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Updated 11:19 p.m. - With the general election matchup against President Obama beginning to take shape, Mitt Romney swept a trio of Republican primaries in Wisconsin, Maryland and Washington, D.C. on Tuesday.
Romney strengthened his grip on the GOP nomination by virtue of winning the three states, the most competitive of which was in Wisconsin, a state seen as necessary for Rick Santorum, the chief conservative rival to Romney, to retaining viable hopes of winning the nomination.
M. Spencer Green / AP
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney declares victory April 3 in the Wisconsin presidential primary.
But Santorum vowed to press forward with his campaign, characterizing the primary as only having reached "halftime," while Romney kept his focus squarely on Obama in his victory party remarks Tuesday night.
Watch Santorum's speech on msnbc.com
"The president has pledged to 'transform America,' and he has spent the last four years laying the foundation for a new government-centered society," Romney said in Wisconsin. "I will spend the next four years rebuilding the foundation of our Opportunity Society, led by free people and free enterprises."
The former Massachusetts governor had looked to move closer to putting the drawn-out Republican primary behind him, and beginning a new chapter – the general election campaign versus Obama.
Watch Romney's speech on msnbc.com
Nonetheless, Romney had battled fiercely in Wisconsin against Santorum, who needed a win there to sustain his campaign heading into the next group of contests on April 24, which includes his native Pennsylvania.
Romney's victories came at a point when the Republican Party has shown signs of rallying behind Romney, and a general election that has shown increasing signs of shifting into gear.
Related: Romney cruises to big win in Maryland
That sentiment was reflected in Romney's celebratory remarks, where he made no mention at all of his Republican rivals, and rolled out a new refrain decrying "Barack Obama's government-centered society."
That came after an especially political speech this afternoon by the president, which featured pointed criticism of both Romney and the House Republican budget in anticipation of the general election.
"One of my potential opponents, Governor Romney, has said that he hoped a similar version of this plan from last year would be introduced as a bill on day one of his presidency," he said of the GOP budget blueprint recently approved by the House. "He said that he’s 'very supportive' of this new budget, and he even called it 'marvelous' -- which is a word you don’t often hear when it comes to describing a budget."
Related: Romney wins Wisconsin, moves one step closer to nomination
"It’s a word you don’t often hear generally," Obama added, to laughter, in a thinly-veiled swipe at Romney's personality.
Obama's campaign has also ramped up its attacks against Romney, portraying him as an ally of oil companies in a new television ad airing in key swing states.
Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, the House Budget Committee chairman who emerged as one of Romney's most effective surrogate for Romney in the past few days, and a favorite among conservatives to round out Romney's ticket, fired back at Obama at Romney's victory event.
"We found out today that he's going to divide us in order to distract us," he said.
But there's still the unresolved matter of concluding the Republican primary. Both Santorum and Gingrich have defiantly vowed to continue forward with their campaigns, though their strategies of winning the nomination hinge on wresting the GOP nod away from Romney at the August convention. Both candidates have events on their schedules in the next few days, and Texas Rep. Ron Paul added new events on Tuesday in Texas and California.
Santorum emerged at his election night event to declare the GOP primary at its halfway point.
"This is why we came back to southwestern Pennsylvania: to kick off the second half," he said in a speech leveling sharp criticism of Romney. "Ladies and gentlemen, Pennsylvania and half the other people in this country have yet to be heard."
A total of 92 delegates are at stake in Tuesday's three contests, with 1,144 needed to secure the Republican nomination. Romney entered Tuesday having accrued 490 total delegates through March 24, and his margin over other candidates will grow as a result of tonight's wins.
But more powerful than the widening delegate margin has been the growing cavalry of Republican figures who had previously remained neutral in the primary -- among them, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, among others -- have gotten off the fence and endorse Romney in hopes of hastening the end of the primary campaign.
That group could swell in the three-week period before primary voting resumes in five Northeast and Mid-Atlantic states -- contests where Romney is favored, aside for a more competitive showdown versus Santorum in Pennsylvania.
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The liberal morman WINS!
... the right to spend tons of other people's money to get clobbered in November.
Speaking about spending other peoples money have you ever heard of a guy named Obama?
No but I do know BUsh
The flip flop from Taxachuessettes vs. Obama; try no real choice at all. I'd just assume sit this one out and not vote at all, then vote for Romney (aka Mr. Roboto)... Something along the lines of the US's own playbook on foreign affairs, such as how our government plays it in the Middle East when no good option seems apparent. And the same argument that left them supporting Mubarack, in spite of all we knew about him. I believe the rhetoric goes along the lines of sticking with the devil you know :p I mean, afterall if it can work for the US State Department, and the US military, why not among the electorate, when facing choices wrt our own self styled "representatives" who spend more time representing lobbyists, then "we the people" at large, as well :p
Now, if the party establishment would actually chose to come out with real candidates that offer the voter a real choice, maybe, just maybe they could motivate me to go out and vote for them. Until then, I'd just assume see both parties fall to complacency; because they didn't bother to present us with any real choices to get excited about/that would actually motivate us to WANT to support someone, rather then simply oppose all in the "any but... (insert blank)" campaigns.
I don't understand how people like floyd keep saying Obama is spending their money when he's given them tax breaks. Am I the only one that finds this absolutely crazy?
Good, now we can kick NEO CONs to the curb..
I like Bush. I prefer Bush over Obama any day. Sometimes twice!
tbh, and no I would not put Bush up as a greatest president or anything like that; I think he probably would have been better, if people like Karl Rove were kicked to the curb. But then some, who were in the Texas state legislature also had something to say about that. As in, when they could sit down and speak to him privately, without his handlers (such as Rove) whispering in his ears....
In all honesty, I think Bush (the man) was at times well meaning, but also unaware of many things; and perhaps relied on some who were not of very good character, all too much when it came to informing him of what was going on, and what decisions should have been made. But then again, I also lived in New Mexico for 11 years. And like the people in TX, those in NM had unfortunate encounnters with Rove, in politics, which pre-dated the 2000 elections....
@floyd: as a matter of fact, I have heard of Obama. I've been on the fence about supporting him, but the GOP clown parade (primary contest) has convinced me he's the sane alternative. Vote for whomever you want, but I haven't heard any significant plans from the right wing this season except take money from manufacturing and middle class in order to pad the financial sector. It's pretty surreal when the Democrats are the fiscal conservatives in the conversation. I also can no longer tolerate the anti-science / anti-technology stance of the Republican platform. It's disgraceful and ridiculous.
The way I see it, the republican candidates are a joke this year. And then Democratic candidates like to kill babies. It's a lose-lose situation no matter what.
Mittens, Etch a Sketch, Rob-us-blind, Flip Flop Romnut, the 1%'er actually 0.006%’er a CORPORATE RAIDER and one time governor of Liberal Mass but now he is an arch conservative. Has supported Abortion, Gay Rights, Gun Control, Stem Cell Research and has reverse himself on all of these issues.
He took both sides on the financial bailout, the stimulus bill, the auto loan package;
His biggest Flip-Flop of all Health Care Reform The national Law is modeled on the one that he championed as governor in Mass that requires every citizen to have health insurance. Now he has Flipped-Flopped. Mr. Flop has taken a hard slide to the right pandering and boot licking to the tea party.
Mitt Flip-Flop Rob-us-blind, a wishy-washy, flip flopping spineless politician without any core convictions, principals or believes a man who will say or do anything to get elected telling one crowd one thing and another crowd another. You simply can’t trust this guy to tell you the truth.
I like being able to fire people
I’m not concerned about the very poor
Let Detroit go bankrupt
Don’t try to stop the foreclosure process
Planned Parenthood, we're going to get rid of that
My wife drives two Cadillac’s
We have a car elevator for them
My friends are NASCAR owners
and that the trees are "right height?"
Who could not be any less convincing as an “ordinary guy” if he literally wore a top hat and monocle?
Mitt Flip Flop Romney LMAO!
Momus, just what tax breaks have obama given? Continuation of the bush tax breaks? Continuation of the bipartisan approved payroll tax breaks? What breaks?
Obama out in 2012 ....
Try to save what's left of America ....
Obama's total debt per family is now at $690,734 .... live debt clock ....
Obamanomics just don't work ....
Abyzmi...."Democratic candidates like to kill babies" you say? I may be in violation, but that's just stupid!
american....Have your Federal taxes been raised since Obama took office? If not, then he's given you, what's better known as a tax break. I don't care where or whostarted it, but if he hasn't raised your federal taxes, he's given you a break. Now with that being said, I know my state taxes have been raised and I know it costs more to renew my tags every year and I also understand that it ain't Obama he's bending me over for the fat one!
Speaking of spending, heard of a group of morons called Congress? You know, the REPUBLICAN controlled Congress, the one that does all the spending (while denouncing spending) and pins it on the president.
Hey here's a thought! If Mitt wins, we can take over the pilgrimage that happens every year. You know: The true believers that flock to Jerusalem. Since according to the Mormons, Christ went to Utah and walked all over the place, Mitt can declare that as holy ground and we can then advertise to the world that there's an alternative to the messed up Middle East. Man! How much money could we get out of that?? C'mon Mitt! It's a great idea to boost the economy; better than anything you've come up with, so far! I think he should make it his landmark legilative proposal with the slogan, "Romeny Creates Holy Ground--Saves the Economy."
Mikerowe: Are you stupid or just stupid?!?!?
@Roadkill: JUST because my brother, Muslim Santorum, would cut off more hands than Muslim Romney, DOES NOT mean at the end of the day, when it is all tallied, Muslim Romney hasn't prayed at least 5 times to Mecca.
Unite, Brother Roadkill! Unite in your Muslim faith like I have, pick up that Koran you keep pretending you don't read all the time, and pray with me for our Muslim Republicans. We've got to get those Godless commies out of office! Capitalism comes with some cut off hands!
mikerowe organism
I like Bush. I prefer Bush over Obama any day. Sometimes twice!
Unfortunately you, like way too many others, weren't intelligent enough to say no after bush's first term. We're still trying to dig out from all the damage from he and cheney.
Hmmm I remember that election, and either most disagreed with your conclusion or they opted to stay home that day and not vote.
Dear haters of the President:
I'm pleased to announce Spaceship Dubya is departing from the New Mexican spaceport to MoonBase Cheney. Hurry up, don't delay, emigration has always been the malcontents way. Please don't forget to take Gingrich and Paul with you.
They say it could take about 60 years to pay down Obama's massive economy crushing , disastrous , record high , credit down grading , Greece like debt ....
Four years of Obama and any Republican will win, sad we will be forced into just another moderate but at least Romney does have some accomplishments on his resume
Obama will be next to be fired
He is concerned about all Americans not demagogy class warfare.
Obama intervene GM , rip off the stock holders, bailout with 80 billions and still owe 35 billions, cost of manufacture still too high, Volt the GM Green car is a failure.
Obama is not stopping the foreclosure process, still too high.
Abortion is legal but not with government money. Carry conceal weapon for self defense is legal and the government do not spend a penny helping to buy my pistol.
How many Cadillacs drive "50 Cents" , Cadillac is GM an American car
My friend are NASCAR drivers , so what
He don't need to convince he is an ordinary guy, he need to convince he is the right person to bring this country back to our leader position , with NO APOLOGIES.
Romney never will make deal with Russia in our back , not with our enemies.
Put the bong down Oscar.
Romnuts latest Gaffes THIS GUY IS IGNORANT!
Take a look at just five of the times Romney failed on foreign policy facts:
Romney says his desire is “not to leave” Afghanistan even when Americans are overwhelmingly opposed to staying indefinitely. [Source: Boston Globe]
Before Osama bin Laden’s death, Romney said it was “not worth moving heaven and earth” to find Bin Laden. [Source: TIME]
Romney says the U.S. should support regime change in Syria because it’s Iran’s “route to the sea,” but Iran actually borders the Arabian and Caspian seas and doesn’t share a border with Syria. [Source: MSNBC]
Romney called Russia, a strategic partner of the United States on vital issues, America’s “number one geopolitical foe.” [Source: ABC News]
When asked how he’d approach going to war with Iran, Romney has said he’d defer to his lawyers: “You sit down with your attorneys” so they can “tell you what you have to do.” [Source: CNBC, WSJ GOP Debate]
For all of you acting like President Obama has raised taxes, here's something that is called a FACT:
The stimulus (that saved us from another depression) was 40% tax cuts to the Middle Class and Small Business.
Bush's tax cuts only benefited the ultra wealthy.
Breaking News: Romney WINS multi-states. I'm a 60+y/o retired nurse, mother, grand,great grandmother, I would win against NEWT, RON PAUL, and Santorum. OBAMA 2012. Hillary and Debbie Wasserman Schultz 2016!
bigbenalaska - Where did you learn to add and subtract? You wouldn't know disaster if it hit you in the face. Apparently no single voter researched G.W.Bush and his five failed businesses, three of which were gifts from his father! Republicans voted he and a failed Yale Business Administration Student broke us and allowed (through signing statements) shadow banking and predatory lending practices, twice for the Office of President of the United States?
Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney and others feel that they can purchase any elected office. How far removed are you from reality? You may not agree with the President but get your facts straight before you vote. The GOP is not the traditional Republican Party. Neither is the Democratic Party. The President is a Centrist. The GOP have had an agenda of systematically dissolving this Democracy in favor of turning into a Parliament. We are almost there. The "Middle Class" doesn't exist. Work with any Human Services Profession and you will find that they are diappearing. There are more Working Poor and wage earners at or below the poverty level. The President has not had a single opportunity to "screw up" anything. Solydnra HAD to file Bankruptcy because China underbid them in the largest contracts available in THIS Country. China manufactures the worst quality Solar Panels compared to the quality Solyndra produces. We should be insisting that our technology and production of alternative energy resources are the highest quality but we don't. We tear them down. Denmark and the Netherlands are far more advanced in Health Care, Alternative Fuel and Energy resources than we are.
White feather
What is your next spin..... Thanks to Obama we are producing more oil...LOL
Momus2009
Momus...maybe this will help? Oh ya, the only one's that get ANY tax breaks are the one's that pay tax to begin with. You most likely are not in that crowd!
September 2007:[Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $9.815 trillion
July 2008: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $10.615 trillion
October 2008: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $11.315 trillion
December 2009: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $12.394 trillion
February 2010: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $14.294 trillion
What are we now?
ALMOST 16 TRILLION!?!?! Way to spend our tax money
Mr. Big $PENDER OBAMA - Epic Fail
bigbenalaska
They say it could take about 60 years to pay down Obama's massive economy crushing , disastrous , record high , credit down grading , Greece like debt ....
Who is the "They"? Voices in you head?
Romney never will make deal with Russia in our back , not with our enemies.
That's because Mitt will be so busy flip-flopping he won't get any deal done.
Hay justoneguy, nice job with the math but you seem to forget one little detail. Those debt limit changes were to pay for 2 wars Bush started, UN-Paid for Prescription drug policy the Republican congress passed, the 4 Trillion dollar tax break the Republican congress passed prior to 2008. From 2000 to 2008 GWB approved raising the Debt Ceiling by over 5 Trillion, The payments on that plus the original 6 T made it necessary to raise it to 14.3 Tax cuts to you and me are also why, if the Ryan plan is adopted his tax cots will add another 4 to 6 trillion to our debt.
Can't believe i'm hearing all this bull from the right wing wackos. Do they really believe what Rush tells them? Can they think for themselves? FEAR FEAR FEAR, that's all Rush teaches. Be afraid of this, be afraid of that, fear fear fear.
justoneguy - That's nice of you to list the last 5 times the debt ceiling was raised since Obama has been in office. How convenient to omit the previous 5 increases made during the Bush administration. Oh yeah, and not to mention Bush/Republicans kept funding the wars off the books, while Obama counted that as real money being spent... which it is. This is the kind of right-wing, GOP lying I get really flippin' tired of. How can you just blatantly mislead like that? Or are you just regurgitating what Rush/Fox feed you?
Get a whiff! Who would have imagined that Obama would have beat out Bush on the incompetence scale? What is even more puzzling is how can Obama even become President in the first place? He had no experience for the job, a sketchy educational background and before he joined Congress was a known instigator pitting the blacks against the whites. Do we really have this much dumb people in America? First George Bush -- twice -- then Obama.
Is it all smoke in mirrors?
Santorum is kidding himself- Romney is the heavy hitter so step aside
LMFAO- This post starts of with bad spelling.... Mormans...nice. What is a morman? when someone has more testosterone than someone else making them more of a man?
Also, why does it seem there are so many liberal democrats on here. Why collapse BigBenAlaska's comments. Only close minded individuals would think what he wrote in offensive...unless you just don't want a couple of normal comments.
You people are amazing..... (Sarcasm)
I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one that thinks Mitt Romney is creepy. Not only is he factually challenged [HE NEVER TELLS THE TRUTH] but he looks and moves like one of those human like Japanese robots. Maybe somebody should check his pulse to see if he's actually human....... Why in hell anyone would vote for this phony, lying jerk is beyond me.
Jeremy, Utah - You seem to have a few spelling mistakes yourself so don't critisize anyone until you learn to spell.
Who cares? Obama will make mincemeat out of that gaffe-prone oaf come November.
Keep buying people stuff to get a vote and Mitt might win. He is all over Washington and Maryland giving out food for a vote. How sad
"gaffe prone oaf"...have you heard of a guy named Obama?...
You got that right. Saw him before the Associated Press meeting today. He shot down the GOP "it's about us" budget. He has it right. Mitt will look like a fool in any intellectual discourse with the president. You GOP hopefuls don't have a snowball's chance. Having the stones to cut off all of our support for anyone doing banking with Iran for oil. Risking a rise in gas prices in a election year? He cares about America. Many just don't get it.
David--I'd wager that both Romney and Obama 'care about America', they just have different views on what she (we) needs. The only commonality I see that they share is the long-term ineffectiveness of their plans/paths.
Personally, I'm not in favor of either one, as both of their roads lead to serfdom. Pick your poison, I guess.
Obama out in 2012 ....
We just can't afford him anymore ....
Har har... And Obama is giving out free food and housing as well, to people in ALL of the states. How sad!
You could say that his campaign is costing trillions. Which it is. Who does not want to vote for a guy that gives them everything they need?
If my taxes get raised by 10% or more one day to pay off this debt, I'm quitting my job and living off of the government. Just like everyone else.
What planet have you been on these past three years;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap2Cg_FDRy4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4-AKcH3eC8&feature=related
Yes but Obama never placed the family pet on the top of his car on a trip to Canada. What a fool that Romney is. Wonder how he made so much money considering how dumb he is.
I don't think that is a valid reason to not vote for someone. A lot of past presidents have done stupid things like that. We all do, in different ways.
We have to look at the things that really matter. For example: isn't it a good idea to elect a businessman as president during a bad economic time like this? Someone who knows how money works.
Obama 2012!!!
Obama is giving away free food and housing?
You mean he enacted some special new law that I never heard about?
And I love all these "we need a businessman" as president comments. Why exactly? Government is NOT a business. When it IS a business, what we end up is a horrible, bad economy...which is what we had after 8 years of that famous businessman, George Bush.
Absolutely it's a good idea to elect Romney for his business experience. Our economy is still so bad. There are still so many unemployed and underemployed. I "Believe in America" and can't even imagine another four years of the Obama administration. ROMNEY 2012
Seriously, is that all you can come up with. Obama and his little entourage of thieves bought cigs, alcohol....for Acorn and the crew just to bribe people to vote. You can say all you want about the GOP and Romney but when the debates begin Obama does not have one positive thing to talk about over the past 3.5 years. Oh wait: Trillions of dollars in debt, more people on welfare than ever before, in bed with the muslim brotherhood (but wait, he is a Christian), he has created a cluster-f__— in the middle east, he has killed our economy, unemployment is still off the charts, he has NEVER given a budget that does not raise taxes and decrease spending, he supports the black panthers and their antics. It goes on and on and on and on.....Time will tell
It would be a sad day in the history of the USA if romney got the nomination; it would be a sign that the Republican party has given up.
Mittens, Etch a Sketch, Rob-us-blind, Flip Flop Romnut, the 1%'er actually 0.006%’er a Corporate RAIDER and one time governor of Liberal Mass but now he is an arch conservative. Has supported Abortion, Gay Rights, Gun Control, Stem Cell Research and has reverse himself on all of these issues.
He took both sides on the financial bailout, the stimulus bill, the auto loan package;
His biggest Flip-Flop of all Health Care Reform The national Law is modeled on the one that he championed as governor in Mass that requires every citizen to have health insurance. Now he has Flipped-Flopped. Mr. Flop has taken a hard slide to the right pandering and boot licking to the tea party.
Mitt Flip-Flop Rob-us-blind, a wishy-washy, flip flopping spineless politician without any core convictions, principals or believes a man who will say or do anything to get elected telling one crowd one thing and another crowd another. You simply can’t trust this guy to tell you the truth.
I like being able to fire people
I’m not concerned about the very poor
Let Detroit go bankrupt
Don’t try to stop the foreclosure process
Planned Parenthood, we're going to get rid of that
My wife drives two Cadillac’s
My friends are NASCAR owners
and that the trees are "right height?"
Who could not be any less convincing as an “ordinary guy” if he literally wore a top hat and monocle?
Flip Flops latest stupid remarks
Apperently the Morman Man didn't think it was important to kill Bin Laden
Take a look at just five of the times Romney failed on foreign policy facts:
Romney says his desire is “not to leave” Afghanistan even when Americans are overwhelmingly opposed to staying indefinitely. [Source: Boston Globe]
Before Osama bin Laden’s death, Romney said it was “not worth moving heaven and earth” to find Bin Laden. [Source: TIME]
Romney says the U.S. should support regime change in Syria because it’s Iran’s “route to the sea,” but Iran actually borders the Arabian and Caspian seas and doesn’t share a border with Syria. [Source: MSNBC]
Romney called Russia, a strategic partner of the United States on vital issues, America’s “number one geopolitical foe.” [Source: ABC News]
When asked how he’d approach going to war with Iran, Romney has said he’d defer to his lawyers: “You sit down with your attorneys” so they can “tell you what you have to do.” [Source: CNBC, WSJ GOP Debate]
Does that mean Santorum the devil will go back to hell and newt the hefty Lepracaun will go back to Ire-land?
Obama 2012!
Obama is dividing the country, Romney will bring Americans together.
Romney fire Obama 2012
That's the most Wisconsin has seen of Ron Johnson since his election. Way too much for Wisconsin to stomach, expect more grumblings in Clintonville tonight. And Wisconsinites also apologize for Paul Ryan.
Locally, Wisconsinites also faced referendums tonight to help fund with new taxes the tech schools decimated by defunding courtesy of Scott Walker. Walker was not allowed to show his face tonight to avoid any relationship with Romney and ruin the party. It would be interesting to see how many votes the President got tonight in Wisconsin since he was also on the ballot. So far not a mention from the media.
Wisconsin's budget went up, taxes went up, and........wait for it.........Wisconsin lost more jobs last year than any other state in the country under Scott Walker.
RECALL WALKER WISCONSIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Romney's quote, "Corporations are people too." Well Mitt, let's see corporations bleed from taking a hit from an IED in war like our soldiers did? Did corporations die in the Iraq war Bush Lied about for more profit for the friends of Cheney? Did corporations go home from war in a body bag? Do corporations sit in Veterans hospitals all over the world? Do corporations pay the same taxes as the soldiers and vets do?
Hell no! Corporations are people too........Really?.....Really? Tell that to the families of our dead and wounded vets
Hey, let's all get on the Obama bandwagon! We want more cash for clunkers, cash for banks, cash for mortgage companies, cash for homeowners who bought a house they couldn't afford, cash for illegal immigrants for medical care, and cash for anyone else who wants it. Where is all that cash coming from? The idiots on this board who want to vote him in for another four years. I'll take a rich business man who believes in free enterprise over a president who hands my money out to get a vote.
Another four years of Obama and you will all be so dirt poor that you will need the big government he has created just to survive. If you are all so dang smart, wake up and quit thinking Obama is going to save you!
I'm reading all these comments and just shaking my head.
Nuts and bolts: WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO THE US? Slinging mud does absolutely nothing to fix what is WRONG!
Obama, although he is awesome working the system and very intelligent, is a failed leader. Period dot com. He did nothing to unite us, which is what this country is based on, in fact divided us, intentionally or not. He is really good at the blame game.
Republican Party nominees.... my opinion, of the four, who can unite this country to a unified front... Romney or Paul, and I like Santorum the best out of all four candidates still running. We have to ask ourselves, instead of dividing, what is BEST for this country, ourselves, and our standing in the global economy. We have to think globally, for everyone when we vote.
I'm willing to give Romney a chance as I think he's what's best, given our choices. Financially, which this country is in desperate need of, he is head and shoulders above all the others. Worried about his healthcare, but considering that Massachussets was predominately Democrat when that happened, I'm willing to see how that flows down the road.
There's an old saying. "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater".
What is our country's biggest need? Financial responsibility. Being an Accountant, I know that to be financially responsible you need to have a blueprint, a guideline that is adjusted over time, but something in front of you to at least make you think about what you are doing.
This administration has ignored the Law on creating an annual budget (blueprint), therefore denying responsibility for what has happened.
Scares me.
Since when did it become a crime to be successful in the United States of America. I can't believe that alot of you liberals out there still believe Obama is some sort of Messiah God like that he is going to win the election in November. Well guess what? You libs may get up early and spend most of your time on these boards trying to make it seem that everyone is feeling the same.
President Obama IMHO has done absolutely ZERO for any sort of Economic turnaround. Stimulus is not the answer and the government doesn't create jobs. Get it through your thick skulls. It is the Free enterprise industries that most you libs already patronize and yet you make yourselves out to be some sort of "Righteous We are the Truth Party" when you guys don't get it. Its not the President who sets policy or spending limits for the government. Its the US House of Representatives and the Senate. Unless your Obama and just circumvent Congress and the Senate by Executive Order.
It was the then Democratically Controlled Congress that approved the Budget under President Bush's terms of office. It was not til elections of 2010 that the House went Republican and the Senate remained controlled by the Democrats which for all yours information. The leader of the Senate is the one stonewalling any legislation that has the Republican mark of approval. This is not working together. Its nothing more than Obama causing division. Like it says in the Art of War. Divide and Conquer. A House Divided Cannot Stand.
Obama has done more in his time in office to DIVIDE Americans instead of the promise of Uniting us and being the President to all people. I guess if I was rich and a leader of a Union, or Solar Energy company I would be favored my Obama. The SLEEPING GIANT has been awakened. It took one President to do it. That is the SILENT MAJORITY will speak out this election and Obama will be out of office I am sad to inform you Obamamites who seem to think he can do no wrong.
BTW quit making it sound like your the majority of Americans. I can say your not and that's what gives me comfort. That many many Americans will be voting Obama out of office not because he's African American or a Democrat. He's out because he can't seal the deal that the insiders want done. You guys actually think your comments will make a difference. Not at all does your opinion matter to this President, all he cares about is POWER. When I say this I say it from doing countless hours of calling people for a campaign. What I am hearing out there is that most are tired of Obama and his blame game and do nothing Presidency and they want him gone. He will be gone in 2012 because he can't get the job done.
That job is to bring America along with the rest of the Nations in the UN. To remove our Constitution and what it stands for so that the UN policy's can be implemented in our nation. Then we will like many other UN nations have done be under the UN's Constitution which is a far cry from the ones our Fore Fathers penned into existence. There also many libs out there and Republicans who believe we need to change our Constitution. Well its worked for this long and what makes them think it won't work for all in the future?
the sword=ignorance is bliss! Obama doesnt even need to spend any money to win the nomination. Romney is hated more than Obama imo. The rethugs are going to be crying fowl in November. Obama is a leader far more than Romney. Do you want to know why? Because he is a morman(follower). They do not lead anything..they follow joe(mythical)smith. And besides anyone that has been spoon fed like mormon boy has usually are poor leaders. (Bush comes to mind) He is one of those yes sir, no sir people. Its in his makeup. Where did Romney go to college? Anyone know? Could it be BYU? Did he graduate? We are going to find out alot about this thug in the next few months that people are not going to like. Like his wife offering him another wife a few years back? I look forward to November so I can shoot my mouth off to my ignorant rethug fans and then tell them to shut the hell up. freaks!
Romney can win over Obama. Santorum, Gingrich and Paul cannot. Four more years of uber liberal leadership or 4 years (plus, maybe) of fiscal conservative action. Romney will not take on the social conservative issues (abortion, religon in schools, etc.) but will fix the economy - lower debt, balance the budget, etc. He may even raise taxes if the funds are used to reduce debt and not support more spending. We need him to win.
manhattanron- Uber Liberal? Obama is a moderate.
Romney can't raise tax's, he already signed his pledge to Grover. He's already embraced the Ryan budget, it only decimates all entitlements, so to bad for seniors and the poor. But great for the rich, and also adds to the debt. But keep living in lala land.
Romney the Godfather of Obama care.
Name the last Republican President to balance the budget, that didn't grow Government or add to the debt?
How does cutting the compounded rate of growth back to roughly what it was pre-Obama "decimate" anything? Govt. budgeting is a farce. It is like me saying that I made $38,000 last year, $42,000 this year and expect to make $50,000 next year. Next year when I make only $44,000, I claim that my income was "cut by $6,000"!
hummbird - why not name any president that didn't add to our public debt during their administration? Best review the differences between romneycare and obamacare as well.
manhattanron,
Romney cannot secure 270 electoral votes. To do so he'd have to win VA, PA, NC, FL & OH, he cannot lose a single one. In 2008, Obama won all 5, this year he'll only have to win 1 of the 5 to secure 270 electoral votes, and as luck would have it, he's polling ahead of Romney in most of them, especially here in Virginia. Obama won 365 electoral votes in 2008, so this November he doesn't need to do nearly as well to win, and seriously, how is Romney any better of a choice than John McCain was? Ultra-right wing evangelical pseudo-Christians dislike Romney even more than they did McCain. It's pretty much statistically impossible for Romney to win.
Their is no single radical republican that can beat our President in November period, that includes the pipsqueak in the penny loafers who can't cut his own fingernails let alone a proper budget for the good of the majority.
hummbird-3359530
That would be Dwight Eisenhower. Now YOU name the last democrat controlled congress to preside when the budget was balanced.
I'm pretty sure Paul can win against Obama. In fact they did a survey, and Paul's got better chances against Obama than even Romney does.
It's 9:28 Central time and they've only counted 25% of the votes in Wisconsin, so how have you determined a winner? Weird... I think you might have jumped the gun a little on this article. Especially considering how close it is at this point.
The only job Paul could be good at would be an execution witness at our state penitentiary's
Obama 2012!
Romney is on the cusp of winning the award from his party as the least likely to lose to President Obama while most of his party hold their own noses. He beat out such worthy opponents as wild-eyed and crazy Bachmann, slurring Rick Perry that is either drunk or stoned out of his mind, Newt, the true conservative that can't keep his lizard in his pants or his hands out the cookie jar. Then there is Santorum. The sweater-vest Jesus freak that everyone avoided like the plague all through high-school.
Finally beating all of the crazies says less about The Mitt than the fact that each and everyone of them once held a considerable lead over the now obvious Republican champion. The Republicans seriously considered each and every screwball before finally settling on Romney. He wasn't the biggest loser in this contest, but the littlest loser. A loser all the same.
I can't wait for the debates in the general election. Romney has worn the bullseye on every inch of his body since the earliest primaries. No amount of back-peddling can provide him a reasonable escape. President Obama can take random shots while blindfolded and hit a bullseye every single time.
I think Romney is probably a pretty decent guy in his own world. His world is completely alien to the real world where the average American lives and struggles in these difficult times. Our real world is completely alien to him as well. The man's dream of leading the free world was only a long-sought fantasy in his own mind. The Republican voters in this wacky primary tried to tell him so. No matter the amount of glitter, ribbons and bows they place on their long last hope, the American electorate does not have to field so many crazies to reach the same conclusion and act accordingly.
"We found out today that he's going to divide us in order to distract us,"
That's Obama's only hope, since he certainly can't run on his economic record or his foreign policies.
The election this year will focus on whether we can afford 4 more years of Obama.
Here are the Deficit figures for the last 5 Presidents - with a link to the official government source to verify;
Reagan (1981-1988) = $1.339 Trillion over 8 years, or $167 Billion per year.
Bush 1 (1989-1992) = $933 Billion over 4 years, or $233 Billion per year.
Clinton (1993-2000) = $320 Billion over 8 years, or $40 Billion per year.
Bush 2 (2001-2008) = $2.006 Trillion over 8 years, or $251 Billion per year.
Obama (2009-2012p) = $5.333 Trillion (Proj) over first 4 years, or $1,333 Billion per year. That's $4.6 Trillion more than Bush spent in his first 4 years.
If Obama is reelected, he projects another $5 Trillion of Deficits in the next 4 years, or over $10 Trillion which our children and grandchildren will have as a 'millstone' around their necks for their entire lives. Running up huge debts is a great way to 'pander for votes', but somebody will have to pay it back (our children) - with interest. Here's the official government link - See Table 1.3;
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
PS – Let's also look at the 'JOBS' picture under Obama;
The total average number of people employed in 2008 (Bush's last year, including losses at the end of 2008) = 136,790,000.
The total average people employed in 2011 (Obama's 3rd year) = 131,359,000 – that's a LOSS under Obama of 5,431,000 net jobs. Here's the Link to official Bureau of Labor Statistics site on
employment to verify - Compare jobs for 2011 vs 2008;
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt
@Rick- Bill Clinton
41 Senators & 238 Congressmen (plus Mitt & Newt) have all signed the "Norquist Pledge" to NOT raise taxes on the Rich! Don't touch the "TAX CODE" with its $1.1 TRILLION in "breaks"?? (Plus it allows 45% to pay NOTHING??) Keep all the "cuts" & "caps"?? "Romney & Ryan"; do away with Medicare & Social Security, as we know it??? WHERE IS THE "NET"?? "Tea Party People", follow your "namesakes"; grab your "axes" and just "AX THE TAX CODE"?? That is where your "DEFICIT" IS??
Roy... Your numbers may be fact but who was left to clean up the damage already done. That's right, our President. Amazes me how fact numbers are used verse's actual accrude damage.
Romney is the same end result as Obama.
Roy; 2 Things; The last balanced budget WAS under Clinton AND at the end of 2008 we were losing 700,000 JOBS EVERY MONTH??
Momus2009
Momus...maybe this will help? Oh ya, the only one's that get ANY tax breaks are the one's that pay tax to begin with. You most likely are not in that crowd!
September 2007:[Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $9.815 trillion
July 2008: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $10.615 trillion
October 2008: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $11.315 trillion
December 2009: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $12.394 trillion
February 2010: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $14.294 trillion
What are we now?
ALMOST 16 TRILLION!?!?! Way to spend our tax money
Mr. Big $PENDER OBAMA - Epic Fail
How can you say that liberals are in charge yes obama is president but republicans have had the majority in the house and senate for the last four years and have stonewalled or blocked the majority of what obama has tried to do. They have shown their lack of care for the working man by holding unemployment hostage, and holding the jobs of federal workers hostage to get their way even ruining the nations credit rating to get their way; and just this week voting o strip medicare for seniors while increasing tax beaks to companies for send ing jobs over seas. Then there are the constant lies and miss information spread about plans to help the elderly and poor. How can any politician or person call themselves a christian or a person of faith when they elect and vote for politicians or against programs to help the poor the widowed the orphaned and the sick; when the bible and all articles of faith command us to take care of them, but I guess that would take money away from the rich, the preachers, and the politicains and we just can't have that.
Roy, that was excellent. You are showing the first four years of Obama when he's been president for three years. Very excellent.
You are also here again with average 2008 jobs versus average 2011 jobs. Would it be okay if I compared The amount of jobs in Jan 2009 to the amount of jobs in March 2012? You'll find that there are more jobs now than when Obama started? Is that okay? I was wondering because it might go against the crux of your argument and you're a political hack who doesn't like it when the raw numbers go against you're spin machine.
Might I see you here on Friday morning? I'm hoping to compare the amount of jobs there are in America today with the number of jobs there were in Bush's last month.
dante2308 "Roy, that was excellent. You are showing the first four years of Obama when he's been president for three years. Very excellent."
Comprehension problem? Most people know that 'Proj.' means Projected for 2012 (Obama's Projection).
Obama (2009-2012p) = $5.333 Trillion (Proj) over first 4 years.
Duh.
As for your comment "You'll find that there are more jobs now than when Obama started", that's simply not true - you're listening too much to media 'spin'. The total number of people working now is still about 2 million less than when Obama took office, according to official figures from the government's Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Averages are much more meaningful than quoting what happened on a certain date. Would you have judged FDR solely on what happened on December 7, 1941 (Pearl Harbor)?
donbcms "Roy; 2 Things; The last balanced budget WAS under Clinton AND at the end of 2008 we were losing 700,000 JOBS EVERY MONTH??"
The Republican Congress set the Budget (and Surplus) for Clinton's last 4 years, so give credit where credit is due.
Job losses (first time claims for unemployment) peaked the week of December 20 2008, and by the time Obama took office a month later, they had declined by about 25%, so the 'bottom' actually occurred while Bush was still in office. The job picture was improving significantly when Obama was sworn in, but his anti-business policies slowed it down.
Obama = United Socialist States of America. Calling Obama a socialist is being kind, he's a communist. Anyone else terrified over the "private" conversations he's having with RUSSIA! While he's stabbing our ally Poland in the back. We need this man out of office. Anyone can replace him a do a better job. Obama is leading America to hell and throwing out the Constitution and individual rights on the way. He hates the Constitution he hates free market, he wants us all to have to rely on the government because he's smart and we're dumb.
Anyone but Osama 2012 oh I mean Obama.
Roy. I have the same access to the official figures as you do. For example, I know that the 2009 fiscal year begins in 2008 and I know who was president in 2008. Also, I know that there were 110,260,000 institutional private sector jobs in February 2009 and as of February 2012, there are 110,711,000 jobs. What you'll find when you get to certain level of math is that the latter number is greater than the former number.
What's great about the BLS is that it also reports total jobs on a monthly basis!
February 2009: 141,660,000
February 2012: 142,065,000
You'll find that the second number is lower than the first number and soon you'll also find that two million less is not more. Actually less is the opposite or more come to think of it.
I guess the best thing to do with that yearly average would be to use 2009 as a benchmark for jobs created under Obama. Otherwise you might end up thinking something erroneous like 6 million jobs were lost during his tenure when there was a net increase. We wouldn't want that now would we? No that would be like lying. Have a great day! I hope you continue to learn more about statistics and math.
Opps I said the second number is lower. I guess I made a bit of a Roy inspired mistake there. to all who can't tell, 142,065,000 is actually greater than 141,660,000. Please look closely at the numbers Roy.
neman2:
Oh, grow up for heaven's sake! Have you ever had an original thought in your life?
"Socialist, communist, Nazi, fascist, Muslim,".....pretty tired, neman2.
Roy, again I have the same access to information as you. Weekly jobless claims peaked the week of March 28th, 2009 which you'll find is actually not before Obama took office.
12/20/2008: 586,000
3/28/2009: 667,000
Again, you might be surprised to find that the latter number is higher suggesting that the recovery began in March 2009 under an entirely different president than the one in charge during December 20th. I'm sure you just got confused. It's OK. 6 digit numbers are a stumbler.
The article mistakenly states that the Pennsylvania primary is April 23rd:
"Polls were set to close at 9 p.m. ET in Wisconsin, the top prize in Tuesday’s slate of contests. Romney had battled fiercely in the state against Santorum, who needed a win there to keep his hopes alive heading into the next group of contests on April 23, which includes his native Pennsylvania."
The correct date is Tuesday, April 24, 2012.
Bye Frothy Santorum......you can suck it up and go away now!
Another Fools prayers that fell deaf on Jeezus ears
Liberals 2012
Liberal Congress 2012
Obama 2012
Romney and a lot of others have spent much money to get to see him get the very hell beat out of him this November. None will spend their money in vain. He is, by far and away, the weaker candidate against the President. The republican establishment really fooled themselves with the used "Nash" dealer.
Vote Obama 2012. That's all you gotta do.
I finally learned how to spell Obama. I'm trying to break my mental tick about the way I used to mention his last name. I dunno whether I am fully cured. Lessee about the near future. I am not a bigot. But Romney is just too "rich whitey" for me. Ronmey does not represent me.
I'm white and Mittens is too "rich whitey" for me .He doesn't represent me either
Romney says , "Corporations are people too." So where is the birth certificate of a corporation? Where are the birthers when you need one?
It would be a mistake to pick someone average to be our president just because he/she would be "representative" of us. Choose an “average American” at random. Chances are that he or she would:
- Cause an NFL team to lose if playing quarterback
- Sound awful playing a violin solo with the Philadelphia Symphony
- Be quickly checkmated by a Russian chess grandmaster
- Hurt the country's economy and world position if chosen as President.
The point is that becoming world-class at anything takes a huge amount of training, experience, and natural aptitude. Governing a country is no exception. Romney has demonstrated that he is truly extraordinary at planning, organizing, negotiating, etc. Everything, in fact, that is required to be a world-class US President. If that makes his personality a little inaccessible to the common man, that is understandable … and acceptable.
good question, starsailng. And since they are people, too, I am tired of tax money supporting them through massive subsidies and tax breaks. Talk about welfare!
The other candidates running for President from the GOP group , ought to hang up the towel, especially Santorium (Santorum); if they keep running and bad mouthing Romney, their Political Careers are over---maybe it is a sublimal wish for them.
Romney vs. Obama---it should be a wicked Election---watch for the nastiest one ever for Americans to experience. Politics is another kind of War---it will be Petroleum prices, the Economy, War in Afghanistan/dealing with Pakistan, and fresh new ideas on how to solve the extreme woes all Americans are feeling.
Does Romney have a "Plan"? Does Pres. Obama have a Plan?
Talking does not "win".
No Romney you ditz, its a "society-centered government." Gees dude, you can't campaign your way out of a paper bag.
Teapublicans, you have the option of staying home, writing in the name of someone you really wanted to vote for, or hey, just rel-elect President Obama and "do no harm."
Here is a Valley Girl version of this: Like OMG, who are these clowns? Like you know, Some pizza guy, Yosemite Sam, and a crazy-eyed chick with too much make up... Oh my gawwd, how embarrassing. This is like, crazy, like make it stop.
Romney/Ryan -- We Hate America, er uh, Restore the American Nightmare, oh wait, heck just vote for us.
Bah Baah Baaah 2012.
Sheep 2012.
Liberal/conservative: two sides of the sheep coin. Sheep it up, sheep.
Romney had no substance in his acceptance speeches after winning primary elections in three states. The only thing I here him saying is that I believe in America which is condescending. President Obama gave very specific examples in his speech when he addressed the "AP". I did not here anything specific from Romney. The presidential candidates and the republican party have been attacking the president for months. It was very good to see the president set them straight and not lay down an continue to be trampled on. The President actions shows, "GAME ON", etcha sketch Romney. Romney tried so hard to respond to Obam's speech and was not able because he can only speak in generalities that does not have any meaning.
what5000 wil be suicidal come November. Not that that is a bad ting.
This is all you have? A sociopath lying to you in speeches? The man is a war criminal just like Bush, and you listen to his lies? You are a total sheep.
The hell with you and Romney and Obama...damned warmongers and their apologists.
Well, everything except caring about the citizens of the country who aren't also rich whiteys.
Interesting, when it comes to prosecuting said "corporations" for misdeeds there is no issue with treating a corporation as an entity but when it comes to other issues...you want to strip those rights away. You can't have your cake and eat it as well. If you read the opinion on the Supreme Court ruling, that is in a basic sense the outcome. You can't pick and choose which rights to uphold for anyone, including a business or an individual entity.The utter incompetence of some of the left is absolutely unbelievable sometimes.
It is great to see that you are falling into the mainstream media/Obama trap. What happened to the candidate Obama that wanted to meet peole in the middle of the road and bring everyone closer together? I bet if you looked at the budget from last year where the GOP gave Obama EVERYTHING that he wanted and added other topics in there that would have satisfied their side of the aisle. Just released by the Washington Post that he wouldn't sign it. Why wouldn't he sign something that gave him everything in a budget that he wanted...to make it look like the right wasn't doing anything "for the people". You guys are extreme tools...
Kannin,
what???? Romney failed miserably as a governor. what did he plan, organize, or negotiated?
Oh Yes, Romney spent 200 days in 2006 (while still the governor of Massachusetts) on planning, organizing, and negotiating his campaign to be the GOP candidate for president in 2008.
What did Romney accomplish? a 34% approval rating in Mass and losing to the guy who lost to President Obama.
the birth certificates are in Hawaii and they are all real.
Hey is Romney throwing a hail hitler in this picture or what.
I didn't know corporations could fit into prisons.
I'm appalled at the amount of blatant racism displayed by the Left on this vine. Whitey? I'm appalled but not surprised. The juvenile nature of the Left Wing Liberal/Progressive Wack Jobs on here is to be expected. I believe it will get more and more so as gas prices continue to rise, job growth continues to be anemic, more Sylandra type "green" energy companies go bankrupt, the national debt continues to soar, Obamacare is rightly found to be Unconstitutional, and the invasion from the Southern border continues unchecked. The question I have is what can the big eared jug headed incompetent loser hang his hat on, besides his big eared jug headed - head? The idealist children had their 4 years of wreaking havoc. Time for the adults to take back over. The adults that have experience. You know the experience of actually having had a real paying job sometime in their life? Hopefully the disaster that occupies the White House will linger in the memories of the citizens of this nation and it will be a long time before some media created cult of personality e.g. Justin Bieber, Lady Gaga, etc..., with radical insane ideas, occupies it again.
ROY WILSON-336103
"We found out today that he's going to divide us in order to distract us,"
That's Obama's only hope, since he certainly can't run on his economic record or his foreign policies.
The election this year will focus on whether we can afford 4 more years of Obama.
Here are the Deficit figures for the last 5 Presidents - with a link to the official government source to verify;
Reagan (1981-1988) = $1.339 Trillion over 8 years, or $167 Billion per year.
Bush 1 (1989-1992) = $933 Billion over 4 years, or $233 Billion per year.
Clinton (1993-2000) = $320 Billion over 8 years, or $40 Billion per year.
Bush 2 (2001-2008) = $2.006 Trillion over 8 years, or $251 Billion per year.
Obama (2009-2012p) = $5.333 Trillion (Proj) over first 4 years, or $1,333 Billion per year. That's $4.6 Trillion more than Bush spent in his first 4 years.
If Obama is reelected, he projects another $5 Trillion of Deficits in the next 4 years, or over $10 Trillion which our children and grandchildren will have as a 'millstone' around their necks for their entire lives. Running up huge debts is a great way to 'pander for votes', but somebody will have to pay it back (our children) - with interest. Here's the official government link - See Table 1.3;
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals
PS – Let's also look at the 'JOBS' picture under Obama;
The total average number of people employed in 2008 (Bush's last year, including losses at the end of 2008) = 136,790,000.
The total average people employed in 2011 (Obama's 3rd year) = 131,359,000 – that's a LOSS under Obama of 5,431,000 net jobs. Here's the Link to official Bureau of Labor Statistics site on
employment to verify - Compare jobs for 2011 vs 2008;
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt
Regardless the amount of waste the government spends it never comes back to the public plate..
Obama, Romney came from different molds, they end up at the same place..
i am so glad Romney is pulling ahead and will no doubt get the nomination. this country has been leaderless for the past 3-4 years. recovery is in sight with Romney! i can no longer give anything Obama does and has done credit. imagine apologizing for this country in front of foreign diplomats. its time to go Obama, not sorry to see you leave either. your presidency falls under lessons learned!
I think you have that backwards, FormerSGT.
Plastic Romeny for President makes me sooooooo excited. Santorum would've been much more fun.
But regardless go for Obama 2012!
republican's,when your starving and your choice is eating out of a garbage can or death,ya eat from the garbage! so romney's your choice! OBAMA 4 more years!!!!!! tee hee
It's very simple, really. Romney does not represent me. I don't trust what he says.
There are plenty of other voters who feel the same way.
I hope Santorum continues to attack Romney and divide the GOP.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
What5000
Congressional Generic Ballot on the Neutral polls show republicans favored by 1 - 4 points consistently. That means a pick-up in seats in the House.
From the latest RCP polls on the senate, if the election were held today, Republicans would be 52-46-2 (independents). That is a pick up of 3 seats in the past month.
Your only hope is Obama - who is range is -2 - +6 (on the less partisan polls that are using likely voters) and even they have a lean toward the liberal side by 2 points.
Your post isn't reflective of the reality.
Since when did it become a crime to be successful in the United States of America. I can't believe that alot of you liberals out there still believe Obama is some sort of Messiah God like that he is going to win the election in November. Well guess what? You libs may get up early and spend most of your time on these boards trying to make it seem that everyone is feeling the same.
President Obama IMHO has done absolutely ZERO for any sort of Economic turnaround. Stimulus is not the answer and the government doesn't create jobs. Get it through your thick skulls. It is the Free enterprise industries that most you libs already patronize and yet you make yourselves out to be some sort of "Righteous We are the Truth Party" when you guys don't get it. Its not the President who sets policy or spending limits for the government. Its the US House of Representatives and the Senate. Unless your Obama and just circumvent Congress and the Senate by Executive Order.
It was the then Democratically Controlled Congress that approved the Budget under President Bush's terms of office. It was not til elections of 2010 that the House went Republican and the Senate remained controlled by the Democrats which for all yours information. The leader of the Senate is the one stonewalling any legislation that has the Republican mark of approval. This is not working together. Its nothing more than Obama causing division. Like it says in the Art of War. Divide and Conquer. A House Divided Cannot Stand.
Obama has done more in his time in office to DIVIDE Americans instead of the promise of Uniting us and being the President to all people. I guess if I was rich and a leader of a Union, or Solar Energy company I would be favored my Obama. The SLEEPING GIANT has been awakened. It took one President to do it. That is the SILENT MAJORITY will speak out this election and Obama will be out of office I am sad to inform you Obamamites who seem to think he can do no wrong.
BTW quit making it sound like your the majority of Americans. I can say your not and that's what gives me comfort. That many many Americans will be voting Obama out of office not because he's African American or a Democrat. He's out because he can't seal the deal that the insiders want done. You guys actually think your comments will make a difference. Not at all does your opinion matter to this President, all he cares about is POWER. When I say this I say it from doing countless hours of calling people for a campaign. What I am hearing out there is that most are tired of Obama and his blame game and do nothing Presidency and they want him gone. He will be gone in 2012 because he can't get the job done.
That job is to bring America along with the rest of the Nations in the UN. To remove our Constitution and what it stands for so that the UN policy's can be implemented in our nation. Then we will like many other UN nations have done be under the UN's Constitution which is a far cry from the ones our Fore Fathers penned into existence. There also many libs out there and Republicans who believe we need to change our Constitution. Well its worked for this long and what makes them think it won't work for all in the future?
Roy Wilson thank you for your real numbers. These are actual facts. For the one who said if you where in the Auto industry you would disagree with Romney. Well for your information under Government Motors during 2009 when they where shutting down dealerships. They had not ryhm or reason for their selections. It almost seemed that unless you where in agreement with the new GM you where shut down. for instance a dealer who had been in business for 80 years was shut down and they as a dealer had better Customer Satisfaction Numbers than the dealer they allowed to stay open in the same town. GM lost my support way back in the 80's when a GM executive told me that GM purposefully builds cars to break because they make for monies on the Warranty and Parts sold after the fact. So yeah I was in the Industry and it just got worse and worse. GM would of been far better off without the Unions. The Unions don't care about you at all. They even admit that GM was able to hire people for less wages now then back then. So for those who where earning $30 - $40 an hour and where laid off. Your replacements where hired on at $15 an hour in the plant in Tennessee that is building the new Sonic.
Oh BTW Roy Wilson they won't believe those facts even though they came from an Official Government website unless their Messiah says so. They don't want the facts. Because the Facts will kill Obama's chance for re-election.
The Obama campaign strategy is a simple one, blame. Blame Bush. Blame the Republicans in the House. Blame big oil. Blame Israel. Blame the Koch brothers. Blame the Supreme Court. Blame insurance companies. Blame, blame, blame...
No wonder the Democratic Party has become the gimme crowd with hands out to the government. There is no personal responsibility from Obama, and as such none from his supporters. Blame, blame, blame...
Since Obama can't run on his record, blame is his game. So all the Obama supporters should be waving signs that read Obama/Biden 2012 4 More Years of Blame! Blame, blame, blame...
Obama will go down in history as the worst president ever. History will treat him very harshly. Although Obama spends his days blaming everyone else for his failures, history will in fact blame him.
I'm white, middle age, and in a higher tax bracket, so I'm probably in the top 10%, but although Romney might benefit me specifically in financial ways, that comes at a very high cost to the other 90% who are struggling as it is. I wince at tax time, but I know that paying my fair share is helping those less fortunate for whatever reasons and a country is only as strong as the entire community is and not just the top tiers. I give back to the community in several ways and believe everyone should also within their ability to do so in time, money, or both. Since I genuinely care about the health and well being of all Americans and believe it takes all of us together to make things better, I obviously will have to vote for Democrats for almost all offices this fall. There are a couple local races, where some more progressive Republicans seem to be the better choice over lackluster Democratic candidates, so I'm waiting to see if they continue to stay moderate or take the Tea Party bait and swing far right, in which case I cannot support them.
The bottom line is I'm an independent and don't vote a straight ticket, but the way the GOP is and has been going, my voting history is starting to look more and more like one. I cannot support Romney in this election and will be lending support to and voting for Obama for re-election. More and more people I know who you would assume would be Republican all the way are also expressing some serious concerns about Romney. If they don't vote for Obama., they 'll vote for a third party or just not vote, but they really don't like Romney enough to even pass the "anybody but Obama" test.
Spoken like a true patriot, mike!
It's so refreshing to hear words of compassion and concern for the community. I hope there are plenty more like you out there!
GOP = Grand Old Pigs
It's time to ask Romney to fire Limbaugh from Clear Channel or feel the WRATH OF WOMEN. Romney needs to fire him or sell his stock in Clear Channel!!!!
Roy. I have the same access to the official figures as you do. For example, I know that the 2009 fiscal year begins in 2008 and I know who was president in 2008. Also, I know that there were 110,260,000 institutional private sector jobs in February 2009 and as of February 2012, there are 110,711,000 jobs. What you'll find when you get to certain level of math is that the latter number is greater than the former number.
What's great about the BLS is that it also reports total jobs on a monthly basis!
February 2009: 141,660,000
February 2012: 142,065,000
You'll find that the second number is greater than the first number and soon you'll also find that two million less is not more. Actually less is the opposite or more come to think of it.
I guess the best thing to do with that yearly average would be to use 2009 as a benchmark for jobs created under Obama. Otherwise you might end up thinking something erroneous like 6 million jobs were lost during his tenure when there was a net increase. We wouldn't want that now would we? No that would be like lying. Have a great day! I hope you continue to learn more about statistics and math.
dante2308
you will find out that Roy Wislon copies and pastes the same post EVERYWHERE. and they are useless figures. For one, as you said, budgets overlap different administration so, for example, until end of September of 2009 really belongs to Bush and that year was not a good year.
Second, Roy treats the numbers like they were created in a vacuum meaning, what Obama inherited equals to what Bush inherited. And they are like 2 opposite sides of the spectrums.
Roy feels that paying for 2 wars (1 not) falls fully on Obama. Roy feels that the high unemployemnt is Obama's fault. Too bad all that came from the previous administration.
Oh yes, no blaming Bush anymore. What he did doesn't count I guess...
Mitt Romney is a very bad joke that has been thrust upon the American people. Not only is he a serial liar he also has the personality of a gym sock. Now that he has lied his way to the GOP nomination he thinks he can lie his way to the presidency. We all know that the world thought Bush was a joke but if the American public is dumb enough to put Romney in the White House we can expect the rest of the world to move on without us because they'll think we're all insane.
Obama : Grad of Harvard Law School, .......Obamacare, job market coming back nicely,only 4.5% unemployed here in Massachusetts, stock market UP to pre Bush wipeout debacle.
Romney : Grad of Harvard Law School ,and of Harvard Business School,.....Romneycare, a more comprehensive healthcare requirement than Obamacare, which is a watered down version of Romneycare....98.5% of Massachusetts residents now have health insurance, which means our Emergency rooms no longer crammed with poor people who formerly had no health insurance and waited too long to see a doctor, till they were at deaths door and were transported to the ER
Roadkill-
Harry Reid isn't running..........and it's "mormon".
Let me correct, just for the spelling nazi:
"The Liberal MORON wins the GOP primary!"
There, all correct.
All good
The liberal MORON 'Obama' was running in the GOP primary?
or Momo as we used to call our LDS friends, Mormons in Utah
What's up with Romney speaking. He smacks his lips after each sentence. It's really annoying.
So, this year, the selection for presidential candidates are:
1. A ridiculously rich "Liberal Mormon"
2. A crazy fundamentalist who takes no BS from reporters
3. A big-headed adulterer
4. An incummbent president who sold the US economy to China
5. A long shot independent whose chief means of advertising is spray paint on overpasses
Decisions, decisions...
Will - I think you kind of grasp the problem, but dig a little deeper.
Who people don't relate to, cannot really identify with.
He is neither crazy, nor a fundamentalist - He is a conservative trying to lead by example, honest, and transparent to the fault of answers all questions including the barrage of Social issue questions he should say no to. Ron Paul would be a better example of a libertarian fundementalist.
The adultery is of the past, keep moving forward! He is an academic that is intellectually dishonest to himself about the realities.
and has regulated business more that double what relief he has given. He tries to bully anyone who disagrees with him - including the US Supreme Court - and they haven't rendered a decision yet.
That is so funny, and might be true. What the whole story is that he is trying to buy the nomination by getting people favorable to him elected as delegates already committed to other candidates. The reason he won the CPAC poll 3 years in a row was because he bought the seats necessary and gave those to people favorable to him. He narrowly lost this year because Romney used the same tactic.
Yeah, expect the Tampa convention to be the same as 1976. Republicans said the same things about Reagan that year and nominated Gerald Ford - Who lost. After they had nominated Ford, Reagan addressed the convention and many who voted for Ford left saying "We nominated the wrong guy".
Romney hasn't won, because the conservative branch of the membership are saying that Romney is the wrong Guy.
DB Akron,
That is a great and concise synopsis of the entire field in a fair and unbiased way. There is no perfect candidate, but most of this field are much more imperfect than the one we now have in office.
I actually wonder if the GOP is actively trying to lose this election by enough of a margin to be able to rid itself of the Tea Party and ultra-right as influences and swing back towards center as a more moderate party that better represents the majority of the country. If they continue to go right, they will keep losing support and will be heading towards being a fringe party.
He won with no votes counted... WOW!!! 0% in ?
I'm sure it's because of lopsided exit polling.
Not at all - your vote doesn't count. The media choose the winner - didn't you get the memo.
He won with no votes counted... WOW!!! 0% in ?
...Hey, it's the Republican WAy
JODIE FOSTER FOR POTUS 2012.
Because she's smart and she's hott.
There was an article I saw once, that said...( in referring to abuse- be it verbal, emotional or physical)- if you have a bruise, it is probably best to at least present the other arm for bruising. It hurts less than to continue to get it over and over in the same spot.
Not the greatest idea- but what it explained in the article was to DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY!
That is what I will do, in November, 2012. I will not help this current president have another term- even though I may not be fond of the opposition. I know what the current pres can do- and it isn't what i like or agree with. Try again!
The hot one killed it in 2008, and she even could see Russia from her house. Hotness is over-rated.
it was tina fey that could see russia lol! this election is an even bigger farse than the last one we get to vote for obama or obama lite please say it aint so! if you are too blind to see that obama is well on his way to enslaving us then I say you deserve your fate but the rest of us who see the truth dont ........unfortunately it appears the opposition is is of the same cloth with a different parties support! God help us all!!!!!
How is one a Washington outsider if you win DC?
Perhaps he got some of his buddies at Baine Financial to do it the way many, including arguably a rino would do it.... Buy people's votes, in exchange for a few fiscal incentives :p OK, perhaps not the most serious of statements; but then again some of these politicians do seem prone to funny business. Just ask Jon Corzine :o Speaking of which, when the FBI finishes investigating his activities at MF Financial, I wonder if they will find out what ol Corzine did with some of New Jersey's money, the time he was govenor there....
Your comment is ignorant. You do realize that the transplanted politicians, who make up the Congress, vote in their respective home states. The citizens / voters of Washington DC are primarily middle class and greatly diversified. Should they have stayed home and not voted?
tbh, perhaps you should be less prone to call ignorance in a posting that is given rather tongue in cheek... Else you could end up making yourself look like a good candidate for trolling; though as you hadn't posted until after; trolling you wasn't the intent....
I guess sarcasm escapes you? :o :d Also, it might be best to not assume that DC doesn't have any "not so nice" parts of town where crime is higher... But in either case, poking fun at politicians lack of morality, is as much par for the course as looking at politician got involved in another sex scandle and being like "yeah, figures" :p It certainly would be more entertaining to joke about politicians, then try to take one of Romney's speeches seriously, while resisting the urge to yawn.
Lobbyists
Wonder what Santorum is thinking now. Not being on the ballot! Darn those new election laws. Sort of got turned around, huh?
Romney is a slippery little slimeball who should not be trusted to watch a snail race unless he is the course.
But the slimmy and fraudulent "president" Obama (the "good for nothing" who was voted president by fraud) is worth the trust??? Are you kidding me??
Before Obama "became" president, there were enough bad news about him and the media and leftists bough his seat as president, had and has a very shady past and present. The blame everyone else president, he never accepts any responsibility for things that have gone wrong after the nightmare of having him in the White House, but he takes the credit that is due to President Bush for oil drillings and other good things that are the results of Bush's presidency.
Estrella- A mind is a terrible thing to waste, are you late for your medications? LOL
hummingbird,
good that you can state a mind is a terrible thing to waste - really poor response attacking someone.
You have no idea what you are talking about..... lol
Hi Fred,
And you do? By what authority? I'm going against the personal attacks in the comments.
As a Veteran, I'm disgusted at what politicians in our country have done for decades against We the People. Not just economics, but the root cause of our problems, turning Godless. I'll pray for you Fred. Try to turn your sights toward your last hour on earth and where does God want the world to be at final judgement. It's not lol, it's alot of prayer. God Bless You Fred.
Not personal at all.... Just would like to see everyone research their beliefs to see if they are valid. I have looked at spending comparisons between Bush and Obama. There are actually real budget numbers all over the internet. Start with the CBO and go from there. It is shameful how many people don't really strive to discover the truth for such an important decision as to who we place in the office of POTUS!
HOLY SH!T!!! Did I just read somebody defending Bush's presidency? I don't even think most Republicans even want to think about that lame duck redneck anymore than they have to considering how he left the country when Obama was elected. No president had done more to destroy anything good about our country and its honor since Clinton was getting bj's in the White House. Do you know how bad you have to suck to be considered a step down from a guy sexing interns? Please don't tell me you are saying Obama has destroyed all the "good" Bush did. It hurts my brain...
Estrella....Government is God, and liberals don't make mistakes. Personal responsibility is forbidden because the government is supposed to tell you when to eat, go to the bathroom, what to do for a living, etc. North Korea = The liberal utopia!
Hey LB, get the government out of teabaggers life huh, so then they vote for republicans who want to privatize their soc sec, the post office, their medicare, make voter suppression laws which cost millions of dollars of taxpayer money, take away contraceptives, kill planned parenthood where women get all kinds of exams for healthcare, make their taxes go up while giving more tax breaks to the rich, they vote against taking away tax breaks for corporations taking job overseas, vote against taking away welfare susidies for the ceos of big oil who testified they don't need subsidies, eyc, etc.......crashed the economy, gave up catching Bin Laden, started fake Iraq war to get money to war profiteers while killing thousands of our soldiers and wounding thousands more...........as usual dems have to clean up the mess.
LB - Read this: Strawman Argument
As far as trust, I wouldn't trust him with my dog. Poor thing might get entangled in a car elevator.
hummbird-3359530, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Why the heck won't Gingrich and Paul drop out? They must know that they can't win! This race is between Romney and Santorum. All Gingrich wants is for his name to be in the list of US Presidents, and Paul is a pacifist, as he does not want us to be involved in any wars. Not where this country needs to be.
jjmac:
Please share with us the list of wars which you think that this country "should" be involved in right now!
jjmac it's still anyones game till GOP Convention... Romney needs 1144 to win the first ballot at the convention. If not then it will be a brokered convention... Meaning all bound delegates are up for grabs... Did you know that Paul had over 5,000 people in attendance at the Wisconsin rally? The crowds keep growing! That doesn't sound like a campaign that's ready to quit anytime soon! The primaries are pretty much dog and pony shows!
You do realize don't you that Obama and Romney campaigns are funded by the same corporate interest... Don't you?
What are you saying we need to be in more wars?! Well if you backing Romney or Obama you have the right choices!
Santorum needs to get lost too
He is out there talking to a shrinking crowd that totals to about 100 if that
It's over Frothey....go punch a hole in the wall
I thought Gingrich did drop out, that was reported on the news the other day. He's doing book tours now, you know selling people Crap for MULA
This country does not need to be involved in any wars right now. Ron Paul knows that. The MSM is pushing because they know that Romney can't beat Obama.They are ignoring Paul because he a threat to their establishment. People may not like Paul but he has the right ideas. Romney is just about taking care of the rich on the backs of the middle class.
Ron Paul wants a pony.
what5000, Gingrich has been doing one long book tour since he entered his name to be a presidential candidate. He was promoting his book at events.
Exactly where this country needs to be. NO MORE WARS- come home now!
Do we all know why the draft was eliminated? So mothers and fathers wouldn't be yelling about their kids dying and possibly getting limbs blown off, or coming back with fatal lung diseases and parents and family wouldn't be hanging yellow ribbons all over the nation.
Ron Paul has it- but he'll never get anywhere in this political arena. He isn't kissing the proper people every morning and every night. Everyone with half a brain knows what is happening here!
...because they insist on putting their own egos before their country. There's a lot of that in Washington.
I read somewhere that politicians who are losing have a lot of motivation to stay in a race until their campaign funds are all spent. It turns out that the bookkeeping is a nightmare if there is money remaining after a campaign.
starsailing wrote:
The world would be a lot better off if everyone had a pony.
Because the media is failing to tell you three important facts:
1. If Romney doesn't get his over 1100 delegates before the Convention, he isn't the nominee. He'll have to strike a deal to get those delegates, and really all anyone can do is ask their supporters to vote Romney on the first ballot of the Convention.
2. If Romney doesn't get those 1100ish delegates at the Convention on the first ballot, then all delegates are unbound legally, and can vote their conscience.
3. The Paul campaign has the majority of delegates in terms of unbound and those bound to other candidates. They were elected delegates, while the other candidates supporters were not (due to not participating in the process). So if Mitt loses that first ballot, it's a Brokered Convention, and Ron's people will likely not budge, will vote for him, and he will get the nomination.
BUT...I have no faith the Republicans won't arrest or otherwise stop the Paul delegates (the majority in most states) from voting on that 2nd ballot. They may arrest them, kick them out of the Convention with cops w/o arrest before the 2nd ballot vote, or just use vote fraud. Even though it's clear Ron has soooo many delegates, the media has decided to not report this largely (exception was Rachel Maddow for a while, but not she even reports lies like "Paul doesn't have a plurality of delegates in 5 states"...which he does), the Republicans have attempted and succeeded in vote fraud in several Caucuses (namely Nevada, Iowa, Maine, etc.), and the cops have even arrested Paul delegates to keep them from running for State delegations to the Convention. So, in the end, I doubt this is all a coincidence, and it seems likely all efforts will be aimed at stopping Paul from getting the nomination even according to rules they themselves rewrote last year intending to help Romney get an easier nomination.
That's why they won't drop out. Neither wants Romney to win.
And BTW, if Romney does win, or Santorum, or Gingrich, our internal polls show 85%+ of Ron Paul voters WILL NOT vote Republican. This means somewhere between 11% and 20% of the Republican registered voters will not vote against Obama...meaning Republicans lose.
By nominating anyone but Ron Paul the Republicans have nominated themselves a guaranteed loss to Obama...and they have no one but themselves to blame. They had 2008 and 2012 to nominate Paul and get those votes, and they instead keep nominating liberals like McCain and Romney who wish to expand or maintain the big government in place. None of them except Paul has offered a plan to CUT govt spending. Even Paul Ryan's plan takes 30 YEARS to balance the budget, and it spends more money every single year. It actually not only doesn't cut spending, it doesn't even freeze spending...it keeps spending increasing slightly less than Democrat plans for 30 years is all it does. In 10 years it will have increased national debt 4 trillion more dollars.
So the Republicans are commiting suicide right now, and the other candidates are trying to stop them from doing it. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like they want to beat Obama. It's not "anybody but Obama" in reality, it's actually "anybody but Ron Paul". The Republican Party is a big govt Party and refuse to change, like the Democrats.
On the bright side, the Supreme Court just ruled a seatbelt ticket is enough to allow cops to strip search you multiple times! (sarcasm)
When, oh when, will this country wake up and end all this fascism? Drone surveillance before crimes are even commited, warrantless wiretaps, torture, assassination of U.S. citizens w/o so much as judicial review, and the list goes on and on and on.
Wake up, Sheep! It's never too late!
Inflation, population, etc. Any spending plan, no matter how austere, needs to gradually increase over the years.
Dems file complaint over Romney handing out free subs
Forget the subs......I just want him to pay taxes like I do. Don't like a presidential hopeful hiding his assets in the Cayman Islands. (Been there ...beautiful....they drive on the wrong side of the road). Guess that is why Romney likes it .....he can switch according to location....just like his speeches on the campaign trail.
He pays just like you and me: to the letter of the law. Unless you're willing to tell me you gave more in taxes last year than you owed?
Romey buys people's votes with little tokens paid for by his campaign; the Dems buy votes with giant things bought with the taxpayer's own money, or, better yet, borrowed from the Chinese. How was Bush borrowing for the Chinese a threat to nat'l security but Obama borrowing over twice as much per year just fine?
Romney pays with funding from Goldman and sach and the Koch Brothers. Stop trying to cover there mess
Romney loves the Ryan budget, it cuts his 15% tax rate to 00.0% and throws grandma out of her care center.
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People have this totally backwards. I want to pay taxes like Mitt does, not the other way around.
Too bad the right wing nuts just don't like Romney and that's 80% of the GOP/TEA/Dumb FUX NEWS party...
better than left wing goats
better a goat than a lemming without the ability to use a GPS.... watch that first step off the cliff, it's a doozy.
better a lamb than a goat come judgement
... fortunately, for you, I'm a Judas goat ... follow me.
Jerry 3 you know the saying..."like a lamb to the slaughter." Goat is actually...."Greatest of all Time."
@miscreint: good point. Now, back to work ... there's a lot of lost little lambs out there.
Your life will come and go and never will there be a judgement. Your parents generation talked of the soon to come judgement. And so did their parents, and so on. Like vaporware whose debut date keeps getting pushed back indefinitely, your jugement day will never come.
However, please, do continue to hang it over peoples heads. People love being frightened into submission by the superstitions of goat herders. Really.
Yaaaay! A liberal who thinks he's more intelligent than those who disagree with him, while simultaneously using ad hominem (informal logical fallacy) and guilt by association (propaganda model) to make his points instead of logic and reason.
Color me suprised. Conservatives do the same thing.
I hate both of you, libs, conservs; you're both a bunch of sheep who believe in false paradigms like left/right, evil/good, us/them, and either/or.
Seeeeee...that's how you both name-call AND attack with arguments that have logical merit.
Now you try, sheep.
Actually, proindividual, I think the biggest "paradigm" difference is between those who believe in the "Common Good" versus those who are for maximizing personal wealth. Both have their plusses and minuses, so I feel somewhere just left of present-day "center" lies the answer (a.k.a. "center" around Reagan era). Try to shove things too far to one side, and things get ugly, fast, IMHO. When the President is incorporating former GOP-sponsered bills, and they refuse to compromise on anything, voting Republican is like only wanting to use one terminal of a battery.
@sullyness: "voting Republican is like only wanting to use one terminal of a battery" ... that's pretty good - I may use that again if you don't mind; however not to put too fine a point on it, that would be the negative terminal in the GOP's case.
Maryland you are a bunch of dummies.
Urruhhhhhh !!! Progressive Republicans to Progress this country!!! Finally!! Congrats Mitt !! One more example that the attacks on you are just FEAR of righteous-Open-mind-Progress !!
Is Romney Progressive, the other day he said he was a "Serious Conservative"
Whatever he's all the Above..
what- are you referring to when he said he was a "severe conservative?"
severe conservative....is that like a severe thunderstorm?
More like a severe migraine watching this play out.
Yeah, that's what we need...progressives in both Parties. That's where "police the world" came from; the progressives like Teddy Roosevelt (Repub) and Wilson (Dem).
That's worked out greaaaatttttt. Those progs are real geniuses! (facepalm)
I used to like democrats, back when I was a teenager with no job and time to @!$%# around. Then I seen how they are very communist in their ways and at the same time forcing everyone to accept homsexuals. I don't really care for gays, I just don't believe they should shove their beliefs down my throat like a huge cock. I feel more republican now. I wanted Ron Paul to win, but it looks that I'll be going for Romney now. Santorum I didn't like at first, but he was my second choice. Obama is useless, I acually admit I voted for him because he was black. That's it, the only reason. At least I can admit that unlike millions of other Americans. I own my mistake. He has done NOTHING to bring back jobs and prosecute his friends/CEOS.
realistic...Hey snowflake, I'll bet there are a lot of Americans in/out of the auto industry in states like Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio that will disagree with your jobs rant. Maybe you're not qualified for the jobs that are available. But hey, keep your head up, Wal-Mart is always hiring.
your a serious Weirdo
Are you blind or just ignorant?
Seems foolish to me to not see the U.S. has had 24 consecutive months of job growth. Not enough yet but it's getting better than under ANY GOP "leadership".
"...when I was a teenager with no job and time to @!$%# around...."
You might have tried schoolin.
Lol. Now this is funny and incredibly backwards. Exactly what beliefs are you talking about? Because last I checked its the gays who are not being afforded equality due to your religious beliefs (beliefs which have no place in our laws anyway). So please, tell me, how are they shoving anything down your throat?
Job Growth? Just as many are laying off as hiring. The only reason you see "job growth" is because the numbers are scewed to show in the governments favor. I was out of work for over a year and I consider myself lucky. I have friends in the construction industry that have been layed off for far longer. The only reason that the unemployment # keeps dropping is because the Unemployed no longer qualify for benefits and are therefore no longer counted on that list.
Wow....lot of ignorant people post on these things. I read on here to educate yourself before posting on here. I Agree.
If you were unemployed for over a year, maybe you should have tried another line of work while you were waiting!
The Republicans will choose their candidate and then the actual battle begins...Thank God...So, do we want Greece on steroids and riots in the streets or do we want the reality of "post war America" with 68 million more jobs....I choose the latter...
Good to see another Obama vote. Thanks.
I agree: Obama / Biden 2012 !!!
The "entitlement" team: Obama/Biden the duo good for nothing goofies! Yeah for more food stamps and give more stimulus money for companies that only go bankrupt!! NO MORE 4 more years, that is a disaster!!
A disaster for you and your ulcer, maybe, but it's the best thing that could happen to this country.
You may continue your b!tching now.
Obama/Biden......only way up.
may God have mercy on this country and those that write trash to others.
Estrella.... You might google spending by Bush and Obama and learn something before you throw out your FOX News sound bites... Bush far outspend Obama and Obama actually put spending for Iraq and Afghanistan on the books (unlike Bush)... Go ahead....read up on it then make a comment or two....after you know something about what you speak....
Fred,
Why not provide all the actual sources so we can know we're reading up on it like you seem to indicate you did. It's just so easy to make comments like you do as if you know something about what you speak.
Let your finger do the walking on your keyboard Jerry. You can find CBO and historical data all over the internet starting with the CBO website. I do know of what I speak. Just take 15 minutes Jerry. I seldom post because people are just set in their beliefs and it seems to do no good.

Hey you go Jerry...or anybody else that cares to look..... Just one site of many. Editing comment because the site blocked my link... google "cbo analysis obama vs bush spending" and go to the wikipedia site third up from bottom on first page.
Fred,
I also seldom post. I'll look at CBO, but try to quantify expenditures to events they were used for and how was it value added to the American dream, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for We the People. I don't see the path we're on doing that and I use Health Care as an example. I believe the majority of Americans were not in favor of it, but elected politicians, in this case Democrats with I think one or a few Republicans help, blatantly went against the population. Based on your last post, I think you're current on alot of issues this nation is struggling with, and alot of them are man-made. So I try to look at what I think is importatn to my last hour of life on earth, and as a concerned cirizen, to help weigh-in toward that end. Big government is not the solution. It makes me think of the westerns I read as a kid, but in this case, the government is the bully against its own citizens turning into subject if the path we're on suceeds.
Jerry....has been good talking with you...you seem like a reasonable guy...but I must get out of my office and head home. I don't want big government either and most of the people who I know who are believe as I do also do not want more spending, etc. Something had to be done on healthcare and it is just wrong to have millions uninsured and millions more who have their finances ruined when they encounter a serious healthcare problem. I know alot of good people in this situation and when and if they do get care in a time of need it is many times inadequate care. I think that the current healthcare bill is flawed and needs to be revised in quite a few ways but I like the fact that we finally have a president who is trying to do something about the problem. He did not get the bill he wanted but he did get something in place to make us finally deal with the problem. This was not a politically popular move on Obama's part but he did it anyway. We are in a huge mess in so many ways. Obama's spending was needed to turn the tide and get us moving back in the right direction. He has only three years in and I think we can see that things seem to be turning around after being on the brink of another great depression. As the economy improves the debt picture will as well and we can throttle back on the spending that was needed to keep us from going over the edge. If it was up to Romney we would have let the auto companies go broke. Give Obama a break...he has only been in office less than one term and I believe that he is putting us on the right track.
Fred have you been sleeping since obama was selected as pretender in chief? what has he done? absolutely nothing , except pass the ndaa bill that takes americans charged with a crime or not and keep us locked up forever, every tthing bush did he was suppose to get rid of he broadened and expanded it, illegal wiretapping, patriot act, try to force us into buying health insurance, where you been fred? passed law to assissinate american citizens, broadened the tsa, i could go on and on. It just shows you theres no difference between a neocon, rhino, democrat, moonbat or whatever, the two party system doesnt work, they been bought off by the lobbyist, corporations and elite, the government is so corrupt, you would have to totally dismantle it, the bankers and big buisness run this country, we need somebody that has balls to imprison these corrupt politicians, of course Ron Paul is that guy, but too many people like to believe the media spin, Romney hasnt won as many states as you think, theres alot of fraud going on in the rnc, same as the dnc. We the people do not matter anymore, only the lobbyist, big business and those that contribute to these lackeys i forgot to mention the banks, obama is surround by the same scum that got us in this mess, i said enough, you folks look but dont see, listen but dont hear.
AmVet,
NDAA 2912 says absolutely nothing about taking away US citizens rights. It authorizes way the hell to much spending by the military. It authorizes spending to detain members of Al Qaida, and supporters of Al Qaida. It authorizes spending to transport foreign detainees to pretty much any place other than the US when we're done with them. It says absolutely nothing about suspending any American citizens constitutionally guaranteed rights and privileges for any reason.
www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr1540enr/pdf/BILLS-112hr1540enr.pdf
People should try actually reading something, before they comment on it, if they wish to avoid announcing themselves as a fool to the entire vine.
This is Fred from another e-mail account and different sign-on name. So...American Veteran...what are your plans....not to vote? That helps to move our country forward.....
You do realize that both Obama and Romney are warmongers, right? And Obama has upped the ante in the drug war, kept and expanded every Bush anti-civil liberties law, and has commited just as many war crimes as Bush.
Sheep...they make me sick.
Fred, Romney would not have let the auto companies go broke! What chapter 11 means is that the company reorganizes its assets. In this case the companies would have had a court renegotiated agreement with the unions regarding salaries, benefits and pensions (it was the pensions that were bankrupting the auto companies). They also would have renegotiated with their suppliers and other creditors.
What Obama did was to set-up a bail-out that basically set the government and unions in the driver's seat and left the shareholders in the cold. Remember the shareholders include groups such as pensions and 401K plans and not just wealthy individuals.
Obama's reorganization came on his terms and not a bankruptcy courts. The auto companies would still be there, the difference is the UAW (big financial supporters of Obama) and government would not be as powerful in controling them as they are now.
I heard the funniest thing today. Romney said, it's not very "Presidential" for the President to criticize, yet he criticizes and wants to be President all the same. It made me go hmmmmm!!!!!
It's a ghetto favorite in politics, for politicians to be hypocrites. Speaking of which, anyone remember seeing The Destinguished Gentleman? Finding a non-hypocritical politician, who doesn't get involved in some funny business; is probably about as common as the proverbial take on "honest" used car sales men.... Though taken to a humerious extreme, with the senator dieing from having a sex scandle, which was "good for public relations", and "the sort of thing he does every night" (gee, when have we not heard about politicians getting into sex scandles), and Thomas Jefferson Johnson winning on mere name recognition (the deceased senator was Jeff Johnson) /rofl
Well, take the hearing before Congress, when the head of ways and means brought up his rap sheet as a peddy scammer. And he was like:
So the chairman is gaveling, demanding order, and in the midst of it, he plays a hidden video tape of the chairman in secret deals with the energy companies, and the guy yelling "if you I go down, you go down. Remember who it is that bought you off" type stuff /rofl About sums up the moral fiber of these politicians....
Romney............Who cares!!!!
looks like we have another moderate f&ctard to screw up dc along with what we have been getting for yrs and yrs now. yayyyy America. I suppose its better then obama but the hell with it, im sitting this one out for the first time in my life. I dont give a rats ass who wins at this point,they all suck!
Yeah TNRebel.... Keep thinking that. If "W" hadn't been put in office we never would have invaded Iraq and squandered the surplus and a budget that was finally on the right track when he took office. It very much matters who we put in the whitehouse!
Fred,
I guess you can predict the future. War is aweful, and should be a last resort only if diplomacy truly is tried and fails, but even if DS I and II hadn't happened, the path we're on now, would most likely have eaten up that surplus with all the entitlements the liberals want for a voting base to keep them in power and grow government so We the People are no longer citizens, but subjects. Indeed it matters very much who we put in the whitehouse, and I don't want Romney, but it more importantly matters who we put out of office and let's see what the Republicans do for We the People. Four years of them is worth a try than four more of the current President.
Jerry...last comment as don't have the time... We "most likely" would have used the surplus...wow...that's really based on factual information! "All the entitlements the liberals want" ...like a solid Medicare and Social Security safety net?? Bush put in place a huge entitlement with Medicare Part D!!! If you are worried about We the People becoming subjects keep putting Republicans in office and see where that gets you. Obama warns us of the dangers of becoming a nation of two classes and the Republicans are the ones who make that happen. If people are concerned about Marxism put those in office who want to deregulate and give tax breaks to the wealthy "job creators"...what a bunch of garbage! You can't see the forest for the trees....
Fred-3541573
I don't think the surplus was squandered, it was used to pay down a bit on the national debt. Funny, Clinton had that budget surplus his last three years in office yet he still added over a trillion dollars to the national debt.
Jerry 3
That is a good point and you have to remember that the source for that surplus dried up in 2000.
Jerry, if Democrats are taking away citizens rights, then why is it Republicans are having to be sued in court to be able to vote in state governments where Republicans have the majority? Why are Republican officials in places like Virginia trying to tell doctors how to best treat their patients? Why are Republicans promoting the old insurance ways of denying someone coverage because of a pre-existing condition. Did you know that pregnancy can be considered a pre-existing condition? People like my brother (half-brother) could be denied insurance just because his father has a brain disease that could possibly be genetic. Obama sought to change this. Obama seeks to improve our health care system. We have the most expensive health care system, but some of the poorest coverage of modern countries.
It's a sad world when people say "F" the sick and poor, let them die. This is what it sounds like to me in Republican debates and speaking points. Most poor people work, most poor people don't abuse drugs. Every citizen should have health care insurance like that of the elected officials in Washington D.C.
On another note, it is also absurd that these elected officials can receive a life-time pension for their service, this is a waste of tax-payer money as well as allowing them to give themselves raises. I'd like to be able to vote for my own raise too.
thats funny Im from Virginia and I havent heard one dr say they are trying to tell them how to treat patients nor has the local news reported any such thing and trust me Id be all over it if I heard it what facts and sources do you have to support your claim? Im not advocating for one party or the other here just curious I see accusations thrown all over the internet from both sides and as a rule the truth is usually some where in the middle. to be honest I think repubs and dems are two sides of the same coin Im kinda thinking I want a different coin my situation doesnt improve under either of them. truly I just wish they would leave me and my family and money alone thats the best thing that could happen to improve my situation but alas Im not foolish enough to believe thats gonna happen
Mitt makes me shake in my boots
Not
He makes me yawn more like it
Obama 2012
Willard reminds me of a robot. I could just imagine him on stage every time I see him waving robot arms, and falling over, going "Danger, Danger Will Robinson!"
Another sheep supporting a war criminal.
Orwell 2012.
Obama, Romney; same warmonger, different haircut.
Wow the Liberal Children are eating their Hearts out with Jealousy. Thats what happends when your parents fail to get you a proper education and you are subject to a Public Education by Union teachers
Hmm. Not a single fact. Right, sammy the conservative.
Romney still loses to Obama in all credible polls.
Well, sammy, since you were home-schooled by idiots, of course you would think education is a waste of time.
And it shows, in every comment you make.
And using bold type just makes you look desperate, like nobody will listen to you. And they don't.
Mitt is going to trounce Hussein obama in Nov.Even Hussein's staunchest supporters will back off.Just wait and see what comes out about obama.
Truth is, it isn't just liberals who don't care for Romney, it's conservatives as well. Hell, if you listen to what Sarah Pallin had to say today, she isn't all that thrilled with Romney either....
Because she is an idiot !!!!!!!!
U guys are sooo stupid! other than get together behind the REPUBLICAN that is winning, NO! just separate and get WEAK! so Obama get more points to attack the ONLY republican that has a chance of WINNING! Ron pAUL IS JUST as progressive as Mitt is! we all agree that we are conservatives, and we all agree that we need to change this country, now why in HELL not to get together? you are just doing OBAMA's job and getting weak as one alone stick! for heavens OPEN your freaking SMALL brains!
Hey! I finally agree with a Republican!! They do have freaking SMALL brains!!!
Jealousy? Jealous of whom? I got a great education by the way. It's so funny how gullible the right wing is. They believe all the garbage their masters at "Fake News" throw at them all the while they are laughing behind their gullible little backs while taking their money. Remember the phone call Scott Walker had with the "Koch" Brother? You right wingers, I feel sorry for you. You vote for the wealthy really believing that they give a crap about you and consistently vote against your own self-interests. Poor little right wingers, so dumb.
Young Graddy LV
So you are saying Bill Gates, George Soros, Warren Buffet and Peter Lewis are poor? You jokers make fun of conservatives for listening to Fox yet you all quote msnbc verbatim.
Rick, you know the "Buffet rule?" Well, it should be called the Reagan rule, because he is the one who originally proposed higher taxes on the rich, by saying the same things that Obama later went on to say. Bill Gates...you know how he got his start? He started in his parents garage. You know how Mitt Romney got his start? From Daddy's fame and fortune...which his daddy actually earned, but Mitt did not.
It isn't necessarily stupid, to not rally behind a weak candidate that one doesn't care for; simply because a political party has chosen to give no real choice; while pushing a campaign of "anyone but the POTUS", as if that's a real great platform to begin with. Perhaps, just perhaps not everyone buys this "anyone but Obama rhetoric"; and perhaps, just perhaps people would like something more from a presidential candidate then a campaign that is based on nothing other then that; when the front runner (who the party leadership wanted to be the front runner all along) is a wet blanket that no one really seems to like.
Let me be clear here; the reason that one candidate after another got a chance at the lead, is because the voters have been desperately looking for anyone but Romney to vote for. Reason is simple, on a very basic level, they both dislike him, and he simply can't connect with an audience. Listening to him, is very akin to listening to someone who seems socially challenged to say the least, to the extreme that he doesn't even seem like a real person. What's worse, yes I think this country could survive 4 more years of Obama, or 4 years of Romney; but the precedent this sort of election sets, if it becomes a raving success for the party engaging in this sort of politicing. It sends a message, that it works, it was successful, and the reward is great enough to present us with this sort of campaigning and politicing in the years to come; even beyond the next 4 year term.
Sometimes, just sometimes; the man isn't the most important thing to consider; and what of import which can come out of it goes beyond the man, or the personality of the man alone. This something beyond the man, would start with whichever party feals they "won" comming out with the words "we have a mandate" to do whatever the hell they will please; of which the voters didn't necessarily even vote for, when they voted the way they did; especially if the vote was for "the lesser of evils". But now, it's almost as if some candidates would actually aspire to be the lesser of evils, and perhaps even be proud of being as such. What a wonderful world we're now living in; when that is all one can expect from their so-called representatives. It then would continue with party officials then going on to say "well our strategy was such a success the last time; lets do it again". Is this really the scenario people want to see played out, 4 years from now, 8 years from now, 16 years from now? Especially as the other party then starts adopting the same methodology and then they're both at it? I, for one like that prospect less, then the prospect of any one of these candidates. Largely because if such is deemed such a raging success in elections; it could become the new main stay, and the new norm in American politics, for some time to come.... In the end, people like Rove, along with the other political strategists, are about what they think they can get away with... If the PR doesn't work in their favor, only then will they sometimes reconsider. Because a conscience doesn't seem to hold such individuals in check.... Perhaps, just perhaps, sending a message to the party leaders themselves that it's time to actually put up good candidates, listen to the constituents (and by this I do mean the voters), and actually earn that victory, by actually trying in a constructive/positive manner; would be more important to some such as myself; then simply kicking the POTUS out because some quote the mantra "anyone but obama", but beyond the next 4 years, an the sort of precedent this could show forth for future elections?
In that case, perhaps they should try to earn the vote, rather then simply expect all will rally behind the guy it's obviously they chose all along. To the point Romney got some of his victories, simply by out spending them 10:1 or more... Yeah, it took a lot of "convincing" in this sorta PR war, to buy people's support there....
What? You mean there's more besides the "fact" that he's a Kenyan Muslim with a fake birth certificate? Oooh, where's the popcorn?
sammy said:
Wow the Liberal Children are eating their Hearts out with Jealousy. Thats what happends when your parents fail to get you a proper education and you are subject to a Public Education by Union teachers
Sammy, here's one for you. How do you keep an idiot in suspense?
I'll tell you tomorrow....
Romney is about as good for america as is a hole in the head is good for your brain. After listening to his speech last night I would really like to know how he would have run the country differently if Obama has been so bad for the United States. Another thing, exactly how would he reduce the deficit cutting taxes as he says to create jobs...which taxes rarely ever creates jobs...maybe if bush hadn't deregulated every industry for his rich pals and allowed the profit taking from sub-prime and running a war we had no businesses being involved with for one thing, and shifting focus from the poor state of economy and lack of job creation under his reign, we would not have ended up in 2009 when obama had taken office with another 8 million lost jobs, financial melt downs as well as the bankruptcy of gm and chrysler. Without obama's cash for clunkers, hiring tax credits, and housing credits, the economy would have been so far into a depression there would have been far reaching ramifications to the time. One final thought, i do believe the stimulus given to banks for losses had been money wasted as it was given out as bonuses to executives and did not create jobs as the banks continued to layoff as well as many other business sectors. Romney will only do one thing for the country, more of the same from the republicans: tax cuts for the rich, credits to big oil and any other sector where the republicans have friends, tax credits in order for companies to ship jobs overseas, and selling off the assets of said companies as did Romney to build his income as he did in Massachussetts.
Still WRITING IN 'RON PAUL' on my Voting Ballot (along with thousands of other Americans)!!! If the Republican Party just gives the nomination to Romney, HE WILL LOSE to Obama. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A CROOK, nor will my fellow Ron Paul supporters who are now in large numbers! GO RON PAUL 2012!
"Thousands" ain't gonna cut it son. Ron Paul is going to need Millions of votes to make a difference in the General and that's not going to happen. Good Luck casting that vote though!
Vote for whom you want. Thousands of people writing someone in will make a huge difference, if the race is for state representative. Won't have much effect on the Presidency, though. On the other hand, getting Ralph Nader or Dennis Kucinich or someone like them on the ballot would more than make up for the effects of lots of Ron Paul write-ins.
If you don't agree with any of Dr. Paul's ideas, you are devoid of any political imagination and hopelessly stuck in the status quo. If you agree with all of Dr. Paul's ideas, you're a Looney Tune.
A vote for Paul is a clear cut vote for Obama. Waste of a vote for emotional "principle". Foolish.
LivingtheDream, I can respect Ron Paul, he is true to his beliefs. He has many good points. I may not agree with everything he says, by I truly can respect him. I wish that he would have spoken about is 90's newsletters better. I can understand if he wrote the racist articles back then, that his mind can change. My grandfather wasn't to fond of other races, but when my uncle brought home an African American woman (whom he later married) my grandpa changed his mind about other races. My grandfather by the way was born sometime between 1910 and 1920, can't remember exactly. My point is that people's opinions can change, and I respect Ron Paul. Romney, in my opinion changes his view points to try to get the vote, and that is something I cannot respect.
Rlquall " If you agree with all of Dr. Paul's ideas, you're a Looney Tune"
I would like to know just how supporting Paul make one a looney tune. because my vote has looney tunes written all over it.
I also won't vote for Romney. He must lose so we can run Rand Paul or Judge Napolitano in 4 years. If Romney wins we have to wait 8-12 years to run a pro-liberty anti-war candidate again.
Not foolish to us given what I said above.
You're the fool, you're voting for Obama light (Romney) and calling it change...just like they voted for Bush light (Obama) and called that change 4 years ago.
That's the main problem with Ron Paul. About half of his ideas are great. The other half are what keeps him from getting the nomination.
As for voting for Ron Paul, sorta reminds me of the band playing on the deck of the Titanic...
Should make the rich and big business glad. He will protect them while he throws the average American under the bus, can't wait to hear his lies I mean promises in Nov.
You mean, as compared to the last four years of unadulterated "truth" we've been getting? ROTFLMAO!
It's bad under Obama, it will be worse under Romney.
Remember, when Republicans talks about a "...Opportunity Society, led by free people and free enterprises."
He's talking about corporations. Remember, Corporations are people too!
Don't we have anyone else to chose from??? Good god, they all are worthless......
Draft The Hermanator!
Ron Paul is the only non-sociopath running...and clearly Cain was a sociopath.
Would someone tell Sanitarynapkin it's time to pack up his bowling ball and go home????
It doesn´t matter who wins the GOP nomination; in the final analysis, it will be won by a perfect nobody in the sense of not being able to govern this country, including, of course, Mitt Romney who has spent his life in the real economy and not in DCA. He probably wants to change Washington making it more corrupt and a “real life” city as his dubious accomplishments, to be president, attest to. He is already crippled and weakened physically and morally by his riches. He bears no similarity whatsoever to the average American and is therefore not likeable by a vast majority of the country.
This group of weirdo misfits called GOP presidential candidates, in reality, could not even shine Obama's shoes. They only involve themselves in petty personal politics.
However, so much for the GOP: They have a right to be in total chaos and fractured!
Romney with real world applications – less than 15% effective rate taxpayer, instead of 30%; off shores’ money manager man, Swiss banks and Cayman bank accounts, instead of putting the money in US banks; domestic job destroyer that buys companies for profit and then dissolves them, firing everyone in sight, instead of using his business background to turn around these companies´ economy and boost job creation; immigrant hater; not concerned about the poor, 47 million Americans; his economic plan is just a list of good intentions with no ideological base; posthumous Jewish baptizer; and, too filthy rich to be president -- and Gingrich – a serial libertarian cheat, sex maniac at best, while pursuing dreams of living in a moon colony with his ladies; fined for tax evasion and writing fraudulent checks -- are fellows running for the presidency that really, in the final analysis, don´t respect anybody in the good old USA. People don´t matter to them, only money matters! They take orders from their churches (especially the Mormon slime machine), their financial backers, their women, and their money, and that´s all folks. They aren’t worth it!
Meanwhile, Santorum is an ex lobbyist that has made millions while in DCA, and many feel that the mafia would resuscitate if he made it to the White House. This guy is a suck-up who panders and postures to whomever he thinks will give him the vote. Another warmonger who just wants to defeat Obama -- never mind he has absolutely no plan or vision. Just more of the same -- more debt, cut domestic programs, especially college education for he doesn’t believe in it, but NEVER the military. He knows where his bread is buttered. Cut military spending and you cut your own throat.
Ron Paul is too conservative, constitutionalist, and libertarian for anybody´s liking.
Clearly, the GOP has managed to set loose in the election scene of the country four stooges, and weirdo misfits, Banana republic style, that are not convenient for the presidency of the USA.
I would rather stick it out with Obama for the next four years. His economic management has been a great success.
Santorum is a pauper compared to BHO, and both of them are totally flat broke compared to the people's own humble servant, Wm Jefferson Blythe Clinton.
You know, he didn't want to run this go around; and I know some would shudder to hear the name Bush again; after many of George W's "Bushisms" (of which his brother doesn't have the same sort of, lets just say speech impediment); but if Jeb Bush was running, I'd consider that a real alternative choice this election cycle, and a real contender to look at seriously.
Asside from all the PR, on the surface I really don't see that much difference between electing Obama, and electing the flip flop Romney, who for instance has allegedly changed his position on abortion more times then most people change a pair of socks.... Which really leads one to believe there is no real evolution of thought there; he's simply saying what he thinks people will want to hear/what would win him votes. Other then this, speeches on "corporations are people too", and someone who seems so aloof and removed from the human condition that foreign dignitaries would be left wondering if they were speaking with a real life person; during diplomatic appearances, meh
In the end, what might be more important then all this rhetoric about "anyone but....", or even which one of these non-choices occupy the White House; might be the precedent this election could establish. And in this sense, there's a part of my that hopes this whole jig blows up in the party establishment's faces. Not so much because I approve of everything Obama has done; but rather I really don't care for how the game is being played right now. It isn't about representing anyone, voting for a good alternative, or anything constructive really. It's simply about unelecting someone, and going to any lengths possible (even a weak field, with another weak contender that the party has chosen for the people they're all supposed to be represenatives in service of) to make this happen.
Now super pacs are probably here to stay for the forseeable future. But if such a "campaign strategy" is successful, I'm more concerned about the precident this could help foster for future elections; then who the man, occupying the office over the next 4 years happens to be. It's only when the parties suffer losses, and they're faced with the realization that the current course didn't work to their advantage, that they're left to self evaluate, and hopefully; just hopefully chose a course which isn't so bad, down the road. I wouln't want to offer the sort of *positive reinforcement* to their modus operandi here. I only wish there was a way to give both parties a big wake up call; which would let them know that neither of them is necessarily in step with what the people are wanting; and what's more, citizens are growing sick and tired of this nnonsense, day after day, and year after year.
Perfect example was the budget talks, when the US lost the AAA credit rating, and then of course the blame games continue. But these supposed "leaders" who couldn't even act like grown ups, couldn't stop playing the blame game long enough, to do something "radical" like actually governing, and trying to make wise decisions, vs play party politics to the detriment of all. Most notibly, the very people "we the people" they're supposed to be serving and representing. Quite possibly, a time of soul searching, among the parties leadership is needed; and the sort of soul searchinng that wouldn't be encouraged if they're left feeling they have some sort of "mandate", because they "won" so handsomely.... If they're going to act like children, then perhaps positive reinforcement, to what could be termed bad behaviour, wouldn't be in all of our interests (outside these politicians themselves who have engaged thusly).
Very good stuff....German.
Some bumps in the road but I am with you.
German: Well said.
well said really wow german needs to go back to that country and out of here
Well said, German and Nua
Clearly the Democrats have given us a President who is more dangerous to America and Americans than Al Quida. The Dems are like the government in the new hit movie, "The Hunger games" they give a little something a carrot if you will, and in return will spill the blood of our young for sport.
They can't shine the shoes of a war criminal, German? Wow, you and those who like what you said are really Sheep.
Any President that goes to the enemy of AMERICA is the worst of any TRAITOR there can by. And anyone that backs that President is just as bad and should be treated as a TRAITOR and punished as a TRAITOR. The AMERICAN PEOPLE need to wake up and see what is happening and say enough is enough. People wanted to have Clintons hide for getting blown, yet stand by while OUR PRESIDENT blows every dictator in the world by apoligizing for America being strong. This so called President and his crownies are doing everything in there power to destroy the CONSTITUION and the AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE. TRY OBAMA FOR TREASON AND BE DONE WITH IT