They rolled the dice and came up snake eyes. Now they are watching the dealer remove their chips off the table...

Nothing left to do but slink off in shame. Too bad those folks have no respect for themselves so they are incapable of knowing what shame really is.

Walker should not take his win as a mandate, and neither should the Republican party. Up to 23% of people that voted for Walker are Democrats that didn't believe this was an appropriate recall election.'

In short, Walker got their votes this time, but probably won't next time. If he continues the "at all costs" approach he mostly will be one and done.

Americans want people that listen to them, even if the current Governor doesn't support their ideas.

Partisan politics is not what's going to bring this country together, it will further polarize and divide it.

@Eric, I couldn't agree more. I understand the anti-Walker sentiments (he basically lied about his pre-election intentions), but this didn't amount to a need for a recall -- just a different vote next time. What will be new in the next election, however, is the influence of money. Democracy has we have known it throughout the history of this country will be gone, and I hope its departure is only temporary.

Hey Spider, we may have lost the recall, but we got the Senate back in Wisconsin.

Just another thing for Walker to deal with.

Greed and corruption got another green light. Very sad.

congrats to Gov Walker. Hopefully the Democrats nationally and in Wisconson see their weaknesses. They are glaring. Get to the root of the problem instead of trying to fix the symptoms, because there is no way the Democrats can win the battle using Capitals.

The tax payers are fighting against themselves... In addition, the tax cuts funded by the middle class goes to the corporations further fuels the incentive to lobby against the middle class. It should be very clear, because it is all a vicious cycle. Learn to have better sound bites, better mobilization, better organization and better focus. You can not fix all things at once!!!

REMEMBER, the Republicans is now very clear with their Divide and Conquer strategy. It worked in Wisconson and CA (Prop 29). 2 critical battles that Democrats should have won based on initial #. Yet they lost.

so, looking at the picture "Moving Wisconsin Forward" , I have to wonder exactly which way is forward??

Hey Eric, the Wisconsin legislature is done with it's business this year and there are 16 Wisconsin senate seats are up for grabs this November.

Walker has to deal with what exactly?

Democrats need a plan to reduce deficits that include cuts and raising revenues. If the only plan is a Republican "no holds bared" plan then people will vote for it.

That doesn't mean that people agree with the social issue policies of conservatives.

@Tracy, given the "no holds bared" approach of the Republicans they may lose a bunch. Regardless, even if elected in November, they wouldn't be effective till after January.

Also, Obama is leading in Wisconsin by 9 points over Romney, look for there to be more Dem votes in the state house and senate as well.

Oh brother, Walker wins his recall, and all of a sudden the media is annointing him emperor of all he surveys.

I don't think even Wisconsin-ites meant to send that message. Nobody ever wins a recall; if enough people put that much effort into recalling you, you've already lost.

Really doesn't appear to be a win to me as they lost control of the Wisconsin Senate...

Outstanding Comment Amy.

They should change the name of Wisconsin to Koch Brothers, who now own the Republican Party in

Wiscon(sin)

Sorry fellow progressives. You do not recall a Governor simply because he is doing what he was elected to do. Period! Elections have consequences as we said in 2008. To those of you in the public sector, it is time for you to share the burden with those of us who own small businesses and take risks with our capital and thus our livelihoods. Fact is the republicans have a point with out of control pension and healthcare costs for those of you who work government jobs. Please don't give me the cops and teachers and first responders stuff. They are well provided for compared to those of us in the private sector. Hell a convenience store clerk and taxi driver's job is more dangerous than a cops for crisakes. So get off your high horse. Conversely I agree with progressives and yes some republicans who have a problem with "crony capitalism" and the money changers on Wall Street. They and their lackeys in the congress on both sides of the aisle are responsible for the recession. We have become a country that rewards financial craftiness as opposed to innovation.

"How a new cadre of Wis. Republicans could change the whole GOP..."

What? They might become even more radical?

Not so fast Eric. you haven't won back the senate.

Democrats declared Mr. Lehman the winner, saying that gives them a 17-to-16 majority in the Senate, which would make it the only chamber in Madison that Democrats control. But a recount also seemed conceivable, and Mr. Wanggaard had not conceded by morning. (Under state law, a losing candidate may request a recount, though who pays for it depends on the size of the margin between the candidates.)

If Democrats ultimately succeed in winning control of the chamber, even some among them have acknowledged that the victory may be more symbolic than anything. The Legislature is not scheduled to meet before November, when regular elections are scheduled for about half of the Senate seats, using new state district boundaries favored by Republicans.

You know the Democrats and Labor Unions are planning do another recall as soon as possible. They will never admit defeat, even though the majority of Wisconsin approves of the Governor's actions.

@Amy B. Portland, ME

"Nobody ever wins a recall; if enough people put that much effort into recalling you, you've already lost."

Amy you memory seems to be very short, but in California Grey Davis WAS recalled in 2003. I also seem to remember him having a (D) behind his name as well. If a re-call SUCEEDS that means you have lost, not after beating the same challenger twice....as Walker did.

Please try again....this time put some effort into it.

Thank Gawd! For a little while there I was thinking people were getting fed up with all this 'party-crap'. Whew... that was a close one. Okay, everyone, back to your corners and come out ready to point those fingers like never before. This is great. More partisanship... more divisiveness... less compromise... pretty soon everything will be all better.

Walker never mentioned breaking public employee unions during his campaign for office. This program was only revealed once he and the newly elected state legislature were in office. The recall was largely motivated by this secret attack. Obama, by contrast, never made his desire for healthcare reform a secret, only to be revealed after election. If candidates launch drastic or extreme measures after getting in office, but keep their intentions secret while campaigning, how do you know who you are electing?

You mean kinda like Willard??

Eric-

Obama is leading in Wisconsin by 9 points over Romney, look for there to be more Dem votes in the state house and senate as well.

This is a pipe dream...the exit polls were obviously off! They said that it was to close to call, but it ended up a 60-40 win for walker! this means that the exit polls were catching mainly Lib's. your wishful thinking is quite irrational.

Mark L-464288 -- Uh, no. It was the same 7 point margin it was last time around. Puleeze!

People, do you not recognize media hype to get higher ratings? Come on! The Dems have been hoping for Paul Ryan as VP -- Go ahead rightwingers, and make Scott Walker your "hero." If other red states want to continue to face protests, to raise huge amounts of money, to fire up the opposition (think Occupy), have at it.

Walker no longer has a majority in the State Senate to do anything, and he has nothing but investigations to face. The same for Rick Scott and others who have pushed the envelope with blatant over-reach.

The rightwing extremism, including Romney the Vulture Capitalist, has only brought to light important aspects of our democracy that We The People need to be aware of, and discussing in regard to the kind of future we want for ourselves and our children. The GOP/TP that has always shunned Europe, now embraces Europe and austerity. We will see how well this lead balloon flies too.

The GOP/TP's gain is your pain. Don't reward betrayal. Throw the Teapublicans out! Pass the president's Jobs Act and the 5-point plan now. Then FORWARD from there!

One indisputable fact from the Wisconsin recall election is that Wisconsin experienced record voter turnout - the vote was not suppressed. Only motivated voters cast ballots.

The message is that campaigns cannot rely on attempting to suppress opposing votes.

There will be many attempts to spin the motivation for Wisconsin voters - but - the fact remains that Wisconsin did vote in record numbers.

And the bulk of those voters are from the middle class. The very positive thing about the Wisconsin election is that the middle class is beginning to take notice - is beginning to participate - is becoming motivated.

That is the message for the national campaigns. Middle class issues and values are what elections are about.

True Patriot, time will tell...I think you may be eating your words come November...but like I said time will tell, and I may end up eating mine.

The GOP/TP's gain is your pain. Don't reward betrayal. Throw the Teapublicans out! Pass the president's Jobs Act and the 5-point plan now. Then FORWARD from there!

And where does the money come from to pay for this? And how does this differ from the original stimulus plan, but just a different shiny name...

the administration even sent pole watchers into the big areas; the margin of victory spells big trouble for the Obama white house, even the liberal media , could not put a spin on this slap in the face; they should get out of the beltway more often, and fine out the real mood of the people.

Robert-

Obama, by contrast, never made his desire for healthcare reform a secret, only to be revealed after election.

No, just what was in it was a secret...remember, we can read it after we pass it...transparency we can believe in!

Hey Robert, Obama did fail to mention one small thing during his campaign, the Stimulus Bailout. And by contrast Walker,unlike Obama, had a detailed plan to trim spending and balance the states budget. Which he did,without laying off anyone. Scott Walker won this recall because of his accomplisments and which would be the reason Obama didn't get re-elected. As far as how do you know who you're electing? That's a tough one,Robert,with President Obama it's a game. By that if his plan succedes he takes the credit,if it fails he blames the Republican's in Congress. The only thing I hope for come November is that the White Sox won the World Series!

Up to 23% of people that voted for Walker are Democrats that didn't believe this was an appropriate recall election.'

The same is going to hapend with Obama, independents and moderate Democrats are fed-up with the demagogy of Obama and his administration. Just looking how arrogant Erick Holder face the Congress and Obama still supporting him , knowing that he did something wrong is despicable, that end with the death of a Border Agent. Obama has no record to defend himself, Osama is dead but he would be dead even with Carter, GM is alive , it could be alive like Chrysler in the seventies when Ray Liotta with no bailout but restructuring the company under Chapter 11 , and without bailout money, 23 billion of dollars still owe the auto union workers for maintain their benefits.

Thanks so much, TruePatriot, for saying it the way you did - I know so many people are pushing for the country to be run like a business, but that pretty much means we have to throw out constitutional concepts like equality. So much misinformation has been spread by the media and so much money has been thrown to get people to scream the lies they're being told. It's not just disturbing, it's becoming the American standard. Oddly, we had a chance to vote a businessman in for president before when Ross Perot ran - back then, both parties agreed it was a dumb idea; why would it be smart now?

But lots of dems are indeed annoyed with Obama - we thought we were electing a change president. Regardless of how much he has accomplished (and we know he has), ostensibly he spent so much time catering to the right that many of us felt betrayed. Nobody wanted him to lower himself to Rush Limbaugh's level, but we expected more of a fight from Obama. There has to be a better way to get control back.

@mark..you are correct about the exit polls. Watching CNN last nite they specifically addresses this, saying the the republicans were not responding to the exit polls at the same rate the democrats were.

Walker won with a slightly larger percentage than in 2010. I'm not sure how anyone would spin that as a good thing for Democrats. Trying to put a "happy face" on this is beyond absurd. When you get your a$$ handed to you after all the righteous indignation of the past 18 months, it sure looks petty to say "it doesn't matter". If it didn't matter, why in the world would you do it in the first place?

Colossal waste of time, effort and money to try and recall a governor who balanced the budget and reduced government spending, which was apparently just fine with (again) a majority of the voters. Now let's move along, no more to see here.

Oh please robert....obama ran on transparency and then did his healthcare reform behind closed doors.

it just shows that big money buys election! democrats will still rule the white house, people will see that obama and co. cares for the middle class!!

e basically lied about his pre-election intentions), but this didn't amount to a need for a recall -- just a different vote next time.

so if lying and taking away rights that will damage Wisconsin isnt good enough reason for a recall , what is?

he did NOT do what he was elected to do.

He shamlessly moved money around so that it appeared he balanced the budget when really Wisconsin will end up paying that $500 million in the end as well as $156 million more in interest , all so Walker could claim he balanced the budget.

He cut education aid to help pay for the budget, and he didnt lower property taxes to help citiizens, property taxes dropped because house values plummeted.

He stripped union rights to collectively bargain for pay UNLESS its a negotiation for a COLA. So they have to bargain for a COLA. some of the lowest paid people teachers. Wisconsin and Scott Walker have taken out a dismal economy thats purely the fault of corporate greed and blamed their scapegoat ..unions .

The Kochs crammed money into Wisconsin, wonder why that is?

while I will say that the thought was a decent and caring thought behind that vote , its just not true he's done what he was elected to do. Too bad Republicans cant do the same for Democrats and Obama.

Hey...Go for it GOP.....make that EXTRA WIDE reach.... that extrapolation you think puts you on the path to correctness and success. It's like that old joke, "Do you know the difference between a brown noser and a sh*t head ?.....depth perception ! So, dive in....dive in deeeeeep !...see you in november.

To all Dems/Libs: We kicked your a$$ in 2010 and now with this recall. Obama is a One-Term Blunder and November 2012, he will be out! We, the little people, have had enough of government take-over and we are sending you a message loud and clear. Also, the Tea Party is NOT dead! Socialism will not be tolerated in the USA.

@oskar-1391552 "demagogy of Obama"

You mean like saying he wasn't born in the United States, like saying you lie, like asking for his school records, you mean like calling him a tar baby, like calling him a communist, like saying if he is re-elected either he will be dead or me, like saying lets chop his head off. Who is doing the demagoguery? Seem like you and the Tea bag Repuks are. Fact don't matter just lies as fact matter. get a life loser.

Amazing! The Tea Party voters who begrudge Fireman, Policeman and Teachers their all but reasonable compensation and benefits because they are they themselfes paid little by their own employers or are on a fixed income (Social Security, Medicare)! Amazing, that the same Tea Partiers are currently paying taxes at a historic low (lowest since the 1950's)! Amazing, that when all the Public and Private Sector Unions are gone they (those who vote against their own self interests) will "still" be cheated out of good benefits and a living wage by both their former and current employers! Amazing, how they will then react when Mitt and the Tea Party Congress privatize their Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid! Amazing, when there is no EPA and corporations can poison them and their families for profit and no one has any legal recourse! Amazing, when Halliburton declares war on Iran for profit! Amazing, when Green Energy Technology is all but outlawed! Amazing, when your police department is privatized and if you don't meet your monthly payment that calls from your property will go unanswered! Amazing, when the cities of New York, L.A., and New orleans are all under water! Amazing, how cognitively and intellectually lazy these people are! Amazing! Amazing! Amazingly, amazingly... sad!

I agree with Eric. This is not a Republican Mandate.

It is more of a poor reason to recall a governor. If our states/federal systems stoops to the point where we continue to recall candidates when we disagree with policy the economic and time waste on all of us will be tremendous. It is why they serve 2, 4 and 6 year terms. Not 1-2 and 3 year terms.

truepatriot, the 9-point advantage in the exit poll provided by NBC was nothing more than a bone thrown to the Democrats by a news organization that does not try to hide their love for liberal causes prior to the trouncing of the unions and Democrats. NBC saw the writing on the wall. Last night, I watched both MSNBC and Fox News (I haven't watched much of either this year) and talk about two different views of the news. If you want us to believe in an NBC poll, then I assume we should also believe a Fox poll. Now that's as stupid as stupid gets.

Oskar, You mean Lee Iacocca at Chrysler? Although Ray Liotta would have been an improvement, LOL! I've said what you said all along, look at Ford, took no Fed money and the CEO took no salary until the company made money. That kind of stuff sends a positive message to the workers in the plant. We're not making money,then I'm not doing my job and therefore I'm not taking a pay check til I fix this. And they did. Myself and my family have been GM buyers for ever. Pontiac Bonneville's, Chevy SS Impala's, Gmc Vans and trucks,Cadillac's,Caprice's,396 Chevelle's,etc. But I'll tell you what Oskar, I love my new F-150!

Don't you just love the spin the leftisits are putting on that recall vote. Yesterday it was all about kicking Walker out of office because of his disdain of the middle class. Today, the spin doctors on this message board say it is all about the recall election not being appropriate.The recall was put upon Wisconsin by the Democrats and their union money men. If it was not the right thing to do, the leftists should not have wasted Wisconsin tax dollars by going after it in the first place.

Tank Carson,

Amazing! The Tea Party voters who begrudge Fireman, Policeman and Teachers their all but reasonable compensation

Well we can tell you are really reaching when 2 out of 3 are flat out incorrect...This did not effect Fireman or Police at all...As for teachers I'm all for education, but when the system is failing the United States, I don't think the answer is "throw money at the problem". I think that Tenure needs to be addressed. We keep the old, and get rid of the new and fresh.

@Jan-318400

Neither will fascism be tolerated in the USA, Jan.

The Republican strategy is to only give welfare to the rich and let the middle class foot the bill.

They also believe that the best incentive for the poor is to starve them.

I think the comment here that takes the cake... is the Tea Party gentlemen who suggested that Cops and Fireman should not make mush more then convenience store employees and taxi drivers because their jobs were dangerous to! You know what the definition of Tea Party/Republican is... mean spirited, un-christian, arrogant, anti-intellectual, anti-science, anti-fact. These people believe what they feel not what is known. They are reactionary and would rather be against some one then actually be for something. For them it has been by turn... anarchists, Eastern Europeans, Jews, Communists, Socialists, Liberals, Homosexuals, Scientists! And now First Responders! So much for their phony patriotism after 9/11, wrapped in the American Flag, freedom this and freedom that and every empty platitude they could think of to discredit other well meaning Americans and NOW they want your policeman to work for minimum wage without benefits! wake up America the enemy is not abroad it is middle aged white males who think going back to the 17th century is somehow desirable and a good thing!

Walker and Conservatives - 2 Unions and Progressives - 0

nuff said!!

dyermoe, I think the Republican's are more apt to give a hand-up, instead of the Democrats hand-out. Perfect example is the difference in Obama and Romney's single mother plan. Obama will keep you on welfare, and Romney will pay for childcare while the mother goes to work. This gives the mother a chance to better herself instead of being in a stagnant position at home.

It is interesting how the msm played this one. Walker was fighting for his political life when in fact the people of Wisconsin are sick and tired of left wing cronyism. We cannot afford union salaries and pensions at full pay. There is no contribution on the part of the employee as in the private sector. These leeches are sucking dry the American economy. Can't imagine paying police chief's $500k plus especially when 10% of those executed are innocent. George Will even recognizes that the government judicial system is broken and needs to be fixed. The coroners we hire are at the bottom of the food chain who couldn't hack it as a surgeon in a hospital. Most graduate from unheard of Medical schools in the Philippines or South America. They also phony up their board certifications from the internet for $175.00. Scary world.

Eric-913730

Democrats need a plan to reduce deficits that include cuts and raising revenues. If the only plan is a Republican "no holds bared" plan then people will vote for it.

That doesn't mean that people agree with the social issue policies of conservatives.

Eric,

I hope the Democrats listen to you and create a realistic plan to reduce deficits. I'm not thrilled with Ryan's plan, but at least it's a starting point for discussion. It would be great if the Democrats had an alternative that could be debated.

I also hope the Republicans drop the social issue policies. The new crop of Reps seem to be true small government people - both fiscally and socially. My local TP rep has socially conservative beliefs, but he doesn't push his beliefs on others.

More BS spin, this time from dyermoe? The middle class just voted for a Republican over a Democrat. The middle class obviously doesn't agree with you.

Walker lied about his intentions during the original election cycle so that amounts to fraud. He never stated his desire to dismantle the Unions which amounts to a Big deal.

Republicans are OK with Big Liars. Mitt Romney tells a new lie each day about what President Obama has said or done...without any basis in fact.

Then he is stupid enough to lie about what he himself has said or done...not recognizing that there is video and audio of him saying something completely different.

Karma is a bee-atch and the Republicans will have their day in hell. Remember Nixon.

Walker didn't face the recall because he balanced the budget in Wisconsin. First, he cuts taxes which created the deficit, then he required monetary concessions from the unions because of the "crisis". He got those concessions. However that was not the plan, the real behind the scene ploy was to strip collective bargaining rights from those unions, thus crippling them. What does a union do if not bargain collectively with employers? Divide and conquer works real well during the planned depression, not so much when/if the American middle class gets back. There is a reason union workers support Democrats. Thirty years of assault by Republicans on workers rights and thirty years of wage stagnation and depression. Next up, the "entitlements" as they like to call them. Welcome back to third world status and poverty America. Government of the corrupt corporations, by the corps and for the corps.

There's only one thing worse than a poor looser and that's a bad winner. Case in point...

Divide And Conquer... which part don't the Wisconson citizens don't undersatand?

TorpedoYou - Excellent post. I share many of the same thoughts.

I do not like the out-of-control pensions and healthcare costs, and agree with the GOP on that issue. Unfortunately, I can not vote for the GOP based on their unrelenting push to drive American into a religious-based theocracy, paving the way to fascism. And I would never be so foolish as to believe that Republicans support small government, based on the fact that they strive to infuse more government in our bedrooms, marriages, bodies, and personal lives.

It's a shame that there is no viable alternative for those who want a moderate amount of fiscal conservatism, yet also want liberal social policies to keep the government out of our personal lives. There used to be Republicans that supported this... but they have all moved to the extreme right, forcing their religious theocracy and morals on those who wish to be free of their failed ideology.

mguy,

Political parties change over time. In the 90's, the Republicans were largely focused on smaller-government, and less on social issues. During the last decade (after many of the 1994 crop left), they switched to being focused on social issues and defense spending. I think the new crop is more like the 1994 group - they are largely focused on smaller government.

Yes, there are still some religious zealots in there (just as their are environmental zealots in the Democratic party), but overall, the focus seems to be on getting deficits under control and reducing the size of government.

Spider,

Please explain how it was an azz kicking when Walker beat Barrett by the same % as last time but Walker spent $7.50 to every $1.00 that Barrett spent.

Good thing the people in Racine were paying attention.

I really, to some degree find it hypocritical that Walker and Ryan, who seem to stand by their guns, endorse Romney? They seem more in tune with a Ron Paul philosophy.

A Governor who is under a Criminal investigation and is the only Polititian who has a criminal defense fund, AND the State of Wisconsin, KEEPS him. Unbelievable Wisonsin! You should be proud about electing more criminals who pass laws and regulations through closed door meetings, without even a full vote.

What this Governor has done is Criminal. He is using huge dollars from the Koch Brothers and the Koch brother were able to BUY another election.

Wisconsin is already 49th in the Country for jobs!! And, there is a race to the BOTTOM. Good luck people of Wisconsin, there will now be MOSTLY mimimum wage jobs left at Burger King, to make your living at. Incredibly STUPID.

Political parties strive to get their members elected. To this end, they try to discover what stance will get the most votes. It's not all that easy, sometimes they have to pick a course and see what happens.

The trick is to watch the results and go with the flow. The democrats have not been paying enough attention, lately.

Yeah john, the republicans are going into a presidentil election with an obama clone, they are not listening.

Ron

I have not seen any indication that the "new crop" is more like the 1994 group, if anything they seem to be taking their zealotry to even greater extremes. The Tea Party, more specifically, is the cause of this problem. The immediate focus on legislating social issues, upon gaining control of the House, is proof of this.

I wish you were correct, unfortunately the evidence on both federal and state levels does not seem to support your assertion.

citizens united working perfectly. he outspent his challenger between 7 and 10 to 1.

be proud koch, be proud.

sirie – Yes, it is hard to know which way is which when folks have their heads is up their arse. But seriously, forward is the opposite of backward, gawd.

Nerm_L

One indisputable fact from the Wisconsin recall election is that Wisconsin experienced record voter turnout - the vote was not suppressed. Only motivated voters cast ballots.

Yes, but it is the same divide, just in larger numbers. What it shows is not only the huge amount of outside money = negative ads, or for that matter shenanigans like Walker's RoboCalls the day before the election, this shows the power of the rightwing Echo Chamber that is FIXED News and Hate Radio.

FIXED News never reported on the Congressional interrogation of Walker, with Walker admitting he did not campaign on stripping bargaining rights, and admitting that stripping bargaining rights would do NOTHING to save money and balance the budget. I'll bet most rightwingers in Wisconsin never heard the tape of Walker talking on the phone to a fake David Koch, or the video of him talking about his divide and conquer plan. Heck, I'll bet most aren't aware of the John Doe investigation and wondering where the money is coming from for his defense fund.

The money from galizzionares (who want more profit from cheap labor, because they don't have enough money already) is bad enough, but how do you get around the rightwing propaganda machine?

Mark L-464288 – Fine to disagree, but parroting rightwing lies is NOT acceptable. To your new question – Let's say Teapublicans really did have job creation solutions other than the old failed voodoo economics on steroids. Wouldn't any "growth plan" need to have investment and a way to fund that investment?

You are making yet another fallacious argument, and only admitting that the GOP/TP has NO solutions. It is very simple, and so simple even low-information voters can understand – Stop corporate welfare, stop redistributing wealth up to the 1%, stop privatizing profits and socializing debt.

If we returned to the tax rates of Clinton, and returned to time of peace (no war), and returned to a time of Glass-Steagall and the Fairness Doctrine and Senate rules that prevented the filibuster, and most of all returned to a time of unity and cooperation, we could return to prosperity.

Rod_Father -- Thanks for answering that idiotic question about how Walker could win by the same margins -- Duh, with a sh!t load of money and lies. But with the loss of a majority in the State Senate, and ongoing John Doe investigation, he's toast for the rest of his term, and that IS victory for the Dems.

How come Walker isn't investigating VOTER FRAUD now? Oh,... Its not voter fraud when YOU win only when you LOSE.. ; ] Hmm

The only thing the gop in Wisconsin has proved is that they are great campaigners, they are not good at governing. You see even when you belong to one party it is still your DUTY to represent all people and Walker has not done that at all. But he won. Even with an indictment looming..

Moral Christian gop? Really? Hmmm. For the same reason they all now support Mr. Romney..

Cheers

While some might agree that the reason for the recall was weak, everyone should take notice that Wisconsin voters can be bought. The millions of dollars dumped into that race is shameful and Wisconsin voters should be feeling the shame, not the Dems.

True Patriot you just won the game. Thank you sir.

Flawless victory.

Because the DOJ sent hundreds of workers to make sure their wasn't any fraud, remember?

Um, do you folks think that votes can be bought?

Do you think that getting free food, medical care and housing would do it?

True.....How true! Pretty simple explanation, but will be to deep for the fox news watchers.

Why were Walker cronies using robocalls to Dems and saying since they signed the petition they do not have to vote because signing the petition automatically counted towards their vote? FRAUD!

Personally I think they had the recall election because the Dems are racist against whites...they just can't stand to see a white man in office...just like the repubs can't stand to see a black man or woman in office...now we have proof both sides are racist and it has nothing to do with politics or political views.

With the Wisconsin Senate back in the Democrats hands, Walker will get nothing done because he's effectively been stopped. Not to mention he'll not have that kind of money in his next race.

Walker spent over $200 per vote.

True Patriot

Mark L-464288 -- Uh, no. It was the same 7 point margin it was last time around. Puleeze!

Wrong again - The margin was barely 5 and the turnout yesterday was much higher. Translation this was a big win for Walker, because high turnouts usually translate to republican losses.

mowdy5gs

Kind of hard to prove voter fraud when all you have to do is walk into the poll and register. That makes an improved 7 point margin even bigger.

Tonight, we tell Wisconsin, we tell our country and we tell people all across the globe that voters really do want leaders who stand up and make the tough decisions," Walker said Tuesday.

Unfortunately, those voters will be waiting a long time for those leaders. And by the way, if you and your crop of short-sighted cronies were "leaders who make the tough decisions," how come you plan (and in some cases have) cut billions from social programs for the middle class while giving tax breaks to the wealthy??? Wouldn't a tough decision include telling the "job creators" to take a hike???

Eric-913730

Democrats need a plan to reduce deficits that include cuts and raising revenues. If the only plan is a Republican "no holds bared" plan then people will vote for it.

There are. There's Simpson Bowles, the Progressive Caucus budget, and a whole list of others. They just don't get covered....

Mark L-464288

True Patriot, time will tell...I think you may be eating your words come November...but like I said time will tell, and I may end up eating mine.

The GOP/TP's gain is your pain. Don't reward betrayal. Throw the Teapublicans out! Pass the president's Jobs Act and the 5-point plan now. Then FORWARD from there!

And where does the money come from to pay for this? And how does this differ from the original stimulus plan, but just a different shiny name...

I believe that the funding comes from a small surtax on millionaires, while this package differs from the original bill in part because obviously it is smaller, would provide a regulatory overview, establish a wireless network for public safety, modernize and refurbish hundreds of thousands of private homes and 35,000 public schools and community colleges, work to protect the jobs of local public workers, $50 billion in infrastructure spending, and an addition $10 billion in an infrastructure bank to raise private capital to fund a large infrastructure rebuilding plan. Some of the things are new, some are old, but they are estimated to create between 1.3 million to 2 million jobs, which would be a huge boost to the economy.

Jan-318400

To all Dems/Libs: We kicked your a$$ in 2010 and now with this recall. Obama is a One-Term Blunder and November 2012, he will be out! We, the little people, have had enough of government take-over and we are sending you a message loud and clear. Also, the Tea Party is NOT dead! Socialism will not be tolerated in the USA.

Okay, hold on a minute. You don't like socialism. Alright, sounds reasonable. Then, I suppose, you'd prefer to stick it out on your own the moment that you turn 65, or if you become disabled or unemployed. Funny how you Tea Party folks say that small government made this country great, even though it was big government (via the New Deal) that gave us the biggest economic expansion in the history of this country. You claim to have America's best interests at heart, and yet to accuse the president of treachery and being a socialist by assailing our allies in Europe for their "entitlement society." You wanna know something???? EUROPE RULES. They are better than us at education, at healthcare, at social programs, at economic equality, at economic policy; pretty much everything. Apparently, SOCIALISM IS GOOD. Now I'm not saying that we should copy everything they do, but our friends in London, Paris, Berlin, and Helsinki have shown that socialism and big government do work, in healthy doses. Pure capitalism only favors the wealthy; pure socialism favors nobody. If we simply reformed education along international standards, abandoned the inefficient private healthcare system that we have and socialize it, and start working on economic policies that favor the MIDDLE CLASS and the poor instead of the wealthy, like raising taxes and spending money on important programs. And by the way, it seems pretty suspicious how the decline of private sector unions has coincided with the decline of the middle-class' ownership of wealth in this economy, doesn't it???

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

The really sad part of all of this is how much money this recall election costs the state. I think the money spent on this election could have been put to better use.

This just goes to show how several hundred signatures can cost the taxpayers millions of dollars, that otherwise need not be spent, or lord forbid pay down some deficit.

It doesn’t matter whether you are a Democrat, Republican or a Calathumpian, one thing remains the same, the gravy train must be decoupled and the “hand out” mentality stopped. Someone always has to pay for living beyond our means, we all have to. So let’s not destroy the future of the new generations to come by thoughtless behavior and greed.

In this environment I hope Walker can deliver the changes required to keep the sails full.

This just proves that given mountains of cash even a crooked cross-eyed yes-man can win a state election. If Barrett had a 7-1 advantage in funding he would now be governor. I laugh when I hear conservatives ignore the fact that some democrats object to the recall election, Walker had a huge advantage in funding, and the fact that Barrett essentially had three weeks to run his entire campaign. I think conservatives should be a little worried that the election was this close when they had so many advantages.

In this environment I hope Walker can deliver the changes required to keep the sails full.

Walker will probably be lucky if he doesn't end up in jail before his term is up. Let's face it, he's the kind of guy that would do anything to help his ambitions to power.

Walker and the republican party outspent the dems 7 to 1.....I would have been more surprised if Walker had lost considering the money spent for this election..now consider..Romney and the rest or the republican party is wanting to do the same thing for the office of president..I guess that office is also up for sale to the highest bidder.....whether or not anyone wants to admit it..the average citizen is going to pay the price....the middle class, who built this country by their hard work...are or will be the biggest losers if the republican agenda survives. Just how far does social security have to be cut,,or medicare or medicaid..or education..I have not heard any politican saying they want their own pay reduced any..just everyone elses..

Ivan just out of curiosity were you this bothered when Barry out spent Mccain 5 to 1 breaking all sorts of records for Wall Street backing?

Mark L-464288

...I think the Republican's are more apt to give a hand-up...

Please tell us all about this incredible, fascinating program to give folks a hand up. Is it a good education? Jobs? Maybe infrastructure? Affordable health care? Please, how exciting, we all can't wait to learn more about it!

jri37 -- Aren't you bothered by the GOPee Wee Herman "I know you are, but what am I?" false equivalency? Does it never end?

TheOverlord

I think conservatives should be a little worried that the election was this close when they had so many advantages.

Agreed. But ssshhh, let them eat, drink and be merry...

Walker won! again.... get over it already, the PEOPLE have spoken, lol. what ever non sense you have to spew for 1 or the other is wasted breath till next slamming.... i mean election for governor. if its working, he'll get elected again. and you will continue to bite the hand, that at least attempts to keep feeding you, vs unemployment.

HD did the same thing, gave the employees a choice not long ago. it is what it is, take it, or leave it.

As far as Citizens United its laughable those who support it and use it. The same argument the Walkers in the gop use against Unions apply to the ruling. You see as a corporation you are not a person you are MANY all the way down to the lowly worker bees. And they are helping the owners or board members money that they are USING without asking those workers, to contribute to a political party one way or the other.. ; ]

Also if a rich owner is using is or her own PERSONAL wealth under the guise of there corporation isn't that simply personal income transferred under the guise of corporate earnings which in turn commits fraud? Hmm. Indeed. All those workers who do not have a say in what there owners do with the cash they helped earn the company.

But some how that is a person one person one vote one voice? How? All the ruling was and is is the justice's on the right side TRYING hard to remain viable in elections by purchase power. Capitalism in politics which is not at all what it is meant to be or the law would NOT have stood for 65 66 years would it? Hmmm.

So in turn those worker bees are laves to a corporation funneling money to people they may not support so the owners can buy there way into new laws like right to work that NEVER benefit workers but only benefit the owners. How? Because they tell you what you will make not what you are worth there by rendering you WORTHLESS. Under achieved under paid the rigged system in full effect.

Yet uneducated people JUST happy to have a job are simply that and have NO ambition to raise there own quality of life. Just happy to slave away for cents on the dollar. PA THET IC. ;]

Cheers

Um mowdy, are you saying that you are educated? From what state did you receive your education, may I ask?

Um, starting, um, with um means um,... Well. Um.. Hmmm Hm. Um. Well. Um. ; ]

Cheers

Soon there will be no Conservative Compassionate Republicans left... only the throw grandma under the Bus Republicans will survive.

Say independent jim, what about the california pension vote? Did you say republicans, what, all two of them?

Gee Eric, that's really one hell of an effort to spin the dandy ass kicking the GOP gave the Dems.

Ass kicking? The final tally was 53% to 46%. Don't know where you live, but that ain't no ass-kicking where I come from. The point was made, and Walker would do well to listen to it, this isn't any mandate from the people. He can either reach out to all the people in the state or continue to live with only the approval of a little more than 1/2 the people in the state. One slight misstep and he could be gone anyway.

To True..., and a handful of other lefties who are hanging you hats on the JD investigation to remove Walker, I give this free and valuable advice, "Don't hold your breath waiting for an indictment". since you guys don't know the facts, let me tell you.

1. The investigation was initiated at Scott Walkers request.

2. He IS NOT the target of the investigation.

3. In 2 + years the investigation has uncovered nothing that links Walker to the actions of 6 associates that worked for Scott prior to him becoming governor.

4. I bet you didn't know that Tom Barrett's wife was caned for doing exactly the same thing as what got the Walker aids in trouble. Give credit to Walker for not calling out Tom on the blatant hypocrisy of the Barrett ads, rife with innuendo that Walker is guilty.

5. The DA in charge of the investigation is a democrat who had a "Recall Walker" sign in his yard. No conflict of interest there no sirree.

I'll bet any takers the investigation is closed within 30 days now that the recall is over.

Sees Thru Gloss confused himself with his own sentence (keep it short enough for your brain to be able to handle it next time).

He seems to begin the sentence with an attack on rightwingers, but then blames them for the liberal over-reach and recall attempt.

"choosing to make a state legislative issue a gubenatorial impeachment issue to begin with"

Yes, moron, it was stupid of the libs to make the collective bargaining change, passed by the legislature, into a gov impeachment/recall issue.

The thing about policy change is it takes awhile to see the results. Sure Walker was touting figures pointing to success, yet, we won't really know till the next election.

Regardless, Americans are used to letting those elected have their shot and then replacing them in the next election if they haven't done a good job.

It's interesting the Walker's rhetoric during the election closely followed Obama's.

Walker can back his numbers up. You have Barry making statements like he is not a "spending" president. See the difference?

Wlaker didnt back his numbers up LMAO! man you're suckers!!!

Obama backed his numbers up with non partisan data from different sources. Walker used accounting tricks to balance the budget and it's going to cost Wisconsin...and the feds STILL havent backed his claim that the numbers are final with jobs data --even though he's 47th in the country in job growth and somehow You all think thats doing great. lol Hysterical!

his balanced budget is on the backs of Wisconsin's children ,thats sooo responsible ! /s

Im so glad you dont give two @!$%#s about you children and are already sucking them dry. How noble of you.

see the truth?

Google GDP graph and Jobless claims graph, and you'll see back up for Obama's numbers.

How about a DOW that started at 7000 and is at 13000.

President Harry Truman in 1948: "The Republicans … will try
to make people believe that everything the Government has done for the country
is socialism. They will go to the people and say: "Did you see that social
security check you received the other day—you thought that was good for you,
didn't you? That's just too bad! That's nothing in the world but socialism. Did
you see that new flood control dam the Government is building over there for the
protection of your property? Sorry—that's awful socialism! That new hospital
that they are building is socialism. Price supports, more socialism for the
farmers! Minimum wage laws? Socialism for labor! Socialism is bad for you, my
friend. Everybody knows that. And here you are, with your new car, and your
home, and better opportunities for the kids, and a television set—you are just
surrounded by socialism! Now the Republicans say, 'That's a terrible thing, my
friend, and the only way out of this sinkhole of socialism is to
vote for the
Republican ticket.'" And that was 64 Years Ago!!!, the republicanCrimeCartel is still doing the same exploitation of people THEY ARE NOTORIUS FOR. Now, according to KingGeorgeTheVacuumBrained, it is called "free market" capitalism; with families in the streets and 21% Unemployment.......

Remember Fellow and Sister Americans: A vote for ANY republicanCrimeCartelSoldier, Rommel, is a vote Against Yours and Your Family's WellBeing

Oh Phantombeast....Kaloo, Kalay,...Oh frabulous day,....He chortled in his joy!

Coyotehunter

...please, at least consider quoting Carroll correctly. You can google the phrase and copy paste. At least try to appear as though you have some knowledge to go along with your "wit"

...here, I copied it from wikipedia for you...

O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

-Lewis Carroll

Then, the next thing to do is give credit to the author...

"Superpatriot136" said:

" we have been given a mandate in wisconsin! eliminate obummer's union socialist labor rights! eliminate his socialist communist obamacare! eliminate the feds! let the states rule!!!! kick out every last one of the librels they are not americans anything public deserves the big boot to end all death blows! the voters in Wis ruled that GOD is on our side!!!!!! let freedom rein forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

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S.P.136 ...are you kidding?

This recall isn't a mandate. Far from it.

The Democratic Party of Wisconsin had an opportunity here and they screwed it up. They made assumptions about the public and assumed that because 1 million people signed this recall petition, that anger would carry them towards a win. They also ran a weak candidate and the sad part is that this candidate was the strongest of the bunch who ran in the recall primary.

The other mistake they made is assuming that because they choose to take the "high ground", that their opponents are also going to take the high ground. And yet, it never happens. It's almost like a co-dependent relationship.

Did money have anything to do with this? Yes, it did. But you can't blame the loss entirely on outside money. The Democratic Party has to own the mistakes they made in this, too.

Time will tell if they actually learn from their mistakes. BOTH parties are seriously out of touch with the rest of the country. For the first time, there are more registered independents than either registered Democrats and Republicans and it is this way for a reason.

You can't "appeal to the base" and hope that the middle picks a side. It doesn't work that way. You have to try and appeal to the middle and hope you were persuasive enough to get them to come to you. The "base" on both sides is out of touch with the mainstream in this country.

I say all this as a registered independent who tends to vote democratic. I followed this story because it started when I still lived in Wisconsin and I wanted to see how it ended up. While the Democrats usually get my vote, they'd better watch it because they could very well lose my vote. And if Republicans want my vote in November, they need to show that they can "play well with others".

This wasn't a vote strictly along party lines. Far from it. Wisconsinites are a pretty independent bunch. I know because I'm originally from there.

Someday in the future -(If the Republicans rule the land) "Remember the good old days when we had a life"

Careful what you people vote for, you may regret it.

But it may be to late already. The Republicans already have people convinced they can make things better.

Review your history,(It Repeats) confirm the facts before you vote on something. If the Republicans take over you may not like results.

and the feds STILL havent backed his claim that the numbers are final with jobs data --even though he's 47th in the country in job growth and somehow You all think thats doing great. lol Hysterical!

Chuck...., better pay closer attention to the news, last week the BLS confirmed the Walker numbers were wrong. In fact there were about 200 more jobs than 35K Walker claimed. It might also interest you to know the unemployment rate in WI is 6.6%, lowest in the Midwest, when you consider the standard for full employment is around 4%, there isn't too far to go, so you are right job growth will be slow. Now that Walker is elected, businesses will begin moving here, and the ones already here will add more workers. I'm glad that your happy for Wisconsin's success.

You can buy anything when you outspend your opponent 7 to 1. He is bought and paid for by corporate America.

That's funny, because its false. Wisconsin does not have surplus.

Look at their debt clock. It keeps going up.

Nice try.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-wisconsin-debt-clock.html

Lene:

Just how do those sour grapes taste? Face reality...the people of Wisconsin simply thought that this recall was a bad idea....and they were right.

Laker Steve

"turned it into a surplus"...

you sir are telling a major falsehood....and you know it!

The silver lining in the recall is that the Senate in Wisconsin flipped to the Democrats.

I would take this in Wisc and Mich over whats going on in Cali or Ill.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/walker-projects-state-will-have-million-budget-surplus-by/article_d97f4674-9af0-11e1-9793-0019bb2963f4.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04/michigan-surplus-1-billion-revenue-higher_n_1183937.html

Lene, you don't want to change the political flow of money yet. Obama continues to amass record setting amounts of money for his reelection campaign. Or are you just saying conservatives should not be able to amass funds?

A "surplus" doesn't refer to whether or not a state has debt (accumulated over decades) ... but to whether or not the state took in more revenue than it spent in the near term.

Just as it would be unfair to blame Obama for not erasing the national debt overnight (of course no chance of that happening in any case), it would also not be fair to blame Walker for not eradicating Wisconsins debt in a year or so.

To post a surplus for a given year is always a good thing.

How come no one mentions the corruption charges against Governor Walker in Wisconsin, including the theft of funds intended for Veterans?

Spending hasn't increased under President Obama, and in some cases actually decreased; and as far as the credit rating, that was caused by the Tea Party GOP obstruction.

because its all lies dave-colo. its a witch hunt by loony libs. the one doing the witch hunt will end up gettig sued and sent to jail for lies.

the nation will follow this trend of keeping "cost cutting" republicans in office. It's a plan by grand design, tax the middle class into oblivion, take away any bargaining rights, pay our teachers even less than we do now to ensure dumbing down the graduating classes, do away with low-cost college loans, all insures a beefed up voluntary military. Then we can offer the tax breaks where they belong, with the ultra-rich minimum wage job creators and we can get our war back on! Who needs a middle-class anyway, make them all poor and then they don't expect any entitlements.

Lake Steve,

Time for ROMNEY to fix OBOZO's mindless spending and credit rating decline in the same manner

The President has actually decreased government spending as has been posted numerous times recently. Also, the credit rating decline was due to the inability of Congress to do anything but bicker:

As for Romney being able to "fix" anything, I've yet to see his plan. Eric Fehrnstrom this week on Romney's so-called "plan"

"He’s for the Ryan plan. He believes it goes in the right direction. The governor has also put forward a plan to reduce spending by $500 billion by the year 2016,” said Fehrnstrom. “In fact, he’s put details on the table about how exactly he would achieve that. So to say he doesn’t have a plan to — a plan to restrain government spending is just untrue.”

Which of course made Paul Krugman laugh (as did I).

lene...as opposed to obama as he participates in dinners that cost $35,000 condemning the rich?

How can anyone say that Obama hasn't spent money, are you kidding me, what about TARP? Where are the jobs?

Prober - perhaps you should "probe" a little deeper into your research. The current Obama tax cuts, originated by Bush resulted in massive tax cuts for the middle class - in many cases 50%. By contrast, the evil high income earners saw a 10 percent reduction in their highest marginal rate and a significant shifting of the overall tax burden to higher income earners. Low and middle income earners now pay significantly less in tax (both in absolute dollars and in percentage of the overall tax burden) than during the Regan, Bush I and Clinton years. Higher income earners' highest marginal rates are currently about 10 percent lower than under Clinton; about 13 percent higher than under Bush I and about 25 percent higher than under Reagan.

So, please tell us how the middle class is being taxed into oblivion?

Eric,

You said that previously re the senate flipping to Democrat. Means nothing, as they are done until the November elections, as has been stated in this thread. You keep spinning this "silver lining". Sorry, there isn't one here for you. If you are trying make yourself feel better, fine. Otherwise, take the a$$ whipping like a man and admit you lost.

because its all lies dave-colo. its a witch hunt by loony libs. the one doing the witch hunt will end up gettig sued and sent to jail for lies.

No its not Lt Dipsht

Contradicting repeated statements by Scott Walker that he and his staff instigated the John Doe criminal investigation, a report filed last night (Bice. MJS) substantiates the assertion Walker and top aides stonewalled the Milwaukee District Attorney's office, prompting the creation of the John Doe probe.

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2012/06/01/scott-walkers-office-stonewalled-da-inquiry-into-stolen-veterans-funds-record-shows/

why the defnse fund? he cant have a defense fund funded by campaign donations unless a) he is charged or b) he is the target of the investigation or c) he is illegally transferring money into this defense fund.

which is it?

How can anyone say that Obama hasn't spent money, are you kidding me, what about TARP? Where are the jobs?

Obama did his part exactly as he stated . with data to prove it. Then the GOP lied and insisted they were going to really create jobs so WHERE ARE THE JOBS? back atcha -- they havent done squat to try and help the economy. just enter a few poison pill bills full of tax cuts for corporations only an idiot would vote for.

TARP wass mostly bush's. Remember how you were all trying to take credit for saving the autos and getting back interest on TARP when that was Obamas portion to use ? but bush signed the bill that had zero strings attached and handed it over to the same bankers and crooks the GOP backs today!

Oh yeah I forgot the GOP supporters selective memory problem.

Haven't al lof you figured out that money talks....Obama is supposely going to spend a billion dollars...think he not bought and paid for?
They are ALL bought and paid for, get real. The unions took a beating but they will continue to steal from the hard working members. No one deserves the sort of outrageous pensions that Walker is opposed to. Public sector unions are just a drain on taxpayers. Everyone deserves better wages if they work for it. Unions are taking down large companies...ie.......AMR for starters...GM was bailed out for unions, sure wasn't for the stockholders and bond holders.

spider-737231......you said:

Quote.......Just how do those sour grapes taste?.....EndQuote

You should know....YOU LOST the Wisconsin senate....and, that's on top of your losses in the last recall.

Apparently, regressive moles believe that unless they are all whacked at the same....they've won.

Walker's head is still exposed. Be patient. We will.

Wisconsin is bought and paid for by the Koch brothers. Walker is their patsy. They want to break the unions and take control of the energy municipalities in the state of Wisconsin. Walker will give the Koch's no bid contracts to gut the labor force off of union scales and turn them into right to work.

On the news this mornig it said that the Unions & Democratic party spent 63 million to promote this recall & Walker only spent 45 million. Thats 108 million put back into Wisconsin's economy any way you look at it

Kaloo, Kalay

Oh frabulous day

He chortled in his joy!

Lanikai Ron

Lene, you don't want to change the political flow of money yet. Obama continues to amass record setting amounts of money for his reelection campaign. Or are you just saying conservatives should not be able to amass funds?

Well, why aren't you bashing Karl Rove and the Republicans??? They are raising an unprecedented $1.8 billion to beat Obama, mostly from WEALTHY backers like the bloody Koch brothers. $1.8 billion could easily hire 45,000 construction workers. Besides, at least the vast majority of Obama's funds come from people offering less than $250 in donations.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Lene -

You can buy anything when you outspend your opponent 7 to 1. He is bought and paid for by corporate America

Glad you brought this up!

Barret raised 4 million with 75% coming from Wisconsin or $3 Million.

Walker Raised 30.5 million with 2/3's coming from outside the state, so Walker raised 10 million from inside Wisconsin or 3 times What Barret did.

Here's the other interesting tally. As of last week, The Democrats had spent $46 Million in the effort to Recall Walker and others. Walker and the others spent $44 Million to defend against recall.

Somehow the $90 million could have been much better spent elsewhere.

freshiee, my message was in response to Lene who railed about the money being raised by Walker. All I said was Obama is doing the same thing and that's doesn't bother you. Any politician worth his salt is going to take in as much money as he can get. If you have a problem with that, then it should bother you no matter which party you support. I voted for Obama. He has been a miserable failure and I'll make amends in November. If the current President was a Republican and his accomplishments mirrored those of Obama, I'd be voting Democrat again in Novemebr. If you care about this country, you don't reward poor performance with another 4-year term in office, no matter what party the President is from.

Yep, its a new era. Corporations will soon own the US.

Remember Robocop?

Really, the Koch's can buy Union and Democratic votes that easy??? LOL!

And...... As I said on Monday, I saw 3 buses leaving the UAW union hall on Plymouth rd in Livonia Mi. (they are not back yet because the cars were still there is AM) I saw a blog last evening from someone else in Madison Wi. who witnessed 3 buses unloading people with Michigan plate and wearing SEIU and UAW tee shirts. I would have to say that those were the same buses.

Nobody should have had to spend ANYTHING. You elect someone to govern. Let the guy do his thing for 4 years, then vote him out if you don't like the results. That's democracy.

Do you want Republicans engineering a Recall election every time a Democrat is elected? This could get real ugly. The precedent has been set.

Probably voting for deceased persons on the Democratic rolls . . .

its a good thing holder won't allow id at the voting booths, because me and 65 of my members are going to vote unlimited amounts for Romney. have about 20 different polling places that we are going to. can't wait. we have a $500 prize for the person with the most votes.

Come on, Eric. Don't you know that Robocop was a movie and this is reality? Or do all Democrats look at the world through fantasy goggles?

Lene:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.php

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/

But I guess that's OK, right? Must depend on who is doing the buying. How about each candidate gets the same amount, then all would be fair right? But I deeply suspect you would never get DNC to agree to that.

Yeah lene,coz the people attending those $35,000 dollar a plate fundraisers for Obama are really, really poor.

Voter-in-LA

But I guess that's OK, right? Must depend on who is doing the buying. How about each candidate gets the same amount, then all would be fair right? But I deeply suspect you would never get DNC to agree to that.

Why did the Kochs back Walker with so much money? they dont live there . comparing a natrional race wher the consequences will affect someone to a state race where uh....oh yeah, what could the Koch brothers want with Wisconsin? Gee i wonder if they are just SOO patriotic they just had to back Walker with millions. OR they expect much MORE than they spent in return.

Conservative brains move slower than molasses in the arctic.

its a good thing holder won't allow id at the voting booths, because me and 65 of my members are going to vote unlimited amounts for Romney. have about 20 different polling places that we are going to. can't wait. we have a $500 prize for the person with the most votes.

I don't care who you're voting for, that's a disgusting, unpatriotic, and utterly reprehensible thing to joke about and you should be ashamed of yourself for saying something so stupid.

I don't know enough about Wisconsin politics to say who bought whom, but the more time passes, the more I am convinced that Citizens United was the biggest shot to freedom's gut in my lifetime.

Chuck, and exactly how are the Koch brothers any different than the big dollar DNC supporters? Are you really that blinkered that you don't think JP Morgan supported Obama for a reason? Or do you really think that Buffett has this country's best interest at heart when he spouts off about his tax rate? And how about all those Hollywood stars? They're not using their California dollars to influence politicians elsewhere? Face it, the whole danged system is corrupt and it doesn't matter who is buying whom. The sooner PAC's and SuperPAC's go away the better as far as I am concerned. I will admit there's no doubt in my mind that if it came down to individuals' dollars only that Obama would still be way ahead, but do not for one minute think that big money somewhere isn't helping the DNC cause.

As for your snide last remark, is there a reason DNC lefties always have to throw out insults when they attempt to make a point? I'm glad to be an independent who at least has a brain that functions without having to check what the party-line is I am supposed to be towing.

its a good thing holder won't allow id at the voting booths, because me and 65 of my members are going to vote unlimited amounts for Romney. have about 20 different polling places that we are going to. can't wait. we have a $500 prize for the person with the most votes.

This isn't Holder. I have been voting in California for over 30 years and have never had to show ID. However, I have had to give my first, last names and address and I am checked off of the list. No way I could vote over and over again, unless I take someone else's name and address. But then I would have to know that they have not already been checked off the list.

The Koch brothers alone spent twice the money the entire Tom Barrett campaign spent on this election. This really does not say much for the American people, we should be ashamed but we're not. We happily let a wealthy few pull our strings and we gladly dance to their tune as they screw us over.

Kaloo, Kalay

Oh frabulous day

He chortled in his joy!

Here here.

Great solution.

That is so interesting but you'll never see it happen. It's bad enough they don't make you show proof of citizenship when you vote.

Uhhh Eric, that would be Hear hear....good lawd you libbys are dumb as dirt.

...good lawd you libbys are dumb as dirt.

says the half wit who believes its just great that Wisconsin voted themselves an extra $150 million in debt from the policies of a pathetically easy to spot scammer.

Lt.J.Dangle: You're whats wrong in this country today. Being vindictive won't gain any credibility for you. And without a doubt you must be a Democrat.

Count me in on that.

Where have you been for the last nearly two years? Why haven't you become involved in the Popular Amendment Movement's constitutional amendment petition drive (faircampaignreform.us). If you've been too lazy to go to the site and get involved, here are the two petitions. It does pretty much what you are asking for (just doesn't say "only registered voters".) Note sections 4, 5, & 6 especially.

Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Election Reform

We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.

Election Reform:
1. Abolish the Electoral College (Repeal Amendment 12)
2. ONE NATIONAL primary date to be held on the Tuesday eight (8) weeks prior to the General Election day for Congressional offices and for the President. Candidate petitions must be filed with the local/state elections boards 60 days prior to the Primary Election date. Federal election petitions shall be uniform in every state and shall include a “contract with the voters” that spells out clearly what that candidate stands for on all issues that they may have to address in elected office. They shall be held accountable in court for breach of that contract if elected and any/all terms are not met.
3. NO campaigning allowed for any elective federal office more than 60 days prior to the National Primary Date.
4. NO campaign contribution shall be donated to any candidate of more than $200 from an individual or $500 maximum from a family (spouses/children living in the same household.) No donations shall be made to a candidate more than sixty days prior to the primary date. No candidate shall contribute from their own funds more than 60% of the total donations from other private individuals.
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Young people are the losers here. Children will literally have less food on their plates and less oportunity to advance themselves as they reach adulthood.

The only winners are the Koch brothers and other big corporate interests that want to keep employees in slavery with no way out. Collective bargaining is not the problem. Collective bargaining does not have to be slashed to balance the budget.

@Jack, the unions agreed to Walkers requests/demands -- tough times call for shared sacrifice. Despite the unions making all the sacrifices Walker wanted, it turns out that still wasn't enough. Walker wanted them killed off permanently. The reason was articulated by the Walker camp: unions are generally democratic contributors, and with them gone then future elections would have a new republican advantage. It's a testament to the power and influence in American democracy.

Exactly, the young are the loosers in this race, most are already becoming ok with the idead of no SSI for them, soon they will be ok with no worker rights, vacations, sick leave, or a wage law. They will be ok to live in a state where the flag has the KOCH logo in the corner.

Jack I hate you for you post, not personally but your post it is the worst. You belittle these voters saying this, they voted to keep the one they elected in office that's all no union bosses nothing like that it was they just keep who was elected did you notice what exit poles showed lots of Dems voted for him to so get off unions backs and leave us alone. We negotiate to make our lives better notice i said negotiate not demand, it makes us different from politicians all they can do is nothing.

Let me know what kind of service you get from that municipal employee that is now making minimum wage instead of a decent wage. My guess is they'll probably tell you to go F@#$ yourself and then find another minimum wage job somewhere else. You get what you pay for, union, or not. What kind of education do you think your children are going to get from a minimum wage teacher?

if our kids weren't morons taught by union thugs maybe we wouldn't last in the world in education. its the unions that destroyed our country and children.

The people are the losers here, only the top wealthiest ones won. Yes, the majority voted for Walker - Only because of two reasons. 1) They believed his lies and 2) Democrats did not have a better candidate.

funkster...better do some research before you go on and on about the quality (or lack of quality)of education in the American classroom. Try starting here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/07/us-falls-in-world-education-rankings_n_793185.html

And Liberal california has the highest paid teachers in the nation and we are ranked 48th in the nation educationally. So much for money=better schools, no?

Concerned,

The candidate of choice for the unions couldn't even win the Democratic primary! Please, come up with better excuses than that. They sound childish and petty. And, BTW, the majority of "the people" voted for Walker. Not because they are stupid, being lied to, liked his hair, blah, blah, blah. They thought he was the better candidate. Period.

Lt.J.dangle

if our kids weren't morons taught by union thugs maybe we wouldn't last in the world in education. its the unions that destroyed our country and children.

Well, you always have the option to home school your children. I am sure that you could to such a wonderful job and then you wouldn't have to deal with teachers (Unions) ever again right? Unions did NOT destroy our country and children.

t it was they just keep who was elected

which is stupid, and it's beyond stupid to defend it. Well you fools get what you deserve then.

One thing Wisconsin showed us is that we definitely need more money in education.

Lt Jangle,

Why do you hate America? Chances are real good you're a product of public education. What happened, did you get brainwashed? Unions for teachers came about because people who don't care about education, also known as Republican governors, wouldn't pay what they were worth. This is true of all unions. They existed because of corporate exploitation and downright abuse. I assume you had no problem cutting more taxes from the millionaire, minimum wage "job creators" paid for with the concessions made by the public workers of Wisconsin.

Back when you were in school, funding for education was there and pay steadily rose for good teachers, commensurate with their skill and worth.

Does the LT. mean you were in the military? Didn't learn too much about this country while you were in did you? Did you seek education from the GI bill? Were you involved in our "wars without end amen"?

If America is destroyed, (I don't think so yet), then people who hold your mindset are to blame.

funster01 - please tell what the difference will be between a minimum pay state worker and the state workers we have now? Please tell me how courtesy employees of the RMV are? I hate going to RMV, the rudest, natesiest and usually fattest, laziest individuals I've ever met and their also useless. Another group I love my town hall employees - they close down for lunch and coffee breaks and the office is only open from 8 to 4 daily give me an f en break and I the taxpayer pay for this abuse. F*ckem all - Public unions need to be dismatle tired as the taxpayer support them. The only state employees that deserve their pension are the firefighters and police. They put their life on line for us as far as the teachers and administrators they can earn the same pay as their private counterpart. I'm sick of the teacher union and their bull sh** that they need more money for the children. More money and the graduating classes are dumb as a box of rocks. I graduated 30 years ago and I'm back in school to finish the degree I start before going into the military. It's been 30 years since I've taken a math class so I had to take a refresher class and I'm in a class with kids who just graduated from High School and they can't pass the remedial Math class before they can take a college level class. There was one young lady in class who was taking this class for a second time and she still couldn't pass. I hadn't seen an algebra problem in 30 years but once I was shown the basic concept again I was good to go. Thirty years late and my math skills are still better than today's graduate. I graduate from public school but I went to school before they came up with the Department of Education. I also didn't attend kindergarden; no such thing as k-garden in the sixties. I'll take my public education from the seventy against the bs kids are taught in school today. Please excuse any typos.

If the unions don't work anymore and are obsolete, what about the Republican Party, The Democrats, or the Tea Party. Maybe we should do something about that. It doesn't seem to working anymore either.

Just saying

I remember when Democrats believed in fiscal responsibility. Now they tease the Republicans and Tea Party for supporting it.

I remember when the Republicants and teaParty also supported fiscal responsibility. I think that was when Lincoln was president. The republicans/teaparty will be fiscally responsible, as long as they can cut all social programs, increase military and corporate welfare spending.

@jje

We goof on them because they say one thing then when they get into office they deliver another. Always remember, "Deficits don't matter."

Their lies boarder on pathological. Your problem is that you believe their lies even after they get elected and do the opposite of what they said. It's not our fault you're not very bright.

social programs are for losers. we don't want a country full of losers. the more social programs the more losres we create. we want only rich people living in this country. if your not rich or trying to get rich your part of the problem. die or leave.

Gee dangle, you sure are a vile disgusting "little" fellow. That's a standard conservative remark, "you don't like it, leave or die." Tell you what scum bag, I think we're all going to stay and keep you low life clowns from destroying this great country.

Sorry about you luck Jethro.

False statement yeastcider.

neastsider,

Isn't that the same game plan as Obama's? He has been playing that game for the last three and a half yrs.!

Yeah and if Obama wins we will slowly progress to there being only one class, the poor. I hear that if the presidential election is close in late October, the democrats plan to exhume Bin Ladens' body and shoot him again. MSNBC will cover it live. Tickets are $10K each. Koch brothers are not invited.

Lt.J.dangle

social programs are for losers. we don't want a country full of losers. the more social programs the more losres we create. we want only rich people living in this country. if your not rich or trying to get rich your part of the problem. die or leave.

If I had to give out tickets for all the stupid comments I see on the newsvine, I'd be giving out tickets all day starting w/yours. We only want rich people in this country? LOL are you rich? If so, why don't you go buy an island of your own and move there. Then you can start your own country do whatever you please. The rest of us 99% will stay in America. Social Programs are designed to "HELP" Americans, not be a way of life. I

Then explain 3rd generation welfare recipients - sounds like a way of life to me.

Lt.J.dangle,

You might want to check your writing skills a bit. You're terrible. You don't use capitol letters when appropriate, spelling, punctuation, sentence structure are all below forth grade level. Let's face it, you are NO word smith.

Here is a suggestion. If you use any word processing program, it will assist you in these tasks and make your writing a little better.

Just trying to help.

jje68048

I remember when Democrats believed in fiscal responsibility. Now they tease the Republicans and Tea Party for supporting it.

Last time I checked, budget-breaking tax cuts for the wealthy that are partially (not completely) offset by massive cuts to social programs that benefit both the middle class and the poor.

Lt.J.dangle

social programs are for losers. we don't want a country full of losers. the more social programs the more losres we create.

What the hell??? How could you post such bull@!$%#??? Social programs do not disproportionately favor the poor; they favor the middle class. Every heard of Social Security and Medicare??? They're the majority of the federal budget, and they tend to favor the middle class more. I believe that you are a beneficiary of social programs: SS and Medicare will help you when you retire. Don't want government handouts??? Fine; just send the check back and work for the rest of your life.

we want only rich people living in this country. if your not rich or trying to get rich your part of the problem. die or leave.

Are you @!$%#ing kidding me??? You remind me of the racist nativists of old. Only rich people ought to live here??? So apparently you're willing to throw out nearly 300 million Americans just because they aren't wealthy??? That is heartless. And by the way, many Americans, although wanting to be rich, don't have the resources or the opportunities to get rich. Some are just comfortable where they are, like my father. That man emigrated from war-torn Lebanon in the 1970s and came to America with high hopes and expectations. Here he made a living and was able to create a family and have a successful career as an electrical engineer in the great state of California. He owes much to this nation, and he's comfortable where he is right now. But after he came here, and during his time here, he has seen how America has lost it's way; how our foreign policy is messed up, especially. He instilled in me the authority-questioning attitude and the searching and support of radical change that I now possess. You are exactly the reason why this country is in such a mess; because some people (the wealthy or those who worship the wealthy and do their bidding) are pursuing a narrow-minded policy that ONLY benefits the elite and sticks it to the rest of us. You are a disgrace to this country. Don't like our social programs??? Don't take from them and don't expect them to help you in your hour of need. Maybe you'd like a country WITHOUT social programs??? How about Somalia????

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Just goes to show you that our politics just goes to the highest bidder!

Yeah, in fact, they're pretty much ALL European.....and they still can't figure out why the Latinos in the border states are mad at them....

Geesh, DB17 - I live in a border state, and the real reason Latinos don't trust the GOP is all of the outright lies and scare tactics of the left. You would know that if you could hear the things the Dems say every day here.

Kaloo, Kalay

Oh Frabulous day!

he chortled in his joy...

no, the dems claimed victory. but the republican didn't claim defeat. a recount is underway.

If the unions go away, you will lose all your benefits and half your salary.....oh, the righties thought their employers gave that to them based on merit, and laws that can "never change".....think again....

right on DB17... if they still have good jobs in a "right to work state", it's only because it ain't their turn to downsize, downscale or make concessions.....YET

dgeding nor do i like people with a iq of 10 voting on the people who are to represent us libs 10 gop 10000

I think it is important to remember angry and abusive and insulting rhetoric is devisive no matter what a persons political views. Both liberals and conservatives must remember that just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you have the right to try and shove them out of the political discussion.

Both liberals and conservatives must remember that just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you have the right to try and shove them out of the political discussion.

why do you people keep posting this crap. this isnt about differences of opinion. This is about the perpetual lie fest the GOP and the conservatives have been on for thirty years. Its destroying our country.

Look at the stagnant wages and the increased production by fewer people and ask why that is?Why its allowed and which party keeps backing the policies that continue the redistribution of wealth while redistributing wealth to themselves and those few they represent.

The Republican LIE they LIE all the time. It been proven time and time again using their own videos that FOX lies and the sheep repeat everything they say --therefore they are lying.

it is not a political difference to oppose LYING and deception. its MORALLY RIGHT!

Chuck,

You are incorrect. First Amendment says so. People can discuss whatever they want whether you agree with them or not.

I grow tired of people on the right and the left who believe they are on some moral crusade to stop some group from destroying thier vision of America. Using hateful, abusive, confrontational, or even violent rhetoric is going to do nothing to help solve our problems. Again though I may simply be nieve.

No way we're on the way to a one party stsyem - didn't you notice the 43% Wacko Americans who voted against walker? Those crazies will be with us for a long time.

dgeding - No, you definitely aren't "nieve" (spanish for snow). You may be naive, however, if you truly can look at the situation and not see that the Dems are actively working to destroy the Constitution. That I will be confrontational and violent about. You can't sit on the wall when our basic liberties are being taken away.

Whatever-4

dgeding - No, you definitely aren't "nieve" (spanish for snow). You may be naive, however, if you truly can look at the situation and not see that the Dems are actively working to destroy the Constitution. That I will be confrontational and violent about. You can't sit on the wall when our basic liberties are being taken away.

This is the source of my confusion and frustration. You do realize that your political opponants claim the same thing, that Republicans are actively trying to subvert the constitution and our democracy.

We go down the road of solving our differences through confrontation and violence, we are never coming back from that.

oh yes David, be sure and vote for Mitten... he's real, you can tell that by all the different versions of stories he tells

prober you should talk after all thw lies the lier in chief has told prober see ya in nov we are about to fire the biggest pos this country has ever known

prober you should talk after all thw lies the lier in chief has told prober see ya in nov we are about to fire the biggest pos this country has ever known

The only lies were the ones your English teachers told about having a degree.

What a refreshing thought. People running for political office, Telling people what they are going to do if they get elected, and actually doing it.

Seems to me that President Obama has been trying to do just that from the get-go, only unlike Walker he has an opposition party in congress that would rather obstruct to score cheap political points than try to get things done. Anyone in congress not doing their jobs in favor of playing politics should be voted out. Congressmen and women from both sides are guilty.

Boy, Tony, you really haven't been paying attention, have you. Obama lied about virtually everything prior to his election - from support for recognizing the Armenian Genocide to "transparency". Not to mention his being against gay marriage (and then claiming a magical "evolution" of thought to get more gay votes).

LOL, really? Of all the things you could legitimately complain about, you bring up the Armenian Genocide issue? Yeah, let's hold every nation on earth's feet to the fire for stuff their ancestors did a hundred years ago and see how much political capital they give us, especially our allies whose goodwill we need to let us continue to use their airspace to support or military efforts overseas. THAT makes PERFECT sense...

As for "transparency" you need look no further than the previous administration to see what real lack of transparency looks like. No government publishes all their secrets because the ones that do have a funny way of vanishing from existence when their enemies take advantage of that information. If you don't think government is more transparent now, then you haven't been paying attention.

As for the same-sex marriage view, I don't have an argument to prove that Obama isn't a liar; at the same time, I don't have an argument to prove his view didn't "evolve" either. Here's the kicker though: Obama isn't pushing for legislation on same-sex marriage despite never bringing it up in his original election campaign like Walker did on collective bargaining, which is what this discussion was originally about. More importantly, my vote in this election isn't going to be based on which candidate does or does not support gay marriage, plus neither candidate is harping on it and it seems to me we have more pressing issues to focus on.

Don't want me to vote for Obama? Then give me a better alternative. While I have no doubt that Romney's a decent fellow who loves his family and his country, that doesn't make him any different than the President. Romney's tendency to drift whichever direction the political winds are blowing at any given moment doesn't inspire any confidence in me -- if anything, it does quite the opposite -- and I have yet to see anything substantive from the man regarding why he'd make a better president, just empty rhetoric and equally empty platitudes.

LOL DB, wondered the same thing myself, you beat me to the punch!

Are you sure you didn't mean to use past tense. What they "were" for.

I believe there is a definitive distinction between "Private" Sector unions and "Public" sector unions. Its one thing for a private sector union to advocate better working conditions, benefits etc. based on the type of work, when negotiating with the executive staff or board of directors of a company.

Its a whole different story when a Public sector Union buys elected Officials by getting them elected then goes to the Negotiating table with the very same officials they just helped get elected.

You also forget that many of the things the unions used to fight for in the past are now codified in State and Federal laws, 40 hour work weeks, overtime pay, lunches and breaks, Family emergency medical leaves, Maternity leaves, safe working conditions, protection for military service, anti-discrimination laws, laws against age bias, Americans with Disabilities Act, Minimum Wages, etc.

Gee David - I don't see the problem. In fact, as you describe public sector unions it sounds like perfect harmony to me. One hand washes the other and then both hands pick our pockets. It's the new American Way. I'm quite proud of our Wisconsonianite friends... it was a great turnout. A lot of very wealthy people from other states paid plenty for those votes and they certainly got their money's worth.

David Noah: Keep in mind that anything in law can be changed. Minimum wage laws and health and safety laws and regulations can easily be changed. Watch for new campaigns against these "anti-competitive relics of the past", which are keeping American corporations from competing on a level playing field versus the low-wage companies abroad.

yes David and "codified" simply means law, which of course can and will be repealed as soon as there are no labor organizations to lobby for them

Collective Bargaining was codified in State law, that changed. Are you sure the others can't be changed? Public Employee Unions helped squelch political appointments with new administrations. With no Union to fight the governor what is to stop him from indiscrimanatley firing state workers to he can put his friends and relatives into state jobs. Is it worse for the Union to negotiate with the state for compensation and benefits or for state officials to just appoint people and pay them what they want? In Ohio Governor Kasich fired a lot of people and touted how he saved the state money by having less people do more work. Sounds awesome. However, we found out that he's paying "his" people 2 and 3 times what people were being paid before. Is it better to have 10 people making $50k a year or for 5 people making $150k a year.

Terror Bird

Mafia still running the " unions"? I read Jimmy Hoffa's son leads the Teamsters' Union.

The Koch brothers father worked for Stalin. What's your point?

Terror Bird - private company unions all for them. Public sector union have no place and should have never been allowed in the first place. When the taxpayer who pays for the employess benefits, pension and paycheck dose not have a sit at the bargining table there something wrong with this process. The gravy train is over for public employees.

PDUB - What state do you live in? Here in Massachusetts its common practices for all state politicians to have their relatives and friends working on the taxpayers dime. MA is known for all its hack jobs. I just want to remind you that this state is run by the Dems who are nothing but a bunch of crooks. The last three speaker of the house for our state house have all been fired for corruptions and two of the three are now felonies. We also had a state rep who was caught in a sting stuffing a money down her bra. Aother state rep wife was laundry money (millions) for her brothers for illegeal gambling off-shore and her husband the rep knewn nothing about it. Right - beleive that one. Her brother are known crooks in the state. She got one month house arrest - its nice to have friends in high places. This state is a joke. Governor Patrick has added numerous hack jobs to full all his campaign promises. So please spare me what will happen if there isn't a union; please explain to me how this all happens with a union. Everyone knows to get a union job you have to know someone may without the union the average job can get a state job.

Ohio. The same happens here as well. Please give me the names of the reps so I can check out what your alleging. I've got a few Republican names for you since we're going to call all Democrats crooks: Newt Gingrich, Scooter Libby, Tom Delay.

Terror Bird- I agree, let the fools find out for themselves what happens when unions are gone.

That's the process in the state of Wisconsin. If you don't like it, run for governor of Wisconsin or their state legislature. If you win, then maybe you can have the recall process taken away.

It truly helps when you can have any amount donated to your campaign from outside interest, but your opponents donaters must report anything over a $10,000 donation. Kind of limits the playing field, doesn't it? I wonder who passed that law?

With the corruption charges against Walker now coming out I doubt he'll last till November and the Cheeseheads will have to send him here to Colorado to join his buddy Rod Blagoyavich in prison. And note, too, that the first thing Walker did after this 'victory' was to propose coming law to take away the recall process in Wisconsin. This tool of the rich will end up in prison some day, mark my words!

Are you enjoying a "Rocky Mountain High"? That post makes absolutely no sense to a sober person.

Just because its there doesnt make it right.

Walker was not elected on a platform of breaking the public employee unions. He only revealed this as a way to balance the state budget after he was elected. The recall was based on this deception. If candidates only reveal their radical agenda after they are elected, how do you know who you are electing?

Robert,

Seems the majority of voters there disagree with you. Next issue please.

Robert757A

Anyone here recalls Obama's " Hope and Change" rhetoric? Seems that some Dems have conveniently forgotten all the promises made...and now look at the mess we are all in...does anyone wants to give him another four yrs. to preside over the demise of the once great u.s.a?

The entire process of recall reeked. Walker won the general election fair and square and to recall him because you dont like his policy is disgusting. What the libs did was make every election worthless because if you dont like the winner, you can start a recall immediately. Absolutely pathetic on the part of democrats.

Funny, I don't see things working out that way in California. We had one recall and that's it. Both sides picked up their pieces and moved on. Nobody changed the recall process. We had a decade under a Republican governor who didn't sink the ship but didn't really fix things, either. Life goes on. So it shall be with Wisconsin, I think.

Anyone here recalls Obama's " Hope and Change" rhetoric? Seems that some Dems have conveniently forgotten all the promises made...and now look at the mess we are all in...does anyone wants to give him another four yrs. to preside over the demise of the once great u.s.a?

I absolutely recall it. Seems to me some Republicans have conveniently forgotten that they blocked him from making much progress on fulfilling those promises in the name of scoring cheap political points. I'm painfully aware of the mess we are all in and, more than that, I'm very aware that it looks a hell of a lot better than where we were 4 years ago or where I expected we'd be given the circumstances back then. Given the alternative (Romney) and his blatant pandering and utterly empty rhetoric, I absolutely would give President Obama the opportunity to serve a second term of recovery, even if it is slower than I'd like. The U.S.A. is far from dead, still great, and anyone who believes otherwise just because "their guy" isn't in office is a fool. I've believed that all of my voting life and have yet to be proven wrong.

Hey Tony, if Obama is elected, we will be China.

Soulds like what O bummer did!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Johnny86

Hey Tony, if Obama is elected, we will be China.

I'd glad to be like China, what with it's relatively robust economy, a large manufacturing industry, great education system, and a strong middle class.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Do you need a tissue? Could you save all of your outlandish, emotionally charged, rhetoric for the next IVAW meeting? BTW. Give John Kerry my best.

Ah yes the "Republicans want hurt to the poor and throw Grandma over the Cliff" Argument.

If the Federal Government fails because "Leaders" weren't willing to be honest withthe American people and make the Hard Choices no matter how "Unpopular" before it is too late who do you think are the ones that are going to suffer when there's no money for Welfare, Food Stamps, Social Security Medicare, etc.

At least a "parasite" is smart enough not to kill its host. They know if they kill the host they die also.

Just remember that proud when the state orders a vaginal probe of your granddaughter... that you were for this nonsense..btw...I too am a proud American Veteran!

I too am a proud American Vet... USMC 1971-75. I grow prouder and prouder with each passing year as I witness how much greater and stronger our society has become. Every man and woman who died on battlefields from Concord-Lexington to current day Afghanistan can rest in peace in the knowledge that America is as great as ever and just getting BETTER BY THE MOMENT! With strong, integrity-rich leaders at every level of government showing the way with exceptional vision and purpose! It's the anniversary of D-DAY friends and we couldn't honor those who fell any better than with our current 'we're all in this together' spirit!!! As I look around at the State of our Union and Society I am filled with pride knowing that their sacrifice was not made in vane. Clearly the America of today was worth every drop of blood, every lost limb and fallen comrade! How inspiring. I'm reminded of the words of the great Groucho Marx from the film Duck Soup when he gave the gun to Zeppo and said, "Go out there and fight bravely for Freedonia... sacrifice life and limb... meanwhile we'll stay in here thinking of what a sucker you are!"

The recall was part of the process of the state of Wisconsin. The outcome is disappointing, but the people spoke and voted. Although its interesting how much money the Republicans had to spend there to 'push' their rhetoric. I wonder how much it would cost to actually buy the entire republican party.

Walker did not win anything. Has he taken a pay cut in his own salary? Has he cut his pension benefits or his health care? If he really wanted to make tough choices, he would have started with HIMSELF, but he couldn't do that now could he.

The outcome is disappointing, but the people spoke and voted

How sarcastically magnanimous of you. Of course the people spoke in California but a liberal gay judge over turned the will of the people for the LGBT lobby group. Of course obama didn't help Barret but he is having another fund raiser at a LGBT meeting. Guess thats where the President thinks the real issues are.

I, too, am a proud American Veteran - and I disagree with practically all you wrote.

Okay.. so you can agree to disagree. Can you agree to help focus on the issues facing this nation before we worry about every little special interest group. There are thousands with all of their little needs but I think the larger ones affect us all

Non Sibi Sed Patriae

Liberals holding hands and crying about who spent what money where when it came to the election. I don't recall the conservatives crying when Obama won the election and spent 700mil versus McCains 200mil. I guess you guys only cry when things don't go your way.

Hey, ProudAmericanVet, You hit it right on the head! I am enjoying a Rocky Mountain High. But is it not true that several of Gov. Walker's staff have been convicted of crimes and others are being investigated, including the Governor himself? Is not one of the accusations theft of Veteran's funds?

I tell everyone we're all in this together and this interminable contrived partisan political bull@!$%# only serves to keep us apart - and who benefits when that happens? I could go on and on but must go to the VA hospital today. Isn't that a benefit all veterans have whether on the left or right?

"Peace is our Profession, We bomb for the fun of it" - unofficial motto, US Strategic Air Command.

proudamericanveteran

How sarcastically magnanimous of you. Of course the people spoke in California but a liberal gay judge over turned the will of the people for the LGBT lobby group. Of course obama didn't help Barret but he is having another fund raiser at a LGBT meeting. Guess thats where the President thinks the real issues are.

First... You want to talk about Lobbyist? Let's first talk about how the mormon church POORED MILLIONS into the state of California to even bring up proposition 8. Do not get so high and mighty and point the finger at Democrats or any other lobbyist group without recognizing OTHERs.

Second, we do not vote on who gets civil rights in this country. Its against Amendment #14 to deny basic civil rights in the United States of America. If we are going to vote on who gets civil rights, then I want to vote ON YOUR civil rights and deny you life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Prop 8 has been declared unconstitutional. DOMA has been declared unconstitutional . Denying same sex partners who are federal employees is unconstitutional.

P.S. You are not serving, protecting, and defending the Constitution of the United States of America, when your thoughts are "We the People, Unless You are Gay" is inserted. What a disgrace to the uniform.

"Peace is our Profession, We bomb for the fun of it" - unofficial motto, US Strategic Air Command.

ROTFL... Good one!

Sorry but I do not meet the requirements for VA Services because of the Means Test. Guess a father of four makes too much money for service related injuries.

proudamericanveteran

Maybe we can get President to pass a special bill so that you can get this additional money. I mean, its one of your entitlements right.....

Yeah, we can agree to disagree. As long as we keep a sense of humour the Republic will survive. That said, I don't think it will be long now before one side of us or the other wins the debate. We can either accept the crumbs the super-rich scrape off their table to us, or we can cut the rich down to size. I'm on the side of the 5 billion who have nothing - and nothing to lose - rather than the side of the few thousands of super rich who display only greed, arrogance and condescension. And why I'm at it, Why does Mitt Romney need $250,000,0000? What's he gonna do with it, pile it up in the corner and count it like Silas Marner? While the rest of us starve?

I didn't serve this country during Vietnam War to provide a feather bed for Romney and his ilk. And where where they during Vietnam? We didn't see Mitt Romney there. While my compatriots were fighting and dying in Vietnam Romney was pissing around France avoiding military service as a Mormon Missionary, then it was off to Brigham Young University and another degree. Why wasn't he fighting in Vietnam?

I'm sure your words will be quite comforting to Gov. Walker when he is convicted and sent to prison along with his aids for embezzling donations from a veterans’ organization. What aren’t' these people capable of?

I agree with your reasoning (#17) pav. Upvote to you, sir. As for the rest...

I don't recall the conservatives crying when Obama won the election and spent 700mil versus McCains 200mil. I guess you guys only cry when things don't go your way.

Tell that to the Birthers and the nuttiest of the TP wingnuts. Here it is almost 4 years later and they're STILL crying about the '08 election results.

Why does Mitt Romney need $250,000,0000? What's he gonna do with it, pile it up in the corner and count it like Silas Marner? While the rest of us starve?

I figured he probably keeps it in a giant bin for swimming when he's not fending off the Beagle Boys, but I digress...

dulce bellum inexpertis

No....Pelosi never thought twice about taking the bus to save tax payers money. Be silly to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars just to fly back and forth across the country on a government jet. Why would a democrat need money? They are all so frugal and worried about where their consituents next meal is coming from. Right Nancy?

Beats the LGBT party obama is having right now. Why not tell Obama "you are in"? They need a pivot man. LOL

Why?

If you're so pissed about gay people PAV, tell straight people to stop birthing them. Your bigotry is disgusting. I'm a proud veteran as well and you shame all of us who fought and died for our fellow Americans to have equal rights. Grow up. Different isn't bad or evil, it's just different.

Because the Tea Party want Government to spend money like the rest of us, (spend less then you take in). We are tired of the government spending like a teenager with their parients Credit Card.

How is making teachers unions contribute minutely to their own healthcare and retirement plan = abolished rights? How does making union contributions voluntary abolish rights. Seems like a lot of the Union members in Wisconsin decided they had rather keep their own money.

Ivan: If the union is forbidden by law from negotiating on wages and benefits, then there is little reason to be a member and pay the dues. It's hardly surprising that union membership in Wisconsin is dropping under those conditions.

Ivan, if you didn't pay your health insurance and just assumed that the insurance company would help take care of your bills, how would that work out. If Union members don't have to pay dues and then a conflict arises, who represents the workers. Are they gonna get paid or unpaid time off of work to go and negotiate with the administrations? Who picks up the slack for them? Why would a good teacher stay in Wisconsin to get less pay and more hassle? Firemen, Police, Building Inspector? Most of us can just quit our jobs if we felt like we weren't being treated fairly and go find a different job. You don't want a revolving employment door when it comes to education or emergency services, much less the need for continuity so the public can know what to expect. This union bashing is based in ignorance and short sightedness.

Without police and firemen you have no society. I agree that teachers should be more highly paid. They must undergo a rigorous education and exams...they should be well-paid and we should recruit the best of the best for our children (the future of our country).

Thank goodness for right to work states. If you don't like the pay or benefits, you can look for another job to replace the one you have. I don't need someone else to negotiate these things, I can do it all by myself. As far as the Teachers Union, well our countries education system is in the in the ditch. We are nowhere near the top ten when it comes to education in the world. Maybe it's time to abolish such unions and send education back to the states, privatize it and let competition decide who gets what pay. Keeping failing teachers on the payrole is detrimental to our future. I don't recall fireman and police having been effected.

The revolving door of Union gets paid from taxpayer, Union gives money to Democrat politicians, Politicians giving gravytrain to unions was getting old for the taxpayers apparently in Wisconsin.

Also while I am here, hmm lets see 63 million spent on the election, 34 million spent by the Conservatives..well guess what that leaves 29 million, not 4million.

Wisconsin did the right thing, they have a budget surplus on short term spending and unemployment is down 1%.

Then go back to school, The State government can not make laws for or against Privite unions. They only can make laws affecting the State government Unions. Personally I like the idea of making the choice of joining a union, or not joining. I choose to apply for a job, at a company or government it is because I want to work there, I no not make may choice based on the Union I want to work for.

They didn't ignore the "voices" remember? The "voices ran away and hid in another state when a vote was called.

obamacare?????

Of course I wasn't reffering to the Dem senators, who like immmature children ran away from thier duties because they didn't want to vote on a bill they dissagreed with. I was talking about the thousands of Wisconsin citizens who protested for weeks.

I seems to me that when a large crowd of people assemble like the our leaders should listen to them, even if there is simply no way to accomodate thier demands.

The passage of Obamacare was similar in the respect that there were also sizable groups that protested and felt ignored by thier leaders.

I don't know maybe I'm nieve.

There wasn't going to be a debate and the outcome of the vote was already known. If there had been one more republican senator it wouldn't have mattered where the Dem's were and the Repub's wouldn't have cared. Frankly, I think the only thing the Repub's were upset about is that they were delayed going back on holiday break.

Why when Democrats loose elections, they want the other side to be considerate of their feelings. But when the Democrats are in control they pass things like Obama care, without even asking the other side, and it is ok? Just like it was ok for the South to opress Blacks for a hundred years, and when that ended told them it was the mean Northern Republicans that wanted to opress them.

I know it is impossible for you to admit it. But, here is a slap in the face! Republicans do not make up 63 percent of the population as you contend. Guess its hard for you to accept but obviously the people of Wisconsin are Americans first and party second.

Of course those same idiotic assumptions were made by the DNC about America ... until the 2010 election.

Obama knew he didn't stand a chance in Wisconsin, shame on him he deserted the party and flew right over Wisconsin.

Here's why, geniuses: The Federal government (including Obama) has NO BUSINESS sticking its nose into what was clearly a state affair. Clearly, Obama knew that and, quite wisely and correctly, stayed the heck OUT of it. If anything, states' righters should respect that kind of good judgment.

Then why is he sticking not only his nose, but his whole body in states rights with Obama care? Nonsence. he saw the polls, and didn't want to be seen on the looseing side. So he threw them under the bus.

"Obamacare" isn't a states' right issue; the conservative opposition has tried to make it one as an excuse to keep it from being enacted because they have no leg to stand on otherwise.

Warren

How are the private and public workers fairing in Greece, Italy, Spain, Ireland and Portugal right now? Thats the part you don't get. When you are dealing with a finite system of funds why do some get to play at the expense of others paying?

The issues facing the public perception about unions is not that they are evil. However, they are corrupt, live lavishly among the top few and use extortion and threat to enforce membership.

Why did their membership fall so dramatically of they are "truly representing" the worker?

you do realize the Gov. is watching you, when you say stuff like that in a place thats publicly posted. Where do you think they start investigations that you see on TV when they show the perp walking into jail.

Why should taxpayers pay for your pension and health care? Most of America pays towards their own and it's time Unions realized that we can no longer afford these benefits.

Every time you complain about taxes, think about it. Do you want to keep paying more and more taxes for public employees to have fat pensions while the private sector does not get anywhere near the same benefits? Every time the unions negotiate for more wages/benefits, we pay for it. There is going to be a revolution in this country.

Why should I pay taxes and get nothing in return but crappy health care which is overrated and too expensive with those corporate insurance companies and pay for stupid wars that get us nowhere compliments to the great republican party.

Overthrow Capitolism.... You moron...Must be a gay occupier.

SRAGAN writes,

"Overthrow Capitolism.... You moron.."

Capitolism, not capitalism, WTH! They really need a higher class of trolls on the T'Bagger astroturfing ledger.

And he/she calls someone else a moron, ROFLMAO, oh well at least he/she did not spell moron "moran".

The problem is most government offices are not as productive as their privite counter parts. As bad as it is to go pay a utility bill, try to get a permit for a home improvement. Chances are you will spend 10 times longer and get 10 times less done. I would like the privite sector take over many Government jobs, It would cost the taxpayers less, and if they are unproductive they can be fired.