the Supreme court is protecting in this is the Illegals. They aren't doing a thing for lawabiding Legal taxpayers.

3 out of 4. I'll betcha Jan Brewer is hitting the bottle a little earlier than normal...

Citizens united has made me question whether this supreme court can make a decision for the well being of the nation. This week conservatives finally felt the burn of the big money buy outs when four republicans were bought to pass gay marriage in New York.

Regular Officers have never been able to enforce federal law. They can enforce the laws of their jurisdiction, but Federal Police (all branches of federal law enforcement) and US Marshals handle the rest.

This "Administration" must GO!

The police check portion was upheld by the court don't be fooled by the blogs.

This is a great thing for anyone who likes cheap produce. I like paying $1.50 for a head of lettuce instead of the $15.00 it would cost if american union workers were picking it.

hikeswithdogs,

No, federal law already required that immigrants carry ID! The Arizona law made it so that cops were, not only allowed, but required to detain and ask for ID from anyone who was brown, er I mean hispanic, er I mean a possible suspect of illegal immigration. Being a "suspect" was made an initial offense. It was very racist and very illegal for that Arizona hag to support this.

I'm glad they struck down the part of the law that makes it a crime for illegal immigrants to work in Arizona. We don't need our prisons full of people who are guilty of the crime of working for a living. It's strange to me that conservatives would be the ones who would pass such an insane law. Aren't they the ones who are always screaming, "Get a job!", at Occupy Wall Street protesters and others?

What a crock of sh!t, protect the illegal aliens and throw the American citizens under the bus.

I was so mistaken by thinking our Constitution was for the American citizen.

Romney 2012

Looks like the DOJ has a pretty good track record of recognizing unconstitutional provisions in law...first DOMA, now this.

Conservatives, for all their drum beating about respect for the Constitution, don't seem to have any clue how the system it set up is supposed to work.

The law had made it a crime for non-citizens who are unlawfully present in the United States to work in Arizona and requires police officers to check the immigration status of any person whom they have probable cause to believe is an illegal immigrant.

How is this wrong? These police officers are prevented from doing their jobs. So what this is telling us is that non-citizens are allowed to take jobs from citizens in Arizona with the help of the govt? And President Obama is happy with that?

Just another reason our current President needs to leave. He seems to forget that he is the President of OUR country; not Mexico's.

The decision was a victory for President Obama who had criticized the law, saying it "threatened to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans."

These aren't Americans!!!!!!!! They are Illegal immigrants. What part doesn't the President get?

Just shows you how much the President really cares for OUR laws!!!!!!!!!

Time to vote this President out NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Instead of throwing illegal aliens in prison perhaps Arizona should throw people who hire them into prison instead.

So now Illegal aliens, Can now get free healthcare, Free education and instate college tuition.

Legal Citizens have to pay taxes so Illegal aliens can get free services.

So now our police can't even enforce federal law, I like Obama but this is a sad sad day.....I have zero faith in our political system or leaders.

That's not their job! That's why California for example can have legal medical marijuana and California police can't or won't arrest you for having a dispensary but the Feds can still shut you down and arrest you. If the police went around enforcing federal laws then the states would have no real authority. Of course in this case, the state was trying to give itself additional authority, but that also can't be allowed when it prevents the Feds from doing their job or it does the job of the Feds and then some.

Unhappy-1583758

So you think it's OKAY for a police officer who comes up with some 'BOGUS' right to check for IDS based on someone's race? Wasn't it a week ago that you had a whining comment about how Obama treaded on the US Constitution and took away rights?

This is a good thing. Appearing to be Hispanic was "probable cause" as according to the Arizona Law. This will prevent search and seizures based on appearance.

Arizona needs to shut the hell up and accept the ruling. The Supreme Court has spoken. This IS the American way.

bdjb: what has this to do with the Administration? The Supremes are a third branch of our form of government and do not answer to the other two.

One more strike against LEGAL AMERICAN CITIZENS. Hope and change is making it better to be an illegal wetback than a legal citizen. If you want a legal America vote out hope and change and bring a resemblance of legality back to the United States of America and burn ALL MEXICAN FLAGS IN AMERICA. If you are not in America legally get out I knew the hispanic woman on the supreme court would vote AGAINST THE LEGAL AMERICANS.

Remember, this current court is 5-4 Republicans

Unhappy-1583758,

Why is this so difficult?!! It was already a federal crime to not carry your papers. Making it a primary offense at the state level was unconstitutional (along with opening the door for harassment and unlawful dentition). Requiring the state police to pull people over or otherwise detain them if they suspected them of being illegal was messed up. Checking their status as a secondary offense is still fine. The state just has no jurisdiction to create and enforce an existing federal law. Now, don't tell me you now want the Fed's checking spending money on a special force to check "suspects" papers....That's a bit fascist in every sense.

FAIR Applauds Supreme Court's Decision Upholding the Right of State and Local Governments

http://www.fairus.org/news/fair-applauds-supreme-court-s-decision-upholding-the-right-of-state-and-local-governments

Coupled with last year's ruling, upholding Arizona's requirement that all employers check the employment eligibility of the people they hire using the federal E-Verify system, states now have broad latitude to carry out a policy of attrition through enforcement.

"The Supreme Court has provided state and local governments with clear guidelines of what they can do to discourage illegal immigration and assist in immigration enforcement," said Stein. "It is now up to them to choose whether to protect the interests of illegal aliens or the interests of citizens. And, it is now up to Congress to hold the Obama administration accountable for carrying out the nation's immigration laws in a manner that protects the interests of the American people in all 50 states."

1. Still can use E-Verify

2. Police can question anyone about immigration status.

It is an incorrect assumption that illegal immigrants do not pay taxes. This is an excerpt from an older story but you get the point...

Illegal immigrants are paying taxes to Uncle Sam, experts agree. Just how much they pay is hard to determine because the federal government doesn't fully tally it. But the latest figures available indicate it will amount to billions of dollars in federal income, Social Security and Medicare taxes this year. One rough estimate puts the amount of Social Security taxes alone at around $9 billion per year.

Paycheck withholding collects much of the federal tax from illegal workers, just as it does for legal workers.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24054024/ns/business-personal_finance/t/tax-time-illegal-immigrants-are-paying-too/#.T-h57CtYtQQ

Members of Congress live very well off the backs of taxpayers, and for what? They do a pathetic job at best of enacting good laws that are not laden with political favors or written for special interest groups. The laws they do enact are very selectively enforced, which is the reason Arizona made the move they did. Immigration has long been a problem, and a promise from one administration after another. So far those promises have been worthless. This decision isn't a victory for Obama, it just highlights how our federal government has been a complete failure on this issue.

funkster01...."Regular Officers have never been able to enforce federal law."

You might want to read this:

287(g) http://www.ice.gov/news/library/factsheets/287g.htm

http://www.ice.gov/about/offices/leadership/osltc/

“The 287(g) program, one of ICE’s top partnership initiatives, allows a state and local law enforcement entity to enter into a partnership with ICE, under a joint Memorandum of Agreement (MOA), in order to receive delegated authority for immigration enforcement within their jurisdictions.”

You see, local law enforcement can enforce federal laws, but only at the Federal, I man Feral, Governments whim.

@Mickey,

I guess it doesn't matter to you that they take jobs from American citizens? I'm not talking about farm jobs, the high majority of Americans are too damn lazy to do that work (even though I did it as a teenager). But what about construction, restaurants, yard work, painting, warehouse work, house keeping, etc? Don't say Americans won't do that work, because I personally know many that do and would if the jobs were available. My wife worked cleaning a hotel for over a year while she was looking for a job in the medical field, she worked with four illegals. That's four jobs that could've been filled by Americans, pulling them off the government tit.

I also guess it doesn't matter the whole rest of the problem with education, public safety, medical fraud, identity theft, and the whole host of other issues they bring.

I really don't not understand, nor can comprehend any citizen that supports illegal immigration. You seriously defy any sort of logic, or you're not a citizen of this country in the first place.

Unhappy and AlexM,

"what this is telling us is that non-citizens are allowed to take jobs from citizens in Arizona with the help of the govt?"

"I guess it doesn't matter to you that they take jobs from American citizens?"

Are you and your friends willing to go out in the fields and dig up potatoes in the blazing Arizona sun all day long for 5 cents a bushel? I didn't think so.

I'm amazed at the allegations of racism here. I'm curious to know whether any of you live in Arizona? I suspect the liberal coalition in California (which is the epitomy of bad managment) fought this the hardest. They need those votes there.

I'm not against immigration; however I am against ILLEGAL immigration. That's the part that everyone seems to miss here - these people are here illegally and stealing American tax dollars. News station after news station (no not the big ones run by the politicians, but the local ones in places like Indiana) are reporting the scams they use.

MAny of the proponents of allowing illegal immigrants to run amok here might be surprised to find the Americans of hispanic decent (you know the legal ones) do not like the illegal ones. They are very outspoken about them. These foes include natual born citizens and those who got their right to be here the old fashioned way - get green card, get job (or sponsor), learn US history, take test, get sworn in.

No, I don't live in Arizona. I do live in Texas.

If anyone would care to read the "federal" law, and the Arizona law, they use the same verbage.

If the people of Georgia were being killed by drug cartels and illegals, (check out the reality of this item for Arizona citizens,) I would want the Feds to enforce their own law. If they Would Not, as in this case, I would want a law at the state level that would protect myself, my family and my friends and neighbors.

I do not like racial profiling and I will not say that there are no law enforcement officials who will not overstate their authority. That being said, people have the right to be protected in their own backyards.

Gilboagirl,

I believe two of the current justicees were nominated by Hussein Obama and don't think for a second that just because the three Branch's of government don't have to answer to each, doesn't mean they don't.

The mistake Arizona made was writing a law that made way too much sense. The Federal Gov and Obama could never support anything like that.

The law needed to say something like: "If you suspect somebody of being an illegal immigrant then you should throw them a parade, hand them jobs, and pay for their welfare, education, and healthcare". This is about the only law that Obama is going to support regarding illegal immigrants.

The police officer's job is not to enforce immigration law, particularly arrest people without a warrant..the state can't usurp the powers of the federal government no matter how much they disagree with it...the Court ruled correctly and clearly it wouldn't have been a 5-4 decision if Kagan was in the case..would have been 6-3.

Supreme Court strikes down three of four provisions in Arizona's controversial immigration law, but for now upholds key provision to require police officers, during routine stops, to check immigration status of anyone they suspect could be in the country illegally.

AlexM,

"I really don't not understand, nor can comprehend any citizen that supports illegal immigration"

I do not support illegal immigration. I am totally against it. But criminalizing honest labor is not the way to end it. There must be better ways.

This doesn't harm taxpayers. If anything it helps them. A lot of our food is picked by immigrants. Whether they are legal or not they save us money at the grocery store. Stop whining!

Also, President Obama's administration has the highest deportation record of all or almost all past presidents. Stop whining!

The Supreme Court is:

"Ginsberg: very liberal, consistently votes against the conservatives

Sotomayor: consistently votes with the progressive bloc

Kagan: has consistently voted with the liberal bloc since joining the bench, but still fairly unproven

Breyer: usually votes with the liberal bloc, but has proven centrist in the past

Kennedy: the swing vote; considered a conservative; sometimes votes with the liberal faction

Alito: consistently conservative

Roberts: consistently conservative

Scalia: extremely conservative

Thomas: extremely conservative "

Arizona Cops Can Check for Papers, Supreme Court Rules

ABC News

@Mickey

Do you really think that the illegals just dig up potatoes in a field? Illegals in Nevada are taking over in the construction business. I had 3 different service down in my home and 2 out of the 3 people who were sent out could not even speak English, had to call the business and request English speaking workers so I could communicate with them and tell them what needed to be done!!!!!!!

Parts of the AZ law struck down:

• One making it a crime for an illegal immigrant to work or to seek work in Arizona;
• One which authorized state and local officers to arrest people without a warrant if the officers have probable cause to believe a person is an illegal immigrant;
• And one that made it a state requirement for immigrants to register with the federal government.

The part upheld:

requires police officers stopping someone to make efforts to verify the person’s immigration status with the Federal Government.

So in effect the parts of the law that really didn't matter were struck down and the main part that Arizona wanted was upheld.

From my perspective the Obama Administration could have saved the country a lot of money if they would just enforce federal law as they were sworn to do. If you don't like a law then lobby to get it changed. I don't like some laws. Should I be able to ignore them because I don't like them? I just reread the start of my post where I reference Obama saving the country money. What was I thinking?

Haha dgjb. Two of nine judges were nominated (AND confirmed by Congress). Two of nine. Kagan recused herself.

That leaves one justice nominated by Obama on the court that was involved in this decision. Get a clue. And a grip. Health Care in next

It still does not give Joe Arpaio license to arrest legal citizens during his so-called "crime sweeps".

Gotta love those "activist judges" right, righties?!?!? LOL

The law actually forces the residents of Arizona to foot the bill for their policy this is good for the states who dont agree. You want it you pay for it. Can you aford it?After all your only industry is exporting guns to drug cartels and importing illegal drugs

I guess I am confused.........!!!!!!!

• One making it a crime for an illegal immigrant to work or to seek work in Arizona;
• And one that made it a state requirement for immigrants to register with the federal government.

Are these two things NOT already "illegal?" The term illegal is by definition means against the or outside of the current law. Do we all not have to be "registered" with BOTH the federal and state governments? It is called a Social Security Number (at birth) and a driver's license once you are of age.

Don't get me wrong, I am for some type of immigration reform, because we most certainly are not deproting 12 million people. BUT there is a BIG difference between imigration and coming into the country illegally.

Just happened to drive by the Democratic Headquarters here in my hometown yesterday. Now why would they have a sign in Spanish on their fron window? Can illegal imigrants vote???????

sharriannie,

"I had 3 different service down in my home and 2 out of the 3 people who were sent out could not even speak English"

Does the inability to speak English mean a person is here illegally? How do you know he is not a legal immigrant who just has not yet learned English?

So much for Brewer's big plans for her for-profit-prison investments. I guess if they can't jail people looking for work and bill the government she'll have to have a fall back plan. Maybe Florida's governor Rick Scott will let her in on his "drug-test-all-welfare-recipients-at-the-testing-centers-I-own" scheme. These Flea Party candidates are all just looking for a way to personally profit from fleecing the taxpayer.

GREEDY employers taking advantage of the cheap labor provided by illegals, and they can pick and chose at will every day if one guy doesn't work out, can't do that to American workers! They would complain. It should be ILLEGAL to hire anyone ILLEGALLY here in America!! DUH!

TXHorseman,

They were already illegal. That's why they got stuck down. It's federal jurisdiction, not state. The state was either full of idiots, or politicians wanting to score points, or both.

Looks like stage 1 for race and class war has been played well by this administration.... keep drinking the kool-aid libbies keep drinking!

What a crock of BULLSH*T....let's just open the borders......or better yet....lets just make Mexico a fricken state!!! Just another nail in the coffin of America!!!

Are you going to start the revolution?

Mexico is already part of AMERICA. Just as Canada, Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Panama, El Salvador, Honduras and the United States.

Oh, and in case you missed it, Immigration is in a net decline. It seems that Mexican have a better chance of getting ahead in Mexico than is the US. Isn't that rather telling...?

@ Mickey-1983943

I think, in regards to your "conservatives say 'get a job'" remark, that the primary issue most conservatives have with non-workers is the 100% dependence on government aid programs for which they pay nothing into, and those that do work and pay taxes are supporting. There by, illegals that work, don't pay taxes because they are in this country and working illegally. So once again they become a burden on the U.S. as a whole.

We can't make the world a better place by making the U.S. a terrible/bankrupt one. Just sayin!

So Obama now pulls back on Immigration security... What does this say about his motives? Its all about getting another vote. Not about you and me. Not about the American citizen. Not about those following American law. Obama is absolutely disgusting...

It should be noted that S.B. 1070 began with 14 sections. After all the challenges at several court levels, 11 of those sections are still standing –

The Court ruling will result in a lot more illegal aliens being brought to the attention of the feds.

Wow....bunch of red sheep cry babys on here today. Any "Native" Americans on here??

Just checking :)

If you were up to speed on this topic you'd know there ALREADY IS a huge fine for any employer who hires an illegal alien.

But no punishment for the law-breaking illegal alien, and they are free to go down the street and take another (illegal) job somewhere else.

When a business is raided, the illegal aliens are let go free. Only the employer is fined under Obama.

We NEED both to be punished.

You think he has fined the MA Liquor Store that employs his illegal alien uncle? - NOT - Uncle Onyango the old drunk is still working and even though he was ordered out of the country 20 years ago he is still here

Good news for who, a bunch of law breakers? Ethnic strife here we come!

Pfft. This allows for the most controversial aspect of the law to continue. The rest is immaterial.

Megomatic: Yeah... tell that to my relatives who have been waiting years to get into this country. Shall I be the one to break the news to them, that are laws are full of Sh%%^&?

Or would it just be better for them just to come and take your job?

U.S. Supreme Court upholding key provision of Arizona's immigration enforcement law, SB 1070.

UPHOLDING: E-Verify. Police can question anyone they think might be an illegal aliens for "papers".

Look- the decision does a few things:

1. Allows AZ to check immigration status as they desired (+1 for state's rights)

2. Struck one making it a crime for an illegal immigrant to work or to seek work in Arizona (-1 for state's rights, -1 immigration laws as you no longer need a worker's visa)

3. Struck one which authorized state and local officers to arrest people without a warrant if the officers have probable cause to believe a person is an illegal immigrant (tough call: +1 civil rights, -1 if they can't hold you while checking status)

3. Struck one that made it a state requirement for immigrants to register with the federal government. (-1 immigration laws. If you don't need to be on the record as an immigrant- IE visa, then how can they control who's here, for how long, and what grounds they have to throw you out if needed).

So yay for state's rights, but not so shure what's going on with immigration law.

Don't let the MSNDC attempt at spin fool you, it actually is good news for America because they upheld the key part of the law that Obama objected to, the part that would result in the most arrests and deportations:

"Supreme Court upholds key part of Arizona immigration law"

"The Supreme Court rebuffed the Obama administration's lawsuit and upheld a key part of Arizona's tough anti-illegal immigration law on Monday that allows police officers to ask about immigration status during stops. That part of the law, which never went into effect because of court challenges, will now immediately be enforced in Arizona."

" Justices repeatedly criticized the government's argument against immigration checks. Even Sonia Sotomayor, part of the court's liberal wing, said she was "terribly confused" by the government's argument against the checks."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/supreme-court-upholds-key-part-arizona-immigration-law-141927514.html

Even Obama's lacky Sotomayor didn't support throwing Americans that far under the bus.

What a shame. America has gone from a "Rule of Law" country to a "Rule of No Law" country. All those jumping for joy have just witnesses another nail in the coffin of the U.S.A. What a mindless bunch of people that cheer such a political pandering by the Supreme Court. We will see how happy you are when you are living under Sharia Law, especially women after all your rights have been stripped.

@Two faced Tea Bagger

Kind of like how Wisconsin Democrats just wasted millions on a recall election?

Yea, I know I was confused, when all the lefties started an enzone dance...the court upheld the "effective" portions of the Law...Police are "required" to check status...If status is questionable...and notify and verify "Feds"...(no more Sanctuary Cities)...Federal Law already requires Employement check of status, and makes it a crime to hire "illegal immigrants"...and arrests "with-out warrant" of someone because they might be illegal...that was a pipe dream and dead in the water....all AZ needs for a complete victory, is to have an Executive and Administration, that will follow and enforse existing Federal Law...

Fritze79-While you are enjoying only paying $1.50 for a head of lettuce due to the thousands of illgals working in the produce fields, the states where this is happening are going belly up into bankruptcy due to the large populations of illagals receiving free housing, schooling, health care, food stamps, etc.

Enjoy it while you can!

We are in a war where the present President and his cohorts have sided with the enemy against the legal resident of this country!

Talking without facts again, Steve? How many undocumented residents are receiving free housing, schooling, health care, food stamps, etc?

How much money are each of the states spending on these things?

How much tax is being withheld from the paychecks of these workers?

If you can't answer those questions you can't claim to actually have made a valid point.

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Don't let the MSNDC attempt at spin fool you, it actually is good news for America because they upheld the key part of the law that Obama objected to, the part that would result in the most arrests and deportations:

"Supreme Court upholds key part of Arizona immigration law"

"The Supreme Court rebuffed the Obama administration's lawsuit and upheld a key part of Arizona's tough anti-illegal immigration law on Monday that allows police officers to ask about immigration status during stops. That part of the law, which never went into effect because of court challenges, will now immediately be enforced in Arizona."

" Justices repeatedly criticized the government's argument against immigration checks. Even Sonia Sotomayor, part of the court's liberal wing, said she was "terribly confused" by the government's argument against the checks."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/supreme-court-upholds-key-part-arizona-immigration-law-141927514.html

Even Obama's lacky Sotomayor didn't support throwing Americans that far under the bus.

Look- the decision does a few things:

1. Allows AZ to check immigration status as they desired (+1 for state's rights)

2. Struck one making it a crime for an illegal immigrant to work or to seek work in Arizona (-1 for state's rights, -1 immigration laws as you no longer need a worker's visa)

3. Struck one which authorized state and local officers to arrest people without a warrant if the officers have probable cause to believe a person is an illegal immigrant (tough call: +1 civil rights, -1 if they can't hold you while checking status)

3. Struck one that made it a state requirement for immigrants to register with the federal government. (-1 immigration laws. If you don't need to be on the record as an immigrant- IE visa, then how can they control who's here, for how long, and what grounds they have to throw you out if needed).

So yay for state's rights, but not so shure what's going on with immigration law.

Arizona Cops Can Check for Papers, Supreme Court Rules

ABC News

That part will be litigated again. Since the justice dept. blocked the law, that provision did not see much application. As soon as the police start trying to apply it in AZ we will see a slew of Civil cases that this is being applied as racial profiling. This is by far not the last word on the Papers Please portion of the law, and because the other provisions have been struck, if police can not quickly determine someone is here illegally they will have to let them go on their way.

What you will have is more crimes being committed against illegals in the country because they are unable to contact the police who have tried to avoid looking into immigrant status to gain cooperation with illegals in solving crimes. Sorry, but that's the reality. They are here, and they will just be driven deeper into hiding.

But they did strike down a state requirement for immigrants to register with the federal government.

Well I hope Arizona makes the most of it while they can. Joe will be excited. I hope all those illegal invaders feel intense anxiety.

I would like to suggest that they cure that by leaving the USA.

I am a conservative but I am okay with this ruling. The provision that was upheld says the state can require police officers to verify the immigration status of people they stop/arrest. This, to me, is the "heart" of the bill. So while many parts were discarded, at the core the SCOTUS did find that the state CAN require police to follow up on the immigration status of criminals. This is common sense and I am glad it survived.

I guess I am confused.........!!!!!!!

• One making it a crime for an illegal immigrant to work or to seek work in Arizona;
• And one that made it a state requirement for immigrants to register with the federal government.

Are these two things NOT already "illegal?" The term illegal is by definition means against the or outside of the current law. Do we all not have to be "registered" with BOTH the federal and state governments? It is called a Social Security Number (at birth) and a driver's license once you are of age.

Don't get me wrong, I am for some type of immigration reform, because we most certainly are not deproting 12 million people. BUT there is a BIG difference between imigration and coming into the country illegally.

Just happened to drive by the Democratic Headquarters here in my hometown yesterday. Now why would they have a sign in Spanish on their fron window? Can illegal imigrants vote???????

TXHorseman,

• You are exactly correct in being confused by MSNBC spin machine. The court actually ruled that these are the responsibility of the Federal Government and not the State's Right.
• So what it means is the Feds still have to follow the laws, which include green cards, visas, etc. Of course Democrats have no problem if their government picks and chooses which laws they will NOT enforce.

I get the search warrant portion, but if you are here illegally, why do you have rights, that a U.S. citizen does? Sure, we will feed you, provide shelter for you, at our expense send you back where you came from, and treat you like a human being.....but is there no end to the line in the sand?

What difference will it make as the Federal government is not deporting illegal immigratns. They want them here, they want them dependent on the government, they want them to vote. If they wanted reforme they could have had it when the whole government was held by Democrats.

I guess they need a sign for products of the Texass education system too you non speelling fool.

Section 3 of S. B. 1070 creates a new state misde- meanor. It forbids the "willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document . . . in violation of 8 United States Code section 1304(e) or 1306(a)." Ariz. Rev. Stat. Ann. §11–1509(A) (West Supp. 2011). In effect, §3 adds a state-law penalty for conduct proscribed by federal law. The United States contends that this state enforcement mechanism intrudes on the field of alien registration, a field in which Congress has left no room for States to

Cite as: 567 U. S. ___— (2012) 9

Opinion of the Court

regulate. See Brief for United States 27, 31.

See people, the "show me your papers" part was stricken down. You should stop just believing what everyone tells you and actually start reading the decision.

BO and his lackey's just made racial tension worse!!!!!

ROMNEY 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the oral argument before the high court on April 25 Solicitor General Donald Verrilli said Arizona did not have the power to exclude or remove a person who is in the state illegally.

This is the beginning of socialism. Get on Google and study Hugo Chavez's rise to power. Obama's DOJ is having a heck of a month. Marginalizing the death of an American border guard. Trampling on state rights.

Obama will win his 2nd term and then all of you will witness the second president to claim war time privilege and go for his 3rd term. "Change" takes time.

All the federal government has to do is start screening the Social Security Administration's records and start investigating the "duplicate" usage of socials. Its a great starting point.

I work in insurance, and on a recent investigation I had to run a report, part of which looks in to claims filed under social security numbers, and it came back with 119 people using one social.

The incredibly sad part?

The social has not even issued yet and is held for issuance in South Carolina. So by the time the "lucky" child is born, can you imagine the potential credit/SSN nightmare this unborn child has to potentially face?

i think thay should stop it all togetter for about 10 years are job are going down there so y do thay come here

It's kind of a weird ruling. Is SCOTUS saying that AZ can check immigration status, but can't do anything about it anyway?

@JoeNY, to be fair, the parts of the law that were struck down, are already covered by Federal Laws.

For the remaining points:

If an illegal is in the country looking for work, Federal law already requires reporting them to immigration officials. It is their responsibility to arrest and deport illegals.

The requirement for police to have Probably Cause is a fundamental right in this country. The police do not have the right to harass and detain based solely on the color of your skin.

As for the requirement for immigrants to register (the ones in this country legally), the state law was redundant, since legal immigrants are ALREADY registered with the federal government. This part of the law was, in reality, an attempt by state legislators to create an excuse to round up all non-Caucasians in the state.

Chuck,

Oh yes that IS the most important thing as NO ONE ever mis-spells on the vine. Problem is, I can spell just fine, my typing however, does not always follow quite as precisely!! What does that have to do with a sign in spanish on the front of the Democratic headquarters?? Texass??? What a dick!!

BTW I just finished renewing my driver's license as it is illegal for ME as a citizen of the United States not to have one.

Chuck I am a Texan. I am a resident of the border area. I am white fair blond and green eyed. I was surrounded by the border patrol for riding a bicycle in downtown Brownsville. So Stephen is it OK for the federal government to pull over caucasians for riding bicycles near the border? Just wondering how you feel about that. Unfortunatly the laws are only enforced when the federal government feels like enforcing them. Now you are welcome to send your kids to our schools which are flooded with the children of illegal aliens and pay the taxes for it. All of you keep judging Texas schools but you are not dealing with the problems lack of federal enforcement of their own laws has created. You cannot by federal law ask if the child is legal when they apply for school only if they reside in the district. Any utility bill will do. All of our schools have bilingual education because so many of the children coming in don't speaqk English So you have from Pre K to third grade at least classes in English and bi-lingual classes. Two seperate teaching skills needed two seperate classrooms needed. Bilingual is restricted only to those who do not speak English so you can't use that class to balance class sizes for the other kids.

It is interesting how they struck down the crime to seek work portion. Calling it a crime would be going too far. If they are illegal, they are simply illegitimately employed and deportation is punishment enough. It should be employers who are committing a crime by KNOWINGLY hiring an illegal.

Mitt Romney wants to crack down. We NEED a Republican President, and we will get one! Oh yes, we will!

With national E-Verify no employer will hire an illegal alien. There will be no where to run and hide.

I can't believe people actually think the way some of you on here do. How are the states spending money on illegal immigrants; other then enforcing immigration and deporting them of course? We aren't giving them free medical care, we aren't giving them food or welfare, we aren't giving them a rats ass of anything.
What are they costing you? Jobs you wouldn't want or won't do, that luxurious condo in downtown you always wanted, or are they stealing all the white women from us American folk?
I don't see where the anger lies, I really don't. What is this unfounded fear you have? Are you afraid they're going to warp our culture into Mexico? That we'll all be speaking Spanish soon? Take a good hard look at what you're so afraid of. They aren't getting any handouts, and they risk their lives coming here- they haven't taken a goddamn thing from you.
If you'd prefer though we can all descended into a Nazi Germany idea of supremacy and the one true Aryan race; please, may I see your papers?

On another note, why don't you all give a @!$%# about having to carry an I.D. constantly- Seems very Orwellian to me.

The county sheriff doesnt drive illegals to the border. Municipal or state government detains the illegal until ICE can take the prisoner into their custody.

Its funny how MSN can claim this ruling as a victory for Obama. If anything, the Supreme court reiterated what the federal court should really be doing.

Maybe they will get around to that after they try athletes for doping, count their bribes from BP, and work really really hard to allow gay marriage.

Sick Hillary on'em!

TXHorseman - Just a reminder that this country does not have a national language (which I do not agree with). Rather we have two languages that a high percentage of citizens read and/or speak: English and Spanish. So, it is not unusual to have a sign in Spanish advertising a Democratic candidate (or whatever it was doing) as I know some US Citizens who speak and read English well enough but their first language is Spanish.

Apparently these judges are in Obamas payroll. How stupid can you be??? I just dont understand how letting illegal immigrants stay, so we - the legal residents- have to pay for their well being. HOw is this a GOOD THING for the United States. I feel like I should go to Mexico, become a citizen, and then sneak back in to the US! That way, I can come back, get a job and not pay for my health insurance anymore! Whats the POSITIVE SIDE about being a CITIZEN in the US? NOTHING. Dont even need to be a citizen to be the President.......

That part will be litigated again.

I love that the Supreme Court rulings that favor the libs are always 'Settled Law' but those that don't are open to be relitigated and reinterpretation.

The libs seen to be having a Field day on SB1070. However the court struck down 3 provisions because state law can not supersede Federal law. There are already Federal laws that cover these provisions. They refused to rule on the biggest and key provision of the law.

The provision on mandatory checks during routine stops will now kick back to a lower court for review, and could still be subject to challenge. The rest of the ruling, though, definitively strikes down three other provisions in the Arizona law.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/25/supreme-court-strikes-down-most-arizona-immigration-law-upholds-key-provision/#ixzz1yovQpJFR

Wlliam,

We aren't giving them free medical care, we aren't giving them food or welfare, we aren't giving them a rats ass of anything.

Oh but we are!! All of the above, but I would agree that they are not the only ones!! I will give you that much.

JustRight, I know what you are saying, but don't buy it as a legitimate answer! You and I both know why that sign is there!!

Andrew Havens Thank you. I see people citing Fox News, but not the part of the ruling which made not carrying papers a primary, arrest able offense. Here is is again!

Section 3 of S. B. 1070 creates a new state misde- meanor. It forbids the “willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document . . . in violation of 8 United States Code section 1304(e) or 1306(a).” Ariz. Rev. Stat. Ann. §11–1509(A) (West Supp. 2011). In effect, §3 adds a state-law penalty for conduct proscribed by federal law.

Not only did it preempt federal law - it was racist as all hell!!

Not being a citizen makes you ineligible for welfare, or food stamps. They will get treated in a ER for emergencies without health insurance, like every other citizen or person of the untied states. It's a common myth that they somehow receive all of this.

Lola007, you don't pay for their wellbeing. If you do please explain to me how. Also Mexicans make up the largest demographic of people who are here legally, 40% of illegal immigrants are those who over stay tourist visas, not border hop. So Lola007, I would recommend staying here and actually finding a job as a citizen.

Anyway Lol, if you have proof we're somehow paying for them to live here, please feel free to show me.

I'm not sure who read the actual ruling but it says very blantantly that being in the country without documentation in not illegal and therefore it doesn't matter if they ask about status upon stopping them. They CAN"T ARREST THEM AT THAT TIME ANYWAY!

pjam09 ""Supreme Court upholds key part of Arizona immigration law".."The Supreme Court rebuffed the Obama administration's lawsuit and upheld a key part of Arizona's tough anti-illegal immigration law on Monday that allows police officers to ask about immigration status during stops. That part of the law, which never went into effect because of court challenges, will now immediately be enforced in Arizona." "

So it's a mixed bag. A police officer still must ask about the immigration status of suspected illegal immigrants, but cannot arrest them.

So what if the suspect says they ARE an illegal immigrant - what then? By the way - If the police pull over a driver who does not have a license (legal status required), then they CAN be arrested for that.

And it's legal for illegal immigrants to seek work, but it's not legal for anyone to hire them.

This ruling is 'clear as mud', and perhaps raises more questions than it answers.

William Bentley: When economy is down, suddenly it becomes and us vs them mentality. All of a sudden there is more racism - against latinos, against blacks, against whites, against asians. Each group says the others are taking THEIR jobs away. When the economy is good, they don't mind the illegals picking their veggies and fruit as long as they don't have to deal with them face to face. Add in the ramped up violence with the drug trade, and you have people going bonkers about illegals. Yes, there are some who were always against illegals, but there weren't many who were vocal about it. This recession went to a further depressed economy than anything else except the Great Depression.

lonereb, I think all of your complaining should be addressed to your states rights governor.

TXHorseman, It is not illegal for a citizen of the US to "Not Have a Drivers License". It is illegal for you to operate a motor vehicle without one.

Please be sure to know what you are talking about before raising an issue.

The Illegals situation is by far not over. We have a problem as Americans. Our Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) is severly underfunded for the mission they are responsible for. Instead, we have politicians who have swindled money for their pet (DHS) and (TSA) both of which are Bush Jr's propaganda engines to Manage the Masses. The intrinsic goals of these two are not achievable in a country where freedom and democracy are the foundations. In the case for USA vs Illegals, it is not about their contributions to our economics, it is much more about what happens when they are not contributing anymore. Face it - there are leaches on both sides of this. The rich who could give not a single thought to how much they take and how little they actually give and the ones on the bottom with the same philosophy. This is much less an issue of race and more an issue of "LAZZINESS". If you want the drain to stop sucking it out of you - then you need to get agressive with your politicians and put the pressure where it needs to be. The more people who respond in writing to the elected officials - the greater your chances for getting changes in place that actually mean something. Capitalism is structured as, the "most efficient" will be the "most successful". Remove the outsourcing to other countries for the "Lower wage costs" and your products become more expensive and have less value.

The whole point that I am making is - it really does not matter if they are illegal or not - our leadership and businesses in this country are only focused on the bottom line and while they can hire "LOW WAGE" they will do it - with anyone they can - internal illegals or overseas - either way - you don't have a job at a decent wage to live on. There should be laws to prevent this - there are in fact some laws - but the loop holes that are in our legal system allow enough flexibility to result in a permanent employment black hole that will eventually collapse our economy and make us no better than a third world country. There are no other countries world wide that allow such rediculous employment considerations as we do with our businesses who will farm out 100's of thousands of positions to their favorite low wage source in foreign countries. Many of these decisions are because of the "relations" that exist between the business and the countries where some of their decision makers came from. If you want proof of this - just take a look at the statistics - where a company has a high number of Indian's working for them - they hire in India for their labor force - often in mass and amoung relatives. The same practice is applied for many of the other countries - in some way - there is a cultural connection for why they choose the countries they have outsourced to.

For those of you who are dumb enough to believe that "BUY AMERICAN" means you are actually getting an American Made product - get your books out and take a look at what we produce. The majority of our raw materials no longer come from "INTERNAL" sources. The refined products are imported from foreign sources and maybe assembled here - but they were originally "MADE" in a foreign country. The only real products made in America are our food supplies (most of them anyways) and lumber. Both of which are experiencing ever tightening regulation so that the sources are being pulled from foreign soil.

Read the decision. What they said is that as written, with its limitations, that part is not inherently unconstitutional, but it also says that it is all a matter of just how it is implemented, leaving the door open for further challenges.

They did not uphold "Papers, Please". Within the decision, multiple times it makes it perfect clear that immigration is none of the State's business. It makes it crystal clear that the Federal government is the sole authority in deciding what to do about it. It makes it clear that being an illegal immigrant is not a criminal matter, but a civil one under the authority of the Federal government. It makes it clear that States may not interfere, supersede or in any way attempt to pre-empt Federal authority in the matter.

This "upholding" of this provision is essentially a pass on ruling. The law although specific about not profiling and having "just cause", is still vague about how it could be interpreted and implemented. The Court essentially warned that there is not room for broad interpretation and made it clear that there was plenty of room for individual challenges based on how it was implemented. If you read it carefully and in total, basically what it says is that the language of the law isn't unconstitutional in itself, but pretty much warns that in the course of implementing it, it most likely will be. If for example, someone is arrested on a criminal felony, they can and should contact the Federal government about immigration status if there is reasonable suspicion that they may be illegal. Of course that reasonable suspicion can not simply be that they look Mexican. But likewise, if someone is detained on some minor infraction and they are kept in detention for a check with ICE, they may very well be over reaching their authority. Additionally, someone may not be stopped, detained or arrested simply on the suspicion that they might be illegal. Bottom line is that as written, the law was worded carefully to avoid crossing the line. However, to implement the law without crossing the line will be extremely difficult.

I will also note that it doesn't give the State the authority to decide what to do with someone found to be illegal, ICE can very simply say to release them on their own recognisance and the State can not challenge that authority.

Counter to what Governor Brewer stated in her press release, the ruling does not in any way shape or form support State's rights on the matter of immigration and in fact does just the opposite. It makes it 100% clear that the State has no authority in the matter other than what is specifically granted to them by Federal policy.

Take the time to read the ruling.

Willing.Sniper said:

With national E-Verify no employer will hire an illegal alien. There will be no where to run and hide.

My coworker's mother passed eVerify at work--actually multiple times, for several different employers. Was deported as an 'illegal' in December anyway--because Immigration never told her adoptive parents in 1945 that citizenship was not automatic with adoption.

No system is entirely foolproof.

Arizona has another option. They are allowed to withdraw business licenses to do business in the state of Arizona if the business is found to be hiring illegals.

If they started just auditing and checking, and actually closing them down for a month--that would do it, or canceling the license and making business start all over from scratch, unable to operate until re-licensed.

It wouldn't take very many sacrificial businesses to go down before the rest of the employers wised up and made good on ensuring only valid citizens are working.

Presto: Project self-deport begin in earnest.

They are not here because they love the land, country, or people, they are here for money. No jobs, no money, no illegal invaders.

Scalia and Alito's dissents are livid. They are angry. LOL It makes for a good read. Highly recommended. Very fulfilling.

Sally Clark,

Um, guess what? Yes they did.

It appears that police officers will still be required to check on the immigration status of suspected illegal immigrants, but cannot arrest them on the spot. So what do they do if the suspect IS here illegally? I guess they will merely cite them, but what then?

Of course, Obama said that even if the suspect was arrested by Arizona as an illegal immigrant, the Federal government immigration officials would not deport them under its 'Prosecutorial Discretion' nonsense (unelected government officials deciding which laws to enforce and which to ignore).

Fed,

It is not illegal for a citizen of the US to "Not Have a Drivers License". It is illegal for you to operate a motor vehicle without one.

It is illegal for you NOT to have a valid form of ID, it is however rarely enforced. In most cases in this country that will be a drivers license. My brother is a cop.

The dolt in the article complaining about the 'gaping hole' left from the Obama administration obviously doesn't know jack. This administration had deported more illegals than Bush ever did...

William... who pays when an illegal runs into your car while they have have no insurance or properly registered car????

We all do by having to pay higher insurance rates... the list goes on and on for hidden costs....

Last Year the U.S. Supreme Court upheld Arizona's law manding e-verify and permitting Arizona to revoke licenses for businesses that violate our immigration laws!

42 people "like" this flatly incorrect statement? That about shows you the intelligence of some of these posters.

I am simply amazed at how many Right Wingers are trying to spin this as a victory and as being reported with a different spin by MSNBC...

Fine then, from your own pantheon of truth, Fox News...

"

The Supreme Court on Monday struck down much of the controversial Arizona immigration law, but upheld for now a key provision that required police officers to check the immigration status of those they suspect may be in the country illegally.

The provision on mandatory checks during routine stops will now kick back to a lower court for review, and could still be subject to challenge. The rest of the ruling, though, definitively strikes down three other provisions in the Arizona law."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/25/supreme-court-strikes-down-most-arizona-immigration-law-upholds-key-provision/#ixzz1yp5Nucss

Quit putting your own spin on it peeps - 3/4 was struck down, with the remaining 1/4 - not, btw, the "check your papers" provision, but the check a suspected illegal's status during a routine stop provision - to be further reviewed by a lower court.

If you want to try to make a defensible argument against the left - which on the average is better educated than the right btw so you are starting from behind already - you'll have to start with logic and stop the regurgitation!

@Back East

Your insurance rates are high because you drive like an idiot. I haven't had a ticket in 6 years and I have two new cars on full coverage for less than a hundred dollars a month with GEICO.

And I live in California where "all these illegals run into people and cause insurance rates to go up".

Get real.

I suspect whoever pays when a white guy without drivers license and a properly registered car runs into you. In my NE town, our little newspaper never has a police report with lesst han two or three drivers with suspended licenses, no car registration and no insurance, who have been pulled over driving on the highways and in town. What I always find specious about such questions is that few of us Americans ever encountered any of these immigrants except when they are working hard for low wages at jobs Americans have refused to do for years.

Chuck:

When you go after someone's 'speelling' make sure your own 'speelling' is correct. ;)

William:

Where do you live? I live in Houston, and know full well how they affect us. Most of these illegal immigrants are using someone else's social security number to seem legitimate to the employers. The employers can't question it if the social security number comes valid. I hope that none of them are using yours! Now, if they don't have a social security number they STOLE, they will find employers willing to pay them "under the table", giving them cash. This is what people are talking about how they don't pay taxes. You can find them around 6 am, waiting at gas stations, asking people if they need work done for cash, usually in the construction business. While the businesses may not be able to put this in their own taxes for the business, it is beneficial to the business still, because they are paying them considerably less than they would an American citizen, and that's exactly why the companies do this. The illegal immigrant knows that this is a risk for the company, so they don't demand higher pay.

Welfare-

Using stolen SS# or having kids that were born here, and those kids are having kids to get welfare to help support the whole family. It's amazing how many mexican girls with illegal parents are popping out MULTIPLE children, and are on welfare. It is a scam. I've seen it when I was in high school. This isn't isolated to illegal immigrants, either. Citizens can pop out babies to receive welfare, too, but from what I have personally seen, it's mostly the mexican girls who do and ADMIT to this. Welfare needs some serious reform.

Supreme Court rulings leave plenty of room for aggressive state attrition-through-enforcement efforts

Under today's and last year's Supreme Court rulings on Arizona laws, all states have room to aggressively pursue attrition-through-enforcement measures even if the President of the United States chooses to ignore or violate congressionally passed immigration laws.

STATES CAN CRACK DOWN. Oh yes.

I find the title to this article very misleading. The part of the law that was upheld is the key part and the parts that were struck down were minor. I guess MSNBC wants to make it sound like Obama got what he wanted with this ruling which he didn't.

Russell Pearce was TOSSED OUT OF OFFICE over this KRIS KOBACH written bill which was written in MISSOURI for AZ.

Now the SCOTUS has slapped it down further leaving this bill with half a leg to stand on .

Ignorance may be rampant in Missouri & Arizona but the SCOTUS is at least paying lip service to COMMON SENSE.... now if they would have just given Jan Brewer the same treatment we might have to reason to expect more sanity from the court instead of the clown car decisions we have been seeing of late .

Obama promise again to Latinos Citizens, residents and illegals , he will fight for a new amnesty , Immigration Reform, but he need their votes first. Obama did not push for immigration reform when he had the majority, and he won't do it if he is reelected, However, even if Obama wins the WH, Congress will go back to Republicans , who will push for a different immigration reform than Obama, who want open borders , relaxed immigration enforcement , and amnesty to all. This is US, not an extension of the Mexican territory like many Democrats intentionally ignore.

TXhorseman, yea on top of all that, California Bar is going to grant a license to an illigal to practice law. Aint that a bit--!

Making it a requirement to register is actually already a federal law and has been for over 70 years. SO for the Supreme Court to say that was unconstitutional is a blatant error on their part as it is already in the constitution.

The only thing that the portion which was intact will do is allow a narrow margin of cops to check and detain. It is not giving them the power to charge you with anything. ICE will still be contacted. ICE will still just let them go.

Had the Supreme court allowed the other 2 provisions too, then AZ would have been able to charge illegals with a crime, meaning they get to hang on and prosecute them. The justices were very careful not to empower AZ to do so.

What they are still trying to prevent are states enforcing these federal laws at their own discretion. The bottom line is still the fact that if the Feds would do their jobs, no one else would feel the need to try and do it for them!

IMHO it should also be seen as unconstitutional for an administration to enforce constitutional laws at it's discretion. But since Obama's policy is not a law there is no court that can rule on it. Therein lies the biggest gap of all in checks and balances...

I don't see why the part they upheld is a big deal anyways. It's no different than when I police officer stops you for a ticket he checks to see if you have a driver's license. The upheld part is consistent with what police are allowed to do daily across the entire country. He still has to have a reason to stop you.

What difference will it make as the Federal government is not deporting illegal immigratns. They want them here, they want them dependent on the government, they want them to vote. If they wanted reforme they could have had it when the whole government was held by Democrats.

Chefjenna, I hope it's sunny in your little fact-free world. The Obama administration has deported more illegal immigrants than any other president in the same time period, ever. Most of those deported have been criminals, using a program implemented by Obama's ICE agency to have law enforcement officials check immigration status when fingerprinting people in jails.

The Obama administration supports letting illegal immigrants stay in this country if they obey our laws and are working or getting an education. And in case you hadn't noticed, that's why people are (literally) dying to get into this country.

So that's the Democrats' policy.

What's yours?

averon1,

I find you very misleading. Section 3 was the key part and that was ruled unconstitutional. It would have made it a crime in AZ to not carry your papers. It was a "primary offense", meaning police could detain people who they suspected of not carrying their ID. The media is really dropping the ball on this one. They only thing upheld was the state authority's ability to check the status of someone who they already have detained on another, separate, offense. Then if they do find the person they have detained for something else is also here illegally, they can notify the federal authorities about it. That's it. Brewer lost huge on this, but she's so slimy that she's pretending the one thing she got was what people were concerned about. This is false. It was Section 3 the whole time.

You guys are so funny. This isn't the begining of socialism. Please stop using our language incorrectly. Under Obama, more illegal aliens have been sent home, than under the GW Bush administration. More medical marijuana houses have been charged with breaking the law, by federal agents. Bin Laden was killed by our Navy SEALS. The reason for sending them in, rather than just hitting him with a cruise missile, or smart bomb, was so that we could be sure he got hit. Our little prison on our base in Cuba, not only wasn't shut down, it was upgraded. Looking at it from a middle of the road point of view, he has done very little to turn our nation into a socialist nation. As for the universal healthcare thing, requiring people without policies to purchase one, I have a simple solution. If you don't have some kind of policy, they don't pick you up, and haul your butt to the hospital. Seriously, I've seen many healthy young people have accidents that required a long hospital stay. If they can't pay for it, they bill people who do have insurance more money. Why do you think their services are as high as they are. But, as for Obama's amnesty program, it only applies to people who are over here, because their parents snuck them in here, when the kids had no choice in the matter. This doesn't grant them citizenship. If you want to see what a real amnesty program looks like, look up the one that went through when Ronald Reagan was President. And please don't forget that this ruling was imposed by a conservative Supreme Court, with one of the liberal justices recusing herself. Besides, you got the most logical part through. If the police stop a driver for a traffic violation, he can ask to see the drivers ID. So, Obama isn't as liberal as you pretend he is, and our conservative Supreme Court handed down this ruling, without one of their few liberal justices, because she took herself out because of a conflicting interest. You guys actully won. Congradulations.

Well said Ron, but please don't hold your breath waiting for a cogent response...

"Obama announced a new administration policy of not deporting illegal immigrants".

Plus he is going to allow them to get jobs? Who is he for, legal un-employed citizens or illegal aliens?

What the hey, you didn't really want a job anyway, right? You voted for him didn't you?

Mike Brutus - Thank you!

The only part of this law that would make any difference is making it illegal to work. But this still does not crack down on the employer, so who cares.

It is already illegal to enter/stay without proper documents, and already illegal to use fraudulent documents. Deportation is meaningless because these folks come right back to work. The "papers please" part just creates fear and caution, or moving to other areas that are more lenient.

Beyond the flood across the border, is the problem of the 14th amendment that still allows for "anchor babies." This would be difficult if not impossible to change.

But a reliable eVerify mandate would at least be a start in removing the attraction for illegal immigration. The day Teapublicans legislate against businesses (employers) is the day pigs will fly.

Ultimately all sides are claiming victory--what a surprise. And once again Romney's judgement is wrong. This model is not one of "self-deportation."

Stealing social security numbers is illegal, no one wishing not to be deported would use one. You can also use individual tax payer numbers and other means to find work.

William... who pays when an illegal runs into your car while they have no insurance or properly registered car????

We all do by having to pay higher insurance rates... the list goes on and on for hidden costs....

And this is a logically faulted argument. So when a citizen runs into your car without insurance it doesn't lead to higher insurance rates?

the supreme court upheld checking papers if the person was pulled over FOR CAUSE, it does NOT allow the police to just randomly pull someone over just because "he looks illegal". if an illegal can't keep his nose clean and causes trouble, then he should go anyways, if he can keep his nose clean, then only immigration can deport him(her)

Willing.Sniper "With national E-Verify no employer will hire an illegal alien. There will be no where to run and hide."

That's the one thing that will largely solve this illegal immigration problem. If we make really stiff penalties for hiring illegal immigrants, no employer will risk it, and without jobs, the illegal immigrants will self-deport - essentially accomplishing what we need - at minimal cost.

I wish the Obama Administration would just enforce the laws, and then we would not have these problems of illegal workers competing with legal residents for the few jobs available.

I wonder and others:

OBAMA is not 'in charge' of the supreme court... THEY made this decision, the PRESIDENT did NOT!!!!!! Dumb @$$ Fox watchers

Further Jess

Also in no shape or form is welfare granted to people who steal social security numbers, and some mothers do get assistance if they have children here- Which makes their child an American citizen.

There are no male illegal immigrants on welfare, some woman do receive it do mostly to a child that is an American citizen, but it isn't any easier for them to get it then it is for an American citizen. In fact it is much more difficult.

Just so we're clear, I also live in San Diego, CA if that really matters to you; although I was born and raised in Kentucky. I'm not sure if this really limits my thoughts on the matter in your eyes.

William-

Yes it's illegal...the same as being here without legal documentation. If they're already breaking the one law, why not the other? Again- where do you live? If it's not a border state, you most likely don't have the chance to see just how many people do this.

"No one wishing not to be deported would use one"- say that to the maid my company just had to fire because it came back that her social security number was invalid...or all the kids in school I knew whose parents are illegal, but yet they held jobs at places like Wal-mart, who I know aren't hiring people without ss#. They want to come here to work, and if stealing a ss# is how they get work, they will do it.

Willing.Sniper "With national E-Verify no employer will hire an illegal alien. There will be no where to run and hide."

That's the one thing that will largely solve this illegal immigration problem. If we make really stiff penalties for hiring illegal immigrants, no employer will risk it, and without jobs, the illegal immigrants will self-deport - essentially accomplishing what we need - at minimal cost.

I wish the Obama Administration would just enforce the laws, and then we would not have these problems of illegal workers competing with legal residents for the few jobs available.

What we need? You do realize that you would shrink our economy and further drain our social programs by "self-deporting" individuals who pay into social security, hold jobs you don't want, and bolster our workforce with people in the ideal working age groups.

Our economy depends on immigration, both illegal and legal, for growth.

Just like every other president, he swore an oath to defend the constitution and to enforce the laws of the land. No where is the president granted the right to pick and choose the laws that he will enforce.

When ones swears to an oath, then refuses to be bound by it, he has unilaterally cancelled his contract and should immediately relinquish his office or be evicted.

William-

Yes it's illegal...the same as being here without legal documentation. If they're already breaking the one law, why not the other? Again- where do you live? If it's not a border state, you most likely don't have the chance to see just how many people do this.

"No one wishing not to be deported would use one"- say that to the maid my company just had to fire because it came back that her social security number was invalid...or all the kids in school I knew whose parents are illegal, but yet they held jobs at places like Wal-mart, who I know aren't hiring people without ss#. They want to come here to work, and if stealing a ss# is how they get work, they will do it.

Jess, there are many other ways an illegal immigrant can work without a social security number, furthermore, they haven't done anything "criminal" by being here illegally. Also the kids that were in your school actually assisted your school in receiving more funding from the federally government. So you can thank all those illegal aliens for your outstanding education.

What are you so afriad of Jess?

I neglected to mention that the oath that a president swears is a condition required to hold that office.

That being the case, rightfully, obama has abandoned the office and upon taking the oath, joe biden is the president.

"having kids that were born here"

Which would make them US citizens. According to the Constitution.

IWonder, you have cancelled your contract with logic by posing an argument that begs the question, so why don't you have to relinquish your position or be evicted?

What we need? You do realize that you would shrink our economy and further drain our social programs by "self-deporting" individuals who pay into social security, hold jobs you don't want, and bolster our workforce with people in the ideal working age groups.

Our economy depends on immigration, both illegal and legal, for growth.

Our econoimy could do just fine without illegal immigrants for growth. There are plenty of people who are willing to immigrate to this country legally. Trouble is we are so backed up by the problems of illegals that no one else can get a foothold. Many legal immigrants who come to this country already speak English. That is a first step into cutting some of our programs to save money.

sobi said:

Arizona has another option. They are allowed to withdraw business licenses to do business in the state of Arizona if the business is found to be hiring illegals.

If they started just auditing and checking, and actually closing them down for a month--that would do it, or canceling the license and making business start all over from scratch, unable to operate until re-licensed.

My coworker's mother passed eVerify at work--actually multiple times, for several different employers. Was deported as an 'illegal' in December anyway--because Immigration never told her adoptive parents in 1945 that citizenship was not automatic with adoption.

Now, why should the employer be penalized for hiring her? She passed eVerify. She had no idea she was illegal. Her 90 year old parents didn't know she was illegal.

The government didn't even know she was illegal until they dug through a 60 year old box of papers and realized THEY made a mistake in not telling her parents they were supposed to file for citizenship for this orphan infant.

So the employer should pay, the infant who had no choice should pay, the 90 year old parents should pay, and my coworker should have to pay (by losing his mother) when it was the government's fault to begin with? They acknowledged that they made a mistake but refused to allow anyone to file paperwork to correct it.

I think a lot of people on here have lost their minds, or are just scared of something they don't understand.

@ William B...

Here's more proof that we spend our tax dollars on illegals..

Your turn would change if YOU had your kid killed by an illegal immigrant they had to foot the bill...

foxnews.com/us/2012/06/25/mom-slapped-with-bill-to-clean-street-after-son-killed-by-illegal-immigrant/?test=latestnews

Our econoimy could do just fine without illegal immigrants for growth. There are plenty of people who are willing to immigrate to this country legally. Trouble is we are so backed up by the problems of illegals that no one else can get a foothold. Many legal immigrants who come to this country already speak English. That is a first step into cutting some of our programs to save money.

This is just blatantly untrue. Why would you want to send all the works with ITIN who're stimulating our economy back to their home countries? Again, Mexicans are the highest demographic of people who immigrate here legally.

So by reducing our workforce you would save money? Do tell, I'm curious. You do realize that the US fertility rate is too low to support social security on its own? That these illegal immigrants pay into it, as well as all the other taxes one accrues from working?

@ William B...

Here's more proof that we spend our tax dollars on illegals..

Your turn would change if YOU had your kid killed by an illegal immigrant they had to foot the bill...

foxnews.com/us/2012/06/25/mom-slapped-with-bill-to-clean-street-after-son-killed-by-illegal-immigrant/?test=latestnews

Umm Blackeast, this would have been different if her son was killed by an 17 year old American without a D/L or insurance? You're equating apples to oranges.

So i just read this "breaking news": Obama administration officials announced Monday they are suspending a key program that allowed state and local law enforcement to enforce federal immigration law.

Officials also said Immigration and Customs Enforcement will be SELECTIVE in responding to the expected increase in calls from Arizona and other police agencies about immigration status of people they pull over.

This is bullcrap. This makes me mad how a president can abuse his power.

So even if the cops pull illegals over, the feds have orders from the president to not answer the call for an arrest.

I cannot believe this!

Roy Wilson:

"I wish the Obama Administration would just enforce the laws, and then we would not have these problems of illegal workers competing with legal residents for the few jobs available."

First: Check your facts on which party has actually been doing work to enforce the laws.

Second: You are delusional if you think folks like you are lining up to pick lettuce or clean hotel rooms etc etc etc. The only way that would ever happen is for the pay on those jobs to increase significantly... then guess what, the cost gets passed onto the consumer. You want to pay $5 for a head of lettuce?

It's not a Right vs Left issue, and it certainly isn't as simple as you would like to make it sound.



Wow Back East, thanks for that anecdotal evidence that proves nothing.

Don't confuse them with facts Bill - their heads will explode.

William-

In Texas, we have an Independent School System- meaning most the funding for the school comes from property school taxes...not the state.

I would like to know these many other ways illegal immigrants with no work visa, green card of anything of the sort are getting work. Please, let me know how they do this.

Here are some articles proving that illegals DO get welfare-

blog(dot)chron(dot)com/txpotomac/2011/04/study-70-of-texas-illegal-immigrant-families-receive-welfare/

immigrationreform(dot)com/2011/09/12/welfare-use-by-illegal-alien-families-rises-rapidly/

If you'd like more, let me know. They're quite easy to find on google.

Furthermore,

It IS actually a crime to be here illegally. Hence, the word ILLEGAL.

Another article:

americanpatrol(dot)com/REFERENCE/isacrime(dot)html

Also, I was just asking where you lived to see if you were in a border state, where you could see what's going on, and have illegal immigrants that you could personally talk to about their situation.

I believe we need serious reform for immigration. It is way too difficult for the ones who actually want to become citizens to do so. But to say that we don't pay for anything for illegal immigrants to be here is a blatant lie. Get some sources to back yourself up.

Jess, it's called an individual tax payer identification number. You can get one from the IRS and using it in lieu of a social security number is fine for working. Also you cannot be deported based on your usage of the ITIN vs. a social security number.

This allows illegal's to pay into social security and other forms of tax that they themselves will probably never see any return on.

It's not criminal to be here illegally though, therein the distinction.

I haven't read your articles yet but I will, also everything I've been saying can be found online as well. From the American civil lawyer association and other forms, but I will look to provide you some direct links.

So far as I am concerned, we can have open borders with mexico. I think that was the original intent of nafta but that should be a law, not an illegal presidential decree.

As for the part of Arizona's law that the SCOTUS upheld, well, it looks like BamBam is playing the "it's my ball so play the game my way or I go home" card...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/25/feds-suspend-immigration-enforcement-program-after-arizona-court-ruling/

I shudder to think what this arrogant SOB will do when the SCOTUS completely guts/heavily amends ObamaCare.

ROMNEY CAUGHT with HIRING ILLEGAL!

When Romney was caught hiring an Illegal alien to work on his landscaping, did he just fire them or did he call ICE and have him deported?....We all know the answer to that one don't we!

VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY; HE WILL ENFORCE CURRENT IMMIGRATION LAWS.

In the meantime call your congress critter! Tell them to pass this!

Legal Workforce Act (H.R.2885) that would require 100% of businesses to use E-Verify within two years. The bill also requires all federal, state, and local governments to E-Verify their entire workforce.

Chairman Smith's bill would:

Require federal and state contractors, critical infrastructure employers, and business that employ more than 10,000 workers to use E-Verify within 6 months.

Require federal, state, and local agencies to E-Verify their current workforce within 6 months.

Allow states to use its authority over business licensing to penalize business that don't use E-Verify.

Require the Social Security Administration to notify employers when an employee's information does not match the information in their database and notify employees when their Social Security number is being used with multiple employers.

Require ICE to respond to state reports of employers possibly hiring illegal workers within 5 business days

ItsAboutTime-3704531 Romney is so focused on RomoNOMICS (what's yours is mine and what's mine is mine) that he doesn't have time to focus on anything else. As the GOP reminds us... the economy is all that matters, this is just a distraction from Obama

Your first sentence...shouldn't that read "OBAMA is focused on what's yours is everybody's and what's mine is mine"?

By Amanda Terkel on Dec 1, 2006 at 11:39 am

The Boston Globe reports today that for the past decade, Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney (R) has employed a landscaping company that relies heavily on undocumented Guatemalan immigrants. The company, Community Lawn Service with a Heart, also tended to the lawn at Romney’s son’s house.

When asked by a reporter about his use of Community Lawn Service with a Heart, Romney said, “Aw, geez,” and walked away.

William-

Thank you, I would appreciate the articles. I don't mean that in a rudely. Thank you for the information on the ITIN. That's was helpful. All I know, is that I see illegal immigrants use SS#'s a lot. From the woman we had to fire (which why doesn't she have a ITIN then?), to my dad's friends, to my own friends parents.

In the article I posted about it being a crime to be here illegally, it states-

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

• Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
• Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
• Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

The Supreme Court said you can't hold em, detain em, look at em funny or ask em for their papers. But they never said you can't shoot em.

William-

Here are a couple of articles about illegal immigrants using stolen SS#:

nytimes(dot)com/2006/09/04/world/americas/04iht-id.2688618(dot)html?pagewanted=all

freerepublic(dot)com/focus/f-news/886308/posts

You say that it doesn't happen, but it does.

For a High Court this was pretty low. Obama may get his big batch of new voters after all.

DrDrGimmetheNews

I understand that makes the child a US citizen. The point is, is that some parents of these children, are simply having the children for the welfare check. That's wrong. If they are not having the child with the intention of getting money out of it, and they need it to support their child, sure give it to them. The problem is, is that it leaves a lot of room to scam the system, and unfortunately it's not a part that I can see can be fixed.

That aside, I really like your screen name. Clever.

"William Bentley

I can't believe people actually think the way some of you on here do. How are the states spending money on illegal immigrants; other then enforcing immigration and deporting them of course? We aren't giving them free medical care, we aren't giving them food or welfare, we aren't giving them a rats ass of anything."

You obviously have not been informed of the 23 illegal aliens that were in a truck rollover because the driver SAW a Border Patrolman who was driving his BP vehicle back to the station near Sonoita, AZ... 8 dead, 17 injured. Who do you think paid for the ER personnel training, ER equipment (including helicopter airlifts - plural - for the most seriously injured), the hospital, rehab and burial of the dead? It was the tax payers of the Santa Cruz and Pima County... not the Feds.

And, not only are they getting food and welfare, in CA they are now entitled to get student loans AND grants (free money) while the mayor of LA tells me it's the "right" thing.

The "right" thing is to take care of our citizens and legal aliens first. The "right" thing would be to have our Federal Government support the immigration laws as passed by our dulely elected representatives instead of picking and choosing the laws that they will enforce based on political expediency. This is backdoor amnesty period.

I have had the priviledge of working all over the world and in each and every country I have had to have a passport, visa and work permit. Are those countries "racist" or realists?

"William Bentley

I can't believe people actually think the way some of you on here do. How are the states spending money on illegal immigrants; other then enforcing immigration and deporting them of course? We aren't giving them free medical care, we aren't giving them food or welfare, we aren't giving them a rats ass of anything."

You obviously have not been informed of the 23 illegal aliens that were in a truck rollover because the driver SAW a Border Patrolman who was driving his BP vehicle back to the station near Sonoita, AZ... 8 dead, 17 injured. Who do you think paid for the ER personnel training, ER equipment (including helicopter airlifts - plural - for the most seriously injured), the hospital, rehab and burial of the dead? It was the tax payers of the Santa Cruz and Pima County... not the Feds.

And, not only are they getting food and welfare, in CA they are now entitled to get student loans AND grants (free money) while the mayor of LA tells me it's the "right" thing.

The "right" thing is to take care of our citizens and legal aliens first. The "right" thing would be to have our Federal Government support the immigration laws as passed by our dulely elected representatives instead of picking and choosing the laws that they will enforce based on political expediency. This is backdoor amnesty period.

I have had the priviledge of working all over the world and in each and every country I have had to have a passport, visa and work permit. Are those countries "racist" or realists?

So again, if the truck was full of young Americans that didn't have insurance no one would have to pay for them either? I have had the privilege of working side by side to "illegal" immigrants in the armed forces; I didn't give two @!$%#s if they had papers to prove their citizenship.

Jess, ITIN's aren't perfect. You have to file a return to get one, the IRS states they can't be used as proof of eligibility to work; however most employers will allow you to work with one simply for the fact that they can cover their bases and report the worker to the IRS and retain plausible deniability. I'm not sure why the workers you claim you never got one, I suppose there are those who'd rather skimp on the taxes and hide their earnings by falsifying social security numbers. ITINS are becoming more and more accepted; in my home state of Kentucky and others you can even use an ITIN to get a driver's licenses.

I'm sure social security theft happens, but I don't think it is as prevalent as illegal workers themselves, I thank you for actually making coherent augments though, when I get a chance I'll find those links.

I'm all for immigration reform, I think we should start by increasing the number of work visas available to match our need and the demand.

VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY!

Citizens are being replaced by a lawless sub-group of law-breakers who intend to enslave citizens to pay for their illegal lifestyles.

Citizens now the slave of lawless trespassers.

Jess heres a few good reads,

washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/30/AR2010043001106.html

From the Washington post.

aclu.org/immigrants-rights/immigration-myths-and-facts

from the ACLU.

Just add www.

Supreme Court gives states a green light to follow Arizona's lead on immigration

illegal aliens can DRAW OUT social security as soon as they obtain any type of legal status, they don't need citizenship to DRAW OUT funds- breaking our system.

Breaking our system that designed only for real citizens.

The illegal alien lobby frequently touts the statistic that illegal alien workers contribute $7 billion each year to Social Security.

They fail to note that for every $1 illegal aliens contribute to Social Security, they withdraw $10 in other government benefits.

The Fiscal Cost of Low-Skill Immigrants to the U.S. Taxpayer:

Looking at one federal government program (social security) and exclaiming that illegal immigrants contribute is highly flawed when they are withdrawing far more from other areas of government expenditure.

THEY WITHDRAW FAR MORE THAN THEY CONTRIBUTE.

Illegal Aliens, " You are now free to roam about the country!" We'll leave a light on for ya!"

New foreign workers compete with the laid-off and underemployed highly skilled Americans in most professions and occupations, but most foreign workers compete directly in the construction, service and manufacturing industries where unemployment is the highest and where Americans have the least margin of financial security.

22 million Americans want, but cannot find, full-time jobs. Among Americans with only a high school education, one in five (20%) cannot find full-time work.

Among Hispanic Americans with only a high school education, 36 percent cannot find full-time work.

Among Black Americans with only a high school education, 40 percent cannot find full-time work.

WE NEED ENFORCEMENT; NOT MORE ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Jessica -

I haven't looked at your last sources, but your first two have some problems. The original source for the first is this: http://www.cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011 from CIS, a notoriously anti-immigration organization. The early parts of the article are drawn right from DHS and are fine, but they get their final conclusion by extrapolating that since they 'believe' (not much support as DHS estimates around 5%) that 10% of all immigrants are here illegally, that 10% of those receiving benefits would also be illegal.

The second article also uses false sampling for its numbers. See here: http://immigrationreform.com/2011/09/12/welfare-use-by-illegal-alien-families-rises-rapidly/ They assume that all "child-only" welfare cases are illegal immigrants when in truth there are numerous reasons why a family might be a "child-only" welfare case, such as sanctioned parents or those on SSI.

Williing.Sniper,

You have lost your mind, and with it, your ability to reason.

William-

First, I want to thank you for your service.

Second, a work visa increase would help.

I'm for immigration reform. Immigrants tend to be a hard working people. Mexico is a disaster right now, and I can't blame them for trying to get over here asap. Not all illegal immigrants cheat the system, or make us pay for them in various ways...but some do. That's unacceptable.

Thanks for the articles, I'll read them shortly!

ILLEGAL ALIENS IMPOSE TOO MUCH TAX PAYER BURDEN.

Most illegal aliens are unskilled or low-skilled.

The Nobel Prize-winning, liberal economist Paul Krugman has written, "Unfortunately, low-skill immigrants don't pay enough taxes to cover the cost of the benefits they receive.” That means American taxpayers must heavily subsidize the costs of services to newcomers.

In California alone, immigration is responsible for more than 45% of the state's school children. This huge influx costs California's taxpayers more than $26 billion each year.

Once again the supreme court sticking their nose into affairs of the state. Where are the checks and balances here ? The state doesnt want all these illegals there. They should have that right for the police to protect the best interest of OUR citizens.

Im tired of these people coming here taking away our jobs, sucking our money dry with their medical and food stamps. I get disgusted every time I see how much money is being docked from my pay check in taxes and medical premiums.

There is nothing good that will come of this. People act like this is a good thing allowing illegals here. When are you going to wake up ??

Willing.Sniper:

There are a lot of them who are skilled as well. There are a lot of illegal immigrants in my area (Houston) who work in construction, welding, and machining. There are also a lot of citizens who are unskilled or low-skilled as well.

Amnesty Costs 70 Times More Than Enforcement.

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/illegal-immigration/amnesty-costs-10-times-more-than-enforcement.html

They found the cost of allowing illegal aliens to remain in the United States, and eventually to become citizens, would be $3.7 trillion through the year 2056.

That works out to a present cost of $1 trillion, at a 5 percent discount rate. In other words, immediately upon passage of an amnesty bill, the United States government would need to put $1 trillion into an investment earning 5 percent per year if it were honest about paying for the costs of amnesty.

If a person is arrested for a crime and during the arrest procedures it is found that this person is not here legally, that person will then be tried and, if found guilty of the crime, deported along with the record number that have been deported in the past 3 years. What President Obama has done is to prioritize limited resources in the ICE to address criminals that actually pose a threat to others. Unless you want to raise revenues for ICE (you know, taxes) there is only so much that can be done and I think everyone would prefer criminals be deported that some 13 year old kid.

This law and the provision kept in place will promote racial profiling unless it is applied to everyone arrested, since there are many non-hispanic people here illegally.

I realize there are many illegal aliens working in high Tech jobs who have overstayed their Visa; making them illegal.

We have millions of college graduates that can fill those same jobs. THATS who should be in those jobs. Citizens must come first in our own country.

Willing.Sniper-

Not all of them are over-staying visas. Some of them were brought here as children. Some of them came here as adults, started as shop helpers and WORKED their way up. Some of them held those jobs in Mexico, and came here with the knowledge of their trade. I know a lot in the last three examples I've given. My boyfriend is a welder, and my father a machinist, and for a while my brother was in construction, but is now also in machining.

Citizens should come first in this country- you are right. But I don't think that many Americans are out looking for jobs in the fields I'm talking about that can't find work. Right out of school my boyfriend landed tons of jobs. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't portray them as all working at McDonalds, because they don't know how to work at a skilled job.

OMG. I thougth I was going to make an intelligent comment, but after reading all that's been posted I'M SOOOOO CONFUSED..so I'll go back outside and finish my gardening.

Jerry Obama Sanduskey echoed the Democrat mantra “it’s for the children".
:(

We have thousands of American Citizen kids with engineering degrees, and computer science degrees that cannot find a full time job.

Because importing a foreign worker, or hiring an illegal alien is less expensive.

American colleges and universities produce more than enough science, math, and engineering CITIZEN graduates to fill available jobs.

There Is No Tech Worker Shortage

“llegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Throw then some pesos and they work so hard.

Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
I don’t even ask if they got green card.

They’re going to pave up my driveway this Christmas.
They’re going to clean all my cars this Christmas.
They’re going to shovel all the snow this Christmas.
Those illegals in my yard.

They’re going to dig me a pool this Christmas.
They’re going to landscape my law this Christmas.
They’re going to cook me up some tacos this Christmas.
Those illegals in my yard.

Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Sixteen arrive in a stolen car.

Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
When they’re not working, they sit at the bar.

They’re going to drink some cervezas this Christmas.
They’re going to shoot some tequila this Christmas.
They’re going to get DUIs this Christmas.
Those illegals in my yard.

They’re getting free organ transplants this Christmas.
They’re going to have anchor babies this Christmas.
They’re going to scream “sí, se puede” this Christmas.
Those illegals in my yard.

Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
One at a time run past those border guards.

Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Illegals in my yard.
Hugo Chavez sends his kind regards.

They’re going to tackle Pat Buchanan this Christmas.
They’re going to chase down Lou Dobbs this Christmas.
They’re going to join up with La Raza this Christmas.
Those illegals in my yard.

They’re going to spread bubonic plague this Christmas.
They’re going to bring me lots of bed bugs this Christmas.
They’re going to pass tuberculosis this Christmas.”
Those illegals in my yard.

Have your friends said that you're so clever that you should be sharing your humor onstage? Such obvious talent, give it a try, there a fortune to be made…do you have a day job?

"Foriegn" Is that English? It's "foreign" and SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!!!!!!!

Illegals are already voting in our country. In many places, all you need to do is check a box that says, "Yes, I am a citizen of the US" and "Yes, I am 18 years of age" and the system just takes your word for it. NO ID REQUIRED

It must suck to live your life in such a xenophobic fashion

Not really. It saves on the chili & beans.

lol...

@Auntie

The "Foriegn" is a typo, it is very clear, but I guess you don't make typos, must be nice to be perfect.

DVG, well why not? Thanks to Citizens United, foreign corporations and billionaires are already buying political candidates who will do their bidding when elected.

Billionaires....you mean like Sheldon Adelson?

Well, the Supremes have already cleared the path for completely opaque campaign donations, meaning that foreign countries can pay to influence elections by going through the black box the Super PACs provide, so, really, what's the big deal if foreigners can vote or not? They can already peddle influence through unregulated donations.

Why not, foriegn are people too my friend. Ha Ha

We have enough unemployed people here already.

Until they deal with the ability to come to the USA and download a baby, and that baby automatically becomes an American citizen then this is just peanuts. "Anchor babies" are an expense we can not tolerate budget wise. It's happening at an alarming rate. For those who scream "it's in the constitution", yeah, so what? When it was written they had no idea that illegal immigration would ever be a problem. I do believe in the "Dream Act" and immigration, but "legal immigration" not illegal immigration.

I know so upset about foriegn people, but money bring it on in.

Yeah, DVG. That happens right after they come take all your guns.

*eyeball-roll*

For those who scream "it's in the constitution", yeah, so what? When it was written they had no idea that illegal immigration would ever be a problem.

Just curious - how do you feel when people say that about the second amendment? I'm sure if our Founding Fathers knew about AK-47's and cop-killer bullets, they would have been a little bit more clear about that "well-regulated militia" thing...

Mitt Romney wants to crack down. We NEED a Republican President, and we will get one! Oh yes, we will!

With national E-Verify no employer will hire an illegal alien. There will be no where to run and hide.

Right now under Citizens' United, thanks to the Supreme Court:

Foreign multi-nationals are pouring undisclosed, unlimited cash into our Presidential election.

Romneyisanightmare I invite you to live my life. I have to prove my citizenship to get a Drivers License from my state. I have been stopped twice by the Border Patrol within the area in which I live. I am white fair blond haired and greeneyed so as far as you are concerned I am sure that is perfectly OK. I do have to go through BP checkpoints every time I leave the area in which I live. And since I am caucasian I am sure the federal government stopping me is perfectly OK to ask me if I am a citizen in your view. They did ask me if everybody in my vehicle was a citizen I said there is only me and the dog and I knew he was a citizen since he was born in Iowa. At which time he caught whiff of their female and tried to go through the little window. They let me pass.

Yeah, DVG-3514171, that's the next step. Idiot.

Be careful what you wish for Willing.Sniper, national e-varify is starting to sound a lot like the plan that Hitler took for Germany right before he launched WW II.

Illegals don't vote in this country, they most assuredly don't vote in Tennessee and never have as far as I can tell (yes, I know these things because I actually am a member of my county election commission and we investigate everything - did find one family trying to vote in two counties, what do you wingers think we should do to this family, pure white, gun owning, non working white trash republicans?).

And you are forgetting one big problem on the path to your republican presidency - your candidate is a Morman, the SBC and Bubba in the South will not support him, I know this because I've lived in Bubbaland all my life - this is a dog that just won't hunt, sorry, you guys walked out with the wrong pooch from the pet store.

To all youhailing this as a liberal victory, it's not. MSNBC spins this as if it is, but the KEY part of the law was upheld. So they can spin it in their typical BS way, but it actually a victory for Arizona.

Don't you love how MSNBC unabashadly reports like they do, if you can call it reporting. They are more like the National Enquirer.

nopenshaw - illegals do not get to vote here, they never have. You need to spend some time at your local county election office, attend the meetings. We review each and every voter registration that comes in, we actually can question a registration that the state approves - and we do so often.

If you think illegals or anyone else is voting illegally in your local elections you need to contact your state department of elections immediately with the complete facts and file a complaint against the local election office. Take up the problem with the local election office - everything stops at their desk. If you are just spouting off with nothing to back up your claim you need to stop, false accusations do nothing to further democracy.

I think if you're going to FEAR it,...you probably ought to learn how to spell it!

Priceless display of ignorance.

Yes Skiddy they can ask for papers they just cannot do anything about it. Big win for you.

Union Baby, Tennessee,

What? Did you just get back from fox news? The requirement to carry your papers was struck down. That's what everyone was shocked by to begin with. Here's the ruling:

Section 3 of S. B. 1070 creates a new state misde- meanor. It forbids the “willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document . . . in violation of 8 United States Code section 1304(e) or 1306(a).” Ariz. Rev. Stat. Ann. §11–1509(A) (West Supp. 2011). In effect, §3 adds a state-law penalty for conduct proscribed by federal law.

Section 3 was struck down, because it was unconstitutional (and racist as all hell!!).

Willing Sniper: What makes you think e-verify will do the job? It's already law that they must check SSAN and other ID, and very few employers even do that. They just ask - which they aren't supposed to do. What makes you think they will even use e-verify? We don't need a president who has the mentality of a bully. Someone who would remove needed programs to help Americans because he refuses to have his friends (along with himself) pay their fair share of taxes. The majority of his money is not earned income so he pays a lower percentage of taxes than you do. You pay a 25% tax and he pays 15%. He's hid a lot of his money off shore, so he's not even paying ANY taxes on it. He says to leave the tax breaks for his rich friends because they are job creators - we've had the Bush era tax cuts for over 8 years - where are the jobs they were supposed to create? In Asia, Africa, Indonesia - almost everywhere else but here.

Union baby.... what do you do, live under a rock? Guess you've never been to Florida around voting time...

Don 41331...."rice and beans" .......ha ha.....tha's a good one. Now go iron your sheets, and check the tire pressure on your house.

At least 'my sheets' are clean, McLovin. Maybe you should try bleach on yours. It might help you with your skid marks problem.

lol...

...or Illinois...dead people vote over there! ha! This whole illegal alien thing is a joke. Nobody has control over it. It's out of control. The best thing to do to make sure the illegals stop coming and start leaving is to refuse free anything, not hire them for anything...in short, make it uncomfortable for them to be here. They'll go back. I read online some months ago that this has actually started to happen.

Attrition though Enforcement ( enforce current laws; Obama doesn't ).
Visa Exit System ( make sure Visa holders actually leave).
National E-Verify ( so illegals can't work here).

THAT'S Mitt Romney's plan.

Vote Republicans into office in November. Citizens should always come first in our own country.

skiddy, the police have always been able to check immigration status if the person was arrested