"The timing of these new anti-American laws is unmistakeable."

Only American Citizens are allowed to vote in the United States so how is it "Anti-American" to make sure only "American Citizens" are voting?

The only opposition to "verifying only American Citizens are voting" are those that know they will loose there "Non-citizen" votes.

Before you Scream that "Voter ID Laws Place an Undue Burden on the Poor and Elderly". Consider that the SCOTUS already rejected that argument in 2008 and said that States do have the right to verify only US Citizens are voting. Before you scream, "its such a burdon for the poor and elderly to get a photo ID", consider that the REAL ID act of 2005 requires everyone in the United States to have a REAL ID by 2014 or 2017 so how is it a burdon for people to have to get an ID to Vote when they have to get an ID anyways because of Federal Law?

How many illegals are actually voting? I don't know many illegals, but the ones I have run across try to remain under the radar as much as possible. Risking discovery and deportation by illegally voting is not a chance most people would be willing to take. It seems to me like another example of an entire party being susceptible to fear mongering and trying to sucker the rest of the country in to their delusion.

This is non-partisan: We should be much less concerned about the probably less than 1% of illegal votes than the 40% of eligible Americans who simply do not vote at all. This is the shame of the American electorate. While so many of those in other countries die trying to vote, so many of us just don't bother. The percentage of illegal votes would be microscopic if all voted.

I was in Florida last week and the "purging" of voters caused a WWII veteran who stormed Normandy to be removed from his voting poll. That's messed up regardless of what side of the fence you stand on.

I don't think this will work and is just a scare tactic by the GOP as they know the Hispanic vote is lost for good.........

Why isn't there a law that states that a non-citizen who votes in the United States of America will be deported? That should fix it!

Got a problem with that?

I'm curious about what people on the left and right feel about creating a law requiring all eligible voters to vote. After all voting is not just a right, it's a responsibility.

@Don Stentz

I'm so far to the right I make the current Republican National Committee look like Communists.

I think a national law to require all eligible voters to vote is a great idea. I think proof of having voted should be a prerequisite to cash any treasury check. Whether it be a welfare check or a tax refund.

So in summary: Yeah, great idea. I'd be all for it.

Hopefully when voters are checked for eligibility, it will be done way before the election. Florida had plenty of time to do this voter purge before the election season. Why wait till now to do it?

@GI Joe-1977278 #1.15: You spout classic "Frank Luntz" republican crap, then admonish everyone not to make this a partisan issue. While not dancing, you are in fact attempting to sing the tune you wish everyone to dance to. Non citizens do not vote. Historically, neither you nor anyone else can present proof of people voting illegally of any consequence since the founding of the country. Conversely though, history is filled with ballot stuffing, ballot changing, misdesignated ballot counting, Voters being sent to the wrong precinct to vote, etc, etc, etc. Has happened with all political parties. Republicans though, are by far and away the worst offenders today. This is nothing more than Florida republicans again attempting voter suppression. Again, voter fraud is relative easy to spot and prevent at the time of voting.

@Don Stentz

Why would they waste a perfectly good partisan argument on a non election year? It all comes back to low info voters. The RNC is hoping bigotry will drive their people to the polls, and the DNC is hoping the same thing.

I mean seriously, this is an American issue, not a partisan issue. Stuff like this should be a wake up call to people. If the state of Florida wants to spend money combating illegal voters, then by all means they have the right to do what they want with their money. That's a state issue, not a federal one. But when the DoJ wastes federal tax payer dollars addressing something like this, it should be seen as a slap in the face to everyone who pays taxes.

@Mac

Whats Frank Lutz got to do with this conversation? Apparently you pay a lot more attention to Republican talking points than I do. As for the tune I'm asking people to dance to, at least my tune doesn't involve subversion of the democratic process.

As for ballot stuffing, ballot changing, and sending voters to the wrong precinct, well those things are already against the law in Florida. Enforcement might very well be selective, but those things are still against the law.

As for voter suppression, if it involves suppressing the ability of a non citizen to dictate what laws I have to live by, then I APPLAUD the Republican party for this endeavor, as anyone not seeking to have the Government subverted should.

I think the way it works is, the feds have control over federal elections. To have each state come up with it's own rules would create havoc with the fed elections. The side that has control over the states voting system would be able to game the system to their advantage. After all the people that count the votes can do way more damage than a few illegal voters. Yes Florida has the right to spend money combating illegal voters, but should not have waited until now to do so. Be nice if people that have been wrongfully purged had plenty of time to correct the error.

@Don Stentz

See? That's the problem. The feds only exercise real control over the states that are addressed in the Voting Rights Act.(mostly southern states). The rest of the states pretty much DO have their own rules with regards to elections. "would create havoc"? Oh man, its already a complete cluster@!$%#. Between gerrymandered congressional districts, and setting up polling stations in the most partisan environments you can imagine, the whole process is infected. All in the name of pushing a form of Government on us that most people don't want. (ie, I don't think most Republicans really want true fascism, and I don't think most Democrats want true socialism).

Sadly, its the PEOPLE who pay the price.

GI Joe-1977278#1.26: Just as I thought. Evasive double talk and deflection. Tell us about all these non citizens who vote. Now you've gone to laws you have to live by that were dictated by non citizens. Might want to talk to your state representative, or federal Congressman about that since they enact 'em. For one who claims no knowledge of "Frankie Luntz" you sure spout his script rather well. You're a classical republican bullsh^tter.

So maybe we need one unifying entity to set standards for all states? Some of the southern states were using Jim Crow laws to suppress voting in the past and apparently are still being watched to make sure they don't do so again.

@Don

AMEN. One unifying standard for ALL states. No social security number?=no vote. Not filed taxes?=no vote. Mind you, I didn't say PAY taxes, I said FILE, which most Americans over 18 are required by law to do anyway. This would solve a lot of problems.

It always struck me as odd that we fund the IRS which can count trillions of dollars down to the penny, but we can't seem to get the concept of counting 400 million votes down.

GI Joe-1977278 #1.30: I don't think illegals should be allowed to vote. I have no knowledge of an illegal voting. I'll venture there are less than 100 documented records of illegals voting in national elections in this country. The acorn overblown fiasco was about workers registering unreal people to vote, so they could increase their commissions. If I remember correctly it was a total of 8. I don't think any of these unreal 8 had illegal sounding names. It is a rather easy process to determine the legitimacy of a persons citizenry at point of registration, and then again at voting. If Florida wants to spend money It would be much better served in spending it on the prevention of election fraud. This is quite prevalent in certain places in every state. Republicans though, wish to have people focus on straw men rather than realities of their thuggery.

@Mac

If you truly believe illegals voting isn't an issue, I would recommend you spend some time in South Florida. Granted, most of the problem with illegals in Florida was perpetuated by a Republican. That's right!! Reagan handed out a national amnesty in the 80's that totally changed the landscape of South Florida, and perhaps many other places as well, but I can only speak on South Florida. Is the DNC using illegals as votes any different than the RNC using dead people to vote? Not at all. Both are equally detestable.

But the question at hand concerns legislation dealing with illegal aliens and their ability to vote. Could the money be better spent somewhere else on a different issue? ABSOLUTELY!!! But, as it stands the money has already been spent, and the issue that the money addressed was illegal aliens voting. Not 100 other issues.

@GI JOE-1977278

this notion that illegals will go through all these hurdles to vote is such nonsense!

you really think they want to take the risk of getting caught committing fraud? so they can be arrested and deported? please, thats such garbage.

i am a foreigner myself, and i certainly do know people who are here illegally. i know folks who have been victims of domestic violence and burglaries who refused to call the police because they didnt want to run the risk of having their background looked into. they live day in and day out with the possibility of being caught and separated from family, friends and the life theyve built here.

if you want to talk about immigration law reform, fine. but trust me, the last thing illegal immigrants are doing is forging documentation to try and vote.

so once again, like i said in my previous post, all republicans are doing is desensitizing people to a serious issue.

What the Righties do not wish to discuss nor reply to is that more legal voters are being illegally removed from the Rolls in a blatant attempt to remove vore likely Democratic Voters. ANY Illegal or Felon that gets away with voting is wrong, but ultimately very limited.

Stopping illegals is as easy as checking their Voter ID's, State ID and A Citizenship Database before receiving a ballot.

RWNJs will argue with talking points, deflection and ignorance of these facts and refuse to admit that the "Solution" is worse than the "Problem". But facts are not the strong point of ANY Extremist, Left OR Right.

Just keep yabbering your blather, though. It isn't like you will wakeup more intelligent tomorrow or the next day anyhow.

Peace

The effort to supress voting is simply another weapon the Far Right Fascists in this country, that have taken over the Republican party and part of the Democratic Party, all bought with money from corporate interests, are running a coup against our democracy.

We need both Liberals and Conservatives in our government and need them to work together and not be power hogs.

Until Conservatives regain control of the Republican Party, we may have to hold our nose to vote for Democrats but they will do better by us and certainly less harm than a complete take over by very bad people.

The coming recall election in Wisconsin is the most important election we will have leading up to the November presidential vote. If we can take the power mongers out of the Wisconsin Walker government, it will set the stage for victory in November.

if we lose, it may eventually lead to civil war because Americans will never sit still for Fascism.

However, you can be a legal alien and have the right to vote up to and including state level elections. You cannot vote on federal elections. There is no way to check or ensure that a legal alien, who is a registered voter does not pull the switch on a federal candidate unless they do not vote that year. You should know that if you have your RA Card.

The problem with checking people's status at the election site is it rings of the harassment African Americans faced before the Civil Rights Movement. They were Met outside the polling sites by white Americans and tested to see if they were qualified to vote. It was wrong then and its wrong now. To even suggest this act takes us back as a people over 60 years and shames us all.

One thing I can't understand, is that if the Republicans want to get a plethora of Democrats off the voter rolls in Florida, why don't they single out the WIDESPREAD problem of the yankees who vote in their home state, then vote in Florida too?

Oh, that's right. The media would portray it as an attempt to suppress the "elderly" vote. AARP would be all over that one.

@GI Joe-1977278#1.34: I don't know you and have no personal knowledge of your claims about South Florida. Therefore, I have no reason to challenge those claims. I am aware of many Cubans, and central and south Americans living there. If you have reason to believe as you do I have no reason to doubt you. Both my wife and me have relatives who have been involved in the management of elections for many years, fact, one, more than 50 years. These folks, as told to us, have encountered unregistered, disqualified, and unqualified people attempting to vote, and only once, a very drunk illegal attempting to vote. On the other hand though, all have expressed concern, and even alarm, over especially, misdirected and miscounted ballots by officials both during and after voting. The area they work is very dense, with a high proportion of Blacks and Hispanics. If your concerns are indeed legitimate, then I appropriately apologize for attacking you as a republican spinner. Regards

Just more silly crap from the far right doomsters and the sheep, bigots, etc, that follow them.

You mean to tell me that with a government as smart (he said facetiously) as ours; that with all of these millions upon God damn millions of border jumpers, that not one God damn person/politician/lawmaker/defender of American RIGHTS, knowledgeable in Federal voter laws couldn't see this coming from the other side of the Moon before 20 or 30 years ago? These interlopers have absolutely no business inside a voting booth. As far as I'm concerned that's "Sacred Ground!" That's what makes America, America. Any illegal caught trying to vote should be charged with a felony right there on the spot. Hundreds of thousands of Americans fought, suffered and died fighting for that freedom and some interloping SOB isn't going to steal THAT too along with his free ticket into this country. I'm God damn sick of this ass powdering the Feds are giving to these sons-a-bitches. This brain dead federal government had better start showing some life between its ears pretty damn soon because most of us are sick of the damn foot dragging on every issue that needs attention and by last count, there are a LOT of them.

… the Justice Department under President George W. Bush, conducted a massive investigation between 2002 and 2006. Only 120 people were charged and 86 convicted during a period when nearly 200 million votes were cast in federal elections. According to a New York Times review of the Justice Department’s efforts, just 26 of those cases involved voting by people who were ineligible, multiple voting or registration fraud — the kinds of offenses that an ID law might catch.

A 2005 report by the Brennan Center found the most common causes of voting irregularities were not people impersonating others at the polls but clerical mistakes, computer errors and instances where two people with the same or similar names were flagged as the same person voting twice. The Brennan study warned that voter ID laws are far more likely to prevent legitimate voters from casting ballots than to prevent fraud.

It isn't about catching illegal voters it's about supressing your opponents likely voters. Vote fraud occurs after the vote. Not during. Remember "hanging chads". Dead people on the voter rolls don't show up to vote. Crooked politicians/voting judges?county clerks etc cast the dead's vote. Mickey Mouse on the registration lists doesn't show up to vote. Again it is the crooked politicians in charge that cast that vote.

I see nothing wrong with making sure that only citizens vote in our elections. There is certainly enough time between now and the November election for the states to verify their voter roles against available databases, including ones that indicate that someone is a citizen as well as ones that indicate someone is not, and give people time to appeal a removal from voter rolls. As close as elections have been in some states lately, all it would take is a few thousand illegal votes, or maybe even only a few hundred, to change the outcome of a national election. The only reason the liberal organizations and the Democrats are against doing this is that most of those voting who do no have the right to are voting Democrat because of the party's stand on granting amnesty to those in the country illegally. We should be ensuring that anyone voting in an election in this country is a citizen - period, end of discussion!!! To do any less is to allow our entire democratic election process to be subverted.

This is nothing more than Obama's Justice Department trying to grab illegal Hispanic votes. Obama will do, and give away anything (so long as it's not his money) to get reelected. This move is so obvious it's ridiculous.

Voter suppression is illegal. End of story.

Who is "suppressing" "voters"?

Questions:

-- Some Americans in the 20th century were born at home and not in a hospital or a clinic. (Some still are, today). This was not uncommon before WW2, when much of the U.S. population's density was predominantly rural. Thus, many retired and elderly Americans don't have a birth certificate. Or maybe they lost it since it's been so many years ago. Does this mean they're not American citizens?

-- Many students of voting age don't have a motor vehicle yet, simply because they can't afford one. Thus, they aren't registered at the local DMV. Some elderly people can no longer drive, nor can many handicapped Americans. Since they no longer have a valid driver's license, does this mean they're not recognized as voting-eligible, American citizens?

-- As a citizen you have freedom of movement in this country. If you move to another state, have a job and pay your taxes for months, but have a foreign-sounding, non-Anglo-Saxon last name or surname on a State database, does that mean you may not be eligible to vote until you prove your citizenship?

-- You are a naturalized American citizen. You may have also served in the U.S. military, even though you were born in a foreign country . Does that mean -- that since you weren't born in the U.S. -- you're not eligible to vote?

-- You're an American woman, You were married or divorced. Does that mean that since your last name was changed, that you may no longer be eligible to vote?

-- Is it perfectly acceptable timing to intentionally place these restrictions into law, obviously in the same year the Primary or General Elections are held?

(I could think of more exceptions to the new, much more restrictive Voting Law rules now in effect in 22 states, and you're invited to add more exceptions if you wish).

Voting is a critical and necessary requirement and is the foundation for any type of Democracy, representative, direct or otherwise. To restrict it, is absolutely unethical.

If you institutionalize into law, the increasingly suppressive restriction of voting eligibility, and only for certain shrinking categories of American citizens, do you still have a "Representative Democracy" for the people? If you believe the answer is "Yes," ...then it remains for whom does this Republic now grant its privileges and rights to? Is this becoming an increasingly restrictive trend in the U.S.?

Under politically conservative leadership that is increasingly moving ever-father to the right, what kind of people must you be, for them to determine who can exercise this right to vote? Only wealthy, right-wing, conservative, extended American generation Caucasions that actively attend Christian fundamentalist church services every Sunday, never a blemish on any criminal record and not even a traffic ticket in your entire life, own registered firearms, pay little to no taxes, pay tithings to the church, and own a thriving business with a perfect business rating and a perfect personal financial credit rating?

@Toasty

Where exactly is voter suppression illegal? I see voter suppression all the time of the infirmed, convicted felons, foreign nationals, illegal aliens, etc.,.

I mean to me personally the convicted felon vote suppression is the biggest one. They still have to pay taxes don't they? Didn't we fight a war over "taxation without representation"?

Now granted, SOME-DAY, not TO-DAY voter suppression may be illegal, but as it stands,(despite your idealism), its quite legal and goes on all the time. It just depends on whose vote is being suppressed.

illegal voting is illegal. End of story.

daryl I another south Texan would say bring it on. Since every resident of the counties along the border are subject to Stop and Question by your friendly Homeland Security department without reason and cannot drive 75 miles north into the state without being questioned on citizenship by your friendly Homeland Security department. We are kind of used to proving the right to move about our state. I managed by means of a wrong turn to go through 2 Border Patrol checkpoints in a ten minute time period in Hebbroville Tx. And get asked if I was a citizen at both. Depending how busy they are you will also get asked where you were born and if you have ID. I did get a wave through after the first question when my half wolf male smelled their female and tried to go through the drivers window.

Removing ineligible voters from the voter rolls is NOT "VOTER SUPRESSION". Moronic!

Quinnapiac did a study a few years ago and found that 9 out of 10 dead voters vote Democratic. That's a fact. This voter verification issue is strictly a Democrat issue. Both cheat but Dems cheat more.

@ Bernie

I like that one. It could even be a commercial catch phrase. "9 out of 10 deceased persons prefer a Democrat". They could make posters and hang them up at funeral homes. Or even bumper stickers like they did with their "Bush lied people died" campaign.

I can't understand why the liberals aren't outraged that dead people's votes are being suppressed. They should propose letting dead people vote on their pro illegal immigration stance with their DoJ counter suit. LOL

Voter fraud is miniscule and statistically non-existent. Instead of spending all this useless energy on trying to prevent some people from voting, we need to expend a lot more energy getting eligible voters to vote. The US has one of the worst voter turnout rates on the planet. The more eligible people who do vote, the tinier is the effect of any possible voter fraud. So a smarter strategy would be getting out the vote, rather than trying to suppress it.

These impeding machinations by the Republican to create roadblocks and extra costs to voters are no0thng more than Jim Crow poll taxes revisited. If Republicans really thought they were the majority in this country as they claim, then they wouldn't be so paranoid about the issue.

One of the last instances of voter fraud in Florida was when Ann Coulter registered in a county where she did not reside.

There are 20 million Mexicans living in the US who are here illegally. Those are the adults not their children. LaRaza uses NGOs in every state to organize the illegals. The primary goal of LaRaza is to take over the southwestern US by training the illegals to crash voting centers in an election year. LaRaza is already boasting that they will have governors in 6 western states by 2020. That was just echoed by the Muslim Brotherhood this week.

The Justice Department entered the long-running struggle over voter eligibility Thursday, warning Florida that its program to check the citizenship status of registered voters violates both Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act and the 1993 National Voter Registration Act

Time for Holder to go when there is no JUSTICE in the DOJ! He has to be sure Barry gets re-elected to keep his job too! What part of ILLEGAL VOTERS doesn't he understand? Is that the ONLY way he can win? How pathetic!

Voter suppression is the master plan of Karl Rove and ALEC. Rove stated if they can remove 1% of Dem votes in 9 key states repubs will win the election. It's proved state after state there is no voter fraud. republicons on this blog are some of the best biggest liars I have seen posting so far. No facts whatsoever, just made up B.S. Voter suppression laws are aimed at the elderly, the middle class people, and college students. Eliminating these voters will enable them to destroy medicare, Soc sec, and the Post office by privatizing. They want the money that is invested in these programs asap for the rich..Elderly will have to come up with money for fees to get numerous copies of ids, add the cost of transportation etc. Many would have to choose between prescriptions or numerous id forms to buy.

No laws were broken by ACORN the fed court decided. The repub stooges that recorded the fake event did break the law.

GIJOE ....what do you find funny or misleading about the phrase "Bush Lied people died?" Obviously you are not a G.I. as we real vets do not find it funny that Bush and cabinet lied to the whole world causing thousands of our soldiers to painfully die. Thousands are painfully wounded and dying because of their lies.

Romney and republicons now made "corporations are people too" Anyone who believes that is a disgrace to all them soldiers who have died. Cheney gave war profits to his corporation Haliburton. OUR SOLDIERS BLEED RED BLOOD. Romney makes Corporations bleed red ink when he destroys them with Bain. Corporations are not people. Teabaggers should be screaming for birth certificates from corporations.

Vote President Obama/Biden 2012 Save our voting rights from the lying rt wingers.

If needing an id is not a big deal....make the law all repubs must have an ID. No big deal you say. Start with yourself. Of course you will not pass this law because rt wingers supporting voter suppression laws are liars. There is no fraud except the ID laws being passed.

In Florida they are purging voters and not giving out the standard they use for doing it. Thousands of voters are being purged because most everyone has their name ending in a vowel. This is profiling Hispanics who will be voting for Dems.

Hi Culheath, lot of repub trolls out tonight eh?

@Seriously

What do I find funny about "Bush lied people died"? Well thanks for asking, I'll be happy to share. First off, if you think Bush had access to some covert CIA intel and the same Democrats who voted for that war didn't have access to the same intel, then your very naive.

It was a serious case of 1984. When the 06 elections came up the liberal wing of the Democratic party started raising hell about the war and those that voted for it, and instead of just owning up to what they voted for, they did like most politicians and simply lied.

Sad part is, many voters purchased the lie they were selling. No way, no how, does a President,(Obama, Bush, whoever), have access to the CIA that is restricted to the White House only. Intel of that magnitude is available to about 70% of US senators,(of both parties), and about 30% of congressmen,(again, of both parties).

As for what soldiers bleed, I don't think you'd know anything about it. Before forming an opinion on it though, I would hope your knowledge of military life is much better than your knowledge of politics.

VOTER ID.....VOTER ID.....VOTER ID.....VOTER ID.

There, one more time: VOTER ID.

Requirement for VOTER ID card: BIRTH CERTIFICATE provided by a State or by the State Department for military residents overseas.

No more dead people voting !!!!!!

Springsteen's Born In The USA doesn't really mean much anymore does it..

Eligible Voter suppression is illegal. End of story.

Dirty tricks are not permitted once they cross the very line of illegality which they(the Republican Governors) falsely claim to be fighting.

Hypocrites and Liars.

GI joe .....do search on Bush Lies about WMD video...watch Bush laugh in the face of every soldier when at galla event for repubs. ...Bush looks under podium, walks around looking under table, chair as if he lost something, walks back up to podium and with that crappy grin says...."No weapons of mass destruction there".......real funny, sending thousands of soldiers to their death, thousands of soldiers wounded and dying....because they LIED! Using old false intel deliberately to start his war because he wanted to be "known as a war president because war presidents are remembered." Colin Powell quit the cabinet because Bush/Cheney Rumdfeldt deliberaetly false intel. Bush cabinet deliberately outed cia agents when they were found out lying about yellow cake. When Bush Sr found out CIA agents outed...he said that person that did that was a...TRAITOR!!!!! I was evac medic, went through Ft Sam Houston 1970.......you play with GI JOE dolls..now I get your moniker....

Yeah right Heartlight3! Nice spin. "Under the radar". I'm reminded of that fact every May 1st. When all the viva La Raza elites are inciting riots protesting in city streets. Waving their homeland flag trashing the neighborhoods demanding rights that people here ILLEGALLY don't have or deserve... Get some new material.

I really haven't seen anyone at all saying that illegals should be voting. That is just bs made up to follow a talking point. If you haven't followed the story, this is about legal and eligible voters being purged without any evidence they aren't eligible. THAT is voter suppression and what this story is about. It never was about stopping voter fraud, and if you think it is you are really either only listening to one channel or have your head in the sand...oh, or you are rooting for voter suppression.

No one wants illegals voting. Everyone who isn't frightened of getting as many legal, eligible voters registered and out voting should be dismayed and against states just purging voters without investigating whether they are eligible or not. Go ahead and laugh it off or dismiss it as "stopping fraud" if you like, but when you find our YOUR name got purged or one mostly from the party YOU like in power I bet you will sing a different tune. Seriously, it is obvious. This could have been done way before now, but this way they can get lots of Democrats off the lists. You better hope your name is "American-sounding", that you belong to the right party, and that you are lucky when you go to the polls or you might find YOU have been purged. Would that piss you off? It sure would piss me off to find out my name was purged without them asking me BEFORE the assumed I wasn't eligible to vote.

Folks I've got to tell ya. the right is first so worried about non citizens voting. yet have little to no concerns for the many thousands of american whom would be removed from the voting list. the right shouts the loudest about a issue that not in the history of these country has happened. they shout it because its what they would do.Some how they are convinced to vote against there on best interest. example- the number one reason this country grew to the greatness it has. PUBLIC SCHOOLS. YET the repubs attack time after time education. yes public schools do have drop outs, bad teachers & a host of other issues. think , think of ALL of the bodys that have came thur the doors of our[ yes it ours] public schools some want public schools to be no more.

@starsailing

Why do you libs always try to insult someone that doesn't agree with you? Is that in the communist handbook or something? I'm a career soldier. I've got more time in the bush than you had in boots. As for Bush lying, ok, I'll actually concede that he lied. IF and that's a big IF you'll concede that THEY ALL LIED.

If the bumper sticker said "DC lied people died", or "politicians lied people died", hell I might even get one of those myself. But we both know that isn't the case.

It was just liberal propaganda for liberal politicians to cover their liberal asses for their liberal constituents. It was a problem unique to liberals. Most conservatives,(like me), didn't give a damn about WHY we hit Iraq. It had nothing to do with intel about aluminum tubes, or Iraqi freedom,oil, or Saddam. I (like all good soldiers), went where my duly elected politicians,(both Dem and Rep), told me to go. The vote was almost unanimous. I don't care if the industrial war machine got rich at my expense. I don't care if Karl Rove got even richer. All this crap you spew implies that Democrats didn't get rich off the war too.

As for playing with GI Joe dolls, actually I play with your mother. Thankfully she isn't a partisan hack like you are, and her ramblings are actually coherent.

Actually, you bought it, didn't you, Sub? Don't you get that what he was talking about WASN'T about stopping illegals from voting. It was about throwing people off the list and THEN seeing if they will protest. If they do the process is as drawn out as possible. He wasn't saying illegals should vote and he has nothing to be ashamed of by saying what he did. I think it is sad how many are jumping on the "illegal voters must be stopped at all costs!!!" bandwagon without finding out why people are upset.

It's amazing how people aren't getting the real story here...but then I guess don't want to see it.

The US is one of the only "Western" countries that doesn't have a federal registry for certifying voters. The current system in the US is atrocious. In the last election I wasn't even asked to show ID, just gave my name and they saw it was on their list -- I could have given anyone's name I guess. Also, the polling volunteer took my completed ballot from me -- in other countries it is illegal for anyone to touch a completed ballot before it goes into the box. Honestly, our system is a joke compared to other countries with really no way to trust that a proper vote takes place.

jh, what a stupid comment, and yeah i have a problem with it. everybody with the exception of you knows, but if you don't then listen up, you can't deport an American citizen someone who was born here or someone who has a green card. we don't have the right to vote in other countries so why should illegals have the right to vote in this country ? since the time i was old enough to vote i have been asked for proper I.D to vote so why all of a sudden are they trying to look the other way, now days illegals are allowed to have their babies here in this country , they are allowed to suck our welfare system dry and they are allowed to get free medical attention when we true Americans are not allowed to. this country is so @!$%#ed up that we are now breaking laws and doing everything possible to accommodate the illegals. this needs to stop now !

don stenta, voting is a right ,not a responsibility. you don't HAVE to vote, you won't go to jail if you don't and people are voting otherwise there probably wouldn't be any politicians. but it would be cool if all American's voted though.

IF and that's a big IF you'll concede that THEY ALL LIED

I wouldn't go so far as to say they lied, but I'll echo what Bill Maher has been saying forever: "the Dems are a bunch of pu$$ies". I'll add to that and say the Repubs are a bunch of bullies. I don't know where you were, but I was here when all of this was happening. I was living in DC (in college at the time), I saw people protest, I heard Democratic officials point out lies. But in the end, the public was deceived (once we heard Iraq was responsible for 911, the non-thinking Public because a concern for some hoping to be re-elected I'm sure) and some Democrats gave in to the bullies.

And as far as everyone "knowing", even Colin Powell admitted he felt like a fool and that he was used because he did not know the source of the information he was presenting to the UN and that it was some guy. So if Powell was being used, who else you think was being misled?

You know before all you naysayers here make yourselves look Like fools get your Damn Facts straight will ya , I live In Florida and there were a few incidences were this Corrupt Voter purge actually stripped a few WWII Vets their right to vote (and yes they were lifelong Democrats) they were US Citizens that fought for This country . So Please before you make any stupid A$$ remarks about Us Citizens get your Facts straight.

@Emanuel

I don't think any of the higher ranking politicians were used or misled. I think they took us down that road "eyes wide open".

I mean seriously dude, you really believe that this ex 4 star general, ex Joint Chief of Staff, EX DUDE WHO PLANNED THE INITIAL INVASION OF IRAQ IN 91, didn't know the CIA AND the situation in Iraq, inside and out, probably better than anyone else? You're really going to accept that?

I'm positive that the war in Iraq,(like any other war), was fought for reasons that will never be released to the public. I'm equally positive that a lot of people,(on both sides of the aisle), got insanely rich from the same war they voted to participate in.

I however will not accept that these same people who voted for war were misled or deceived, especially not by the CIA, and not by a presidential administration or cabinet. Maybe some lobbyists deceived them, but not the CIA.

I mean do you have any idea what the public outcry would be if a group of US Senators got on TV and said the CIA was limiting their access to intel or had ever limited their access?

All I've ever asked, is that the people who voted for it, OWN IT, and stop trying to cast blame.

This is pure and unadulterated corruption of the highest degree and to JS in SD Although I applaud some of your Comments your dead wrong here on all accounts , You Do realize that this Bas^%rd of a Governor we have here in FL was convicted of Medicare Fraud right, the only reason he got away with it is because he paid off numerous people, so please on this Touchy Topic be a little more educated, like I mentioned earlier there were quite a few US Citizens that Fought in WWII that are lifetime Democrats were stripped of those VOTER Rights.

How Bush got into the conversation is rather odd. Now, Holder don't want to enforce voter registration laws, he doesn't want any attempts to purge voter roles of dead people, illegals, felons etc.

Guess he's afraid his boss is going to lose and wants to stack the deck any way possible. Hell, the dead rose many times to vote for LBJ (democrat) and in Chicago the dead are always voting for the democrats. Holder is just hanging onto a time honored tradition. No voter registration fraud exists while he's in charge, he's stated that over and over even though people in his agency have gone on record stating just the opposite.

He won't allow anything to keep those potential and former (now deceased) democrats from making it to the polls. Wouldn't it be nice if the Obama administration cared as much for legal citizens as it does for illegals and foreign countries. What's the current unemployment numbers BTW?

GI JOE doll........ can't handle the truth...doesn't care why all of our soldiers died and were wounded and are dying. Doesn't care that thousands of innocent people were killed because of the lies. So he will voote Romney so Romney can do it all over again. Romney is hiring numerous Bush advisors on foreign policy......here we go again......Yes our soldiers did their duty.......Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeldt, Bush Cabinet lied and failed the nation. Calling all dems unpatriotic while beeating the war drums, ..."mushroom clouds".....yellow cake, ...remote control airplanes with dirty bombs..........BOO!

I will be with a soldier sat at car show , who just came home last week from Iraq. They were the last unit out of Iraq from Mn. I know how he and others feel about the lies. But they went in and did their jobs. You want to do it all over again with Bush failed policy advisors......

MYGIRL....JD was too busy carrying the water for false charges against Edwards put forth by repubs. . Not enough evidence and they knew it. Just like millions spent against Clinton diverting the country from real issues. Yeah JD should be going after banksters, wallstreeters.......btw, you forgot to mention how Florida and Supreme court stole elections for bush jr the cia outer traitor.

@starsailing

Actually its people like you who walk around in a fog and see everything in black and white that are the problem. I have no intention of voting for Romney. Once Ron Paul was deemed unelectable I made up my mind to waste my vote with "none of the above".

Please tell me how everything has been sooooo different having Obama in office. Drawdown in Iraq? BS the soldiers were just replaced with Government funded contractors. Withdraw from Afghanistan? BS Obama sent in more troops than Bush was willing to. Going to shut down Gitmo? BS its bigger now than it ever was.

Yeah, a lot of people have died. Soldiers and civilians. We all knew what we were getting into, and we all volunteered.

I know sitting down there at the VFW on weekends getting drunk and swapping stories about the 'nam, makes you feel like you know something about the current military, but for those of us who see THOUSANDS of soldiers everyday returning from combat, its much different. Truth is, you probably never went past Da Nang, if you even stepped foot in country at all.

If you ever get to a point where you don't see life through the prism of political posturing, you'll be better off for it. It's all a big scam, and ALL the politicians participate.

Star: hate to burst your bubble, but after all the dust settled, Bush did indeed win in Florida. 537 votes. Not much to brag about but parroting talking points without facts gets tiresome. JD has had lots of time to sue states, lie about Fast and Furious, ignore voter fraud and black on white crime (Holder can't go after 'His' people) and weigh in on Trayvon Martin. As to Clinton, no one told him to 'cigar' Monica and lie to the nation, nope, that was all his little peccadillo. Had he not lied from the get-go, perhaps things would have turned out differently for him.

How interesting that you ignore Obama's kill list and fondness for drones. Guess if Obama kills innocent civilians, well that's ok in your book? He don't need no stinking CIA, he's declared himself judge, jury and executioner, don't need no stinking due process either, his 'ever so busy' AG went on air and told the nation that Obama could kill whoever he decided needed to die. American citizen? Hell, Obama don't care. Obama is now God.

We really need a national ID card. Makes it very simple. Show your ID card, and vote. We could use it for so many things. Show your ID card, get welfare. Show your ID card, get emergency room care. Show your ID card, get a job. Show your ID card, open a bank account. Show your ID card, get a drivers license. Show your ID card, get your utilities hooked up. Show your ID card, rent a house. Show your ID card, buy a house. Show your ID card, register a car....

Some people are saying that illegal voters are not a problem. How do you know? If you are not allowed to purge your roles to see just how many illegal voters there are, how do you know how many there are? If you are not allowed to require proof of citizenship for voting, then how do you not know if 20% of the people that are voting are illegally voting?

If I were Florida or any other state I would insist the laws be followed. That means that they should make sure that those who vote are entitled to vote. Clearly there is no basis in either the law or the Constitution that says that non-citizens are entitled to vote. What's the court going to do? Order a new vote? At least for the state elections the state can ignore the federal courts. Regarding federal elections the state can still certify the results. The alternative is to advertise the election the Chicago way: Vote and vote often! We will not require any ID and you can register at the voting booth. So, what's to prevent someone from voting and going out the door and coming in again and voting? They can also go to other polling sites. Now which sounds like the most American way and follows the Constitution and the law?

I have a question I think most of the righties don't want to answer - I know of one person who voted illegally and that is Willard Milton Romney - who while his named residence is La Jolla, California voted using his son's address in Masschusetts - twice

Do I get a finders fee for turning him in

Ironically the only voter fraud I know of is a Republican - running for PRESIDENT

Then of course there was Ann Coulter - who's FBI boyfriend took care of that

Then let's not forget the Secretary of State of Indiana who got convicted of six - count them felonies of voter fraud

Ladies and gentlemen - I rest my case!

If you only know of two people with voting issues, perhaps you should get your news elsewhere.

I have a listed address in NC, if I vote in TN is that a criminal act? I own property in both places and pay taxes in both places. Just like Mitt Romney, and just like Ann Coulter. Personally, as long as they don't vote in both places, I don't see the problem.

Just more liberal talking points.

How can you rest a case when you didn't make one?

What do you expect from a State, who voted for the Republican Tea Party Governor, Rick Scott, who bought his way into the Governorship to begin with; not to mention the appearance of gutter behavior campaign tactics. And let's not forget prior to becoming Governor, that Rick Scott while serving as the CEO of FL Hospitals was given a very big hefty fine for the biggest "Medicare Fraud" in the history of the U.S." at the time. However, now another organization has taken over that title of the "Largest Medicare Fraud". Gov. Scott has been in office for some time now, which certainly was more than enough time to start checking the citizenship of suspected illegal voters. But no, he waits until it becomes too close to the election with allowing enough time for the appropriate Departments to respond correctly with validity. Oh and the clever, ethical, honorable Gov. has pressed the Republican Legislature to pass a law that says no individuals may provide transportation to the voting booths, provide assistance on how to register, or how to vote, etc., etc. If this so called farce of a democratic law is violated, then the person is given a big fine. They even stooped low enough to fine a High School teacher for providing information in a Social Studies Class (or some type of History Class). This is the same Governor, who has taken Medicaid away from the poor and very sick young children (toddlers with cancer) as well. And why is this? Because past statistics show that the minorities and the poor tend to vote Democratic. Gov. Scott, the Tea Pot Party man, has done his very best from the beginning to block the Democratic voters as-well-as to take entitlements away from the poor. But it didn't concern him in the least bit when his hospitals were stealing huge amounts of money from the Medicare System to keep in the Hospital pockets. That of course was apparently okay and politically correct for him to allow. Where' was his concerned conscience then? We know where it is now. Wake up FL (and all other Republican Tea Party States with Republican Tea Party Governors--(i.e. Scott Brown, Scott Walker, etc.) before it's too late to smell the roses form the allegedly illegal hypocritical laws, suppression of unions for some organizations (but not others), etc. FL just can't seem to get their act together when it comes time for voting. Remember the CHADS and absentee ballots from not too long ago (during the Bush election days that he supposedly won by 537 votes) ? These new voting laws are just another diversion to snuff out voting from certain institutions, and groups of of poor, disabled, and minorities. The citizenship checking should have started years ago, as-well-as to follow the Laws of Section 5 Voting Rights Act and the '93 National Voter Registration Act. Constitutional Laws are written for all the States to follow and not just a select few to do as they please.

Here is the thing. Did any of you have to prove that you were a US citizen to register to vote? I don't think so. You may have to prove residency, but that is far different. So if someone looks or sounds like they could be foreign born, only they are suspect? Very possible they were foreign born and are US citizens. Just because someone used a foreign generated document to get a drivers license, says nothing. Let's take a recent Presidential candidate as an example. John McCain was born in a foreign country and I'm sure he has a foreign issued birth certificate. At some point he may have presented that birth certificate to prove he is who he says he is. But we know he is a US citizen, or at least we accept that. Then of course we have some who don't even want to accept a US State birth certificate as proof of citizenship.

To be fair, every registered voter is technically suspect because you don't have to prove your citizenship. If you select a particular subset of everybody, you are clearly profiling based on some other issue. Sorry, but that is a form of discrimination. I believe most voter registrations ask if you are a citizen. You are on your "sworn honor" not to lie. No doubt, some people lie and deceive about all sorts of things, so it isn't all that unlikely that someone would do it on a voter registration. But singling out people to prove it, is simply wrong unless you make everyone prove it.

As someone said, most illegals try to keep a very low profile. But then there are plenty of legal non-citizens too who may have some voting rights as legal residents. One might argue that if you pay taxes, maybe you should have voting rights. Remember a old famous quote from one of the founders? "Taxation without representation is tyranny." Seems like they started a revolution over that issue.

If there is a real concern, then I think maybe there should be some uniform voter registration that requires someone to swear to their citizenship under severe penalty. Beyond that, you would have to go back and make everyone now registered, go back and prove their citizenship. Clearly this is targeted at certain individuals. Anyone who says otherwise should have no problem going out an getting a US Passport and then re-registering to vote with that proof. I'm fairly certain that if that were the outcome, many now complaining about this would be up in arms for questioning their citizenship.

The right wing (republicans) are screaming about problems again... Illegal immigrants wanting to vote for Republicans and the USA is trying to prevent that.

IT'S ABOUT TIME!! BUSH WAS A JOKE IN FLORIDA! FLORIDA IS A JOKE TO ALL AMERICANS!

If you aren't American, you don't count and I don't care who you vote for, your vote stinks and I don't want it! You aren't a true American until you ARE AN AMERICAN! Republicans, you can bite it!

People are correct when they say the US Military did their job and focused on what G.W. Bush wanted (with Cheney and all the other former Viet Nam idiots.. Rumsfeld included!)..

Poor US military was used by the Republicans. That isn't what our military heroes are for! We're for America and if you aren't American, you don't count. You never will, until you're an American. Glad to know the Bush administration has Florida to try and screw the vote for America AGAIN!!

I'll vote Obama, a brilliant man, who has brought America back from the brink in spite of the Republicans efforts to make the rich, richer!

I am sick of the Republicans (GOP Party) and their media frenzy which has switched over the last two weeks... Now we have a close race??????????? Go jump off a cliff you Republican media swine!!!!!!!!

I've never heard so much B.S. from the Republican party as I have the last two weeks!!

I'm calling it a landslide!!! Obama will beat the hell out of all of you in the Republican party. You had no business in the oval office, you screwed up the oval office and YOU CERTAINLY SCREWED ALL OF AMERICA EXCEPT FOR THE RICH!

Die and go down you PIGS!! We're sick of the Republican Party! Suck eggs!!

It's time for regular Amercans to take back America! Welcome to the Democratic Party!

Florida Officials began asking DHS for the database 10 months ago....Eric"MY PEOPLE" Holder, Head Racist at the Department of Racial, Social and Economic Justice (The New DORSEJ)...in cahoots with the willing DHS Secretary Janet"Butch" Napolitano has stonewalled all the requests...

Real ID Act of 2005 Compliance date was another can kicked down the road by Napolitano, singlely pushed compliance from May 2011 to conveniently January 2013....getting it passed the election. These Obama Appointees are conspiring to keep ineligible voters on the rolls....

But even Real ID won't stop all illegals from voting...I point again to recent cases in Florida where Illegals pay $2,500-$3,000 to corrupt Fake Lawyers and DMV workers to obtain fraudulent ID's....3,000 in the first case...Makes them "Legal" Voters, think that can swing the election in a close contest ??...It also gives them complete access to every Government Handout available.

Over 3,000 illegals get Florida (Real ID) Drivers Licence ....making them
"Legal Voters"

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/122737034.html

Another Florida case:

"Shirley was sentenced Jan. 25 to 30 months in federal prison. Gaitrie
Latchman was sentenced Feb. 28 to 28 months. The Latchmans would arrange for
illegal immigrants to obtain Florida driver licenses for a per-person fee
ranging from $2,500 to $3,000, officials said. Shirley assisted in his role as
an examiner at the Clermont
office of the Florida Department of Driver Licenses, officials said."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-29/news/os-illegal-immigrants-fake-drivers-license-20120329_1_winter-garden-man-federal-prison-illegal-immigrants

Not unreasonable for Florida to ask for DHS databased to check against its DMV records

1NewDay...(#1.91)..."Here is the thing. Did any of you have to prove that you were a US citizen to register to vote? I don't think so. You may have to prove residency, but that is far different."

I did, as does anyone else getting a Drivers Licence or ID ever since Real ID went into effect in Florida in 2008. I showed my PA photo Drivers Licence ( not real ID compliant), my certified birth certificate, Social Security card and 2 proofs of residence....It was painless...(Same requirements I needed to get my Passport)

I'm a citizen and a legal resident of Florida making me eligible to vote in National Elections and State and Local elections in the District I live in....

Try walking into the Post Office with no documents and see if they'll give you a Passport.

Sandra said:

everybody with the exception of you knows, but if you don't then listen up, you can't deport an American citizen someone who was born here or someone who has a green card.

Where have you been? Sure DHS can, they've been doing this for a while now.

Mr. George Ibarra, 46, was born in Mexico but was raised since infancy in Arizona. In his late 20s he enlisted in the Marines and served three years on active duty, including time in Iraq, before being honorably discharged. On February 23, 2011 Department of Justice adjudicator Richard Phelps ruled in Eloy, Arizona that George Ibarra had by a preponderance of the evidence proven that he is indeed a citizen of the United States. Rather than rely on this determination and apologize to Mr. Ibarra for previously wrongfully deporting him, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is holding Mr. Ibarra in solitary confinement at the Eloy Detention Center, in clear violation of the U.S. Constitution and a memorandum requiring Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to release anyone with "probative evidence" of U.S. citizenship.

Rennison Castillo, a Washington state man who was born in Belize but took his oath of citizenship while serving in the U.S. Army in 1998, spent seven months in an ICE prison in 2006. Castillo, 33, of Lakewood, came to the United States at age 6 and later became a permanent lawful resident. He was sworn in as a citizen during his seven-year stint in the Army, which ended with his honorable discharge in 2003.

Lack of proper training of immigration inspectors resulted in their mistaken conclusion that Sharon McKnight’s passport was fraudulent. McKnight spent eight days in Jamaica before returning to New York. While there, her luggage, containing all her money, was stolen. Airport workers contributed money so she could reach family members. Once there, her mother flew to Jamaica from New York to take her case to the US consulate in Kingston. With the help of Rep. Michael Forbes (D-NY), consulate officials determined that the passport and birth certificate, which immigration officials had declared fraudulent, were in fact real, and established McKnight’s US citizenship.

When Angela Boneva, a 34 year old went to renew her passport in 2003, the State Department told her she was no longer a citizen. Boneva's father was born in Indiana, and the US consulate in Bulgaria gave her U.S. citizenship while she was growing up in Bulgaria in 1981.The State Department said that an employee at the consulate broke a rule that required her father to have lived in the U.S. for 10 years before she was born, the Tribune reported. Her father had only lived in the U.S. for six years before his parents moved to Bulgaria.

The son of a decorated Vietnam veteran, Hector Veloz is a U.S. citizen, but in 2007 immigration officials mistook him for an illegal immigrant and locked him in an Arizona prison for 13 months. Veloz had to prove his citizenship from behind bars. An aunt helped him track down his father's birth certificate and his own, his parents' marriage certificate, his father's school, military and Social Security records. After nine months, a judge determined that he was a citizen, but immigration authorities appealed the decision. He was detained for five more months before he found legal help and a judge ordered his case dropped.

Hans Joachim Keil was arrested in Dutton in September and accused of being an illegal alien. He was an official representative of Samoa, a current Member of Parliament and a prominent businessman with many family links. He had diverted to Missouri on the way home from trade talks in Brussels where he represented Samoa. “They were going to lock me up for five years plus five years. Five years for impersonating a US citizen and five years for using an illegal US passport. On the day of my arrest when I brought to their attention, that I served in the US military … they threw that out the window and said that I’m an illegal alien and I have no right to be in the United States. They knew I was a Samoan diplomat but they had no regard for my diplomatic passport.”

Mark Lyttle, a U.S. citizen of Puerto Rican descent with mental disabilities who was wrongfully deported to Mexico in 2008. Lyttle’s entanglement with immigration authorities began when he was about to be released from a North Carolina jail where he was serving a short sentence for inappropriately touching a worker's backside in a halfway house that serves individuals with mental disorders. Despite having ample evidence that Lyttle was a U.S. citizen – including his social security number, the names of his parents, his sworn statements that he was born in the United States and criminal record checks – officials from the North Carolina Department of Correction referred him to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) as an undocumented immigrant whose country of birth was Mexico. Lyttle had never been to Mexico, shared no Mexican heritage, spoke no Spanish and did not claim to be from Mexico.

According to her birth certificate, Diane Williams was born in Metairie, La., on Aug. 23, 1974. So Williams was shocked on Jan. 18 when, hours after she was released from a Houston jail on prostitution charges, immigration agents showed up at her apartment and arrested her, saying she was a deportable alien. "I had a copy of my birth certificate, but they said they didn't know if it was real or not," she said. On Feb. 9, she was deported to Honduras, where she spent nearly two months, Rushton said. Eventually, the U.S. Embassy in Tegucigalpa issued Williams a temporary passport, after her mother sent documents proving her identity. On March 31, she flew back to New Orleans.

Thomas Warziniack was born in Minnesota and grew up in Georgia, but immigration authorities pronounced him an illegal immigrant from Russia. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has held Warziniack for weeks in an Arizona detention facility with the aim of deporting him to a country he's never seen. ICE shrugged off Warziniack's claims that he was an American citizen, even though they could have retrieved his Minnesota birth certificate in minutes and even though a Colorado court had concluded that he was a U.S. citizen a year before ICE shipped him to Arizona.

Jim in Auburn said:

We really need a national ID card. Makes it very simple. Show your ID card, and vote. We could use it for so many things. Show your ID card, get welfare. Show your ID card, get emergency room care. Show your ID card, get a job. Show your ID card, open a bank account. Show your ID card, get a drivers license. Show your ID card, get your utilities hooked up. Show your ID card, rent a house. Show your ID card, buy a house. Show your ID card, register a car....

And how long do you think it'll be before some individual figures out how to produce forgeries? And how long do you think it'll be before the people who work at making those cards get paid huge sums of money to make them for someone who isn't here legally? Someone who works at making them could rake in the dough selling blanks out on the black market.

G I Joe - yuou like the Federal government placing your personl information on yet another data base? That would give them more dontrol - something the RIght WINg - despite protestations to the contrary seeem to gravitate towards.

That's why, along with documentation, Biometric Identification should be used to create bona-fide, original documents. That would stop the fakes. Anyone who produces false documentation for ANYONE needs and should receive a mandatory 20 year sentence for each count of fraud! Those purchasing the fakes should receive the same sentence with DEPORTATION after serving if also found to be here illegally.

Did anyone catch this line in the article:

Solicitor General Donald Verrilli confirmed in the oral argument before the Supreme Court on the Arizona immigration law that “there is no reliable way in the (DHS) database to verify that you are a citizen, unless you are in the passport database.”

So your birth certificate, drivers license and social security card aren't proof of citizenship. (brings up the question how AZ cops stopping people for traffic violations are going to verify the people they stop are here legally since green cards, DL, and SS cards can be faked, naturalization papers can be forged, birth certificates can be stolen or forged also.)

Now, if these aren't considered proof, and the only reliable way to prove you're a citizen is if you have a passport--how many Americans don't have a passport? My husband doesn't--and he is a USC, he's half-Cherokee, and his father was a USC, and his grandfather is a USC, came over from Poland as a child after WWI. My husband's mother doesn't--and she's full Cherokee. I don't have one. I work in a business of thirty people and only ten of those thirty have passports, fifteen don't even have drivers licenses since public transit takes them pretty much everywhere.

Now, in the municipality where I live in, when you go to the DMV to get your license done, if you are a citizen you are automatically registered in the jury duty pool. Do you have any idea how many times I've heard American citizens standing in line say they wished they had a green card with their name on it so they DIDN'T have to face the possibility of jury duty?

I even saw a woman who said she went on the Internet, looked up the logo for Mexico's embassy, pasted that on the top of a sheet of paper and typed some Spanish under it saying that she was a Mexican national and signed it herself using the last name Rodriguez. She was showing it to the woman in line behind her and explaining how easy it was to get that in--the customer service people at the desk don't verify the documents, they take the documents, type info into the computer, then put all of that aside for someone else to examine later, and in the meantime she issed the license on a SS card and birth certificate which was crumpled and faded and coffee stained and she had to ask the woman 'what does this say, it's stained and I can't read it'.

I don't know if it actually worked, but I'm pretty sure in my municipality there are a few people who claim to be immigrants who are USCs just ducking jury duty.

Then again, if they are going to go to those lengths to avoid jury duty, it's a pretty good chance they don't really intend to vote either....Voting is like jury duty; it's a civic obligation and it's one of the responsibilities of becoming a citizen.

Amanda-2017567...(#1.96)..."And how long do you think it'll be before some individual figures out how to produce forgeries?'

Granted, but by your logic, the Treasury should just stop trying to make our Currency difficult to Counterfeit...Criminals are very sophisticated and will figure out a way...

Might as well say Bank Robbery is no longer a crime, cause people are going to continue robbing them.

Doing the right thing is always the right thing, no matter that there are those that will circumvent it.

Only Citizens voting is the right thing. A bank robber steals my money....An ineligible voter steals my vote.

Let's see....Try getting to the gate at an airport without Boarding Passes and ID.....try getting your 2 yr.old on without their birth certificate...

What I don't understand is why isn't Eric Holder Suing Janet Napolitano for placing an "Undue Burden" on Minorities, the Disabled, the Elderly, the Income Challenged ....just so they can get on a plane...The same groups he claims Voter ID laws target....

I'll Bet you can't get into the DOJ building where Eric Holder works without one...

Where's Waldo said:

That's why, along with documentation, Biometric Identification should be used to create bona-fide, original documents.

I'm a biometrics technician--it means I take people's fingerprints for a living. The company I work for is an applicant agency, which means we take fingerprints for people applying for jobs. Want to know why they don't put people's fingerprints on documents? Here's why.

Currently, say someone comes in for a daycare license. I take their fingerprints and transmit them electronically via an FBI secured system. The FBI processes them, comes back with background check results, and sends them to the daycare licensing agency.

Now, say someone's fingerprints are going to be placed on a document to verify they are real--there are three basic fingerprint patterns. To someone untrained, they look alike.

Someone can submit a piece of paper with a fingerprint on it (think the Kidprint cards schools give to students.) The person who is accepting the document needs to take the person's fingerprint to make sure they are the person on the card. That means when the person taking the fingerprint looks at the card, they have to know how to tell a fingerprint that is an

RI:L8s1:1-8c1:2-4 c2:2-6b1:4-8 (right index: Loop pattern with eight lines, scar 1 crosses lines 1-8, crease 1 crosses lines 2-4, crease 2 crosses lines 2-6 and burn 1 crosses lines 4-8, that belongs to John Smith;

from a fingerprint that is an

RI:L8s1:2-5 c1:2-4. Right index, loop pattern, eight lines, scar one crosses lines 2-5, crease 1 crosses lines 2-4, from an individual claiming to be John Smith.

The second individual cannot at first glance be John Smith because there is a missing crease and the burn is absent. However, a crease can be eliminated if the person has hand his hands in water for a long period of time (like how your fingertips wrinkle after a long shower or when you've been swimming because the cells in your skin saturate with water due to osmosis) and a burn scar can eventually age out and disappear unless it involved more than X number of layers of skin, and liquid bandage/NuSkin can be used to fill in ridges and 'disappear' a crease, so it is actually possible that the print on the individual claiming to be John Smith and the print on John Smith's document could be the same person.

Now this is a terrible oversimplification of the process, but it's a general idea of how biometrics works. There are machines that match fingerprints, but in the case of very common fingerprints, they currently have to be passed to a processor to be looked at under a magnifying glass. CJIS-certified techs (like me) are trained to spot generalities, but only fingerprint processors can tell how many layers of skin a burn involved and tell if it aged out in the time since the document was issued. Fingerprint processors have to have letters after their names (i.e college/university degrees) and extensive training that costs thousands of dollars.

Long story short--it's simply not practical at the moment because we don't have the technology yet to makle that feasible.

Just curious here. Since libs love to scream that repubs are trying to exclude people from voting, who would be excluded from voting with an ID requirement? Last I checked, everyone who is citizen in this country can obtain a valid Photo ID. In fact, I'd venture to say that 99.9% probably have one already since an lot of things people do during the course of the day already require one. Sure, you can survive in this country without an ID, but, it does restrict you a bit. You'd think that with the lib media and politicians out there that they would be parading people in front of the cameras by the thousands if they were prevented from voting because they couldn't get an ID even though they are a citizen. Hasn't happened. And there's a reason for that.

"The state said its initial check found 180,000 potential non-citizens who may be registered voters."

So the State has found almost 200,000 potentially ineligible voters, but Obama's Justice Department says "You can't try to remove them without clearing it with us first".

Hmmmmmmmmmmm - I wonder how long the Justice Department will take to approve it - probably AFTER the elections in November, since most of the ineligible voters will likely vote Democratic.

So the Democrats say "There is little proof that ineligible voters participate in elections" as an excuse not to require 'voter ID' laws, but Florida has found as many as 180,000 non-eligible voters on their voter registration rolls. If ANY of those 180,000 registered voters is ineligible, how did they get registered to vote?

Something is wrong here - and I suspect that the reason there is 'little proof' is because it's illegal to check to see if a voter is ineligible, not that it isn't happening.

What are the odds that a truly citizen that is truly qualified to vote but lacks any kind of valid identification would actually be motivated to vote? I'd say very few.

And if there are really 180,000 ineligible voters registered to vote in Florida today, I wonder how many of them voted in the 2000 election that was so close?

ROY WILSON-336103....The Illegal population in Florida has swelled to over 1 Million since 2000-2004...One Candidate in particular is running around dangling the Amnesty Carrot on a Stick...." I know I promised Dream Act Legislation in 2008, but trust me, stick with me....I really mean it this time"....

Even if it's ONLY half the 180,000 on the FL Voter rolls that are ineligible.....which way they gonna vote ???

THAT'S why Holder and Napolitano have playing the stalling game....and now claim it's too late.....90 days before the Primary.....They are slick, sly, devious, cunning and diabolical Evil Social Engineering Scientists....

JH-479998 "Why isn't there a law that states that a non-citizen who votes in the United States of America will be deported? That should fix it!"

Not if the Justice Department continues to refuse to deport anyone unless they have committed several 'serious crimes', which is the standard they use now - under new 'discretionary rules' adopted by Obama's Administration.

Another example of our failed "leaders" not acting to resolve the issues. I guess they are surprised that an election is nearing. We all knew there were problems with the way people are registered, yet no action has been taken to meaningfully fix the system.

Similar to the way we all know "too big to fail" still exists, yet still no fix.

If our politicians were running a business, they would have folded within a month.

Simple planning and decisive action... tough concept I guess.

These Teapublican claims are so stupid. In my state voter registration is strict. Once you prove citizenship with a birth certificate, passport, you name it, and then show up to vote where you name is on the list, what kind of fraud can really happen?

In my state you don't have to be a citizen to get a driver's license. A photo ID proves you are the person on the list, and that's all. Okay, so let's say someone steals my driver's license to vote. They would need to know the precinct and be willing to risk showing up after I already voted. Has there ever been one single case of this happening?

Purging rolls of folks already registered means either the state has no confidence in their registration process, or is targeting voters likely to support the opposing Party. Me thinks the later. If these idiots were really concerned about voter fraud, they would allow outside monitoring and use purple ink on the finger. Please, it's nothing but voter suppression.

Far too many American citizens fail to vote. Many of them are struggling to make it day by day to feed, house and clothe their families. They don't have time to stay informed about current issues. They don't have time to mark the calender for election day. They can't afford to take time off work to vote. They're too damn tired, after working two shifts, to stand in line at the polls to vote. Many of them don't have transportation. Their status in life tells them that government doesn't care about them anyway. This has been an age old problem for many, many decades and has been very common knowledge for almost as long.

That's why we have many voter drives to provide transportation, make voter registration easier and encourage them to participate in this great American experiment. This should never be a partisan issue, but an American issue. This American dream of a successful democratic republic only works if all of us participate. Our government can never truly be representative otherwise.

These new voter suppression laws have very little to do with addressing an extremely minuscule problem of illegal voting. It has everything to do with placing further stumbling blocks in the path of millions of legitimate American voters that have difficulties getting to the polls. You know that as well as I, regardless of your political persuasion.

Why do we continue this farce by debating the virtues of these laws to curb illegal voting? We should be having an honest debate about purposely trying to prevent 20% of our hardest working American citizens from voting for their own representation. You have the right to your own beliefs. If you think that America will be a better place without their participation, then have the guts to say so without hiding behind an issue that pretends to be about something else entirely.

Mike from DelRay,

A Florida driver's license doesn't indicate citizenship. You don't need to be a citizen to legally get a Florida license. I checked with the DMV. And just because, you proved that you are a citizen, and got your voter registration using your license as ID, doesn't mean you proved your citizenship to become a registered voter.

It is pretty much the same elswhere. The point is as I stated, you don't need to prove citizenship to get a voter registration. If we want to make that proof a requirement for voter registration, it would need to apply to everyone, including you, because I can assure you that you didn't get a voter registration having to prove your citizenship.

What do you think the beef is about? The DMV records indicate that some people proved their ID using foreign documents to get a license. They used their license to become a registered voter. Therefore, they have been deemed "suspect" by the right wing investigation. Millions of US citizens were born in other countries.

And you say it was "easy", well maybe for you, but if you're 80 years old and don't drive, it will take some more effort. Takes time and money to get those required documents to get the license or State ID. If we want to make the system more elaborate in the future, I suppose that may be fine, but I don't see throwing people of the roles because they did nothing different than everyone else.

This whole thing is truly about trying to eliminate voters who have a 90% probability of voting Democratic. You know that, I know that and everybody knows that. You can pretend to believe otherwise if you wish. Maybe instead we should be looking at rich people with multiple residences. Seems like it's highly probable that they could be voting in multiple States. Maybe the own property, but don't really satisfy the true "residency" requirements. So maybe we should hire private investigators to follow them around to verify that they are actually "resident" in a particular State. We don't want these people voting illegally anymore than we want non-citizens voting illegally.

The problem is that many states do not require citizenship to get a driver's license, and then they allow people to register to vote if they have a driver's license - especially since states also have forms at their Motor Vehicle Departments that allow people to register to vote under the 'Motor Voter Act' of 1993, signed by Bill Clinton when he had a Democratic majority in Congress.

There is no reasonable way to assure that hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people are not improperly registered to vote, since 'privacy concerns' prevent checking to verify.

If there really are 180,000 registered voters in Florida that are ineligible to vote, I wonder how many of them may have voted in the 2000 Presidential election, where Bush won by only about 500 votes, and that state decided who became President.

I also have to wonder if there was a similar problem in Minnesota in 2008 where ACORN registered about 40,000 voters in heavily Democratic areas, often using illegal methods, and Al Franken won his Senate seat by about 300 votes, which allowed the Democrats to reach the 'magic' 60 votes they used to pass Obamacare.

To deny that there could be a problem with people voting illegally with national implications is burying your head in the sand - or worse yet, ignoring the potential problem because your side benefits - cynicism at its worst.

@Amanda:

It seems that your knowledge and proficiency with Fingerprinting techniques bears witness. You are certainly good at what you do. BUT! Fingerprinting is probably fine for many uses and certainly cheaper to apply to any given need for identification purposes. Biometric EYE scanning; Voice recognition and FACIAL Recognition are the Biometrics used by our Defense Department; CIA; FBI and probably most Engineering firms who provide products and services to our Military. And probably 99.9% of most people including most cops couldn't read one fingerprint from another anyway. The people Charged with protecting our country and its citizens need EVERY weapon available to stem the tide. To DENY any individual, border passage, when they are NOT who they say they are. To DENY individual Entry to someplace he or she doesn't belong. To DENY THOSE who would obfuscate; hide; cheat; steal; destroy; kill/murder under a false name because "THAT" face doesn't belong to the person on the FAKE I.D. card they are showing, to do any or all of those things I mentioned. The technology is there, and the technology WILL be used eventually throughout this country because we haven't seen the end of terrorist activity in this country I'm afraid. The sooner this technology is integrated, the better. I would bet that even right at this moment, that every person who steps off an International flight has had their picture captured in a computer and HAS or will have their face run through a Facial Recognition Program. We're "Fiddling while Rome Burns" while we wait for the next assault that kills American Citizens on their own soil.

ROy WIlson - thanks for the trip down memory lane with the complaints about ACorn. ANd the whining about Affforable Health Care - (what you calll ObamaCare.) WHy is that RItghties are always happpiest when depriving people of things they neeed ? e.g. a living wage, Health cARE, CHOICE OF MATE OR THE VOTE?acoRN!!!! jEBEDIAHwIGHT!!!111 bLACK pANTHERS!!!!!!!! gAY mARRIAGE AT gROUND zERO!!!!!

I'm sorry, but if you are against ensuring that ONLY eligible voters cast ballots in ANY election, you're simply for breaking the law and letting demlibs and sh**-disturbing groups stuff ballot boxes and try to steal elections. It's that ___ing simple. Toss the illegals and non-eligible voters off the voting roles by whatever means necessary to validate the results of elections, especially ones like this upcoming election, where the survival of our country, as founded, is at stake. NOBOZOBAMA 2012!!

GI Joe - YAWN.... I think everyone pretty well flat lined due to your pointless verbosity.

@kimH

So you utilize pointless verbosity, to complain about pointless verbosity. I'm astounded at your wit!!!! I mean seriously, you must be the most awesome person posting on the internet.

As for flatlining a thread, it DID generate 118 posts. You should take note.

GI Joe - You not only are verbose - but just too smart and wonderful for any more words. Get over yourself, please.

Well, 2 days later it's good to see everyone agrees that no one would be excluded by requiring valid ID's to vote. So, the dems are just full of BS after all.

commonsense: Really? Millions of Americans would be prevented from voting? Actually, you make the argument for having the ID requirement. Do you really want all these uninformed and lazy people who won't make any effort to establish their entitlement to vote and/or make any effort to get informed on the issues to run the country? Lot's of people are busy. But, guess what? If they want to vote, if they want to buy beer or wine, if they want to drive, if they want to have a bank account, if they want to travel out of the country, if they want to do anything, they make the effort to do what is necessary. Like I said, you just made the argument as to why the ID should be required.

witchrunner? Really? You prove my point by calling millions of people uninformed and lazy. There are many more exactly like you that would deprive these people of their right to vote. Let's go back to pol taxes. Better yet, we can go all the way back to days when only wealthy land owners could vote. That's what many truly mean when they say they want to take this country back.

A lot of voters are not as informed as we would like. Given the choice of allowing them to vote vs. the seriously mis-informed voter, I'll take the less informed any day of the week. They will make an effort to become better informed while the latter spin furiously for the tiniest scrap to re-reinforce their own arrogance and ignorance.

C'mon, seriously? How is this interfering with someone's right to vote. When I first came to Florida 10 years ago, a self-proclaimed Democrat at the DMV wouldn't accept my voter registration (I was registering Republican)without a birth certificate. I had long hair at the time and was unshaven; guess she figured I couldn't come up with it. A week later, I had my certificate and was registered; I already needed it to get a job anyway. Y'all have plenty of time to get your @!$%#e together and register; this law wasn't passed with less than a month before the election, folks. The newspapers here are reporting about all the people being challenged on their citizenship, but if you read closely you will find that most of them already have the certificate and the problem is solved with no muss or fuss and quickly (surprising for a gov't agency). What they don't report on is all of the snowbirds who have addresses here and up north who are registered in both states and have been caught voting twice(democrats all!). They are being removed; they are damned lucky they aren't being charged.

It's alot like the anti-gerrymandering law we passed here recently. The districts were redrawn fairly according to census information in accordance with the law. The dems flipped out and took it to court, claiming they were underrepresented. The court ruled that the districts were in line with census info and the suit was tossed out, with us taxpayers footing the bill for their temper tantrum. Absolutely ridiculous!

BTW, ld47, Gov. Scott was NOT convicted of medicare fraud; his case was dismissed. There were individual hospital administrators who were charged and found guilty; GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

Face it, Florida is a conservative state and all the fraud in the world isn't going to change that for ya. But we'll still make sure our votes count, whether you like it or not.

The Constitution is the law of the land, to allow illegal aliens to vote is a violation of the Constitution of the United States!

The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads in part:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside."

“But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States,….”

The issue of voting rights in the United States has been contentious throughout the country's history. Eligibility to vote in the U.S. is determined by both Federal and state law. Currently, only citizens can vote in US elections (although this has not always been the case). Who is (or who can become) a citizen is governed on a national basis by federal law. In the absence of a federal law or constitutional amendment, each state is given considerable discretion to establish qualifications for suffrage and candidacy within its own jurisdiction.

i doubt it.

with those numbers and Obama's record I don't Mitt is scared at all

"You can say what's the big deal about having ID, but what if you live in a rural town, don't have access to a DMV or whatever, have been voting for years, and all of a sudden you have to prove you are a citizen? And have to pay for ID?"

C`mon, is that your argument hummbird? Really?

It`s 2012, not 1912 afterall, do you think people have a hard time providing or acquiring documentation if they need to?

Is it soo hard to travel nowadays?

That`s the best you`ve got? LMAO!!

If you want a beer at a Red Sox game at Fenway Park you need to produce a picture ID - no matter how old you are (my dad 70+ nearly s*it a brick). Just about everybody has an ID, states provide them for free as they are needed for general living (cashing a check, using food stamps, etc.). What is the big deal.

the big deal is that, for example, in texas, a gun permit is valid id, but a student id is not. the big deal is that, some laws that have been passed now require id's to be show at polling stations even if the person has a voter registration card and poll workers have a list of names of people registered to vote. the big deal is that these laws disproportionately affect certain groups of voters.

the big deal is, these laws are designed to keep election turnouts low, not to ensure legitimacy. because republicans know that they lose elections with high turnout.

Republicans don't seem to be very concerned about the felonious head of a felonious hospital being able to vote AND be GOVERNOR.

This is another DOJ attempt to avoid the real issue facing the voters in November, the economy, stupid, the economy. Now where have I that before? If the Florida elections removed illegal voter (mainly hispanic) wouldn't affect the republican party as much as the democrat party? A lot of South Florida Hispanics vote republican, legal or illegal. I guess this what we get when our President could not pass a top secret security clearance test because of his background.

I am a little confused. What does having a Drivers license have to do with being regtistered to vote?

I thought you went to a representive of the State Government and registered to vote in that State. During that process you proved that you were a United States Citizen. That doesn't have anything to do with getting a drivers license.

If a State wants to allow a person who has a drivers license to vote then that is a state decision.

The real question is how did the Non-citizen become a registered voter?

Why doesn't the Federal Government issue an order to the State of Florida telling them they are in violation of the various laws and to undo what the State has already acomplished?

The argument of "to prevent illegal to vote" is a scare tactic as well. How often do you see illegal try to vote and risk being deport? Illegal try to stay under the radar as much as possible.

when were are talking about preventing illegals were are not just talking about hispanics, you racist, there is also tomb stone voting and adding in votes for voters who have moved out of state, there are many ways to cheat the system. Democrats hate these kinds of law because now they have to win the election with REAL VOTERS! and they cant do that! Poor democrats :(

@jackofspade

So from 2000 to 2008, Democrat must have cheat themselves to let's Bush win the election, right?

For the rural resident I suggest your state take a lesson from Texas. They have portable drivers license offices that get setup in small town police stations every week. Morning written exams afternoon road tests. They also do the state ID cards and gun permits. Fully setup to take the picture, encode all the information, and thumbprints and print a photocopy for you to use until your license comes in the mail.Ngyun if you are an illegal Mexican alien in a town that is 90% native born citizens of Mexican ancestry you don't have to hide. You just walk down the street in broad daylight and do almost anything you please.

Very dangerous law and a poorly written one for several reason.

1. Election fraud is far more susceptible to ballot stuffing or changing the method for which a questionable vote is counted.

2. Before such laws are passed I want to see an unbiased measure of the amount of people this will negatively effect that are eligible to vote vs. the amount of individuals that would be removed from voting illegally.

3. If such laws are determined to be absolutely necessary from the measure in section 2, they should have been passed a very long time ago with several years of time for state officials to adjust. If you believe that a state can adjust such things quickly then you really have no idea how long it takes various laws to be put into place without unintentionally harming a large section of the population.

Here are some methods of voter fraud that happen far more often when compared to illegal voting and have serious consequences in elections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_fraud

Finally, as with any law, and everyone seems to be quite happy with passing many terrible ones...., the measure of the law should be based upon the damage done from unintended consequences instead of the law's intent.

Thousands of dead voted in Sheila Jackson Lee's district in Houston.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Vote_fraud_in_Texas#Dead_voting_in_Houston

More redundant unnecessary costs to the public and an additional verification. More tax money needed. Doesn't sound conservative to me. Voter registration needs tweaking it is simple stupid.

I have been involved with voter registration databases along with election databases.

Stop being anti democrat and try being a freaking republican.

Why is this country broke? Because it isn't! Your broke. Remove the crooks from the parties.

If you ask me party affiliation has no business being on a ballot. Are you voting for a representative or a party?

USA!!!

Also counties should be directly responsible for programming of said machines. Did you know most are programmed in a central location more than likely using the same server? Let your imagination do what's probable and possible.

Everything is unhackable until someone hacks it. No I do not think paper anything is an answer to the problems that be. Get over it.

For Linda. Something you should also consider in the citation you gave is footnote #19.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/30/eveningnews/main4490682.shtml?source=search_story

This is the danger of purging votes. You may get some voters which are illegal voters, but you also run a huge risk of purging legitimate voters from the rolls. This is the major problem with trying to implement this system on such a fast timescale. Again, what is needed is covered in section 2 of my previous post. We need at least an estimate of how much of the illegal voter problem is solved vs. how much damage it does to legitimate voters based upon passage of this measure.

Secondly, most of the problems that are cited in your article are not going to be fixed by requiring a statewide voter registration system or requiring a specific type of ID at the time of voting. Ballot stuffing, intimidation, overcounting etc. are very susceptible to those in control of the voting procedure and done after the vote itself is cast. That's where most of these problems of voter fraud arise. Same thing with dead voters, they can be put on the rolls by those in control of counting ballots.

The biggest problem with state set rules is that a state can set various rules that cause disenfranchisement of a particular group of people. An example would be allowing a state to pass a law that favors one form of ID as opposed to another when both forms should be considered acceptable. This is why this process should be done at a national level and no where near an election time. This will keep it more free from partisan bickering as well as keep it more free from politics.

yep.

it's why we use the term undocumented democrats.

You base this opinion on what facts? Can I get a link to this data?

Acorn voter fraud convictions...

Google it... there are tons of them.... Minnesota, Ca., etc

Why would all those illegals run out and vote for someone who is deporting illegals at a higher rate than ever before? Do you guys think at all?

Googled it, PolitiFact Florida states from 2008 - 2011 there were 49 documented cases of voter fraud as compared to 72 shark attacks. So it's obviously more dangerous to go to the beach than to worry about voter fraud in Florida. The Florida Department of State Divisions of Elections states the November 2008 general election had a total of 75.2% of registered voters casting a ballet for a total vote count of 8,456,329. The documented cases of voter fraud for 2008 was 16. I believe that works out to be 0.0002% (1.892073972050993e-4) total fraud. Looks like a huge problem to me. Now how did the Shrub win again? Something in Florida smells even fishier than the sharks...

kurt

FL has Rep Gov, Rep Senate and Rep House, yet the Pres vote so close??? clearly voter fraud in the Presidential election in FL for the Dems

Your comments only show how ignorant you are. The state of florida has almost a half a million more democrats then republicans. 41% democrats, 36% republicans. The reason those elections were close. It's because they threw out thousands of ballots. It didn't help that in one county. They took home the mail in ballots from republicans that had been filled out incorrectly. Corrected them and then brought them back in and counted them.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/NVRA/affiliation.asp

LOL, illegal try to vote? You know that illegal try to stay under the radar as much as possible so they don't get deport. They would careless about political parties in US.

Another scare tactics, try again next time and bring up some fact instead of making up on the spot.

Im illeagal, I live in Fl and I will vote for Romney, and nobody, not GI Joe not the US govt, not anyone will stop me.

Kurt ...your statements are pure fiction....have to lie about that election huh?....Ignorant or a liar, I will let you tell us which one you are.

FED UP....you are a liar...I live in MN...no such ACORN problem in MN.........

And remember kids, I believe calling a LIAR out is not a Newsvine code violation when it is true! But that could open some very ugly comment trends...

Have a nice night, Everyone!!

BS

“We always run this risk of: Which side do we err on? Do we err on the side of leaving a non-citizen or somebody who is ineligible on the voter rolls? Or do we run the risk of removing somebody who otherwise is eligible to vote? And sometimes when you’re trying to do one, you end up doing the other.”

And just like our criminal justice system, it is better to allow a law breaker go than to convict an innocent citizen.

All appearances of this nontroversy are that we have another gop/tea effort at fear politics... and Saddam has wmd's and they are pointed right at us!!!!!!

Sorry RNC-TEA.... don't think we will believe you this time.

Please cease your fear politics (That means this, the birther thing, using the words "socialist" 'Communist, or "Marxist" in descriptives of the Democrats or the President; or spouting lies and inaccuracies about the Presiden's policies e.g. healtcare, fire arms, etc.)

That tactic is sooo old, trite, and over-used and we voters are sick to death of it. Please try truth for a refreshing change!

Not As Stupid -

Tell ya what - right at about the same time as the blaming Bush thing gets old for you libs, I promise that us conservatives will stop using those terms.

However, I would accept it if you just for once think about this - an opinion that differs from yours is not necessarily straight from Fox News, is not by definition a lie, and for sure is not always inaccurate.

As far as fear politics are concerned, perhaps you and your lib friends could stop with the inaccuracies as well - for instance "republicon", "rethuglican", "fascist", "war on women", "1% vs 99%" would be nice to avoid, as they are all equally lies as the terms you mention.

Perhaps the left could also stop maintaining the fiction that the rich are only out to destroy/enslave/impoverish the poor, or that this is actually a republican goal?

Understand notalking but try this on for some truth:

Dubya Bush needed a SCOTUS decision to get into the White House. Fact.

He came to D.C. with a balanced federal budget/surplus from the Clinton Administration. Fact.

He cut taxes, primarily and mostly for the wealthy. Fact.

He initiated the high deficit spending that the GOP/TEA complain about today. Fact.

He lied about WMD's in Iraq as an excuse to go after the family enemy who dissed his daddy. Fact.

America was led to the worse economic condition since the Great Depression during his tenure. Fact.

Now, I believe that the rich ARE only out to put another dollar into their own pocket at any cost. Opinion based upon empirical evidence, information, and knowledge.

How is that?

JasonInNYC...the Constitution lays out which form of government is responsible for specific aspects of governing; the Federal government and State government. State governments are responsible for voting (they elect members of the Senate and House of Representatives, etc., they therefore set the rules for voter registration. The only time the Federal government has a say if a larger purpose of voter registration violates individual rights (protected groups such as minorities, etc.). Otherwise voting is a state responsibility. It's the driving force behind the description "The United States of America".

Our government is out of control and we are the ones that let this happen. It is time to take our country back!

we need a national voter registration. Can't do that. Too many felonious Republicans wouldn't be able to run for office and they wouldn't be able to stay in the House and Senate.

Wouldn't social security number accomplish the same thing? That is what the IRS uses.

Dasvet everybody legal to work in the US including many residents of Mexican border towns have a SS number. Along with almost every child from birth or at least by the April 15th after they are born.

NOT A PROBLEM????? CHECK OUT THESE FACTS:

Colorado Sec. of State: 12,000 Non-Citizens Registered to Vote; 5,000 Voted in 2010

By Doug Powers • March 31, 2011 04:36 PM

**Written by Doug Powers

This is a huge problem not only in Colorado and Florida but our whole country!

I don't understand why people are so upset about being required to produce a photo ID at the polls. Local governments are willing to provide them for free. FREE. Geez. I have to pay for my driver's license. If you're required to produce a photo ID when you buy alcohol -- even a single glass of wine -- then why is it so horrible to require a photo ID at the polls? I don't mind. I have nothing to hide. It makes me wonder what the complainers DO have to hide. I'm pretty sure they cough up a photo ID when they buy alcohol.

So what , I think everyone who lives in this country and has a SS# should be able to vote......if you have a SS# you are paying into the system and deserve a say.

TRUMP for VP! I think he would fit right in with the rest of the inmates of the Republican asylum.

Mitt will pick Rubio...then he will flip and pick Ryan, then flip again and pick Rubio, then flip again and pick his nose....

My God starsailing ... Spend some time in the real world or ... get a job...or a girlfriend ... or a reefer .. anything that might shut you up for a while ...please!? I don't usually do this but you are the exception ...I would never try to have a serious debate with such a dweeb. I feel bad just attacking someone on a personel level but in your case, based on your comments and how much posting you do here, I don't even think you are a real person! Please get some sleep.

it should be obvious... Obama's the president.

what other proof do you need.

lol

Hummbird, I have asked for the same thing for a year now and still there is no evidence of voter fraud. This is all about the very ugly power trip of corporate interests in this country.

there isn't any"evidence" out there because there is no checks and balance system in place such as showing an ID to give a picture if there is any voter fraud...

just pay the average 25 bucks it takes to get an ID and be done with it..what is so wrong ensuring only citizens are voting..

Corporations do not have birth certificates .....can't be American citizens...deport them all!

Ouch, nice trolling.

Hummingbird...what an idiot you are. I've never seen a corporation vote, have you?

VH Navy~~well if they are not checking ID's then there is no risk for deportation then...if they are checking ID's you know illegals will stay home

again please explain to me what is wrong with ensuring only citizens are the ones voting

VH#9.5~~You are just making excuses as to why no illegals will be caught when checking IDs. They will stay home, Really??? This is crazy! It is much less offensive for five illegals to cast a vote than for one legal citizen be denied their right to vote. Those five illegals can be much more easily prosecuted than the criminals (elected officials who are obligated to protect and defend the contitution) who deny even one legal citizen their right to vote. Elected officials are not above the law, and that includes republicans.

you know public transportation has a stop at most DMV's, after all how do some of the people with suspended licenses get there..

enough of the excuses..we can put a man on the moon but cant get grandma to to the DMV???

Ouch- Thanks for not answering my question, and putting out the old talking points, that we Dems are all on the dole!

Yeah illegals are lining up to vote, and hoping to get caught and deported! That's happening just every where! Of course there is no proof but I heard it on faux noise, and they are soooooo reliable! LOL

well if they are not checking ID's then there is no risk for deportation then...if they are checking ID's you know illegals will stay home

again please explain to me what is wrong with ensuring only citizens are the ones voting

This isn't about voter fraud at all but simply removing as many people that generally vote democrate as the GOP possibly can. We ALL agree that only US citizens should be allowed to vote. We do however disagree when the rules get changed just months before a presidential election especially when those rules impact the elderly & poor the most. It took me two googles to come up with a number that seems to be relatively accurate across most states. It seems that we can expect approximately 0.0002% voter fraud as seen in Florida 2008 general election and Wisconsin as well. PolitiFact states from 2008 - 2011 there were 72 shark attacks compare to 49 documented cases of voter fraud. Sounds like those "balance the budget" GOP boys are wasting your tax dollars with "small government" again. Now how did the Shrub win in Florida again?

daryl--listen to yourself,that like saying until a bomb explodes just let it sit there!

Grounded

It is NOT AT ALL THE SAME.

Apples and bombs comparison.

In South Carolina,the governor offered FREE rides to DMV for a FREE county picture ID, for voting purposes,and anything else you would need an ID for...All over the states news programs,and papers.....great idea,targeted to HELP the poor/non-driving/health challenged people get thier ID.....regardless of race, (as sharpton would have you believe)......This program got a HUGE response......30 people took advantage of it...........so stop with the;" targeting the 'poor/,old/,...sickly/..uneducated/."...bull$hit..........U.S. Army Disabled Veteran

justwondering, Tennessee did the same. If illegal voting is so insignificant, then why are the libs so upset about any attempt to verify citizenship? If the problems is so small, why does it matter,libs?

If your grandma is over 70 go back to the x-box in my state she won't need an ID. And if the democrats are so worried about it . Get those people who drive them to the polls on election day to take them to the DMV. I know a municiple judge democrat who found out citizens were going to need IDs for something non voting related He made an appointment with the DPS office got all the old people at the senior center loaded into the city van with the city driver and hauled them down so they could get their IDs. My mom was one of them.

OUCH....don't believe in giving away...? How about those no bid contracts Cheney gave to Haliburton? How about the skids of hundreds of millions of dollars that were delivered to Iraq and disappeared under Bush/Cheney? Republicon Sen Norm Coleman was in charge of committee to investigate while in office and NEVER even held a hearing. He was not re elected because of it.

@hummbird: A tip for grandma---Absentee Ballot. I'm disabled and a senior and that is how I vote in every election now; And I know plenty of other Seniors who use absentee ballots for voting.

So far tonight..rt wingers have not proven one case of illegals voting...and OUCH...says these imaginary non existing non citizens..don't vote republicons.........and his source for that statement is....his imagination ! P.S. Ann Coultier was caught voting illegally but then not prosecuted....Oh the humanity! About Romney living in Calif and voting in Mass. using his sons basement as his home.....Danger Will Robinson!

Big Curt, many states now have tighter restrictions on absentee ballot voting. It will not allow time to get ballot in when people find out they now need voter id even though voting for 50 plus yrs or more. Also repubs have changed same day registration on vote day. Mn has new laws on ballot for voter id that will stop soldiers from being able to vote while overseas.

Republicans, famous for using every underhanded trick in the book to win elections, are worried about voter fraud because they assume everyone thinks like them. It's called projection.

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hey, starsailing.

Starsailing/Culheath -

Such an inconvenience, to have some form of ID - I totally agree.

How dare those well known supporters of voter fraud, the republican party, support an effort to make voter fraud less likely?

I literally cry tears of blood for those who do not have an ID...they are after all so incredibly difficult to come by! That must be why in my adult life I have literally never encountered somebody without a valid ID of some type.

Voter suppression and (LOL) "projection" my eye.

notalkingpoints

Starsailing/Culheath -

Such an inconvenience, to have some form of ID - I totally agree.

The situation is not that some people, especially the elderly have no ID, it's that theses new laws are changing the type of ID required, some of which is relatively expensive or difficult to find the documentation for. Why are not people people who have been registered voters for years grandfathered in so that they don't have to jump through hoops just to exercise their right to vote?

The question becomes who are these laws serving, especially since there is no evidence whatsoever of any significant voter fraud in the first place.

I literally cry tears of blood for those who do not have an ID...they are after all so incredibly difficult to come by!

All that snarky statement indicates is your ignorance of the difficult circumstances of other people that can make acquiring the appropriate documentation very difficult indeed.

That must be why in my adult life I have literally never encountered somebody without a valid ID of some type.

Perhaps you are very young and have only known photo ID all of your life...who knows, but we still arrive at the point that some types of original ID that were acceptable to vote before are no longer accepted.

How would you feel if there was suddenly a national push to for everyone in the country to have to prove their citizenship by way of original birth certificate? What if those original certificates were lost in floods or fires or other situations that made retrieval of such information impossible? What if you were born in a tiny town in 1942 Alaska before it was even a state? There are hundreds of such real word hardship situations your facile thinking wants to ignore in pursuit of a policy that has no demonstrable legitimate purpose.

I know, pretty amazing right??

Nothing from this administration surprises me.... Holder the murderer.. now Holder the illegal vote-getter

So, where did you read the news of massive illegal got caught in front of voting booth?

I must say, the intelligent of you or anyone to believe this scare tactic. Like illegal would just care about all this and risk getting deport, lol.

Nguyen with 11.2 million illegal Mexican aliens and an administration that says we don't have the money to deport the ones already adjudicated for deportation. I doubt if they fear getting deported if they can get past the first state along the border. And believe me after seeing the new detention facility built in central Texas I wouldn't mind spending a year or two there. They have perks I can't even dream of.

With less than 50% of eligible voters turning out in some elections, what makes you think millions of ineligible non-citzens would bother to go to the poll? As the article explained, the down-side to purging voter rolls and strict voter ID requirements is that some eligible voters will be prevented from voting.

Like those TV ads for medications, where the side-effects are worse than the condition they hope to cure, this campaign to stop fraudulent voting is all about the side-effect of preventing certain groups of citizens from voting.

Sir - we are talking about stopping non citizens from voting, not regular law abiding citizens..please explain to me how preventing illegals from electing a president is wrong..i am pretty sure I cant go into any other country in the world and cast a vote for their leader

Americans don't have a constitutional right to vote in the United States. (Canadians and Mexicans are Americans). U. S. citizens and only U. S. citizens have a right to vote in the U. S. and that is what Florida and other states want to ensure. The only evidence of stolen elections is on the Democratic side, with much of it coming from the state in which Hussein used to reside, Illinois. Your proposal to have Hussein "commandeer" for the election seems like it is right in the Democrat playbook. If you can't win by following the law, undermine it.

VHNAVY- some how the libs aren't grasping this. Some how they are taking away the rights of woman voters, poor people, minority etc. They could spin a washing machine into failure!!

Yeah, have fun with that Mike...

Sheesh!

You can't do that, then Obama and holder would be first to be convicted...lol they are a bunch of crooked politicians

Good he can start with Indiana oh but wait SCOTUS said that ID law was constitutional. Before all of you jump on Southern states check yours. Because there are a bunch of northern states with voter ID laws.

VHNAVY and repubs...are talking about non existing non citizens illegally voting......They have a lot of imaginary things in their minds.....

plsthink has a problem with the reality that Florida has already purged thousands of voters. Try the 91 yr old WWii vet....tell him it didn't happen. I suppose FAUX news didn't dare cover that story.

@starsailing: Agree. Republicans seem to have gargantuan imaginations tramping around on their pea brains. Also they lie a lot.

Star & Mac:

I guarantee I'm smarter than both of you combined. I do not have a pea brain, nor do I watch Fox news. If you guys can't get the simple concept of voter eligibility verification through your simpleton minds, you're hopeless. Oh, p.s., I never lie and I'm willing to bet that the 91 yr old WW2 vet wouldn't have the slightest problem proving he's an eligible voter. Why? Because he defended this country that he loves and I'm sure he hates seeing it going to hell in a hand basket.

When you register it is verified! How can you guarantee that you are smarter than anyone?

@Grandpa: 75KCapitalist is a dumb ass. That's how He/She makes those guarantees.

VH...with republicon "corporations are people," other countries now can contribute to the candidate they want to put in our country...way to go republicons...now China can spend billions to elect Romney to help keep the jobs in China instead of having President Obama bring the jobs back. Repubs block every attempt to bring jobs back.

75K............the 91 yr old vet is pissed he was purged and had to prove with numerous steps and money that he was ILEGALLY removed from voter rolls......TOO hard to grasp the concept of being illeagally removed for you? It was all over the news this last week......turn off the little mermaiid cartoons and watch some real news. The whole world knows about illegal voter purge in Florida. Wrapping yourself in an imaginary flag does not make your case true.

Ah, there it is... the Liberal Histrionics! though you have your numbers backwards.... a few citizens may have to prove they're citizens... so that hundreds of thousands of illegals and dead people don't get to vote

Okie Joe - Your numbers are reversed. But why would that matter to you...

You forgot Presidental Eligibility Fraud

Daryl - maybe you should get glasses.

"The state said its initial check found 180,000 potential non-citizens who may be registered voters."

Fed-Up, time put up some facts. Please justify "hundreds of thousands of illegals and dead people get to vote" . If you can't give a legimate reference maybe you should remain silent...

Dead don't vote....prove your source that they do.

In ohio they do.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/sep/2/dead-in-ohio-but-still-voting/

Colorado, the key words in that statement are "potential" and "may be." In other words, it's all conjecture, not fact.

Huntington....you lied....Ohio has people who are dead still on the voter rolls like every state. There is NO proof that anyone used their names. your article states "“Nearly 5,800 Ohioans who’ve died are still registered to vote, and ballots may have been cast in the names of at least 16 Ohioans after their deaths,” according to press reports."...................MAY HAVE BEEN are the words....SO no proof that it happened. People died after they voted and NO ONE IS CHECKING FOR THEIR DEATH CERT!

ell rich in seven states the government can do that as in the March 3rd Texas primary which then became the April 17th Texas primary and finally the May 29th Texas primary. I would park an ambulance at every polling place because those old people you worry about so much instead of voting in 70 degree weather will now have to vote in the runoff in 100 degree weather. I see them dropping like flies or not voting. And the congressional districts are temporary for this election because the latinos are happy with the 25 mile wide 200 mile long districts they wrangled but the Black group and the Texas legislature really aren't.

Another trick republicons are doing...removing voter booths from the poor and dems voting areas, creating far distance to drive to and long lines. Making it more difficult to miss work to vote.

Florida alone found 180,000.

Colorado, 2008 - 2011 49 documented cases for voter fraud. Your got to do better than that... Please do provide something more substantial than what Governor Scott states as fact...

Troll. Aren't you passionate? Wrong...but passionate...lol.

You forgot the one little detail..... citizens vote!! Where does the constitution bypass this requirement... ?

Sorry,, I hate the PINK party of Anti America

daryl,.......In case you did not know, proof of eligibility to vote has nothing whatsoever to do with criminal proceedings...........When one applys for a drivers license or enters a bar, the burden is on them to prove they are eligible, and of age

I am not religious, but I pray to god you are never called for jury duty.

Voting is a right....going to get drunk in a bar is poor judgement....

If you don't live in FL, as I do for now, you don't hear the whole story. The lists that are being used to disqualify voters is very flawed consists of minoriites, elderly (including Veterans) and democrats. Since we have a good many elderly who no longer drive so do not have driver lic. they are being disenfranchised. The FL GOP is trying to steal another election and their leader, the Gov. of FL Scott has experience in stealing in that he stole 3 billion dollars from Medicare as CEO of HCA and then took the 5th when the feds caught him. Since being elected Gov he has stacked the board of the State run insurance company so rates have risen by 30%, hired some of his felon buddies, set his wife up in a medical lab business then submitted and signed legislation to have anyone receiving any type of state or federal benefit to take drug tests. He is such a crook. I would like to see him become a roommate of the former Il Gov.

It is much preferable to have a "Chuck" showing his ignorance and inate hate, without hiding behind other obfuscations, than to hear a GIJoe type of blathering, so full of shallow and illogical conclusions.

Thanks for the easy read, "Chuck".

notsojingo Arizona giving the dems a hard time on Obamas birth certificate is payback for Goldwater. The Dems made Arizona jump through hoops to prove he was a citizen. First they accused him of being born in Mexico because of the Gadsen purchase. Then when some smart aleck American History professor told them that was before he was born then they tried to disqualify him because Arizona was still a territory. The dang thing went to federal court. And four years later they did the same to Mitt's father. By law at the time since both of Georges parents were American citizens he could have been born on the moon and still be eligble. American politics is dirty and it didn't start in 2000.

American politics is dirty and it didn't start in 2000.

As I have been voting since 1980, I agree fully. I used to read the Newspaper from front to back when I was a kid, and saw many things which did not sit right with me regarding politics, world news, and priorities.

It has gotten even worse. I wish I was still just a happy go lucky teen back in the '70s!!

Good Good Chuck you are a birther as well as reading from the most right wing extremist sites. We sure need more informed and intelligent voters. Not the sheeple of the right wing fear monger lying Fox site.

Endless tolerance breeds stupidity and then we have to go to the extremes to regain accuracy!!! Gee I thought tolerance was good.... It's chaos by design

Becca,..."that you have heard of ?"...Nice presentation of the facts....

Zimmerman is guilty, right ?

I have never heard of a case where a legitimate citizen was refused the right to vote. Without voter ID checks what is to stop illegals being bussed from polling station to polling station voting over and over and over. Hi I am enrique and I am here to vote...

We are talking about something serious here... The future of OUR country and if foreigners are allowed in to vote what would be to stop Iranians, North Koreans or even Mexicans for that matter setting the future of our country in a direction that would be deleterious to the best interests of its citizens?

This issue is as common sense as drivers licenses to drive and if as the dems claim this is not about Dem votes and is split equally then there should be no net change in outcome anyway even if one or two fall between the cracks which I find highly unlikely to begin with!

GHX,

Try voting twice at your polling station, if you are legal or not, and THEN come forward with your unsubstantiated, fear mongering BS.

Wow. Such an imagination, free of any regard for the Truth or Facts or Logic. What a tough life it is for those without cognitive thinking ability...

notsojingo if you are illegal and have NO ID (not a requirement to vote) what would be to stop you from traveling from voting station to voting station to cast your vote? or applying for voter registration under dozens of names?

What exactly since there is really NO way to document you at all?

This has already happened and continues to happen. If it did not there would be no fuss from Obamas people right?

You have never voted, it appears.

When you receive your Voters Registration Info and subsequently Voter ID, you are assigned a Voting Station in your particular district. Once you vote, you cannot repeat the process.

If anyone tries to do multiple names, addresses and info in order to cheat the system, they will be caught and it is a First Degree Felony.

Problem solved. If you and yours actually think that a large enough contingent of Terrorists(or whomever) is engaging in these activities, prove it. It ain't happening in any sort of game changing or high numbers occurences.

Your fears are unfounded, GHX. Sorry if I appear to be a little gruff, because I even have fights with Dems and some folks I know that claim Obama is an angel and has done everything on the up and up. He is just the Better Puppet over the Romney Muppet. And nowhere so offensive in his ratio of gaffe over substance statements. Both are pretty good at flipping positions as told to by "advisors"(read the REAL powers that be)

I am sick of these lessor of two evils choices we always end up with, but the System is rigged beyond our control it appears in that regard.

I oftimes call President Obama Bushbama, for he has continued on with more W Policies than most seem to admit form either side. And Obama has certainly handled his job much better than W mangled his time.

Peace

If foreigners are allowed to vote my vote is diluted and cheapened. You liberals are not the only citizens who are qualified to take this to SCOTUS. I have had my right to vote f==ked with enough this year already. One more instance of racial or liberal preference and I will be the one in federal court.

Your humor is priceless, lonereb, however it is just as sadly mistaken as most of the contentions and denials of an extremist.

Get a reality check with some meds to relieve that unsubstantiated concern you appear to have ruining your life.

Dream more, stop eating up Faux News.

I also think in any race based case all the races in the state should be represented. Texas does not have a racial majority all the races in Texas should be represented in any case.

No non-citizen would take the chance to register to vote. You Republicans are a joke. The crap you believe.

Grounded, if you want to insult people's intellect, then I suggest a check of your punctuation and grammar before you post. When you misuse apostrophes, omit capitals and periods, and use poor sentence structure your post comes across as funny instead of the "gotcha" I think you were trying to achieve.

I don't usually comment on things like that, but in a post about the supposed lack of intelligence on the part of the people you are attempting to insult it just doesn't work.

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens. While that may not seem like many, just 3 percent of registered voters would have been more than enough to provide the winning presiden­tial vote margin in Florida in 2000. Indeed, the Cen­sus Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.

If it holds true there is insignificant voter fraud... why would the DOJ even be interested?

grounded123, from 2008 - 2011 a total of 49 documented cases of voter fraud occurred. If Florida is the worse state then I just don't see this as anything more than another GOP ploy. Now how did the Shrub win in Florida again?

ChuckM, their not interested in voter fraud but are interested in Florida denying citizens the right to vote. Please pay attention...

If it is so insignificant, why are libs up in arms about proof of citizenship? One could surmise, it IS significant, and the libs know it.

300 million votes I hope this was a lot more than one national election since there are 310 million people in America including the illegal aliens. And a whole lot of those are too young to vote. You do realize the census counts people in the country not citizens.

Das, the uproar is because people were cut from rolls before their status was confirmed.

My question remains unanswered. How else would one start an upgrade of voter rolls, other than checking out those that had appearances of not be a legal citizen?

Dasvet your moniker sounds ROOSKIE to me ...therefore you are an illegal communist infilitrator into our country...you are off the voting roles from this day forward until you prove you are a U.S. citizen.........There Dasvet...that is your own solution to your non existing problem......Go back to your country you came from......!

If you have never lived in FL, u have no idea how many illegals there are running around unchecked. Of COURSE they will try to vote...they are criminals to begin with so why are they worried about breaking another law?

We've given them free food, education, health care, dealt with their crime, and now we are worried that they will vote?,,,,,,,,LOL !!

Wrong country, starcrashing. :-) I proved my citizenship many years ago by serving this country. Next question?

Jon,...I am an independent who now leans democrat, however, your bucket has huge holes in it.

"WHY would someone who is not a US citizen take a chance on committing a felony ?".....Well, non-citizens have been known to steal identies, falsify, forge and present illegal ID and documentation, plus enter America illegally, sometimes repeatedly, not to mention driving without a license or insurance.

Jon,

If no one is checking ID's at the poling place why would anyone be worried about breaking any laws?

Your statements are ludacris. The GOP only wants legal voters to participate, what is wrong with that?

It makes me wonder what is it the Democrats are afraid of? ID's are required to cash a check, buy alcohol, use a credit card, why would we not check ID's for the most important thing a citizen can do?

Everyone should be required to show an ID to vote. No question in my mind illegals vote and Democrats will never support an ID requirement. Democrats rely heavily on the hispanic vote and can convince the illegals to vote democrat easily. Hidden agenda for democrats??Certainly all will vote for Obama since he had indicated he will give all them amnesty. If I was illegal I would vote for him too.

Currently I am traveling in Thailand and witnessed an election for mayor. In order for a person to vote they had to show their Thai ID. Address was verifed as well.

Why would someone that wants to live in this country do so by violating our laws, forging documents, lying, and stealing?

I have an hispanic neighbor. He keeps getting calls from Georgia a state he has never been in during his entire life. First it was for a sales pitch for a T-moble account upgrade. He has cricket not T-mobile. But they said there were two unused lines on the plan so he said send me the phones. The person who stole his identity got a shock when he got his next bill. Then the state of Georgia called him to ask permission to take money from his paycheck on that job in Georgia the state he has never been in for unpaid child support. He told them to go ahead and take it. I bet that was a shock to that person too. Especially when his employer said he authorized it. 5 will get you ten the person using that hispanic name from that SS card isn't a WASP.

So the the illegals are Dems? How about only legal citizens get to vote,whether Dem (read dumb) or Republican?

Sorry, you're not going to steal this election with illegal votes.

GOP outcries over the phantom menace of voter fraud escalated after 2008, when Obama's candidacy attracted historic numbers of first-time voters.

rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830#ixzz1r5HSfVEp

A major probe by the Justice Department between 2002 and 2007 failed to prosecute a single person for going to the polls and impersonating an eligible voter, which the anti-fraud laws are supposedly designed to stop.

Out of the 300 million votes cast in that period, federal prosecutors convicted only EIGHTY SIX PEOPLE for voter fraud – and many of the cases involved immigrants and former felons who were simply unaware of their ineligibility.

You glaze over the questions of Obama's citizenship and the extremes they went through to close those records. And you also discredit the numbers of voter fraud... but if it was so insignificant why would the DOJ/ Obama be interested? Because we know the truth!! And your argument doesn't hold water!!

Chuckie baby...! A birther....ahahahahahahah....look everyone.....a birther........aaaahahahahahahaha

Chuckie....find a birth certificate for those corporations that are people too?...Your head must be exploding over that one.......A real...honest to god....birther among us........aaaahahahahahahaha.

You do know you are being put on to believe that nonsense and the whole world is laughing at birthers don't you Chuckie?