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In this 1984 file photo, President Ronald Reagan addresses a session with House Republicans in Washington on Capitol Hill, appealing for support of a three-year $150 billion deficit reduction plan. Next to the podium are Vice President George Bush and Rep. Jack Kemp, R-N.Y., right.
No president running for re-election in rocky economic times can escape the monthly jobs report, and Friday's numbers brought disappointing news -- the jobs picture has slowly improved in recent months, but will it be enough for President Obama to be able to declare "it's morning in America again?"
Even though there are no exact parallels in electoral history, Ronald Reagan in the spring of 1984 was -- and Obama right now is – a first-term president leading a country slowly and painfully creeping its way out of a severe recession.
By some measures the recession of 2007-2009 and its long aftermath are worse than what Reagan had to contend with, partly because the recent recession was accompanied a crisis in global financial markets.
Alan Krueger, Council of Economic Advisers Chairman, offers his view on the latest nonfarm payrolls number and the state of U.S. job recovery.
Our view today of Reagan’s re-election triumph in November of 1984 is colored by everything we know now that he and his critics didn’t know in the early summer of 1984.
Despite an unsteady performance in his first debate with his Democratic opponent Walter Mondale, Reagan eventually prevailed in a landslide, winning nearly 60 percent of the popular vote and carrying every state but Mondale’s home state of Minnesota.
By the beginning of 1984, Reagan had endured several politically damaging missteps such as his proposal to cut Social Security early retirement benefits by more than 30 percent and to delay cost-of-living increases for retirees. “Despicable,” growled Democratic House Speaker Tip O’Neill. “A rotten thing to do.”
The unemployment rate which had peaked in November and December of 1982, fell sharply throughout 1983 and the first few months of 1984 before flattening a bit. By the time voters went to the polls in November, the last pre-election report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics showed 7.4 percent unemployment -- the highest number a president has ever been re-elected with.
Remarkably, from April of 1983 to April of 1984 the economy was generating an average net increase of more than 360,000 jobs every month. Compare that job growth to the less robust current numbers: from April of 2011 to April 2012, there’s been an average net increase of 159,000 jobs every month.
Although during Obama’s presidency the unemployment rate has never hit the 10.8 percent level it reached in the 1982 recession, it reached 10 percent in October 2009 and has fallen slowly to 8.1 percent—compared to 7.7 percent in April of 1984.
Mitt Romney's advisor Eric Fehrnstrom responds to Friday's jobs report, saying it is extraordinarily weak, and that the Obama campaign should change their slogan from "forward" to "backward."
What’s especially striking when one compares the Reagan era to what’s happening today is the contrast in long-term unemployment. The number of long-term unemployed, those jobless for 27 weeks or longer, peaked in June of 1983 at nearly 2.9 million; the number of long-term unemployed hit 6.7 million early in 2010 and still stands at more than 5 million, according to Friday’s report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
The average number of weeks of unemployment peaked at 21 weeks in mid-1983 while the average weeks of unemployment soared to more than 40 weeks last year and remains at 39 weeks.
And the long-term unemployed are a far higher percentage of jobless people than was the case in Reagan’s first term as president. In the spring of 1984, the long-term unemployed accounted for about one in every five jobless people; but according to Friday’s BLS report, 41.3 percent of the jobless last month were long-term unemployed. (Some of this longer-lasting unemployment is due to the extension of unemployment insurance benefits.)
In the media commentary of the spring of 1984, there was a consensus that the economy had improved enough for Reagan have a good chance of winning a second term – although the economy was far from the only issue that Democrats were trying to use against Reagan.
Mondale was talking on the campaign trail that spring about the CIA’s mining of Nicaraguan harbors and Reagan's “utterly irresponsible” policies in Central America. Soon he warned, “America could be involved in full-scale war in Central America.”
New York Times economics columnist Lenard Silk wrote in mid-April 1984 that “While the economic recovery increases the odds of President Reagan's re-election, relatively high unemployment persists in different parts of the country and could hurt him in some key states.”
Silk suggested that perhaps Democrats would shift the campaign focus to a different economic issue: “Despite the overall rise in the economy and in the average level of real disposable income, the ‘fairness’ issue, or unequal distribution of gains and losses from the Reagan programs, is one that the Democrats may be able to exploit, and to which Mr. Reagan seems extremely sensitive.”
He speculated that, “The 1984 election could be more of a ‘class’ conflict than the 1980 election was, and this could work to Mr. Reagan's disadvantage.”
Even though he’s the incumbent and not the challenger, as Mondale was in 1984, Obama has for months made a “fairness” argument to voters, saying that upper-income people ought to pay higher taxes.
As for the jobs data, Obama’s chief economic advisor Alan Krueger gave CNBC a guarded assessment Friday morning: “Given the problems that the U.S. economy has had over the past decade -- problems that have been building for quite some time – we need faster job growth. We have a very large jobs deficit…. We need more job growth in this country and the president is trying to do the things to hasten job growth.”
He argued that if Congress had passed some of Obama’s proposals such as sending more federal money to cities and local governments to hire and retain public school teachers and firefighters, “then I’d think we’d be having better growth.”
But he said “the economy is continuing to heal and confidence remains strong.”
The Obama campaign has yet to offer its version of the soothing, feel-good ad the Reagan campaign began airing in May of 1984: “It’s morning again in America.”
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is this a joke article?......reagan loved america and the american people......and on the other hand obama is a liar, a distorter, and a divider who panders for votes by appealing to resentment, jealousy, envy, race, class warfare and on and on........
Did MSNBC seriously just try to liken Obama to Reagan?
I just puked in my mouth again. Puh-lease! He's going down like Carter.
Oh brother, I am in complete disbelief...
That's what happens when you're so blinded by partisanship you can't see the mood of people in the country outside your immediate circle. Obama will be reelected.
O my god....Obama is nothing like Reagan, nor will he ever be!
Oh wait! it just dawned on me that the lamestream media heard about those "Reagan Democrats", and they're trying to win them over with this preposterous article. Guffaw!
You're right. Obama is nothing like Reagan. You'll never find Obama saying that missiles can be recalled after launch, for example. Obama is a knowledgeable, nuanced, sophisticated leader. Reagan was a nice guy who knew what he knew and didn't want his simplistic view of the world distorted by facts. All Reagan disciples should read The Acting President by Bob Schieffer and Gary Paul Gates.
Wow, there's an MSNBC comparison I didn't see coming.
SAT comparison: Obama is to Reagan, as Totalitarianism is to Freedom.
Obama is as well liked as Reagan, and has a bigger recession that he has had to deal with.
Republicans put Reagan up on a pedestal. However, this was the administration that started the "starve the beast" policies that have got us where we are today.
No more trickle down economics. Americans won't stand for it.
Those are two names that should never be put together. What a joke. I had the honor of serving President Reagan. These two are polar opposites. One loves America and one wants to destroy America.
Old Vet You are seriously misguided.
MSDNC is waving the pom poms long and strong
"No....Next question."
It's very easy, just look at the actual record.
Let's see, the President that started the policies of "starve the beast" that led to our current financial state "loved America"?
It would seem to me, that Obama in countering those policies loves America much more. After all, Obama is for the middle class. Reagan redistributed the funds to the 1%.
I don't know TBH. Reagan was way worse.
Watergate aside, the GOP hasn't had a great POTUS since Nixon.
Remember Obama said in an interview early in his term that he would rather be a great one term president then a mediocre two term. Unfortunately for Obama he can be neither. He will go down in history as the worst president ever. Jimmy Carter is finally off the hook.
Got to love the libs that complain about Reganomics, when Bill Clinton was the recipient of 12 solid years of Republican leadership. Handed a booming economy that all he had to do was take credit and try not to screw it up.
mcpaddyquack - How dare you comment that this president does not love his country! You are the worst of the worst and those who think like you are the lowest denominater. If he has failed he will not get re-elected but do not make it because he does not love his country as much as Regan.
You have NO clue what is in his heart and he has done nothing to even suggest that. He would not be as poplular as he his if the american people thouht he hated this country. The only reason he might not win, is the economy and people wanting to make a change.
His numbers are better than any single republican out there, includes congress and any of the other candidates that were running for president and that is with the economy the way it is.
If you want to defeat him then do it on merit, if you can sit there and tell me your party is the party of the Truth Tellers, than you have no sense of reality and are likely a bigot of some kind. In fact I would be surprised to learn anything else.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3242/
"First to go is the myth that Reagan was the most popular president since FDR. Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting reminds us, “During the first two years of Reagan’s presidency, the public was giving President Reagan the lowest level of approval of all modern elected presidents. Reagan’s average first-year approval rating was 58 percent–lower than Dwight Eisenhower’s 69 percent, Jack Kennedy’s 75 percent, Richard Nixon’s 61 percent and Jimmy Carter’s 62 percent.” At the end of his second year, (remember the Reagan recession?) Reagan’s approval rating was 41 percent; after the Iran-Contra scandal was revealed, Reagan’s approval rating stood at 46 percent. His approval rating for his entire presidency was lower than Kennedy’s, Eisenhower’s and even Johnson’s, and at times he was one of the most unpopular presidents in recent history."
You have a funny view of history.
Unemployment: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45541000/gif/_45541953_us_unemployment_gr466.gif
Poverty: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_poverty_rate_timeline.gif
Debt as % GDP: http://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2008/9/15/saupload_debt_vs_gdp.jpg
Shall I keep going?
I have to agree, President Obama is nothing like President Reagan: Obama did not negotiate with terrorists to keep Americans held hostage just to win an election. He has not conducted any covert wars in central america, he has not cut and run from any countries just because terrorists bombed a military base, he has not proposed taking money from the poor and elderly just to give it to the wealthy, he has not wage a war on women.... so for all of the things that President Obama has not done that President Reagan did do I thank God President Obama is not like President Reagan.
Oh, one more thing, President Obama has not attempted to put into place voodoo economic policies which are designed to bankrupt the nation and desstroy the republic.
Compare Obie to Reagan? Get real MSNBC.
Little Eric will spin the virtues of Obama to no end, but Progressive tactics just haven't worked well since FDR and his new deal. It took a war to end this policy scheme.
Then there was LBJ with the war on poverty. How's that working today? Billions of dollars were spent then and today the Obama administration is spending trillions of dollars more.
So today, it's reported that what, 1 in 5 families are on food stamps or some other form of government intervention. Unemployment is really high, not the 8.1% reported by the administration, job s are down with savings almost gone for most people. Housing is a poor situation, grocery prices increasing and gasoline higher than ever.
So how can the liberals continue to support this administration?
Wow, dirp, nice recitation of some thirty year old DNC talking points! Now, how about something a little more up to date, and possibly containing a verifiable fact or two?
It's easy to support this administration they support the middle class.
Republicans got us in this financial crisis.
Ronald Regan quoted
"Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country."
-Ronald Reagan
You can't compare Obama to Reagan... When Reagan went into office the United States was not in 2 wars that was costing us billions a day... are banks were not falling and or our housing or even our jobs. I'm so sick of people comparing any President to the other. When Reagan was president we didn't have the computer technology we do today that have eliminated jobs. We didn't have deregulation on corporations. Reagan didn't have a congress that refused to pass anything even if it was their idea. Reagan didn't spread hate like the GOP does today. Mitt is an empty suite who has no plan and or clue. I'm Republican and I will be voting a straight Democratic ticket in 2012. And don't wast you breath to tell me I'm not Republican... I am. I refuse to let a party take down my country... its not about party lines... Its about my country and the future of now myself (GOP war on women) and my children.
Reagan was as delusional as his party is today.
Regan - united and made you proud to be American
Obama - divides and puts American vs American
This Reagan 1964 speech that made him famous sounds nothing like Obama.. The message sounds just like Ron Paul.. No wonder Ronald made Ron Paul part of the original gang when he went to Washington.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt1fYSAChxs&list=FL1ku-rw7YzF89yGqVhYQ-oA&index=75&feature=plpp_video
Reagan was the greatest human in history, take a back seat Jesus.
Reagan was a national embarrassment when, at the D-Day anniversery, he told the story of the heroic pilot who crashed with his plane rather than crash into an elementary school. Most of the world knew that this story was from a movie and had no basis in fact. Reagan was concerned more with images than with fact, which might be expected of an actor.
Regan's greatest attribute was that he was a cheerful, flag waving optimist who made people feel better. Reagan's greatest stroke of luck was the rise of Gorbachev who made the end of the cold war possible. Republicans credit Reagan, but it was Gorbachev who changed the world. Reagan didn't know spit about economics.
No Navy, Democrats and Republicans have been divided against one another for years upon years, it's only with the advent of the internet that it's gotten worse because people, whether they have any knowledge of a subject or not, have an opinion and are now able to voice it.
But let me ask you, if you're the president and you're catching a lot of sh-it from another party, half truths, insulting spins, etc. are you going to sit there and take it? No, you're going to call them out on it. But what does it matter, if he didn't call them out on it he'd be considered a wimp for taking the beating.
No democrat will win in the eyes of your people just like no republican will win in the eyes of mine and THAT is what divides this country. You can't blame one person for dividing a nation unless it's a nation of mindless sheep? Are you a sheep, Navy?
dirp - voodoo economics? What the heck do you call the economics that Obie believes in? And what ever happened to the lady that was the chief economist appointed by Obama to use that theory of economics? Oh yeah, she went back to UC Berkley to teach young minds about failed economics.
And you are really into the Obama liberal cool aid with the balance of your disertation. Like most liberal talking points, missed the head on the nail by a yard.
Comparing obama to President Reagan? President Reagan loved America and obama hates America with every fiber of his being and wants to destroy it. What a joke LOL.
That's President Obama to you @!$%# for brains
I guess I could just say f@#k you, but that would be impolite LOL, and it is obama.
Here, I fixed the title of the article:
Can Obama be like
ReaganCarter in November?Can Obama be less like Reagan in November?
Seriously though, Obama is polling neck and neck with Romeny and MSNBC is pushing the idea that he can win 49 out of 50 states (56 out of 57 if you are Obama). That is crazy.
The polls I've seen also have obama polling even with Mitt Romney, that means obama is behind.
weaselyone.......
Wait a minute....Mr. Obama said during the 2008 campaign that he visited 56, no 57, maybe 58 States.....heck....why not 60 ?
Yeah, Mr. Obama is just like Mr. Carter, a peanut in every gallery.
Regan was handed the disaster that was the Jimmy Carter legacy. Regan fixed the mess, ended the cold war, and set the nation on the path to prosperity that took us through the beginning of Bush W's term. Clinton could have ridden the wave but he signed NAFTA, and millions of jobs have been lost as a result. NAFTA set this country on a path for which millions of jobs would leave and never be replaced.
So we had the Carter debacle. The Clinton NAFTA sellout of American workers. Now we have Obama that has spent more in one term then any previous president. We have Obama that if given a second term will add more to our national debt then ALL previous presidents combined.
So exactly what are Democrats bragging about? Oh yeah, according to Obama the killing of UBL is the single most important day of his presidency. Who would ever have thought that the killing of one terrorist wouldn't be enough to bring the jobs and the economy back?
Reading most of the above, I think some people feel voting for, or even respecting, Pres. Obama is equal to admitting a white collective guilt for slavery and agreeing it's time to pay up? Is there a counter reaction to 2008s post racial American taking place? Is the 2010 election partially a referendum on race reparations? Mr. Romney, quick, hire Rev. Jackson and Rev. Sharpton into your campaign! Such discussions are taboo, not PC and can not be even thouhgt out loud. Nonetheless, they could help make 2010 Republican.
Owebama hates the middle class> he is attempting to chock off jobs so that he gets unemployment under the 8% he promised. Lavk of jobs makes more people give up looking for work, thus lowering the "unelployment" rate. The real unemployement rate exceeds 14% if you include those giving up.
ERIC, You need a history lesson! there is nothing true to your statement at all!!!!!!!!!!
Obama will be just like Reagan, buried.
Reagan cut and ran on Beruit. Obama killed Osama.
Old Vet,
In that statement you've got one major thing very, very wrong. barack is in no way shape or form a leader. Leaders don't join in the divisional games they stand up and united people who may have differences of opinion but none the less they unite for a common cause. A leader leads people and takes credit for downfalls, a leader is someone who you will follow. I never liked slick Willie but he wisened up and woked with both sides as a leader and what do you know???? He got shi$ done!
barack will lead people who want divide and hatred to be the motivation in what they do. barack does not lead by example or strength. He's the last one through the door in the morning and the first one out at night. The name barack hussein obama and "leader" are so far to the oposite sides of the spectrum they don't even share the same chart.
The only place barack is leading anyone is right through the gates of hell. barack...leader? Not even close old vet. Using him and Reagan together in a story is like comparing LBJ and George Washington...it just doesn't make sense and it's quite obviously done for slanted media game playing.
"Obama killed Osama."
No, he didn't, the Seals killed Osama. Obama just watched the Seals kill Osama in a secure room in the White House.
What's up with the conservative bloggers?
Reagan is a socialist compared to today's standard of conservatism. Yet, we've got some conservatives still defending Reagan. Why is that?
Conservatives do realize Reagan raised taxes like, six times, right? Reagan did want the government to help people, right? Reagan compromised with the Soviets on arms control, right? Reagan increased government, adding the Department of Veteran Affairs, right? Reagan bailed out Social Security at the tune of $165 billion, right?
So, either Obama is a moderate conservative or Reagan was a bleeding heart liberal.
Pick one.
I'm laughing.
Check out all of the republicons on this site, defending to the teeth, their patron saint, Ronald Reagan.
Yet, Reagan would be unable to win a primary in their new extremist republicon world.
O'bama is as good as Reagan.
O'bama is my favorite Irish-American President, in addition to Reagan - another of my favorite Irish Amerian presidents (Lincoln, JackAss Jackson, McKinley, so on).
Reagan was the most liberal conservative to ever hold the office of POTUS, period. He raised taxes eleven times during his term(s). If Romney or any other Republican tried that, they would be lynched. In fact, in many ways, he's more liberal than Barack Obama.
I understand the comparison, although it s WAY too early to judge the Obama presidency. Reagan was our best president in the past 60 years -- in part because he followed the worst (Carter), until Carter's record was shattered by Bush/Cheney, who destroyed the country, our national treasure, our military, our respect and our fundamental economic engine. Carter merely crippled us. So, Obama's task is much greater, but as Reagan responded to the disaster he inherited, so is Obama making great strides to reviving the dead patient left by the horrors who preceded him. We'll see -- assuming we aren't so collectively stupid as to not allow Obama to continue the recovery he has been working toward.
No doubt President Obama will win in November but he won't have a 49 state sweep like Reagan did.
Agreed, this will be a close race and not a landslide.
Being likened to Reagan should be an insult. Reagan was terrible.
Jimmy Carter is glad Obama came along, he will no longer be considered the worst President ever.
As much as Republicans try and make Obama the new Carter. It doesn't stick. Obama got Bin Laden.
Romney is on record as saying he wouldn't have gone after him.
Seems like Romney is the new Carter.
The fact that people in this country even THINK Obama has a shot at winning this Fall tells you just how much damage the teachers' unions have done to the U.S. education system.
When Obama says Paul Ryan's budget is cutting programs when it is actually increasing spending, just not at the rate Obama would like, that shows you how dumb Obama thinks the American people are.....and he's counting on just that. An intelligent, educated voter WON'T vote for Obama, that's for sure. The damage his incompetence has done will be felt for generations to come.
David -1250323 The catholic bishops think it is cutting programs to the poor and giving that money to the rich. I would think that the average catholic bishop is better educated than the average voter and I know most voters in this country are as smart as you are.
Paul Ryan has admitted his core philosophy has evolved out of the writings of Ayn Rand; I guarantee you his budget is ONLY for the wealthy, everyone else can just drop dead.
Yea, the increase on defense spending more than makes up for it.
Obama Reagan like?? MSNBC and the liberals wish. Obama Carter like? Now that makes much more sense!
Bill-314065, Catholic bishops? You mean the ones that are pedophiles or tried to protect pedophiles? The ones whose moral compass is broken? Why should I trust a thing they say? I certainly don't trust their judgement on anything.
And Obama's core philosophy has evolved out of the writings of Socialist/Communist radicals like Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin, Mao, and Saul Alinsky. So what's your point?
Oh, and Bill, thanks for demonstrating you're one of the people the U.S. education system has failed. Maybe you should try thinking for yourself and stop drinking the DNC Kool-Aid and regurgitating their radical talking points.
David, you should talk about drinking the kool-aid. Go back to fox news.
Pres. Carter 'gave away' the Panama canal to Panama. It cost him the 1980 election more than any other issue - even the Iran hostages. However, it elevated America in the world and created the foundation for 20 years of prosperity.
Wow, I'm shocked anyone dared to compare Obama to Reagan. There's absolutely zero points of comparison.
But hey, if the people choose to remain deluded, that's the general populace's problem.
I can answer that with ONE QUOTE from Reagon:
My belief has always been ... that wherever in this land any individual’s Constitutional Rights are being unjustly denied, it is the obligation of the federal government - at point of bayonet if necessary - to restore that individual’s Constitutional rights Ronald Reagan, Press conference 17 May 83
Nor would Obama be a Lincoln - ”We, the people, are the rightful masters of both congress and the courts - not to overthrow the constitution, but to overthrow men who pervert the Constitution” Abe Lincoln
And he could NEVER be a George Washington. Why? Because Washington’s military wanted to make him King of the USA. Washington not only refused, he actually got angry that they would dare say anything like that when it was what they had been fighting against – being ruled, instead of self rule - which was the new government they were making.
Boy you are a real push over...Obama did not get Osama...the forces in defense of this country did. And without the help of water boarding Osama would still be alive....
Thomas: Total Bull Puckey, Carter killed the economy, remeber Stagflation, the Mysery index? The economy turned around immed after Reagan got elected. Reagan gave us 20 years of prosperity. Don't you dare rewrite history.
Reagon made GOP dumb, kick started the printing presses at the Fed, ran huge deficits based on wars, and did many other screwups.
Obama is far too better.
The only thing that Reagan did better was tell jokes - I must say. He was a great storyteller and communicator. Obama is a bit too much cerebral sometimes to connect.
Jimmy Carter is glad Obama came along, he will no longer be considered the worst President ever.
George W. Bush wins the worst president of all times award by a landslide. The devastation caused to our great country is the result of George W. Bush and his Republican Congress who brought us two unfunded wars, two unfunded tax cuts, a massive, unfunded, new entitlement, the largest expansion of government since LBJ, the largest increase in energy prices in any 8 year period in our history, along with a net loss of jobs over 8 years all while turning the largest surplus of all times into the largest deficit of all times and leaving office with the worst economy since the depressions.
The reality is no president since Kennedy had the keys to the White House turned over to him from the former president with the nation in BETTER shape than did George W. Bush and no president since FDR had the keys to the White House turned over to him from the former president with the nation in WORSE than did President Obama. It will take this nation a generation or longer to dig ourselves out of the economic disaster caused by George W. Bush and his Republican controlled Congress.
Ruken, By far the dumbest post I have ever read! PJ. If Obamas sooo smart why no grades from Havard? As far as cerebral BAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA! How many clips of the stutterer do you need to see? Ruken, Reagan bluffed the Russians with Starwars what has MR. Incompetent done?
No Ruken, more like trying to make oneself Reaganesque is an insult to Reagan.
These people called him stupid, a crazy cowboy, were appalled that he challenge the Russians. Then, the same people said how a good guy he was when he died. The same people gave him his tax cuts, increased military budget and refused to do the spending cuts he said were needed. Then they blamed HIM for not making spending cuts, the huge deficits, and refuse to admitt that 18 months after his tax cuts were in effect that the economy was turning around. Obama claims he wants the economy to turn around and be elected in a landslide, he would have done as Reagan.
The hypocrits are the liberals, not Reagan.
Reagan like Kennedy believed in lower taxes and a strong military. The worst US President was Carter- remeber US hostages taken by the Iranians? Remenber inflation? The second worse is Owebama who has placed us in enormous debt and cripilled recovery efforts by overregulation and waste. Obamacare is a joke.
just-thefacts, how many hours did it take you to think up that snappy comeback?
1. Reagan and Obama should not be used in the same sentence.
2. I last voted FOR Reagan who did you last vote FOR and not against the dumber of the two?
I hope President Obama isn't like Reagan. I wouldn't want him giving arms to IRAN, or supporting drug runners in Central America.
Eric
First of all; please catch up with today's news.
"Romney is on record as saying he wouldn't have gone after him."
Here we go again. Okay mr Eric...uh, hyuh, uh hyuh...show me where he said that. You guys throw those little stupid lines out like they're real and then 15 complete jack-asses give you thumbs up as if to say. Well yeah, that's what Romney said...yuh hu, yuh hu.
Come on mr current event. Show me the quote in context that Romney said he would not go after bin laden....show me show me show me.
Sure.
If he sends his Chief of Staff to convince the Iranians to sit on the American hostages for another 74 days so that he can win the election. Then he can give them a giant shipment of arms in exchange for the hostages. The hostages would be released moments after
ReaganObama is inaugurated.OOOppppps! I hate those 1980 flashbacks, but anyway, that is what happened to Carter. Just ask the Chief of Staff who did the dirty work. Ooooops,....I forgot. You can't ask him. Bill Casey suddenly had himself a convenient stroke just hours before he was to testify to a Senate committee on the matter. Died mysteriously not long after.
What a coincidence.
Devdoc12able "Obama Reagan like?? MSNBC and the liberals wish. Obama Carter like? Now that makes much more sense!"
Amen to that. I found it humorous that they used a picture of Reagan with the caption of 'Deficit Reduction', when all that Obama has done is dramatically INCREASE Deficits. Obama's average Deficit in each year is greater than Reagans total Deficits over all of his 8 years.
GOPisextinct "If he sends his Chief of Staff to convince the Iranians to sit on the American hostages for another 74 days so that he can win the election. Then he can give them a giant shipment of arms in exchange for the hostages. The hostages would be released moments after Reagan Obama is inaugurated" Nice try at rewriting history. The hostages were released moments after Reagan was inaugurated because Reagan tld them that if the hostages weren't released, their military would be destroyed - and they knew that Reagan meant it.
Carter was considered a weak and inept leader because he vascillated about every decision - much like Obama. The comparison of Obama to Carter is the best analogy - by far.
PS - Your 'moniker' is revealing, but current polls show that there are several million more voters that self-identify as Republicans than Democrats - a dramatic turnaround from 2008.
Rightwingwac "Come on mr current event. Show me the quote in context that Romney said he would not go after bin laden....show me show me show me."
Typical left-wing misquotes - What Romney actually said is that he wouldn't spend extra $Billions going after bin Laden, but he certainly WOULD have taken him out if he had the chance. Even that weak and inept Jimmy Carter would have made that decision - probably with less 'soul searching' than Obama did.
It was a 'No Brainer' decision, but the media likes to hype the few things that Obama actually did right.
If only we had a candidate like Reagan today. Comparing Obama to Reagan is like comparing a VW beetle and a Rolls Royce (Reagan is the Royce). I still wonder how Reagan won California. I guess Reagan's awesomeness was to powerful.
Mitt Romney 2012!
Obama like Reagan? What are they smoking at MSNBC? Reagan won because the electorate rejected the left leaning policies of Mondale. Hmmmm, who else do we know that is running for POTUS that has leaned farther and farther left? Reagan wasn't perfect - not by a long shot, but the only comparison you can make is that both President's had to face serious economic challenges.
To say that the jobs picture has been improving is to gloss over the fact that one of the reasons unemployment claims have gone down is that people have given up looking. I know of more households that now have only one person working or the 2nd income is now only a part time job. Things are NOT getting better. Housing values continue to drop. Job creation is sluggish at best. Gas is stuck at around $4/gallon. Food prices have risen so fast it makes my head spin - you know it is bad when grocery stores are not only offering their own brand, but a generic brand of many items.
No one has faith that things will turn around anytime soon. No one believes that Congress can get the job done. Many have lost faith in that "Hope and Change" thing. We have a President that has decided that rather than unite EVERYONE, it is better to try to divide and conquer. We have a media machine that has become an arm of the President's campaign - he won't even have to pay for advertisng.
Obama like Reagan? Maybe only in his dreams.
Charlie is 110% right, lets not make another mistake like "W" again !
Charlie is 110% right, lets not make another mistake like "W" again !
I'll second that.
Lesson from 1984? A weak challenger cannot defeat a weak incumbent. Romney is a weaker challenger than Mondale was.
Reagan was a 'rock 'n roll' President - Reagan was 'cool' for the times. Mondale had the charisma of a fish - his mouth moved a lot but nobody heard anything.
Since everyone has been commenting on the fluff - not the content - it is apparent that Obama has very much in common with Reagan. Reagan could present more fluff and less content than most of our Presidents.
The biggest difference between Obama and Reagan is that Obama has real accomplishments. Reagan never accomplished much of anything.
Well said Nerm_L.
Conservatives are really confusing me on the Reagan comparison. Some don't really know that Reagan would not have a chance in the GOP field today.
As bad as Reagan sucked at his job, he didn't suck enough to get the extreme right voters of today.
Reagan would be another Col. Powell, gone in the whirlwind of crazy.
Romney is trying to play down going after Bin Laden by saying 'even Carter would have done it'. Carter DID do it - remember?
Carter's mission failed - how did the 'loyal opposition' reward the President for the attempt? How did the weak Republican candidate of the time respond to that President's attempt?
That weak Republican candidate became a weak Republican President. He made a similar attempt in Libya. That mission failed because the F-111s had to carry too many CYA points to conduct an effective strike.
Is Romney supporting our country - or - is Romney just another weak, self-centered politician thinking only of himself?
Last I looked - we are the United States of America - not the Republic of Romney. Romney better begin campaigning as pro-America - instead of anti-America.
I didn't even read the article; just came here to see Republicans up in arms. I find Republican outrage to be much more entertaining. In fact, I think this article was made so that people at MSNBC could have a hearty chuckle.
What's often overlooked about Reagan is that he had to work with a Democratic majority in both the House and the Senate for both of his terms.
Obama can't even get his Democratic controlled Senate to do anything useful. He hasn't even gotten Harry Reid to pass a Budget in the Senate for ANY of Obama's four years - even though the Constitution requires it (and the Republican House has passed a timely Budget each year, only to be stymied in the Senate).
And Obama and Harry Reid have the 'gall' to blame the 'do-nothing' Congress on the Republicans.
What a joke.
Wouldn't it be great to be a fly on the wall at the Obama campaign headquarters just to find out how many of the 57 states they think he is going to win.
It would be great to be a fly on the wall in Romney's campaign office as they discuss all the government programs they are going to shut down.
I think this is hystarical! LOF'nL!!! Now the "light in the loafer liberals" are trying to compare this loooooser to Reagan. You folks aren't kidding and that is sad!!!
I think its hysterical conservatives have gone so far right that their idol Reagan seems liberal.
What's sad is seeing someone not realizing just how true that is.
I beg to differ. Reagan was the worst president in our nation's history. His moronic policies have done more damage to the country than any other president.
I didn't know Obama was a union member...
Actually he's counting on framing his opponent as "out of touch" and part of the wealthy elite. Most Americans can relate to that as wages haven't kept pace with inflation over the past 20 years.
"Incompetence"? How so? Remember GWB saddled us with 2, $1 Trillion wars. Obama brought us the head of Bin Laden. Healthcare costs are going through the roof and he, at least, has attempted to fix the problem - time will tell if this is even possible. I'm hoping his second term will garner a major effort for energy independence and the confidence in an economy free of oil price fluctuations will be our new "gold standard".
Americans want someone who can govern and provide a vision for the future. That's what the POTUS is supposed to do.
Can Romney do that? Provide the vision and direction? So far, I would say "no", that's just my opinion at this point as he's not inspired me, nor provided the details about how he will make my life a little easier and my country a little more independent of wild market swings thanks to the mismanagement of others.
The above article is a curious recounting of Reagan's re-election campaign. It certainly has all the earmarks of success for Obama. Of course, what one cannot predict is what crises await him over the coming months.
BAHAHAHAHAHHA. Obama could not hold Reagans hat for him on the longest day of his life. He has never, can't ever, and will never be anything like Reagan. Reagan hated Communism and Socialism.
TPokeys
There is one thing missing from your comparison. The man Reagan was and the correctness of his philosophies! Reagan was a success, Obama is a failure. No similarity at all between the two.
Actually in demeanor and public appearance, Romney is much like Reagan. While Obama is often an embarrasment.
Reagan stood up and said "Mr Gorbechov tear down this wall".
Obama says "Mr Karzai, lets make a deal".
The problem was he loved fascism and phony economic policies.
Obama is no Reagan, but he's no Carter, either. For starters, one of Carter's main problems (and certainly the last and strongest nail on its coffin) was his handling of foreign affairs, which continues to be a strong point for Obama.
Ridiculous comparison. Karzai is not today's Gorbachev, and Obama is not making deals with him that Reagan wouldn't make (unless you think it'd be good if our president prolonged the war in Afghanistan or escalated it). Today's Gorbachev continues to be whoever is, nominally or otherwise, Russia's president. And, may I remind you, just like Obama signed the new START treaty with Medvedev, Reagan signed the INF treaty with Gorbachev. And yes, Obama will never have the qualities that Reagan had that made our enemies fear us to death, but he's been a much more decent C-in-C than I suspect you care to give him credit for. So let's call a spade a spade, please. Not everything is black or white. Only time will tell how good a C-in-C Obama has been exactly, and I'm pretty sure he won't be regarded the best one ever, but I'm also positive that he won't be considered the worst ever, as many people seem to wish.
Shaking my head-2479300
You fail to realize that Reagan's best friend was a communist.
Mikhail Gorbachev
Throws that, "Reagan hated communists..." out the window.
TexasT & mcpaddywack are right......there is NO COMPARISON between Reagan & Obama, a patriot & uniter versus a nanny-state lover & divider (respectively). Get real folks - Obama can't bring us 'morning in America'.............all he has brought and will bring is MOURNING in America. Vote Obama out in November.
Reagan and Obama both were good orators. Reagan had to raise taxes to get out of his recession, something that Republicans should have learned to help in this recession.
The only dividers today are the Republicans that wished for Obama's failure after he was sworn in and that met and agreed to totally obstruct anything he was for.
Eric Hasn't Jim Messina emailed you any new talking points in the past 6 months in his daily emails?
Those aren't talking points, they're facts.
Republicans should look at the facts. President Obama is not the divider. That division started on day one with the Republicans.
Eric - yes those are talking points. Old ones too.
Job1 - the division in this country started with the dems against Bush. And if you don't think President Obama is a divider you are too far gone to worry about. Your comments are worthless because you are blind to the truth.
True talking points stay around a long time.
JOB1
On day one...the Republicans were mere observers of the Democrat's show in DC. The GOP had no power to stop ANY bill the Dems wanted to pass in that first year.
Funny things didn't get fixed then. Are you saying the Dems were waiting until later to fix things? And they just waited too long?
Or is it possible they never had any fixes...and the GOP is just a convenient scapegoat now that the GOP runs the House....years later
Hey nimrod can you say FILIBUSTER and BLUE DOG DEMOCRAT
Same right wing lies saying Obama had a filibuster proof Senate
John Bayner
In Obama's first year, the Democrats DID have a filibuster proof Senate...and the House doesn't allow filibusters.
Blue dog or not...they are still members of the Democratic party.
60 votes is filibuster proof, and the GOP only had 40 members.
certain democrats Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu come from red states and to not offend their redneck constituents often couldn't be counted on.
That is what is called a blue dog democrat.
If your theory was true shouldn't the debt be 20 trillion right now.
Oh...so since the dems spent eight years telling republicans how they were stupid and their leader was stupid then turnabout is fair play. Now it makes sense...this isn't a government, it's a godd-damn playground. America is doomed and it isn't the government that did it but the people who are half f-ucking retarded but just can't blame themselves for being morons.
How about we, and the government, try to grow up and do things like adults are supposed to in order to become productive. Otherwise it's going to be another civil war. We're heading there quickly. Think I'm wrong? Imagine being face to face and armed with any number of the posters here when they're running their mouth. I don't think any of us would have any trouble whatsoever pulling the trigger on another we disagree with and if you say you would you're a liar. This is where it's heading, quickly, unless we as a society unite. Of course this will be impossible because even the word "unite" is seen as dirty by the right...why bother working together for the greater good when we can just @!$%# on each other, right?
At this point maybe a civil war wouldn't be such a bad thing...
John Bayner
So you are blaming the GOP for being 'obstuctionist' in that first year because some of the Democrats aren't liberal enough.
That's HILARIOUS!
Maybe the Democrats just should have written better bills that THEIR OWN PARTY could support.
The thing is that Obama won't cut government, and that was a key part of the Reagan plan.
You can put gas in the car, but unless you turn the key the car is going nowhere...
Eric
boy is that twisted. This is a shameless Liberal Lie. What you are calling tax increases was actually removing loopholes corporations and businesses were abusing. This was putting limits on business meal expenses and entertainment (say goodbye to the 2 martini lunch kind of things). Yeah all that stuff was 100% tax deductible. One other thing about that Reagan wasn't for it, the Democrats were the ones who wrote it, passed it, and got enough republicans to vote with him (a surprisingly easy tax to do AGAINST what Liberals say).
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/08/news/economy/reagan_years_taxes/index.htm
Oh yeah, and where are all those "jobs, jobs, jobs" the republicans promised in 2010?
John
Please look up the rules of filibuster and for that matter look up what it is. Also, the debt will be 16 Trillion by the election (maybe a bit more) and that's with two years of the republicans putting a stop the baracks open checkbook policy. So I'd say your touting 20 billion is a pretty dumb number to be throwing around considering we're getting there quickly.
maxwell. You're dead on. I love how so many libs like to use the term "filibuster" to blame Republicans without having a clue of what it means. Also it's so nice when the libs conveniently forget about the grotesque amount of power barack had in those first years and still didn't get anything good for the country done. (Paraphrasing this) if we don't pass this stimulus the unemployment rate will go above 8%. How pathetic is this man? He's detrimental to the health of our nation. Make the bad man go away,
*Anyone but barack 2012*
Maxwell
There was not a filibuster proof majority in the Senate!
I'll repeat this again, just for you and all the others that continue with the Senate Super Majority lie. Here are the facts for you about "control" of the Senate. A party majority does not give you control when it comes to the Senate rules of filibuster. Every bill must have 60 votes to pass.
President Obama spoke about collective amnesia and rightly so. Apparently, there is an epidemic of selective amnesia concerning the 2009 and 2010 Senate "Super Majority".
For those who persist in the Senate Super majority lie of the 111th Congress and the continuing obstruction of the 112th Congress. So, how did anything get passed?( ie. Healthcare Reform, unemployment benefit extensions, payroll tax cuts) Ah, that dirty word -compromise. Even then and today, every bill needed votes from the Independents, Blue dog Dems and Republicans.
No matter how many times you repeat that Super Majority lie it is still a lie. Did everyone forget the Blue Dog Dems (ie. Evan Bayh, Nelson,etc?) In fact, they never had a Democratic Senate super majority because of Blue dog Dems & Leiberman(I. Conn), just another pissed off Independent that consistently votes with the Republicans even though he will caucus with the Dems. He backed McCain, didn't he?
There was never a "Senate Super Majority". The GOP/TP has set a historical record for the number of filibusters in this administration and it still continues to obstruct any bills to move us forward.
The Senate Super majority myth
January 3, 2009 - 111th Congress sworn in. 55 Democrats, 41 Republicans, 2 Independents, 2 vacant.
January 15, 2009 - Roland Burris sworn in to Barack Obama's seat. 56 Democrats, 41 Republicans, 2 Independents, 2 vacant.
April 30, 2009 – Arlen Specter changes parties. 57 Democrats, 40 Republicans, 2 Independents, 1 vacant.
July 7, 2009 – Al Franken seated. 58 Democrats, 40 Republicans, 2 Independents.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THE DEMOCRATS HAD A SHOT AT A
60-VOTE MAJORITY AND STILL NEEDED BOTH INDEPENDENTS.
August 25, 2009 – Teddy Kennedy dies. Kennedy had missed 97% of the votes in 2009 and over 90% in the last half of 2008. 57 Democrats, 40 Republicans, 2 Independents, 1 vacant.
September 25, 2009 – Paul Kirk appointed to Teddy Kennedy's seat. 58 Democrats, 40 Republicans, 2 Independents.
THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THE DEMOCRATS HAD A SHOT AT A 60-VOTE MAJORITY AND STILL NEEDED THE INDEPENDENTS.
February 4, 2010 – Scott Brown sworn in to replace Paul Kirk. 57 Democrats, 41 Republicans, 2 Independents.
June 28, 2010 – Robert Byrd dies. Byrd had missed over 90% of the votes in 2010 and almost 50% in 2009 due to illness. 56 Democrats, 41 Republicans, 2 Independents, 1 vacant.
November 29, 2010 - Mark Kirk sworn in to replace Roland Burris. 56 Democrats, 42 Republicans, 2 Independents.
Super-majority? It never existed because even during
two periods when Teddy Kennedy and/or Robert Byrd were unable to vote they still needed to get the votes of every Democrat plus BOTH independents.
FACT: The "Democrat Senate Super Majority" is a G.O.P. lie.
FACT: The GOP used every roadblock, filibuster, and secret hold they could think of so that EVERY bill had to have a 60-vote margin for closure.
Cynthia's Point: Looks like you've done some pretty good research by your post. All your facts might be correct and if they are correct, EVERYONE TAKE NOTE, this is just another reason we need Romney to be our President. President Obama has NOT found a way to get the job done. We already know this and now we need someone who can get passed the roadblocks because President Obama has and won't be able to do this in a 2nd term. America needs a Change.
Anyone but the Flip Flopper in 2012 !
Obama started his pesidency by screwing up the oath. It has been downhill ever since. You want someone honest? We need some polititions with balls to impeach the usurper in the white house. Vote out all incumbants and kick the UN out of the republic of the US
RON PAUL IS THE ANSWER
Easy Mrscagey talk like this could have the secret service wanting a interview, or lose your position at work, maybe jail time!!
If voting could really change things, it would be illegal.
Maxwell:
There were two independents in that total of 60, who tended to side with democrats. It lasted three months only. There was never any 60 democrat majority in the senate under Obama. It is a right wing fallacy, eagerly spread by everyone from you to Marco Rubio on the Senate floor. Shame. The willingness of the average republican to accept outright lies from their politicians is staggering to me. We can do better.
IMHO-2730490 "Oh yeah, and where are all those "jobs, jobs, jobs" the republicans promised in 2010?"
The Republican House passed about 30 bills that would have improved the jobs picture. Unfortunately, Harry Reid in the Democratic controlled Senate wouldn't even allow them to be debated or voted upon in the Senate.
How you can blame the Republicans when it's the Democrats that blocked all of those bills is beyond comprehension. The House cannot FORCE the Senate to act on bills passed by the House, and they cannot FORCE the President to sign them - that's just how the government works.
Perhaps you missed your Civics class in high school.
upset-1557697 "There were two independents in that total of 60, who tended to side with democrats. "
'Tended'? They caucus with the Democrats and vote more with the Democrats than many of the actual Democratic Senators. The Democrats did indeed have a 'filibuster proof' Senate and they used it to pass Obamacare, with all Democrats and two 'Independents' voting for it - they just couldn't keep them all in line for some of the other ultra liberal agenda - Some of them actually put the best interests of the Country ahead of the Democratic Party.
IMHO-2730490 "Oh yeah, and where are all those "jobs, jobs, jobs" the republicans promised in 2010?"
Why aren't you asking Harry Reid, he is the one stalling all the House passed bills. Nothing like the true obstructionists in the senate along with Obama blaming House Republicans for nothing getting done. The Democrats have no solutions, so all we get is obstruction and blame.
Unbelievable, can't believe they used obama's name in the same sentence as
Ronald Reagan. I agree with TexasT; I just puked in my mouth too.
Both had tough recessions to deal with. However, Reagan wasn't obstructed to the degree that Obama has been.
Don't reward obstruction. Obama/Biden 2012.
Reagan didn't have the leadership skill deficit Obama has.
obama should be obstructed at every juncture......he has done enough damage to our nation......
The decision to obstruct was before he was sworn in. No damage had been done. Explain that.
That's a lie. Reagan had to deal with Tip O'Neal, what a disaster he was.
Reagan was able to outmaneuver O'Neal because he went to the people and the people carried the day. That's why he won 2nd term with the biggest landslide in history.
When Obama goes to the public only liberal lemmings believe him.
The obstruction lie was exposed the moment they shoved Obamacare down our throats. If they could pass that they could pass anything.
Obama has gone to the people, and the people said that they wanted Congress to work with the President and that is why the approval rating of Congress is at what 13%.
Republicans met prior to Obama being sworn in and made the decision to obstruct from Obama's first day.
I'm sorry folks but you are wrong. President Reagan was a kind and sweet man, but just an average President.
You're being a bit kind with 'average'.
Eric - you are repeating a lie. Were you at that meeting? What exactly was discussed? And don't tell me what you learned from horses ass Mr. ed.
I'll bet the democrats had plenty of meetings after their shellacking in 2010. That's what parties do, they regroup to see waht went wrong.
The shellacking will continue this November.
It's not a lie: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/26/democrats-gop-plot-obstruct-obama
"A detailed account of who was present at the dinner on that January 20 night and the plan they worked out to bring down Obama is provided by Robert Draper in 'Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the US House of Representatives', published this week."
No matter how many times Obama and his Super Pac MSNBC try to say Obama is like Reagan no one with any sense will buy it.
Regan united the country, he worked across party lines.
Obama divided the country into men and women, rich and poor, Republican and democrat. And has proven to be completely partisan.
Donna - I hope you puked all over yourself; they are not comparing the two men (Both good men.) they are comparing the situation.
Thinking should not cause you illness, but, I know thinking is a problem for people who talk like you.
Eric
The Gaurdian??????
So the Republicans had a meeting to discuss their agenda and the dems cry foul??? Until you come up with some recordings that specifically state that the plan was to bring down Obama and not his policies you are spreading lies. Republicas believe that Obama's policies are bad for the country and I am behind them 100%. President Obama is not good for the country and we see it every day that he remains in office. You have to stop listenimng to that horses ass Mr. ed.
I see where it was brought up that Charlie Wrangle might be a target. He was wasn't he? He is a crook, isn't he? He didn't get punished by all the other crooks in the democrat party, did he?
"Attending the dinner were House members Eric Cantor, Jeb Hensarling, Pete Hoekstra, Dan Lungren, Kevin McCarthy, Paul Ryan and Pete Sessions. From the Senate were Tom Coburn, Bob Corker, Jim DeMint, John Ensign and Jon Kyl. Others present were former House Speaker and future – and failed – presidential candidate Newt Gingrich and the Republican strategist Frank Luntz, who organised the dinner and sent out the invitations.
The dinner table was set in a square at Luntz's request so everyone could see one another and talk freely. The session lasted four hours and by the end the sombre mood had lifted: they had conceived a plan. They would take back the House in November 2010, which they did, and use it as a spear to mortally wound Obama in 2011 and take back the Senate and White House in 2012, Draper writes.
"If you act like you're the minority, you're going to stay in the minority," said Keven McCarthy, quoted by Draper. "We've gotta challenge them on every single bill and challenge them on every single campaign."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/26/democrats-gop-plot-obstruct-obama
My wife's hair dresser (who voted for Obama) put it this way. "Three years ago, I just cut hair. Now I have a second job and I see that Social Security is running out of money in 17 years."
She's in Romney's camp.
Romney will not be able to do this on his own, he needs a congress with strong enough majorities to back him with the legislation.
What a ridiculous comparison. The only commonality is that both Obama and Reagan entered office at some stage in a recession cycle.
Reagan entered office moving into the second half half of a double dip recession. Obama's term started at the end of a recession. Why does this matter? Because the recovery clock started ticking for Obama 6 months into his presidency and 36 months later we still have over 8% unemployment. Reagan's recession didn't end and recovery clock didn't start until 23 months into his term and unemployment was below 8% a mere 15 months later even though unemployment peaked at a much higher level under the recession during Reagan's term.
Then there is the vast difference in the rate of recovery. Reagan's recession was deep, but as is the norm, deep dips have big bounces (except in Obama's case) and Reagan's unemployment rate rose quickly from the 10.8% peak to 7.2% by June 1984 (and that is without people giving up hope and exiting the workforce). That's a jobs recovery of 0.19% per month. Obama's recovery rate? It has come at an anemic 0.06% per month...less than 1/3 the rate of Reagan's.
In Reagan's case he was battling both high unemployment and high inflation and got both under control. Obama hasn't had the added burden of having to battle high inflation and hasn't gotten either under control. In Reagan's case he was also battling the Fed having an extremely tight monetary policy. In Obama's case the Fed and Treasury are flooding the market with money.
Finally Reagan's answer to his recession was decidedly pro-growth where Obama's has been anti-business.
Like I said, the only thing in common between Obama's term and Reagan's is that they both happened during some point of a recession. Reagan's recession recovered swiftly and decisively, Obama's continues to meander.
"My wife's hair dresser (who voted for Obama) put it this way. "Three years ago, I just cut hair. Now I have a second job and I see that Social Security is running out of money in 17 years."
She's in Romney's camp."
SHE'S SCREWED IF FLIP ROBME GETS INTO OFFICE, HE'LL FINISH HER OFF FOR SURE.
Proves the lengths the mainstream media will go to try and get Obama re-elected. Even if that means trying to compare Obama to a truly great Republican president, instead of Jimmy Carter which is the closest comparison.
Maxwell,
This is why the Republicans will lose... If you guys can't come up with a vision for America what would be the point? Hummm?
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companies; Private Equity (Mitt and associates), is about gutting established successful companies --sucking out their capital and assets, then leaving the company holding the debt bag. It is a deliberate gutting and looting of American corporations. This is the antithesis of
Venture Capitalism.
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Well that's a pathetic lie. Bain took failing companies and saved them. They didn't have a 100% success rate but nobody does. Even GM went bankrupt after sucking billions from the public trough.
Vahalla - Is GM a foreign company? Why would you want it to fail? Why would all the people who work at that company be enemies to you?
You people who hate unions have no sense of labor history. Have you not seen the graphs and charts that show american wages dropping while union membership is dropping. You don't really believe that the Ron Paul philosophy that the market place will make companies pay us more do you?
Please, I cannot take the absolute absence of compassion and intellectual honesty I get from you people all the time. I saw a posting from a right wing guy talking about those lazy good for nothing senior citizens living off their Social Security. I mean does it ever end with you people?
Bill: GM is not a foreign country, however, they are not a private company anymore either. GM is 70% owned by the government, they might as well be in China. There are plenty of other auto companies in the US that didn't get bailed out and are doing just fine without our tax dollars. I don't believe anybody wanted them to fail however, if they had smarter people working for them maybe they wouldn't have needed the bail out. Or was it greed?
The government holds around 40% of GM stock right now. Whoever told you it is 70% is not reporting the truth. That stock is rising in value. GM remaining in the industry without disruption was an enormous success story in a crashing economy only a couple long years ago.
upset
The US owns 26% of GM. We paid $33 per share for those stocks. The price at the close of the Market yesterday was $22.36. We need a price of around $52 to break even. Now if you think going from $33 per share to $22.36 is a raise in price this country is in deep doo-doo.
Well Charlie, maybe you should consider the reason why Mr. Reagan had a 49 state sweep and then try to figure out why obama has to work so hard and lie so much.
Go to politifact.com and look at Obama's record on statements and Romney's and tell me who the biggest liar is. It isn't Obama.
Just a note, Obama has kept 177 promises to date.
How about cutting the debt in half, like he promised?
He probably could have done that had he not been obstructed at every turn.
Politifact is another Soros funded propaganda site. Nice try.
Again, the obstruction lie was exposed when they passed Obamacare.
Nice try Valhalla Phil. It's an independent fact checking organization.
Eric...Bill Adair Politifact's editor and founder is a known liberal and Politifact has been discredit by everyone as a source of "fact" since it has been known he is the founder.
Donna - What freakin lies are you talking about? Ginrich, Santorum, and Bachman all pointed out what a liar Romney is, and, he has to keep lying to keep his conservative support.
Give me a list of 5 provable lies from Obama, not policies that did not work out, but, you know false hoods.
Someone who complains about liars so much is usually a pretty accomplished liar themselves.
He probably could have done that if he hadn't spent our money like a drunk sailor while Harry Reid watched the door.
How about cutting the debt in half, like he promised?
Did he say that before or after the economy tanked, oh right before.
Nice spin Fox news slut.
Ouch..............Smokey that hurts. Lefty gets frustrated after 1 post. Lefty hurls insult, just like clockwork. Where's my race card?
I'm sorry does truth cause you pain, I'll try to start lying to ease your pain.
The last time I went to the zoo, the chimps were hurling their feces. Sort of reminds me of some of the lefties posting here.
John-2032532:
How about cutting the debt in half, like he promised?
John, seriously? Are you being FAIR to Obama?
After all, when Obama came in to office... he ONLY had TOTAL CONTROL of BOTH Houses of Congress and the Presidency for just the first TWO FULL YEARS of his dismally failed presidency!
I mean, go easy on the guy.
How can ANY President get ANYTHING DONE with "that much obstruction to overcome?"
Sarcasm aside, when we hear these "absolute fools" not only "whining about Republican obstruction" and actually believing it, it only goes to PROVE the title of of Michael Savage's book, "LIBERALISM Truly is a MENTAL Disorder".
These fools insist on ignoring that Obama's "approval rating has fallen like a rock since the day he was inaugurated", and has even LOST support inside the Black community.
When "staunch Liberals out of Hollywood" like Matt Damon, Barbara Streisand, Snoop Dog, Jon Lovitz and many others call him a "DISASTER"... that means he is definitely "in BIG trouble".
Why has there been a "explosion of BLACK Conservatives" since the day Obama came in to office?
Why have so many of Obama's "former supporters" been FLEEING from him like Illegal Aliens FLEEING from Mexico?
Why was there a "Coast to Coast Republican Landslide in 2010?" Why were over Seven Hundred Republicans elected to local, state and federal offices in one of the biggest political landslides in American History.
Why have even the Black Congressional Caucus "freaking out" over Obama's failure to generate more jobs in the Black communities?
Why is a Hollywood Icon like Denzel Washington a Black Conservative Republican.
And, "speaking of Black communities"... how are THEY doing lately?
The fact is America's Black urban communities have NEVER had MORE problems than they have at this very moment... after over three years under Obama's "HOPE & CHANGE".
President Obama's OWN budget was voted down UNANIMOUSLY in the U.S. Senate, including EVERY SINGLE ONE of his supposed "Democratic Senate allies" by a "politically embarrassing vote of 97 to ZERO ?????
So, please "lay off the popularity crap"...Obama is about as popular as a "leper", even among his own.
The media and the deaf, dumb, blind, ignorant and mentally disturbed can rant all they want with their Debbie Wasserman-Schultz talking points... and talk them selves in to whatever state of delirium they want... but, on November 6th, 2012...
Americans will "flush that nasty, smelly little turd right down the toilet where he belongs!"
Last, but certainly not least, "Thanks to Obama's spectacular popularity" the Democratic U.S. Senate majority will fall right in to Republican control this November too.
Yes sir, that Obama!
What a turd.
Fair? Is Obama treating America fairly? Asked...and answered.
Eric
Politifact was started by the St Petersburg Times. That is a LEFT Newspaper. It's owner is LEFT.
Politifact was Detatched from the St Petersburg Times to APPEAR neutral. Politifact was staffed with LEFT reporters and investigators who went with it when it was made "independent".
After posting this complete nonsense:
After all, when Obama came in to office... he ONLY had TOTAL CONTROL of BOTH Houses of Congress and the Presidency for just the first TWO FULL YEARS of his dismally failed presidency!
...the rest of your post is not worth reading. Here's the facts: although democrats did have a majority in the house, they never controlled anything. The republicans blocked and obstructed at every turn. In the senate, they had 58 dems and 2 independents that made up 60 if they all voted together. That lasted 3 months until Scott Brown won in MA. Again, obstructionism at an alarming level ruled the day. Repulicans taking the house hasn't improved anything - they got us downgraded, blocked everything, prioritized abortion and have a 10% approval rating.
President Obama's OWN budget was voted down UNANIMOUSLY in the U.S. Senate, including EVERY SINGLE ONE of his supposed "Democratic Senate allies" by a "politically embarrassing vote of 97 to ZERO ????
So, is this "complete nonsense?"
Please feel free to "explain Obama's HOPE & CHANGE in the Black communities too?"
Is Violent Gang Crime down or UP?
Is Black Unemployment going down or UP?
Ask Denzel Washington or Snoop Dog?
How is all that "HOPE & CHANGE" working out?
Only "the most ignorant of ignorant" can possibly repeat, let alone actually buy in to the "fictionalized 8.3% unemployment number" thrown around by the media. Learning about the TRUE Unemployment being ABOVE FOURTEEN percent aka "the U-6" may help? Let's conveniently not mention the Millions and Millions of Unemployed Americans NOT BEING ACCOUNTED FOR in these fictionalized reports?
The country remains in a "frightening economic state bordering on collapse", yet some of these brain dead morons, who apparently REFUSE to read the facts, somehow allow them selves to buy in to Obama's fiction.
No, the posts PROVE "Liberalism Truly is a Serious Mental Disorder".
Sadly, as ignorant, uneducated, poorly educated and like Forrest's Mama always said, "Stupid is as stupid does!"
The media and the deaf, dumb, blind, ignorant and mentally disturbed can rant all they want with their brain-dead talking points, on Nov. 6, 2012, Americans will "flush that nasty, smelly little turd right down the toilet where he belongs!"
Those "rapidly disappearing Obama supporters" are in for a SEVERE shock on November 7th, when they wake to read how the "Marxist turd" got flushed down the political toilet.
Actually, President Obama is a smarter and a better President than President Reagan was. President Reagan was a sweet man, but his vision for ‘trickle down’ & ‘voodoo economics’, will need be stomped out. We just can't survive as a strong nation with this tried and failed policy.
We need to stay the course President Obama has set for us.
Smarter. Job 1 you can not be serious. That like saying Carter was more brave than Washington.
President Obama's record proves his greatness. So now and during his second term the people of the United and the rest of the world as they are already starting to do, will realize that President Obama is the real deal and will go down in history as one of the Greatest Presidents of all time.
I just spit up in my mouth a little.
obama's record is one of abject failure.......
Better than Reagan? BULL BUTTER How can a President that is WORSE than Carter even possibly be compared to Reagan. You get the award today. The course your guy has put us on in called a death spiral and you want to stay with it. Good luck but hopefully the Majority does not go with the Media hype and spin as they were misguided last time. I pray people wake up this November.
Facts are facts folks. The ‘trickle down’ & ‘voodoo economics’, will need to be stomped out. We just can't survive as a strong nation with this tried and failed policy.
Tried and failed is everyone in poverty like your boy is doing. Them are the facts
Then riddle me this??? How come Reagan beat his recession, and Obama has made his worse?
Do not tell me it is because of the House Republicans, because Reagan had a liberal Congress. And yet he lead the way out of the economic mess he was given.
I do like Obama's campaign slogan" Forward". Isn't that the motto of the communists for the last one hundred years? Did Karl Marx write a book entitled "Forward". I also like Obama's "African-Americans for Obama" call. Is that racist or not? Wonder what would happen if the Republicans organized a "Whites for Romney" call?
Devdoc - He compromised with that congress, and, buy the way asked for a tax increase from that liberal congress to help pay down the debt. He actually said in one of his speeches "Why should a bus driver pay a higher percentage of his wages in taxes than the millionaire?"
Sounds like he understood the problem that Obama is talking about now.
Saul is that you?
Reagan was a bumbling idiot, during a mild recession he borrowed and bought prosperity at the expense of our future.
That's right Reagan loving morons.
REAGAN WAS THE FIRST OF THE PEACE TIME BIG SPENDERS.
BUSH II WAS THE SECOND DUE TO HIS WARMONGERING AND RETARDED TAX POLICIES
OBAMA IS THE THIRD MAINLY DUE TO THE SECOND
if Owebama were so smart, we wouldn't be in a Depression and the Stimulus would have worked, housing would be strong, the dollar would be strong and gas would be cheap.
Hope isn't hiring.
In 2008 it was "Hope and Change".
Ever since it's been "Debt and Blame".
Reagan took on Russia
Obama kneels to Russia.
Slight difference.
MR--You really need to look at history and current affairs. Reagan liked slogans ("Evil Empire") and easy fixes (Star Wars), but worked quite well with Gorbachev and agreed with him that a nuclear-free world was a good idea. The notion appalled Reagan's advisors, who had to explain to him that Star Wars utilized nuclear weapons and vowed to never again leave him alone with Gorby. As for Obama, yesterday a high-ranking Russian general was very angry over the US missile defense shield in eastern Europe which Obama has promised to pursue. I know, I know, the Cold War was so simple. Let's get back to that world in which Russia is our number one geopolitical threat.
You are full of crap.
No one wants a nuclear world. But he did not back down. Obama has, is and always will.
You are wrong on so many levels it's pathetic. Reagan called it right. It was evil until Gorbachev took over. He was the first sensible leader they ever had. Nobody "let" Reagan deal with Gorbachev alone, Regan demanded it. They wanted to craft a letter to him, Reagan wrote his own and had it sent instead.
Nobody told Reagan what to do, he was his own man.
Reagan did agree that a nuke free world would be ideal but Gorby wanted to tie that to cancelling Star Wars. That meant we would disarm, Russia could cheat, and we'd be screwed. Reagan rightly blew him off.
Star wars does not require nuclear weapons, it was mostly laser based. We now have lasers that can reliably knock out missiles in flight.
Obama has actually been back-peddling on missile defense. Russia sensed his weakness from day one and has been running him through the wringer ever since.
Obama also bows to Saudi Kings.
How idiotic. Ray-gun had nothing to do with the collapse of the USSR - he was just there when it happened. It collapsed of its own economic weight. Reagan gets remembered for that because they keep running that stupid quote about "tearing down this wall"! People outside the U.S. consistently wonder what people are talking about when they say Reagan defeated the USSR.
MRSWR - Regan worked with the Soviet Union to disarm nukes too. Obama does not bow down to them, he needs their support to avoid a war with Iran. This man is the best foreign policy president we have ever had. I see no real comparison.
mutton jeff:
Ray-gun had nothing to do with the collapse of the USSR - he was just there when it happened. It collapsed of its own economic weight. Reagan gets remembered for that because they keep running that stupid quote about "tearing down this wall"!
Using your logic, Obama doesn't get credit for ending the war in Iraq...he was just there when it happened. Obama doesn't get credit for taking out Bin Laden (Seal Team 6 does), he was just there when it happened. Obama is a failure, accept it!
MR-- Name calling is a poor subsitute for substance. When and if you have actually studied the Reagan era, we can have a fruitful discussion.
Val--You should look at the Reykjavik summit. That's where Reagan and Gorby met alone and Reagan agreed to a nuclear-free world, an agreement he had to repudiate. Beyond that, since Star Wars utilized nuclear weapons. Here's what Wikipedia states: "focus of the strategic defense initiative was a nuclear explosion-powered X-ray laser designed at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory by a scientist named Peter L. Hagelstein". You would profit from reading books such as The Acting President by Bob Schiefffer and Gary Paul Gates.
mutton
You have no idea what happened do you. Let me give you a little glimmer. Before the fall of the USSR, they were puzzled why their public apartment buildings were failing so easily during earthquakes. They contacted a group of American Architects (one happened to be one of my teachers) to look over the construction documents to see if they could find the problems. The drawings, specifications, and structural calculations checked out okay. So, the group visited the Soviet Union to see several projects in progress.
While at a site, they observed a dump truck back up and dump concrete on the ground. Then men with shovels scooped up the concrete into wheelbarrows and carting the concrete to the current pour location on the site. I don't need to tell concrete people what that does to concrete.
The reason concrete trucks and pumps were not available for the civilian projects because of the new arms race brought on by Reagan's build-up. Every ruble, every premium piece of equipment, technology, natural resourse went to arms race. That, along with afghanistan occupation bankrupted the Soviet Union, which is why it fell apart.
Reagan's arms build-up brought about the fall. It was his idea, which caused the left to have a cow.
Why it didn't destroy us is because we don't have a centrally planned economy where the incentive to get ahead doesn't exist. At least we didn't until the passage of the ACA, which is a giant leap toward more centralized planning.
No need to comment on this blog Job1, with the logo you are sporting, we all know where you stand, and we all know where you will fall too.
Actually, I will commit on any blog I want. If you can't handle the truth, perhaps you should go elsewhere.
you can't handle the truth job1!
Once again, we see the caliber of the "obama brigade"; try reading my comment once more. I said "comment" not commit. And yes, I can handle the truth when it is presented. You seem like a pretty nice guy, you don't go ballistic on answers, but I wonder what has blinded you so much that you are such a believer in Obama.
PLEASE ENDORSE BISHOP MORONI !!!!!!!! ; polygamist will love you , republicans wil cheer you , the tea party will adore you !!!!!!!!!
obama like reagan ? !!!! yes like carter was like lincoln!!!! u gotta be kidding me !!! if obama is so great why isnt he way ahead in the polls ? i know....its bushes fault lol
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WHY SOOOOOOOO JEALOUS REPUBLICANS ?????? ; i mean , even ya'll should appreciate the fact that we are not wandering in those WMD DESERTS ANYMORE !!!!!!!
Jealous??? It is you guys trying to compare your failure to Reagan, not the other way around.
Reagan was an idiot, the media is making the comparison you moron NOT Obama supporters.
Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is already asking for volunteers to help the Obama's pack for their move out of the White House and back to Chicago on January 20, 2013.
I'm sure we have plenty of volunteers here.
This is like Reagan:
“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.” ~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006
What happened?
america deserves a much better president than obama....but we get what we vote for...so wake up americans....obama is the worst president in our history..
Not only can't Obama live up to the standards set by the majority of the American people, he can't even live up to his OWN standards. Bye-bye, Barack! This is what happens when you lower the bar and make an Affirmative Action hire. It's the Peter Principle at work: Obama has risen to his level of incompetence....but that was two jobs ago when he became an Illinois state senator. Now he's in so far over his head even doing the dog paddle won't save him.
Actually, W was the worst.
I think you offended mcpaddywhacko
Job1, does saying that make you feel better? At least Bush kept unemployment around 5% until Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid took control of Congress after the 2006 mid-terms and proceeded to drive this country into the ground....then Obama came along and helped those two nitwits finish the job.
Carter used to be the worst POTUS in history....then Obama came along and stole the title from him. How does if feel to be from the party that gave us the two worst Presidents in our 235+ year history? Not to mention the worst Speaker of the House and the worst Senate Majority Leader. You must be so proud!
Give me a @!$%#ing break
Defending Bush policy seems silly to me. Most reasonable people know his policy was devestating to everybody but the big corporations and rich people.
Obama will NEVER be like Reagan.
Reaganomics-Start a business in your garage and become a millionaire.
Obamanomics-Live in your parent's garage. Receive unemployment check.
You mean cut taxes to the 'job creators'.
After 30 years, tell me: where are the jobs?
for over three years there gone. Tell me what happened
Actually, President Obama stopped the bleeding.
Bush average unemployment 5%, Obama average unemployment 9%. Democrats inherited 4.6% unemployment, ask them where the jobs went.
THINK FOR YOURSELF PHIL. Obama inherited the economy that was headed for 10% unemployment no matter who was president.
I guess you think all the people here are as gullible as you are.
selfemployed-1951031
Very good analogy and very true! I like.
NOW THE TEA PARTY '' REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE DITTO ZOMBIES '' CAN PRESENT ROMNEY THE MEDAL OF HONOR ; and it's soooooooo apparent , '' the purple heart !!!!!!!!!! haaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa heeeeeeeeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeisssskillinmeeheeeheeeeeeeeee !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! everybody knows , all romney's done is closed down american jobs '' for his own gain '' !!!!!!!! L O
I second that !
Isn't it amazing that liberals revile Reagan yet when their boy is in trouble they scamper like mad to align Obama with him?
No, not seeing it, sorry.
I guess I'm not taking the right substance you are.
OBAMA TOOK OUT '' USAMA BIN LADIN '' IN ONLY 36 MONTHS !!!!!!!! ; but it's apparent the republican conservatives liked wandering in the WMD deserts. they seem to have grown accustomed to BANKRUPTING AMERICA ON THEIR WAR OF LIES. 8 YEARS , AND ALL BUSH LEFT AMERICA WITH IS A FLAG THAT READ '' MISSION ACCOMPLISHED '' !!!!!!!!!!! haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaa heeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeeeee waaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaa did president obama catch bin ladin ??? waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!!!!!!!!! BUNCH OF DITTO ZOMBIE '' CRY BABIES '' !!!!!!!!!!!!
That's a desparate lie, Navy Seals took out Bin Laden, based on intel from Gitmo. Obama only had to say yes. My dog could bark once for yes.
Vahalla - You know it was not that simple of a decision, a failure would have definitely cost his reputation a big hurt and probably the election. He made the decision to go forward with the mission; that makes it his mission, not his accomplishment the SEALS deserve that credit, but, Obama was the decider; if you cannot even give him credit for that, I can't take any of your critiques of him seriously.
Phil - everything you post sounds like a Sean Hannity talking point. Is that were you get that crap?
Bush said bin Laden was of no concern.
Conservatives still believe that.
If it was no big deal to take him out, why didn't Bush do it?
Under Reagan and Bush: $3.4 Trillion increase in the debt.
But wait, there's interest on that debt ... GO HOME YOU TRICKLED DOWN ECONOMIC REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE STEAL FROM THE DIRT POOR AND GIVE TO THE FILTHY RICH 1%ers '' H I P O C R I T !!!!!!!!!
Just like a mortgage, the debt earns interest, and so the Reagan-Bush-I debt grew during the Clinton years. The average debt interest rate in those years was about 6.5%, which would increase it over 50% without compounding, but with compound interest the total debt – including interest – increased by $2.2 trillion.
If the Republicans had not run up this $12 Trillion debt, we could easily have pulled out of the Great Recession.
The only thing that should have pulled out was your father.
weareinbettershape
Very good facts. However, Republicans don't like facts.
Bush aveage unemployment 5%, Obama average unemployment 9%. How's that for facts!
Weare----- BINGO!!! AND HERE'S THE PROOF!!
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
http://zfacts.com/p/318.html
Liberals do not understand or cannot comprehend the truth and facts. They are too use to lying to get there Welfare ObamaBucks and Food Stamps and whatever other FREE entitlements they can steel from us working non democratic liberals. What are they going to do when the jobs are no more except a government job? Which that is the reason this country is in trouble. Obama keeps hiring government employees, but that doesn't bring money in like private sector. These are the figures Obama uses, not private sector. People lose their job in private and someone else gets a government position. Sorry Liberals it doesn't work that way.
Fuzzy-0457
There isn't a factual comment in your post. It contains ignorance and lacks any credibility.
I've worked all my life. I've fallen below poverty and risen above it. Currently, I have become well off. I have a family that went to college and given me grandchildren. I'm set to retire early.
I'm a life long member of the Democratic Party. Not because of the illusion that they are sucking welfare or lack a backbone. I am a democrat for the moral reasons they stand for. We share the same beliefs.
I do not profess my religion in hopes to gain favor of a political group. I do not profess my patriotism to tease other countries about being "number one!". I do not force my morals on other people who do not share my philosophies. I do not judge others as I've been brought up to believe it is wrong.
I am also, not a republican, which does everything I've mentioned above.
I really feel for your type. Blind to the facts and truth. The democrats have controlled over 45 of the last 60 years, and it is too obvious who has done the damage. You people are being brainwashed with propaganda BS. Just what the government wants you to believe. The democratic party is a complete 180 degrees opposite from the beginning. The republicans, I can't say anything, but they are a big disappointment. I have not been party affiliated for a while. I can think for myself. You people CANNOT think for yourself, so you take the easy way out by having someone tell you what you want and need. But America is not the America I grew up in, but has become a country like Germany was in the beginning of Hitler. It was the same type of liberal ignorance that desroyed Germany. G*D help America, even though our President is a Muslim, and having the lords name taken out of everything that made this country.!
I blame BUSH! 8 years of let them eat cake on Wall Street and 2 Wars with unlimited spending. The trappings that got us into the GREAT Recession. Some of us have not forgotten !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah blame bush...you sure can't defend obama's abysmal performance as president..
yo paddywack , you love posting about the President's job performance, could you possibly back that up with some statistics and facts instead of just your uninformed opinion. Specifically what has Obama done that makes him our "worst president ever" ?
everything he has done....but most importantly pandering for votes by making americans angry with each other......and anyway you libs ignore statistics, facts, and reality for that matter......
He as spent trillions and unemployment is still higher than when he took office.
Vahalla - Yet another distortion from you, he has not spent trillions. It ws 797 billion dollars and experts say there should have been more.
MOST OF IT WAS IN TAX CUTS YOU IDIOT
Bill, what planet are you on? You seem to be forgetting the record spending in each of his last three budgets ON TOP OF the $797 billion. All three budgets had over a trillion each in deficit spending, adding ANOTHER $4.5 trillion to debt so far. Forget the Wall St. bailouts, the GM and Chrysler bailouts, Obama has added over 30% to our national debt without even including them....and there is no indication he intends to stop deficit spending. If we follow his plan, we'll be deficit spending for at least the next decade, or until be run out of money and borrowing power, whichever comes first. I'm thinking the latter is likely to occur......like Greece.
Another Bush, Liberal ignorant comment. Does Obama get any credit at all. He has no good, but will not assume responsibility for anything he does or doesn't do. I guess the only thing he does is play golf and vacation as president. He sure isn't a leader of anything. I wonder what his handicap is. I forgot, it is suppressed by presidential decree. Well America, I guess this is new transparency! Get use to it.
Ignorance is bliss, Typical Liberal! And Obama didn't bail out any companies or banks. I wonder why so many of them haven't paid American taxpayers the monies back for their bailouts. Or Solyndra, for $500 million dollars Obama gave to his millionaire friend, when Obama was told the company was going under, not to do it. It goes on and on but you anti American liberals are too ignorant to see whats in front of you. You blood sucking people are the destruction of America!
No, no, no. Obama isn't like Reagan. But I bet he's going to be like Carter, one and done. Adios, Barack! What's that bad taste in your mouth? Dog.
Not like Reagan, just a better President.
Job1, so when is Obama going to start showing us he's a better President? We're waiting! He better get cracking because he's only got six months to show us.
The only thing he's shown us so far is repetitive failures. The economy hasn't recovered. Unemployment is still over the 8% he promised us it would never reach. He's losing the war in Afghanistan. Terrorism is on the rise....along with our MASSIVE $16 trillion national debt, thanks to him. Is he saving the good stuff for last? Too late. He has run out of time. He can go back to "community organizing"......in Venezuela.
Obama took the Nobel Peace Prize for beating Jimmy out of 1st place for WORST President in the History of this nation. I thought no one could do that, but Obama won hands down. It has been written by the historians that Obama did not accomplish one thing, except DIVIDE the country into the ignorant Liberal party and the Patriotic American party.
MARK MY WORDS ; as soon as the lincoln party takes full control of congress , PROGRESS WILL REIGN IN !!!!!!! THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY '' IS '' THE REAL LINCOLN PARTY !!!!!!!!!!!
It's funny how when democrats are in trouble they try to align themselves with republicans. Sorry, you can't ride on our coat tails.
Well you can't expect them to run on their accomplishments, they have none. It's much easier to steal credit for things they never did. This comparison of Obama and Reagan is a case in point. Ludicrous.
Obama is not now, never has been, nor will he ever be on the same level as Reagan. Listen to Reagan's speeches (youtube has them) and you will find that they are truly inspiring. He was not in love with the word "I" like the current President appears to be. You knew what Reagan stood for--even Chris Matthews admits that fact.
Our current President may be a Harvard grad (has anyone seen his grades???), but he will never be the leader that Reagan was. Look at the results of the 84 election. People could unite behind Reagan.
Not the same level However, President Obama is a smarter and a better President.
Keep telling yourself that Ojob. True believers need to keep reciting their dogma to console themselves in the face of opposition.
You are the left's version of Kevin Bacon in Animal House:
Remain Calm! All is well!
Job1 only makes ignorant rants, but nothing of any credibility or factual substance. This is a typical liberal mentality, to throw the eyes off of them onto something else. They are mere sheep being told what they want and need, which takes responsibility off of them. They can blame others for their failures.
Job1- Only a Liberal would dare to suggest that Obama should even be mentioned in the same breath with Reagan. You are braindead.
Reagan was by far the most outstanding President of the 20th Century .
What is pathetic is The Liberal Left cannot even find a Democratic President to compare Obama to .
Bill Clinton was a moral failure , much like Obama ,, but Clinton was a competent President. Bill Clinton was lucky as he enjoyed the Technology Boom in the 90s, and when it was over on YK2,, the country fell into Recession. Bill Clinton was a good President , he had no role in the Tech Boom and was NOT responsible for the Recession either.
Why would MSNBC not compare Obama to Clinton rather than Reagan ?
I would love to hear Reagan's response to that statement ,,, it would be short , and very clear... " NOT "
Folks,,, the people that support Obama want Big Government ,,, its that simple.. They want Socialism and many want Communism ,, and if that is the not the most single telling clue that the Liberal Left is insane,, then the Liberals cannot be convinced.
Obama is a resounding Failure,,, there is no logical defense of his Presidency and he will be SOUNDLY DEFEATED in 2012,, and Democrats have followed the Liberal Left Obama over a political cliff... I suggest some of you Liberals read Mark Levine's book ," Libery or Tyranny "--- Levine said it was apparent that Obama would fail and the Democrats would defend him at all costs...
Well the cost of the Democrats is going to be another total shellacking at the voting booth in November,,, The Democrats should be humiliated by the performance of Obama, Biden ( an absolute fool ) , Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi , Eric Holder, Tim Geightner and for sure,, Hillary Clinton ,,, not to mention Lisa Jackson , Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, the GSA , NOAS , .
Our military continues to do an outstanding job , and all citizens should praise the CIA , FBI , NSA for the incredible work they do in finding and busting so many terrorist attempts against our country. But even the Seals hold Obama is disgust for his endless taking credit fo Bin Laden's death,, Without the intel gained from the Bush group , Bin Laden would still be alive .
Anyone but Obama in 2012--- Romney will be one of America's most outstanding Presidents during his first term.
You Dems and LIbs just try to defend OWS ,, anarcists , radicals , useless to the to the core,,, run by the Unions, supported specifically by Obama and Pelosi and Reid..
The OWS is the new symbol for the Democratic party ,,, worthless.
The bigger the Government the better we will all be. This talking point of smaller Government was a talking point that President Reagan started, and we all know how much expansion happened in the 1980s. So, don’t get in to the Republican argument of smaller Government. It’s a myth that will never happen.
So, let the Government grow and expand.
Job1
Government growth is completely out of control. I hope that was a hypocritical statement. No one in their right mind would think we need to grow government. Government agencies have an enormous record of waste and failure and you want to encourage more? You can't be serious. No wonder you support Obama. Hey wait a minute. Weren't you the same one screaming bloody murder when W Bush was expanding government at a record pace?
Ask Greece how that Worked for them....It is EXACTLY what they did.
BlowJob1 - Aren't you due for a cigarette run? I think you still have money left on your WIC card...oh and your 25% from your Section 8 house rent is due. I sure has heck know you don't own a house and I'm sure your checkbook (if you have one) is probably like Os budget and unable to be balanced. We understand that you think O is a great president...the rest of us are just trying to understand your psychotic disillusion.
Alan - The democrat presidents have done much better with the economy than republicans. Democrats earn the money, the republicans spend it on trying to control our personal lives, starting unneccessary wars and who was the most crooked president, oh yeah a republican (Nixon).
You do not have the moral weight to discuss Obamas morals, that I am sure of.
By the way, how in F#%K WOULD YOU KNOW WHAT THE SEALS ARE THINKING, NO ONE KNOWS WHO THEY ARE.
For you to suggest that is disgusting and you are just a lousy person, no doubt about that.
Hey Manjuiceisgood aren't you due to suck Sean Hannity off.
Oh and Rush needs a rimjob get busy, you don't want to keep your heroes waiting.
Raygun committed treason and should have been impeached, removed and arrested and tried!
Agree - the comparison is very funny. Talk Obama's record - and try to find any accomplishments equal to Reagan. The list of his screw-ups is miles long. But he has a marketing machine based on socialism, class war and fear and some are actually drinking his kool aid. People, read. Read the Obamacare, read the stats on unemployment, green energy, our deficeit. Realize that $15 trillion debt is equal to 15 Million Million. Enough to make 30 Million people 1/2 millionaires.
Job1
More government like the kind we have that is overpaid, wastes enormous amounts of money, can't do anything right and basically screw up everything they touch? You are a complete moron. Please move to a socialist country.
Reaganomics was the start of Americas down fall and "W" finish the job.
The GOP/Tea Baggers destroyed this Nation, God help us if they get back in !
Very good and true. There was a general on TV last night, stating how the military has been looking for Bin Laden for 10 years. How dare Obama take credit for something he had nothing to do with. But that's Obama taking credit of others and none of his own failures!