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Subscribe to RSSWith Romney's nomination all but decided, Ron Paul supporters wrested control of the Maine Republican Convention and elected a majority slate supporting the Texas congressman to the GOP national convention, party officials said as the two-day convention neared its end Sunday. The results gave the Texas congressman a late state victory.
The names of 15 at-large delegates from Maine to the GOP nominating convention in Tampa, Fla., were posted Sunday as votes for the other delegation seats remained undecided. Maine is allotted a total of 24 delegates to the national convention.
"It's certainly a significant victory," said Jim Azzola of South Portland, Cumberland County coordinator for Paul. The votes were to become finalized when the convention closes.
Paul, the last challenger to remain in the contest, finished a close second behind Romney in Maine's GOP caucuses in February but those results were nonbinding. Not everyone, however, had a chance to cast a ballot before the results were announced. A snowstorm forced the cancellation of some caucuses including one in a Paul stronghold. Romney won the February straw poll with 39 percent of the vote to Paul's 36 percent. Santorum trailed with 18 percent and Gingrich got 6 percent.
Romney's aides say they do not view Paul as a threat to winning the nomination. But Romney and his team have also been mindful not to do or say anything that might anger Paul's loyal supporters.
"I think he's being very careful because he knows how important the Ron Paul voters are — they obviously represent a very different dynamic," said Mike Dennehy, a former top aide to Republican John McCain's 2008 campaign. "They are the most passionate and the most frustrated of any voters heading to the polls. And many of them are independents."
In the 2008 contest, Romney won 52 percent of the Maine caucuses, more than double John McCain's 21 percent and Paul's 19 percent. But McCain left the 2008 state convention with 20 delegates, leaving Paul with one. Three were uncommitted.
Saturday's turn of events in a neighboring state to where Romney served as governor would indicate the GOP has not yet united behind the presumptive nominee, and there are indications the infighting may last all the way to the national convention.
Paul supporters accused the Romney crowd Saturday of dirty tricks to garner more delegates. "We came here to see democracy in action. We are floored by what happened, absolutely floored to see the cheating," said Elizabeth Shardlow of Auburn, a Paul activist.
Charles Cragin, a Romney supporter who lost Saturday's bid to chair the convention, called the turn of events at the Maine convention "bizarre." Cragin said the Paul-led delegation may not be recognized at the national convention because of violations of rules of procedure this weekend in Augusta.
"They have so phenomenally screwed this up that they will go to Tampa and not be seated," Cragin said.
Another Romney supporter, delegate John Carson of Kittery, acknowledged "this is a split convention."
"The Paul supporters have had a successful process and should be congratulated on that," said Carson, a veteran of numerous state conventions. "I think it's important that the Romney camp and Paul camp come together and support a single candidate," Carson said, adding that candidate should be Romney.
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Ron Paul 2012!
Hmmm...
[i]Ron Paul is not age appropriate[/i].
Ron Paul supporters need to wake up to this fact: Yes, at age 78 he is TOO OLD to become POTUS. Nowadays, anyone reaching the age of 78 is living on borrowed time, and they know it.
If Ron Paul was 55 or 60, Mr. Obama would have a very serious contender. Otherwise, the candidacy of Ron Paul is a joke.
The Republican Party needs to focus on finding better qualified candidates.
How does it feel to repeat obsolete and recycled mainstream media talking points? This mans in better shape than McCain and could easily be healthy for the next 4 years. Even if something bad did happen, his vice president would step in, and honor his values and principles. Either way it's a win win for the American people, and the world.
Ron Paul tells the American people uncomfortable news. His remedies to the decline of America are equally painful: reduce the size of the Federal government; return to economic stability by freemarket principles; re-establish the gold standard as part of America's financial foundation; bring the troops home by closing hundreds of bases abroad; and reduce the government deficit.
Special interests rather destroy America than to support Ron Paul. PAC raises hundreds of milions of dollar to support the status quo candidates rather than support Ron Paul who is the only real honest Presidential candiate with deep convictions.
@WhistleBerries: Ron Paul is in great shape and healthy. Ron Paul has stated "I’ve offered to ride a bicycle for 20 miles in Houston when the temperature is 100° and the humidity is 100% and I will go 20 miles with them and then we’ll decide who’s the youngest". He is also the most qualified and not only does he understand the Oath of office and the Constitution, he stands by it unlike Obama and Romney. Ron Paul 2012
I hope he wins in Texas. I am independent but would vote republican with Ron Paul for a candidate.
I certainly will not vote for obama or his clone, romney.
WhistleBerries
Too old is relative. If his running around the country giving rallies to thousands at every venue every other day is any indication of his stamina, I will take my chances voting for the man.
When you look at the US population that is obese, I tend to bet his blood work would show he is in better shape than 70% of the population at any age.
It is attitudes like yours that keep the status quo bull@!$%# fest in place. Plastic hair and frilly speeches got us into the mess we are in.
@WhistleBerries...So why is mit better? Give at least 5 reasons!! I Don't think you even know or want to try and know.... So typical!
By the way 2 Romney supporters where escorted off the convention floor for passing out fake delegate list to Ron Paul supporters in Nevada! Wow! How is this guy better qualified again?? Presumptive nominee? Sure so popular that his supporters are resorting to actual cheating to get him delegates!
Ron Paul won 22 of 25 delegate spots in Nevada going to Tampa!! UH OH!
@WhistleBerries
People 55-60 drop dead every day. Paul is probably in better physical condition than most 55-60 year olds in this country today. If not he wouldn't be able to do what he's doing now.
And what's with the bold? Are you pissed off about something or just trying to shout at us all? Surely you can't believe it makes your point seem more valid because it has the exact opposite effect.
Must have had a sale on tin foil hats at L.L. Bean.
"Must have had a sale on tin foil hats at L.L. Bean"
And the liberals and brain damged Romneyites bought out the entire stock in under 4 minutes.
Citizen -827113
And 23 out of 28 in Iowa this weekend.
John 827113
FANTASTIC! Good to hear!
Did you hear that WhistleBerries? He just took most the delegates in Iowa! Wow how scared are you right now?
Paul-Bachmann 2012. Let's at least make this interesting, folks! A old whacko driveling on about the gold standard and the evil central bank -boooring - and swearing he's not racist and didn't know what was in his newsletter - lyyying- needs a lickable middle aged lady whacko who - you never know - may be convinced by Palin to bring in a witch doctor, and who might say absolutely anything! Yes!
JimD-406742
Why Ron Paul is correct about the FED
Think of it in terms of a stock split.
Take a dollar bill, tear it in half, that is what happens every time the FED doubles the money supply. Except, they give fifty cents of your money to special interest, cronies, finance wars, or foreign powers and the banks.
Tear your 50 cents in half again.
And again.
Now you have 12.5 cents. That is why a green pepper in 1980 cost 12.5 cents and now it is a dollar, and it has nothing to do with how much we pay the sun to shine. The dollar is backed up by the full force of America, which as it turns out is the US citizens. Backed up through taxation. And because our government can't tax us 100% because it would destroy the economy, it is added as debt.
What is the point of earning 7-10% on investments, while at the same time the FED is devaluing your money by 15%?
This principle helps all Americans. Not just Democrats. Not just Republicans Everyone that has money. It may be boring, but it is true.
I have very little to quibble with Paul's platform but let's get real...this is a cause and not a candidacy. So after the party is over, someone goes picking in the trash. Romney is the only realistic alternative to Obama but why begrudge the Paulites picking up the leavings here and there?
Citizen -827113
And here is a new one I wasn't aware of.
http://www.khq.com/story/18158532/ron-paul-backers-aim-to-overturn-romneys-win
Ron Paul too old? Not in my book. I know someone who voted for O because he thought McCain was too old. Ron Paul is the only logical choice we have.
What little I've read of the article, I saw something about the Repubs not wanting to anger Paul supporters. Well Mitt, you go right on ahead and upset me. I've been a Paul supporter for awhile now, and nothing you can say is going to change that. He's genuine, and that's proven by his record. And just so ya know, I'm not a kid, and I'm not military. Just a normal older American.
HM Whistleberry or whatever the hell your name is, needs to stiffle it! Whistleberry needs to understand that Dr. Paul may have more delegates at the Republican Convention than Mitt Romney.Whistleberry needs to understand that very clearly!
RON PAUL JUST MAY GET THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION AWAY FROM THE GOLDEN BOY MITT ROMNEY AT THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION.THINK I'M FULL OF SH IT? JUST WAIT AND SEE!
Main stream media has been stifling this bit of news,for quit awhile.This the main reason Ron Paul has not dropped out of the RACE!
Oh and Whistleberry he's 76 not 79! Again you and everybody else better can it,because you and everybody else maybe in for a RUDE AWAKENING!
And exactly how is that going to be seen as "legitimate"? Overturning the will of 27,900 voters simply because "Ron Paul is the Only One" doesn't exactly evoke confidence, it evokes an egotistical power grab by a would-be tyrant.
Oh, but don't let me stop you! Please do overturn the primaries and get Paul in as the Republican Nominee, it will only make the election even more entertaining and the Democratic victory sweeter...
RULE # 38 sir! RULE # 38! No if that happens Oblabber Mouth is GONE!
Bub Bye now and don't let the door hit you in the Ass on the way OUT!
Have a pleasant evening.I know I will!
Reagan left office at 84 and was not in as good a shape as Ron Paul
CM-6969
Do you mean a power grab like NDAA? Where the President has authority over my due process rights?
I don't think I would bring up power grabbing when the President is in violation of his oath to uphold the Constitution.
The only reason Ron Paul is not the favorite is because he isn't in anyone's pocket. Look up "top campaign donors 2012" and I think it will be pretty clear why Mitt Romney is the front runner. Ron Paul's top contributors and private citizens, US military personnel, and himself (yes, he's footing the bill for most of his campaign).
On the other hand, Mitt Romney's top contributors are Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, etc. If you still want to bury your head in the sand and believe that American politics are not bought and sold by major corporations, at least take a look at who's paying for these campaigns so you know who your candidate is going to owe favors to.
Imagine that! Already off the front page of MSNBC
It only took three hours from first post.
Ron Paul is using procedural maneuvers and other tricks to try and overturn the will of the voters. Is this someone you really would want to see as president!?!?!? Ron Paul needs to knock this @!$%# off before he make a complete joke out of the entire party and nominating process. The voters have spoken and Ron Paul has lost, he needs to accept that and go away.
JS in SD
I had to read the Republican Party platform and sign off to it to vote in my caucus. The platform is a joke and offensive, and the party, the way it sits, should die a slow and agonizing death.
Both Maine and Nevada had voting irregularities when votes took place, so how do you know for certain, that this isn't the will of the people and the voters.
And as far as who is doing this, it is his supporters, not him personally. If Romney had this kind of support, it could not have happened.
Cool, paul may not get the nomination but he can certaintly influence the platform.
JS in SD - you mean like obama is trying to do wrt executive orders?
NO! It should NOT be OBushney.
RON PAUL 2012
FatCatGets$700Bil
Ron Paul tells the American people uncomfortable news. His remedies to the decline of America are equally painful: reduce the size of the Federal government; return to economic stability by freemarket principles; re-establish the gold standard as part of America's financial foundation; bring the troops home by closing hundreds of bases abroad; and reduce the government deficit.
Special interests rather destroy America than to support Ron Paul. PAC raises hundreds of millions of dollar to support the status quo candidates rather than support Ron Paul who is the only real honest Presidential candidate with deep convictions.
^^^^^
It's the "shoot the messenger" mentality. People like to think and believe that if they don't talk abut the real problems of America, they will just go away. RP speaks the truth about the problems we are all facing due to big government that's robbing the people of their incomes and rights.
It's time to fight back, take back your country and your freedoms. The people really do need to pull their heads out of their azzes and face the facts on what's happening in the world, and more importantly, in our very own country.
RP 2012
Obama sucks and we know it. Romney sucks even more because he's got a large number of corporate friends, and will stop at nothing to do their bidding. Dr. Paul is the only valid choice here. He may be old, but he's got the energy of someone much younger.
100% Spartan. Ron Paul now has Iowa, Maine. Louisiana, and Minnesota. All he needs is one more State to get nominated from the floor. Rhino Mitt won't have enough delegates to get it done and off to the White house for Dr. Paul and liberty for all the patriots.
Dirty tricks, ballot irregularities, disdain for freedom and on and on and on. This Ron Paul supporter will vote Ron Paul. Any other nominee will see a vote against the GOP.
He makes the most common sense and wisdom more than any of the others PERIOD!!!!!!
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Doobie McStoned
I don't want to stifle your enthusiasm in any way, It is great! I am a Ron Paul supporter also.
However, there are many more issues at stake that legalized drugs. It is about all lost liberty and over-reach of government. People viewing the situation, most of the time, define the movement by a common denominator. And, if it is perceived that all Paul's supporters are drug users and that is all they want, it does the cause a great disservice. If you believe in one over-riding issue, that is up to you. But, how you are perceived is a reflection on us all.
I hope you don't take offense to this, because it is not my intention.
Ron Paul 2012
Why do Republicans find it hard to believe that the actual job creator in this country is Government? Not rich, snobbish 1%'ers. As a Democrat, you might have a chance at my vote with Ron Paul. You send me Romney and you can hang it up for another 4 more years for Obama.
trust2112
I know I have probably over posted on this link, but I have to ask.
If the government creates a job, who pays the bill? The taxpayers.
The government can only create jobs that are funded by the taxpayers, either directly or through subsidies. Yes, they can spend money we don't have to hire people into government, or they can subsidize through certain crony companies employment, but it still comes down to the taxpayer paying the bill.
You are right, the rich, snobbish 1% do not really hire many. It is people like myself, who own their own small businesses that hire when the market demands more work from my company. None of it comes through government. It comes from the economy moving forward, as we are clearly not.
Counting on the government to fix our problems has never been the solution in any recession. It is the American spirit that drives us ahead, refusing to accept the cards we have been dealt, and changing out the dealer.
I agree about Romney, he appears to me as a fake, plastic man, which has been the status quo from which we have been forced to choose, and I am sure RP would welcome your support.
I would never count on the government to do anything, except the wrong thing for the American People. Unless you're one of those "Corporate" peoples.
Hey John, do you think that might be the main driving force of why taxes were illegal, up until WWII? We didn't need to subsidize the poor or broken, we had kindness to do that. But Capitalism doesn't feed kindness and we've turned into a bunch of hoarding zombies who want it all for ourselves, damned be anyone who gets in the way. You know, fine Republican/ Christian morals ;)
John,
I am not offended, and I understand exactly what you mean. One of the biggest and main reasons that most of us are against marijuana being illegal is the fundamental VIOLATION of our constitutional RIGHTS. A vast majority actually virtually ALL of us are waaaay more responsible than boozers, when it comes to getting behind the wheel and toking up around children and other deeds and actions that require resposnsibility. I mean I am a grown adult in the privacy of my own home bothering nobody, minding my own business. There NO victim, the only crime being commited is being commited by the government. Who the hell do they think they are trying to tell me what I can and can't put into MY own body!!! Do they OWN me??? Do they OWN you??? Are we their PROPERTY??? I fully understand the need for laws, I am NOT a lawless man but when they start to DICTATE to us what we can and can't put into our own bodies, well the line has to be drawn somewhere on the LIMITS of their power and control. We are a free nation a SELF governing nation. Our constitution guarantees that we are to be safe from an independent self serving government that only looks out for its own intrests and cares NOTHING for its citizens. WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE GOVERNMENT at least that is what is supposed to be. That means that you sir are the government and I am the government and anyone else reading this that is an AMERICAN CITIZEN is the US government, so what happened? We got lazy that's what happened. We got complacent that's what happened. And the people that we elected to represent us and watch and maintain our house, our employees, decided that they wanted to own our house and control we the owners. The employees decided that you were too immature and too dumb and not intelligent enough to take care of your self in your PRIVATE life. They decided to treat you like a child, and said you can't do this or that and yes you may be in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s and even 70s and older but you are NOT able to make decisions for yourself we are smarter than you so we will decide for you what you can and can't put into your own bodies. Hell they are even trying topass messures to make it so that you need a prescription to take vitimins and other NATURAL herbs from health food stores. If we don't get control of the situation WE will lose ALL of our RIGHTS and FREEDOMS. And it won't matter if you are liberal or conservative. I said on another post that the Democrats and Republicans DO have at least one thing in common and that is they are doing their best to take away and destroy ALL of our rights and freedoms most very slowly and methodically like a boaconstrictor, all the while we are bickering and name calling like little 2nd or 3rd grade SPOILED BRATS, about conservative this or liberal that. Our contry's freedom wasn't won by division but by UNITY and mature grownups that knew how to put petty childish differences or any differences aside.
Ron Paul will win the nomination on the 2nd ballot. I can't wait. After all of the cheating by the establishment and the RNC breaking their own rules to anoint Mitt it will be nice to see them get what they deserve.
trust2112
I think people were always greedy to an extent. The thing that changed was from helping a neighbor in need by cooking them meals, to not feeling the humanity to help that neighbor because of the idea that we don't have to because the government taxed us and took over the responsibility to do the same thing. It doesn't mean the humanity is gone, we just relegated the job to the government who does a piss poor job of it.
Here is a case that follows along those lines. Planned Parenthood had funding cut by Komen foundation because of religious objection that they spend 3% of their money on abortions and abortion education. Within one week, they had received enough donations from private sponsors to cover what they had lost. It proved that people valued it, felt it necessary, and were humane enough to fund it personally. The humanity is still there.
paul who?
You know the guy that just took Nevada and Main this weekend! Mitt who?
BINGO Citizen!
so i write ' Paul who ' and my comment is collapsed by the community.' what community? the elect Paul community? you may as well dig up dewy and Truman and have them run as dead men, they have the same chance as Paul of being president. sensor-ship is a bad policy even for msnbc. no ones comments should be collapsed for any reason. if i don't agree with someone i either answer or ignore the comment but the idea that the comment is sensored is offensive. it reminds me of the old statement " if bongs are outlawed ...................................." seems like there are some outlaws at work doing sensor-ship.
Welcome to the "Newsvine" Joe. Comments get collapsed all the time for no real reason.
RON PAUL 2012" Join the Revolution!
Actually, if a comment has been collapsed, human nature takes over and you must open it too see what "Society" has claimed as "Taboo". It's a neat psychological trick to get a response, whether positive or negative.
Finally, took long enough. I mean I'm not 100% Paul... but he has better ideas than most of the GOP. AND he actually has a pair.
Ron Paul would probably make more changes as a governor of a state than change the status quo of the entire federal government. There are too many leeches on the body, too many ticks, too many on the teat and these barnacles will be extremely hard to shake off, especially the war-hawks and military industrial complex, the lobbyists and the congress at large
Rebbie33:
And government created parasites ..... Like tape worms living off the nutrients at the expense of the host taxpayer.
@Rebbie33
As President Ron Pauls greatest tool would be the veto. That alone would save us billions each year.
Charles Cragin and John Carlson can go, you know, fish. If I had to pick between Romney and Paul it's Paul all the way. I may not like all of his ideas but at least I know what they are.
Obama and Romney are too alike for me to get behind either. And with both of them I have to look at what they did - not what they said they would do.
Rebbie, geez, dude, your menagerie is running amok. Tick Wrangler Paul in 2020!!
Mitt Romney is such a respectable guy; honest, intelligent, hardworking, cares about the average American... not just the richest 1% ...OOPS, wrong guy...I guess the correct term for Mitt Romney is... despicable.. : )
Unbelievable they voted for a crazy old coot. I've lost respect for Maine voters.
If Mitt Romney had won the last election 4 years ago, the Bain Capital guy would have decided to let the country go over the edge into a depression that would have made the "Great Depression" seem small in comparison. His solution as a manager is to capitalize through failure so it would seem that he would find a way to get richer as everyone else goes for broke with the exception of him and his pals.
Mr. Binkie, goes to show you that Maine voters know the difference between a sellout and a man for the U.S. Constitution!
Binkie? Really?
It's rare for someone to agree with candidate on every single topic. But I'm sure Dr. Paul would fit most people's tastes, much more so than Romney or even Obama. With the economy still in the toilet, we need a solution that doesn't "increase GDP" by making the rich richer.
Spartan - ITA. I don't support everything Ron Paul stands for but there's 2 reasons I would vote for him.
1) He reads everything he votes on. He tried to pass legislation requiring ample time to read bills before a vote after they passed the Patriot Act (a 1000 page bill) within 24 hours of introducing it. Ron Paul was one of the only Congressmen that voted against it specifically because he did not have time to read it. Its pretty disappointing that the major part of a member of Congress's job is to read and vote on bills. Obviously the vast majority of them are not reading them at all, I don't know about you but I'd lose my job if I failed to do a major part of it.
2) He doesn't follow party lines. His votes are based on what he feels is best for the country, his state, and the citizens. Not what the rest of the sheep are voting.
If the country was able to go to popular vote straight from the candidates in the primaries Paul would win hands down. Democrats will vote for Paul, but its going to be a hard sell to get Democrats to vote for Romney.
While Ron Paul isn't my personal choice, I'm happy he brings other ideas to the platform. What's more interesting is as a current GOP candidate he sticks with his ideas and does not flip flop, unlike the other GOP candidate. Ron Paul actually holds to his opinion time and time again.
Is age actually a concern? How old was Ronald Reagan? As long as he has a valid running mate, he can be considered a contender. He's intelligent, he has legitimate concerns and states ways to resolve our current problems (something Mitt has yet to do).
Ron Paul is the only candidate who can make a difference. Everyone else is the same and people think they have a choice. Bank owned media will not let you free people! The matrix is real.
Can't make a difference if not nominated and hasn't even been able to figure out how to win that nomination. Even Gingrich figured out how to get cash from one mega rich idiot. As a independent he has drawn poorly. How many times is he going to run and be rejected by the majority of voters. Thank god he is short on time and not likely to run in 2016. The matrix is a movie. A bad movie at that.
If he plays the good soldier, his son, Rand, could have a future in 2016 or 2020.
The Matrix is indeed a bad movie, but its message is valid. Historically, the best way for a government to maintain control over its constituents is to make them think they have it good, give them just enough to keep them marginally content so they don't have quite enough reason to rise up and rebel, yet not enough to allow them any real control. The powers that be are quite happy with the direction things are going, and they decided months ago who the nominee will be...someone who will either continue feeding us the same bs so they can continue to forward their agenda uninterrupted and undisturbed, or act as the foil so the incumbent has no problem getting in. It's one big chess game, and they are masters of the game. Either way, they can't lose. Checkmate...
The Paulite "He's the only one who can save us" hysteria is getting old. We've heard it every time he's run, he always loses, and the world doesn't come to an end.
But it's hard to find a more devoted political cult, so if you must join a political cult and wallow in hysteria, it's a good one.
The world hasn't ended, no. But do you know how far into debt this country is? All anyone has done about it is raise the country's debt ceiling. So far, no one in power wants to come up with plans to pay back our national debt. Ignoring it will not make it go away.
And it is foolish to think that the beliefs of our founding fathers should belong to a cult.
Romney is a Politician and Ron Paul is an American who is running for President and who has the only plan to balance the budget and cut the size of Government and get rid of the Federal Reserve. Plus he believes in our Constitution and our 2nd Amendment rights and finally he said he would repeal the last three bills that Congress and Obamination passed taking our 1st and 5 th Amendment rights away and Romney said he wouldn't. Enough said about Mr Flip Flopper.
What bill took away 5th rights? the right to not incriminate one's self ? please answer I am concerned...Not being sarcastic..
There was no bills to take away 1st or 5th amendment rights, except in the minds of hysterical Paulites.
Ron Paul is even more of a Politician than Romney, Paul has held elective offices for many more years. Just because his views are unorthodox and he constantly bucks the system and he rarely ever gets any bills passed, that doesn't make him any less of a politician.
No bill - the oxymoron of acronyms - the patriot act. Which btw, violates the 9th amendment - "the enumeration of certain rights in the constitution shall not be construed to deny or disparage rights already retained by the people."
" protect first, your right to choose your own government & your right to bear arms lest that government no longer represent you". Thomas Jefferson.
Please respond.
So there is no " Taking Away of the fifth" I mean seriously how could they make you testify since Obama did away with waterboarding..It is funny how they say Obama is taking away freedom...What the freedom for Bushies to take people to black sites and torture them ?
Obama signed the National Defense Authorization Act(NDAA) which allows the detainment of US citizens indefinitely without due process. The 5th amendment states that no one can "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"
In 2008 he stated his disapproval of the war on drugs, but instead enforced the efforts even further. Suspects arrested under suspicion of manufacturing or distributing illegal substances are Not guaranteed the right to an attorney as well as being subject to Asset Forfeiture. Homes, vehicles, and personal belongings believed to be involved are seized and sold back to the public through state auction. The 5th amendment states "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."
Obama signed HR 347 which makes protesting near a building or area occupied by the President or government officials worthy of an arrest and felony charge. So protesting in front of the white house is no longer legal.
The first amendment includes "the right of the people peaceably to assemble."
Also signed Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement(ACTA) which can take down websites, again with no fair trial.
And he signed the Natural Disaster Resilience Program (NDRP), which gives government the legal right to seize agricultural resources, energy, health & human services, civil transportation, water resources, and construction materials as well as employ workers without compensation.
cragin.. u need to borrow some of john boners tissues.. and then get over it.. rommney is a class a loser..
The election is rigged......It will be Romney vs. Obama. Ron Paul had no chance from start. He is the only REAL American running for President who still believes the constitution is a valid document.
The two party system has monoplized the American politics and perverted the government.
In less than 50 years, the Democratic party has become America's Socialist party while the Republican Party has become the former Democratic Party. The Libertian Party has become the true conservative party vacated by the former Republican Party.
Too bad so many voters have been politically brainwashed by the media into believing the nonsense issued by the two front runners.
The GOP has become the National Socialist Party and the Democrats represent the regular right-center-left....They have blue dogs and liberals and moderates...The GOP only has extremists like Paul Ryan and Michelle Bachmann and all of the newly elected teaparty governors...
You got it totally backwards...That is how fox news screws up your brain..
It is funny when I spell checked Bachmann was underlined and when I clicked on it Eichmann was the first choice to correct it....Remember him from the Third Reich?
"The election is rigged"? Really? Is that the excuse you're going to give to overturn the primary votes? That sounds a lot more like "rigging" to me.
Try reading the nomination rules...straw votes DO NOT determine the winner...the delegates do. Also rule 38 shows there are no such thing as bound delegates. If they want Romney they need to be as involved as we Ron Paul supporters are, or more. Otherwise we have rigged nothing...we have followed to rules to the letter and won fair and square.
BTW, popularity is an informal logical fallacy and no way to run a country anyways. Argumentum ad populum is polling a lynch mob and wondering why they keep voting for lynching...it's mob rule in a sportscoat. Hence why the judicial system and the Republican Convention system is not based on it.
Depsite what your Chomsky wet dreams tell you, democracy fails and sucks. No justice or logical conslusion ever came from an informal logical fallacy and bloodlust (democracy).
Maybe it is Ron Paul's time to be the flavor of the month and drive the clown car.
I just had to post to point out that I came first. I win.
I was so hoping Ron Paul would get a legitimate win, it would certainly shake up the Republican status quo - but it hasn't happened and probably won't.
So, I guess we'll just have to settle for convention takeovers and little backroom deals to see Ron Paul as the nominee... Democrats everywhere are smiling...
CM, you're delusional. Obama DOES NOT want to debate Ron Paul...he's only smiling if Romney is who he gets to run against. Paul will destroy Obama and rip his base apart on war, war on drugs, civil liberties, etc.
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Nice work on that!
Very Nice Work!
LMAO..... Wheres Amy the Liberal Mainer? She is probably out washing herself in Casco Bay!
Only the "nut jobs" are left in the Maine Republican Party.
Charles Cragin said "the Paul-led delegation may not be recognized at the national convention because of violations of rules of procedure". This claim has been made by several Romney supporters. Would the reporter please ask Mr. Cragin to enumerate specifically which violations of rules of procedure occurred? Thanks.
You know that question won't be asked because there were no violations made :)
...Ron Paul 2012.....
I believe it they had to do that, they would have to admit that most of the violations have been made by the RNC ....in the way they have been trying to shut down Ron Paul support by violating their own party and caucus rules.
romneys people were caught cheating in maine and nevada,so maybe THEY shouldnt be allowed to be recognized at the national convention!
Just the other day I read an article here about Santorum's 'shoe-string' budget. Short of committing a federal crime, you hardly hear anything about Ron Paul. Yet both seem to have more passionate supporters than Mitt Romney. As an independent not affiliated with either party, it would appear to me that they Republicans are literally struggling with themselves to support Romney.
I'm not trying to state any facts. This is merely my observation.
Excuse me but haven't we had enough rah rah rah and passion? I'm tired of the never ending political carnival. Isn't it about time for some serious management for that bloated carcass on the Potomac? I for one am ready for some big time dullness.
@Cincinnati Rick
I wasn't advocating for Paul, Mr. Romney, or the Republican party in general. As I've stated in my post, I don't affiliate with either political party. That being said, everyone has one or more issues that they're passionate about. Seeing that Mr. Romney is the (supposedly) Republican candidate, I find it interesting that the Republicans do not seem to be passionate about him. To me, this would suggest that what he does or doesn't stand for isn't resonating with his party's base.
My passion is for candidates, regardless of political affiliation, who are willing to work with other politicians for the overall good of our society. It seems they are becoming more and more scarce in the political climate we currently live in.
The Ron Paul concept of government will have us all using outdoor plumbing and walking to work.
Right because without Big Government, America would've never grown to become the most innovative and prosperous nation in the history of mankind.
Spot on Mr. Allyn. Spot on.
Although if you actually are right, at least we'd all have jobs.
So? We'd all be a helluva lot healthier!
Jym Allyn
When government actually fixes problems rather than creating them, I will gladly fund Gingrich's moon colony.
And I don't know if you have ever even listened to the man, but his concept of government to me is for it to mind it's own @!$%#ing business. Which sounds good to me.
Jym alyn
"The Ron Paul concept of government will have us all using outdoor plumbing and walking to work."
That is a bunch of bull crap and you know it. You'll all be walking to work if obama has his way if you can't afford an electric car.
As far Ron Supporters being nut jobs. Well it looks like nut jobs are catching on and there is nothing they can do about it
You are blowing hot air Mr. Allyn, the only place Ron Paul wants to take us back to is a time of 'Constitutional correctness', a time which disallows ownership of government by the Wall street elitist and a time when states and local communities had more control over local matters..........
The only people who would dislike a Ron Paul presidency is the war mongers and those beholden to Wall street..............Go Ron Paul
jym, what are you talking about??? if you are going to just make up nonsense, you can at least do a better job than that. do you not realize that every intelligent person reading that is laughing at you??
I've read some really, really stupid comments on blogs before but yours is, by far, the most ignorant. Maybe you should read about Ron Paul BEFORE you spout such nonsense.
PAUL was the only politician in 08 who spoke out against the Iraq farce, for that I sent him money, and certainly any debate between Obama and Romney will be a vapid affair, I'd much rather witness one between Paul and Obama. He raised some great perspectives regarding drugs, war, taxes. The Republicans didn't deserve him, he outshone them all. What a bevy of clowns they were, and Romney has continued to shock and awe with his misplaces adages about this and that. The problem was all along that nobody could beat Obama without a major scandal, so they weren't really running, just selling their individual wares and collecting money to rig the congressional elections. That's all they know how to do, lie and rig elections. Watch out folks, when it's time to balance congress and you're not sure you care, because those are the elections that count! The President is a figurehead for the company he keeps, which in the case of the Republicans will be the same crowd that brought us Katrina, Iraq, 911, and the depression, let's call a spade a spade.
Hi molly, the republicans fear Ron Paul as much as the democrats, fungus does poorly in sunlight.
Obama spoke out against the war in Iraq and then ended it...Dennis Kucinich also spoke out against it.
He was the only Republican that did not the only politician because there were several others I am not mentioning..
sw philly
Just for clarity, President Obama ended the Iraq war on a timetable laid out and signed by Bush. You can look it up. Just as any new President will be subject to being in Afghanistan for another decade and paying them to do so, because of what the President just signed.
Obama did not end the war in Iraq. The United States was contractually obligated to do so.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but we are not out of Iraq. There is over 40,000 of the military that is still there, but now has been reclassified as private or contractors to hide the fact that we are still there. What Obama said was just another bold face lie to the people. Some of our troops/soldiers are taking care of poppie fields in Afghanistan, helping with the crops, harvesting, guarding and whatnot for/with heroin. The US government tells people about the war on drugs but behind closed doors so to speak they themselves traffic drugs. They need to bring the troops home and stop all the BS lies for greed/power.
Nobody is perfect, but Ron Paul is the best choice of an imperfect person that I would like to see become president!!! Ron Paul 2012!!!!
OMG mainstream media reports on a true Patriotic American. This is a day I will not forget and for the first time in a long time I feel good to be an American. Down with corporate fascism and Yes to the constitution, smart money and free markets. I'm proud of you MSN, extremely proud of you.
A Ron Paul presidency at this time would be the best possible unit-er, the republican and democrats in Congress would be forced to work together for the common cause in order to prevent Paul from seriously reducing the military and abolishing the EPA, they would have to unite in order to override Ron Paul vetoes.
I love it, would it not be grand to see rational compromise in Congress once again......Dr. Paul is the perfect bitter pill.......he's got my vote
Run with it Ron Paul, run with it right to the Convention. No specail person is designated to go to the White House, even if Mitt and Ann thinks so. I wil probably give you my vote as you make more sense to me than Romney
Ain't that the truth...The media keeps telling us that Romney is the forgone conclusion for the Republican party...They told us that once before .... and look what happened...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-chicagodays-deweydefeats-story,0,6484067.story
I believe it's time to prove them wrong again....
I will not vote for Romney. If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination, then I will vote for Gary Johnson.
Micheal Those were my sentiments exactly.
...or maybe Donald Duck ? ...or Mickey Mouse ?
Gary Johnson has 6% in the national polls. If we can bump that up to 15% he can be in the debates like Ross Perot in 1992. But unlike in 1992, the mainstream candidates are so weak that Johnson could actually have a shot!
Michael,Ted,Ryan,
...Would it not be wiser to write in Ron Paul instead? After all you just said that you would support him if he was the Republican nomination...right? So why woud you not continue to support him in the general election? It doesn't make sense to me...
As far as I am concerned, the Party” has lost their way and I don’t wish to attend ( the Party is over). Instead, I will vote my conscience and offer my vote to Ron Paul ( Even if I have to write it in with a crayon).
As far as I can tell, the GOP has a choice to make:
Ron Paul supporters are not going to “roll over” for the Party….So, the GOP can either get on board with us…or they can lose the election and the Party…..because Mutt…er Mitt can’t win without us…and we aren’t budging from our support of Dr. Paul. The ball is firmly in the GOP’s court now….let’s see what they do with it.
I’m voting for Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012….and I approved this message.
Gary Johnson will actually have the Libertarian party supporting him, just like Ron Paul did back in 1988. That will likely get Johnson more votes than "write-ins" for Ron Paul, and having similar Libertarian philosophies should make the choice for Libertarian minded voters real easy.
But ultimately it really doesn't matter - be a staunch Libertarian and vote for Johnson, or be a fanatical Paulite and write-in Ron Paul, neither one has a chance.
If Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination I'll vote for Obama...just to make the Republicans lose so we can have another liberty candidate in 2016 as opposed to 2020 or 2024 (if Romney were to win).
Hey republicans, don't you get it, most of you don't like romney.
Republicans, having largely surrendered their status as the vehicle of
choice for the Establishment, are a natural opposition. They have very little
confidence in the capacity or integrity of government. Their solutions to our
problems do not lie in a powerful central government but in the private sector.
Their view of the public interest, consistent with the liberals who founded
this nation, is that it is an amalgam of all the private interests in
society…not something larger or higher.
The best and brightest with such a philosophy will not be drawn to the
carnival of political life. It would appear, running against that
generalization, that Romney has something of a "calling" to
service...perhaps his father's unfinished business? It is clear that he is head
and shoulders above the rest of this pack but it is equally clear that
participation in the carnival is painful and awkward for him. It will be an
interesting election if he is the nominee: one man who is only comfortable and
capable of campaigning vs. one who is only comfortable and capable of managing.
Romney is ill suited to the modern Presidency, yes indeed. And, it's more
than him just being a stiff unlikely to make any but Mormon hearts skip a beat.
I would suggest that the modern "imperial" Presidency is something
that needs to be reformed into something more akin to what the founders had in
mind...quite explicitly, an executive. Ron Paul is ideologically driven on this
point but his arguments have some merit.
I see Romney as temperamentally suited to a Presidential role more in
conformity with the letter and spirit of the Constitution. Maybe that's why
Paul laid off Romney despite their significant policy differences. He knew that Gingrich or Santorum would use the Presidency to trample on individual liberties just as much as Obama or Bush....just with a different agenda.
none of them will ever be President of the United States of America!
Not Ron Paul nor Mitt Romney!
:-)
OBAMA2012
Still drinking tyrant koolaid, eh?
You sound like Romney supporters.
Ignore the tyranny, nothing to see here...just give me my freebies from government. Handouts please!
Come on independents, if Ron Paul does not get nominated vote for johnson. If we do not tell the parties how we feel, do we expect them to read our minds. Leave nothing to chance, deny obama or romney a majority. Show them that they have no mandate.
very good idea! As more you right leaning citizens / indepents split your votes between Romney, Paul or whomever, as better it is for Obama! :-)
Ah well volker, I had rather see Ron Paul lose the presidential election as to see romney win.
Change you can really believe in, Ron Paul.
Not necessarily true, Volker. Obama supporters as well as Romney supporters are splitting for the Libertarian party.
Take me, for example. I'll be voting for Gary Johnson this fall---you could say I was a stolen Obama vote.
IWonder-932455,
Please see my comment at #20.4
Thanks, AJ
Yeah average, I'll write him in as well. Getting people to write a person in is like fighting windmills. The chief thing, so far as I am concerned, is to vote to help the country.
I'm up for fighting those windmills, glad to see you're onboard.
we RON PAUL supporters will NEVER vote for or support a candidate like romney just because a political party establishment says so. any candidate who does not center his campaign on the principles of liberty and the constitution is part of the problem, NOT the solution.
vote RON PAUL to end the foolish wars, balance the budget, legalize liberty, and restore the constitution !!
The Ron Paul supporters (of which I am not one, I'll be voting for President Obama) actually do have a chance at the convention, and it's Mitt Romney's fault, he committed a rather serious crime, which could come back to bite him in the ass.
In 2010, Mitt Romney invited the cameras to document him going into a booth for a historical vote. It was January, and Massachusetts was electing a new Senator to replace the late Ted Kennedy. Mr. Romney wanted everyone to see his support for the man that was to be the GOP savior for the US Senate, the man that promised to (and later did the opposite) strike the final blow to the "Obamacare" legislation. Mr. Scott Brown.
Mitt was there for his party! He cast his vote proudly for Brown! So what's the problem? In 2010, Mitt Romney didn't live in Massachusetts. Mitt Romney had moved to California, didn't even own property in Massachusetts. He even lied on his voter registration, listing his place of residence as an address located in the unfinished basement of his son, Tagg. Massachusetts law defines a residence for voter registration purposes as “where a person dwells and which is the center of his domestic, social, and civil life.” Anyone found guilty of committing voter fraud faces up to five years behind bars and a fine of $10,000.
The Obama campaign is sitting on this scandal for now, it will, however, be released in the mainstream media this summer, before the GOP convention. Mitt Romney, may actually be disqualified as a presidential candidate, especially if Massachusetts decides to prosecute.
Republicans want America to take voter fraud incredibly seriously, they've told us so many times in the past year or so. Let's see just how seriously they take voter fraud.
VERY good info - if it's true and can be proven.
Romney has so many skeletons in his closet, I don't know, if he even needs another one, to stumble over his own feet :-)
For example...
...someone, who wants to become President of the USA, has a Swiss Bank Account? There are only two reasons to have a Swiss Bank Account: Hedging against the dollar or avoiding paying fair share in taxes." (Not included: "being Swiss.") !!!
Don't know wheher you are ill-informed or deliberately misleading. US citizens must pay income tax on all of their income NO MATTER WHERE ON EARTH IT OCCURS. What would be the nefarious purpose of revealing that you had a Swiss bank account if, as Romney did, you paid the taxes on that income?
As for hedging against the dollar, with Obama and Bernanke printing dollars like crazy, how much longer can the dollar remain the world's reserve currency? Every intelligent investor is doing it to some extent right now, first and foremost your hero, Georg Soros...the man bankrolling MoveOn.org.
Which is total tyranny and makes no sense.
Tax evasion is civil disobedience. I don't like Mitt or Obama, but if they cheated on their taxes I'd be more proud of them, not less.
If any other institution or person (directly or by proxy) "taxed" you, you'd rightfully call it extortion. But all morality goes out the window when the state does it...which shows a lack of ethics and logic on your part.
Tax is extortion on the threat of kidnapping (prison) by a mafia (state), carried out by by thugs by proxy (cops), and if you refuse the thug's attempt to kidnap you for refusal to pay the extortion, they kill (murder) you.
That's the objective reality. You can make excuses for this with pragmatic reasoning if you like, but it won't make it moral, logical, or necessary. It just means you're afraid to think of alternatives.
The mondset you have is:
"I've only seen a monkey ride a bicycle. I never saw a man or bear ride one. Therefore only monkeys can ride bicycles."
Everything the government does is a market demnaded service and be done privately without extortion funding it.
The mindset you have is:*
Everything the government does is a market demanded service and can be done privately without extortion funding it.*