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Subscribe to RSSA day after his endorsement of same-sex marriage, President Obama was already expected to break a record at a fundraiser hosted by George Clooney. NBC's Kristen Welker reports.
President Barack Obama’s words of personal support Wednesday for same-sex marriages don't change the laws in 38 states that define marriage as a union between one man and one woman.
Obama aides told The Associated Press that he continues to believe that marriage is an issue best decided by the states. But the president's comments are also a reminder that at least some aspects of the marriage issue will almost certainly be decided by federal judges, not voters.
For example, there’s ongoing litigation in two federal appeals courts over the constitutionality of the 1996 law signed by President Bill Clinton, the Defense of Marriage Act.
Carolyn Kaster / AP
President Barack Obama is seen on a monitor in the White House briefing room in Washington, Wednesday, May 9, 2012. The president's comments are also a reminder that at least some aspects of the marriage issue will almost certainly be decided by federal judges, not voters.
The plaintiffs contend that the law violates the U.S. Constitution’s guarantee of equal protection by requiring the federal government to deny recognition of the legal marriages of same-sex couples in Massachusetts and other states.
The high court may also decide whether to hear a case from California on the constitutionality of Proposition 8, approved by voters in 2008, which amends the state constitution to define marriage in traditional terms.
Who will be the judges and justices who will decide these cases?
That will partly be decided by the voters in November – will it be Obama or Republican Republican Mitt Romney who will have the power to nominate judges over the next four years?
Ed Gillespie, Romney Campaign Senior Advisor, joins The Daily Rundown's Chuck Todd to discuss Mitt Romney's response to the President Obama's same-sex marriage stance, and responds to a Washington Post story in which Romney was accused of bullying while he was in high school.
Voters will also decide whether it will be a Democratic-controlled or a Republican-controlled Senate that will be voting on whether to confirm those judicial nominees.
With Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg at age 79, Justice Antonin Scalia 76, and Justice Anthony Kennedy 75, it’s entirely possible the next president could appoint two or three justices, as well as dozens of judges to the appeals courts.
To see how high the stakes are, look at the cases before the high court over next couple of years:
- The validity of a crucial section of the 1965 Voting Rights Act (the Shelby County, Ala. case now being considered by a three-judge panel in the court of appeals in Washington, D.C., Circuit);
- More appeals from prisoners being held by the United States at the Guantanamo base;
- And perhaps another immigration battle – especially if the high court splits 4-4 in the Arizona case in which it heard oral arguments last month.
Already on the docket for the Supreme Court term starting in October is a case concerning the use of race and ethnicity as factors in the admissions policy at the University of Texas.
By the time voters cast their ballots in November the court will have delivered its rulings in the challenges to Obama’s landmark health care overhaul and to the Arizona immigration law.
“You really have this amazing combination of not just legally important but politically charged, one might even say divisive, issues all before the court right before the election,” said Curt Levey, executive director of The Committee for Justice, a conservative group that tracks judicial nominations.
“As we get closer to the election and we have these decisions, I think there’s no way to avoid it being one of the top issues in the campaign.”
Some conservatives are chilly toward Romney because they doubt he’s genuinely committed to their principles. But when it comes to judicial nominees, Levey said, “I think it’s clear just from his public statements that he realizes that this is a key issue for conservatives. Even if you are a conservative cynic about Romney and don’t believe that he’s a real conservative, I think you can be reassured that – taking the cynical point of view – he certainly has to throw some bones to conservatives.”
Asked to name his favorite Supreme Court justice in a FOX News debate last December, Romney named four: Scalia, Chief Justice John Roberts, Justice Clarence Thomas, and Justice Samuel Alito – all Republican appointees.
Progressives, of course, also recognize the consequences for the courts of what voters decide in November.
Judith Schaeffer, vice president of the Constitutional Accountability Center, a progressive think tank said: "With the Supreme Court as starkly divided ideologically as it is today, the stakes this November are quite high. On so many issues of critical importance, the Constitution truly is at a crossroads before the Court under Chief Justice John Roberts. That said, every presidential election is important to the future of the federal judiciary, given the President's constitutional responsibility to nominate Supreme Court Justices and lower court judges.”
There’s a pent-up frustration among Democrats that Obama has not been able to get more of his judicial nominees confirmed by the Senate. According to the liberal group Alliance for Justice, there are now 15 vacancies on the federal courts of appeals and 78 district court vacancies.
“Until this month, the number of vacancies on the federal courts had stood at 80 or more for more than 1,000 days, a harmful vacancy crisis caused by unprecedented obstruction of the president’s nominees by conservatives in the Senate. Progressives, like most Americans, are tired of the gridlock in Washington, which has left the third branch of government one of its worst casualties,” Schaeffer said.
Obama has appointed 144 of the judges and justices now serving on the federal bench. In his first term, George W. Bush had 204 confirmed, according to the Federal Judicial Center.
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The President has already proved he doesn't care about State laws and the Constitution. He has fought against both from day one. He makes his own rules and gives himself dictatorship style executive power. For all of you that defend him on this, remember your support when a Republican gets in (gasp) and starts using the same power.
Here is a wonderful example: video of Jane Harman a congresswoman (D) that voted for the partiot act.... totally outraged that the bill SHE VOTED FOR was used against her... (they tapped her phone) what a stupid u know what! Serves her right!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp0iZ5Y7LkI
Guess she never read the bill she voted on or thought is would only be used on us "common folks".
The Supreme court for over 200 years has ruled , that the laws on a valid marriage is a State issue; some states allow a girl as young as 13 to be married, however if you move to another state you can be arrested for statutory rape; the court will probable follow precedent and allow each state to determine what is a valid marriage, however allow civil contract unions to be enforced !
96ws6.. that is total hogwash. Obama said it himself that same sex marriage should be a state issue.
Yeah, but Obama previously had a different position on gay marriage before "Changing his position" in an effort to pander to gay voters. Give him a few weeks Drewster, if the polls change unfavorably .... he may just change his position again ! LOL !! He's like a Chameleon.
96ws6,
You said, " He has fought against both from day one. He makes his own rules and gives himself dictatorship style executive power".
Please cite factual examples that support your claims.
The LGBT was withholding contributing to the Obama campaign. It was on the web monday that they were not going to contribute because he hadn't done enough for their cause. That is why he did it more than anything else. Biden botched the timing up. What circus!
DB - yes it is a circus but it is well orchestrated. The Dems and BoBo do nothing without a ring master. Biden was part of the act.
They recognize the "sheep" they have and continue to feed them and they "eat."
Its good that the hay runs out in November.
Obama has signed executive orders telling federal agencies not to enforce duly passed federal statutes. This is not only a violation of his oath of office, it is a violation of the separation of powers in the constitution!!! Obama does see himself as president, he thinks he is a king. He rules by fiat in the form of executive orders whenever he can not get the legislative branch to give him the laws he wants. As bad as Obama has been in his first term, I fear what will happen if he is given a second term where he does not have to worry about getting reelected. And who knows what will happen if he gets the opportunity to appoint more left wing liberals to the Supreme Court. This country is facing a major danger and that danger is an Obama reelection. Regardless of how you feel about Romney, anyone who is even moderately conservative and cares about what happens needs to be sure to vote. We can not afford to have the right wing stay home because Romney is not conservative enough for them and hand the election to Obama.
Of course when President Obama speaks out in defense of freedom and equality the forces of hate and bigotry lash out at him. His statement on marriage equality was too long in coming and he should be praised for standing up to protect personal freedom, not just for gays but for ALL of us. This whole issue has always been about personal freedom and equality. If allowed to continue who knows where this trend of religious intolerance and prohibition will end up? Perhaps, only white evangelicals will be allowed to hold high office or only those that worship in a certain way will be allowed to vote or how about citizenship will only be granted to those that swear loyalty to a certain political party [I think we all know what party that would be].
Whenever a small group of people promotes laws that single out another group for discrimination then that truly is the end of freedom. Unfortunately these people don’t view freedom in that light because it’s all about them and their own narrow view of the world. They hate gays, Muslims, Hispanics, Jews or anybody that doesn’t think or look like them. Their against woman’s rights, equality in women’s health care, fair taxation, and again anybody that doesn’t think or look like them……………. I have asked myself over and over again; with so much hate and bigotry in their hearts, how do these people sleep at night? Answer: If you don’t have a conscience it’s easy.
Decade after decade, newer generation strive to repair the sins of past: hunger, poverty, abuse, bigotry, racism, ignorance....
But in 2012, the GOP is going backwards....against women, against tolerance, against compassion, against fairness, against our Earth's natural resources, against our air, against our water, against our elderly, against contraception, against evolution.
Ruling against LOVE has angered today's younger generation.
My era brought about civil rights...inter-racial marriages, and fairer wages to women....(though w are still working on that)
This generation WILL change attitudes too.
give me some proof that you didn't make up and I may believe you.
I personally lean towards being homophobic. Gives me the heebee jeebees unless its women than I get something else :). Yet I think their argument is right. They are facing bias discrimination by a people who don't value marriage as much as they pretend to. Example- Newt Gingrich.
This is what I think. Marriage is a term that should be left to your church, whatever kind of church that maybe. Civil Unions for all in the eyes of the law.
Problem solved! Good Day!
I think our elected Rich people are dinosaurs, the youth of this country are nothing like you, get with the program, either it happens now or later. It will happen. Baby boomers are on their way out, you need the youth more than they need you. No I am not against Baby boomers and yes I do respect them but do they respect the youth?
Where are the JOBS Boehner and you Tea-publicans? That is what you were voted into office for JOBS JOBS JOBS and you have failed miserably and you will now be voted out of office come November, Teaparty experiment has failed
The day Obama lost the 2012 presidential election: Wednesday May 9, 2012.
By "coming out" yesterday he effectively threw away the swing states of North Carolina, Ohio, Florida, Indiana, possibly Virgina, and however many other states.
What a fool! LOL
Someone please show me the state that has voted in gay marriage!! Not by the legislators but by the voters....you can't ,,,hmmmmm
Bill,
Your right who needs a constitution? The majority has the right by numbers to suppress any minority?
so you think everyone should be able to own a gay? Yes it was meant as humor.
Wrong. Most people agree with him. You wouldn't know that because the only info you get is from FuxNews. Hope you didn't put any money down on that.
here's the proof that Obama Bin Lyin has backflipped 6 TIMES on this issue:
"I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages." -- Obama's answer in a questionnaire during his 1996 run for Illinois state Senate
"Undecided" -- his answer in another questionnaire on the same-sex marriage question during his re-election race for the same office in 1998
"I am a fierce supporter of domestic-partnership and civil-union laws. I am not a supporter of gay marriage as it has been thrown about primarily just as a strategic issue." -- Obama's response during an interview with the Windy City Times, a gay newspaper, in February 2004
"I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian ... it is also a sacred union." -- Obama's response in April 2008 during a presidential campaign forum
"I have been to this point unwilling to sign on to same-sex marriage primarily because of my understandings of the traditional definitions of marriage. But I also think you're right that attitudes evolve, including mine." -- Obama's statement during an interview with bloggers on Oct. 27, 2010
"It is important for me personally to go ahead and affirm that same-sex couples should be able to get married." -- Obama's statement in an interview May 9, 2012, with ABC News
As always, his position is based not on conviction but the political expediency of the moment. Barack Obama, no principles, no ethics no leadership.
This is a sensitive subject. My cousin has lived with his partner for 22 years. We maintain a don't-ask-don't-tell policy. Still, I dearly love my cousin. Okay, here is my issue with this: I don't give a good cahoot what people do regarding their sex lives. However, I have an issue with sex between two women or two men being legalized. JMO.
I'm just offering my opinion. I am no position, whatsoever, to judge what two consenting adults wish to do in their sex lives.
look up, religious homophobes blaming the president...how nice.
not to mention, where is romney on this? hes playing obama too, hiding on the issue under somthin comes up...
Name a single instance. Extra credit: Name a single instance on Day One.
Again, name a single instance.
We already had that with Bush. Remember Guantanamo and signing statements? I'm sure you raged against both.
Nonsense. Obama's war chest is Three Times the funding that li'l Mittens has. Go and make up your stories somewhere else. You think gays and lesbians are going to vote for some right-wing, mormon hack? Are you pretending to be stupid??
What does that have to do with the price of tea in China personally i don't give a rats ass about gay marriage the difference here is using political manipulation against 2 pawns- the church and the LGBT community-the left and the right to create a wedge partisan issue to garner votes.
They don't care what the church thinks the only thing they want is recognition from the Goverment to give them money via taxes, and divorce and parental rights.
Now considering from the mouth of the great big O he said it was a state right then why is the Government chiming in now of all times?
I thought you guys were freedom loving Constitution lovers...shouldn't you be happy that your Presdient (yes...YOUR President) is coming out for EQUALITY and defending peoples freedom to love and marry who they want. Or do you have stiulations on Freedom and Equality?
The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, drafted by James Madison, declares that Congress "shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Madison's friend and mentor Thomas Jefferson was proud of his role in drafting and winning assent to Virginia's religious liberty law (1786). In a letter of 1802, he referred to the need for a "high wall of separation" between church and state. Both men considered religious liberty not just a convenient political response to the actual diversity of denominations in the new Republic but as a natural right.
I'm not saying gay marriage is right. In fact, for all I know, it could be a moral abomination. We're not talking about a math equation or the rotational orbit of Jupiter here. We're talking about what people's consciences are telling them, and my thoughts on the decency or indecency of gay marriage are no more inherently right than anyone else's. As a result, I'm not going to tell you what the hell to think. Truth be told, I don't really give a @!$%#. If you believe homosexual sex acts will land people in Hell, warn your friends. If you believe homosexuals have nothing to be ashamed of, go hug some gay dudes. Your thoughts don't affect anyone else's lives, except, of course, when they're written into a state's constitution.
The battle for the soul of America and the battle for the moral path this country will follow into the future shouldn't be fought in a courtroom or a voting booth. It should be fought every single morning by hard-working people trying to do the right thing. If you think your neighbor isn't living correctly, use him as motivation to achieve your own goals. If you think the girl down the street is a slut, make wise decisions so you don't end up like her. If you think gay marriage is wrong, share those feelings with your loved ones, but always remember, those are your opinions, not excuses to force people into behaving how you would.
I'm not saying gay marriage is right, but against and banning it is definitely wrong.
Mr Barack Obama Capacity as American private citizen,a family man and as devoted christian he against it But As President of United States of America he support it.
Brilliant President of United States Of America decision.
Obama/Biden 2012
Hey martib. Don't worry -- i'm not calling you stupid or an idiot. But, just so you know -- sex between two women or two men IS LEGAL ALREADY. It isn't illegal to be gay, or to have gay sex. Please, come out of your cave, stop dragging your knuckles, put down that mindless, ignorant goddam cult book called BuyBull, and walk into this century! Come on in -- the water's fine!!
MDB
Unfortunately, the majority has the right to supress a minority. If you think about it, this country would not be a democracy it the majority rule didn't rule. No one's opinion would matter!
The founders did not want a 50%+1 dictatorship. That is why there are three branches to the government. Two houses of legistlature, veto overrides of 2/3's of the representatives and Senators, 2/3's senate and House votes to add ammendments, 3/4's of state legislatures in favor to pass new ammendments to the constitution, and a 60 vote cloture rule in the Senate.
Clearly they understood the problems of a democracy and power greeed to put those safe guards in.
96ws6 -
In case you have missed it... President Obama supports gay marriage but publicly stated its up for the states to decide. If he has violated the Constitution, please post every single violation in detail with supporting evidence.
iIf you are implying that using 'executive authority' is a violation of the Constitution, may I remind that you that it's been used since Herbert Hoover. The GOP has USED MORE executive authority than the Democrats.
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/disposition.html
All of you people anti gay marriage proponents. Get over yourself. If you feel gay marriage threatens marriage, then something is wrong with your own marriage. Seek Counseling. I have said it before, and i will say it again. The President (any of them) can come out on the side of equal civil rights, but can't make it law. Congress can vote against civil rights (DOMA) and became law because of a President that is against Civil Rights. However, its the United States Supreme Court that will decide if Congress and State Laws that deny basic civil rights are unconstitutional. They have done it before on a lot of other civil matters, and will do it again.
Biden popped the cork. 1 out of 6 fundraisers(bundlers) for him is gay/lesbian. The N.C. ban (where the Dem National conv. is) was not good for the campaign or fundraising. That is why he did it. Although i'm sure that has been his stance all along, it just wasn't the politically correct thing to do.
DMorgan: Then how do you explain this courtesy of the Washington Post 5/7/12?
Drewster this is probably the only time Obama has even acknowledged the existence of the tenth amendment. And only because he knows that by acknowledging it nobody can hold him to actually implementing his newly evolved stance on marriage. American politics at its best. Hey guys see I stand with you but say you other guys see I said I won't enforce it. A little political cha cha at its best.
With every day that passes, this man, President Obama, amazes me with his class, confidence, and thought given to everything that he does... Again I have to say, just the love he shows towards his wife and children makes me proud to have him as my president...
He has earned another term as president... But why he would ever want the job is beyond me...
So how many of you anti-gay marriage folks think it's okay to marry a cousin? Because that's legal in 30 states, as long as it's not your gay cousin...
BigAl ,What you are suggesting is the law is the force of hate and bigotry. And the laws my friend were not concieved by a small white group of Evangelicals. You are confused when you compare the law with a religious or moral belief. Religion will try to guide you in a moral interpretation of God's path. Take it or leave it. The law on the other hand will lock your ass up and tell you how many years you'll be in prison. Barack Obama did nothing to change things for same sex marriage to date.Instead he did an insulting ploy to garner votes from the gay community as well as campaign cash. The President should be focusing on getting America working,that would get him re-elected by a landslide but he is incompetent. The real insult is his absolute failure as President and how he bought into his own hype and thought he could do the job. Al you've been in Las Vegas to long
Social conservative? WTF does this mean?
Religious institutions that hide and protect homosexual pedophiles?
Republicans nominee is a Mormon?
Weird
Republicans who are against gay marriage... but history shows us how they really behave...
Q: How many Republican politicians can you fit in the closet?
A: Evidently, all of them.
It’s gone past ridiculous and straight to the absurd. At this point, it appears your average public restroom has more gay Republicans in it than clean handtowels. The “holier-than-thou” party has spent an awful lot of time on their knees this past year, but they haven’t been doing a lot of praying.
I have no theories why this is the case, other than I think that being gay is the way God made some people and being conservative is a choice, and almost every Republican I’ve met thinks the opposite.
But why question it? The larger point is that if you enjoy seeing politicians destroyed by their own hypocrisy, it’s been a very, very good year. So I give you the top five republican gay sex scandals of the past 12 months.
Mark Foley
U.S. Representative
(September 28, 2006)
The Crime: Sending sexually laced, gramatically challenged instant messages and e-mails to teenaged boys in the Congressional page program for more than 10 years.
The Hypocrisy: Chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. One of the foremost opponents of child pornography in the Senate.
The Quote: “get a ruler and measure it for me”
Ted Haggard
Leader of the National Association of Evangelicals
(November 2006)
The Crime: Paying male prostitutes for sex and snorting crystal meth.
The Hypocrisy: A powerful force in the evangelical movement, Haggard participated in weekly meetings with President George Bush and top advisors where he gave spiritual advice. He taught that homosexuality was an abomination and actively lobbied against gay rights.
The Quote: “I did not have a homosexual relationship with a man in Denver.”
Larry Craig
U.S. Senator
Senate Liason for Mitt Romney’s Presidential Campaign
(June 11, 2007)
The Crime: Soliciting sex from an undercover cop in an airport bathroom
The Hypocrisy: Craig twice voted against adding the words “sexual orientation” to the federal hate crimes law. Craig also voted to give states the right to refuse to recognize gay marriage–a right they already had, but the Senator wanted to really, really prove he didn’t like gay people.
The Quote: “I am not gay, I don’t do these kinds of things.”
Bob Allen
Member of the Florida House of Representatives
Florida Chairman of John McCain’s Presidential Campaign
(July 11, 2007)
The Crime: Offering an undercover cop $20 to allow Allen to blow him in a men’s room in a public park. After being arrested, Allen tried to explain that he only offered to blow the cop because the cop was a “burly black man” and he “didn’t want to become a statistic.”
The Hypocrisy: Allen was one of 21 Florida legislators to sign Gov. Jeb Bush’s friend-of-the-court brief supporting the state’s ban on gays adopting children, and he co-sponsored an unsuccessful bill that would have enhanced penalties for “offenses involving unnatural and lascivious acts” such as indecent exposure.
The Quote: “I certainly wasn’t there to have sex with anybody and certainly wasn’t there to exchange money for it.”
Glenn Murphy Jr.
National Chairman of the Young Republicans
Chairman of the Clark County Republican Party
(July 28, 2007)
The Crime: Murphy got a fellow Young Republican drunk and then spent the night at his house. The other young man woke up in the middle of the night to find Murphy giving him mouth-to-penis resuscitation. After this incident, a 1998 sexual battery report came to light in which Murphy was alleged to have done the exact same thing.
The Hypocrisy: Murphy was a well-paid political consultant for Republican candidates and often advised them to use gay marriage as a wedge issue to paint their opponents as out of touch with traditional values.
The Quote: “I was in the Sound of Music in High School…don’t ask” (from his now-defunct Myspace page.)
http://www.badmouth.net/top-five-republican-gay-sex-scandals/
I applaud President Obama for doing what needs to be done here. Lets get this civil rights issue to the US Supreme Court. Its time for our system of government to do what's right.
DMorgan
There is no one weaker, than one who decides they have all the answers.
I think showing party affiliation on any ballot should be illegal.
Sure have your primaries.
Anti-Gay Marriage Ban is NOT About Hate - Its About Getting People the Help They Need
How many more gay teenagers have to commit suicide before the gay community realizes suicides are primarily from inner trauma, in this case probably emotional trauma in early childhood, not primarily from external forces such as bullying - and for which people need support, resolution, and help. Unfortunately, they aren't getting that needed help in the gay community. So who is to blame?
True LGBT-4192908 - "We the People of the United Stats of America". When is the last time our society stood up and said "we are going to give these children and their parents, the support, resolution, and help they need". However, its kind of hard when we have a christian church (not all mind you), that say gay/lesbian is an abomination. When we have people who preach bigotry and hatred, instead of tolerance. I think the gay/lesbian community has done quite a bit more to help our society resolve this, but when we as a society stand up together.. only then can we truly be effective.
NOT Born Gay: Homosexuality Caused by Emotional Trauma:
Author and AIDS victim Jerry Arterburn said: "I was involved in the homosexual world as a blatant attempt to obtain the affection from other men that I did not receive from my own father."
Due to his sensitive nature, he was more deeply affected than most boys when his own father rejected him early in life. Without a loving father figure, he yearned for affection from other boys by the age of six. His yearning became sexualized at puberty. He said being abused or severely neglected in childhood was "too common a thread to ignore" in the gay community and his female mannerisms were due to his mother, his only role model. He was NOT born gay. But he was saved and transformed, just as the Bible promises all of us, whether gay or straight, as we submit to Christ by repentance and faith.
Homosexuality Caused By Emotional Trauma Says Medical Studies:
W.C. Holmes, MD said: "Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual..."
'Born Gay' Idea is UNSCIENTIFIC:
A. Byrd, PhD (University of Utah School of Medicine) said: "There is no support in the scientific research for the conclusion that homosexuality is biologically determined."
Sexual Identity Confusion Caused by Emotional Trauma:
Peter Dimrock (MSW) said: "Many men who were sexually abused (especially those abused by other men), are confused about their sexual/affectional preference." (The National Organization on Male Sexual Victimization (NOMSV) website)
TEN REASONS AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE
1. Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatuaral things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.
2. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay....in much the same way that hanging out with tall people will make you tall.
3. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. Poeple may even wish to marry their pets....because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
4. Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
5. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Brittany Spears' 55-hour "just for fun" marriage would be destroyed.
6. Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.
7. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
8. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like the one our founding fathers envisioned, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That is why we currently only have one religion here in the USA.
9. Children can never succeed without both a male and female role model at home. That is why we expressly forbid single parents to raise children.
10. Gay marriage will fundamentally change society as we know, and we could never adapt to new soicial norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, computers, cell phones, the service sector economy, and longer life spans.
On a personal note, I would like to add that I hate the word homopobia. Its not a phobia. You are not scared. You are just an a**hole.
@Its My Future Too
dude. good freaking job! so funny! so funny 'cause its true!!
The Church Has Been the ONLY Ones to Help Gay Men with AIDS, NOT Atheists:
The 2 largest organizations to help gay men dying of AIDS in my city were Judeo/Christian Organizations, NOT atheist ones, and not even funded by the gay community.
The gay community needs to understand that homosexuality is caused by emotional truama in early childhood and people need much healing, resulition, and much love - which they are NOT getting from gay activists - who will have NOTHING to do with any healing or resulution of their hurt and pain.
True?
What does that have to do with legal rights?
If marriage is strictly a religious thing than what business does government have in it?
You don't have to be legally married by a church.
Marriage is not permanent as religion dictates it is. Why is that? Till death do us part!
Atheists are allowed to be married but gays are not?
God bless you or not, I will leave that up to u.
MAKE IT SIMPLE...Call the legal union ...of Same Sex Couples...a UNIAGE. And the meaning of a UNIAGE shall be recognized and have the same meaning and guidelines as a MARRIAGE...and treated the same in Death, Divorce, Family Court , etc,... as well as Job benefits, retirement, insurance and Social Sercurity (if it survives.) IT AMAZES ME...THAT POLITICIONS...are making such an issue...about How Free Americans CHOOSE TO LIVE THEIR PERSONAL LIVES....I thought the Big Picture was....How to Run and Manage the United States, ...Make Our Country Safe,,,Put us in the Black (thank you Mr. Clinton)...and Be All We Can Be!....Run the US like a Business!...........
SHAME ON ANYONE...WHO THINKS THEY ARE ...So Superior and Entitled..they have the right to dictate how ...a Free Law Abiding Citizen...Is Going to Live Their Life and what Sex or Color their mate will be??.
JUST STOP IT!!...AND STOP IT NOW!!! This is AMERICA.... No Gender...No Color...No Origin!...except for the Census!..........CHECK THE BOX.....__Married __Uniage __Single __Divorced . TOO EASY!
Thank you, President Obama, For doing the right thing. Call it a Uniage and You can get back to the business of running the country. You are doing a good job! Prunella Crunt...So.Houston, Texas
Enough is enough! This latest issue about a judge wanting to reduce the 10 commandements that Moses wrote down to 6 is beyond pathetic!
Under the Obama administration we are moving away from what our country was founded on. They are taking away more and more of our rights, while rewarding perverted behavior. We are moving further & further away from "One Nation under God" - This is NOT moving "forward!"
All fifty state constitutions mention God in their preamble, they should be thanking him for blessings of civil and religious liberty.
I have never voted a straight Republican ticket. but i will be this time! I urge everyone to take a serious look at the direction our nation is going, for the sake of generations to come.
Thank you and God bless America!
Well, my old friends in the lamestream media are at it again, telling us how "polls" show that now a slight majority of Americans support gay marriage. If that's the case, then why have the citizens in 32 states - to include California, the center of "gaydom" - officially banned it in free elections?
@lgbt, I guess You got an honorary "R" degree that says your a Shrink. What you says is what was said more than 20 years ago. I have observed the Psyciatrist Communtiy gradually change that view point. Over the years ,if you were paying attention, there would be a news article about a shift in the view of the gay people in the nightly news or radio news or newspapers. Each time the view changed it was a more progressive thought.
This nation was NOT founded as a Christian nation. Can't you people get that through your thick skulls?
Gay Marriage WILL happen, there is no viable legal reason why it should not (just like interracial marriage). It's coming, soon, and that's a good thing. Welcome to the 21st century. The rest of us will welcome those on the wrong side of history cordially if you'll just stop bleating on about what your bible says and just live your lives quietly...
40 states have laws banning gay marriage. We don't really need to worry about the executive branch or the Supreme Court. All that is required is 39 states.
The legislatures of 2/3 of the states in the US would need to call for a convention to amend the constitution and then 3/4 of the states would have to pass the amendment.
States could also use this same solution to the problem of not being allows to put the Ten Commandments in schools.
Who The Hell is the Genius collapsing 98ws6 post? He or she hit the nail on the head!
Word of warning people, if Obama gets in for a second term,he's going to annihilate the First,Second, and fourth amendments to the Constitution.Oh wait the fourth has already been annihilated.That congress woman that 96 talks about, got a taste of her own medicine.She voted for this Dangerous Patriot act and it came back and bit her in the ass.The stupid fool didn't read it.
As far as getting someone on the supreme court,Obama already has that covered,and the thugs name is Cass Sunstein,and he is a very dangerous individual.Google this clown up and you'll see what I'm talking about.
If Obama gets in a second time and he will,he plans to circumvent the congress and the senate,and do anything he dam well pleases to get his Socialist/Marxist Agenda across.
To bad when someone like 96 is telling the truth it gets collapsed!
With all of the opposition from the right, it is a miracle that President Obama managed to get 144 confirmations. No, no, no, no, no, no, no is not govening. That has been the only contribution of the republican party since the president's election.
You just say "NO" to stupidity. Obama has shown a lot of that in just about everything he has done.
You're obviously not so smart. You must be one of them bible thumpers. This is the smartest move ever for Obama who will clearly win the next election on the back of gay voters and supporters of gays. Romney can never ever say he supports gay marriage or his career, supporters, and religion will go against him. Obama has this one in the bag. Go back to worshiping your "god" and leave your idiotic remarks at whatever church it is that takes all of your money.
Jim-1455434. Please feel free to eleborate...
He won't.
Of course he did, otherwise his funding would have been taken away. Show me the money!
The senate has a democratic majority your complaint won't fly.
Too bad your mom didn't say NO to your dad...
NOT Born Gay: Homosexuality Caused by Emotional Trauma:
"Like many who struggle with same-sex attractions, the early years of my life were filled with pain and confusion. When I was 8 years old my parents divorced. This single event was the turning point. For the next 12 years my life would be marked by rejection, estrangement, isolation, abuse, insecurity, and fear....What I did not realize for the first half of my life was that my struggle with same-sex attraction WAS BORN OUT OF A LEGITIMATE HUNGER FOR LOVE, AFFIRMATION, IDENTITY, AND SECURITY."
D. Berryessa, ex-gay.
Gay Suicides INCREASE in Gay-Friendly Nations:
Being supportive of the basic civil rights of gays and lesbians does not require a belief in the false notion that people are born gay. They are not. Homosexuality is caused by emotional trauma - from childhood neglect, abuse, or any number of traumatic causes.
If we love someone, we want to see them healed (from the emotional trauma connected to the homosexual feelings), not see them get married.
In the Netherlands where gay marriage has been accepted for quite awhile now, has seen no decrease in gay suicide - in fact, some studies show an increase.
If you do not promote emotional healing and resolution and instead choose to ignore it for your own selfish reasons, their blood is on your hands.
Lesbians Say 'Born Gay' Concept is UNSCIENTIFIC:
Lesbian activist Camille Paglia said: "Homosexuality is not 'normal.' On the contrary it is a challenge to the norm...Nature exists whether academics like it or not. And in nature, procreation is the single relentless rule. That is the norm. Our sexual bodies were designed for reproduction...No one is born gay. The idea is ridiculous..."
Lesbian activist and biologist Dr. Anne Fausto-Sterling, referring to the "born gay" argument, said: "It provides a legal argument that is, at the moment actually having some sway in court. For me, it's a very shaky place. It's bad science and bad politics."
"Born Gay" Concept is UNSCIENTIFIC
Gay activist and scientist Simon LeVay said: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."
"Gay activism was clearly the force that propelled the APA to declassify homosexuality".
True lgbt, how are you the expert??? Just because you acted gay doesn't mean you were gay... Apparently you think you can convince the rest of us you were... You can't... A lot of us know better... Might as well change your screen name as it is a lie...
Seriously. What is wrong with you? Do you think they can "pray the gay away"? I have known gay people, and you could already tell in kindergarden that they were who they were. And you must not know much about history...of either our species or of animals. There have always been gays. There are even animals who engage in same sex behavior. It is a part of nature, ever since the ancient greeks. So, every gay chooses to be that way because their Daddys didn't love them? Seriously, what is wrong with you?
I'm sick of hearing about gays and how they are treated. They choose to lead a perverted lifestyle, no one forced them to. Under the Obama adminstration more and more of our rights are being taken away, while perverted behavior is being rewarded. This is NOT moving "Forward!"
We are moving farther & farther away from the morals our country was founded on. Farther away from One Nation Under God. This latest issue about a judge wanting to reduce the 10 commandments Moses wrote to 6 is pathetic!
All fifty state constitutions mention God in their preamble, they should be thanking him for blessings of civil and religious liberty.
I didn't like him before and I sure as hell don't like him now! Marriage is between on man and one woman...anything else is a civil union, or whatever! Yes, the LGBT community can be anything they like, but NOT MARRIED. Same rights...OK. BUT NOT MARRIED!!!
I agree with oldotto2. Give the same sex couples...THE SAME RIGHTS.. bUT NAME IT "UNIAGE". cHECK THE BOX ON THE CENSUS FORM!
This silly, sorry, in-way-too-far-over-his-head, flip-flopping FOOL of a president will do ANYTHING for votes, including trying to suck up to homosexuals now, if it means they'll vote for him, then he'll throw them under the bus, as he discards everyone after he gets what he wants form them. Don't be fooled gay-boys, it'll happen to you, too. You'll be left holding your K-Y and wondering where he went.
HEY PATRIOT CHIC...What are your credentials...to say WHO IS PREVERTED... what IF YOU WERE BORN WITH GENES...that made you feel different ...THAN YOU LOOKED?... Would you have the same opinion ? I AM LUCKY....I ACTUALLY GREW UP....WITHOUT PREJUDICE. I AM 58 YEARS OLD....and until I read the book...THE HELP... I can never remember hearing anything about black people in my childhood. Daddy had black friends...he had Mexican friends...who built a BBQ Pit. I get it Now! ARE YOU THE PERSON WHO IS QUAILIFIED TO TELL THE PEOPLE ..who and which gender and person they should be with? ...They are wrong?
TRUE STORY: 7 children...if a child did something wrong...and Daddy asked.."who did it?"..If another kid said who DID IT!...They got a whipping for snitching! i am 58 years old and finally understand the Martin Luther King story....and Edgar...after reading the book "The Help".....I AM NOT STUPID... I know about Prujudice....BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE!.. But after reading the Book...that explained alot of things to me. I just wasn't subjected to it! 58 years old and DID NOT KNOW....the pain ...some folks were going thru. AND One of My Best Childhood MEMORIES...was...the Black Lady with weathered skin...who gave me a piece of chicken with Honey on It!
SO...Leave folks alone...this is America....Land of Choices. Unless you are qualified to designate what folks should be doing.................MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS...
I guess now he could add .......................... there could be more votes
SO...Leave folks alone...this is America....Land of Choices
Yes it is, and those that choose to be homosexuals should not try force their sickness on to those that don't approve of it....And as far as i know, this is an open forum for discussion, if you don't like my comments , don't read them. Good luck with your sickness.
Patriot Chic: I agree with you a 100%. We have a turn on a dime President that is switching his tune now just to try to get more votes. This is because his numbers keep going lower and lower in the country and a lot of people want to vote him out and a lot of other people in congress too. This is a way of trying to get votes but will change his tune again once they vote for him. I did not vote for him the first time. I definitely will not vote for him this time either especially because of this. YOu are a 100% right and I am with you all the way.
Hey Hey Guuuys, theres like this thing I guess you didn't hear of it. It's called separation of church and state. Now please present your argument without a religion aspect and I might listen...Oh wait that's right you have none. Just a book that was written 1500 years ago, and has what's that? Oh yea been changed numerous times with the flow of time. Guess what else that precious bitty book says? It says that if a man dies his widow must marry the next in line to his family and submit to her new husband. A raped woman must marry her rapist and he must pay her father for the loss of his property. A man can marry and keep as many concubines as he wishes...What else I know theres one big one...Oh that's right Slaves are totally cool and they must be with whoever their master wishes.
As for you Patriot Chic this a special bit in there for you too, it says that when you are on your special time of the month? You must be quarantine for that time period, cause what was it again? Oh that's right Woman's perversion. So the next time you wanna claim your whole sickness junk best be locking your a** in the garage. So if you don't like MY COMMENTS remember you brought it to the table so don't get huffy on me.
trueLGBT - uhm when they say they are born gay it IS scientific and has been proven
So would you like to try again? Maybe your situation was "lack of love" but Scientific American disagrees with you. So unless you have a PhD in neurology I really don't think we're qualified to say something "we know is true" without doing a little research.
This is a no-lose for President Obama. Either way this election in November turns out, Americans will always remember, if Mitt Romney takes the helm, that the MAN that preceded him in the White House, is more of an American hero than Mitt Romney could ever hope to be.
If Barack Obama loses this election to the completely dysfunctional, fear-mongering lunatic mainstream Republican Tea Party mobile corporate meat walkie talkie Mitt Romney, then he will be booed right off the swearing-in platform. Mitt Romney, despite any election result, would not be recognized by a majority of the American people just as quickly as Wisconsin realized after electing Scott Walker as their governor exactly what the Left predicted was going to happen. These guys are con men! They are in this for the money!
If you can't see the darkness in Mitt's eyes brought on by the smell of blood he senses in the American economic ocean, then you're missing the bigger picture: he's like a Gordon Gekko just waiting for his moment - his chance to own the world and fulfill what he believes is his destiny - as in HIS - Destiny.
Mitt Romney will be walking up those alien steps to his Mother Ship all by himself, I fear, come November 6, where they will welcome him home and treat him with Thorazine.
no maria, the Bible has not changed what it says with the flow of time. You can take our oldest documents and match them perfectly with todays King James Version, though in actuallity to get its true understanding would probably take knowledge in both Greek and Hebrew, though it is very close. I am not at all sorry that I don't want to turn our country even further away from Christian principles. Also separation of church and state? then why do you want the state to force churches to marry gay people then? I would also like to find where you located Separation of Church and State in the Constitution? We can thank activist liberal leaning judges for that.
Ivans Word - the BIBLE has indeed grown and changed with time. Its interpretation on morals and character have changed over time and generally based on the ruling party trying to control the masses.
First, Amendment #1 of the United States Constitution:
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am1.html
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of a religion. That alone tells me, Christianity is not the National Religion of the United States. Therefore, Christian beliefs are not over secular laws. You may choose to worship as you see fit but you cannot use the bible as a means to over ride secular law. God is not mentioned anywhere in the United States Constitution.
How can a church be forced to marry gay individuals? This isn't a dictatorship. There are plenty of other legal means in which a gay marriage can be done, and honestly.. there are many christian churches now who will perform the gay marriage.
I'd be careful about 'treading on words ' activist liberal leaning judges. We have plenty of church representatives who are abusing their 'tax exempt status' to change secular law. If they want too, they should be taxed, if not, save it for the pulpit.
Patriot Chic -
When do we get to vote on your marriage? Do we get to decide who you can Marry? It seems you and few others think you should decide who I marry? What are you so afraid of with gay marriage? Do you think we should protect your heterosexual rights to discriminate against gays/lesbians, even though they pay the same taxes? Do you think you should have the right to treat people like second class citizens? If so, you are a disgrace to the United States and I am ashamed you are an America. "We the People", unless you are gay?
For being a 'Patriotic' Chic you sure seem to have no idea of the ideals, history, or the Constitution on which this country was founded. Let me go step by step through your innane babble.
You choose to be religious - no one forced you to do that. Does that make it ok to discriminate against you? I find your religious bigotry to be as perverted as it gets and as far from Jesus as one might stray. It's disgusting. Those who hate their brother will not know Him. Does that make it ok to vote on your rights? If people like me were in the majority, would it be right for us to ban marriage between religious bigots?
You didn't choose to be straight, did you? Does that make it ok to discriminate against you?
History lesson: "One Nation Under God" was added to the pledge in 1954 - which in case you were wondering, is not the year of the founding of this country. It was largely in response to the Soviets and zealot legislatures wanting to sound extra-religious to somehow compete/differentiate the US from that regime (screw our constitutionally established secularism).
The Consitution was founded on Enlightenment principles - the very 1st line of the Bill of Rights established the government of this country as a secular insititution.
Forcing what, exactly? What is being forced upon you? WHAT will happen? You bigots keep pointing at the shadow in the closet like a bunch of children, yet are incapable of describing just WTF you are talking about when you say 'their sickness is forced'..... are you afraid of catching 'teh gay' ? Maybe you should check on your own sexual orientation if you are actually afraid of 'teh gay' being 'forced upon you.'
So what? Theocrats think just because God is mentioned in a preamble that this somehow becomes a nation to be dictated by your religious doctrine? The 1st amendment disagrees with you on that one.
Here, this will cover all of your moronic arguments:
1) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester and air conditioning.
2) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
3) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
4) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all like many of the principles on which this great country was founded; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
5) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of marriages like Britney Spears' would be destroyed.
6) The only valid marriages are those which produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.
7) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
8) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.
9) Children can never succeed without both a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.
10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy or longer life spans.
If your State wants to be a theocracy, by all means... but you must secede from the Union first - because the Union is governed by the Constitution, and the Constitution does not allow theocracies.
It will be fun to have a Christian Saudi Arabia next door though, could visit sometimes and experience the exotic culture of repression and bigotry.
This is an outright lie. Nobody is asking for that. Who told you that? This is like the 3rd time I've heard that line of nonsense, someone is feeding you lies in order to sway your opinion.
Churches have always been allowed to discriminate on ANYTHING they wish, and that won't change anytime soon nor does it need to. Your church, any church, has the right to discriminate because they have freedom of religion.
Why would it be even necessary to force churches to do that? There are plenty of churches that are pro-gay already, there is NO NEED nor desire to force anti-gay churches to marry gay people.
Gay marriage is about recognition by the STATE, not by churches (there are churches that already do recognize gay marriage) - but the STATE recognition is not contingent upon church recognition whatsoever. A church could recognize a marriage between a man and a sandwhich if it wants to, churches recognize polygamous marriages all the time - but that doesn't change what the state recognizes.
Shuklack - I don't think I could improve on any of your comments. Well spoken and right on the money.
Thanks! I don't like to multi-post, but the lies and logical fallacies in this thread were simply overwhelming. It is beyond my comprehension how people can say such obvious bunk and take themselves seriously - and not see that their b.s. is representative of a poor argument.
If a person has an indefensible position, one would think they might recognize that they might just be TOTALLY WRONG. But no, instead they stand proudly ignorant upon their pile of straw.
If I recall it is the Democrat controlled Senate that hasn't passed a budget in 3 years. So tell me, how is that considered governing by your definition? Looks also that Pres Obama got more confirmations through then President Bush did when the Congress was controlled by the other party. It's time that people stop looking at party lines and start looking at the individuals who are running this country. As far as I can see, the veterans of both parties are the major problem and people need to just start getting them out of there regardless of what Party they are affiliated with. No one should hold office more than 1 term regardless of what party they belong to. The job was never supposed to be a career.
gay people did not CHOOSE to be gay, unless of course you CHOSE to be straight (when did you make that choice, 12? 13?)
Yeah, like someone would choose a lifestyle that makes them a victim of bullying and bigotry for life...
People are born gay. The sooner you understand this, the better off you will be.
why bother even bringing up a budget if it's only going to be filibustered because it does not contain enough cuts to education, planned parenthood, and poor people while simultaneously giving away millions of $$'s in tax breaks to the wealthiest American's...
While I personally support gay rights and think it will ultimately be resolved by the Supreme Court (just like interracial marriages), I don't think this one issue will determine the election. It's obviously a key issue for some, but for others there are other issues that are more important.
As to the article implying the Supreme Court decisions in the next few years will be very important...that's always the case. Things don't get to the Supreme Court unless they are important. This just seems to be one of those "slow news day" articles they pull out every now and then when not enough new stuff is going on.
The Conservative SCOTUS have been given their orders ... by the minority 1% .. the GOP/TP are in this to engineer a social change that will keep the middle class and poor Americans fighting among their selves.... while the 1% get richer and govern with an iron fist ... if your middle class enjoy it while you can... your rights will soon be taken away by a bought and paid for SCOTUS
Ivans Word
The First Amendment says that Congress shall make no law establishing an official religion. This is where the separation of church and state comes from. If you read it it literally means that you are guaranteed FREEDOM FROM RELIGION.
Patriotic Chic, will you marry me? You are beautiful, and I really need a second wife. Can't be anything wrong with that can it?
Ivans Word
Wow could you be anymore full of it? The bible has been updated and passages removed that don't apply to modern lives. Also You do relize this country wasn't based on your Christian wants and needs being above others it was to get away from people like you that wave your religion around like a dick
And thank you Spatman for pointing out you know the glaring lies in this dimwit's statment
Spatman would be incorrect in regards to the premise of the First Amendment: it was written to protect the Church from State intervention, NOT to protect the State from the Church...
Separation of Church and State is not a law; it never has been. It's an ideology.
You may wish to study BEFORE posting inaccuracies.
Bitch the only ones who are sick are you f****** ass-backward Christians We don't try to force others to be gay that's just what you want to believe because your false god tells you too.
...(Has now regained my control of my temper) Terribly sorry but I hope karma delivers a finishing blow to any and all Christians who still believe that homosexuality is a sickness or an abomination. To any moderators who read this. I am only voicing my opinion and not personally attacking anyone. I'm simply waiting for the inevitable to happen. Nothing more nothing less.
the only question i still have about this awful debate is whether or not the COS will walk his daughters down the aisle if they marry other women. i wish someone would answer this question. its disgusting, immoral, ugly and turned my stomach against the whole family. its cheap!
Middle I must ask which side you are with on this. The father walking his daughter down to marry another women would depended on what day and age he was born in. Today's men would get hard no matter the women. Yesterdays men would just accept his little girls choice and want her to be happy even if he is disappointed.
caughtinthemiddle: Hhave no idea what your family upbringing was, but I"m not sure you have a clue as to why the world has so passed you by on this issue. Hate isn't a family value and loving your daughter isn't too many people's idea of "disgusting"....ask Dick Cheney.
The historical fact is that it takes a man and a woman to pro-create in order to propagate our human race. That is what the basis for it is. If we stopped pro-creating we would cease to exist eventually. As for the morality of it, that will be decided between the person engaging in it and their maker. In the end whatever the religions say on the subject is only an opinion by a group in order to maintain a certain amount of control over what people may engage in. In the final analysis it is a personal choice not a group one. As for courts and politicians they should only be engaged in the legal and financial ramifications of it. The whole of society is not going to all of a sudden change and engage in it just because some do.
Matrimony
conjugate
Nuptuals
marital
It is always interesting to look up word origins. Tells us how ignorant and twisted we are today.
What if a man or woman is sterile and can't have kids? Should they not be able to marry then? Marriage isn't just about procreation.
Sorry, spin it anyway you want but homophobia (because that's really what we're talking about here) has zero rational underpinnings.
the politicians are only using gay marriage rights as a smoke screen, if passed, any couple that cohabitate will have the same rights as married couples on their income taxes, and whatever other breaks there are involving money!!!
So marriage is just for making babies then? Wow so every whore I've ever met were right no marriage is better. Marriage is for those who want to become one with their bond mate and to have everlasting compassion for their partner. Having a kid has nothing to do with marriage.
joesph Halspring - Thank NC for putting an amendment on their constitution that forbids civil unions for 'common law' couples of any sexual orientation. Most other states and I think even the federal government may already recognize "Common" Law Marriage. Oh wait, that's if you are heterosexual only.
Rtypo did you know sterility of one partner if the other is not informed before the marriage is grounds for annulment. Itsabout time my state has common law marriage and FYI it was originally intended on the frontier for protection of the children not convenience of the adults. That way the kids would be legitimate and able to inhierit
So what. Procreation has never been a requirement of marriage. But procreation is what creates gay people -- every time. And, millions of straight couples already choose not to ever have kids, yet I don't see you running around demanding that they divorce!
Who is talking about ceasing to pro-create? Why would the notion of two men down the street, having the right to get married, suddenly cause all straight people to stop having sex and making babies?
Why would you say something so stupid?
So, do you suggest that my husband and I get divorced because I can't have children?
Homosexuality Caused By Emotional Trauma as Early as 4 Years Old:
Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA 2009): "One half of the victims...often linked their homosexuality to their sexual victimization experiences...The age at the time of the molestation ranged from 4 to 16 with a mean age of 10."
Homosexuality Linked to Emotional Trauma Says Medical Studies - a SEVENFOLD Increase:
W.C. Holmes, MD said: "Abused [male] adolescents, particularly those victimized by males, were up to 7 times more likely to self-identify as gay or bisexual..."
Homosexuality NOT Fixed in All Individuals:
"Being supportive of the basic civil rights of self-identified gays and lesbians does not require a belief in the false notion that homosexuality is invariably fixed in all people. It is not. Patient self-determination, the cornerstone of all mental health professionals, must rise above the political debate."
"Like most psychiatrists I thought that homosexual behavior could be resisted, but sexual orientation could not be changed. I now believe that's untrue - some people can and do change."
(Archives of Sexual Behavior 2003: 200 Participants Reporting a Change from Homosexual to Heterosexual Orientation)
In just the past yer I have heard a lot about what the Founding Fathers intended. I do not remember anything about them intending to make slaves equal, allowing women to vote or be equal, or anything about Gays and Lasbians. Those were different times then.
Your just plain ignorant to use procreation as an excuse to ban Gay Marriage.
The scientists that came up with emotional trauma were partial and biased. Imagine being a Gay child and your Bible thumping parents get with their pastor to help you pray the Gay away or your going to hell. Would that not be a traumatic experience for a child thinking what he/she is feeling will be the cause of eternal damnation? These studies are not showing The children who have never been abused and grew up in a normal environment. This does show how many are given false information, which is then used to try to base facts that are not correct. You also have to look at who gets this information, and that's normally the uninformed who merely used a search engine.
Those who are really fighting Gay Marriage are using religion as the reason. What I find disturbing is that these same people cheat on their wives/husbands, a mostly never stay married.
I served in the military with Gay men and women. They did outstanding jobs and were some of the best soldiers in the militry.
If you were a "true lgbt" you would know this fact. I'm a straight, married male and knew some of this.
LOL @ "True LGBT"
You've been spamming the message boards with the same nonsensical crap (none of it true), and you've been at it for several days now.
No one is listening to you, your posts are of no value (although I will still not collapse them as I'm patently against collapsing others posts unless they're advertisements and/or truly inflammatory).
From the top 10 reasons to ban gay marriage on lolbrary.com
6) The only valid marriages are those which produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.
@True LGBT
Keep trying to convince yourself that you're not gay by spamming the same references to inconclusive studies that actually don't really support your position. It's kind of funny.
If the only reason for marriage between a man and a woman is to screw and have brats, I guess my husband and I were wrong in getting married. We didn't want kids-- we were both in our fourties and he had grown children by a previous marriage. He was in the military and we didn't need kids.
I believe the homophobics of the world are afraid that somebody being gay and getting married will somehow destroy a marriage between a man and a woman. Believe me it doesn't.
What does destroy a marriage is some heterosexual male or female shacking up for the hell of it. A kid arrives and all the fun is gone-- so it is time to find another shack job. Let me see-- I believe that is a Class Q dependent.
That argument is so tired. The point is, having children is still always a possibility between a man and woman if there are no health issues. Even if one is considered "sterile" it is not impossible at the right time and right circumstances for conception to occur. All the right anatomy is in place and the male and female bodies were designed to produce children when both of them participate in intercourse. Two homosexuals, on the other hand, can screw (or try to) until eternity and I guarantee they aren't going to bear children. The human body just isn't designed that way no matter how you try to claim it is "natural". Try another spin, yours isn't working.
What is tired is people like you trying to justify your bigotry. Wether a couple can or can not have children is irrelevant to marriage.
Mr. Steady: Guess that whole "stable families" thing just passed you RIGHT on by! That's the government's interest and societies interest in marriage. Stable. Families. You get that whether or not the couple is the same or different gender because you get two people committed to each other and to any children they might raise together....whether they have them biologocially, adopt, or blend families. Commitment and love is never a bad idea and that's why your side is losing and will continue to lose so overwhelmingly on this argument.
This is why it is so important to get the vote out. Progressives and all democrats need to show up and vote out the obstructionalist Congressional members. Let's gain control of the courts and Congress and put this country on the right track. Going back into the dark past is not a good plan except for those who want to control every aspect of your life. Freedom of choice is the best rule not oppression.
Your one hundred percent correct....and the first and biggest obstructionist that should be sent packing is Harry Reid!
Keep lining up tea bag idiots like Sharon Angle against Reid and he will not be going anywhere except back to washington.
Oppressionm is this Presidnet, he has been oppressing the economy with all his band aids and all his handouts and entitlements. He is oppress the economy, jobs, people from getting ahead. Socialism is not the answer! It holds people back.
We need a president that understands business, capitalism, the economy and not just says anything to grab a few votes. That is what this president is all about; hanging with the movie stars and saying anything he thinks will get him a vote. Nothing else to him except his socialism agenda.
well now, that was profound...
AmericaFirst::: Oh, we need a president who has said-- and in front of a lot of people and microphones and recorders-- that he likes to FIRE people who work for him? One who ran a number of companies into bankruptcy thus firing many people? One who has secret bank accounts overseas so that he doesn't have to pay taxes like the poor working folks have to pay? One who believes in denying people their right to the pursuit of happiness? One who wants to deny federal help to schools, programs to benefit the elderly, poor and children? One like that has NO BUSINESS running a country-- unless he wants only the rich biches to survive in the country! Yes, he wants to kill off the unfortunate.
Susie: you had me up to the b word. Lose it, hon, if you want to be taken seriously, and as an adult with something to say.
Separate Church and State... 1st Amendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.." What happened to the Constitution...
The right likes to say they like the Constitution..But only passages they agree with..They like to pick and choose the articles they support..It's a multiple choice type thing..
poolman1 - Are you seriously suggesting no humans came up with that rule prior to the people who wrote the Bible? Further, are you suggesting those human authors of the Bible didn't borrow common sense rules from other cultures when they came up with the 10 Commandments?
You forget this part
"or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
When you change the definition of Marriage, you are infringing on what the church does.
There is no reason for government to regulate marriage except for health concerns. And the only reason for government to perform them is for those who don't want to do so within the rules of the religion.
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DB Akron - Marriage isn't a strictly religious thing. Two atheists marrying doesn't infringe on a church. Two Buddhists marrying doesn't infringe on a Christian church. Two men marrying doesn't infringe on a church.
This country has a high religious segment. This decision will greatly hamper the Obama re-electionn in the swing states where Obama MUST win a majority of the states. Of these swing states, Obama must win at least 6 of the 8. North Carolina just voted 61% to 39% against gay marriage. In Ohio, a Democratic poll shows Ohioans in favor of a traditional definition of marriage and banning gay marriage by a 62% to 34% margin. In Florida the two largest voting blockare seniors and hispanics have a strong history of being very conservative on this issue and against gay marriage. The two major areas where this will help the President are the West Coast and the East/New England area. These areas were voting for the President anyway. This move does far more to hurt the President than will help him in this election.
Paul - DB was a Santorum supporter.....Need I say more?
digi-848597
When was congress attempting to pass a law respecting an establishment of religion? Why wasn't I told. Why did no one try to stop it?
Digi, marriage is a legal contract that conveys specific legal rights and responsibilities to the people who engage in it. That's why you need a marriage license from the state in which you marry. The religious elements of a wedding ceremony have nothing to do with these legal obligations, which is why you can just as easily get married in a court by a Justice of the Peace or equivalent. Supporters of gay marriage want the same legal obligations and legal rights that heterosexual married couples have - for example, standing in matters of inheritance, recognition as "next of kin" in the event of incapacitating illness or death, and the like.
This has nothing whatever to do with religion and everything to do with equality under the law. You might remember that equality under the law is one of the promises made in the Constitution - which you may also recall that the right wing lunatics who took over Congress in 2010 made quite a show of reading aloud (except the icky parts, of course) before they promptly set about desecrating every bit of its spirit.
There is no establishment of religion involved it is society deciding what marriage means in their state. And North Carolina is not Congress. They way Congress acts that would be an insult to the people of North Carolina to call them that.The best thing about the redistricting in my state is I can't vote for the incumbent I'm not in his district anymore.
Which church? Just yours? Millions of Americans belong to legitimate religious congregations (methodist, episcopal, unitarian, some jewish temples...etc etc) which already bless and perform gay marriage. So, why is it ok to prohibit the free exericise of THIER faiths?
By the way, the definition of marriage is ever changing. In the 1960's, many right-wing religious lowlifes claimed the definition of marriage was a man and a woman of the same race.
Guess what. They were wrong then, too. Discrimination and hate is usually quite wrong. Regardless what you interpret from your goddam cult book, regardless if you think your cult god hates the same people you do...
Cheers!
A very broken part of the electoral system Ray W. We are seeing a Leader who will go down in history as the first president to speak up for this civil rights issue. In twenty years when this is all a memory, his stance will be remembered and celebrated. He's listening to public opinion for the WHOLE country. It should not be about "swing" states.
the church holds sway with "Holy Matrimony" not marriage. what's really sad about the NC vote was their whole reason for adding Amendment 1 and was stated by one of the "founders" of that movement was because "it's easy to overturn a law but very hard to overturn an amendment". I really thought we, as a nation, would have progressed further.
It just seems, and I may be wrong, that just about every generation there comes this great "moral dilemma" and it involves someone's right to equality. The thing is, homosexuality has been around long before the birth of Christ. It is found in nature. Chimpanzese have been observed having those relationships. I'm not getting into Evoltionism versus Creationism, but seeing as we share many of the same genes as Chimps, is it really that hard to understand? And when they do get equal rights it's not going to cause the human race to go extinct. Like I said it's been around for a long time and with China having over 1 billion people and the US at around 320 million I don't see any "dark days" of humans dying out any time soon.
I can speak for my own religious experience on this particular issue. I was not allowed to participate or receive holy sacraments because I was not married in the church. Being married by the Justice of Peace is considered "living in sin". The church does not recognize ANY marriage outside the church. Basically, any person that is not married in church are not worthy of receiving God's blessings whether your straight or not. OK, so I shook off the dirt off my sandals and left or at least I thought I did but it appears the religious institution has invaded this country. They are creating their laws as they have done through the ages throughout the world.
Ruby - you hit the nail on the head read my post below.
DB Akron - Marriage isn't a strictly religious thing. Two atheists marrying doesn't infringe on a church. Two Buddhists marrying doesn't infringe on a Christian church. Two men marrying doesn't infringe on a church. - Paul
Correction:
I can speak from my own religious experience on this particular issue. I was not allowed to participate or receive holy sacraments because I was not married in the church. Being married by the Justice of Peace is considered "living in sin". The church does not recognize ANY marriage outside the church. Basically, any person that is not married in church are not worthy of receiving God's blessings whether you're straight or not. OK, so I shook the dirt off my sandals and left or at least I thought I did, but it appears the religious institution has invaded the entire country. They are creating laws as they have done through the ages throughout the world.
What's next? Will appointed Christian judges force citizens into religious institutions in order to seek Godly advice and clergy's approval in order to attain a legitimate "Holy" marriage?
They do the same, only moreso, with the Bible....
The Supreme Court will eventually hear this case. I still cannot believe that, in 2012, the issue of same sex unions is still a talking point. Get religion out of ALL aspects of law.
I can say that I have met atheist who think homosexuality is wrong!!!! That's their personal non religious reason, they just do not like it!!! And that is their right to dislike something, even if they understand it they STILL do not HAVE to like it!!!
However, I agree with you, we need to move beyond religions controlling our freedom, but by that same concept a govt should not control them either. One is supposed to be in service of god and another is SUPPOSED to be in the service of its people, I can not honestly say the govt is in the service for anyone but their own selfish greed for power and money!!!
I love it someone is finally seeing the whole picture except me!!! thanks TexasFighterGal I really needed that boost!~!!!!
Will they hear the other 37 states that have marriage laws saying marriage is between one man and one woman too. Kevin this is only the last in a long line of states that have voted for traditional marriage. And for Jack Mack it doesn't matter what the inheiritance laws of your state are the banks of the US will refuse to honor them if they don't conform to the east coast where they have their office anyway. Thats how they stole our farm by ignoring the land transfer laws in Iowa.
Wow, so now you're trying to use atheists to try and make your hate and discrimination seem legit! What a hoot...
Well, guess what -- I've known atheists who hated blacks and asians.
They were wrong, too.
Oh, and guess what. There are a lot of things that "people don't like" -- doesn't mean it sould be illegal. I don't like seeing fat, gross, John Goodman and Roseanne Barr striaght couples who have to make out in public places, airports, parks, and so on. Should it be illegal for them to do that in public, just because it grosses people out?
Cheers hon! I hope you grow up someday...
thumbs up TexasFighterGal - i feel that the church(es) are the ones mostly responsible for the number of states that have voted to define marriage as one man one woman. i just can't get past what they're trying to protect. they all seem to want to thump the bible at you when the talk turns to this subject, however the bible gets so many things wrong, how can anyone with reasonable intelligence continue to believe?
DMorgan, did you really not read what I said , at all!!! back-up re-read and figure out just how backwards your assumptions are from what was actually said.
I support gay marriage and I know NON christians who do not, therefore Christianity is not the ONLY reason for someone to disagree with gay marriage. Our beliefs are NOT always based on religion, to some it just their opinion!!!
I can not believe how incredibly far off the mark your comments are from what I actually said!!!
Wow, just wow, you are just incredible, I am appalled that your eyes should even be reading something I wrote. Wow, you didn't even read it, you could not possibly have read it and come up with that opinion.
Atheism, is not considered by many to be any sort of religions, the topic brought up was "Get religion out of ALL aspects of law."
To many atheism is not a religion and therefore not all haters are christian or religious bigots. Some are NOT religious and do not use religion as a reason to not like gays, they just dont like gays. No church told them this is how to think, they think that way with no regards to a religion.
I did not say it was right or wrong, I said and you, wow, Get your butt back up there and re-read!!!!
^this. Some people are just bigots.
And don't be too hard on DMorgan. He's on your side here (i.e. arguing in favor of gay marriage). He just misread your post, I know I've certainly been guilty of the same. I'm sure if he reads your response he'll feel bad about it :)
Good day, and keep up the good work!
I didn't think I was as hard on him as some others might have been!!!
Ditto, good day and KUTGW!!!!
digi, People of religion have these things called "the ten commandments"! One of those commandments says, "thou shalt not kill". So should we make murder legal so that there is a "separation of church and state"?
Hahahaha,,,,,,,,,,Is there anything more ridiculas for the Right to use than "Thou Shalt not Kill"
When virtually EVERY single Republican in DC has been screaming for the last 2 years that we
need to declare yet another war with no solid proof. Republicans have no idea how to govern
without fearmongering and warmongering
"Thou Shalt Not Kill",,,,,,,,,,,,Unless your a Republican???
Bo - Thou shalt not kill unless it's war, capital punishment, or wacky gun laws. They are rabid anti-abortionists because it "takes an innocent life". Aren't innocent people killed in war, executed and in random gun fire? Hypocrites all.
Kimmy,
You are a gasbag and you are wrong.
Thou shall not steal unless you are a major US bank too big to fail.
or the government
The court is interested in laws that protect rights of citizens. Civil union laws protect citizens be they gay or straight when it comes to property rights, inheritance rights, visitation rights, power of attorney. As long as citizens are protected the court will agree. The genius of states rights, is it allows states to have civil union laws, legalized pot and prostitution, selling of alcohol.
Bear in mind the Founding Fathers did NOT want Federal government to become big, but wanted states to do what they felt was best for their citizens. It's why you had Protestants, Catholics, Jews, agnostics,different ethnic groups choosing certain states over others.
They even said that in Federal elections like for President, House/Senate ALL citizen of legal age must be allowed to vote. Look at states who have different ages for driving, or in the past, for drinking. There are states who changed drinking ages from 18 to 21 because the Feds said they would stop Fed aid to any state that kept the 18 age.
yes civil unions protect a few rights, but not all. I know death benefits and survivors pensions are not allowed in civil unions. I'd have to ask friends that are gay what others aren't in their "rights".
It's odd, our forefathers had the wherewithal to put "separation of church and state" into our constitution, but it's almost impossible for that to happen with churches elbowing their way to the front of the line screaming "foul" about something they have no right to be involved in.
My thought is, if you want to live in a country with religiously run government, move to the Middle East or find a way to move into Vatican City.
Hey poolman1::: The bible was written by HUMANS. Humans who were not around at the time this book covers. And I doubt if there were tape recorders and long-life batteries to record what Christ was supposed to have said. Humans make errors, and especially if it is tales passed down from generation to generation.
Has anybody SEEN the original tablets the Ten Commandments were on-- or is it just a figment of some human's imagination? You shouldn't believe those tales unless you witness them.
Question for you liberals, why is it when Obama is all over the map on an issue, its called "EVOLVING" but if Romney changes his mind, he flip flops. And I am only talking about the HYPOCRISY of it and nothing else. Everyone has the right to change their minds and "evolve". What we believe as children changes with age. I use to be a screaming liberal back in the day, and actually voted for MCGOVERN for President(God help me). When given new information about a subject, most use our minds, mull over the new information, and sometimes change our positions. I really do not care who someone else loves, or what someone else does behind closed doors. I do resent "activist" no matter what their beliefs are, if they have to be " up in your face" about it. Enough with the social issues, we are trying to save our jobs and homes.( IT REALLY IS ABOUT THE ECONOMY STUPID). Iran is in the process of obtaining a nuclear weapon. And I think it is rather pathetic that Obama had to announce his position on this issue on a stupid " special news report " like everyone in America, is going to stop everything, and stand by our televisions, with " baited breath " because the ONE, is gonna tell us what HE thinks. And if everyone else is to stupid to figure it out for themselves, its all about contributions from Hollywood types, " gay for pay " politics. Period..................
Obama admits what he said in the past is differing from what he is saying now.
See how that is different from saying something in the past and then pretending you didn't when you say something different now?
Exactly liberals need to quit with the name calling and stick with the issues. You read the comments on this vine and its "third grade" BS. Its really not a freakin' popularity contest, this isn't " Dancing with the Stars" and were gonna "vote off" the first person that stumbles. Its the hypocrisy that annoys the crap out of me. Have both candidates submit a budget, explain how their ideas will actually put people back to work and be done with it. And quit with the STUPID , " gotcha politics ", start acting "Presidential".
Mruseurhead
Do you really believe all that crap you wrote? voters need to pull their heads out and see that all obama and his crew are doing is stealling money from this country and trying to work the middle class harder so they can add 14 trillion more to our national debt, cut senior citizen pay checks, immobilize our military, and get into everybodies affairs and ignoring all the other important issues. I am so disappointed in wash. and really don't you think that we could cut their salaries and quit supporting them after they get out of office?
come on folks wake the hell up!!!!
Then VOTE Obama out on the "issues" that matter. Don't understand what you think of anything I wrote as "crap". I'm with you on the economic issues. I am a staunch fiscal conservative and believe Obama should be VOTED out of office based on his destruction of the economy. I could care less if he wants gays to marry or not, and I think it is pathetic that this is the ISSUE of the day. Lets talk about Iran, "fast and furious", and Solyndra....................not about gays or George Clooney.
drew-2920352
Yep, sort of like farting and telling everybody. You're not hiding anything but it still stinks.
Mruseurhead-
'I am a staunch fiscal conservative and believe obama should be VOTED out of office based on his destruction of the economy.'
Obama saved the auto industry and if he didn't then we would have seen the destruction of the economy. Or do you believe the crap Romney has been spewing that he saved the auto industry? Because of Obama, my husband and I still have our jobs - we were laid off for almost 3 months from our auto parts jobs until the bailout - and we are grateful that the destruction of the economy did not happen. Please explain to me why Obama is the cause of your destruction of the economy theory because we all know it's not true - the destruction of the economy started under the Bush administration. Please get your facts straight.
Obama said he is in favor of gay marriage. He also said it should be up to the states. He took his lessons from Lincoln who freed the slaves but only in the states in rebellion not in Mo or MD. The states he had no control of. American politics at its best.
Isn't it fun for you rabid Bush-butt-lickers to pretend Dumbya and the GOP didn't fatefully cause the recession and economic collapse? Isn't it fun to try and blame the guy who was handed the broom and asked to clean up the GOP's mess? What -- he isn't cleaning-up your catastrophe fast enough??
Romney? Really LOL
Given obama's gay past, he has been for gay marriage all along. He just didn't use it before this as he didn't need to. Now he does and he didn't have a choice because he would have waited until AFTER the election to tell the TRUTH about how he feels about gay marriage but token joey biden gave him NO CHOICE..... poor poor joe. He's got to be the MOST STUPID, IDIOTIC VP in the history of this country and with his boss being the WORST PRESIDENT in the history of this country, they fit well together....but not to worry, poor poor joe is being left out of campaign strategy meetings at the white house so he will not be on the ticket in november...... odumbo will put billary on with him even though his jungle wife doesn't want billary around......After all, it's all about money and power and the election and they will try anything to get re-elected. The best part is though that it won't work. It will be a MAJOR MAJOR LANDSLIDE for Romney or for anyone running against odumbo. This will make the landslide victory of Ronald Reagan look like a little soccer match score. odumbo can run all the way back to KENYA with his tail between his legs!!!!
That's because the right wing doesn't believe in evolution and therefore cannot evolve and must "flip flop". They would lose their base if they even hinted at evolving.
ohiofan = angry troll. LOL.
Does allowing Gay Marriage, mean allowing Gay Divorce?
Yes.
Yes Gays would then have the right to pay divorce lawyers, alimony and all the other rights we have in unsuccessful marriages. And since many states are tightening up their divorce laws there is also the sleazy PI that works for the divorce lawyer. Because many states are getting rid of no-fault divorce you have to go in and tell the judge what a rotten person you were living with for 10 years.
These lawyers are going to make a lot of money!!! First off I don't agree with gays marrying, dating, courting, etc. because really...c'mon really...that's just not normal and not right and not what God intended. Wake up America! What's next people marrying animals? Although I have read that this happened in India. Gross right! Both are gross to me. All I know is that if for some ungodly reason gays are allowed to get "married" then the U.S. is going to change for the worse.
Your problem would seem to be in trying to find balance in a self-made dilemma. Namely ... how can you be so visionary and so backwards at the same time?
You don't believe in gays having the same rights as straights? Where is the EQUALITY in that? And as for people marrying animals-- I hope that the animals don't learn to put their name on a marriage license. If that happens in your world, let me know.
Your belief in depriving gays of their right to happiness is your opinion. You know about opinions, don't you? Opinions are like @$$holes-- everyone has one.
Suzie. Marriage is not a right. It's the union between a man and woman. We are not discriminating against gays, or denying them any rights. They can live where they want, and with whom they want. They can attend any college they can get into. They can achieve any goal they set for themselves as far as their professional life takes them.
My question for all who are for same sex marriage. Let's just say for a moment the same sex marriage is allowed. What happens when the Muslims or the Mormons or other groups come forward and say that we are denying them rights by denying them multiple wives? If that's allowed then you can be assured the Feminists will be screaming looking for the same rights for women who want multiple husbands?
They are all consenting adults. Who has the right to say you can only marry ONE person at a time?
agape: your concern for animals is truly touching but you needn't worry. They can't give consent, so marriage isn't in the offing.
Janine: it isn't just "feminists" who would be a bit upset at state's overturning state laws against polygamy (there is no federal law against it that I know of). What in the world that has to do with gay marriage recognized as a civil union is beyond me...EVERY state defines what that civil union is...and remember at one time, many defined it as only being those from the same race.
Watch Barry evolve right before your eyes...It's a Miracle.
Who cares...he's already lost the election....
No. You lost your faith.
bfitz-you are wrong about so many things that it is comforting to see your election prediction. It virtually guarantees Romney's loss. I will say that you have taken clueless to a new level. You will probably be proud of that distinction.
bfitz: well at least you are consistent. Even evolution is a bad word to you.
Barry has already envolved into a total Idiot
How?
So the guy who can't spell "evolved" is calling someone an idiot?
The media is going to beat this like a dead horse and if this issue ever makes it to the Supreme Court, the Religious Right and the Far Right will stuff their pockets full of money to get what they want. The Supreme Court has been corrupted by big money interests just like the rest of our government. Democracy, Freedom and equal rights are no longer what this country is about.
The Supreme Courts rating shows more than 60% of Americans have a favorable view of the high court. This is far higher than any other brach of government. So your view of the being corrupt is just not supported by the majority of America. The Obama administration in far more corrupted by large money contributions from people like George Soros and the Hollywood left.
If this issue in which of the 38 states that have trditional marriage laws goes to the supreme court. This isn't the only state they just were more careful to close all loopholes. jpsholly you need to do your homework better.
RayW-this will change when the Ginny Thomas story gets more coverage. She has been paid thousands of $$$$(speech) to champion causes and groups who then have cases before the court. Her husband Clarence does not recuse himself and one vote is paid for and guaranteed. Clarence Thomas should be impeached and Ginny investigated for jury tampering.
Tea party is an Extremist Organization and me as a Republican dont like them at all. The tea party is going to make us an non existant party. Im a Reagan Republican
And how is this is relating to the subject of gay-marriage exactely?
Morman? LOL Morman? LOL
This makes no different in how I will vote that has been long determined before this latest gay marriage flap arose and is a non-issue with me, I say live and let live. You may sign me a happily married to a woman heterosexual male. My gay friends relationship(s) is their business and their's alone.
It will make no difference in virtually any vote. Those who think this is a big deal are already in Romney's camp having no other option but to stay home. (which I believe is why even Romney isn't talking about it).
FAMILY VALUES
"We've arrived at a point where the president of the United States is going
to lead a war on traditional marriage."
--Rush Limbaugh, Wednesday
"Rush Limbaugh's first, second, third nor fourth wife could be
reached for a comment."
--George Takei
Rush Limbaugh is a piece of s h i t, enough said-
in the literal sense, too.
I think more liberals listen to Rush than do conservatives and definitely more than independents. If all of you stopped listening to get your latest dirt his ratings would drop miserably. I only ever hear liberals quote Rush.
Entertainment value. Nothing like listening to a douche-bag who represents millions of other douche-bags.
Obama is only trying to get election money. He will say anything to get him elected again. The past 3.5 years he has done NOTHING. He has no record to run on. It's funny that in an election year he makes more empty promises just to put money in his pocket.
On another note... he has more czars than he does Inspector Generals. Some of which the IG positions have been open and unfilled for over 1000 days... some as early as his inauguration. These are president appointed positions and he has no excuse.
It's funny that democrats could not think of a more suitable replacement for him this year. A WV convict in jail received more than 40% of the vote in the primary there when pitted between him and Obama. HILARIOUS!
GET RID OF OBAMA!
Oh pleeeeeazzz! and romney won't?! Fool, you didn't hear mitt taking credit for Obama's saving the auto industry? Mitt's a liar, cheat and he used to bully kids in school. He's a mental defective. A spoiled little rich kid that never worked a day in his life. Useless in the real world. Put him on a construction site and he'd be lost. He couldn't do the job a janitor does without an adviser. Daddy gave him everything he's ever had and he hasn't done anything with that!
The only reason Mitt wants to be president is to pay the same 15% income tax for the rest of his life. Useless, helpless and conservative to boot. Might as well be dead.
hahah... that's what happens when you are successful at what you do. Sad to say your family can't hold on to those dreams. You're late for your shift holding the cardboard signs at the OWS rally.
"I make it more fashionable to resent success than to seek it." -Obama 2012
"I make it my business to be Dumbya Bush's personal butt-licker." -AZKing, yesterday
See. Anyone can quote anyone else...
AZKing: with the country divided on the issue of gay marriage, this doesn't buy Obama any votes or change any minds, regardless of what you wish were true. On the other hand, the overwhelming majority of those under 35 support gay rights. Now if you were someone who wanted to see the Republican Party survive and hold the presidency anytime in this century again, you might want to be rethinking this party plank among many, many others. (and enough with the made up quotes already...isn't there enough to occupy you in Arizona?)
Goldman Sachs
Seven-eleven
Frogmorton!
Jeez, I'm afraid! Letting gays marry might turn me gay.
Fear not, my fellow right wingers. You won't turn gay unless you are predisposed to. My god, you guys fear everything. Don't you?
If we were going to legislate who can and who can not marry, I would say no more right wingers can marry unless they are sterilized.
Perfect example of my post, #9.2, so tell me are you a third grader, or just post comments like one? Straight out of the liberal playbook(comic book), conservatives are, homophobic, bigots, God and guns. I am a conservative and I really don't give a crap what you do behind close doors, unless it hurts others. I come from a very "diverse"( inclusive of all race, religion) family and love every family member equally. Maybe it is you JC@FL, who should evolve, maybe at least to a human, or at east TRY.............
Mustard head, you are all of what has been written and more. barely literate too.
Ignore.............
Get Obama OUT of the white house.
Why should he?
So some P.O.S. Mormon can take over? No way! He doesn't believe in Jesus! What's with anyone like that? Really, how f-ed up can someone be to not believe in Jesus? Now that's ignorant as dirt. He might as well be a Muslim.
Jews don't believe in Jesus, Muslims don't believe in Jesus, Hindi's don't believe in Jesus, Buddhists don't believe in Jesus, Atheists don't believe in Jesus, Pagans don't believe in Jesus......
Actually all the above believe Jesus existed, just not the whole son o god thing
No they don't. That has never been proven, either. None of the contemporary writers or historians of that time ever wrote about him. Only the 4 in red are alleged to have written about him, and that comes from a cult book. There is no direct evidence of his actual existence. Nothing from his own hand... Just the cult story.
Cheers!
How effed up is it to worship a Jewish zombie? Now that's ignorant as dirt.
Your wrong Dmorgan:
Flavius Jocephus, Tacitus and Pliny the Younger all wrote about Jesus and his followers. Please don't be foolish and say Jesus never lived when that has never been an issue. The issue is whether or not he was the Son of God which my personal opinion is that he was.
When God first created man and woman, he also established marriage and the
family relationship on which every society is built through the ages. Genesis
2:18-25 provides the blueprint for a Biblical marriage relationship. It gives us
clear guidelines to have fulfilling marriage relationships as God originally
intended.
As I said earlier... GOD Is not mentioned anywhere in the United States Consitution, nor is marriage. Marriage is NOT word that is OWNED by the Christian religion. Period end of story. You can continue to worship whatever you choose, but it has NO place in our secular laws.
Ivans Word,
To be fair the Roman historians were not witnesses and only one of them really tried to describe Jesus himself the rest were more descriptions of the Early Church. Still significant in a historical sense though. Also even though I'm agnostic I do think Jesus was a historical person. However, it would be dishonest to act as if questioning that was somehow beyond the bounds of reason.
As to Genesis and its a description of what a Godly marriage should be, I respect your beliefs however those beliefs are irrelevant in terms of US legislation.
Finally as an aside I'm developing a pet peeve with right wing Christians who want to quote the Old Testament for the purpose of bolstering their arguments against equal liberties for homosexuals. Yet when that the same Old Testament is used for examples of other equally condemned activities then suddenly we hear "The Old Testament doesn't apply anymore!" It can't be both ways. Either the Old Testament sword cuts both ways or it doesn't cut at all.
As a Hispanic who is: a conservative, a bisexual and a christian. I cant help but wonder why this is an issue now? Besides the fact that Biden put him (the president) in that spot. Last time I checked being married to my boyfriend doesnt mean I have a job, I am still jobless. Last time I checked being in love doesnt pay the bills. Last time I checked being able to get married didnt result in a reduction of the unemployment or the debt that will be saddling the future generations.
I think it is a distraction from the real issues that are harming this nation. If I were the president I would focus on the real issues and leave the emotional issues on the sidelines until the other problems are under control.
THANK YOU!!!!! You have my vote!!!
@TexasFighterGirl. Woot, one vote down a bunch more to go!! Hehehehehehehehe
newHounder - odumbo cannot focus on the issues. He has NO RECORD to run on and that's why all the DISTRACTIONS! What is he going to tell you that he did right? NOTHING. NOTHING at all! No record to talk about, no accomplishments to brag about, NOTHING.
ohiofan - Obama has a great record to run on and more if will surface this year. You want to talk about distractions, .. let's see EVERY SINGLE GOP candidate running for President this year included anti gay marriage on their platforms, BEFORE President Obama made this announcement. Yeah, lets talk a smoke screen, go right to the GOP FIRST.
OhioFan? UK crushes them everytime.
Well, now, that's an oxymoron! A conservative AND a bisexual AND a christian? Don't you read your own Bible? According to you all, homosexuality is a perversion, and to be a "bisexual" means you are a "part-time" homosexual. So by you all's own definition, you CAN'T be all of those three things at once. Sorry!
@Nina-TX: sorry you cant process something like this. It must be tough for you to figure out how i am: a conservative, bisexual and a christian. News flash there are gay and bisexual people who believe in christianity, also there are gay and bisexual people who are conservatives. I am what I am, why should I explain something this simple to you.
Shouldn't you be more accepting of others?
newhounder: Ok, I know it's not your point, but wait a minute. You are a "conservative" Christian bisexual???
I do agree this issue will have no impact on the election. Obama wins anyway.
The president's position on this issue is bold and the right one, regardless of the political consequences. The issue will evolve to where it will be easier for other national politicos to adopt a similar public stance in the future.
Bottom line: The majority should never be able to decide the civil rights and liberties of all citizens. And when U.S. military forces defend and fight for the rights and liberties of citizens, they do so for all citizens, not a select group or majority.
We live in a republic. This seems to be lost on many individuals. You are free to do what you want. If you are gay and want to marry move to a State that allows it. If you do not approve of gay marriage move to a State that does not allow it. WHY must the Country all be the same? This was the whole point of limited Federal government and the 18 enumerated powers. We are a County of over 300 million. It is difficult to get 10 people to agree on the correct time of day, much less gay marriage.
...because on the issue of civil rights especially...we all lose if we have a patchwork where some individuals are less than other individuals. It didn't work for state laws prohibiting the races from marrying each other and it won't work here. People need to be free to move from state to state without losing something as fundamental as their marriage status. There are people today who don't agree equal rights apply to all regardless of skin color or gender, but we don't cater to them in the name of "allowing disagreement".
It's not clear what his highly paid advisors were thinking, but this definitely reduced Obummer's chances of re-election. Indeed, Mutt just gained a significant foothold. This is a visceral issue that's not likely to push fence-sitters over into Obummer's backyard.
There are already estimates of over 20 million votes gained
The question:
Are those 20 million votes going to be in states that might otherwise have ended up Republican? I'm not sure, doesn't do ya much good to earn more votes in states that likely would have gone your way anyways.
Don't count on it. If you think people are really that stupid, never mind, they are that stupid! Romeny will f ck this country to tears. He's already claiming credit for Obama's saving the auto industry. How's that gonna work when he's president and he can't steal anyone else ideas?
Mitt Romney, liar, cheat and bully.
Vegains you need to get a clue! Obama has done nothing but put us in debt, drag out this recession and pass a health care law that will end up killing many Americans.
Romney is business smart, a great family man and has values. He knows when to be tough and strong decsions, Obama clearly does not, look at his laime record.
so exactly when is Romney tough? Oh yeah when he buys up a company and fires everyone
Lori, those people were going to lose their jobs anyway. Romney actually allowed them to work longer than they would of without his involvement.
Hey Vagains.....................Everyone needs to remember the bad situation we were in....AIG....now we have regulation! Mr Obama and Hillery haver really made a difference. i say...Let them...keep going. This was a bad situation...NO ONE WANTED. Obama is good....he gets the job done...and ...then maybe...tells us. NO brag...Just Fact!
And...Patriot Chic.......I can't belive you are so stupid...you think gay people are Perverts!... Hey Dum dum...what if you...or one of your family members....got some ...mixed up genes! Are you lucky?
Prune, there is nothing wrong with my gene pool, but you obviously have way too much chlorine in yours!
BO1925,
gained20 mil?...Hmmm what do you think those Catholic lationos votes did ..plumited 40 mill he just pissed on there work boots.I support you and you and you and you....Uh and you too! more money more money and I support you!
Who cares who gets married? If someone feels the need to be miserable go right ahead. There are far more important issues on the table than this
Probably right, with half ending in divorce I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.
Marrage doesn't have to be miserable. Look at all the faithful people who have been together without the benifit of a signed contract. Like marrage just no paper work.
dawna: that "paper work" has legal status that you don't seem to understand. That's what this is about. The commitment (or lack of it) is already there. This is about what is recognized legally because of that commitment.
Hahahahahahaha,,,Yea, Right, LOL
John Travolta tried to grab my penis