Mickey,

Congratulations.

Let the thread begin....the evening crowd should be here any minute.

Its on NBC not first read, here comes a whole new crowd ....

Thanks NS...it's a great honor to be here... ;)

Big turnout can mean good news for DEM.

But if DEM wins one of the 4 senate seats, DEM is in charge, and Walker if retained will have a hard time governing, if he still is determined to go 'his way or highway.'

I'm first...FIRST I TELL YOU!

Take that, Spanky!

...like...totally, dude...surfs up, and I can weld! Gnarly

So what's the news? IS Walker staying? What does it matter if you can't tell us who won? WE want WALKER OUT...Even if we have to recount votes as late as 2:00 or 3:00 AM

It's great how you cheer deadlock. Guess Dems are the party of "no" huh Pigotry?

Come on gang - it's over.

Oh and Mickey - it makes me happy that you are happy, so if you get that much satisfaction out of being first, more power to you.

And again, thanks for the suggestion, the Sapphire is tasty.

hey Walker, start walking! You lose, no matter the outcome. The people have spoken and have largely rejected your assault on the middle class. Me thinks you 'll be hearing from the Kock's before too long. They don't like not having a huge ROI.

Hey Tony - tune into MSNBC NOW!

Enjoy amigo, I know I am.

Oh boy, Big Ed is losing it........................

Compared to November this ain't nothing.

NBC already predicted Walker the winner.

The point is -- is it too early to declare without counting most votes?

If so, this is the end of songs for Walker - when you reach the pinnacle, it's downhill - from here onward.

a total blowout...what will you do now Fiesty?

Wow, the post above proves my point. Mrwarmth, the definition of a blowout is not a thin margin victory. So, you win the prize for being just as radical as the person you dislike.

You win the prize, radicals, for needing basic schooling in how to use language. In the meantime, I'll be looking for actual conservatives, as opposed to the faux conservatives who like to claim the title these days.

CNN has given the election to WALKER

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) survived a furious recall campaign on Tuesday, emerging as the victor in a bitter fight over state budgets and collective bargaining rights.

What this article SHOULD HAVE SAID was "Walker trounced his opponent is a half-a$$ed misguided attempt by organized union bosses to recall him."

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Actually the Wis Leg. is in recess. Even if the the Dems take a Senate seat or two, they will probably lose them in November due to redistricting.

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) survived a furious recall campaign on Tuesday, emerging as the victor in a bitter fight over state budgets and collective bargaining rights.

WOOT WOOT!!! America is NOT Brain Dead!!

Oh, Fiesty will be FURIOUS!! Cant wait to see her eat crow for breakfast!!

...at least the recall scared the sh*t out of somebody?

You know it is over when NBC says its over. It usually takes a long time for them to admit defeat of their left wing partisan positions. Where are all those posters that guaranteed the recall of Walker? Flighty Redhead seems to have gotten too close to the flame, she is trying to tell us losing is winning for the democrats.

Final Score: Walker 1, Dems & Unions 0.

The people of Wisconsin have spoken. Now on to November!

The DEMs took a BRAVE STAND, at least!

VICTORY for Walker and his Republicans members of his administration, where are all the Democrats that abandon the State in support of the unions. This is a lesson that Democrats have to learn, many of the incumbents will have to fight for their seat.

This is a sign that people know about the corruption of unions, which I have seen first hand in a closed union shop job I had. Of course government unions and union workers don't want reform, they simply vote themselves people who will give them more money and the circle of corruption continues. We cannot keep doing this, nor can we keep promising large quantities of money to far too many people whom did nothing to deserve it. Union shop work is very similar to communism, exceptional work is not rewarded, hard work is rewarded with MORE hard work and laziness is the default work ethic. I know so, I had a closed union shop job!

Dem can still smell victory in ONE defeat.

This is only the 3rd governor recall.

This is a warm-up for November.

GOP can develop victory fatigue, and overconfidence which is a killer of sorts.

Rumor has it that feisty is now face down on the floor of her favorite truck stop bar. Poor gal just couldn't handle the loss of the union thugs!

Congratulations Governor Walker!

poster said: "It's gunna be a squeeker!!!"

hahahaha , gaffawing , chortling , etc

Sad day in Wisconsin. We're officially a fascist state. With more idiots and brown nosers than not.

Say good bye to all Wisconsin's assets.

This is good news for America. Governor Walker is a good man. Can't wait for November when Odimwit will be voted out. It's going to be fun to watch.

Hey tonybeeerm, you're right, the people have spoken and they spoke against you and the union's extortion of the middle class.

The people of Wisconsin have spoken. A frivolous recall election has gone down the tubes and it looks like Walker will win by 10% or more ! Mr. Walker has been elected again to do exactly what he was doing. In the process, the Democratic Party has suffered an embarassing loss.

Meanwhile. back at the ranch, someone needs to lend Debbie Wasserman Schultz an egg scraper. And big Ed Schultz should be enjoying a fricasse of crow about now ! But then again, he will have some humble pie to make sure he maintains his waistline !!

My congratulations to the 55% or so of Wisconsin voters who showed some common sense !

Americans clearly voted to support common sense spending cuts and a pro-job creation agenda. If I was President Obama or a tax and spend politician, I would start packing. November is coming!

Feisty and her fellow trolls get their lunch handed to them. The people of Wisconsin have spoke and have said enought to bloated unions deals that people can no longer support. The numbers definately do not support a "squeeker". Now we wait to hear that Walker cheated so we can waste more money beyond the recall to support the poor losers. Get over it and start helping Obama.....he's next on the list to be replaced with common sense fiscal reform. Great night for common sense.

Beat down in Badgertown.

What were Dems going to do if they won? Abandon a balanced budget? The choice was simple. Barrett knew it. Obama knew it. The bitter pill has already been swallowed, so why screw it up?

Romney 2012.

This is too ironical. Walker wins in a LANDSLIDE, msn tip-toes past the numbers (he survived), and BO's out west butt touching the gays for their wallets. So who's out of touch with the American people?

GOD save America. Send up a thanksgiving prayer for Americans of fortitude and principle like Gov. Walker!

Bye bye BO adminstration. This collossal American nightmare will be over in November.

Walker wins! No need for a recount! Coming soon...Obamacare individual mandate ruled unconstitutional!

By the way, did anyone else see that Bill Clinton said that the US was already in recession and that all the Bush tax cuts should be extended for at least a year? That's a little different tune than the democratic party is singing.

And the Lt. Gov won also...an absolutely attractive woman. Poor leftylibdems....losing elections, fielding trolls like Warren and Hillary...uggggh. Leftylibdems get all the butt-uglies; Republicans got the babes.

it's George's Bush's fault I know it , mad cow rachel maddow knows it, msnbc knows it, feisty knows it,

LOL

anybody but Obama 2012 " I voted for Obama in 08 "

The main stream media calling an election when people were still voting? How is that possible. Not until the last vote is counted should a winner be declared. Barrett should not have conceded anything imo. Where is that Winston Churchill moment about fighting?

The way things are in this country it is that money speaks and the po folk roll over and play dead, from the look of things. This is the example we are setting to the world? LOL

I do hope this sort of being able to buy a state govt is not a sign of things to come all over the USA, because all one hears from the main stream media ad nauseum is that the person/candidate with the biggest budget/bankroll - eg like Walker- wins no matter how unsuitable the person may be..

On the other hand those poor pretentious T'republiconsdinos can now pat themselves on their conservateabacks into serfdomination.

Who would have thought it was possible to get a bunch of less fortunate people on their way to losing everything they have worked hard for all their lives to believe that their misfortune is due to union employees ability to bargain as a group for better wages and benefits?

Who would have believed that these less fortunate people would actually buy into the idea that the only way to stop the lower standard of living, wages etc , the continued stagnation or worse lower wages was to get rid of their own ability/potential to bargain as a group by villifying and getting rid of their own unions etc?

Well with the austerity programs that the top 1-10 percenters are waiting to unleash on the USA populace no doubt will have these folks saying ... 'brother can you spare a penny' instead of 'can you spare a dime' even as the infrastructure continue to crumble and the country deminishes losing its superpower status. Talk about being in interesting company with the the Roman and the British empires of old.... LOL

Recount wouldn't go amiss imo....

You make your bed you lie in it....

One prayer @ a time, 1 State @ a time, the people of the United States are speaking.

I guess the taxpayers don't want to give government union workers a life of luxury when they have to work for a living.

to BZE1: Really, you state that WI was bought but overlook the fact the big O bought the Federal election? Spending Soros funds for 60 minute Obama infomercials at 200 million a pop. And the truth is there would have been no further enrichment of the media and advertising firms if not for the stupidity of the recall in the first place. Gov Walker wins by a landslide, have a nice life tools.

You liberals hate it when you lose. Guess what? This is only a glimpse of what the Voters are going to bring this Novemeber. It means that you Dems won't fair well. So keep on lying to yourself that everybody in the USA is thinking just like you. The largest Unions in the US just got their hands handed to them even after spending record amounts of money. I guess when you screw with a MARINE you will pay. Semper Fi! The Voters of Wisconsin have spoken loud and proud. They are done with the likes of you Union Bosses who sit around with their hand out for more money for their coffers from the Government. Well guess what? People want JOBS and they don't want any hindrances in getting that job.

I hope that Wisconsinites realize that with no collective bargining rights that compentent police, fire fighters, EMT's, etc will be leaving their state in droves. With lower wages and less benefits, Wisconsin will be turned into an entry level position that just might end up costing more in the long run as they'll have to continue training new professionals all the time.....the professionals you expect to protect you and your families and homes, who will get training then leave for greener pastures.

But I guess that will be worth saving a few bucks by turning Wisconsin into the Wal-mart and McDonald's of America.

Remember that when you need a pro and a minimum wage earner shows up to protect you or your homes.

What this article SHOULD HAVE SAID was "Walker trounced his opponent..."

Gotta love that spin! Odd that they never mentioned the margin in this article. I had to go elsewhere to find it:

With 94 percent of the expected vote in, Walker led Barrett 54 percent to 45 percent.

CBS News exit polls found that 52 percent of voters in Wisconsin approve of how Walker has handled the issue of collective bargaining, and 54 percent approve of how he has handled job creation. Fifty-two percent said they approved of the recent changes to state law that limits collective bargaining for government workers, while 47 percent disapproved of these changes.

Fifty-one percent of Wisconsin voters in the early exit polls said they have a favorable view of unions for government workers -- a group that largely backed the recall -- while 45 percent have an unfavorable opinion of these unions.

Well, money talked and won for the most part, but the Democrats regained control of the Senate, restoring for now at least a system of check and balances in Wisconsin, and the President came out of Wisconsin still favored by nine points in the exit polling. So grats to Gov. Walker and let's hope he's willing to abandon the extremist European austerity policies that have plunged their economies into double-dip recessions and will work with the democratic congress for changes that are actually effective and benefit the people of Wisconsin.

Where's Feisty? Must be waiting for instructions from the DNC as to what to say about the trouncing. Haven't seen a beating this bad since the Rodney King video. <that's a joke people, that's a joke. Jeez>

Heh heh... a joke, although a bit tasteless, but still understood as a joke.

I have to wonder how things would have gone had so much outside money not poured into the Walker campaign. Some of the ads they were putting out were flat out lies, such as claiming Barrett was going after people's deer rifles when he signed a ban on assault rifles with grenade launchers. You have to wonder what degree Citizen's United played in swaying this election. It's hard to actually measure, but no doubt (to me at least) somewhat significant.

He closed his campaign by touching little on the initial battle over collective bargaining, instead emphasizing positive job reports since he took office, and the improved state budget situation.

Yet the liberal lie is that his policies don’t work…

"We wanted a different outcome, but Wisconsin forced the governor to answer for his efforts to divide the state and punish hard-working people," said Richard Trumka, the president of the AFL-CIO. "We hope Scott Walker heard Wisconsin: Nobody wants divisive policies."

How is positive job reports and improved state budget punishing hard working people?

"We are a state that has been deeply divided and it is up to all of us, our side and their side, to listen. To listen to each other and to try to do what is right for everyone in this state," Barrett told incredulous backers gathered in Milwaukee.

Too bad he doesn’t take his own advice. Had he and the unions LISTENED to what the people want, that is something that IS right for EVERYONE, just not the selfish unions that are bankrupting the state, this recall election would have never happened. He won TWICE now deal with it!

Hopefully we get a little trickle down here in Illinois. It would be nice to have a balanced budget.

Obama led Romney by a 9 percent margin in the final exit polling — a note of encouragement for Democrats looking ahead toward November —

How nice of MSNBC to toss a bone to shell shocked Democrats.

The article doesn't bother to mention the HUGE margin of victory of Walker of Bartlet but MSNBC somehow thinks it's relevantto mention an "exit poll" question about Obama INSTEAD of the actual vote count. Anything to try to stem the rising tide of voter ire I suppose. Just like MSNBC reported all week how the "race was tightening." From what, a 20 point lead to a 12 point lead? Wonder what we'll hear in November, just before the LANDSLIDE defeat of Obama. Yep, MSNBC's attempt at "Fair and Balanced" reporting. (NOT!)

NOBAMA 2012!

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"We wanted a different outcome, but Wisconsin forced the governor to answer for his efforts to divide the state and punish hard-working people," said Richard Trumka, the president of the AFL-CIO. "We hope Scott Walker heard Wisconsin: Nobody wants divisive policies."

The divisiveness is from those who are protecting their fat wallets. The total disconnect with reality shown by the Unions is becomming incredibly stupid. Everyone else sees the truth and are not buying the Union crap....

Just now on CBS, as WI exit poll asked for what reason should a recall election be held...... 60% said due to misconduct. Something that didn't happen here. Guess that correlates pretty closely with the results.... The People have spoken, good for WI!!! Now we need to stop wasting taxpayer money on recall elections where the Unions are the instigators. Unless the person in question has gone to court, Union money shouldn't be the reason to have a recall election.

KUDOS TO WALKER and to THE PEOPLE OF WI!!! This was a great victory for your State!!!

Hey spg64...The Dems. picked this fight. And they LOST! They even brought people in from other states to canvass, twist arms, of WI voters...they CHOSE to spend the money, they MUST have paid those people to leave their jobs, come to a State, NOT THEIR OWN STATE, for FREE? Nah. And NOW you are whining about what it cost?? Walker should just have sat back and let the unions strong arm the people and run the State? How novel to have a man who doesn't represent the special interests, but represents the people of the State. Too bad Obama didn't get that.

The Union Bosses and their SS Troops have been defeated. They can no longer use threats and intimidation to get their iron grip in WI or the Nation. Martin O'Malley the Democratic Chairman,Miller & Busch (leaders of the MD House & Senate from Maryland, , should pay particular attention. They sacrificed their employees and State to repay their bribes to the Union Bosses. Unions, who at one time played a major role in the creation of American values, have lost their way. Today's Unions are nothing more than supporters for hire to the highest bidder and viewed as a Legal Organized Crime Syndicate.

Ok, The America I knew is now dead, I'm ready for my one way plane ticket to get the hell out of here. People have plain lost their damn minds. I can't wait too read the news a few years down the road and learn that the college education we've pushed onto our next generation will be good for them to get a minimum wage paying job. You can have my citizenship and shove it up your @sses!

This comment section seems curiously conservative for a typically left leaning MSN core readership. If you expand the collapsed comments, you may notice they are generally liberal leaning, and most of them seem pretty innocuous. They don't seem inflamitory or offensive. It's just an observation.

Congrats to both Scott Walker and the People of Wisconsin, who have faced down the strong arm tactics and malignant malfeasance of the Unions, in order to stand up for individual workers rights not to be forced to join a Union as a precondition of work, and have their money confiscated from them without their consent. The people have spoken, and it is a good day for Democracy, this is what happens when one side is prohibited from censoring and restricting the free speech rights of the others, and the people can hear all sides of an argument and come to a rational decision on their own.

trust2112,

Adios my friend. Don't let the door hit you in the a$$ on your way out.

You can now spell Wisconsin.. M I S S I S S I P P I you just enslaved and denied health and education to future generations. You can now also spell pristine ..p o l l u t e d. How much does it cost to buy a state and billions in assets? Under 50 million.

Poor Trust sounds a little miffed. Did things not go the way you had hoped? Oh well, let us know where you want to go and I'm sure someone will help fund it. God knows we don't need people here that don't want to be here. If this upset you, wait till November, all hell's gonna break loose. Can't wait. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you on the way out. Bye Bye.

So the "people" have spoken?

Congrats to Walker.

This proves nothing but "money talks".

When you spend 6 TIMES the other candidate, primarily from Super PACs, any puppet can win.

G. Bud,

So you lost, and now it's all doom and gloom, the sky is falling, etc.,etc. Please don't ignore the fact that this silly recall election was brought on by the government workers unions and they pumped millions of dollars into the effort and brought God knows how many members to get the vote out. Guess what, Governor Walker's margin of victory was greater this time than in 2010. Tells me that the people of Wisconsin like what they are seeing. And naysayers on the other side will continue to spin and predict dire consequences for the future. Won't happen, so keep eating your sour grapes.

And I can't wait until Austerity comes to pass here in Amercia (Romney check) and when half of you are homeless and the other half finds themselves in debtors prisons (Which will soon be Constitutionally legal) I'll be the one laughing. And no I do not live in Wisconsin, and yes I have lost a previous job because of Union bashing (Company owned Union, so they could legally sell bricks to NY and NJ Unions). I've just come to realize the only difference between the 2 parties is gay and pro-life issues. The rest is hyperbole to stir the pot. You've been Divided and Conquered already.

trust2112,

Wow, good post. Delusional, but entertaining. So, if in your previous post you said you are giving up your citizenship because Walker won, blah, blah, blah, does that mean if Barrett had won you would be staying? Just trying to clarify which side of the "Divided and Conquered" you are on.

Oh, that would be the side that lost, so now you are angry. Again, farewell. Let us know where you end up. I'm sure there are other lovely countries that are dying to have guys like you as citizens.

Hilarious reading Republicans cheer their own destruction. In a few years when they wake up to what they have actually accomplished they will excuse us for not listening to them any more. They sold themselves out for the promise of what no politician can give them, a job. They prostitute themselves to those that robbed the economy in the first place and then paid themselves bonuses for it, the robber barons are finally back.

Walker has all of the evil money behind him. The people who voted to keep this lying @ss in office will come to regret it. Next move he will make will be to give away the power company in Wisconsin to the Koch Bros for nothing. They also sent out robo calls telling people that if they signed the petition they don't need to vote. The Republicans have to cheat, cheat, cheat. Everything will come back and bite them good.

@ LMarc....the money talks? Just like all that money spent on Obama's 2008 campaign? The same campaign contributors who later became recipients of Obama's govt. pay-offs? The pay-offs Taxpayer money will take generations to repay? Obviously, the money spent on the Walker campaign and the Obama campaign don't actually have that much in common. The results of the Walker campaign has been a strong economy for WI and more jobs. Can't say the same for Obama. Get back to us when Obama accomplishes a fraction of what Walker has.

So I guess Feisty is still in the corner licking her wounds? The silence is quite refreshing!

No Feisty?!? How refreshing!

Walker is about to be indicted for fraud anyway, so no big deal. It'll be interesting to see Wisconsin go the way of Greece soon. Anyone who thinks austerity is the way to solve your problems is a MORON. It's just bad these MORONS will have to learn the hard way. Good luck suckers, the Kock brothers just bought you into poverty and are laughing all the way to the french riviera in their yachts.

Take note of how the Liberal media wh0res are claiming that Walker "took away the unions' collective bargaining rights".

Of course, that's a lie. He only took away a couple of categories of collective bargaining - ones which never should have been granted in the first place.

And. predictably, the Leftist Loons are whining that Walker "bought" the election by spending X times as much of the "outside money".

Naturally, they only count the money that Barrett spent AFTER he got the nomination, ignoring the tens of millions of $$ that the unions and the National Democratic Party have been pouring in for OVER A YEAR. The money spent to bring in out-of-state agitators and union thugs, to feed them and house them, and to PAY them to demonstrate.

That way, they were able to rouse the rabble enough to provide their compliant media buddies with plenty of video and sound-bites so as to get hundreds of millions of $$ woth of "free" air time to get their propaganda out.

David,

Is your tantrum over now? Time for some milk and a nap. BTW, better check out what got Greece into this problem in the first place. It's called "Socialism". Certainly does not apply to Scott Walker. He inherited a mess, which he is doing a good job of cleaning up. Don't like like the result? Too bad, someone has to make tough calls to balance the budget and get government spending under control.

Also, mentioning the Koch brothers is the same as bringing up George Soros for the Republicans. Both are red herrings and have no merit in the discussion. They are used as talking points. Nice try though.

Tony,

hey Walker, start walking! You lose, no matter the outcome. The people have spoken and have largely rejected your assault on the middle class. Me thinks you 'll be hearing from the Kock's before too long. They don't like not having a huge ROI.

It is too bad you are a sore loser; I hope you keep that side of yourself from your kids. Walker won because he BALANCED the state’s budget. The thing most of you don't like is that he took away your collective bargaining rights that help bankrupt the states now days. Unions where needed way back when they started but now they just drain our states of their resources by holding them hostage with the collective bargaining. What is funny to me is that Walker kept every promise he made while running and now that it takes from the union it is not ok. Well guess what private sector gets paid just as much as the unions, the only thing are we don’t need 5 guys for one job. This is a referendum on how the country is being run. Say good bye Obama you might want to start packing.

Amused in the midwest, lets see he turned a deficit of 250 billion to a surplus of one hundred million in a year and a half, added jobs, more money for classrooms, I guess you Liberals aren't happy unless you are running a billion dollar or more deficit

So from the few post above celebrating the one Dem win in the Senate, I take this extreme joy to inform you, the Wisconsin Senate is out of session till January (after the November elections, and the the newly November elected senators take office), I should also point out that with the new redistricting Repubs will not only take back the 21st (seat Lehman may have just won by less than 800 votes) will now be stronger republican district, but as well with the new districts Repubs look to gain an additional 4 seats, making the senate a 22 to 11 (2/3 majority) favor for the GOP in senate, and the and the lower house also expected do gain seats for GOP. So out of all the races in Wisconsin, the one I was least worried about was the OLD 21st district, Lehman will never get a chance to vote on anything, lol.

God Bless you Wisconsin, as well as California for taking the stand against the public sector union thugs and winning. Is Michigan next?
I hope so.

Great News, there is still HOPE for this country. Unionized labor and collective bargaining rights have no place in America. These things should never have been allowed in any public works related position, that was instituted to serve the interest of the tax payer and their families.

Walker is making the tough decisions, and it's about time; Because Wis. and her constituents are broke. There's simply too many public servant fat cats sucking off the taxpayer's tit.

It's a Public Service Job, initiated and implemented to serve tax payers and their families. Say No to the lifetime taxpayer paid for benefits (like lifetime health care and pensions) that Public Servants get to have, because this is not the way it works for the other 90% of citizens working the jobs that pay for their Public Tax-Dollar sucking jobs and lifetime benefits..... the well is dry and it's time for CHANGE. To all the public servants (career politicians included, like Obama) that climbed aboard the Public Service Train to help themselves, it's time to get a real job and earn your own money.

trust-2112 - Bye!

I feel sorry for Wisconsin. Well, maybe they'll get lucky and he'll go to jail, the next possibility for Walker. Glad Obama still polls better in Wisconsin though...they haven't all lost their minds.

You guys crack me up. Walker is elected to office and expected to do a job. He does the job and is successful so you want to fire him. Enter the union followed by their deep pockets to support (lead is more like it) the cause. 24hrs ago some of you were all but ecstatic in this recall and just knew that Walker was done, out and gone. The recall election is over and Walker won...AGAIN. By a larger margin than the first time. I do not live in that state but that alone is a powerful statement by the people of Wisconsin. Regardless of how much money was spent, if Walker's initial election did not appeal to our friends in the north, he would not have been re-elected. I'm sure some of those that voted for Walker may not agree with everything he is doing and some are probably affected with the union issue but personal differences were set aside in the best interest of their state. Hard to argue with a working plan.

trust2112 - a little over dramatic don't you think. The entire nation is doomed to fail because the recall didn't go your way. And then there was this, "when half of you are homeless and the other half finds themselves in debtors prisons (Which will soon be Constitutionally legal) I'll be the one laughing". I am amazed that this one election in Wisconsin has somehow decided the fate of the entire nation. Millions will be homeless and millions more in prison. All because you lost your recall election. You didn't get your way so now the sky is falling and everyone is doomed. So, take your toys and go. We will be just fine. Drama Queen...

ghost...

You are right on the money...this wasn't just a recall, it's an adventure !!!

And then...right around the time that 49.5% of us are deemed as "homeless" and the other 49.5% are in debtors' prison...you know what happens ??? That's right...that's when the alien spaceships start landing for the final takeover, led, of course, by the evil "1%" who've been planning this invasion for years.

Now that's "drama" !!!

I've seen repeated comments concerning the amount of money the Walker campaign spent. I know the talking point is not true, but one thing is true. The number one thing that caused Ohio loss on their bill to reign in collective bargaining was not having the money to get the truth about the bill out there. The proponents didn't have the funds to put an equal number of truth commercials out there to compete with all the Union commericals spewing lies. And yes the Union waged an expensive campaign, with endless lies and misrepresentation of the truth. And it was effective and the taxpayers of Ohio lost out because of it. The Walker campaign was right to get the truth out there. And what about the money the Unions spent to get the recall? Don't forget to add that into the total. Overall, this is more whining from Liberals who didn't get there way. You need to ask yourselves "why?" Wake up and see what you belief system is doing to your fellow Americans! It is time to stop the madness.

"The truth is that the Wisconsin recall campaign was a farce from beginning to end. Its sole purpose was to sabotage the struggle against the Walker administration by blocking any independent mobilization of the working class and diverting the energy of workers and young people into the safe channels of the Democratic Party—a party just as committed to the defense of corporate interests as the Republicans."

Republican governor wins recall election in Wisconsin

By Patrick Martin
6 June 2012

"…The entire recall campaign was a fraud, since the Democratic Party supported the cuts in wages and benefits for state and local government workers, objecting only to Walker’s exclusion of the unions from participation in the process of determining what would be cut.

Barrett, who won the Democratic primary and became the party’s candidate in the June 5 vote, had actually made extensive use of Walker’s anti-worker law to impose $19 million in wage and benefit cuts on city employees in Milwaukee. The Democratic candidate largely downplayed the issue of collective bargaining rights and sought to distance himself from the unions, boasting in one debate that he had not been their choice for the nomination.

In the last week before the vote it was widely reported in the press that the Democrats had decided to drop the issue of Walker’s anti-worker measures. Typical was the June 4 report in Politico.com under the headline “Wisconsin Dems Sidestep Labor Debate in Recall.” The article stated: “On the eve of the June 5 recall election, the issue of collective bargaining has become just a footnote in the hard-fought battle for Wisconsin. Democrats gloss over the issue in campaign speeches, political advertisements and debates…”

The national Democratic Party opposed the recall effort, refusing either funds or active campaign support for Barrett until the last week, when there was a flurry of appearances by national Democrats like former president Clinton. This was largely an attempt to disguise the deliberate torpedoing of the campaign.

President Obama never made an appearance in Wisconsin during the recall campaign and barely disguised his hostility to the anti-Walker effort. Last week he attended a fundraiser in Minneapolis and then flew across Wisconsin to another fundraiser in Chicago without bothering to set foot in the state.

Liberal apologists for Obama and the Democrats, like the Nation magazine and MSNBC host Rachel Maddow, complained that the Republicans and their billionaire backers raised vast sums for pro-Walker advertising and outspent the Democrats by a margin of 30 to one. Such comments are a deliberate cover-up of the reality that the Democrats had no desire to win and mounted only a token effort…"

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/jun2012/wisc-j06.shtml

Will Scott Walker Be Given a Pink Slip, an Orange Jump Suit or a Second Chance?

by Mary Bottari — June 3, 2012 - 7:14am

Madison -- Since September of 2010 the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (MJS) has been detailing an ongoing "John Doe" criminal investigation being run out of the Milwaukee County District Attorney's office involving Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's former staff and associates. The wide-ranging investigation has included allegations of campaign finance malfeasance, embezzlement of veterans funds, bid-rigging, and even child enticement during the period when Walker served as Milwaukee County Executive, but was running for governor.

On June 1, 2012, the MJS broke the story that Milwaukee County prosecutors were forced to move from a regular investigation to a secret "John Doe" criminal investigation more than two years ago after being stonewalled by the County Executive's office. Court records released in the trial of one of the defendants showed that prosecutors said Walker's office had been "unwilling or unable" to turn over requested records. This new information contradicts Walker's repeated claims that he has been "fully cooperating" with the investigation since the start.

As of today, this ongoing criminal investigation has resulted in six indictments, 15 felony charges, and two convictions. At the moment, five people are awaiting trial. Below we provide a John Doe primer for the uninitiated…

http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/06/11566/will-scott-walker-be-given-pink-slip-orange-jump-suit-or-second-chance

I predict that t won't be long until VOTER'S REMORSE in Wisconsin, sets in.

Wllowbrook,

No Feisty?!? How refreshing!

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I have noticed that she never comes on when it is bad news about the Dem or good news for Rep. She only comes on when MSNBC runs some story about how a Rep did something they view as wrong.

Everything Obama has done has been wrong but they don't let logic or facts get in the way.

True story a Dem working to get a Dem elected came by my house this last weekend. He said I am so and so withe the Dem party and we are trying to get the Rep incumbent to be replace with this Dem. (I am not using name because that is not the important part of this) I said well why has she decided to run and he told me because the Rep actually votes NO on every bill we try and pass for the state. He said he just will not compromise with any Dem. He then said the actually took away his no button and put in two yes buttons, now I am sure that that would be some sort of violation, as he has a right to vote yes or no and it does not matter how many times so I said oh. I knew the incumbents voting record and it was 65% no and 35% yes. It is just not that simple though when he was voting no he was keeping Dem from raising my taxes so they could grow the government. You just cannot say someone voted no or yes for that matter you need to know the specifics on what the bill said. He was trying so hard to hide all of those facts so I asked him what exactly is it that he has voted no on and he said I told you he has voted no on everything. So I asked for three specific bills and what they were; I wanted to know how I would have wanted him to vote. He could not give me even one example. Then I told him I know his voting record and it not all any as you say. He said so you are a Rep so I told him no I am an Ind but I will vote for has the best interest of my state and my country. Lately that has not been the Dem. It seems all the do is lie and spend

1.74; "So I guess Feisty is still in the corner licking her wounds?"

LOL.... As catty as fiesty is she's probably licking more than her wounds

GO Tom Barrett!

I would demand a recount if Walker wins! He is a crook and so is Paul Ryan!

How many signatures on the recall petition were not credible?

Man, that was fast.

6:50 my time.

Oh man, let's go to Schultz.

This is gonna be good.

WALKER WINS!!

Today Walker, tomorrow Romney!

Roc,

In January, Walker's opponents submitted more than 900,000 valid signatures to the state to trigger the recall election, far more than the 540,208 needed to do so. -CBS

A huge win for Austerity and FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.

End Big Overpaid Government!

Bye, Bye, Obama, the writing is from Wisconsin!

It looks like 60-40 Walker. That's not close. If Clinton hadn't been stumping for Barret in the state, it may have been 80-20.

I did warn you not to trust exit polls. Heck, none of the polls for this election were any good- their assumptions were off, so their weighting was way, way off.

It looks like Walker wins by almost twenty points. What happened to "too close to call"? I'd be giving a serious second look at that "good news for Obama", too.

Team Walker: 1

Team Unions: 0

Team Obama: fired

There will be NO PEACE for Wisconsin

On Wisconsin! Forward thinking!

There is a time and place for Unions and the time is over and the place is not within any of our government employee base, and I'm a Democrat that has some of the same believes as a Republican. I attribute some of the current problems We face to date because of Unions, I'm not going to hide my head in the sand and march to any piper. >>>>>>> Obama 2012

Shame on you witchking. Haven't you ever played sports and learned to be a gracious loser? If anyone continues with this, they are un-American.

I wonder how many teacher's jobs could have been saved if $Millions were not spent on this needless recall effort by the unions?

Hey GOP'RS

You aint gonna like austerity..hope you dont have kids because the GOP are ore about keeping people in debt than helping our econoy come back. If you got kids then I hope you stashed a lot of cash or have a lot of roo in your house to move them back in because the inium wage in store for them wont be good. Your party has caused more spending in the history of this country than any democrats. Did you forget that this is a country of for and by the people? You right wing bats are going to reap some dismal crap comin down the pike and wont like when you all wonder what hit you. It boggles my mind how people look at a tv comercial and dont rely on actual facts. Austerity and insecurity to give the wealthy your kids as slaves for their life..wow, thats a dead beat no brain parent of all time.

Look how much money the unions could have saved for their strikers funds if they hadn't wasted their time on this recall vote.

Feisty said:

GO Tom Barrett.

Yep, go Tom.....go home, that is, it's all over.

Newsflash: Mr. Obama has just called an emergency meeting with SEIU and the NLRB. /s/

Expect something to come out of the NLRB regarding "NEW regulations" very shortly.

Congratulations to the Union workers of America. Your Union dues/fees have just gone down the drain while your pension and health care funds are being hooked and crooked.

What a major slap in the face to the Democrats and their union supporters. This looms big for the November election. This is a major loss for the Democrats. It also goes to show just how many of those petition signatures were questionable. Based on the supposed ease with which they got the signatures on the recall petitions this should have been a slam dunk for the Democrats and their union backers. It really makes you question the legitimacy of the union's signature gathering efforts and how many of those signatures were actually valid. This will also be a backlash against the democrats and the unions over the amount of money this failed recall cost the state. It also took a lot of money out of Democratic campaign coffers that they now will not have to spend in the November election. The loss will also hurt their fund raising efforts going forward. In all, this is a major win for the republican party and a major repudiation of the public employee unions and their greed.

I saw on Huffington that Barret even lost Milwaukee where he had been the mayor.

Reasons I thought this would fail-

-In the Primary The combined democrat vote was less than Walker got - and those people didn't have to vote in the primary

-Milwaukee has the highest unemployment of the major cities in Wisconsin. Why on earth would demorats think that a candidate with that bad a record would be able to help Wisconsin?

-The National Democrat party stopped spending in Wisconsin over a week ago. National parties only stop funding when their person is rolling the other candidate, or if they have been beaten like a red headed step child so to speak.

Unions need to reform themselves or they will go extinct.

Looks like folks in wisconsin have made their choice. Let's all hope that it's the best for them.

One thing for sure, all that campaign money spent in the state, can't hurt since a lot of it came from the outside. It'll trickle somewhere.

Um, does any time have to elapse before they can have another recall? Heck, they may be able to get their state out of hock.

I don't live in Wisconsin, so I lack having a dog in this particular fight. Walker has removed the bargaining rights of LOCAL labor. Anyone can build their roads, business, or industrial. You have lost jobs overseas and now you will lose them to other states. The governor will still collect state income tax, but they send their money home. Maybe, Mexico. His labor policies will only harm wage earners in Wisconsin. Good job.

Fiestly (post 2.2)

GO Tom Barrett!

Sorry Fisty, he did go. In fact, it appears he was gone soon after the polls opened.

Do the unions want to go the best two out of three?

What we know... 1) a close election says a lot about Walker as a failure especially considering all the outside money that he didn't win by a landslide, 2) and speaking of "tactics" Walker is already in trouble for RoboCalls misinforming voters, and 3) the John Doe investigation is heating up.

What we still don't know is how the other folks in this election have done. Walker no longer has a majority regardless, thanks to prior recall elections.

This still sends important messages to the nation that over-reach is a risky business, that democracy must prevail over money, the right for labor to organize must be preserved, and that the middle class must unite to protect their rights against the special interests of the rich/corporations.

Aw Heck TP, 55-44 is close?

Really?

I gotta give you Libbies credit tonight. You all are spinning so hard you must be dizzy.

Forward into the past.

From this comment section it looks like civil war 2.0 is close

I'll never understand why the dems chose the guy Walker beat last time. Doing the same thing and expecting a different result? I think there's a word for that.

Well, well. So, the voters in Wisconsin are tired of public sector unions? Perhaps the problem with public sector unions is that they make demands of the taxpayer who often isn't sharing in the largesse. It does get rather annoying to realize that while you work and pay taxes a portion of those taxes goes into union pensions and funds that are far, far better than what you, silly taxpayer get to enjoy.

Don't crow too loudly though. The fact of the matter is that there are serious issues still out there. One sided governments aren't good. There needs to be a balance. The democrats in Wisconsin ran away when they should have stood and fought for what they believed in, that left a very bad taste in many mouths. The unions engaged in thuggery and strong arm tactics, not really appreciated to a populace that has to bear the brunt of an economic downturn.

The democrats need to lean to the middle, ditto the republicans. There is room for both ideologies, too much entitlement is as bad as too much corporate cronyism.

Best man won!!!! Pray this will continue into November. Sure seems a good example has been set for the rest of the Governors who were paying attention. It is pure and simple, you cannot borrow your way out of debt. Doesen't take a rocket scientist for figure that out.

And the people of Wisconsin have spoken.......AGAIN!

The totals aren't in and it took awhile to call it -- That's what we know now. The funny thing is does a big win for Walker mean there was large voter fraud that got him there? Ha!

The rest in regard to the message this recall sends stands.

Oh joyous rapture, the fat cats lining the pockets of the 1% win. Now they can slowly and methodically begin ripping apart the very systems that the labor unions put down to keep us from sweatshops and child labor. Well, at least companies will stop porting business over to China, since they'll get to pollute and abuse their employees as much as they want over here instead.

As for the rest of you? Yeah. We let the companies have no restrictions before. Our entire country was going to shart, fat cats were getting fatter, and poverty was at an all time high. Then the Unions came out and dug us out. While I admit they have stepped a bit over their responsibilities in some cases, I trust them a heck of a lot more than the mega corporations ready to devour America whole.

Thank-you Wisconsin. Now, on to November for REAL HOPE and CHANGE.

A crybaby mentality from TruePatriot ? Sure, it takes CLASS to simply admit you simply got BEAT !

Save your BS for the uneducated uninformed progressive socalist democrats! Walker already has cut taxes thus bringing in New business to wisconson. Unemployment is down and the budget is balanced.

and you want us to believe because the union is gone business is going to leave. Haaaaaaaa Unions destroy business why do you think manufacturing went to China! The unions ran them off!! It was not the non union business that left.

Wisconson has done the right thing tonight and this will continue untill election. People are educating themselves and education is the enemy on the socalist party.

True "non"patriot...you are the biggest loser of them all (and when comparing to Fisting Democrat and Speaking Insanity, that is saying alot). Why don't you try the hanging chads route to make an exuse!

old fat guy-1144960 -- Actually the president got the second in command today, but that will be lost in the rightwing "spiking the ball" bile. Speaking of which...

I'm making general observations, not name calling -- What's your problem jim, Bob, et al?

Ken join the modern world of labor. I was a union brat from Wisconsin. They didn't keep my mothers job from flying out of the state to Kentucky, San Juan Puerto Rico and Matamoros Mx. I have since worked in 2 right to work states. Our people build our roads. My job waited till the union meat packing plants got their contract and then came within a few cents of matching it down the line. Employers aren't stupid don't pay your people as well they will leave for the guy that does. And in my right to work state with its republican governor the state capital has a 5-6% unemployment rate with 1300 new technology jobs coming over the next year. How's Madison doing with that?

The poor, clueless Wisconsin voters why won't they learn from our union strong-arm tactics? Maybe the 1% is larger than we knew. Maybe they're like 55% ... (Overheard at a union led election gathering) It's going to be ok WI libs. You're still going to have your higher than average employment, you're still going to have great benefits, you're budget is going to continue improving, and the world will not end tomorrow or in November. Be thankful you're not California.

Maybe this will quieten the big mouths of some of these loud mouthed union thugs.

TruePatriot - took awhile to call? It took a whole hour. Oh my.

Yeah TruePatriot - great victory for the cause and all that. Or whatever it is you need to tell yourself.

It hurts, it should. You libbies had no business doing this, and you all got smacked.

So guess Obama was the 'smart' one - he stayed far away.

Oh and I screwed it up. I said Walker by 7, looks like 10+.

Right... the Union ran them off because they wanted fair pay and safe working conditions for workers. Instead they opted for China, where they could build sweatshops and get child labor, and drop barely enough money on their workers to live. That's an excellent example actually, Shawn. It also shows me how out of touch with your own humanity, and rights as a consumer are.

Chucky, they do have a name for it, it's called Obama.

ThaMonkeh,

Go preach your pro-union bs to those mindless enough to buy into it.

Here's a few facts for you pal:

Fact: Unions aren't interested in "fair pay". They are interested in getting as much as they possibly can out of any business dumb enough to let them in the door.

Fact: If they can't get in the door of the business, they will threaten it with picketers...who aren't even union by the way. Unions are too cheap to pay their own people to protest, so they hire scabs. Nice.

Fact: Unions are not interested in competing fairly with private non-union companies. Instead, they badmouth companies that hire non-union contractors and picket them. Hmmmmm, see a trend here yet?

So please spare us the bs that unions are so great. Anyone who has seen their handiwork firsthand knows that unions are far from the saints you try to portray them as.

Get a clue.

And no, I'm not talking about the rank and file workers either...so don't even bother going there. I'm talking about the scumbags who run the unions, not the blue collar folks. The rank and file have no say in what their union leaders do.

Which is too bad because things might be different if they got in the game for a change.

TruePatriot,

Last time I checked, the heads of the the teachers' unions weren't little old ladies...and it might not smell so bad if you kept your mouth closed. Just a thought.

Oh hell, we hung Chad 12 years ago.....

So, there were over 900,000 signatures on the recall petition, and Barret gets about the same number of votes. So, does that mean the Clinton stump meant nothing?

All the above posts are a good example of what's wrong with our nation. Rah rah rah, our team won! Really??? What ever happened to the country winning as a whole? The fundamental flaw is that each side thinks they have a monopoly on good ideas, so they're unwilling (or unable) to hear what the other side has to say. The reaction to the results are more telling than the results themselves. It wasn't always like this... I honestly worry about the future for our children.

Boredo: Oh, please, quit with the hyperbole. By the way, seems the Milwaukee TEA (teacher's union) president, Bob Peterson, went on camera bragging about how his union had used school children to promote anti-Walker material. That means that he used taxpayer money to create and load children's little backpacks with fliers that they could carry home to Mom and Dad. Now, I'm sure Mom and Dad were just thrilled to get that propaganda via their child, realizing that their teachers, rather than teaching, were engaging in a political war and the children were being used to further an agenda.

it's George's Bush's fault I know it , mad cow rachel maddow knows it, msnbc knows it, feisty knows it,

LOL

anybody but Obama 2012 " I voted for Obama in 08 "

On the subject of little old ladies...Francis Piven is a little old lady and she ain't so sweet, seems she wants to have a violent revolution to overthrow capitalism aka America. Lots of little old ladies were hell raisers in their youth and just because they've aged doesn't mean they've gotten nicer...I speak from experience here.

Walker won 2 elections, and survived a recall due to Wisconsin voters. It's called democracy. Shows over. Get back to work people.

Actually, if you consider the money, Walker didn't win. He bought the vote. He outspent Barrett 8:1' with 2/3rds of his money coming from out of state to Barrett's 1/4th. Walker spent $13 per vote in carpetbagger money alone, versus Barrett's $0.70 per vote in out of state money. Yet another purchased election by national republicans ...

Charles M. Edwards Sr., respectfully if the best man won then I understand you support a government that is the voice of and elite few? Consider, Walker a state governor went outside his state and on nationl news soliciting money for his state election recall. Think about it. Why would a state governor solicit and seek so much money from outside their state? Where is the voice of the people when government leadership is a puppet to an elite group of big bucks? Would you feel the same if the outcome were reversed? Do you suppose you would find it comforting to know that an incredible amount of money influenced a reverse outcome? I have no doubt if the reverse were true you would be crying wolf about the contender and the imbalance of resources. Whatever your reason your candidate won with your hope for November is elevated. While most Americans feel money should have no influence on any election or in government period. The Surpreme Court has decided such influence is merited. Sadly, most Americans have lost faith as a result in the Surpreme Court for this very reason. You obviously by your comment are not one of them.

No matter how much money is spent, at the end of the day the voter is alone in the booth when they cast their vote. The voters of Wisconsin made their choice. I don't particularly like their choice, but then I don't live in Wisconsin. Stop the gloating, whining or whatever and realize that each voter makes a choice, and it should be respected. And make sure to work hard for the candidate of your choice this November.

"When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross". The evil that is the conservative movement has conned the most easily manipulated of our "society" into voting against their best interest once again. The future of this country is looking very grim indeed, I would become and ex-patriot and move but Friedman's Globalization has spread the conservative poison around the globe. trickle down economics feels like a warm yellow rain drizzling from the Koch's penises on to the heads of the non-existent middle class.

Mary,

Well said!!

The Left was out spent 15 to 1 by a group of about 5 Billionaires none of them from Wis.

This is a sad day for American Democracy, a literal handful of Billionaires bought this election plan and simple!

The American people better wake up a take to the streets for the November Elections. The GOP is already trying to shred the voting rights of Millions of Americans for November. Pay attention people the Right is going to do everything in their immense power to steal the election in November.

Remember the right controls the voting Machines(DIEBOLD), the purse strings and most of the state governments in battle ground states thus the election apparatus in those states. Time to organize and question everything.

Bollocks. The recall was started by whom? Now, why did they demand recall elections? Because they saw their gravytrain coming to an end and they didn't like it. A handful of billionaires bought the election? BS. The people who voted realized that the union thuggery and strong arm tactics weren't about anything other than keeping the gravy flowing.

Scott: @ #2.59 You are assuming there were 900,000 legitimate signatures on the Petition. If Barret only got 900,000 votes, then only the people who signed the Petition voted for him and no one else. Very, very odd. Unions have been know to raise the dead.

Amusing. Now, replace most of what you wrote with the word: Communism. Wrapping oneself in the flag of nationalism is common in most totalitarian states, it's not limited to fascism. Unions at one time were created to combat rampant mistreatment of workers, today those same unions are as fascist as what you claim republicans to be. At one time the Mafia controlled the Teamsters. Don't like what they wanted, careful little business guy, might get your shop destroyed and your legs broken.

As to the suppression of abortion, the state replacing the family, etc. Go look at Rumania, seems it was seriously communist. Women don't fare too well under most political and religious systems. Look no further than fundamentalist Islam for an example of repression of homosexuals, divorce, abortion, etc. Not too many fascists in said ideology, is there. Then, your 'fascists' oppress intellectuals, unlike communists such as Pol Pot?

The points you are attempting to make are too vague and too easily covered by other 'isms' and claiming that republicans are 'fascists' is as valid as claiming that democrats are 'communist.' Sorry, defense of public sector unions is rather self defeating. FDR, the premier progressive, banned them because he feared that they would take over the 'social programs' that he was creating, allowing them to be in control rather than the government.

What is really amusing is how both sides claim the exact same things about their opponents. Ever read Saul Alinsky? Rampant conservatism is as bad as rampant liberalism. Neither extreme is to be embraced, sorry, there are shades of grey and moderation does exist. Stating that the horrors of the opposing system only exist in the opposition is either naive or blind stupid. Each country that wars against another always demonizes their enemy, makes the claims you all have listed, using fear and partisanship to justify their 'cause.'

You liberals hate it when you lose. Guess what? This is only a glimpse of what the Voters are going to bring this November. It means that you Dems won't fair well. So keep on lying to yourself that everybody in the USA is thinking just like you. The largest Unions in the US just got their hands handed to them even after spending record amounts of money. I guess when you screw with a MARINE you will pay. Semper Fi! The Voters of Wisconsin have spoken loud and proud. They are done with the likes of you Union Bosses who sit around with their hand out for more money for their coffers from the Government. Well guess what? People want JOBS and they don't want any hindrances in getting that job.

Easy there on the "right" the total population of Wisconsin is .018 % of the total population of the US and they have a total of between 10 and 11 Electoral College Votes.......it might be a little bit early to tie the dog to the roof of the RV and head to DC to measure the drapes Mitt. Early season form don't mean much in the Playoffs.

MyGirl,

Very well put. The problem is not the common everyday people. The problems of our nation lie within the very halls of Government from both sides of the aisle. I for one am tired of both party's pointing fingers and bickering like immature teenagers. In fact I know teens that are more mature than most politicians. What this nation needs is a Third Party of Common Sense. One that will work for its constituents instead of their large money donors.

TheSword..... totally agree the masses are tired of being ripped off by Unions and Union Bosses especially, declining membership is proof to that......however they are also equally if not more so tired of being raped by the big corporate paper money spinners like those at Bain Capital.....the middle of the road will be sought and your boy aint anywhere near it.

YankInAustralia,

What I am saying is that this nation is not following the supposed agenda that the Dems seem to say that we all want. The Silent Majority was awakened and they will be at the polls this November. They are fed up with all this BS and blame placing. So yes I do believe this is a precursor to the November Election. I for one will be busy making calls. Guess what all their money did not work. It was the good ole grass roots organization that was and is behind Walker. Like I said the Voters of Wisconsin have spoken and its over. You can say Walker does not have any horsepower. Well your all wrong. You just witnessed his backing by the people. So now take your Union Bosses and go home and lick your wounds and figure it out.

Please note that the 'arguments' you have posited are fallacious on many levels. What is sad is that you don't realize that you are as ignorant and biased as those whom you demonize. The "texas' SOB's that killed Glass Steagall were aided and abetted by many democrats and a man named Alan Greenspan who did not come from Texas. Look at both sides, attempt to maintain an open mind rather than pushing agendas. I don't think republicans are wonderful by any means and I'm not naive enough to swallow any party line.

A homicide detective summed it up most succintly when he stated that a good detective always looked for motive, method and opportunity. Another way to look at it is....follow the money. Useful idiot are those who swallow a party line and regurgitate said propaganda without thinking it through. Also, power is a marvelous corrupter and Machiavellian manipulators abound in both parties.

Scott Walker appealed to all Wisconsonites to come together and he promised to bring people together. From DAY 1 Republicans have done nothing but declare their goal was to make Obama a one term President. Too bad the Republicans blocked ALL attempts to move America forward. So Mr. Walker your appeal to coming together just rings a bit UNTRUE to me. You are still a union busting radical, who doesn't care less about public employees and you continue to deny any rights of workers to organize to better their lives.

As a life long public school teacher, who gave up salary increases to get benefits instead, I am now losing inch by inch. I wish I had sold out years ago and gone the greedy private corporate route. I appeal to all young people to shun public service, sell out, think of yourself first and to hell with the rest, because after 38 years in education I am a broken man who gave all to my students and now will live out the rest of my life in poverty. DO NOT BECOME A TEACHER don't allow these idots do to you, what has happened to me at the end of my career .....

Yank,

Yes that may be true! But if you did some money trail following you will see where Bain has supported more Dems than Republicans. You also forger Romney was Governor of one of the most liberal voting states in the Union. I am not a Romney supporter. I prefer other candidates yet they did not get through all the Media BS. So unfortunately I get to assist the locals who I like.

Well, this is indeed a busy comment section. Several posts intervened while I was typing. The gist of my post was addressed at post #2.68 but applies to many others.

Sword and Pen: I agree that most Americans are tired of extremists. I am. I vote with my head and intellect, not vague emotions that are easily swayed. Generally Americans are moderate, they aren't as inclined to fall too much either left or right as the political machines want them to. I think that as a people we are willing to give the benefit of the doubt but once it's discovered that programs aren't working or downright destructive, well, time to get rid of said programs.

If Walker oversteps he'll go down, same for anyone in positions of power. That's why depots fear true democracy.

So Jesse your blaming Walker for your Union Negotiators failure to insure you had better pay and better benefits. I thought that was what they Union was suppose to do for you. Hey Jesse I have news for you. No one owes anyone a living in this nation. That is what you bought into. I have been working without any Union's assistance since I was 8 years old from the Orchards of Washington and Oregon to the Cotton Fields of Arkansas. I learned one thing a long time ago. Hard work means greater rewards. You only get out of this life what you put into it. I for one am one who feels that you teachers have been ripped off for years from the Unions and others. I feel that our teachers should make at least 40k-50k a year from the get go then get yearly raises and reviews. So don't blame the Republicans for your folly.

WOW Jesse G-341147

You forget Obama and the Dems had control of Congress for two years, the Repubs didn't take over till 2010. Plenty of time to do something constructive but all the Dems did was spend, spend, spend, oh yeah and pass ObamaCare. We had two years to see what Obama had in store and that's why the Repubs are blocking most of his plans.

Please stop your whining and educate yourself. For a teacher you seem pretty ignorant. You still have the right to organize. And you still are getting a nice pension, so you won't be living in poverty. You public employees now just have to pay your fair share, like the rest of us.

Mygirl

Exactly true. Most educated, suave, intellectually endowed people will never let the propaganda machines of the Left and Right sway them. They will sit in the middle and watch the two take swings and swipes at each other, eating our popcorn awaiting for them to finally show the masses what a**e's they are and then we will sweep them out of the halls of our government once and for all. Then start over with real people with real answers and goals to recover this great nation.

MyGirl true to your last statement. If Walker oversteps his bounds he will go down. Yes this is true Democracy. Yes the Despots of this world fear that. So one thing that warms my heart about Wisconsin. Is it restores faith in the Constitution and how our Government works. This could be used on any out of bounds politician. Time to exercise our Power of the Vote.

• Gov. Scott Walker beats challenger Tom Barrett by a 53%-46% margin
• Walker's margin of victory larger than 2010 race in which he also faced Barrett

HaHa!!

Democrats just wasted millions publicizing their own wretched, greedy, crybaby ways... and only succeeded in making themselves bigger losers than they were before.

Does anyone wonder why they are so desperate to import foreign criminals to vote for them?

Ken-848629

I don't live in Wisconsin, so I lack having a dog in this particular fight. Walker has removed the bargaining rights of LOCAL labor. Anyone can build their roads, business, or industrial. You have lost jobs overseas and now you will lose them to other states.

had to jump on this before i leave.... i would rather open a door of oppertunity to anther state, vs another country, like say....China, or Mexico. if someone is wiliing to work in the US and the oppertunity is out there, then let them.

2nd this affects public service unions, not skilled labor or other. unions lost the main artery for the state, time to save some $$$

CONGRATULATIONS WISCONSIN, YOU HAVE MADE HISTORY!!! You are the first state in the history of our country to collectively pimp out your state to multinational corporations, special interest groups and lobbyists!! How does that feel to have your state bought and sold like a cheap used watch?? With this decision the entire population of the US/world working middle class families just had another nail driven into their coffin by the endlessly corrupt republican party's war on middle class Americans. There is an old adage that fits this scenario perfectly and it goes "Fool Me Once Shame On You, Fool Me Twice Shame On Me". Yes, Wisconsin you just made history - a truly embarrassing piece of history that will be a permanent black cloud over your state. Good Luck Wisconsin - you're going to need it!!!

Charles M. Edwards Sr.via Facebook

Best man won!!!! Pray this will continue into November. Sure seems a good example has been set for the rest of the Governors who were paying attention. It is pure and simple, you cannot borrow your way out of debt. Doesen't take a rocket scientist for figure that out

In February a windfall fell into his lap via the national mortgage settlement. Meant to help individual Wisconsinites caught up in the mortgage foreclosure debacle, the state of Wisconsin received $31.6 million directly. But Governor Walker and Attorney General Van Hollen decided to divert $25.6 million to cover their asses budget deficit.

Rico, please explain exactly where that 25.6 million went, and what FACTS you base that comment on. Thanks.

Now, John Doe?

The terms fascism, communism, totalitarianism, Nazism etc etc do no belong in this debate. None of them amount to more than name calling and fear-mongering. We have some real differences of opinion as to how best to govern the country none of which are reflective of the -isms being thrown around. Democrats, republicans and everyone in between (independents, libertarians, tea partiers) need to stop with demonizing the other guy. The people actively working toward the destruction of the republic are the ones (of all political persuasions) who refuse to negotiate, who refuse to engage in give and take, who only consider it a victory when the opposition unconditionally surrenders. Sometimes I think we are not engaged in political discourse, we are engaged in a civil war.

This is a good rebuff to the unions. I know for a fact that closed union shops are similar to communism. There is no reward for exceptional work, the only reward for working hard, is MORE hard work and the prevailing work ethic is laziness. I know so because I have had a closed union shop job. When the government unions can merely vote themselves a candidate who will increase their benefits and pay, there is a cycle of collusion going on that needs to be stopped. Glad Walker won.

Obama tried to disassociate itself from the recall against Walker, in which Democrats lost its intention to remove him from his post of Governador , Obama and Democrats in Congress from the iniquitous support to their fellows members of the Winsconsin Assembly when they left their post seeking refuge in neighboring states.Obama lost along with Barrett and the corrupt unions that they support and receive millions in change greater benefits , being an accomplice in the embezzlement of state economies. Obama lost, Democrats lost, unions lost. Walker won, Wisconsin won, USA won

Gotta love the peace loving libs and union thugs calling for Walker to be killed over on Twitter. http://twitchy.com/2012/06/06/kill-scott-walker-angry-libs-flood-twitter-with-death-threats-after-wisconsin-recall-defeat/

Bought, paid and swindled via Koch Bros... sigh

and it starts...

hope you all like working 16 hour days and getting 4 days off a year, but dont worry you wont make a dime more than you do now so the budget will be cool at least your employers budget. hope you like seeing babies crushed in machinery, we have already had 2 candidates want to do away with child labor protections. I bet 10 years ago you never thought you would hear a presidential candidate talk about putting babies to work as janitors but here it is. I would bet you a Coke the next thing we see is the return of company towns and sharecropping.

disgusting the glee I see you people taking part in because you get to rip down another citizen and make them as miserable as you are. For all your fair world hard work ya ya ya your sure quick to rip someone elses accomplishments from them simply because your job treats you worse. You could have unionized your own workplace, you could have fought for better conditions instead you were cowards and lazy and tore the monkey down that dared to climb the ladder. The sad thing is - youre proud, and do not even stop to think how you may be next and you will be.

ThaMonkeh Right... the Union ran them off because they wanted fair pay and safe working conditions for workers. Instead they opted for China, where they could build sweatshops and get child labor, and drop barely enough money on their workers to live.

That would be a valid argument if it were not for the fact the the US has Labor laws that prevent this from happening with or without Unions. Oh and you have heard of OSHA, a GOVERNMENT organization that protects the health and safety of workers in the US. So your China argument is invalid. As for so called "fair" pay. Let's look at Nissan in Tenn (a right to work state) vs. GM in Detroit (a union state).

New Employees with no experience at Nissan start at $27/hr plus benefits. The GM Springhill plant in Detroit start their workers at $15.72/hr plus benefits. And TN's cost of living is far lower than MI so that $27/hr is much higher in comparison. Doesn't look like Union Detroit is paying fair wages. No wonder TN auto workers have rejected Unions 2-1, time after time.

Egypt may get the Muslim Brotherhood; Wisconsin got Walker. You're stuck with who you vote for.

"MtMike-571674

A huge win for Austerity and FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.

End Big Overpaid Government!

Bye, Bye, Obama, the writing is from Wisconsin!' I am wondering just how you figure on stopping an overpaid government when government controls their own pay ? I am wondering just how far the republicans now push their own agenda of cuting more of the wealthy's taxes..and cutting the nations debt at the same time. Of course..if you consider cutting medicaid, madicare,,social security..and food stamps..and health care for the children..I guess it mioght work...maybe we can then just tell the elderly to die off..maybe then we can also tell folks that can not afford health care for their children to just let them die also...this was once a great nation,,,taking care of its own...that it seems is becoming no more. We can already see the results of cutting education..and the sciences...it shows. How much further do you and others want this country to go down before you are all happy ? Congress was elected to work together for all citizens..it has not done so for many years. And, I do not see it happening anytime soon..not with republicans blocking anything and everything that would help this nation..only themselves.

According to the polls, 38% of union households went for Walker. That is a fair number of defectors for something many describe as the great savior of working men and women. It would seem many union members understand the destruction and devastation unions have caused in states all across the country. If union dues were not mandatory they would have no where near the participation. Hopefully this decisive Walker victory will start a new trend in this country of fiscal responsibility and less political pandering.

The only people stupid and corrupt the heads of the unions, they thought that they would continue controlling the labor sector , to the detriment of the economies of States, Governors Republicans were elected not only in Wisconsin but in states like New Jersey, where the mob controlled the trade unions of the borrower. Not not going to work 16 hours and have 4 days of vacation that is pure garbage, but neither the trade unions shall have the power to hijack the economies along with his accomplices Democrats. They can cry their pains, but it was time for this to stop. Employing the will not be harmed as they say, the worst thing that can happen is that its benefits are equal to those of the private sector, which are those who pay their salary. As Obama said share, equal pay, equal effort.

Walker told a raucous crowd at his election night party that his survival was an affirmation of political "courage."

More like an affirmation of how enormous amounts of out-of-state GOP money can sway an election. As the old saying goes, we get the political leaders we deserve.

Good luck with that, Wisconsin.

I say let them have it, Wisconsin allowed this to happen. They made their bed time to sleep in it. They allowed the same people to stay in office who want to do away with labor laws, that is a corperation or business can hire more employees if the minimum wage law is revoked, that companies union or not are not responsible in anyway way for the heathcare of a worker, that should a woman get pregnant they can be fired, there is no sick leave, no vacation, and no weekends. I say keep going Wisconsin, make yourself the model of the GOP Paradise!!

Hey Feisty..... BWAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!

HA HA ! ALL of you stupid f*cks in Wisconsin are screwed now. You deserve EVERY damn thing you get ,now.

Here's ONE that REPUB'S cannot WIN;

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

RODHAM-CLINTON/WASSERMAN-SCHULTZ 2016

FIRED UP, READY TO GO!

No hanging chads No nominations, No FAT-CAT Koch BROS'!

TO THE STATE OF WISCONSIN:

WELCOME!!

SIGNED, THE (EVER INCREASING) RED STATES

Interesting. So I was wrong on the margin thing. It was a signifigant win for Walker. I don't think his victory will change any of his opponent's views, other than they'll have to find a new way to win. But I honestly didn't think union hate was so tremendous.

Well, its not good news for unions nationally. Namely because other governors will feel emboldened. One, yes important, battle does not win a war. But you can't just look the other way from this and ignore it.

Re@son@ble in MD

There is a reason for the growth of devisiveness in our country. In the past it was strong opposition during the election, then settling down to support the winner. That was before the long brewing Socialist movement in our country got front and center and started pushing their agenda down the throats of hard working Americans, costing many everything and giving more and more to the dependent on the government. There is a devision that will only be repaired when we return to the values that made our country great. Individual freedom and responsibility. No more BS about "spreading the wealth", give my people all your money so they can have what you got by working for it, "tax the rich", no more trying to destroy our religious foundations. These are not the principals our country was built on and thier growth has been the reason our country is failing. We will rise again as the people of Wisconsin have and we will take back our country and our values, then there will be strong devisiveness but in the end right will win.

Auto1m

They are ready to go alright, back to whatever rock they crawled out from under.

The people of AMerica that value freedom and independence have awakened and there is no stopping them now. We will not be a Socialist, Athiest country!

I hope this is just a PRELUDE to November. And I am PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN every DAY of my life!

WHO said;"Walker had more VOTES in some districts than PEOPLE"? Say it AINT so!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

RODHAM-CLINTON/WASSERMAN-SCHULTZ 2016

FIRED UP, READY TO GO!

Don't shake your head so much if that's what's making you dizzy.

The people of America who value middle class families are discouraged by the result of the recall. We are concerned that our brothers and sisters in Wisconsin will lose their freedom and independence to the likes of the Koch brothers and their tea swilling goons.

America is a blend of Capitalism and (dare I say the word?) Socialism. Sorry if reality frightens you.

As for atheism, be very grateful we have the freedom to believe or not in a supernatural being. It is the human brain that makes us different from the other animals. Don't let yours go to waste.

I like how all you rethug nutwhackjobs really think the morman boy will get elected by the majority of people in this country. America. Mindboggling to think that he would work for you. He has never done anything good in his life. Anything to help you. He will drain you as fast as he did with the companies he snatched up. Crazy republican't need to shake the crap out between the ears. Hard working people in Wisconsin just got focked by the GOPs agenda.

man, a lot of collapsed comments. don't know which is worse, msn and it's nazi policies, the whiners who report anything they don't agree with, or the others who can't play nice...

Jak

Yeah, Wisconsin deserves what it gets now...like actual forward progress and prosperity.

Auto - nice senseless babble

Let the games continue.

*Hope for change, anyone but barack 2012*

I had no dog in the Wisconsin race. But, given the money spent, the ads and their truthfulness, and the general lack of common sense, this recall was a farce since it was started. Whatever your beliefs about union extortion or failed trickle-down economics, it was the election itself that was a loud clarion for the problems we face.

Wow, msnbc still running the wisconsin vote?

no, tnrebel-

you have so many manufacturers flocking to your state because they can pay you substantially less than they would have to pay someone else in a Union state. You're getting screwed.

F*ck all you Union haters. Keep your crappy wages and your unsafe work conditions.

UNION AND PROUD!

Mrs. Georgia Peech

I hope this is just a PRELUDE to November. And I am PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN every DAY of my life!

If this is true, then you must have no personal issues about wearing a flag pin or saluting your countries flag, and if that's the case, then I salute you fellow American.

Believe it or not, I have actually heard of a President who is unwilling to show his support or respect to the country, people and constitution he swore to defend, uphold and serve. His wife (a female) is exactly the same. Both of them refuses to wear or salute the flag of their country... a country that made it possible for him to become a president, and for both he and his wife to take lavish vacations all over the world, why the rest of the country struggles to find a job and pay the bills. They call him President Obama, but I call him simply an the silver tongued teleprompter reading assclown.

@ Kaybeetoys, you state America is a blend of capitalism and socialism, here is the problem, it shouldn't be. Our founders gave us a limited government, socialism expands that limited Government. I have no beef with private sector unions, but public sector unions is a horse of a different feather, there can not be a truly fair negotiation, when the ones negotiating are elected by the people who they are negotiating with. Taking into account my age and income I would qualify for almost all entitlement programs the state and fed offer, yet I find myself richer (inner personal) with self reliance. This country was built on the very precepts of self reliance. If Abraham Lincoln were alive today, social groups would be sending him to camp, the government would provide his parents with food stamps and electricity so Abe could read his books that the Library delivered to his house...and he would not had turned out as the Abe Lincoln we honor or respect, The same Abe who achieved his success through self reliance.

All this socialism that you seem happy to state is part of our "America" makes us weak and Lazy and any motivation to achieve individual or national greatness gives way to blind acceptance to mediocrity, as we set in a corner and drool, asking "May I have some more please".

There are those in society that do require not just a hand up, but actually require a hand out (any that are qualified to flip a burger or push a broom do not belong in that group) and for those hand outs a number of non profits could help that small percentage of the population.

To all you Liberals who cry about going back to child labor and low wages, you still have state labor laws and union rights, this bill didn't abolish the union just restricted certain articles, so stop the sky is falling BS. Why did 11,000 people quit the union?

All this socialism that you seem happy to state is part of our "America" makes us weak and Lazy and any motivation to achieve individual or national greatness gives way to blind acceptance to mediocrity, as we set in a corner and drool, asking "May I have some more please".

Surely you can accept that there are some things done better by the government than by private enterprise.

As for making us weak and lazy, read this short article by Professor Bill Quigley of the Law School at Loyola University, New Orleans:

Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join the US in making up the OECD – the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most comparable European countries but also include some struggling countries like Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland, Slovak Republic, and Turkey.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/04/10

What is making us weak is GOP propaganda that seeks to divide us against one another, and put all the wealth and power into the hands of a select few. That is not democracy, that is plutocracy or oligarchy.

Some individuals are lazy. Some people spend all evening watching Fox 'news' and crap 'reality' TV. But don't paint everyone with that brush.

The old saying is "there's a fool born every minute".

They must all be from Wisconsin.

Kaybee: Gosh, you sure are good at pointing fingers. All those 'bad' republicans out there, only seeking to steal and impoverish the rest of the country. Have I got that right? Now, explain how destroying a consumer base benefits manufacturers? Please. I hear the accusations ALL the time, but no explanation as to why these 'evil businessmen' bent on destroying the 'middle class' would would want to kill their customers off. It doesn't make sense but I'm sure you'll provide a rationale for their actions.

Go ahead and prove your point. Now, the perameters are this, you have to use facts, not hyperbole. Additionally, you need to make the case for socialism, a valid case. Start with Greece.

As to the 'fools' in Wisconsin statement. Perhaps you have heard of the: "fool me once, damn you. Fool me twice, stupid me.' Seems Wisoconsin has woken up and is tired of being fooled by unions and the BS notion that only unions are keeping things 'fair.' Newsflash: The only thing 'fair' about unions is expanding their power base at the expense of the taxpayers. Perhaps the taxpayers are tired of getting screwed? That notion ever cross some closed and tiny minds?

Duphas: Yes I am very proud to be an American. My husband is a disabled veteran with Agent Orange. My family has given their all for this country.

Sally go @!$%# yourself

The only thing the government can do better than the private sector is spend our money with no real return, and keep up our military, well lately under the current CIC it can't even do that right. The Fed should only be responsible fr the duties as laid out in the Constitution, as well as each state government with their respective constitutions. There is not a single entitlement program that the Government should be involved in.

mygirl1

Kaybee: Gosh, you sure are good at pointing fingers. All those 'bad' republicans out there, only seeking to steal and impoverish the rest of the country. Have I got that right? Now, explain how destroying a consumer base benefits manufacturers? Please. I hear the accusations ALL the time, but no explanation as to why these 'evil businessmen' bent on destroying the 'middle class' would would want to kill their customers off. It doesn't make sense but I'm sure you'll provide a rationale for their actions.

You're right that it doesn't make sense. It's contrary to reason to impoverish the American middle class consumer base. As for a rationale, you will have to ask Republicans why they are so bent on tax cuts for the wealthy, when the middle class will have to make up the revenue shortfall. You'll have to ask them why they are cutting funding for public education to the bone, when an educated workforce is vital to the nation's economic competitiveness. You need to consult with the GOP about why corporate America is sending jobs overseas, when we can produce more efficiently and with better quality here. Ask them why they refuse to cooperate with Democrats in Congress over health care reform, entitlement reform, civil rights, job creation, energy policy, environmental quality and all the other issues that are holding this country back. Ask the GOP why they refuse to allow equal rights and equal opportunities for women, minorities, LGBT's, and non-Christians.

My suspicion is that you won't get an honest answer out of the GOP, just blame for President Obama for not fixing overnight the mess they created.

The GOP wants their power back. They want total control. Cooperation is a dirty word in the GOP vocabulary. If they can't have everything their way, it's all lies and obstructionism from them.

And they call themselves patriots.

Did you miss Obama's free trade agreements with S. Korea and Brazil. As to not cooperating with congress, did you notice any riders attached to those bills? Healthcare reform? Let's see here, when is a mandate not a mandate, oh, when it's a tax but only called a tax when questioned by the Supreme Court. Civil rights? Wasn't that hashed out during the sixties? Job creation? Now that's a good one. What have the democrats proposed for job creation? Stimulus money?

As to equal rights, so now the aforementioned groups don't have equal rights?

Please, elaborate here, blanket accusations aren't exactly helpful. Need specifics to help me understand.

ROY WILSON-336103

I wonder how many teacher's jobs could have been saved if $Millions were not spent on this needless recall effort by the unions?

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Roy,

How many public sector educator's jobs do you think would have been saved if your conservative Super PACs had spent their money trying to save middle class jobs in Wisconsin?

Answer: NONE. Conservatives HATE public education, one of the important foundations for any sort of Democracy.

By the way... Karl Rove's Super PAC's as well as the Koch Bros. and other outside conservative big contributors spent over 10 times as much as compared to the centrists and liberals in this Recall Election.

Money talks, loudly

Both sides dumped more than $63 million into this recall race, but Barrett was "outspent 10 to 1 (or worse)," says Chris Cillizza at The Washington Post. It's hard to overcome those odds. Walker alone spent $30 million, a crazy amount in a state of fewer than 6 million people, say Politico. But in the world of super PACs and relaxed donor rules, "this is the new normal." Wisconsin was essentially "a test lab, an incubator for outside groups to test ads, mobilization, micro-targeting, and the dark arts of robocalls and voter suppression" — and in November, every competitive race "will look like Wisconsin — on steroids."

http://news.yahoo.com/scott-walkers-wisconsin-recall-victory-4-lessons-070500737.html

rradiko "Conservatives HATE public education, one of the important foundations for any sort of Democracy."

Actually, Conservatives have great respect for teachers and public education. It's the union thugs that use taxpayer funded contributions to elect their 'cronies' to give them outrageous benefits that they have a problem with.

There is a basic 'Conflict of Interest' in allowing public unions to spend taxpayer funded union contributions to elect the very politicians that they will 'negotiate' with over increased pay and benefits. In Wisconsin, the taxpayers finally realized this, and rejected the union arguments.

Outstanding!

Tony,

Sorry, those numbers are not honest. With only 14% of the precincts reporting, no numbers are going to be accurate.

All those numbers are accurate, of the 14% that is counted so far. Just like a democrat. You don't like the facts, so you discount them. Just like Fox is #1 and you don't like it so you Discount it, of course the truth is still the truth.

wow that was a spanking

BILL - even your Liberal MSNBC has called it for Walker!

And the headline says "Too Close To Call"! Gotta love like MSNBC loves to spin things Ha! Ha! Ha!

The 3rd summer of recovery is going to be awesome...next up SCOTUS will declare Obamacare unconstitutional...bring on the popcorn...woohoo!!!

To the good people of Wisconsin - I feel for you and thank you. To the idiotic Jesus Camp drones and elderly bussed in by the GOP/KochWhores - you get what you deserve. Teachers - leave the state - union workers leave the state - trained and educated workers will always find a place. Let Wisconsin join Arizona in the race to the bottom.

While I think Walker will be imprisoned for his other crimes - Unless Wisconsin is using Diebold voting machines - this outcome makes no sense. I know there are quite a few dumbarses in this country (Bill Maher was right - America is "stupid"), but I didn't think Wisconsin had that many. Incredible. The Koch Brothers bought a state - I've never seen an exhibition of goose-step stupidity since Bush was in office. You have to believe that the Koch's spent untold sums with their "marketing/blogging for beer and pizza" staff in the state - May they (Koch's) die a painful personal, long and grueling death - at the hands of uneducated snake charmers and leach doctors at their side. Incredible. Just when you didn think voters couldn't be any dumber. White Male voters. They think 2+2 = chicken. Sad day for America. The Stupids are back...The GOP strikes again. Let me be the first to say to the Republican Wisconsinites - WE TOLD YOU SO. You're state will become a cancer - and btw - when you get it mining or drilling for the Kochs - don't ask educated America to bail you out. You're on your own.

I think Pt. Obama already knows about the healthcare decision. He has insiders he put there remember? Besides he's already told lots of people at his fundraisers that he needs a second term because he has to redo healthcare. Don't you love it. There's Wall Street insider info and White House insider info that's shared with select groups. Way to go Walker. Wish we had someone with balls in California that wasn't a puppet of the unions. They're destroying this state.

When the people spoke loudly for Obama in 2008, they were hailed as being smart enough to see through the spin. When they spoke loudly for Walker in 2010 and 2012, they were crushed as being too stupid to see through the spin, so the definition of intelligence has changed greatly in only three and a half years. Maybe we should change who we let define it.

Congratulations to the people of Wisconsin who worked TIRELESSLY to remind Scotty that he works for them. He had the fear of God put in him, and he will walk more carefully or face recall again.

It took Scotty 41 million dollars, most of it out of state money to survive this recall. He will always have the shame of being forced into a recall, and I imagine is now trying to find a way to avoid prosecution for his other alleged crimes.

Scotty won by purging the voters off the rolls, a usual Republican trick.

But, have a care, those of you who celebrate tonight. Remember...win a battle, LOSE THE WAR!

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Yep, the Summer of recover will be 2013, when we get rid of Obama in a LANDSLIDE and send him back to Chicago where he can Community Organize his butt off

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Hey Jim, you want some Wisconsin cheese to go with that whine?

Oh libbies, come on - your guy got pummelled.

Blasted, not even close.

Barrett got outspent, but got blasted.

Bad choice by unions to take this on.

No foresight. Failed to think it through.

Reality always wins.

Bill Mill,

That is all you got? Lets all hear your good reasons for letting illegal and dead folks vote. Or do you prefer them bussed in from other states? I don't like unqualified voted being counted on either side. Do you?

Big Ed is on live on MSNBC right now.

I think he's gonna cry.

Suddenly, spending a lot of money on a campaign is a problem. Seemed OK in 2008.

I predict that tomorrows First Thoughts will be about 1000 Libbie posts whining about Citizens United.

78% in Walker 55 Barrett 44 and Big Ed still thinks there is a chance for Barrett

Man these guys have the market cornered on denial

What we know... 1) a close election says a lot about Walker as a failure especially considering all the outside money that he didn't win by a landslide, 2) and speaking of "tactics" Walker is already in trouble for RoboCalls misinforming voters, and 3) the John Doe investigation is heating up.

What we still don't know is how the other folks in this election have done. Walker no longer has a majority regardless, thanks to prior recall elections.

This still sends important messages to the nation that over-reach is a risky business, that democracy must prevail over money, the right for labor to organize must be preserved, and that the middle class must unite to protect their rights against the special interests of the rich/corporations.

Good point from above -- If Walker's claim of large amounts of voter fraud requires a larger margin of victory, than what do these results say?

@WCA,

There has been more money spent in this election cycle than in 2008 and it is only early June. the conventions have not even been held yet.

So what is your point, WCA??

And I am not in any denial. Walker won, the superpacs won with the loudest voice.

@Spanky,

"Reality always win". But reailty is not a contest or game.

Reality can be very hard, relentless, and always throw you a curve.

Most of us see reality only from our own field of vison, just a small part of a greater whole beyond one person's perspecitve.

@newdayDAWNING...RETURNED

It took Scotty 41 million dollars, most of it out of state money to survive this recall.

Actually, for those interested in facts, which I realize you are probably not one, the exit polls showed that only 13% of voters had not made up their mind before the big bucks started rolling in. It looks like that will be within the margin of victory which means all of the money spent by both sides was wasted. Even if that 13% had went for Barrett he still would have lost, so much for the excuse that the election was bought. Not that libs won't be making the claim anyway.

Does anyone find the wrong in that Walker & his cohorts collected money, more than 65+ % from super PAC/corporations OUTSIDE of the state of Wisconsin?

This does NOT bode well for any future US election, by the people, democracy. Citizens United ruling should burn in H.

Tsk. What no one is mentioning here is who asked for the recall in the first place? Certainly not Walker. If the dems could have worked with him for awhile instead of running away perhaps their recall demands would have held more weight. As it stands, they merely ended up looking petulant. Walker was put on notice, he responded and over half of those voting seem to think he's doing a good job. The dems and libs will start whining about the PAC money, which their own president is grabbing, BTW. Citizens United is only one PAC, and, lest we forget, unions are themselves a democrat PAC.

Now, after the election results are in look to the unions and democrats crying foul. Voter fraud, etc. Had Holder stayed away from the fray, the DOJ could step in and look like they were investigating fraud. Now, since they were there from the get-go, not so much. Perhaps Holder will be more inclined to seek some form of voter ID now? Nah.

wow tp(4.20), you just don't know when your butt has been kicked! You desperately need an intervention! And I'm pretty sure your mom, feisty, needs one right now too!

So seriously libbies - you all didn't know you'd get outspent?

Why not - can you not even try to think things through?

Everything is always 'unexpected' right?

See now the bloom is off the rose - the emperor has now clothes and unions are paper tigers.

Hurts, right?

Hey Carl I could use some sharp cheddar Kaukauna Club with a little natural sweet Von Stiehl cherry wine. Spanky for a liberal. It is never their fault, everything is unexpected, and anybody who disagrees is stupid or inbred. Get used to it.

spanky,

You are really funny.

You are answering your own quesions with a question.:))

and you are mixing your metaphors: poetry, childrens stories....

Hey, by the way, did you vote in your Senate's primary today?

wow, one ballot with twenty five chioces, all mixed together,

Did you vote for Corly?

@TruePatriot-445959

This still sends important messages to the nation that over-reach is a risky business, ...

Exactly. The public sector unions overreached and they got their asses handed to them because of it.

I have to believe that obama took a direct hit from a conservative 'cowpie'! And to see feisty speechless is well... priceless!

Nice job Gov. Walker, congratulations to opponents of public sector collective bargaining in Wisconsin and the rest of the country!

@TruePatriot How is 58-41 "close"?

@Jane Why not? After all, we in america are all about marriage equality.

Isn't it interesting that the article does not mention percentages even once???!!! Must not be a happy day at the news desk. I long for a day when the news desk folks just tried to report and to not pour their biases into it. I understand that perfection in that vein is probably impossible, but heavens, in what race do you not mention the statistics these days? I guess just in races that turn out worse than you wanted.

Was there voter fraud in the 60% for Walker?

The GOP says that it is interested in "voter fraud."

How quickly Americans forget.

Unions did not cause our economic rut.

Unethical banks, corporations and the greedy wealthy put us in our economic mess. These entities have left crumbs behind for "the rest of us." Walker will ensure a system of "government by the few, for the few." Unfortunately, too many middle-class folks' political lenses are too thick to realize this. When the GOP in Wisconsin starts legislating that only "people with a $1 million dollars of net worth can vote," the ridiculous middle-class people who voted for Walker will be dumbfounded and stumped. Absurdly, they will blame Obama.

Unions lost one: Wisconsin

Unions won one: Ohio

Walker's "win:" America takes another step to the Right and one more step backwards!

It will be interesting to see what the John Doe investigation will conclude.

• Gov. Scott Walker beats challenger Tom Barrett by a 53%-46% margin
• Walker's margin of victory larger than 2010 race in which he also faced Barrett

HaHa!!

Democrats just wasted millions publicizing their own wretched, greedy, crybaby ways... and only succeeded in making themselves bigger losers than they were before.

Does anyone wonder why they are so desperate to import foreign criminals to vote for them?

Wow. So much vitriol here--surely we will devolve into cannibalism. (Oh, wait. That's already happening.)

How can anyone denigrate a man who spent all his adult life teaching and will now live impoverished for the rest--because you assume he has some kind of pension you don't have? Unions made the middle class, with: pensions, health care, job security, the 8-hour work day, lunch breaks, overtime pay, the right to negotiate working conditions, pay, and more. Our grandfathers fought bravely, some died, for these rights. Corporations, not unions, have taken it all away. Shame on you for responding without any milk of human kindness to another person's obvious agony!

Today, the average CEO grosses 9.6 million a year. Shouldn't you be concerned that both you and the teacher no longer have any say in what you earn, your working conditions, or your future??

Do you sincerely believe one person's work can be so many times more valuable than another's? We have socialism for the bankers who created the financial debacle of 2008--and we as taxpayers will have to pay for their future gambling, such as J.P. Morgan's most recent $3 BILLION dollar blip--and you want to whine that somebody who's struggling financially gets a meager pension but you don't???

Half the working families in this country now earn $30,000 or less per year. You're suffering financially, so you want the people in the same boat pushed off to drown--

-- instead of turning your wrath on the very few people at the top who are controlling you like puppets--it makes no sense. The Tea Party was whipped into such fear Obamacare would change their Medicare, in 2010 they voted into office the very people who want to END their Medicare--and they carried signs saying "Get government off my Medicare," oblivious to the fact Medicare is a government program--wake up, people!

Half the people in this country have IQs under 87; 80 is considered 'retarded.' There's a lot of that going on in these posts. So many of these memos deny history, facts, moral principles--so extremely sad for our children--we are leaving them a crazed society raging with blind hatred and fully armed. On a planet soon to be without potable water, unpolluted air, or sufficient viable soil, because of a desperation for fossil fuels we absolutely know cannot last. Either we bury our heads in the sand in brazen denial, or we sit complacent at the TV swallowing whole every commercial Dirty Energy puts in front of us. Frozen like Buddhas without brains, eating lies & non-nutritious but carcinogenic 'foods' processed by--mega multinational agri-corporations.

Why not use our best & brightest to transform into new, clean energies, creating a better environment along with new industries and careers? Why has Congress refused to act on the President's jobs bill to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure--and create 2 million new jobs?

Because the sole Republican agenda is to break Obama. Shame on us, who want to go backwards instead of forward, who want to shatter the American dream because 'we ain't feelin' it right now, ourselves.' We should feel joy this man was able to break through huge barriers, instead of damning him for the color of his skin.

We should feel deeply ashamed that Congressional conspiracy--yes, Republicans agreed they would not support him at all on the day he was inaugurated--has prevented this President from performing many of his rightful duties. Congress has prevented votes or denied over 200 of his appointments, leaving many facets of government leaderless for his entire term--by secret filibuster. Shame on us for allowing such evil in the halls of our federal legislature! Congress hasn't even the right to say no to presidential appointments. The Constitution merely allows them to advise before consent.

Corporations have been wildly successful in dumbing us down over the past half-century by TV; many of us are simply cows who moo whatever lies they feed us. We blame the wrong people, focus on supplied distractions, and sit complacent in front of the TV while the corporate agenda strangles the great nation we once were by controlling our government completely.

Our answer to corporate manipulation? Exactly what corporations want: let's make government so small it cannot possibly regulate or protect anything we the people need to survive. Without a strong government, the most immoral, greedy bullies take over. Voila Wisconsin.

Although the story there isn't finished, what with the John Doe investigation, and now those robocalls telling people if they signed the petition they didn't need to vote. Btw, Marquette University stripped Walker of student office as "unfit" because he violated so many of the school's campaign rules.

Like cows to slaughter, we're fattened on the myth government is wasting money on 'entitlements' and we can't survive economically unless we make it much smaller. Romney increased government spending by 16% in his four years as governor of Massachusetts, cut education 16%, & increased college costs 63%. The big spenders have been Republicans. The Paul Ryan budget plan Romney calls 'fabulous' won't cut the deficit, it will actually increase it--congressional budget analysis has proven it. They want to throw $$$$$$ at the Pentagon the military doesn't even want!

Republicans will keep this nation at war in perpetuity, continuing to degrade part of the population to cull from an uneducated underclass driven by necessity to military service--why? Because war is good for business. Bad for everything that lives, but really, really good for business. Ask Cheney (whose name rhymes with "meanie" btw, but Rove changed it for the 2000 campaign). Cheney was CEO of Halliburton before talking Bush into war--you cannot imagine how wealthy Cheney is, now that he's made so much off our nation's biggest private military contractor!

I once thought ending the draft was a good move. Now I know it was a cynical ploy to make us care less about this constant state of war. So let's not educate 'certain people.' Let's give them the high honor of serving in the military & dying 'for freedom.' Letting soldiers be killed is like allowing for a certain number of people to die in car crashes--it's just a cost of doing business. We pay private military contractors ten times what we pay our soldiers, to do what our military used to do and can still do at far less cost. But war is a beautiful industry--military/industrial corporations never die.

Overspending?? President Obama is cutting deficit spending more than any president since Nixon, except for Clinton, as shown in a graph at this link: govt-spending-per-capita.jpg

Moreover, the example of Great Britain/Europe's austerity programs as colossal failures should teach us lessons we need not experience ourselves. Britain's unemployment rate has been stuck in double digits for several years.

We learned after the Depression that in tough economic times, we have to grow our way back. The New Dealers were at first reluctant and nervous about overspending and government adopting fiscal policies for business, despite the advice of economist John Maynard Keynes, but Keynes was proven right; their initial efforts were insufficient. Then they threw enormous sums into the effort--our public parks, highways, bridges,memorials, and civic buildings are monuments to their success. The only reason Obama's stimulus didn't work, economists agree with Robert Reich : it wasn't big enough.

From the aftermath of the Depression until Republicans scratched it in the 1990s, along with the rest of governmental fiscal policy and regulations, the few simple sentences known as the Glass-Steagall Act protected us from a second Depression. By contrast, the anemic Frank-Dodd Act, to which Dodd allowed corporate lobbyists to write in their own multiple loopholes, is like the boy who held his finger to a wall to hold back the sea--a mere attempt at bravery, but foolhardy & useless.

For the past 20+ years, all federal laws have been written not by Congress, but by corporate lawyers. Congressional members are not so much lawyers anymore, as they used to be, although one would think people who make laws should of course be lawyers, trained for the job. Bright people no longer seek public office--it's a hellish life. The people who do campaign for office do it not to serve we the people, but to get in the pockets of corporations where they can get fabulously wealthy, too. Today, the average education level of congressional members is tenth grade! We should be ashamed we allow this to occur.

Socialist?? Every idea President Obama's put forward, including Obamacare, was initially a Republican plan in 1995.

We are no longer a democracy; we are an oligarchy. That's because as voters we fail to educate ourselves any further than the 30 second spots we see in media--the more negative the ads, the more we buy into them, because nature has hardwired us to respond to fear as self-protection. We vote with our fear center, the ancient, reptilian amygdala at the base of the brain. Shame on us for not respecting the right to vote by analyzing genuine issues and real facts, for knee-jerking our way through a process that requires our best thinking.

We contaminate everything we have. We consume 150% of earth's 'annual load' of resources every year; meaning, 50% cannot be replenished again in the following year. A myriad of species will die as a result--including, ultimately, us.

An atheist now, I was raised to believe "God is love." Over the course of 60+ years, however, I've been forced to acknowledge we have routinely murdered faith, hope, & love--every idea there is of virtue. I have come to believe humanity is, by its very nature, unsustainable.

Shame on us.

How sad, the assault on the American middle-class and working men and women can now continue unabated.

"Lord, what fools these mortals be."

inorite? and they do not think it will ever happen to them. Lord Romney will save them right? sure he might sell you out to the highest bidder and will let his rich cronies bed the US down like a skid row whore but hey at least I don't have pay for something i dont want to right? like child whining about doing the dishes

"it's not fair, I did them already"

"its not my turn"

"i didn't make the mess"

"your a doody head"

""im rubber your glue"

just like a childs chores being fair or even right do not matter, in the end it has to be done regardless of that and not wanting to pay for something does not make the problem go away.

Don't get the wrong idea i am NOT a king obama supporter, nor a ron paul lover- one is turning us into a police state, the other is naive and thinks the free market can handle everything even when history has shown it won't. romney is a pimp for corp interests

if your going to act like children you will get a childs government - one with no wisdom or courage

TruePatriot-445959 What we know... 1) a close election says a lot about Walker as a failure especially considering all the outside money that he didn't win by a landslide,

A close election is 3% margin. Walker won by more votes this election then he did his first time running against Barrett. A landslide, no, but nowhere near a close race. He smushed him like a cock roach!

What we still don't know is how the other folks in this election have done. Walker no longer has a majority regardless, thanks to prior recall elections.

This is a mute point since WI is not in session again until January. They are done for the year. There is another election in November for these same seats, so these couple of people that may have won the Senate have to turn around and run again in November. So for now they have no power, so WI will have to wait and see who has power in Jan after the upcoming November election.

Now, maybe just maybe, you can see why these recall elections were a humongous waste of tax payers money!

I don't believe for a minute that the conservatives did not rig the election, they are known cheaters and were already accusing liberals of cheating prior to the election and that is one of their favorite tactics, accuse the other guy of doing what you are about to do so as to draw attention away from your crime. The calls to liberals by walker supporters telling them not to vote was just one example of the dirty tricks they used to steal this recall. They are known liar and cheats, evil will always win because it has no morals or ethics and a hell of a lot more money.

I say give them the whole country, they broke it an their followers are too stupid to see that, they had the supreme court, both houses of congress and the white house for 6 years during Bushes presidency and yet their zombie-like followers are blaming the financial mess we are in on everybody but them, Propaganda is a powerful tool when used against those with lower IQ's and since half the Anerican population has an IQ below 100 and 99% of those call themselves conservatives, Fox's job was made very easy. It sickens me to think we have fallen this far in just 32 years. If Thomas Paine were alive today he would be marching in the streets, mad as hell at the rest of us for sitting on our collective asses while the enemies of liberty took this country without firing a shot. And here is how they accomplished it:

1. Panic Mongering. This goes one step beyond simple fear mongering. With panic
mongering, there is never a break from the fear. The idea is to terrify and
terrorize the audience during every waking moment. From Muslims to swine flu to
recession to homosexuals to immigrants to the rapture itself, the belief over at
Fox seems to be that if your fight-or-flight reflexes aren't activated, you
aren't alive. This of course raises the question: why terrorize your own
audience? Because it is the fastest way to bypasses the rational brain. In other
words, when people are afraid, they don't think rationally. And when they can't
think rationally, they'll believe anything.

2. Character Assassination/Ad
Hominem. Fox does not like to waste time debating the idea. Instead, they prefer
a quicker route to dispensing with their opponents: go after the person's
credibility, motives, intelligence, character, or, if necessary, sanity. No
category of character assassination is off the table and no offense is beneath
them. Fox and like-minded media figures also use ad hominem attacks not just
against individuals, but entire categories of people in an effort to discredit
the ideas of every person who is seen to fall into that category, e.g.
"liberals," "hippies," "progressives" etc. This form of argument - if it can be
called that - leaves no room for genuine debate over ideas, so by definition, it
is undemocratic. Not to mention just plain crass.

3.
Projection/Flipping. This one is frustrating for the viewer who is trying to
actually follow the argument. It involves taking whatever underhanded tactic
you're using and then accusing your opponent of doing it to you first. We see
this frequently in the immigration discussion, where anti-racists are accused of
racism, or in the climate change debate, where those who argue for human causes
of the phenomenon are accused of not having science or facts on their side. It's
often called upon when the media host finds themselves on the ropes in the
debate.

4. Rewriting History. This is another way of saying that
propagandists make the facts fit their worldview. The Downing Street Memos on
the Iraq war were a classic example of this on a massive scale, but it happens
daily and over smaller issues as well. A recent case in point is Palin's
mangling of the Paul Revere ride, which Fox reporters have bent over backward to
validate. Why lie about the historical facts, even when they can be demonstrated
to be false? Well, because dogmatic minds actually find it easier to reject
reality than to update their viewpoints. They will literally rewrite history if
it serves their interests. And they'll often speak with such authority that the
casual viewer will be tempted to question what they knew as fact.

5.
Scapegoating/Othering. This works best when people feel insecure or scared. It's
technically a form of both fear mongering and diversion, but it is so pervasive
that it deserves its own category. The simple idea is that if you can find a
group to blame for social or economic problems, you can then go on to a) justify
violence/dehumanization of them, and b) subvert responsibility for any harm that
may befall them as a result.

6. Conflating Violence With Power and
Opposition to Violence With Weakness. This is more of what I'd call a
"meta-frame" (a deeply held belief) than a media technique, but it is manifested
in the ways news is reported constantly. For example, terms like "show of
strength" are often used to describe acts of repression, such as those by the
Iranian regime against the protesters in the summer of 2009. There are several
concerning consequences of this form of conflation. First, it has the potential
to make people feel falsely emboldened by shows of force - it can turn wars into
sporting events. Secondly, especially in the context of American politics,
displays of violence - whether manifested in war or debates about the Second
Amendment - are seen as noble and (in an especially surreal irony) moral.
Violence become synonymous with power, patriotism and piety.

7. Bullying.
This is a favorite technique of several Fox commentators. That it continues to
be employed demonstrates that it seems to have some efficacy. Bullying and
yelling works best on people who come to the conversation with a lack of
confidence, either in themselves or their grasp of the subject being discussed.
The bully exploits this lack of confidence by berating the guest into submission
or compliance. Often, less self-possessed people will feel shame and anxiety
when being berated and the quickest way to end the immediate discomfort is to
cede authority to the bully. The bully is then able to interpret that as a
"win."

8. Confusion. As with the preceding technique, this one works best
on an audience that is less confident and self-possessed. The idea is to
deliberately confuse the argument, but insist that the logic is airtight and
imply that anyone who disagrees is either too dumb or too fanatical to follow
along. Less independent minds will interpret the confusion technique as a form
of sophisticated thinking, thereby giving the user's claims veracity in the
viewer's mind.

9. Populism. This is especially popular in election years.
The speakers identifies themselves as one of "the people" and the target of
their ire as an enemy of the people. The opponent is always "elitist" or a
"bureaucrat" or a "government insider" or some other category that is not the
people. The idea is to make the opponent harder to relate to and harder to
empathize with. It often goes hand in hand with scapegoating. A common logical
fallacy with populism bias when used by the right is that accused "elitists" are
almost always liberals - a category of political actors who, by definition,
advocate for non-elite groups.

10. Invoking the Christian God. This is
similar to othering and populism. With morality politics, the idea is to declare
yourself and your allies as patriots, Christians and "real Americans" (those are
inseparable categories in this line of thinking) and anyone who challenges them
as not. Basically, God loves Fox and Republicans and America. And hates taxes
and anyone who doesn't love those other three things. Because the speaker has
been benedicted by God to speak on behalf of all Americans, any challenge is
perceived as immoral. It's a cheap and easy technique used by all totalitarian
entities from states to cults.

11. Saturation. There are three components
to effective saturation: being repetitive, being ubiquitous and being
consistent. The message must be repeated cover and over, it must be everywhere
and it must be shared across commentators: e.g. "Saddam has WMD." Veracity and
hard data have no relationship to the efficacy of saturation. There is a
psychological effect of being exposed to the same message over and over,
regardless of whether it's true or if it even makes sense, e.g., "Barack Obama
wasn't born in the United States." If something is said enough times, by enough
people, many will come to accept it as truth. Another example is Fox's own
slogan of "Fair and Balanced."

12. Disparaging Education. There is an
emerging and disturbing lack of reverence for education and intellectualism in
many mainstream media discourses. In fact, in some circles (e.g. Fox), higher
education is often disparaged as elitist. Having a university credential is
perceived by these folks as not a sign of credibility, but of a lack of it. In
fact, among some commentators, evidence of intellectual prowess is treated
snidely and as anti-American. Education and other evidence of being trained in
critical thinking are direct threats to a hive-mind mentality, which is why they
are so viscerally demeaned.

13. Guilt by Association. This is a favorite
of Glenn Beck and Andrew Breitbart, both of whom have used it to decimate the
careers and lives of many good people. Here's how it works: if your cousin's
college roommate's uncle's ex-wife attended a dinner party back in 1984 with
Gorbachev's niece's ex-boyfriend's sister, then you, by extension are a
communist set on destroying America. Period.

14. Diversion. This is
where, when on the ropes, the media commentator suddenly takes the debate in a
weird but predictable direction to avoid accountability. This is the point in
the discussion where most Fox anchors start comparing the opponent to Saul
Alinsky or invoking ACORN or Media Matters, in a desperate attempt to win
through guilt by association. Or they'll talk about wanting to focus on "moving
forward," as though by analyzing the current state of things or God forbid, how
we got to this state of things, you have no regard for the future. Any attempt
to bring the discussion back to the issue at hand will likely be called
deflection, an ironic use of the technique of projection/flipping.

BodyDouble: Thanks for illustrating to us what Dems/Libs are like. You know yourself and your kind so well.

hahnm You illustrated my point perfectly, when the conservatives have no point to debate on they simply transfer their faults to those they are debating. Thank you very much for proving my point directly after my post, it worked exactly like I thought it would. You fools fall for the same trap every time.

CNN,FOX, reporting 59% walker 41% the democrat...Rachel Maddow(msnbc) not reporting:-)

She's doing her Republican bashing. I guess Republicans are Nazi's now. MSNBC is funny!!

Not all people who are into politics are evil. Political events seem evil because Liberals and Conservatives act very immaturely when it comes to the topic of politics. Uncle Sam wants you to vote, but Uncle Sam doesn't like it when people start blaming each other (both Liberals and Conservatives blame each other).

Paul...she will be getting a good tongue lashing tonight

Our current President, who I voted for, started this when he and hios Dem gang took control of the politics in DC. Obama di d exactly the opposite of what I hoped for when he split us down lines of race and class. His radical agenda met the brick wall in the 2010 election. Once again, I must take the best of the worst in the next presidential election and that sure as hell won't be Obama. This will really be something if the unions lose in Wisconsin.

One I can agree with for a change. Thank you for that comment.

D'uh

Poor public sector unions, demanding that taxpayers continue to pay inflated slaries and benefits to them.

WE THE PEOPLE SAY NO!

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Division and bitterness in embattled Wisconsin. Harmony and cooperation in Michigan. Both States elected Republican Governors in '08. Wisconsin elected a narcissus. Michigan elected an empathetic roll-up-his-sleeves Governor, bending the noses of both parties to turn the State around. Mlive.com/politics "Michigan profits from Snyder's long view" for the story.

I keep hearing I voted for Obama in 2008 but I won't this time from many people for many reasons and every liberal says they are going to hold all the groups they did before. Not unless some of us vote twice.

It's sad when a president promotes divisiveness among the people he is supposed to be serving!

Recalls are affirmed as valuable. We out of state observers now know that the People of Wisconsin like what Walker has been doing. They like it in a big way. This will be important in other states now. Voters of Wisconsin turned out in record numbers and they all had a shot. The vocal minority would have had us believe last week that Walker was about to be tossed. Not true by a long stretch. The silent majority have spoken.

The silent majority

you mean the people who dont vote because they cannot afford to be called for jury duty and lose 2 weeks pay? or the people who cant vote because they work 2 jobs. theres a reason the elderly vote in huge numbers and it sure isnt noble- they just want a tax break for themselves and when the cats away....

How about when dead people and illegals vote to begin with.

roc1960,

Name one adjudicated case that supports your claim that dead people and/or illegals ever voted.

Naif

"How about when dead people and illegals vote to begin with?"

Then you know it's a democratic victory, of course. So, how many times do democrats get do-overs when they don't get their way? Maybe they can follow California and get an activist judge to change the vote.

Bill in Mill Creek just do a search o "dead people voting" you will get lots of news storys.

Here you go Bill.

a 2005 state senate election in Tennessee that was decided by fewer than 20 votes; in this case, a post-election verification process established that two fraudulent votes were cast on behalf of dead people. Three election workers were indicted, and the results of the election were voided.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Dead_people_voting

Billy?

Do you have a problem with showing that you are a registered voter and proving that you are who you are when you vote? I don't. If making sure that voters are actually qualified to vote and and adhering to voting laws is a problem for you then I find your rebuke of Blackrose weak if not an advertisement to not follow our laws. Please, please explain how you are an advocate of not making sure people who show up to the polls should not provide proof that are an eligible voter. I look forward to the squirming to come up with reason that is not a reasonable thing.

A 19% deficit? Are you seriously charging ANY party could manage to pull that off and get away with it? Seriously?

Says the person who had Mickey Mouse and Adolph Hitler on the recall petition. Haha sour grapes for sure. Americans may be finally waking up to the nightmare liberals have rot. By the way Mickey lives in Florida and Adolph is pushing up weeds. Its tough for them to vote from their out of state locations.

@Jim Backus your Democrapic leader O SHAM A, didn't even support his ally. Think about it. Regardless of the party, the fiscal conservative TEA PARTY SPOKE in one LOUD VOICE. QUIT SPENDING OUR MONEY ON YOUR SOLYNDRA'S. Quit thinking that you deserve anything you have not earned. Quit acting like the Unions (who are a for profit organization) are looking out for you. The Union Boss' are as rich as the KOCH family, Walmart Family, the Hilton Families. According to your threats of running business out , by buying them out, that must put you in that ELITE group, although I cannot fathom why someone of that Stature would hang out on a BLOG Site. Go have a Frappucino and have your masseuse rub you down while you listen to Gaelic or Celtic music to minimize your stress. If your refusing to help morons makes you feel better, than like BABS, you can go hang out in ASPEN with the MOLD crowd, you know the crowd that was good in their time, but now just ooze out their vehemence like a poodle barking on Paris Hilton's arm.

Mr r,

Go back and read Jim Backus post.

I will give you a hint. " I will work like a Fox/GOP Fascist - " this is the key , what comes after the - ?

Just concentrate, you will get his meaning sooner or later, or maybe not....:))

@Blackrose Maybe that's why we need voter ID laws. Of course, we can't do that because that's voter supression.

Comment # 6 restored for clarity.

"restored for clarity." What the heck does that mean?

How about "Comment # 6 restored because of MSNBC's foolish system that allows petulant people to collapse posts. We here at MSNBC appologize for creating a system that easily allows people to censor free speech."

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Yes, lets all race to $8 an hour, no benny jobs! Get rid of all the safety regulations and safety nets! They cut into the profits too much! It worked so well for Greece after all.

JIM Backus---------- you lefty handouters get really nasty when you see you freebies going away, don't you?

Well so far, profits are up across the board and jobs are going over seas and those jobs here are ignoring safety and making people work for minimum wages. If you think that is good for America then we shall see. So far what was gained to the sixties has been slowly taken away. Fifty percent of the population live in poverty, we have millions on the streets and children starving daily. If that is what you think makes this country a good one then you should be happy that waker won.

Twenty years from now when most of the nation will be in slavery for low wages, you can brag how you knew it would be this good back in 2012.

I am amazed at how easly fooled the public can be. 1% have 98 percent of everything and still the ones that gave it to the one percent win elections. That means 50 % of the people vote for those that are taking everything away from them and giving it to the rich one percent.

Good for you !!