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Despite the focus in recent days on matters of national security, supporters of both President Barack Obama and his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney, tend to agree that November’s contest is likely to hinge on the economy.
At a speech meant to pivot his campaign from the primary season to the general election, Romney said on April 24, “It’s still about the economy, and we’re not stupid.” It was a direct challenge to the president’s record and a move toward making the 2012 election a referendum on Obama’s economic stewardship.
The overall strength of the economy will be illuminated by new jobs data released Friday morning.
While the administration has been able to hang its hat on a series of somewhat positive economic indicators -- the declining unemployment rate, monthly jobs numbers and manufacturing industry recovery -- a potential slowdown in hiring could mean political peril.
But broad statistics don’t tell the whole story. Winning the presidency isn’t decided by national data; it’s decided in the Electoral College, and many of the most hotly contested states make up an occasionally uneven portrait of an economic recovery.
“People will pay attention to their circumstances, and abstract gains are not good enough to outweigh their struggles,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a veteran Republican economic adviser.
Brian Snyder / REUTERS
Mitt Romney waves with his wife Ann after his speech at a primary night rally in Manchester, N.H., on April 24, 2012. "It's still about the economy, and we're not stupid," he told the crowd.
He pointed toward states in the industrial Midwest, where manufacturing growth has been generally slow (though showed signs of improvement this week), and the “sandy states,” such as Nevada and Arizona, where the real estate market is still a long way from recovery.
Many of those states compose the list of the most competitive contests in the NBC News battleground map. That list, which was most recently updated last week, includes Colorado, Florida, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia as pure toss-up states.
But compare the performance of a state like Ohio, where the unemployment rate stands at 7.5 percent (attributable to a number of workers leaving the labor force while employment has held steady), to a state like Virginia.
In Virginia, the labor force has continued to grow along with employment, contributing to a decline in the unemployment rate to 5.6 percent -- the ninth-best rate in the country.
“Just from an incumbent’s perspective, anywhere where you have a high unemployment rate, from a political view, that’s a dangerous thing,” said Jennifer Granholm, the former Democratic governor of Michigan, who now hosts “The War Room” on Current TV.
Genevieve Cook, a former girlfriend of President Obama, tells of her college relationship with him and describes his “sexual warmth.”
Granholm’s home state of Michigan, a Democratic-leaning state in the battleground, ranks 36th in unemployment. Nevada has the worst unemployment rate in the country, North Carolina checks in at 47th and Florida ranks 43rd, according to preliminary data through March on record with the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Both Republicans and Democrats acknowledge that voters’ opinions of the economy tend to cement several months before the election, not on Election Day. That raises the stakes for the next few months’ worth of reports on economic indicators, which might shape impressions of the economy on a state and national level.
A new swing state poll shows President Barack Obama and Mitt Romney neck-and-neck, noting the economy is "what's keeping Romney in the ballgame." Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, Real Clear Politics Reporter Erin McPike and the Washington Post's E.J. Dionne discuss.
One big report comes Friday, when the government releases data on job creation for April. One private firm’s estimates, ADP’s, projected that job creation slowed to its worst pace in seven months.
Still, Democrats argue, the more important factor at work in the states is whether voters generally believe the economy is improving or declining.
New polling data released Thursday also suggested a gap in swing-state voters’ perceptions of the economy. Seventy percent of Florida voters and 67 percent of Ohio voters said they think the U.S. is in a recession right now, according to a Quinnipiac University poll.
“I think what really matters to people is less the numbers and a government statistic release than the extent to which they feel a sense of improvement in their lives,” said Jared Bernstein, the former top economic adviser to Vice President Joe Biden, who maintains close ties to the Obama administration.
And that could be the silver lining for Obama. In the same Quinnipiac poll, 51 percent of Florida voters said they think the economy is beginning to recover, and 55 percent of Ohio voters said the same.
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The NBC battleground map puts 231 electoral votes -- of the 270 needed for election -- in Obama’s column as a baseline, varying his pathways to victory. It may end up being the case that voters in just enough states feel things are improving -- even if the recovery lags elsewhere -- that the president is able to win a second term.
But the economy isn’t out of the woods yet, and hurdles to recovery remain.
Roll Call's David Hawkings, Center for American Progress' Neera Tanden and National Journal's Ron Fournier discuss the Obama Campaign's web slide show titled "The Life of Julia."
“Things always happen. One of the problems is that if you’re growing slowly, something might come along, like a natural disaster, and slow you down,” said Holtz-Eakin.
Granholm said she worried about the impact of higher gas prices or a slide in European economies having an especially pronounced effect on a state like Michigan, which has already weathered a tough, extended downturn.
“Michigan could not stand another kick in the gut after the decade we’ve been through,” she said.
But for all of Romney’s efforts to cast himself as the more qualified candidate to engineer a national turnaround, his fight against Obama in each state will more likely hinge on a complex matrix of voter opinions than a simple glance at the economy.
Consider states across the Midwest, where growth has been somewhat slow but Democrats have been eager to highlight Romney’s role in opposing the bailouts that contributed to the partial recovery of the auto industry.
“There’s no question that the president will be touting the benefits of the auto rescue,” said Bernstein. “Speaking as a former member of the autos task force, I think that's fair, because the political winds were very much blowing in the other direction. He took a pretty bold step there. “
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Lyin Willardo, the Mexican Mormon Moron tax evader, bankrupter amd Etch A Sketch champion will have a tough time in most states. With the Pope's boy Rick The Dick Sanitarium telling his supporters that they must never vote for this freak because he is not a conservative , is member of an evil cult and is the anti-christ. What is the Pope's boy going to tell his braindead zombie followers now, that he lied to them?
In addition, both the Pope's boy and the criminal lobbyist Nut Gingerhead, have told their evangelical Children of the Corn zombie followers that lyin Willardo is the worst person ever to run for the presidency can not be trusted and will destroy our country.
I can't wait for Obama to run ads about this in the repuke backwoods areas so all the toothless, bible fed repukes that live there will have it drummed into their skulls.
Hammy your copy and paste skills are good as you have demonstrated over and over and over again.
Larry. You are even dumber than Moe and Curly. You are the dumbest stooge of all. Your same stupid remarks which show your ignorance is typical of a braindead right wing dunce.
It is not cut and paste, dunce, it is written each time. I just enjoy writing about this lying right wing criminal.
we are willing to bet that what we don't know about Romney is a lot better than what we already know about obama.
ANYBODY BUT OBAMA 2012!!!!!!!!!!
RepubliCONS Have ruined our country for their own benefit.
And just how has Obama made it better?
Vote Obama ....
Keep his freebees flowing like the great Mississippi River .... "LOL"
Hey Hamm.....
Aren't you tired of cut and pasting this same post AD NAUSEUM?
Vote Obama because I still have not gotten my free cheese yet. He just needs more time.
Better cheese than garbage the RepubliCONS give us.
Let's see if we vote Obummer maybe he'll give out more free stuff and use his executive powers when ever he wants, like last week when he over rode congress and gave the Paleistinans $147 million.
The "stock market" is stealing jobs and profit sharing to employees, by "wanna-be" moguls, that creates recessions repeatedly on an historic level. My young brother in the Crash of '87 acclaimed: "we don't need a stock market" defending the working class, of manipulation and unearned income! The President argues over the oil futures, and altering flowing stabilization for would be consumers at the pump. I come from Shrewsbury MA and they run their own show, in owning the electric company, the cable company, long distance telephone and of course water, a fine example of a pseudo-rural community, that Uncle Sam might follow in the "green" or alternative energy arena and offer Federal mass-production of independence supplies in said freedoms of "off-the-grid" new age cash flow to John Q Public, and build a treasury of income opportunities, for a higher standard of living and in thee event of natural disaster or balanced global society. One of the rural issues is the "pony express" or USPS that keeps us connected, in a stream of commerce, per sae: shipping, that needs maintaining, as does the social security system. Don't deny the "country boys" their laptop and wifi, the gateway to education, give us some mountain? Give us some due! Huggy Bear.
Commie.
Can you say "Mitt Romney " . Obama might get his liberal feelings hurt when Romney wins. I am alright with that 4 years is enough of any president vote them out every four years 8 years is too long . Congress too. Mitt is very handy with an etch a sKetch by the way he can draw almost anything he wants. By the time he snaps out of it 4 years will be over. To The End --->
4 years will be 4 too many for Obama ....
Sheez, I leave for less than an hour and you all post over 300 comments? I've got some reading to do . . .
You don't have to ....
No one wants Obama anymore ....
That's all you missed ....
It's a shame it took them this long to realize that.
Nice car Cubsfan. What is it?
Mercedes SLR McLaren, Kevin.
Thank you
“There’s no question that the president will be touting the benefits of the auto rescue,”
Then the Governor should "tout" the fact that Government Motors, whom we bailed out with taxpayer money, is sending jobs overseas.
I almost forgot what was that program? Blow up a bomber? Junk a junker?
democ rats like to fool them self's they cannot present a budget so far its been 3 years with out a budget this administration is very incompetent // people will vote for democ rats only if they are on welfare
If mitt and his wife look like puppets, obama and his wife look like monkeys and act like animals
Tell us how you really feel, ellen.
Another Racist for Romney
Bryan, if she said this about Romney, you would cheer her.
I'll Vote Obama again. Romneys a unknown as far as I'm concern
ellen you are discusting!!
badass
So you would be happy with a known failure??
I'm sorry to hear ....
I'd vote for the One Eyed, One Horned Flying Purple People Eater BEFORE I'd vote for Obama.
Oh and you so like what you "know" about Obama, huh? Looking forward to living in a third world country? God, do us all a favor and just don't vote.
If Romney is an unknown to you, it's only because you haven't bothered watching any debates, reading any articles, researching any links, listening to any news reports, or participating in any other duty-demanded activity to educate yourself.
And even if Romney is an unknown, Obama is not. Skyrocketing gas prices, spiked unemployment, terrible foreign policy, 5 trillion more in debt, etc., etc., etc. I'd vote for "Candidate to be named later" over Obama. Pick the unknown.
{sigh} Now I have to go send friend requests to Slodon, Forest, and Lest.
Unemploymeny dur to 8 years of RepubliCONs and Bush. Romney they Jobs Killer. Romney 47th in job creation while governor. Gas prices on the way down. And CUBSFAN keeps quoting FOX NO NEWS. Keep it up there butch you obviously can't think for yourselve.
we are willing to bet that what we don't know about Romney is a lot better than what we already know about obama.
ANYBODY BUT OBAMA 2012!!!!!!!!!!
I'll keep quoting Fox, Bry. You keep quoting whatever radical, left-wing, third-world, liberty-despising, hate-spewing, fear-mongering, race-inciting, corrupt news source you listen to.
Cubsfan......MSNBC is not news, it is all spin.
It's funny.... The conservatives shot a huge hole, in their boat. And now, their bailing like mad. All the while insisting that another shot (tax cut for the rich) will let all the water back OUT!
What other tax cut for the rich .... ??
Stop making up stuff ....
Romney is talking about a tax cut for the middle class, not the rich.
Romney Rule. And, yes, Romney made it up.
Like I said ....
Stop making up stuff ....
Romney Supports the republiCON budget which gives massive tax breaks to the rich and raises taxes on the middle class.
Funny how the rich are the ones paying most of the taxes now ....
BigDumbBen. But you love to make up fairy tales. You are the stupidest idiot I have seen post on these boards. You are too dumb to realize that your brain is still half frozen from from your igloo collapse in Wasilla. I am almost sure now, that the last time you went to church, that your local catholic right wing priest gave you two liberal Girl Scout cookies to pull down your pants, turn around and face the wall. The two shots you tookhelped you on the way to brain destruction.
It wasn't worth the two cookies was it? Now you blame the liberal Girl Scouts for providing the cookies.
hey hamm and the rest of you libby ecofreaks.
just the time that you have spent on your computer tonight posting on this site has burned at least a couple of scoups of coal used to generate electricity for the power plant.
just sayin.
in the new obamaworld we will all have to pay an internet tax.
Internet taxation is on the way
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/02/internet-taxation-is-on-the-way/?page=all
SOURCE: WASHINGTON TIMES
Road kill--you DO realize that over 2/3 of the Bush tax cuts went to the LOWER income folks?
I have no problem with repealing ALL the Bush tax cuts, IF and only if the money realized were to be spent paying down the deficit.
But I'm particularly NOT willing to repeal ANY of the tax cuts if the money is to be used to INCREASE 'entitlements'.
THANK YOU MOmaid!!
You are the ONLY one to mention that 'sacred cow' .... entitlements.
We've got TOO MANY on the dole, for generations now who have been sponging off the system for FAR TOO LONG.
Do you think Barack Obama has a clear plan for fixing the economy or not?
36 percent Yes
61 percent No
Which of the following best describes how you feel about voting for Barack Obama for president in November:
Independents:
I would definitely vote for him: 30 percent
I would never vote for him: 54 percent
I’m still deciding: 15 percent
Don’t know: 1 percent
I don't see how you got that out of your "delicate" orifice! Amazing!
Can you believe that 36% believe Obama has a plan? What in the hell are they smoking?
Barack Obama's clear cut plan to fix the economy: "Don't even bother trying."
Why don't you intelligently refute Forest Miller post instead of spouting off out of that pie hole of yours?
Oh...I said intelligent with regards to you...
MY BAD
F. M. Gump. Can lyin Willardo fix the economy. 85% no, because he lies too much and has no clue.
The other 15% are braindead backwoods, toothless, braindead repukes who have no opinion.
Larry, I was kind of amazed at that figure myself.
So, when FDR didn't end the Depression by the election of '36, we should have elected Alf Landon and returned to the polices of Hoover, Coolidge and Harding?
Possibility things would have been better from 1937-1941.
But since that didn't happen we will never know,now will we?
We never got out of that recession until Eisenhower was elected.
The ONLY thing that got Americans back to work was the 'military effort.'
ALL done with borrowed money.
How has Obama made it better? He has not sold his country down the river to his former company Halibuton. He has tired to end tax cuts that make it so rich people and corporations pay a smaller percentage of tax than people cleaning tables in restaurants. He has tried to make it so the average person can see doctor without having to file for bankruptcy.
Yea , yea , yea ....
You don't get out much , do you ....
I agree he has provided food-stamps to more people than any other president. we are able to keep getting them because there are no jobs. Thanks Obama.
Hey, Republicans! The Economy: You're doing it WRONG!
I'm AMAZED that certain people STILL think that raising taxes will ONLY affect the wealthy.
WRONG!
Check the NUMBERS: The middle class OUTNUMBERS the wealthy 99 to 1 as it is so popular to recite with OWS.
Now...who would YOU tax to get the most bang for THEIR bucks?
bob
Do you know that the Obama DoD gave Halliburton NO BID CONTRACTS??
Hey Roadkill,the Democrats are in charge of the Senate and the White House. Have been for 3 1/2 years. Where have you been hiding?
bob, you really need to stop inhaling the spin. Do some research when you hear the talking points. First of all, Obama hasn't "tried" anything. He's TALKED about it. The truth? Real median household income, for the middle class in this country, is down $4,300 since Obama took office.
Under President Obama the poverty rate among women rose to 14.5 percent last year, the highest rate in 17 years.
More Americans are receiving food stamps than at any time in this nation's history.
Gas prices are killing the average American.
He shoved a health care bill down the throat of Americans despite the fact that poll after poll showed we didn't want it.
He sued Arizona, despite the fact that Americans overwhelmingly support their immigration statute.
He lied repeatedly during his campaign, keeping very few of his promises.
You call that making it better?
More people starting getting food stamps when Bush was in office. The number increase from there.
I really wish I had the energy to find the info on that but I'm sure you can look for it.
SPOT ON!
Cindy
It took Bush 8 years to put 14.7 Million people on Food Stamps. It took Obama 3 years to put 14.2 million on Food Stamps. So lets do some basic math.
14.7 Million divided by 8 equals 1.8375 Million per year.
14.2 Million divided by 3 equals 4.733 Million per year.
Now WHO has put more people on Welfare per year???
I think even you can see that Obama wins that contest.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/newts-faulty-food-stamp-claim/
Ah, Cindy. . .you did it! I was wondering when "Bush" would be brought back into the conversation. What a loyal little libby you are. Deluded, but loyal. I think the commie word for it is "useful idiot." I wish I had the energy to find the link to tell you all about how well you fit the term but I'm sure you can look for it.
Oh, by the way. . .The percentage of Americans on food stamps stayed around nine percent from 2005-2008, but then increased every year from 2009 through 2011. in 2011 the number of food stamp recipients reached an all-time high with almost 15 percent of America's population receiving them. 46.2 million Americans.
Blame Bush but not Pelosi or Reid? They were in charge of congress and with a majority in both houses, they had more power then Bush.
Bob--nah, Obama's STILL selling out the country to Halliburton. He also has certainly handed LABOR Unions every thing he could.
And if Obama had "tired"(sic) to end the tax cuts so hard, WHY did he not do it while he still had a majority in the congress and could theoretically pass whatEVER he wanted?
Possibly instead of wasting his 'power' on a flawed "health care bill'' (which does NOTHING to improve health care, and EVERYTHING to hand INSURANCE companies forced new customers.) which he spent a year trying to sell, and STILL most don't want it?
Don't get out much? Not much of a statement. Your an idiot.
Don't get all huffy now because your president is a failure ....
We don't need tax cut. We need JOBS!!! Get those people back to work.
Romney flips flops to much for me. I don't know where he stand from one day to the next.
I really should stop watching so much on the computer. I would be blind to the truth.
Obama just flip flopped on the pipeline ....
GITMO ....
Did you count them .... ??
Cindy, tell us what he's "flip flopped" on, then do us a favor and tell us what Obama has NOT flip flopped on.
You can always tell a liberal that does no independent thinking. Their two favorite phrases are "flip flop" and "etch a sketch!" Like little birds with their mouths open, waiting for someone else's opinions to be dropped in. How disgusting.
Yes, I'm aware that President Obama change his mind on that issue. Don't know all the details. I'll search for it at a later time to find out more about it and why. Thank you
F. M. Gump. You can always tell a right wing dunce, because they ignore facts. If you want to know what lyin Willardo, the Mexican Mormon Moron tax evader Rat has flip flopped on, just look up what The Pope's Boy Rick The Dick Sanitarium and Nut Gingerhead, the criimal lobbyist said about him when they brought the Etch A Sketch boards to press conferences.
They are too many to list here.
You ignorant dope.
Ah, Hamm, you are just too cool. "Ignorant dope." You really put me in my place, didn't you?
Hamm1 - Thanks
Romney doesn't stay on message. I know this much. Each state he said something a little bit different. In this state he's for and in another he's against.
In my heart, I feel he's for the rich. He may care about the middle class. I don't know. I'm not feeling it.
I feel he cares very little about the working poor. I know he doesn't give a darn about the poor. He already said that much.
Cindy--you DO know what Romney actually SAID about the poor? He said (and I'll admit this is not exact, but I DID watch him making the statement) that he was not worried about the rich, because they were just fine, and he was not worried about the poor "BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE plans to help them, and if necessary, can pass more" but that he was worried about the MIDDLE class losing ground.
Still want to keep repeating a false 'cut and paste'?
Teapublicans talking about "fixing" the economy.. How amusing..
I would imagine that most couldn't even define what they mean by "fixing"
.
The wealthy, and the corporations run the show.. and they're doing fine.. No "fix" necessary..
Sadly, the teapublicans haven't grasped this as yet...
Ah, there you are. I wanted to let you know you gained some respect from me for looking up that article. I didn't expect you to. You, unlike the rest of your clan, are willing to actually put forth a little reasoning effort on occasion.
I'm always willing to look at a new perspective...
Might not agree with it totally, but I'll look at it..
I'm sick of how every other liberal tries to paint anyone who's against Obama as a racist. Those of us who object to him on this comments board have listed plenty of reasons why we don't want him, and his skin color has NOT been one of them! Gas prices, economy, foreign policy, debt, etc. Not skin color!
It's the liberals who use race to their advantage, and that's exactly what this tactic is. You people are the same ones who complained when anyone who bashed Bush was called 'unpatriotic.' I don't quote Hilary Clinton very often, but I will now. She said that ANYONE should be allowed to criticize ANY administration! (Naturally, she said that when Bush was in the White House, but does it no longer apply, Hilary?)
It's the liberals who infuse race into every imaginable situation, from the CMA music awards to the Henry Lewis Gates story to Trayvon Martin to Supreme Court picks to Presidential elections.
And why do they do it? Because they can't argue with facts. All they can do is try to get people fired up over emotional non-issues. Wake up and smell the coffee, liberals. You have no platform. Face it. Deal with it.
Put the race card away. It's not your turn... go fish!
The global economy ! Can Obama fix the global economy and police the world at the same time by printing more money , we can lift the ceiling forever . Conserve pay cash stay out of debt and vote for no new TAXES ! Soon there will be more dollars out there than we are worth sooo we might be headed for hyper inflation. Democracy is for sale to the fool holding the most dollars. Buy American and hold on for the ride !
for all the crying baby's that complain about the rich this still the best country in the world to make money and be successful if you are willing to work hard and don't expect Avery thing for free
"Avery thing" Nice touch!
Obama love to give out things for free ....
He is the master at giving out freebees at the tax payers expense ....
Yeah--he just handed out a zillion dollars in 'aid' (bribes!) while on his swing thru Afghanistan.
Latest Obama quote: "I, ah, I mean me, ah, No I ah remember putting people together to uh, do uh, things that might help, uh I mean would help, people back to work, like uh....where was I, put that teleprompter back up. Oh yes, I ah, well uh, am the president and uh, as the organizer of all work, uh, I mean wlefare, no uh, was it work, really? Work, my people don't uh work, there are systems in plave so we, I, no they uh don't have to work but can share in your hard work benefits. I am here ah, to see that the little people get more, they deserve ah, more. Will you please just vote for us, I mean me, or I, no me."
LOL!
CubsFan ♥ Lynn.
Don't quote Ayatollah Romeni and blame it on the President!
Here is a question for everyone:
How many think that Obama will carry their home state in the coming elections and WHY or WHY NOT?
He couldn't carry a pooper scooper ....
Colorado has the highest percentage of educated people. Take a guess. Remember what you said in Nov.
Go to RCP polls and check out the electoral college, click on Colorado or any other swing state. Look at all the head to head polls... pubs should get their hankys out.
Lestweforget--MO here, and my guess is NOPE. Since Obama did NOT carry MO LAST time against (shudder!) McCain!
Furthermore, MO voters were MAJORLY pizzed about the health care bill, to the extent that since they couldn't vote against Claire McCaskill (who was elected to the Senate the year Obama was, and was his 'flag bearer' on the HCB) they voted against her 'protoge', Robin Carnahan. And you have to be REALLY unpopular in MO to wear the name Carnahan and get BEAT. Robin's dad defeated John Ashcroft even tho Carnahan DIED in a plane crash before the election.
Obama and Carter. Birds of a feather......
Carter was 1,000 times better than Obama ....
BigDumbBen. But you love to make up fairy tales. You are the stupidest idiot I have seen post on these boards. You are too dumb to realize that your brain is still half frozen from from your igloo collapse in Wasilla. I am almost sure now, that the last time you went to church, that your local catholic right wing priest gave you two liberal Girl Scout cookies to pull down your pants, turn around and face the wall. The two shots you took helped you on the way to brain destruction.
It wasn't worth the two cookies was it? Now you blame the liberal Girl Scouts for providing the cookies.
Obama's Approval Plunges Below Worst-Ever President Carter
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Obama-Carter-Gallup-approval/2011/11/29/id/419436?s=al&promo_code=D9C0-1
Tuesday, 29 Nov 2011 04:20 PM
By John Bachman
The writer's bias is obvious. You use a current photo of Mitt Romney and then you use a college photo of Mr. Obama.
How insulting. It really shows that your coverage is not independent and unbiased.
You run a photo of the older White guy with the Blond wife... impression, "this guy is normal."
Then you include a college photo of the President of the United States as a college student, linked story of his sexual affairs during college for the audience to see. Do you want the black guy with sexual indiscretions to be your president?
Ridiculous! Your agenda is obvious. "Do you want to vote for the guy with the youthful sex life?"
Come on! Why couldn't you include a simple photo of him and his wife and family?
Ridiculous
Ohh yeah that's right we are all going broke and there are no jobs left and the unemployment numbers are a mirage , sorry wrong story. Mitt might like Obamacare sooo liberals can switch sides and vote with confidence for Mitt . Has Obama figured our the rubiks cube yet ? Ethch a sketch Mitt vs rubiks cube Barack what a race !
Got to go for the night. Should be back tomorrow. Night Ben, Lynn, Honest Jo, etc, etc, etc, etc.
Have fun ....
Don't have any Obama night mares ....
We'll see you all four of the RWNJ's here, tomorrow. G'night, the rest of you!
we've been having that one for 3-1/2 years now.