RNC: We've only just begun to fight for Latino voters

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Thousands of demonstrators march during a May Day immigration rally in this file photo from Los Angeles, California.

With polling showing Mitt Romney getting crushed by President Obama among Latino voters, the presumptive GOP nominee admitted to donors last month that the data "spells doom for us” if the party cannot find ways to reach out to the crucial voting block.

But with the election just six months away, the Republican National Committee’s Hispanic Outreach Director Bettina Inclan told reporters at a briefing Tuesday that the RNC has just begun its effort to find and persuade Latinos to vote for Romney and the rest of the Republican ticket in six crucial states.

Inclan introduced Latino outreach directors for Colorado, Florida, Nevada, New Mexico, Virginia and North Carolina – all battleground states that Obama carried in 2008, with the help of Latino voters.

Analysis of exit poll data from 2008 indicated that without Latino support for Obama, New Mexico and Indiana would have switched into Republican John McCain’s column. But even without those two states, Obama would have still won enough electoral votes to win the White House.

But if Latino voting this November even partly reflects the increase in Latino population in states such as Colorado, North Carolina, and Virginia, then it could be decisive.

Related: RNC official says Romney 'still deciding' on immigration

Inclan said the RNC’s state-specific targeting of Latino voters and potential voters is “unlike anything we’ve done in the past …. Anyone who says we have one plan for all Hispanics doesn’t get the Hispanic community” because Hispanics in Florida differ from Hispanics in Nevada and even within Florida, for example, Hispanics in Miami will differ from those in Orlando. The RNC’s message will be bilingual and tailored to reach specific groups within each state.

When a reporter asked why Arizona, with its large Latino population, wasn’t on the GOP target list Inclan said, “All of our numbers show that it is going to be a Republican state. It’s not one of the battleground states.”

Inclan said “we need to rebuild some of these relationships” with Latino voters. “We need to do better with the Hispanic community because we haven’t done enough to reach out to them, we haven’t done enough to go to Spanish media and talk about issues that impact the Hispanic voter …. We’re not having enough of a conversation on the issues.”

She said the RNC has “a lot of specific data” on “who we have to reach out to” – but she was unwilling to give reporters any specifics about the RNC’s voter targeting strategy or its benchmarks for success in the six battleground states where the outreach directors will be working.

Will it be possible, for example, for Romney to do in New Mexico this November what President George W. Bush did in 2004 – winning the state by about 6,000 votes?

“I can’t give you our entire strategy, but clearly what we’re trying to get is a lot these swing voters, a lot of people who are disappointed with President Obama and trying to bring them over to the Republican Party,” Inclan said.

Stanford University political scientist Gary Segura, who is a principal in the polling firm Latino Decisions, said the RNC faces an exceedingly difficult challenge.

If the RNC tries to find hidden or potential Republican Latinos to register and mobilize, that’s not likely to work, he said. “I don't think there is much in the way of ‘latent’ GOP support that has yet to be tapped,” he said. “Latino Republicans are so exceptional--that is, uncommon--that they are effectively all registered. Those who aren't are demobilized by cross-pressures of ideology and social identity.  That problem would have gotten worse, not better, in the last several months.”

Segura said if he were a GOP consultant trying to figure out how to find Latino Republican votes, he would take the 2008 vote percentage of the Latino vote in each precinct, compare it to 2004, and look at places where the precinct was more Republican in 2004 than in 2008, holding the Latino share of the vote constant. “If were them, I would be looking at counties where estimated performance among Latinos got measurably worse from ‘04 to ‘08 and see if you could switch those back.”

But he said the electorate in a state such as New Mexico has changed since 2004 when Bush won. “Eight years is a ton of time in a population whose median age is 27 so there’s a lot of new voters in the system.” He cited one recent estimate that 50,000 Latino citizens turn age 18 every month.

Although much focus has been on illegal immigration and efforts such as Arizona’s S.B. 1070 law to deter it, Inclan said the economy and unemployment will trump the issue of immigration.

“Hispanics are so disappointed with this president. A big reason they are disappointed is how things are going: when Hispanic unemployment is so high, when so many kids living in poverty are Hispanics, the numbers speak for themselves. That’s what’s going to get people riled up.”

But she did slam Obama on immigration, saying Latinos were “incredibly disappointed” with his immigration policy and his failure to persuade Congress to enact immigration reform.

“He talked about uniting families and all he’s done is deport more immigrants than any president in American history,” she said. “It’s another example of how he’s failed the Hispanic community.” Her message on that point seemed to clash with the views of conservative Republicans in Congress who say that immigration laws ought to enforced and those here illegally ought to be deported.

Many Latinos, Inclan said, see Obama as “another politician that promises the world as a candidate and now he becomes president and doesn’t feel the need to make the issues that he promised Hispanics a priority.”

Inclan blundered when she said, of Romney, “My understanding is that he’s still deciding what his stand on immigration is, so I can’t talk about what his proposals are going to be,” a comment she later said on Twitter was a misstatement.

And Inclan pushed back at reporters who focused on immigration during the briefing, arguing that “people continue to pretend that the only thing that Hispanics care about is immigration. Most Hispanics were born here in this country. We are American citizens. While immigration is an important issue, we are American citizens, so to assume the only thing we care about is immigration is false” and “almost insulting.”

Romney said at a Florida fundraising event last month that his party must offer a "Republican DREAM Act," and his potential running mate Sen. Marco Rubio is in the process of drafting such a bill to allow younger illegal immigrants brought to America by their parents to get non-immigrant visas and continue to work and study in the United States.

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So Republicans intend to go from "self deportation" to "all illegal aliens welcome"?

Geez, could Republicans be any more superficial?

Obama/Biden 2012

  • 68 votes
#1 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:02 PM EDT

That is a big flip-flop even for the GOP

  • 49 votes
#1.1 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:11 PM EDT

Republicans cannot come up with any genuine support for anything other than deportation of Latinos.

  • 40 votes
#1.2 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:24 PM EDT

Maybe Senor Bishop Willard ( I flip flop even on my name) Romney needs to go and claim is Mexican citizenship since he can become one very easily. That should help him out a lot.

  • 20 votes
#1.4 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:34 PM EDT

sadly (also scary) people actually believe the GOP

  • 36 votes
#1.5 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

That scares me even more RTY what else can the GOP get away with and people follow them like lemmings

  • 22 votes
#1.7 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:41 PM EDT

Since RweThereyet?'s comments can't stand on their own merit, she has to put all of them in bold. Typical teabagger.

  • 20 votes
#1.8 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:45 PM EDT

I think the mainstream Republican leadership view of Latinos was summed up pretty well last year when Newt Gingrich described Spanish as the "language of the Ghetto." Further, Speaker Boehner has told Marco Rubio that any effort to develop a Republican version of the DREAM Act would never get passed in the House. If Rubio is still "working on it," it is only for show during the election period - not a serious piece of legislation.

  • 33 votes
#1.9 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:02 PM EDT

It's a sad day when Republicans start engaging in the type of racial pandering that Democrats depend on.

Obama using health care law to court Latinos

"Bucking conventional wisdom that Obamacare is a political liability in November, President Barack Obama's re-election campaign on Tuesday unveiled three new ads targeting Latino voters..."

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-using-health-care-law-court-latinos-170534946.html

  • 7 votes
#1.10 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:04 PM EDT

The GOP will sow the seeds of discontent and look to the Cubans (get to dry land and you are in) and Puerto Ricans (US common wealth, so they are in) Hispanic blocks for votes. Those are the two Hispanic group, who are does not have issues with gaining residential/citizenship status in the United States. The only problem is that those main groups are concentrated in states that are either firmly Democratic or already firmly Republican, so that's a wash. With how the GOP has treatedthe other Hispanic groups, the Democrats would have to screw up royally for the GOP to gain any traction, so the numbers will be what they are with little swings unless there is a campaign implosion from the Democrats.

  • 12 votes
#1.11 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:13 PM EDT

Does this mean that they will be revoking anti-immigration laws in AZ and Alabama?

Sure NOW they want the Latino vote. Then on November 7th, they'll be screaming about anchor babies and calling for more "Papers Please".

  • 25 votes
#1.12 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

Republicans have spent the last 4 years badmouthing Hispanics and doing everything they could to drive them out of the party Now they think they will vote Republican?? Do you republicans honestly Hispanics are that stupid??

  • 27 votes
#1.13 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:28 PM EDT
Comment author avatarsonmanvbExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

sadly (also scary) people actually believe the GOP

TRUST BUT VERIFY. Something libtards no nothing about.

  • 4 votes
#1.14 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:30 PM EDT

Do they really think that the Latino community is that naive? The republicants don't care about the Latino population, all they want is their votes, the GOP will say one thing to get anyones vote, but they really only care about the 1 percent. Take Arizona for example, does anyone really think they have the well being of their Latino population at heart with all the anti immigration legislation? Oh, and what about all the laws the republicans are proposing to suppress the lower income voters? If anyone besides the wealthy 1 percent believe that the republicans are looking out for their well being then I have a bridge in Alaska I would like to sell them!

  • 21 votes
#1.15 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:40 PM EDT

MCA, the Democrats want those immigrant votes,too, and they are selling out the American working class in order to get them. At least the Republicans never claimed to be any great friends of the American workers.

  • 2 votes
#1.16 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:05 PM EDT

Latino's who have the right to vote are not illegal immigrants. That said I think the Arizona immigration law impacts all people who look Latino.

I am glad to see that the GOP has started to realize that they can not alienate the entire population an still win an election.

  • 6 votes
#1.17 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:11 PM EDT

Sure.

And I bet he republicans would love to hunt them from helicopters too.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

  • 17 votes
#1.18 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:16 PM EDT

RNC: We've only just begun to fight for Latino voters

Now THAT's an understatement! But they are correct... they just began.

  • 12 votes
#1.19 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:21 PM EDT

Nobody likes Romney. He needs to go away already, he has WAY too much money to spend. The RNC needs to accept the fact that Ron Paul and his message are here to stay... that is the future of the GOP.

And Obama he had his chance... I CAN'T BELIEVE HE SIGNED THE PATRIOT ACT JUST LIKE BUSH!

Time for some real change, vote Ron Paul.

  • 5 votes
#1.20 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:25 PM EDT

MCA, the Democrats want those immigrant votes,too, and they are selling out the American working class in order to get them.

President Obama has deported more illegals in 3 years than Bush did in 8 years. What Republicans want is for Hispanic to come to the US, work their tails off for nothing, then shut up and disappear.

  • 5 votes
#1.21 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:43 PM EDT

Republican's are not mean-mouthing latinoes specifically. They are only upset of Illegal aliens which happens to be mostly latino.

What the Democrats are doing is saying if you want benefits you haven't earned, vote for us.

  • 5 votes
#1.22 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:52 PM EDT

When a reporter asked why Arizona, with its large Latino population, wasn’t on the GOP target list Inclan said, “Because we're counting on Mormons there."

Seriously folks, the GOP/TP plan is to target individual pockets with the Politics of Projection, and tell Latinos they are living in the shadows because of the president's policies, that the president is attacking the Catholic Church and will implement forced abortions like in China, and well you know the playbook...

  • 8 votes
#1.23 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:59 PM EDT

Romney can say it's all about the economy,stupido all he wants, but people vote for the person whose party respects them and treats them with dignity.

Romney calls for self -deportation and advocates for repressive immigration laws that are meant to target Latinos. He backs Ryan's budget that targets middle class and the poor - most often recent immigrants.

Newt calls Spanish the language of the ghetto.

Santorum patronizingly tells Puerto Rico that they must teach English in their schools if they want to join the Union.(arrogantly not realizing they already do!)

And Republicans think this type of message shows respect and dignity to Latinos???

  • 11 votes
#1.24 - Tue May 8, 2012 7:27 PM EDT

takingthemiddleground:

I am glad to see that the GOP has started to realize that they can not alienate the entire population an still win an election.

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I beg to differ: they actually alienate Latinos and other minorities because they have no use for them. It seems to be a 'Leap Year' cycle: for three years they are like this - but on every FOURTH year they suddenly realise that minorities exist and they make these kind of proclamations ['we've only just begun to fight for Latino voter']. Which begs the questions: 'Where in the bloody hellfire have you been? You're just "starting" NOW?'

It's confounding; I wonder if anyone has funded any studies - or completed any disertations - about WHAT it is that makes Repubs suddenly realise that 'minorities' are actually 'people' every four years, before lapsing back into ignorant bliss? I'll wager that it has something to do with 'climate change'.....

  • 4 votes
#1.25 - Tue May 8, 2012 7:34 PM EDT

Republicans just now are starting to court Latinos! It's pretty clear that the GOP only wants the Latino vote, and will do nothing for this group (and others) once the election is over. If the Republicans actually intended to listen to and work with Latino voters, they would have been doing it long ago. Their timing tells us all we need to know.

It is ironic that Obama is doing more to deport illegals than Bush did, yet the GOP is complaining that he's ignoring the "illegal problem". And at the same time the Republicans are telling us that Obama is anti-Latino because he is deporting the same illegals that the Republicans want to deport. What is Republican logic anyway?

  • 4 votes
#1.26 - Tue May 8, 2012 8:11 PM EDT

There are only two reasons that republicans are courting latino voters. Cheap labor and votes.

  • 9 votes
#1.27 - Tue May 8, 2012 9:15 PM EDT

@jak-3696747 - I bet Latinos are going to be simply thrilled by the Republican attention.

Republicans may simply be trying to collect Hispanic names - to encourage self deportation.

  • 2 votes
#1.28 - Tue May 8, 2012 9:41 PM EDT

AlexTheBlade

It's confounding; I wonder if anyone has funded any studies - or completed any disertations - about WHAT it is that makes Repubs suddenly realise that 'minorities' are actually 'people' every four years, before lapsing back into ignorant bliss? I'll wager that it has something to do with 'climate change'

I am sure both the Democrats and the Republicans have pollsters working on their campaign teams. The problem with your statement is that you said 'minorities'. If you add women and Latino together it is no longer a minority it is a majority vote. I think the pollsters need a stronger education in math.

    #1.29 - Tue May 8, 2012 9:42 PM EDT

    Derek,

    And Obama he had his chance... I CAN'T BELIEVE HE SIGNED THE PATRIOT ACT JUST LIKE BUSH!

    I can't believe President Obama signed the Patriot act either. We are loosing jobs because of the Patriot Act. However, I do not agree with Ron Paul's immigration stance that birth right citizenship should be removed. Unless you are a Native American Indian, then someone in your family tree received their citizenship through the birth right citizenship.

    • 1 vote
    #1.30 - Tue May 8, 2012 9:50 PM EDT

    Maybe Romney better focus more on trying to get a real win somewhere.

    So far we have had 11 state conventions and he lost them all to Ron Paul with more to come.

    RNC Rule 38 makes all his primary bound delegates the media claims as bound,,, unbound, and they aint voting Romney either. He's going from first to last in a big hurry now that the states are officially being counted. Media cant hide it for much longer... Bye bye Romney.. You were never constitutionally eligible under article 2 to be running for President in the first place anyways..

    This election is just getting started. Tampa or Bust RP2012

    • 2 votes
    #1.31 - Tue May 8, 2012 10:42 PM EDT

    Takingmiddleground:

    I'm certain they both have pollsters as well.... I was being facetious. By 'other minorities' I was including the black vote as well, which are ignored until the fourth year kicks in. As far as women..... I'm unaware that women were included in 'minorities' unless you're talking about glass ceilings. As of 2011 there are more women in the USA than men.... that isn't a minority.

      #1.32 - Wed May 9, 2012 1:49 AM EDT

      the data "spells doom for us” if the party cannot find ways to reach out to the crucial voting block.

      The repubs are going to have a hard time getting any latino to accept their bloody hand reaching out to them after all the damage already done. Arizona, Alabama, and, oh yeah, think they've forgotten about Cain and his electric fence? The list could go on and on. Plus there are a lot of latinos who read these blogs and they can tell that most of the vitriolic hatred written here against latinos comes from the republican tea party right.

      Good luck with your "reaching out".

      • 1 vote
      #1.33 - Wed May 9, 2012 7:03 AM EDT

      "Republican's are not mean-mouthing latinoes specifically"

      Right!!! And Elvis isn't dead either.

      • 2 votes
      #1.34 - Wed May 9, 2012 7:21 AM EDT

      The NRC is finish, the tea baggers destroyed the GOP. PS - Latino voters will not vote for the party that got us into this mess, Thanks "W" !!!

      • 5 votes
      #1.35 - Wed May 9, 2012 8:28 AM EDT

      Can Republicans devise any slick slogans to convince Latinos that their party is sensitive to the issues that Latinos care about?

      To significantly garner the Latino vote, the GOP has to perform a 180 degree political reversal of the party's past 3 year political platform. On this matter, the party of the 1% has quite a bit of "backpedaling" to do.

      However, Romney is the Republican's presidential candidate.

      He is a master of flip flop, double talk, change the game and outright lies.

      ...the GOP has the best man to "hoodwink" the populace, after all.

      • 1 vote
      #1.36 - Wed May 9, 2012 9:06 AM EDT

      So, they have just begun to fight for latino votes. How are they going to do that, exactly? Which drug are they going to introduce into the water to cause everyone in the latino (and female, for that matter) community to forget their record over the last 12 years? Maybe they think that latinos are just that stupid. Here in New Mexico, where I, a pasty white guy am in the minority, know an awful lot of latinos that are smarter then the whole line up that the GOP put forth to run the country.

      They are simply victims of their own stereotyping.

      Now that the GOP has just begun to fight for the latino vote, they may as well just end the fight for the latino vote, because, like the women in this country, they have working memories.

      • 2 votes
      #1.37 - Wed May 9, 2012 9:38 AM EDT

      Walker,

      Maybe since Romney has Mormon family in Mexico, he can promise all the Mexican men the right to have as many wives as they want. As if many of them don't already, haha. Might not get many female latinas to vote for him though.

        #1.38 - Wed May 9, 2012 9:45 AM EDT

        The Latino voter is going to take a page from the GOP Grover Norquest approach, any latino know to have voted for Romney will have to give up his Latino roots. Say no to Republicans if we can't thrust what they say you can't thrust who's saying it. The Mexican American is different the Super Marco's the P.R. issues. An no you cant use a divided and conquer technique. We believe Obama will make THE SAME offer as the Republicans and we believe he's a better man.

        • 2 votes
        #1.39 - Wed May 9, 2012 9:55 AM EDT

        "We've only just begun to fight for Latino voters"

        That says it all...doesn't it. I hear they've recently discovered the internets, too, so they're really moving into the 90's quickly, now that they realize they have to.

        • 2 votes
        #1.40 - Wed May 9, 2012 11:12 AM EDT

        As destructive as Bush was...he, at least, was smart and thoughtful when it came to the Latino populace. I can give that to him.

          #1.41 - Wed May 9, 2012 1:10 PM EDT

          Amazing. Republicans attack Hispanic voters for the last three years, enacting Arizona's "show me your papers" law which Romney called a model for the country, and now they want them to vote for Romney. GOP insanity never ends.

          • 3 votes
          #1.42 - Wed May 9, 2012 1:20 PM EDT

          "We've only just begun to fight for Latino voters"

          Gonna be an uphill battle...

          • 2 votes
          #1.43 - Wed May 9, 2012 3:11 PM EDT

          VOTE FOR YOUR AMIGO WILLARD

          & he'll give you a

          FREE RIDE ON THE ROOF OF HIS CAR

          he will be FOR YOU until he is elected

          then

          He will be hunting you down like dogs in the desert

          • 3 votes
          #1.44 - Wed May 9, 2012 9:46 PM EDT
          Reply

          Good luck, GOP. Are you changing your policy regarding the American Dream Act? About racial profiling? About supporting bigotry in all its horrid forms? Thought not.

          • 31 votes
          #2 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:08 PM EDT

          TO: weemee who wrote:

          "...GOP...Are you changing your policy regarding the American Dream Act? About racial profiling? About supporting bigotry in all its horrid forms?. Thought not."

          Of course not! Republicans have top notch lawyers in the Supreme Court right now fighting for immediate deportation of Latinos in Arizona.

          Just a month or so ago, ALL Republicans came out praising the Arizona Governor, Jan Brewer, for getting in President Obama's face, wagging her finger at him, and DEMANDING more Arizona State Rights to immediately deport Latinos who aren't carrying the proper paperwork, and Republicans LOVED IT!

          Obama / Biden 2012

          • 25 votes
          #2.1 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:17 PM EDT
          Comment author avatarAlexM-3929653Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          I hate to say it, but you're not an 'American Girl'. You're a poor lemming for the libs. It's ironic that you're laughing at the right for pandering when it's obvious that's all the left has done for years to all minorities. Libs see a minority, all they see is a vote. The left is the most racist party around, and they are the reason there is still much racism in this country.

          Pull off the knee pads, pull your head out of the sand, and see both parties for what they actually are (not just one). It's actually quite refreshing to be able to make up your own mind instead of just parroting what some ass politician says that honestly doesn't give a crap about you.

          Another thing you might want to check is a high number of registered democrat voters are against illegal immigration and are against amnesty also. The only democrats that truely want amensty are either the politicians (for votes), or the minorities (for the free welfare/healthcare).

          • 5 votes
          #2.2 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:25 PM EDT

          Hey Alex, you must not come on here often. Your right wing friends are quick to use the n word as well as other words to attack someones opinion. But just like you saying she not an American Girl. Do you know her? Have to seen her in person? Have you looked at her birth certificate? The answer to those questions are NO. But you says she is not an American. Why because she does not follow your twisted thinking? Man will the right wing lemmings stop at nothing?

          • 13 votes
          #2.3 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:01 PM EDT

          @ret_msgt

          I'm an independent, so I don't have these 'right wing' friends that you speak of. Maybe you didn't pick the jist of my post where I said to see the reality of BOTH parties. I personally don't condone the use of racial slander either.

          As far as my 'twisted thinking', my twisted thinking tells me that both parties of politicians are feeding the public a line, lying to get us to vote for them where they will then turn on us.

          Personally my plan is to vote for Romney, not because of his party, but because he isn't Obama, and I only have two choices. I did vote for Obama in 2008 because I was tired of the political pandering, the lies, the deceit, and just plain getting screwed. Obama gave us change just like he promised, but it is worse.

          His administration has given more power to that office than was ever allowed through our Constitution.

          He has stoked the racial fires more than any president in decades.

          He has installed czars that answer to no one but him, shoving both the Constitution and Congress aside.

          He is cutting our military while shoving more people on entitlement programs.

          The list can go on and an.

          I don't agree with Romney on alot of his points, but, like a friend told me, he's a 40% president. He's 40% better than what we have.

          So... there's my polite response to you.

          If you don't like that one, then I have a few others :)

          Cheers!

          • 4 votes
          #2.4 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:23 PM EDT

          Alex, you're just perpetuating the problem by "voting the lesser of two evils". Romney is Obama lite. Ron Paul is still in the GOP primary race and actually brings something new to the table.

          I'd rather cast my vote for a candidate that doesn't make me sick than cast a vote to the "lesser evil".

          Vote Ron Paul 2012

          • 3 votes
          #2.5 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:31 PM EDT

          Derek: Unless Ron Paul leaves the Republican Party and goes independent, he will not be the Republican nominee. The reasons he is still staying in the Republican race are because (1) he thinks he may be able to influence the party platform at the convention and (2) he is still a Republican. He will not infuence any change in Republican foreign policy, which is more aggressive than Obama's, they would never accept a change in DOMA, and the Republicans would never consider lightening up on the federal drug laws. So what do you have left? Only some Ron Paul economic policies that are basically unrealistic even to the most conservative Republicans.

          • 4 votes
          #2.6 - Tue May 8, 2012 7:02 PM EDT

          Alex I agree that President Obama has pushed the limits of his office. However, what was he to do when the republicans voted no on everything even their own ideas. This current Republican leadership only wanted to make him a one term president. They have shown time and time again that making the American people suffer is the way they are trying to do this. Instead of showing leadership in building better future they have shown they will stoop to the lowest level to make President Obama fail.

          There in no way in hell that I am going to vote for Romney. He has flip flopped on more issues than I dare mention. Maybe if the republicans try and work with the president things would be better. And don't give me they have. The only thing they have told the president is it's our way or no way.

          • 8 votes
          #2.7 - Tue May 8, 2012 7:33 PM EDT

          TO: AlexM-3929653 who wrote:

          "I hate to say it, but you're not an 'American Girl'..."

          Of course I am, and I'm an "Obama Girl" too!

          America is a WHOLE lot bigger than just the Republican Party.

          Obama/Biden 2012

          • 12 votes
          #2.8 - Tue May 8, 2012 7:36 PM EDT

          AlexM-3929653

          Just because you are an independant (like me) doesn't mean that you should be acting like a D__k on these boards.

          You may not like what American Girl has to say: but you DON'T come on here and tell any girl to 'pull off her kneepads' - and the other rude and utterly USELESS (and entirely-meant-to-be-purposefully-inflamtory as well as belittling) crap along with your veiwpont.

          I EXPECT YOU TO AT LEAST BE AN GENTLEMEN: THERE IS NO PLACE ON THESE BOARDS FOR OUTRIGHT BULLIES.

          Independents like you give everyone a bad name.

          • 10 votes
          #2.9 - Tue May 8, 2012 7:40 PM EDT

          AlexTheBlade,

          I honestly don't really care what some anon person thinks of me, in fact I really don't care what people I know think of me <shrug>. I work 10 hours a day, pay my taxes, support my family and try to raise my kids to do the same. My political beliefs are just as strong as anyone elses. I believe strongly in what our founding fathers had in mind for our country, I believe strongly in our Constitution and enforcing our laws. I strongly am anti-illegal immigration, I'm strongly anti-the-entitlement mentality (not anti-welfare, it has it's place). I'm strongly anti-DOE, strongly anti-racist, strongly anti-EPA (in it's current power hungry form).

          If I come to these boards and am a dick, it's becuase I come here (trolling 99% of the time) and read the ignorant speil of people that really don't have a clue past what the liberal MSM or lying Fox tell them. It's because I come here seeing people (such as American Girl) that are voters that are applying their vote based on lies, lies that they completely accept as the complete and utter truth. That is sickening, because these voters from both parties aren't placing votes based on the true facts, just the facts they've been spoon fed. You can look at both sides, rabid democrats for Obama, and rabid repubs for Romney.

          Yea, I said I would vote for Romney, I don't believe everything he says, he's a politician. But I despise what Obama has done (even though I voted for him), and I don't support Ron Paul. Call Romney Obama-lite, at least it's less of Obama, because Obama WILL destroy this country. Repubs aren't great, no, but at least they aren't doing the major power grabs that Obama is, and at least they aren't shredding the Constitution to extent that Obama does.

          Ret_Msgt,

          You can say the repubs in Congress say it's my way or the highway. Obama and the democrats are doing the same thing. Take this student loan fiasco going on. Repubs want to hit a slush fund in Obama care for the money. Democrats want to hit private companies for more taxes. How can democrats say they are pro-jobs when they want to raise the taxes on the companies that the country depends on to hire more people? But that's beside the point. Obama said to get this past and don't let politics get in the way, then he tells the repubs he's going to veto their bill if it gets to him. Now... is it just the repubs not working across the aisle? Or is it both parties AND the president not working together. Congress is useless right now, and has been.

          Sorry for the wall. Yea, I can be a dick, was a rough day at work when I posted. This is America, so sue me :)

          • 2 votes
          #2.10 - Tue May 8, 2012 9:30 PM EDT

          AlexM-2364525

          FIRST: I CAN APPRECIATE OTHERS' POINTS OF VEIW. BUT: I couldn't give a bloody hell how long you work or that you don't evade your taxes. There is something fundamentally STUPID, POINTLESS AND DUFF that you come up with these lame excuses to "troll" here just to be an SOB to the younger set.

          YOU DON'T have to be an SOB - I'm not listening to your post - NOT because of your points of veiw - but because of the WAY YOU ACT AND WHAT YOU SAY.

          I'M CALLING YOU OUT.

          -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

          AlexM-2364525 REPORT ABUSE.

          • 3 votes
          #2.11 - Wed May 9, 2012 1:57 AM EDT

          His administration has given more power to that office than was ever allowed through our Constitution.

          No -- Bush increased the power of the federal government more than any president over the last 60 years.

          He has stoked the racial fires more than any president in decades.

          Total, complete BS. It's been right wing teatards playing the race card.

          He has installed czars that answer to no one but him, shoving both the Constitution and Congress aside.

          Another bunch of BS. The term "Czar" is from the Bush administration and Fox has made any appointee a "Czar" to fan fear.

          He is cutting our military while shoving more people on entitlement programs.

          Another uninformed statement. He can't cut military spending. Only congress can do that.

          Alex -- you don't know what you're talking about.

          • 4 votes
          #2.12 - Wed May 9, 2012 7:26 AM EDT

          Just because you are an independant (like me) doesn't mean that you should be acting like a D__k on these boards.

          Alex -- you're NOT an independent. You're an uninformed tea bagger whether you admit it or not.

          • 3 votes
          #2.13 - Wed May 9, 2012 7:28 AM EDT

          lol, you're calling me out? What is it... six guns at dawn? But, I guess it's ok for you to do to me what you say it isn't ok for me to do to others... Oh, and those caps really help... grow up.

          Charlie,

          You're uninformed. As far as the racial tensions, Obama and Holder are pushing those big time. The trayvon situation is a fine example of that. But I guess since you only read MSM you wouldn't see that.

          But I'm glad that you can tell me what my politicial affilitations are since you know me so well. My mistake! Btw, do you know what a tea bagger actually is? (Hint: it has nothing to do with politics). I guess return play is fair, so I'll have to say you aren't an independent, you're a lib.

          Ignorance is bliss!

          I do find it ironic. I post a rant, you guys insult me. I post my honest thoughts in a polite manner, you insult me. True libs to the bone. There really is no pleasing you guys.

            #2.14 - Wed May 9, 2012 8:24 AM EDT

            I agree with American Girl, Romney would be the rubber stamp for Latino deportation !

            • 2 votes
            #2.15 - Wed May 9, 2012 8:42 AM EDT

            Another one liner from you ? The issue is complex ... way over the head of a one-liner.

            • 1 vote
            #2.16 - Wed May 9, 2012 9:45 AM EDT

            All I want is ALL ILLEGALS out of this country! NO birthright citizenship unless one or both parents are a LEGAL citizen! Why do you think they pump out so many kids once over the border?? That's what separates families! Ones a instant citizen, the other (parents) are illegally here! If the illegal has a kid here, that kid should ALSO be considered an illegal (don't use the soft term undocumented!!) here, not a citizen, no bennies,nada! So there! NO incentive to have a kid here! NO DREAM ACT!! That encourages illegals to have thier kids here. Canada sure doesn't have this problem,why? They don't have a porous border like we do!! And greedy business owners who like cheap labor at the expense of the American taxpayer!! Let's wipe out the Whitehouse clowns, and get a REAL person in there!! Not a panderer to a certain race! UGH!

              #2.17 - Wed May 9, 2012 12:18 PM EDT

              First of many Latinos have lived in our country longer than it has been a country? Parts of California and Arizona where considered to be part of Mexico?

              There have been many rants about clean air and water. I personally also want clean air and water. The truth is we cannot have that and let everyone come into and stay in our country illegally.

              Arizona's law mirrors the federal immigration law. If you are driving you have to show proper ID. If you are arrested if you want to be released you have to prove who you are. We all do, so I do not see how that is picking or racial profiling. If you cannot supply an ID then you are held until someone can produce one.

              To say the Latinos are all going to vote for one party over the other is not correct either.

              We want to encourage people to be a part of our society. To vote legally, to have a job legally. You want more tax revenue, how is keeping illegal workers going to increase tax revenue. How can you help someone who does not have an ID?

              We are all Americans, no matter what country our ancestors came from. We should work together to solve our problems, not be condemned for having a different view point.

                #2.18 - Wed May 9, 2012 12:32 PM EDT
                Reply

                As usual, the Republicans are all ready to fix the problem.....they just don't want to give any specifics on how they plan on doing it.

                OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!!!!!!!!!

                • 24 votes
                Reply#3 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:10 PM EDT

                So, when are we going to witness Romney biting into his first Taco?

                • 15 votes
                #3.1 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:30 PM EDT

                And the dems simply ignore existing laws.

                • 7 votes
                #3.3 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:41 PM EDT
                Comment author avatarAlexM-3929653Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                Grow some dope, plant a democrat.

                • 2 votes
                #3.4 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

                Apparently someone has nothing of value to say.

                • 7 votes
                #3.5 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:47 PM EDT
                Comment author avatarAlexM-3929653Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                If referring to me, I lots to say with value. Except it no longer matters. If my value doesn't match your value then you insult me, I insult you, rinse repeat since this is the interwebs and doesn't matter.

                So instead of putting my worthless opinion up, I put my even more worthless opinion up! :)

                Cheers!

                • 1 vote
                #3.6 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:51 PM EDT

                Grow some dope, plant a democrat.

                Plant some a-hole, smoke a repub.

                • 1 vote
                #3.7 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:18 PM EDT

                TO: mrkirchner who wrote:

                "And the dems simply ignore existing laws."

                Hum, I didn't think Republicans liked "laws" with all that "anti-regulation," "anti-taxation" and "anti-government" crap Republicans cling to.

                Oh, that's it, Republicans only like laws they can use to "HURT" people, like gun laws.

                Obama/Biden 2012

                • 4 votes
                #3.8 - Tue May 8, 2012 7:39 PM EDT

                @AG,

                I suppose you believe that all the expensive regulations that Obama has put our business has been just amazing for the job market too, right?

                As far as guns, where I live there are 1000s of guns. I just got some beer at the store on the way home from work and the guy in front of me had one strapped to his hip. Amazingly enough, crimes committed with guns are extremely low in this county where ~80k people live.

                Implement stronger gun laws and take them out of the hands of citizens, then you just end up with more in the hands of criminals.

                Democrats are all about stepping on rights and creating laws that remove our rights. Such as the law they're trying to pass in Mass where you no longer have cake sales, sell candy bars, have (what our all mighty democrat gods have decided) unhealthy food for any school related activities. So no more raising money for class trips, sports equipment, etc unless (as the ignorant politician put it) parents get more innovative. So tell me, if I come to your door step selling you fresh brussel sprouts and egg plant, will you buy?

                How about the EPA stepping in on the states with fracking. Even after it being proven that the EPA lied in their tests about the ground water, Obama and EPA are still trying to shut down fracking. Keystone pipeline, GM and the $70k+ joke of a broken Volt, green energy, the ICE 'vacation holding centers' for illegals, Fast and Furious, the list goes on.

                Realize the failings of your party before you point your fingers else where.

                • 3 votes
                #3.9 - Tue May 8, 2012 9:41 PM EDT

                "I suppose you believe that all the expensive regulations that Obama has put our business"

                Hey Alex -- how about naming say 2 of those "expensive regulations" that Obama has put business. Can you do that??

                And if this president is so "anti business" -- why are corporate profits at an all time high??

                • 1 vote
                #3.10 - Wed May 9, 2012 7:31 AM EDT

                It's not that they want to help you , they just want your votes. Then they will deport your family

                • 2 votes
                #3.11 - Wed May 9, 2012 8:12 AM EDT

                Charlie,

                Here you go.

                EPA’s new restrictions on ozone pollution

                Like the climate change regulations, this regulation is another rule on air pollution under the Clean Air Act.

                EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson backed off the agency’s plans to more strictly regulate ozone pollution shortly after the midterm election “shellacking,” asking for more research on the issue in December.

                States are in charge of implementing the EPA-set standards under the Clean Air Act, and a stricter new limit could put many of them out of “attainment” with the standards. In the worst case scenario, states could be forced to ban new construction and could lose federal money for highway construction.

                EPA climate change regulations

                Thirty separate industry groups wrote Issa about the EPA’s “tailoring rule,” a legally questionable approach to limit the regulations to only major factories and industrial facilities. If the tailoring rule falls in court, six million new facilities would be subject to EPA regulations for the first time, including more than 3 million single-family homes. That would be regulatory Armageddon, even according to the EPA.

                Of course than you have Obama care. Which pre-charges the medical device manufacturers to the tune of 20 billion dollars.

                We also have to deal with the new EPA mandate for over the road trucking. The proposed increases in mileage out pace what can be done with current technology. Plus most of these trucks are driven for close to a million miles.

                  #3.12 - Wed May 9, 2012 12:50 PM EDT

                  TO: AlexM-2364525 who wrote:

                  "@AG, I suppose you believe that all the expensive regulations that Obama has put our business has been just amazing for the job market too, right?..."

                  I believe that Republicans know less about the United States Economy than the average clown, and I think it's very telling and highly suspect that Republicans NEVER consult Nobel Prize Winning Economists to get economic advice to help in the Recovery effort.

                  Romney wants to lay claim to the success of the Detroit Auto Industry after President Obama bailed out the Auto Industry, while Romney publically called to let the auto industry go bankrupt.

                  Romney was ready to use his carpetbagger friends, and some of his own millions, to jump in and sieze all those auto workers' pension plans and retirement accounts, which Romney could have ONLY gotten his hands on IF the auto industry went "bankrupt".

                  THAT is the difference between Democrats and Republicans.

                  Democrats DON'T rob the American People. Republicans make it their common practice to rob the American People.

                  Obama/Biden 2012

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.13 - Thu May 10, 2012 3:40 PM EDT
                  Reply

                  Why would Latinos vote for the very people that hate them and wish they would all go away?

                  • 25 votes
                  Reply#4 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:11 PM EDT

                  Its clear from these posts who hates Latinos. Its the same group of people who think the "life of Julia" is a good thing.

                  • 3 votes
                  #4.1 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:35 PM EDT

                  No, the GOP loves illegals, for lawn service (Romney loved his lawn service until he was running for office) to pick the fruit and vegetables for less than minimum wage (in the backward state of Alabama made their immigration laws so horrendous that illegals left and now they use prisoners. Those same farmers are upset because prisoners are not built the same way and need to many breaks. This reminds me so much of indentured servants not built the same way as African slaves) and for housekeeping and babysitting ( Two words: Meg Whitman).

                  Illegals are welcomed by the GOP until they are seen on their property.

                  • 13 votes
                  #4.2 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:13 PM EDT

                  Apparently nobody on the left has ever heard of Latinos who are US citizens.

                  • 4 votes
                  #4.3 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:19 PM EDT

                  TO: N Loves USA who wrote:

                  "Apparently nobody on the left has ever heard of Latinos who are US citizens."

                  You mean"nobody on the right ever heard of Latinos who are US citizens" in which case you'd be "right".

                  Obama/Biden 2012

                  • 7 votes
                  #4.4 - Tue May 8, 2012 7:42 PM EDT

                  AG,

                  There's actually quite a few latinos that are republicans... because in truth, the bases of the republican party are more in step with what latino background is about: family, religion, etc.

                  The talking point that the republican politicians utterly fail at getting across is most aren't anti-immigration (depending on the job situation, and personally I think we need to cut all immigration way down until the citizens in the country already are working). Republicans ARE strongly anti-illegal immigration... which ironically enough, the majority of democrats are too. Maybe you need to check back on the amnesty votes of your own party :)

                  Come on over to the middle, you can see both sides here instead of just your side.

                  • 1 vote
                  #4.5 - Tue May 8, 2012 9:46 PM EDT

                  "the RNC has just begun its effort to find and persuade Latinos to vote for Romney ..."

                  It took the NRC/GOP a year to get with the program

                  "Apparently nobody on the left has ever heard of Latinos who are US citizens."

                  It took N Loves USA just 8 hours to realize

                  that he actually might have a slim position on which to post

                  nice to see you actually had to WORK for something for once in your life !!

                    #4.6 - Wed May 9, 2012 10:40 PM EDT

                    TO: AlexM-2364525 who wrote:

                    "AG, There's actually quite a few latinos that are republicans... because in truth, the bases of the republican party are more in step with what latino background is about: family, religion, etc...Republicans ARE strongly anti-illegal immigration... which ironically enough, the majority of democrats are too. Maybe you need to check back on the amnesty votes of your own party :)

                    Come on over to the middle, you can see both sides here instead of just your side."

                    I am an Independent. I had to stop leaning right when Republicans started telling all those lies about George "Curveball" Bush. I was seriously bothered about Bush lying us into war in Iraq, but I was even MORE bothered when Bush refused to lower or gas prices after he seized the Iraqi oil fields, and then I was totally disgusted when Bush crashed the entire United States Economy.

                    My biggest problem with Republicans right now is they want to go BACK to the same failed policies that destroyed our economy in the first place, and Republicans are TOTALLY apathetic towards the American People.

                    • 2 votes
                    #4.7 - Thu May 10, 2012 3:52 PM EDT
                    Reply

                    Wow. Republicans keep talking about how Obama's administration has done nothing to stem the influx of illegal aliens, and then they say he's failed the Hispanic community because he's deported a record number of illegal aliens? Pick one, guys... you can't have it both ways!

                    • 20 votes
                    Reply#5 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:12 PM EDT

                    Flip-flop is the new standard policy for the GOP apparently

                    • 11 votes
                    #5.1 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:40 PM EDT

                    It's a sad day when Republicans start engaging in the type of racial pandering that Democrats depend on.

                    Obama using health care law to court Latinos

                    "Bucking conventional wisdom that Obamacare is a political liability in November, President Barack Obama's re-election campaign on Tuesday unveiled three new ads targeting Latino voters..."

                    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-using-health-care-law-court-latinos-170534946.html

                    • 2 votes
                    #5.2 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:04 PM EDT

                    You know, the odd thing about your astute observation is that more people have been deported since Obama has been in office. The west coast industries from fruit and veggie packaging plants to the fish canneries have seen the Feds come through and sweeping up the illegals who work there. They've really hammered them for the last two yeas. Their names (as well as their families names) and photographs and other identifiers about them are flagged to local industries: if they show up at another company, they won't be hired because of the hefty fines that are imposed.

                    • 4 votes
                    #5.3 - Tue May 8, 2012 7:48 PM EDT

                    Bush did the same company raids.

                    Also, while Obama has deported a high number, the number they quote and brag about includes some cooked numbers.

                    Obama is trying to play both sides of the fence, and it isn't going to work. Pick one and deal with the consequences. He's deporting while at the same time he's changing the rules to allow more to stay in.

                    i.e. he's trying to make the citizen democrats happy since they don't support illegal immigration, while he panders to the latinos by changing the rules to allow them to stay in.

                    I will have to say, as a politician, Obama is good... too bad what he stands for and believes in will destroy our country.

                    • 1 vote
                    #5.4 - Tue May 8, 2012 9:51 PM EDT

                    It's not just Hispanics Mitt has a problem with -- it's women, college graduates, college students, young people, fundamentalist Christians, atheist, blacks, gays, teachers, policemen, fire fighters, public employees, auto workers, union workers --- just about everyone except old, white haired white guys and they don't like him all that much either.

                    • 2 votes
                    #5.5 - Wed May 9, 2012 7:36 AM EDT

                    You can just collapse over half that list into union workers. You really aren't an independent.

                      #5.6 - Wed May 9, 2012 8:32 AM EDT

                      TO: AlexM-2364525 who wrote:

                      "Bush did the same company raids. Also, while Obama has deported a high number, the number they quote and brag about includes some cooked numbers..."

                      Alex, I had to stop there. NOBODY, BUT NOBODY cooked more numbers than George "Curveball" Bush, and all of the Republicans that made up Bush Administration told so many lies to the American People, they were labeled "The Culture of Corruption."

                      The fact is, lies are still being told in order to "re-write history" and you know that, don't you. Now you come on over to the middle, and admit some truth.

                      Obama / Biden 2012

                        #5.7 - Thu May 10, 2012 3:59 PM EDT
                        Reply

                        more like the rnc has just begun to figure out ways to deport and persecute latino voters and make it harder for them to vote.

                        • 5 votes
                        #6 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:14 PM EDT

                        You are a bigot. Why would a Hispanic CITIZEN have a hard time voting?

                        • 5 votes
                        #6.1 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:33 PM EDT

                        n-loves-usa --- do you have to prove you're a citizen to vote? what other restrictions do you want? maybe only land owners?

                        • 5 votes
                        #6.2 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:44 PM EDT

                        If only citizens should be voting, why shouldn't we all be showing ID? Claiming that voter ID laws discriminate against hispanics is highly insulting. A lot of us have taken note of who's insulting us.

                        • 4 votes
                        #6.3 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:55 PM EDT

                        n-loves-usa --- another bible thumping drone that wraps up in a flag. a phoney from the party of "values". i thought you wore that out during the bush administration.

                        • 2 votes
                        #6.4 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

                        So, are you saying than non-citizens should be able to vote in US elections? I said nothing about a bible or a flag.

                        • 4 votes
                        #6.5 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:00 PM EDT

                        n-loves-usa --- i only have to show my drivers license to show my address. what does n loves usa denote? flag wrapping? check your own post #16 . faith and family are in our roots. am i talking to the same person?

                          #6.6 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:12 PM EDT

                          n-loves-usa --- "a lot of us have taken note of who's insulting us". does this mean you intend to take retribution after some event? a thinly veiled threat?

                          • 1 vote
                          #6.7 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:18 PM EDT

                          The entire "voter ID" idea and subsequent legislation in various states is a Republican effort. They know that there is only a tiny amount of actual voter fraud cases in the U.S. (less than .1 of 1%) and in no case have any of the real fraud cases resulted in a difference in how an election turned out. The fewer people that vote, the better it is for Republicans. They know that and so do the Democrats. Getting people to vote is NOT an Un-American activity - restricting the vote is.

                          • 6 votes
                          #6.8 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:19 PM EDT

                          The voter ID law in my state is requiring a driver's license or CHL in order to vote. If you don't driver or have a CHL, you can get an ID card for $6.

                          No, I am not suggesting that anyone wear a US flag....that was you.

                          " a thinly veiled threat?" Not exactly.....just saying that a lot of us are voting Republican and many for the first time.

                          • 4 votes
                          #6.9 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:22 PM EDT

                          bill crane -- right on!

                          • 3 votes
                          #6.10 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:23 PM EDT

                          n-loves-usa -- "not exactly". a little bit? maybe? somewhat? partially? potentially?

                            #6.11 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:27 PM EDT

                            And anyone that knows how to google can show that Bill Crane is full of $hit. He's just spouting the same talking points that the Obama Harem member handbook tells him to.

                            Nah, I'm not going to post links, if you're too stupid to actually find the facts then you're too stupid to actually read them.

                            • 2 votes
                            #6.12 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:29 PM EDT

                            the reason there is so little voter fraud discovered is that there is no ID checks being done there fore there is no way to actually get an accurate account of who is trying to trick the system....

                            How hard is it to get an ID? if you have nothing to hide then it shouldn't be a hard thing to do...you need an ID to buy beer and a laundry list of other miniscule things but for the one most important thing that we do as Americans that effects all of us we do not need one?

                            i could care less what nationality the illegal is they should not be voting pure and simple...so go down to the DMV and go get an ID, it isn't hard unless you have something to hide..

                            • 2 votes
                            #6.13 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:31 PM EDT

                            Exactly, VH Navy. But the left says that voter ID laws will "suppress the minority vote". Seriously? What a bunch of bigoted jerks.

                            • 2 votes
                            #6.14 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:42 PM EDT

                            Do you not understand that many people do not simply have the proper ID to get what they need now? One woman was not allowed to vote because she couldn't produce her marriage license? Many folks never had birth certificates ( usually these people are over 70 yrs old, are black, and were not born in hospitals). Why would the GOP spend so much time trying to restrict voters when this is simply not a problem? If you can not see that, you either are not very bright, or are not paying attention, or you get your news solely from the right. this is not a hard issue, and even the Repubs understand that they are trying to keep legitimate people from voting, so they can win!

                            • 4 votes
                            #6.15 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:52 PM EDT

                            Sherry - the only people that are trying to be stopped are illegal of any nationality..and to sit there and tell me that someone of the age of 70 can not get an ID due to the fact that they were not born in a hospital and not being issued a birth certificate is a big stretch being that even though their birth was not in a hospital there is still city or town records and most people who are not born in hospitals tend to to stay in that small town. Now I am assuming that these 70 year olds were able to obtain a SS number which guess what, you can get an ID with as well...there are many avenues to obtaining an ID card and I find it a little disturbing that you paint certain individuals as not being intelligent enough to figure out how to get an ID

                            • 1 vote
                            #6.16 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:29 PM EDT

                            AlexM: I know how to google and I am always very careful when I cite a source. Mine was from the Brennan Center for Justice. I will acknowledge that the Brennan Center is somewhat left of center (most democratic-small "d"-institutions are) so I checked with the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative"think tank." Norm Ornstein, Resident Scholar at the AEI has recently discussed voter fraud cases and found the same result as others - very very small. Here is the link: http://www.electionreformproject.org/Resources/1026cf92-cbf4-4c2a-a803-7c8b50ac2f0c/r1/Detail.aspx I will acknowledge that I was incorrect in stating that there were no cases of voter fraud changing the outcome of an election. The one modern case was the Mayoral election in Miami in 1997. Ornstein poses interesting challenges - see especially the last three paragraphs where he advocates for voter ID, but very differently that what is being presented currently by Republican legislators. At any rate the problem, if any, is with absentee ballots, not the kind of voter fraud being addressed by the new laws.

                            • 2 votes
                            #6.17 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:44 PM EDT

                            TO: N Loves USA who wrote:

                            "You are a bigot. Why would a Hispanic CITIZEN have a hard time voting?"

                            Because they're Democrats.

                            Republicans have ALWAYS tried to prevent Democrats from voting.

                            Obama / Biden 2012

                            • 3 votes
                            #6.18 - Tue May 8, 2012 7:46 PM EDT

                            why are you assuming that all Americans of Hispanic decent vote Democrat. because we do not, ...do you honestly think that we can not think for ourselves and make a conscious effort to pick the best person even if that is not who you support....

                            the only people that need to be prevented from voting are illegals from all nationalities

                            • 1 vote
                            #6.19 - Tue May 8, 2012 8:06 PM EDT

                            Anyone who does not believe that we have a Big voter fraud problem can read the following. You can also go to Judicial Watch.org and see where Acorn is alive and well Only useing another name.But the same people!

                            http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16666098/2012/02/02/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud-part-2

                            http://www.nbc-2.com/story/16662854/2012/02/02/nbc2-investigates-voter-fraud

                              #6.20 - Wed May 9, 2012 12:42 AM EDT

                              Sherry,

                              how can you not have a picture ID in our country?

                              You say the poor cannot get one, well I am pretty darn sure that they need one to get any type of government aid.

                              Voting is a right and a privilege. Votes should be cast by legal citizens of our country. If they find it to hard to get a picture ID to express their right, well I have no sympathy for them. No they should not be allowed to vote.

                              The states that have enacted voted ID have actually seen and increase in voter turn out.

                              http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123327839569631609.html

                              This is another non issue.

                                #6.21 - Wed May 9, 2012 1:17 PM EDT
                                Reply

                                Is it me, or does the RNC feel like a kid who's put off doing a mid-term until the last possible moment, then spends a frantic evening trying to put it all together? I sincerely hope that Latino's are paying attention to the fact that they're ignored unless they're in a swing State, or their votes are needed to decided a nominee.

                                Pretty sad.

                                • 17 votes
                                Reply#7 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:17 PM EDT

                                RweThereYet?...nope, you still have a long way to go.

                                • 6 votes
                                #7.2 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:33 PM EDT

                                If it's just me, how come 5 people agreed with me in less than 20 minutes?

                                • 10 votes
                                #7.3 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:36 PM EDT

                                Well, you may be right, but pretty much every poll to date has shown there is absolutely no currently announced GoP nominee who could possibly beat Obama. It's not about how much people like/dislike him, it's about who would take Romney over Obama. And as it stands now, not many people outside the extreme right are interested in voting Romney.

                                Remember, the Right, in the past 6 months have pissed off the largest demographic in America...women. And have basically shown the largest growing minority population (latino's) that they only matter when there's a vote to be had.

                                Many on the left believed Bush was done after his first term, and were ridiculously disappointed when that didn't happen. I suggest you prepare yourself for that, before it happens....just in case.

                                • 13 votes
                                #7.5 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:42 PM EDT

                                Yeah, 17 months ago doesn't mean squat now, son. Remember what happened 2 short years before that? You know, the GoP being sent packing in it's entirety?

                                You need to realize how quickly the electorate's attention span shifts. They've no concept of how long it takes for an economic recovery to happen so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the same thing happen this year. Another 'wave' except this time the GoP gets washed out.

                                It's happened before, thinking it won't happen again is naive.

                                Yes, Polls change daily, unfortunately not one poll has changed to show Romney beating Obama in a general election. That's gotta be a concern.

                                And did I blame Bush for anything? Nope. I said nothing derogatory, inflammatory or in any way critical of Bush. I simply said many thought he wouldn't win reelection, and were supremely disappointed when he did. And I'm suggesting that you prepare yourself for that same kind of disappointment, because you're clearly confused over the direction the election is going this year.

                                • 5 votes
                                #7.7 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

                                Bmurphy - " I sincerely hope that Latino's are paying attention to the fact that they're ignored unless they're in a swing State, or their votes are needed to decided a nominee.

                                Pretty sad."

                                Whats more important is that ALL AMERICANS are paying attention to the fact that not only is Obama ignoring them he is suing them to continue importing foreign criminals... let him pander to a specific race all he wants, they can have him.

                                • 2 votes
                                #7.8 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

                                TO: pjam09 who wrote:

                                "...Whats more important is ... Obama ... is ... importing foreign criminals... let him pander to a specific race all he wants, they can have him."

                                And you wonder why some folks call Republicans "racists".

                                Let me guess: Romney supporter? Of course.

                                Obama/Biden 2012

                                • 4 votes
                                #7.9 - Tue May 8, 2012 7:51 PM EDT
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                                Notice that the Republicans TALK about going after the Latino Vote, but do not TALK about what they are going to do for Latinos. I hope the Latinos do not feel slighted by their attitude, they are treating everyone the same---they want our Vote too but do not say what they will do for us once they get elected!

                                • 8 votes
                                Reply#8 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:18 PM EDT

                                Apparently the irony of the byline "we've only just begun" (read: we've never cared about them before we needed their votes) escapes them but it doesn't escape latino voters.

                                • 9 votes
                                Reply#9 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:21 PM EDT

                                as an aside from biden. obama has a big night-stick that he's going to slap all you feeble-minded "teabaggers" upside your heads to straighten out your thinking.

                                • 2 votes
                                Reply#10 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:21 PM EDT

                                Republicans....the party of angry white men. Yeah, they'll get a lot of brown people votes for sure. The base of the Republican Party is so damn afraid that their white privilege is about to expire over the next 50 years as they become the minority in this country that they'll do just about anything including trying to prohibit access to birth control in the hopes of swelling the ranks of the white population. I don't think Latinos will vote for Republicans in any significant numbers...Arizona effectively guaranteed that.

                                • 8 votes
                                Reply#11 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:22 PM EDT

                                I am not even convinced Arizona is a sure thing for the Republicans. Their ridiculous antics are scaring the hell out of everybody. And Jan Brewer looks more and more like the wicked martini witch everyday. Maybe we should move the mexican border to somewhere just north of Phoenix!

                                • 8 votes
                                #11.1 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:26 PM EDT

                                Too bad Newt is gone...

                                if he was top banana in the GOP

                                he'd be promising Latino's cheaper tortilla's...!

                                  #11.2 - Wed May 9, 2012 11:08 PM EDT
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                                  hello latinos we are republicans vote for us so we can deport you and/or make sure you are second class citizens your whole lives

                                  • 9 votes
                                  Reply#12 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:23 PM EDT

                                  Yea... just look to blacks for what the Democrats can do for(to) you.

                                  We are Dimocrats, just kneel, hold out your hand, and surrender your vote... and tell your children to do the same.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #12.1 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:12 PM EDT

                                  i hate to tell you this but were under a republican controlled congress so republicans are messing up the country not obama learn how politics work before you go blaming 1 person for something your entire group of elected officials are doing

                                    #12.2 - Wed May 9, 2012 12:36 AM EDT
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                                    Honestly---who on earth would buy this? Hispanics and Latinos aren't dumb and I doubt they have attention deficit disorder, but apparently the right thinks they do. The right has shaken the Etch-a-Sketch, apparently thinking the Hispanic community will forget the right's egregious stand on the undocumented and immigration in general. The right has kicked women and Hispanics in the teeth----and we will not forget this come election day.

                                    • 6 votes
                                    Reply#13 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:24 PM EDT

                                    I can't think of any ways in which the right has kicked me in the teeth. The choice is more freedom or less freedom.

                                    Romney 2012

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #13.1 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:58 PM EDT

                                    66ncounting - So you're saying the "Hispanic Community" supports foreign criminals? Why on earth would you want such people voting in your country's election?

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #13.2 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:16 PM EDT

                                    TO: N Loves USA who wrote:

                                    "I can't think of any ways in which the right has kicked me in the teeth. The choice is more freedom or less freedom..."

                                    The trouble is, when Republicans say "freedom" what they mean is, Republicans want the "freedom" to impinge on other Americans' Constitutional Rights, i.e., Republicans want the "freedom" to deny women our right to choose.

                                    I also believe that when Republicans say "freedom" that means they want the "freedom" to NOT pay their taxes!

                                    Obama/Biden 2012

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #13.3 - Thu May 10, 2012 5:45 PM EDT
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                                    Ah, OK, so this explains why Romney is still "deciding" what his stance is on illegal immigration.

                                    Hold your nose, true Conservatives....or vote for Gary Johnson and hope that someday, your old party "gets it" and nominates someone with actual conservative principles, instead of someone who makes up principles based on the audience he's addressing at the time.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    Reply#15 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:30 PM EDT

                                    What a bunch of bigoted leftists on this thread. Any time hispanics are brought up, the left starts talking about illegals. Republicans want votes from citizens....not illegals. That is why they support voter ID laws.

                                    Most of our families did not come here to live in a welfare state. Our values are not in line with the current agenda of Democrats. Faith and family are in our roots.

                                    Romney 2012

                                    • 4 votes
                                    Reply#16 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:31 PM EDT

                                    Keep calling them illegals, that will ingratiate them to your cause. I promise you.

                                    • 6 votes
                                    #16.2 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:41 PM EDT

                                    N Loves USA - Hah!! Don't dilude yourself. What you stand for is getting all up in other people's business....that's not family values to pry into the private lives of other people and tell them how they should live their lives. Didn't your mother tell you to mind your own business when you were growing up? Pretty hypocritical of you.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #16.3 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:43 PM EDT

                                    Pure BS. The left is all about being in people's business. If you are referring to abortion, most of us hispanics happen to be Catholic. But, the left hates Catholics too.

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #16.4 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:47 PM EDT

                                    Oh come on really??? The right is always telling people what to do with their lives and no I'm not just referring to abortion but quite frankly what women do with their bodies including their choice to use or not to use birth control and whether or not to have a child is protected on under the 14th Amendment. But the right and I suppose someone like you just thinks you have some right to force your twisted views on women. And of course trying to take rights away from gay people again as if you have some sort of right to do so. NO I'm sorry it's not Democrats and liberals that try to deny people their protected rights it's people like you. Oh and BTW I'm Catholic as well but I don't try to tell other people how to live their lives. Being Catholic doesn't give you the right to inject your religious views on others....period.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #16.5 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:57 PM EDT

                                    Nobody on the right has tried to ban birth control. My health insurance plan is about to be highjacked for the federal government though. My rights have been violated in a big way and I am a woman.

                                    How exactly am I trying to tell people how to live their lives? Are you referring to abortion again?

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #16.6 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:03 PM EDT

                                    TO: N Loves USA who wrote:

                                    "Pure BS. The left is all about being in people's business. If you are referring to abortion, most of us hispanics happen to be Catholic. But, the left hates Catholics too."

                                    I'm Roman Catholic, and a hard core leftist at the moment. Now you want to know what's "Pure B.S."?

                                    Everything you just said.

                                    Obama/Biden 2012

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #16.7 - Tue May 8, 2012 7:59 PM EDT

                                    N Love - Your wrong,Republican Presidential candidate Santorum suggested outlawing most forms of birth control. The outgoing Republican Governor (Barbour), the governor candidates, and all Republican legislators in Mississippi supported Proposition 26 - the "Personhood Amendment." "On its Web site, Yes on 26 confirms that this rule covers some IUDs and oral contraceptives: 'We are opposed to those birth control methods which act as abortifacients. These could include forms of the pill which act to prevent implantation of the newly formed human into the lining of the womb; forms of the IUD, which can act the same …'" - Slate: Nov 7, 2011 (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/human_nature/2011/11/mississippi_personhood_for_embryos_will_it_outlaw_birth_control_.html

                                    So yes, BTW, I am also a Roman Catholic (and liberal Democrat). But even the conservative clergy of Catholic Church couldn't go along with that particular proposition in Mississippi.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #16.8 - Wed May 9, 2012 12:07 AM EDT
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                                    Maybe the RNC can recruit Joe Arpaio as their spokesman to GO AFTER the Latino Vote, (or else)!

                                    • 4 votes
                                    Reply#17 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:32 PM EDT

                                    If they recruited him to be in charge of immigration AMERICANS would support it wholeheartedly.

                                    • 3 votes
                                    #17.1 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:22 PM EDT

                                    That would be an interesting job for him after he is indicted by the Feds. Would "Americans" agree with the December 2011 report by the U.S. Justice Dept. that stated "that under Arpaio, the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office has "a pervasive culture of discriminatory bias against Latinos" that "reaches the highest levels of the agency?"[

                                      #17.2 - Tue May 8, 2012 7:59 PM EDT

                                      Are you talking about Holder the Gun Dealer? He is only Hoping to find something,Anything on Joe! He has had his stuges looking for anything for 3 years now ! wouldn't you think that he had some work to do by now?

                                        #17.3 - Wed May 9, 2012 1:01 AM EDT
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                                        "RNC: We've only just begun to fight for Latino voters"

                                        Fixed it for ya.

                                        • 10 votes
                                        Reply#18 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:34 PM EDT

                                        I guess Mitt is missing the lawn care he had to fire during the Republican Primary, but don't worry Mitt you can get Rubio to write something so you can get them back. Its the least he can do for you since he doesn't want to be your running mate either.

                                        • 2 votes
                                        Reply#19 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:43 PM EDT

                                        Willard and his Rat Pack!

                                        • 1 vote
                                        Reply#20 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:43 PM EDT
                                          Reply#21 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:45 PM EDT

                                          Latinos vote just like any other population. Latinos is California vote Liberal, Latino's in Florida vote Republican.
                                          It is not much of a story. Since most Latinos are god fearing Christians who believe in GOD. Something Liberals just do not like.

                                          Romney will win this in a landslide. Obama will join the ranks of Carter as one of the biggest defeats in a Presidential election.

                                          • 4 votes
                                          Reply#23 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:47 PM EDT

                                          Good one! Got any more good jokes?

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #23.1 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:56 PM EDT

                                          They hate us "pro-life" Latinos too. They hate Catholics more than just about anything.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #23.2 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:57 PM EDT

                                          We don't hate Catholics, just your pedophile clergymen.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #23.3 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:58 PM EDT

                                          I've read what the left posts on every article about Catholics. We are very hated. I've never met a pedophile clergyman and you probably haven't either. The Catholic church in the USA goes out of its way to prevent sexual abuse. I've never even heard of a child being alone with a priest in recent times.

                                          I have met a pedophile public school teacher but the left gives them a pass.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #23.4 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:07 PM EDT

                                          Devdoc: African-Americans vote overwhelmingly Democratic and have since 1932. And Afrcan-Americans are tied with Conservatives and Republicans as the most church-going voters (55%) according to a fairly recent Gallup poll. So I do not see a correlation between religious voters and political preference. An exception is voters who describe themselves as Christian fundamentalists who have been measured as 78% conservative in voting. However, Christian fundamentalists represent only about 20% of the adult population, and still, this figure itself is very debatable because the definition of fundamentalist is tricky (there are Protestant, Catholic,African-American and Hispanics that describe themselves as fundamentalist).

                                            #23.5 - Tue May 8, 2012 7:37 PM EDT
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                                            Why would a Latino vote for Obama when he's doubled their gas prices, doubled their unemployment rate, added $5 trillion to their nations debt, promises things he never delivers and hands out tax payer funded "carrots" to buy their vote. Obama has divided this nation into "classes" in order to pit one American against another for no other reason than to win a second term.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#24 - Tue May 8, 2012 4:59 PM EDT

                                            Check your timeline; those were done under Bush. Unemployment has gone down since Obama took office.

                                            You are either willfully ignorant or a liar. Which is it?

                                            • 6 votes
                                            #24.1 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:02 PM EDT

                                            Because when listening to RepubliCONS they realize they arent respected as human beings with the same inherent rights as a white anglo

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #24.2 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:03 PM EDT

                                            Bob-Unemployment hasn't gone "down" under Obama but you are correct. What I should have said is that in December 2006 Latino unemployment was about 5.1% which is the month before liberals took over both houses of Congress. In March 2012 it was 10.3%, that's double! You are right though, I shouldn't just blame Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are also to blame.

                                            Ignorance comes from the left, not the right.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #24.3 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:10 PM EDT

                                            Freebird, Check the official government BLS site. Unemployment in 08 = 5.8%, Unemployment in 2011 = 8.95% Or do you know more than the government?

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #24.4 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:14 PM EDT

                                            Haxx.

                                            Unemployment in January of 2009 (the month obama was sworn in), "Both the number of unemployed persons (11.6 million) and the unemployment rate (7.6 percent) rose in January. Over the past 12 months, the number of unemployed persons has increased by 4.1 million and the unemployment rate has risen by 2.7 percentage points.
                                            The unemployment rate continued to trend upward in January for adult men (7.6 percent), adult women (6.2 percent), whites (6.9 percent), blacks (12.6 percent), and Hispanics (9.7 percent). The jobless rate for teenagers was unchanged at 20.8 percent."

                                            bls.gov/opub/ted/2009/feb/wk2/art02.htm

                                            Basically, the day Obama was sword in, unemployment had jumped 2.7% in the previous year and was still trending upwards every month.

                                            That's a fact.

                                            For more fun and trending analysis, visit:

                                            data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

                                            Punch in start year 2001 (Bush's first year) to end year 2008 (Bush's last full year)

                                            Or, for a more accurate picture, start year 2002, end year 2009 (bush's policies in effect. 12 months for a policy to kick in, yea?)

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #24.5 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:59 PM EDT

                                            Lukewarm,

                                            So the Bush Administrations complete collapse of the the world wide financial system had absolutely NOTHING to do with Latino unemployment ??? Yeah, right, I am sure Latinos will buy that on the way to the unemployment office!!!! And then of course that fiasco was followed by Republican resistence to extenting unemployment benefits TWICE, while continuing to insist on tax breaks for the wealthy Patrons who do nothing but crap on Latinos and their aspirations.

                                            • 4 votes
                                            #24.6 - Tue May 8, 2012 6:43 PM EDT
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                                            Another Etch A Sketch Moment

                                            • 3 votes
                                            Reply#25 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:01 PM EDT

                                            I will believe the GOP statement " We've only just begun to fight for Latino voters"

                                            as soon as they support the Dream Act.

                                            The GOP will tell you anything to get your vote ,and a day after the election they won't admit to your existence .

                                            Ask any Tea party Member !

                                            • 6 votes
                                            Reply#26 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:10 PM EDT

                                            I second that big time, get the fly swatters out for the baggers !

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #26.1 - Wed May 9, 2012 8:55 AM EDT

                                            You have to hand it to the conservative/GOP stalwarts for one thing...

                                            they do a great job of hiding behind their brains

                                            which is doubly hard to do when you are so small minded

                                              #26.2 - Wed May 9, 2012 11:43 PM EDT
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                                              Bash this

                                              I kinda like this West Virginia saying J

                                              A person is inclined to think, "I am not going to forward any more political e-mails."

                                              Then one like this comes along.. .. .. ... .. .. ! A picture is worth 1,000 words!!


                                              An old West Virginia Hillbilly saying:

                                              YOU CANNOT GET THE WATER TO CLEAR UP,
                                              until you get the ? out of the creek.

                                                Reply#27 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

                                                So get out of the creek then !

                                                • 1 vote
                                                #27.1 - Tue May 8, 2012 5:24 PM EDT
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