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Subscribe to RSSIn a speech to his supporters, Republican presidential contender Rick Santorum said, "we're on our way to victory in this election" after winning primaries in Mississippi and Alabama.
Updated at 10:50 p.m. ET: Exit poll interviews with Republican voters in Tuesday’s Alabama and Mississippi primaries found that Mitt Romney’s positions on the issues weren’t conservative enough for most voters in both states.
NBC News declared Rick Santorum as the projected winner of both the Alabama and Mississippi primaries. Romney was running third in both states, behind Newt Gingrich.
Yet a plurality of Tuesday’s voters also picked Romney as the candidate most likely to defeat President Obama in November.
By large majorities in both states, voters said the economy – not abortion, illegal immigration, or the federal deficit -- was the issue that mattered most in deciding how they voted – and Romney did better among such voters than his rivals Santorum and Gingrich, but not enough to score a victory in Alabama or Mississippi. (Rep. Ron Paul was a minimal factor in both states.)
Santorum continued to enjoy strong support from social conservative voters -- but he also continued to lose many of those voters to Gingrich.
Take for example, anti-abortion voters, who accounted for about seven out of every ten voters in each state. The antiabortion voters in Alabama preferred Santorum: he won 42 percent of them, to Romney’s 21 percent and Gingrich’s 30 percent. In Mississippi 36 percent of the antiabortion voters chose Santorum, while 31 percent chose Romney and 28 percent went for Gingrich.
Exit poll data from South Carolina, Georgia and Tennessee showed that Romney, a Mormon, was only to draw between a fifth and a quarter of the evangelical Christian voters in those contests. But among white evangelical Christians in Mississippi Romney did better, winning 31 percent, while Santourm won 35 percent. In Alabama, evangelical Christians preferred Santorum: he won 35 percent of them, with Romney picking up 27 percent and Gingrich 32 percent.
How much did it matter to voters on Tuesday that a candidate shared or didn’t share their religious beliefs? In both states, about three out of four voters said shared religious beliefs mattered a great deal or somewhat. The exit poll found contrasts in views: in Alabama, 40 percent of such voters chose Santorum, while in Mississippi a plurality of those voters – 34 percent – chose him and 32 percent supported Romney.
Even in these two socially conservative states, there were some Republican voters who were willing to identify themselves to exit poll interviewers as “moderates,” or say they thought abortion should be legal. Among self-identified moderates – who were nearly one out of four voters in Alabama -- Romney was the winner with 41 percent. In Mississippi, where moderates were about two out of ten voters, Romney won the moderate vote with 46 percent.
In each state, roughly one in four voters said abortion should be legal: Romney won 36 percent of them in Alabama and 39 percent of them in Mississippi.
Putting social issues aside, Romney showed strength among voters in both states who picked the economy as the most important issue, Romney was the leader with 35 percent.
Romney was by far the strongest candidate among voters who might be called pragmatists: those who said defeating Obama is the candidate quality that mattered more than moral character, prior experience in business or government, or ideological conservatism.
Although Romney has had trouble appealing to lower-income voters in other primary states, in Mississippi he won nearly the same percentage of voters with annual family incomes of under $50,000 – 30 percent -- and of those with annual incomes over $50,000, 33 percent.
In Alabama there was a bit more of a gap: Romney won 26 percent of voters with incomes under $50,000 and 31 percent of voters with incomes over $50,000.
The twice-divorced Gingrich suffered from a significant gender gap: he won 27 percent of women voters in Mississippi, but won 32 percent of male voters; while in Alabama he ran 11 points worse among women (24 percent) than among men (35 percent).
In contrast, Romney ran better among women in Mississippi (getting 34 percent of their votes) than among men (getting 31 percent of male voters). Romney ran about even among male and female voters in Alabama but Santorum ran better among Alabama women (37 percent) than among men (30 percent).
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Newt: You cannot win and as Gary Richrath so eloquently spoke, "It's time for you to fly". Or, since you're a southerner, in the words of the late Ronnie Van Zandt, time for Santorum to be "a free bird". Get out so now for while your supporters may think you are legitimate, you are now relegated to the role of spoiler. Right now, the conservative cause is no longer benefitting from your participation. Please step aside and let someone who has a more legitimate chance to stop the insanity take over. Use your intelligence and experience to rid this country of the plague that has beset it by assisting one of your peers. This election must produce a change in the guard and you are someone smart enough to show the American people how badly they've been hoodwinked. Gordo
I think that was Gingrich's last stand. It's over for him. He lost TN,MS, AL, FL, VA, OK. Those are some fairly hateful racist states. Gingrich should have won them, but Santorum proved much more hateful than Gingrich -- even with his FL billionaire and rampant southern fried demagoguery.
Newt losing in both Alabama and Mississippi is not going to stop him apparently. It is up to those who support him to look up and realize, that although Newt is a good candidate, Santorum is now the best chance for a conservative to be nominated and get behind Rick.
It hardly matters at this point (though Romn is most likely to win in my opinion). This primary is basically a battle to see who is going to show Mr. Big $pender Obama out the door before he can waste ONE MORE DIME of the working taxpayers dollars.
Uh justoneguy,
YOu need to go back to your parents and have them slap you! The president doesn't spend tax dollars, Congress does. The only potential power the president has that you might like is the veto and line-item veto. The power to stop congress from spending.
Get a grip or slip down into the well.
Too many mental teeth sticking out of them there gums Romney ............ you bees in the south ....
Republicans amaze me. They must like Obama better than Romney. But when have American generally showed that they understood logic. Must think they can have thier cake and eat it too. No such luck. Independents must be swayed and they are not tea party conservatives. Santorum cannot get the independents. They will go to Obama first. After all, although some people think he is a liberal, he really is not, and he can get the indendents if it is beleived Santorum is another Goldwater or McCain. Repubican Stupidity, just like the tea party people thinking we can go back to the 50's.
rrobeson
No worriesw rrobeson....the rest of the tax spending slime will be out the door after Obama 'leaves' in 2012.
September 2007: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the
debt limit to - $9.815 trillion
July 2008:
[Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $10.615 trillion
October 2008:
[Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $11.315 trillion
December 2009: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the
debt limit to - $12.394 trillion
February 2010: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the
debt limit to - $14.294 trillion
What are we now?
ALMOST 16 TRILLION!?!?!
Way to spend our tax money Mr. Big $PENDER OBAMA
- Epic Fail
Rmoney doesn't sell down here! Any Yankee paying 15% income tax rate & has the nerve to move his money off-shore to hide from the revenuers, deserves a kick in the head - not my vote!
Romney didnt write the tax code. He paid that was the required amount. 15% is what the IRS requires on capital gains. He declared his off shore accounts, as required and paid the full tax on them.
Smarten Up!
Why the off-shore accounts, you Republican Propagandist?
Racism exists in every state and apparantly ignorance does also JohnSixty.
The stupidity of these evangelical right wing conservatives really comes through in these exit polls. Most of them realize that Romney is the most electable with the best chance to keep Obama from winning another term yet they still vote for Santorum or Gingrich. They know that neither Santorum nor Gingrich can beat Obama, so by voting for them instead of Romney they are in effect placing making a statement about their personal beliefs above beating Obama. Don't they realize that by voting for one of these two extreme conservatives they are essentially helping Obama win another term?!?! Are they too dense to understand that it is time to for the party to coalesce behind the candidate that has the best chance of unseating Obama and saving this country from the disaster a second Obama term would represent?!?! Trying to nominate someone that you know has no chance of winning in the general election is just idiotic!!!
(answer to my earlier post on the deficit?) .....cricket...cricket..... lol
Could it be that the GOP is fielding what appears to be their D listers this time round because either : 1. Because they are actually waiting for the 2016 Presidential race because they do not want to deal with this economy now, as they have no new ideas how to move the country forward or deal with the various conflicts and wars, and did not want to go down in the history books as making the economy worse especially with the present T'gop and their repressive, regressive stance breathing down the necks of the more responsible and reasonable republican leaders who want to work together with the dems to move the country forward but cannot, and where they cannot even make their deals etc to bring home money to their respective states like they used to do before 'bagging' of their party. LOL
2. They did not expect the improvement in the economy or the drop in unemployment or the drawdown in Afghanistan or the withdrawal of all troops in Iraq or the termination of OBL and the many of the AlQuida folks or any of the many positive things that have taken place so far or they would have fielded a more nationwide electable candidate instead of the T'gops primary candidates - running on the same old failed 1 trick pony ideas, warring with women, spewing forth divisiveness with their anti- immigration, anti- minority, anti- any other religion, anti- abortion and contraceptives, anti-public safety nets, anti Social Security, anti- Medicare and Medicaid, anti- not for profit public healthcare plan, anti-education, anti-government, anti-rules, regs and oversight, anti-peace, pro-war, pro drill in protected wilderness and lands, pro- pollution, etc that the T'gops want to push, and are now campaigning on trying to out ignorance each other.
3. Paid their dues to Romney who has been running for pres for ever or for years now and have always lost, so at least they gave him his last chance. Huntsman certainly dropped out quickly and so did Perry. LOL
4. On the other hand if one of these T'repcondino candidates should win they will take the win, but if the candidate should lose, then they will look at it like no biggie because they probably have a more electable candidates in the pipeline to field in 2016? Who knows could there may be a Huntsman/Perry ticket in 2016?...hmmm
5. If they lose then they can blame the T'gops ie the RRT'repcondinos... i.e. the T'religious T'right sepratists etc who comprise the teaparty, and take their party back and and try to move to a more central moderate position where most may be more comfortable anyway, instead of these extreme posititons which does the country no good and which will destroy the GOP brand in the long run. Wouldn't be surprised if the GOP leadership will be doing a purge of the T'ringnuts, or maybe it is happening already as not many or any of them are backing Limbaugh like they would have in the past. The higher echelons of the Republican party seem not to be afraid of Limbaugh anymore and did speak out against his slut/prostitute rant re that young G'town law student.... Seems like even the upper echelons of Faux seem to be moving away from the crazy (Beck is gone) and trying to move more central/mainstream or at least not as obnoxious as they usually are, although there is still some still on the payroll and are still stuck in stupid. Perhaps the present crew of talking bubbleheads are just working out their contracts at this time. Wonder how many of them are going to be there in the next few years with their ignorance? LOL Can one teach old fauxs new tricks... LOL
One other thing the media seem to be giving these religiousity folks, ministers, priests etc of the churches too much voice in our politics and their attempt to influence our laws/govt, especially as we do have separation of church and state. If these people should start telling their parishoners how to vote, then their tax exempt status should be taken away, because they are now dabbling in politics, campaigning for and endorsing candidates which churches are not supposed to do. They can say their piece but must follow the law. Even the Good Book pointed this out....Give unto Caesar that which is for Caesar and unto God that which is for God......
Peace......
I spent a few hours studying Romney and I must say I am impressed. He is a moderate and just the man to lead the country back to a middle course, reverse the racism and end the divisiveness. He is extremely intelligent, honest, a businessman, an economist, a lawyer and a leader.
In few words just the man we need in the White House.
He is beholding to no one, does not have a political or religious ax to grind or the unbelievable stupidity that is running around in the halls of the white house.
The math for Santorum is still bad. He still needs 62% of all the available delegates. He did not get that tonight. Of the states left it does not look good. RI Romney territory lots of moderate GOP. CT Romney territory lots of moderate GOP. NY more of the same many Bloomburg/Giuliani GOP moderates. Utah Mormons enough said. ID 25% Mormon population. OR liberal state like Washington where Romney won. CA even more liberal Arnold type GOP. WI liberal state in revolt against the GOP. PA not a sure thing for Rick. He lost the last election he ran there by 18%. Not one PA. GOP office holder has endorsed him. Until Gingrichs uber rich support leaves him he will not get out. The longer he stays the better deal he can cut for himself. Would he want VP or Sec of State? Romney can also offer him either to stay in the race.
Exit poll interviews with Republican voters in Tuesday’s Alabama and Mississippi primaries found that Mitt Romney’s positions on the issues weren’t conservative enough for most voters in both states.
The silent crowd that lives in trailer parks and is ignored 90% of the time by the Republicans, are the ones that will vote Republican because they hear something that will ALWAYS win election: The voice of God in the voice of Santorum.
Santorum is showing himself as the Messiah, ready to "clean"the US of the enemy: The "liberals"that are living in sin, asking for gay rights, rights for women and to please keep Medicaid and Social Security.
If you think that the GOP is so stupid to win this election, just rewind the tape and think back: George W Bush. Nobody thought that could be possible. We had the smarter guy against him. George W. took the country backwards already too many years.
If anothrer nut like Santorum wins the election, we are not going tobe able to sustain that. PLEASE GO OUT AND VOTE DEMOCRat ON ELECTION DAY.
justoneguy
It's interesting how you to bring up that during the last debt-ceiling vote, 240 House Republicans and 28 Senate Republicans so make sure you keep them to the same standard.
also, during Bush Administration, your current GOP hypocrites voted 19 times for increasing debt ceiling.
19 times! Any comments, justoneguy, why the GOP losers were not as "fiscally resposible" then as they are trying to paint themselves today?
By the way, it was the Republican president who started 2 unfunded wars - which cost so far about $3.7 trillion in 2011. Yes, I know you will tell me that the Dems voted for it to blah blah blah. But given the "FACTS" presented by the President of the United States (WMD), I don't see how they wouldn't.
justoneguy,
forgot to add, your hero Santorum also voted for raising debt ceiling and for earmarks. what do you say about that?
The stupidity of these evangelical right wing conservatives really comes through in these exit polls.
What I learned about these evangelical right wing conservatives is that they are NOT concerned about results, they are concerned about words. You have to SAY the right things. For example -- you have to SAY you are all pro family. Yet so called born again Christians who are so "pro family" have the highest divorce rate of any religious group in the nation. They also have the highest out of wedlock birth rate. Rick Santorum TOLD them what they wanted to hear. What he DID in Congress -- his actually voting record of spend and spend more doesn't matter.
Charlie,
great points because how would anyone ever support someone like Gingrich: currently on third marriage, cheated on 2 wives (that we know of), stopped paying child support, resigned as a Speaker of the House (which was the best ultimatum for him), spent money on his campaign that was supposed to go to charilties, got paid as a lobbyist (errr...historian), ...the list goes on. But he asked for forgiveness so it's ok.
What I have an issue with is that the Republicans swear up and down that they are fiscally responsible. yet, everything they do is the opposite of that.
Romney did a lot better than I expected. Losing Mississippi and Alabama was a given. The good thing that came from this was that Romney will get the message that he needs to be a true Conservative. In the end he will get the GOP nomination and all the different arms of the Republican party, the Tea Party, Conservatives, and "Independents" will come together to support him. As energy costs continue to rise, and we dip back down into a recession because if it, The big eared jug headed incompetent boob in the WH will be blamed, as he should be, for his failed policies. His ivory tower ideas of "green" energy and governmental control of health care, at the expense of the country's economy, will insure he's relegated to the ash heap of history to join Jimmy Carter as a national joke.
Charlie,
Kinda like "Hope & Change", eh Charlie? Do you, or anybody for that matter, know what that means? LOL!
Stop the bigoted hate Charlie. You bigots are all the same Always hating. :)
Sven
Do you know the meaning of a bigot? You don't think we're all stupid enough to believe your argument do you? If you don't see that Santorum and/or Gingrich are bigots, you are so blind. But I believe you do know what a bigot is and I believe you do know who the bigots are. So what do you call a person who knows something is untrue and says it anyway?
Spoiler Gingrich needs to get out of the way.
OBama lovers need to stop blaming bush, jobs are lost and your guy aint getting them back. Its his job. ! Newt, stay in the race. The dem's want to paint Santorums victory as a "sweep" because Anyone can paint Santorum as a right wing nut job so the dem's are chomping at the bit.---salivating .... , he won by 3 percent. Big deal!. The left media wants a story that doesnt exist.
Fact is, romney can beat obama as he is safe and the dem's have nothing on him to call him a radical. Good person, good family! Conservative. The left is nothing but class warfare. The only thing that is saving obama will be the hard core lefties, a santorum win and the minority vote
At what point in this country did our ideals become so perverted that conservatism became religious whack-jobism? If Rick Santorum's popularity is any indication, we are headed towards theocracy and fascism. That is not conservative. Conservative is not spending every dime you get your hands on.
Ron Paul
2012
guys dont look now but the ecnonomy is improving - job reports and the stock market are both doing a lot better my company cant keep up with our bids (major construction) so whatever you can always go back to the contraception issue - how embarrasing - and" mr obama failed experiment " code for do not like a black man in white house ... im goint to rename myself - gw bush biggest dumb mistake that brought our country to its knees , a big waste of lives and treasure , thank jesus for the black man that saved us
Reminds me of a lyric from a Greg Brown song;
Jesus loves Rick Santorum even though he is a Catholic.
The saddest part of this whole election year is that so many uber conservatives are voting for Romney or Santorum just because they want "anyone but Obama." They haven't even bothered to actually research the candidates, and if they had, they'd find out that both Santorum's and Romney's proposed budgets would end up adding significantly to our deficit and WOULD NOT help the economy. And, if they actually believe they could bring gasoline prices down to $2.50, they are REALLY uninformed about how gas prices are computed....let's thank the speculators in the commodities market for that one! It's amazing that people, especially people in the South, are so pro-Republican when these same Republican candidates will cut their Medicare, desimate (sp) their Social Security, and spend like sailors!! In the past, I've voted for a Republican, and I've also voted Democrat -- it all depended on which candidate I thought would do the job that needed to be done. I didn't want to be "forced" to adhere to a particular party, especially if that party's candidate was not the one for the job.....and it's sad that most people are doing just that without any thought as to what these candidates will do. And, the worse part is that they believe every single word out of their mouths despite the fact that most of what the candidates are putting out are lies! I haven't heard a single one of the Republican candidates say anything about how they would actually FIX the government.....all they do is rant about things that make no difference in today's economy; i.e., birth control, women's rights, etc. What in heck does that have to do with today's economy -- NOTHING!! And, they keep pushing for more oil drilling without taking into consideration that even if we start drilling now, it will take 10 years before we'd see the results! Environmentally, drilling may not be the right thing to do....we need to wean ourselves AWAY from oil and not keep drilling for more at the detriment of our environment!
The other sad thing is the fact that people are voting based on their religions....what ever happened to the separation of church and state? I don't care if the candidate is Buddhist or Catholic, or whatever....can he do the job without bringing in his religion? I stopped going to my church because I got tired of hearing my pastor, who I respect immensely, push the Republican candidates! I'm sorry...if they want to get involved with politics, then they should be paying taxes; otherwise, they need to shut up and preach the bible and not the Constitution! That's not their job!
We should understand that Newt isn't staying in the race to actually win the White House. Newt has the power to determine whether Romney or Santorum win. If it comes down to a fight at the convention all Newt has to do is throw all his delegates to the candidate of his choice. It's a tight race between Romney or Santorum and Newt (and to a lesser extent, Ron Paul) holds the cards that can decide who gets the nomination.
I think if Romney wins the nomination, he will move significantly to the left or center, which is where his heart truly lies.
Santorum scares the bejeesus out of me (and I don't have much bejeesus left). His goal is to create a Christian Theocracy. Don't we have too many theocracies in the Middle East? When someone tells me he doesn't like the idea of "privatizing religion" a chill runs up my spine. He clearly doesn't understand the concept of separation of church and state.
People can vote how they choose. I can't stand single issue voters but it is their vote to do with what they please.
The Grand Old Party is dead, replaced by a Frankenstein sewn together with competing disparate ideologies for body parts. From corporatists to racists, social conservatives to low information voters... this creature walks our streets! However, it is not this amalgam of disparate and negative forces that I fear, it is the villagers who are letting him in through the gates of the city! They booed an American soldier serving in arena of war, cheered at the prospect of a person dying of cancer without insurance and a Governor who boasted that his state was number one in executions! These reactionaries are incapable of being for something but prefer the comfort and intellectual laziness of being against all those they see as not being them and see all others as the "other"! They either lack native intelligence or prefer the ignorance that comes with an absences of introspection, self questioning and attending all the information presented them with a degree of objectivity. Nuance, complexity, the paradoxical and accommodation are all matters beyond their comprehensive - they are the true monsters!
Part of an article by Thomas Sowell you should all reade before you even consider to vote this November. Forward it to
all that you know:
____
If a clear winner with a commanding lead emerges in this primary, the
question then becomes whether that candidate is someone who is likely to defeat
Barack Obama.
If not, then the fate of America -- and of Western nations, including Israel
-- will be left in the hands of a man with a lifelong hostility to Western
values and Western interests.
President Obama is such a genial man that many people, across the
ideological space, cannot see him as a danger.
For every hundred people who can see his geniality, probably only a handful
see the grave danger his warped policies and ruthless tactics pose to a whole
way of life that has given generation after generation of Americans
unprecedented freedom and prosperity.
The election next November will not be just another election, and the stakes
add up to far more than the sum of the individual issues. Moreover, if
reelected and facing no future election, whatever political constraints may
have limited how far Obama would push his radical agenda will be gone.
He would have the closest thing to a blank check.
Nothing could stop him but impeachment or a military coup, and both are very
unlikely. A genial corrupter is all the more dangerous for being genial.
TO: JS in SD who wrote:
They also know that Romney can't beat Obama either, so why shouldn't they vote for the person they actually support?
Obama / Biden 2012
Sam..et al....The idea that Romney- if he should win the WH- would move left of center because that is where he is most comfortable is wishful thinking. Who really thinks that Romney would have the will/nerve or balls to :
1. move to the left of center fighting against the various ignorant, repressive, regressive religiousity T'repcondinos who would be coming at him from right field pushing their agenda of -attack on women, attack on the environment, attack on the middle and poorer economic classes, pushing for everyone to live under their religious views and thus creaating laws to make this possible, or
2. to fight against his own economic class i.e. the the corporate /rich class, who would be also coming at him wanting him to lower the their tax rate and not to touch their tax loopholes or shut off their govt welfare teat that have served them so well alll these years.
3. there would be many people who would be there to remind him of all that he promised during the gop primaries and also to remind him who he said he was i.e. a severe conservative, and thus expect him to live up to that or else while the corporate/rich will be doing the same thing.
4. to repeal the healthcare act and defund Planned Parenthood and fight with women and responsible couples regarding women's healthcare and reproductive choices including contraceptive, the immigration etc issues...
5. to push back against the T'cans in Congress and against the T'can govenors to get them off their distructive divisive path to downsize government into being a non factor in this country
6. to push back against those who would want another conflict/war started and for this country to go it alone instead of getting other countries in the free world on board,that would push this country even deeper into death and debt,
7. to push back against those corporations who want to have rules, regulations, and oversight removed so they can destroy our environment as they chose or scam the masses at will etc, and the variety or push me-pull me people that would be not only biting at his heels, buzzing at his ears but ready to Ides of March him.... LOL
8. Every thing Romney would do would be measured by his past profession as a corporate raider/vultuercapitalist, and even would say his Mormon religion made him do it - whatever 'it' is. LOL
9. He would be getting rubbished by both sides for flip flopping and not being able to get the job done blah blah blah.... he would be viewed as not being able to understand the plight of the poor as he was never poor, while on the other hand not being able to understand the plight of the rich/corporations when he should understand their plight as he was one of them, and it was their pac money that got him elected or he wouldn't be there blah blah blah. The limos arriving at the WH would be checked to see which of the who is who is arriving or arrived and who is leaving... LOL
Which makes one wonder if any side of the GOP would trust him, as it seems that the upper echelons/ rich want Romney (which may not be enough votes to get him elected in the national) while the less fortunate i.e. not rich do not seem to want him while the religiousity ones do not want him either.... or Santarum, Gingrich or Paul would not be in the race... although with these guys it may be they are still running for higher speaking fees.... Hmmmm
If Pres Obama is a christian and these people are saying that he is a muslim even after the past 3 years and they are still into birtherism etc... think of what they would do to Romney to try to make him do what they want to do to prove that he is one of them...? LOL
What is amazing is that none of these T'gop primary candidates have not gone shootin, caressing some weapon or other even as they look at some new military weaponry or other. LOL
Still yet it may be Romney who will be running in the Presidential elections come summer.... The longer Santorum and Gingrich stay in the race running their mouths especially against their fellow candidates and saying the most outrageous off the wall things about women, gas etc the more un-electable they look on the national level.
Perhaps it will be a Romney/Paul ticket... although perhaps the GOP will be looking for a more moderate person to be on the ticket as running mate, as Romney has represented as he discribes himself as a 'severly or severe conservative' they will want a balanced ticket and as they may not want the debacle of the 2008 elections repeated with someone divisive and ignorant like a Palinesque type in the mix.
The question is .... does Romney have the chops to bring all sides of the GOP together... or shut the T'gops down, which is what he is going to have to do to get anything done and to further the GOP as a rational party for the future...
Peace.....
It looks like the southern part of this country is getting dumber and dumber and the outcome of the choice for this Santorum clown shows it. He is unelectable and it will be a sure walk for Obama. Amazing that the GOP is unable to produce any leaders with format, only extremists and right wing religious zealots. Hopefully the majority will shoot the GOP out of the house and enable the democrats to finish legislation for the good of the people instead of protecting the few rich.
Democrats already had their chance at the house AND senate.
........................How'd that work out?
You're too casually mixing the word dumb and southern. You know that's offensive to some.
@ Gypsy: Hmm, well, the recession is easing, the private sector has record profits, and employment figures continue to improve. I guess it worked out pretty well.
I am from the South and I am so ashamed to say you are right on the money! Seems like the Republicans are bound and determined to hand this to Obama! I just don't get it?? That sounds dumb to me!
Sorry Johnsixty but despite the presence of Duke, UNC, Vanderbilt, etc. the south still has the lowest educational achievement level of any region of the country. Also the highest obesity rate, lowest income, highest infant mortality, shortest life span, etc.
Well, oneiron, first off, your logic is mindnumingly uncomprehendable...second - the American slaves weren't all that educated either, but deserved as much as every other American.
Either way, Mr. Obama is gettin shown the door in November. The reason it's so 'heated' is because everybody wants a piece of his money wasting/two faced rear! Read the polls lately? lol
@ Justoneguy: Hate to break it to you, but national polling numbers say the President is going to repeat, no matter which of the 3 candidates win the GoP nomination. The only major difference is, unless Romney gets it, it won't just be a win for the President, it'll be a landslide.
Just don't feel too badly when Obama repeats, seriously. Coming from someone who absolutely thought Bush Jr. couldn't possibly repeat, and the ensuing fallout from that. And really, it doesn't matter who wins the Presidency. Democrat, Republican...it's immaterial, unless the same party owns the House and Senate, things just won't ever get done.
( I hate repeating posts)
The CBS News/New York Times poll released Monday found Obama's approval rating at a new low for that poll, at 41 percent approval and 47 percent disapproval. Obama's previous low in CBS polling was 43 percent, in both September and November 2011. Along with being a new low in CBS polling, the result was also a 9 percentage point drop from February, when a CBS/New York Times poll found Obama's approval rating at 50 percent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/13/obamas-approval-rating-poll_n_1342104.html
POINT: THE PRESIDENT HAS CREATED RECORD DEFICITS/RECORD GAS PRICES AND RECORD UNHAPPINESS. oh ya ....here's your "link"
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/05/10563467-americas-most-miserable-states
Americans are not any happier than they
were last year. In fact, they are slightly more miserable. At least, that’s
what the recent Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index shows. The annual index
measures six areas of well-being, including life evaluation, physical health
and work environment. In 2011, the national well-being score declined slightly
from 2010 and was the lowest since the survey began in 2008.
He is going to lose to ANYBODY that is fit to lead more than - (not even a parade) Mr. Obama BIG SPENDER!!!
Do I really have to explain to you the difference between job approval numbers and polling numbers for presidential candidates? I mean, apparently I do, because instead of showing the national numbers for Obama vs Gingrich/Romney/Santorum, you pasted Job approval numbers. Unfortunately for you, the general public likes the idea of Romney, Gingrich or Santorum as President LESS than they like the idea of Obama repeating.
Those are the numbers you should be looking at, not job approval (Although, noting that his approval ratings have steadily gone up lately should tell you some things also). The recession is continuing to ease, the stock market is back up over 13000, businesses are gaining record profits, our dependance on foreign oil is down, energy efficiency is increasing, and employment numbers continue to improve as time goes on. Those are simply bad signs for the Republican party, which has the terrible stigma of obstructionism to overcome (Whether you agree or not is irrelevant, that's what most people view the Republican party as these days). To say nothing of their desire to control women's bodies, while getting free coverage for their erectile dysfunction. 51% of the populace is female, fyi.
All that aside, as I said, I felt just as passionately as you do about the impossibility of Bush Jr. repeating, and look what happened there. I'm just offering some kind advice here, prepare yourself for the possibility, otherwise you're going to be blindsided by a harsh dose of reality come election time.
NO B Murphy.....the question is...HAS OBAMA IMPROVED LIFE IN AMERICA? answer: Epic Fail
The intelligent people of the U.S., me included, have to bring Romney to the forefront and then get him to unwind and spell out his policies in simple terms so that both Rednecks and lying LIberals can see this is the man to lead the U.S. for the next 8 years.
You wish...(lol) Your lack of knowledge is embarrassing. Pray it isn't hereditary.
sanka, first thing Romney needs to do is to admit his health-care mandate in Mass while saying that is what the country needs. Then he should explain why he thought the auto companies should fail and was against giving them LOANS and protecting stocks, much of what has been paid back already and the stocks are being sold back to pay the so-called bail-out. Where are the banks paying back the trillions of what they got on bail-outs (a lot of which went to foreign banks). He needs to explain why he was hiding so much in Swiss accounts, then making the illusion of bringing it back and paying tax on it when he just parked it in the caymans.
Personally, I hope he does win the nomination. Going to be interesting.
Red--I don't think Mitt wants to explain those things, just like he doesn't want to explain how Massachusetts ranked 47th in job creation during his term as governor (some studies show a net loss of jobs).
The CBS News/New York Times poll released Monday found Obama's approval rating at a new low for that poll, at 41 percent approval and 47 percent disapproval.
Yep -- against a generic Republican -- Obama isn't doing well. But ---- GENERIC ISN'T RUNNING. When you stack President Obama up against Romney, Santorum or Gingrich, the president wins hands down. Americans aren't wild about President Obama but they like Republicans even less.
@ JustOneGuy:
Fail is a verb
Failure is a Noun
Fail cannot be Epic
(From Maddox)
That aside, did Bush Jr. improve life in America in his first term? No? That's what I thought. Elections aren't as black and white as you think. People honestly will vote for a candidate they don't approve of, if they disprove of other candidates more. It's been a widely proven fact.
I really don't care who you vote for, seriously. Not trying to change your mind on anything, or influence your vote at all. What I am saying is national polling statistics say that Obama is going to have a 2nd term, and you better start preparing yourself for that, or you're going to be in for a nasty surprise come November.
Now, go back to school and learn how to express yourself better than using buzz words that help butcher the English language.
JustOneGuy
Yeah don't repeat your posts, infact don't post at all. You're a rube.
Let's see ... in Alabama, automotive manufacturers have located Mercedes, Honda, and Hyundai manufacturing facilities. They also have a Toyota (I believe) engine plant in Huntsville, AL. Near Mobile, Al, Thyssenkrup located a major production steel production facility. Birmingham, AL has one of the finest medical complexes in the entire U.S.
Perhaps, being a right-to-work state and fostering a pro-business climate has helped that development potential. The unemployment rate in Alabama was recently reported at 7.8% while Detroit is around 25 %.
Please tell the people of Alabama and its governor just how stupid they are so they will all know ! LOL !! The unproven superiority complex of the self-named "Progressives" is truly founded upon a sense of arrogance. Common sense is disdained.
Jim,
How did things go over when Alabama arrested the CEO's of Mercedes and Honda for being immigrants? Hell even the most liberal state doesn't arrest CEO's. Some pro-business climate! By the way: being 29th in the nation for lowest unemployment isn't exactly something to brag about.
Those are all great accomplishments; however, that all occurred when the state was controlled by the Democrats.
There have been good things happening for the people in Alabama. We need to return to the politics of creating opportunity not all these divisive social issues that continue to return Alabama to our past.
Pragmatic, I heard nothing of Honda so I can only assume you made that up. The Mercedes situation was rectified in time and it was not a CEO, so you lied. Besides, arrests are made for illegal immigrants so that is just another distortion by you.
It has been some time since there has been a Democratic Governor in this state and he was sent to prison for accepting bribe money, Mark. Lt. Governor Jim Folsom was involved in the initial Mercedes effort, but Honda and Hyundai came at later dates.
In any event, you two totally missed the point that closed union shops and high state taxes in the north have driven manufacturing jobs to the South. I imagine South Carolina would have a Boeing plant as well had Obama not stepped in to protect his union buddies in Washington. After all, Patty Murray is another Obama lap dog.
HERE'S THE GOP NIGHTMARE: The party has indelibly impressed in their brain this Iconic symbol of conservatism Ronald Reagan, and they won't let it go. So every election, they try real hard to make a Reagan appear. They will even entertain a Gingrich, Santorum and even a Paul, and then you have a Romney that so desperately wants every GOP voter to believe he is one but is a moderate stuffed in a makeshift conservative skin. Reagan is no longer alive, he doesn't exist, when he did exist in the White House he never passed a balanced budget, this conservatism is FOKELORE. So therefore you have this GOP electorate not really impressed with anything, just stuck, because they can't make a Ronney appear, and all the Hannities, and all the Carl Roves can't but humpty dumpty Reagan look alike back together again........ Therefore Obama wins in 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For example, just one example: Could the Republican's come up with their own environmental platform of beliefs?? Do they have one? I, midwestern American have no idea if they have one, how incredibly refreshing would it be if they could articulate one, maybe it's totally different than a Greenpeace approach, I have no idea, never heard their party beliefs. Instead of the same ole cut taxes and deregulate message.
The GOP's nightmare is Gingrich insisting on staying in the race.
America's nightmare is the GOP
Read the polls...Obama is toast.
Just--What polls are you reading? Can you provide a link? Here's a link to the poll of polls: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html. These polls show Obama defeating each and every Republican candidate. Some toast.
The CBS News/New York Times poll released Monday found Obama's approval rating at a new low for that poll, at 41 percent approval and 47 percent disapproval. Obama's previous low in CBS polling was 43 percent, in both September and November 2011. Along with being a new low in CBS polling, the result was also a 9 percentage point drop from February, when a CBS/New York Times poll found Obama's approval rating at 50 percent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/13/obamas-approval-rating-poll_n_1342104.html
OH YA..now I BET it's the source.
POINT: THE PRESIDENT HAS CREATED RECORD DEFICITS/RECORD GAS PRICES AND RECORD UNHAPPINESS. oh ya ....here's your "link"
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/05/10563467-americas-most-miserable-states
Americans are not any happier than they
were last year. In fact, they are slightly more miserable. At least, that’s
what the recent Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index shows. The annual index
measures six areas of well-being, including life evaluation, physical health
and work environment. In 2011, the national well-being score declined slightly
from 2010 and was the lowest since the survey began in 2008.
He is going to lose to ANYBODY that is fit to lead more than - (not even a parade) Mr. Obama BIG SPENDER!!!
Just--Sorry to tell you but the election is between two candidates, it is not a referendum on one candidate and if that candidate doesn't poll over 50% the candidate loses. You will recall that in 2000, GW Bush polled less than 50% and won, as did Clinton in 1992 (and Lincoln in 1860). Specifically, what matters is the electoral vote. You may want to look at the RealClearPolitics.com electoral map http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html. It shows Obama's lead is almost insurmountable. A year ago, I didn't think Obama stood a chance, but I failed to count on the generosity of the Republican party.
By the way, you may want to read the post before you cite it as a source of your glee. Here's what one of your links said: "But other polls conducted around the same time fail to show an Obama plunge, suggesting that at least some of the dip could be statistical noise." Not exactly an endorsement of the "Obama is toast" notion.
I did read it Old....50% isn't exactly a winning number unless you're desparate. Actually, I purposely waited to see if you'd say that to see JUST HOW DESPARATE you are. The defecit numbers, the wasted tax dollars, the excess military spending, and outright campaign lies are going to make Mr. Obama history. It's just a matter of who's going to project the truth. See ya in November...(not)
One wonders how many people who've convinced themselves Obama is guaranteed to lose will call the election a sham if he wins by any clear majority come November.
One also wonders what the make-up of Congress will be this year, with the country continuing to slide towards greater extremism in favor of both the left- and right-wing, depending on region.
Just-- 50% is a winning number if the other candidate gets 49%. By the way, it's the Republicans who are pushing military spending and the Republican candidates have no peers when it comes to lying on the campaign trail. No desperation here, just confidence.
Ed--Sadly, IMHO, virtually all of those currently espousing Obama's inevitable defeat will claim foul when Obama wins. After all, many claimed foul when Obama clobbered McCain in 2008 and this election will likely be closer. And you're correct, what we need are centrists. I suspect that with the retirement of Olympia Snowe, there will be more centrist Democrats than centrist Republicans.
Wait...is Gitmo closed? lol It's time for a change Old Vet...btw...I'm a 'New Vet' lol again.....
ed3891...too easy...You folks are still whining about Florida years and years later. This rhetoric is not gonna work a second time. So brace yourselves.
@JustOneGuy: The President can't order Gitmo closed without approval from the Senate/Congress to do something with the inmates, unless you want him to grant Presidential pardons to every individual inside (You probably do, I mean, that would pretty much be the only way for the GoP to win the Presidency). Given those facts, the President actually has tried to shut down Gitmo, but was denied, by Congress...because they won't allowed the inmates to be kept on American soil, in American prisons OR shipped to other country's prisons. Can't fault the President for Congress being pussies.
Just--That's the best you have? Gitmo not closed? Let's see, a few days ago Romney declared he never said Romneycare should be a model for the nation and then three videos of him saying exactly that showed up. He said he never hired illegals, but maybe he did. Santorum, well, he was named one of the three most corrupt Senators of 2006 for a reason. Just as an example, read about the K Street Project in Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Street_Project). As for Gringrich, he made a career out of lying to his wives in particular and the American people in general.
Oh gawd...anybody in my camp (IE the MAJORITY and NOT the most able to call names) can come up with many more than Gitmo 'Old'...and you know it. We done.
Obummer is a giant in his own mind. How can a Harvard/Colombia graduate work as a voter registrater to get out the vote for $13,000 a year.????? There are so many questions and so few answers.
Now Obama just called his Marxist Anti American pastor who wants every jew in the world killed his best friend!
I believe everyone would love to listen to the same theology that Obama listened to for over 20 years from his Pastor Wright:Jeremiah Wright was a committed Marxist, as he himself confirmed in an address in September 2009:
"My work with liberation theology, with Latin American theologians, with the Black Theology Project and with the Cuban Council of Churches taught me 30 years ago the importance of Marx and the Marxist analysis of the social realities of the vulnerable and the oppressed who were trying desperately to break free of the political economics undergirded by this country that were choking them and cutting off any hope of a possible future where all of the people would benefit."
When Obama became a member of Trinity Church in 1991, he accepted what the church calls "the Black Value System," a race-based code ethics that black Americansto shun the middle class life as a white trap, and to patronize only black-owned businesses.
As Jeremiah Wright put it, "We are an African people, and remain true to our native land, the mother continent."
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a … law, and then wants us to sing God bless America, no no no, not God bless America, GOD DAMN AMERICA, it's in the Bible, killing innocent people.…."Shocked? I am!
Obama spent 20 years in this indoctrination and wanted to be president of a free multicultural democratic society?
Shocked as to why Obama spent 20 years listening to and accepting this disgraceful nonsense? I am not!
And the ?American public want this piece of shi* as president?
Obama is a mulatto 1/2 white and 1/2 black. He prefers to call himself black.
Just--I can only work with what you give me. As for being in the majority, you obviously aren't reading the head-to-head electoral polls. As for other polls, you are aware, are you not, that Romney has the highest negatives of any recent presidential candidate at this point in the campaign and his negatives are lower than those for Gingrich or Santorum. But I urge you to keep giving to the loser of your choice. If you give enough, some of it may find its way into the general economy and help it improve faster, thus giving more of a boost to Obama. By the way, what do you call the candidate with 270 electoral votes? Mr. President. Look at realclearpolitics.com electoral projections.
Sanka--Are you sure you want to keep embarrassing yourself by showing your ignorance? That line you copied about Wright "confirming" he is a "committed Marxist" in the quotation you gave doesn't confirm a thing, except that you have difficulty with reading comprehension. Every historian, for example, knows the importance of Marx and Marxian analysis in understanding world history. That doesn't make them committed Marxist; it makes them intelligent beings. Besides, listening to a Marxist, even if Wright was one, doesn't make one a Marxist. I took my Russian history from a Marxist historian. That experience helped me to understand that Marx's interpretation of history is too simplistic to be viable. As for the rest of your post, your hateful, ignorant rant didn't work in 2008 and won't work in 2012.
Old Vet,
With all the respect I can possibly give your ongoing diatribe, your logic is badly flawed.
Any poll showing Obama against a POTENTIAL GOP candidate at this point will be flawed because they are not the DE FACTO GOP candidate.
If you poll a Santorum supporter on a mythical Obama vs Romney or Obama vs Gingrich matchup .... then that person may indeed give you a false answer because he is a staunch Santorum supporter and he wants to diminish the opposition (at this point it's still a primary) chances. Likewise, if you poll a Romney supporter about Gingrich vs Obama or Santorum vs Obama, then you may again get a false answer because they swear by the former Governor of Massachusetts. The same logic would apply if you polled a solid Gingrich supporter.
ANY poll putting a sitting President against a THEORETICAL candidate will be flawed because you are not comparing apples to oranges. Therefore, the potential matchups you display are of little value.
Once the Republican candidate is confirmed, then and only then will the polls be truly comparable.
Furthermore, I think your remark at #3.16 is inflammatory and you should be banned for a day.
Old Idiot,
When Clinton received less than 50% in a National Election there were 3 candidates.
Bingo! And this will continue all the way to Tampa. The reality is that all three could beat Obama, but the strongest keys to beating Obama
Likeability
One of 'use"
Consistency.
The least Obama can use negativity successfully on.
Romney and Gingrich are weaker on these issues.
I don't believe any of the three can stand against Obama, no new message.
Paul - if you think Newt's proposal of $2.50 Gallon Gasoline was backed up by an analyst at the Wall Street Journal.
Belief, needs to be founded in solid indisputable facts. We live in an age where the news media spoon feeds you only the facts and assertions that support what they believe. They conveniently ignore the information and facts that blow what they support out of the water. If you believe that those 3 could not beat Obama, then you have been living in the Obama fields too long, and have failed to notice those fields are becoming a desert wasteland.
What is an Obama field?
Kind of like field of poppies in the Wizzard of Oz. It just puts you into I nice pleasant deep sleep.
I believe all three have no chance of beating Obama, but I have never lived in an Obama field.
Santorum savannah. Kind of like a place where people feel good about not being smart enough to get into college, and then get eaten by a hyena.
DB--Time for a reality check. Here's the latest poll of polls: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html. Read it and weep. Obama wins.
Facts Republicans Hate: Why President Obama will win in November
Job losses per month in January 2008: 700,000
Job gains last month: 227,000
24 straight months of private sector gob growth
GDP growth in 2008: negative 6%
GDP growth last year 2.9%
Dow Jones Average in January 2008: Under 8000
Dow Jones Average today: 13,000+
Record domestic oil production
GMC – all time record profits
Near record corporate profits across the board
Osama Bin Laden --- dead
Iraq war --- over
Charlie-1915998
You can copy and paste these stats day after day after day and it will not matter to the Repubs. They will swear up and down that nothing has improved. to them facts don't matter - especially those facts that make Obama look good.
Repubs are against voting to increase the debt ceiling - while they voted for it 19 times during the Bush Administration.
Republicans are for wars but they are also for budget cuts to programs that take care our our injured soldiers.
Republicans are for a smaller government while Reagan, Bush1 and Bush2 increased the size of the government while in office.
Republicans are for the Freedom of Religion as long as the religion is Christianity.
Republicans are for the Constitution and the Rights guaranteed by it as long as you are not Gay, a woman, or a non-Christian.
Romney is the most electable. He wins in areas Obama did very well in 2008 in. If he's the nominee, the hard-core conservatives will vote for him, because he's not Obama. The battle for the presidency has always been fought in the middle. Romney has a good shot of eroding Obama's voters in the middle. Santorum doesn't have a chance at eroding any of Obama's voters from the middle. He's too extreme for this political climate.
Romney viewed as most electable....TO WHAT DOG CATCHER?
Mittens Rob-us-blind Flip Flop, the 1%'er actually 0.006%'er CORPORATE RAIDER and one time governor of Liberal Mass but now he is an arch conservative. Has supported Abortion, Gay Rights, Gun Control, Stem Cell Research and has reverse himself on all of these issues.
He took both sides on the financial bailout, the stimulus bill, the auto loan package;
His biggest Flip-Flop of all Health Care Reform The national Law is modeled on the one that he championed as governor in Mass that requires every citizen to have health insurance. Now he has Flipped-Flopped. Mr. Flop has taken a hard slide to the right pandering and boot licking to the tea party.
Mitt Flip-Flop Rob-us-blind, a wishy-washy, flip flopping spineless politician without any core convictions, principals or believes a man who will say or do anything to get elected telling one crowd one thing and another crowd another. You simply can’t trust this guy to tell you the truth.
The only good thing that would happen if Flip-Flop were to get elected It would prove that Conservatism is dead as Flip-Flop would stab the Conservatives in the back and they know it.
Big spender? Iraq--1.5 trillion while lowering taxes by a half billion. Obama is Mr. Big Spender huh?
September 2007: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the
debt limit to - $9.815 trillion
July 2008:
[Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $10.615 trillion
October 2008:
[Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the debt limit to - $11.315 trillion
December 2009: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the
debt limit to - $12.394 trillion
February 2010: [Democratic-controlled] Congress raising the
debt limit to - $14.294 trillion
What are we now?
ALMOST 16 TRILLION!?!?! Way to spend our tax money
Mr. Big $PENDER OBAMA
- Epic Fail
Just--I am shocked, just shocked, that you didn't mention GW Bush's contribution. Here's what Wikipedia has to say: The U.S. national debt grew significantly from 2001 to 2008, both in dollars terms and relative to the size of the economy (GDP),[1] due to a combination of tax cuts and wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Budgeted spending under President Bush averaged 19.9% of GDP, similar to his predecessor President Bill Clinton, although tax receipts were lower at 17.9% versus 19.1%.[2]
You may also want to look at this: http://www.examiner.com/economic-policy-in-national/rhetoric-misleading-who-really-ran-up-the-national-debt
Everyone is aware that Bush raised the debt ceiling seven times in his presidency, four times under a Republican congress.
Funny how these Republicans are so concerned about spending today. Where were you when George W. Bush and his Republican Congress were spending for two unfunded wars, two unfunded tax cuts, a massive, unfunded, new entitlement, the largest expansion of government since LBJ, the largest increase in energy prices in any 8 year period in our history, along with a net loss of jobs over 8 years all while turning the largest surplus of all times into the largest deficit of all times and leaving office with the worst economy since the depressions?
CHARLIE-------- Tell me, just between us girls, don't you leftys-------ever------- get a little embarrassed trying to defend the inept liar in the white house by beating on a guy that has been out of office for three years.
Do you think maybe everyone except the handouters are a little bored with that particular lefty canard?
It's all they have robert. That and meaningless polls against potential candidates which are scientifically flawed from the start. See my post at #3.17.
@Robert: Inept liar? And, Do you not mean voted out of office for three years?
And the handouters? Are you referring to the Bankers, Wallstreeters, Insurance Ffolk, Military Contractors, OIL Industry, and War Profiteers?
Lefty canard? OK. So there isn't any righty canard?
Both presidents ran up the debt. Both presidents spent like crazy. Both presidents didn't fund their spending. Both houses of congress run by both parties enabled it all to happen.
Now that we've assigned blame to those responsible, let's get started on fixing the problem.
@barry-barry libcon,
Please explain to me how George Bush was "voted out of office" after 3 years, or are you hitting the bong early today ? George Bush served two full terms and there are term limits.
Maybe someone will send you an egg scraper ..... to scrape that stuff that's all over your face.
Truly, an EPIC FAIL on your part !
@Jim: Yes, truly an epic fail on my part. Except, I was thinking of about Santorum, who is currently a presidential nominee. And, it has been six years since Santorum lost his re election bid.
gwbush is gone. His legacy is still unfolding.
I will stand with my handouters reply to Robert in #5.6.
Your observance is appreciated. My oversite is not really that uncommon. I'm a Vietnam Veteran, 67 through 69. My youth is long passed.
Hey Mitt you ain't just whistlin' Dixie.
The GOP's nightmare is the resurgence of the Antebellum South in their party.
And this is a true, and very honest fact, that can be blamed on President Obama.
The fracturing of the GOP continues. Now we need Sarah Palin to jump in and make it the greatest show on earth.
barry-barry-libcom: What the Antebellum south wants is for Nathan Bedford Forrest to come back to life and save the illiterate south from themselfves.
If the GOP continues on this path they will become a regional party, not a national party. they are doing everything they can to drive everyone except old Southern white guys out. If that's the only people supporting you, you won't win a national election.
Uh huh, like 2010 right, you remember that don't you?
When the leftys took the worst electoral fanny kicking in 70 years.
The probablem that the leftys have is that the majority of the country still have morals and integrity and a desire to pay their own way.
Hawk, generalizing is not very intelligent. Not all Southerners are illiterate.
Robert, generalizing is not very intelligent. Not all liberals lack morals and integrity.
You both need to take a class in logic.
By the way, Robert and Hawk, you both need to use spell check. IMAGINE, an illiterate, liberal Southern girl noticing that!
I don't trust Romney. THAT matters more than if he is "electable"!!!
Right. Because Newt is so trustworthy.
He is a Mormon-thats what you really mean Lizzybeth.
So glad to know laguna is a mind reader .... or perhaps, just another libbie with nothing of relevance to say about the article. Keep this disingenuous b$ at home, this is not a chat vine.
We should just cut AL and MS loose. Perhaps Saudi Arabia would want them. They're nothing but religious fanatics who think 'smaller govt' means making women's bodies federal property.
But in Alabama and Mississippi, that would make for bigger government. Much bigger.
bob,
Do you actually THINK before you blather out such nonsense ?
People like you get their information about the South from old Hollywood movies .... fiction. But then you believe in that nonsense. Your mental thought ranges are limited by your lack of knowledge and your images of reality. I'll give you a hint ...... Forrest Gump was fiction !
Open your mind, do some research .... and let go of the old stereotypes you so desperately cling to. Most important, take your self-appointed superiority complex and throw it away.
Bravo, Jim! Well said!
Rick the Dick selected by hicks - no surprise here.
The GOP shows us that they are no longer in a position to govern this country by consent, with candidates that seek a result instead or barriers, that have the entire country at heart, which do not discriminate against women. They reap the fruits of being sidelined because of extremist politics that has not been shy to drive the country over a cliff instead of to seek consent. Their candidates present everything that this country does not stand for and for the matter Reagan would also not agree with them. We do not need extremists, we need people with vision and it remains only Obama as the one representing everything these clowns cannot - the people of this country, all of them.
Let's see ... all of these candidates talk about working toward balancing the federal budget and one of them actually has some real experience in doing that,
Obama, on the other hand, is in his FOURTH year of office and has yet to submit any semblance of a realistic budget proposal. One of his previous "offerings" was voted down 97 to 0 in the Senate .... with NO DEMOCRATS VOTING FOR HIS PROPOSAL ! This year's offering is worse and Harry Reid will not even bring it up for a vote.
"Vision" is one thing, however, the reality of about $16 trillion in debt, no realistic budget proposals and unabashed spending through growth of government is quite another.
YOU do not represent the "people of this country" who are concerned with our country's fiscal insanity.
And the circus just continues on, gotta love it! Guess nobody in the GoP realizes the sooner a nominee is chosen, the sooner they can focus on gaining the publics trust for a Presidential run. The only shame is that it has to end at some point....sure has been hilarious to watch.
The Southern Republicans are basically living in 1850, no one should be surprised if they are attracted to Santorum. 60% don't "believe" in evolution as if evolution was some separate religion. Sorry folks Science isn't based on your faith and its not asking for your "belief". This kind of stullifying and impacted stupidity is unbelieveable in the greatest country on the planet.
In the Deep South, "not conservative enough" means not willing to put on white bedsheets and a dunce cap before burning a cross or two on some colored's lawn.
Racist enough ? Wow, when you cannot argue on points of policy .... pull out the images from 150 years ago. Is that all you've got ????
I'll give you a hint, there is NO "Deep South". It is a term coined by "northern" meteoroligists to explain the weather. Furthermore, libtards who espouse opinions based on ideas they really do not understand should probably just stay in bed.
I guess the southerners just didn't like Romney's phony southern accent. They knew he was also lying about liking the cheesy grits, when he really wanted Gray Poupon.
but he ate GRITS and said y'all geesh what more do you want?
He is truly a corporate friend and he has not really focused to how to fix our problems, such as education, tax.
Go, Rick, go! Come on Republicans, you know you'd much rather be right (far right) than president. Let's nominate the nutcase and guarantee Obama's re-election.
Romney didn't need any big break through in these states, Santorum netting maybe a handful of delegates is no big move. I don't find this drama very compelling, except to show what a cruddy candidate they're stuck with.
G-Dog--Certainly not compelling, but amusing in a droll sort of way.
It is truly sad that the bigoted Evangelical Christians are willing to destroy this country by assuring the re-election of Obama by voting for someone entirely un-electable, as Santorum is, all because of their hatred for Romney;s faith. Hatred, pure and simple guides them. While I still have faith that the majority of Republicans, the NOT Evangelicals, will do the right thing and vote Romney, if Santorum prevails and loses, as he surely will, let it never be forgotten that it was the Evangelicals who gave us Santorum. Their bigotry and hatred will be Obama's victory and the country's demise.
Totally. This economic recovery, near-record highs of the DOW, NASDAQ, and S&P, the killing of Bin-Laden, job growth, GM's record profits, "socialist bailout" money mostly all paid back already, ending of inane Iraq War that cost 1.5 trillion dollars and had nothing to do with 9/11 is so bad. I weep for our future.
Nice spin, but it is still spin.
What is not true?
No really. How is this spin? Did the war not end? Did GM not reach record profits last quarter? Is Bin-Laden not dead? Was there not near record highs in the markets today? What brodio?
Get Over--Don't be so blue. The nation survived GW Bush; it can survive most anything.
Clap--Get Over may not want to deal with reality right now. He's coming to grips with the fact that his party is controlled by right-wing, bigoted extremists.
Ha ha...sure is good that msnbc has the the ultra left to prop up its site...or down the drain it would go.
Bush:
Iraq
Afghanistan
Obama:
Libya
Yemen
Uganda
(intensified Afghanistan)
"Meanwhile, in all the fanfare and patting themselves on the back, Treasury and GM made no mention of what happened to the $2.5 billion loan GM owes its union health care plan....." (just google it)
HA HA....we'll talk in a couple months; otherwise, you'd be ANGRY that THE RICH are getting richer....lol
Good try....Obama=EPIC FAIL
Just--Please, you're sounding delusional. How many American lives have been lost in Libya, Yemen and Uganda? (Uganda is a real stretch--we've 100 Special Forces in that country, a lot less than in the Philippines, for example.) How many American lives were lost in a pointless war in Iraq? How many were lost in a badly-run war in Afghanistan until Obama gave the conflict the attention it needed? I note you did not dispute the facts that bin Laden (and twenty-plus of his top lieutenants) are dead or that GM had record profits or that the stock markets are higher than they've been since 2002. You can hope for the worst, but the best is yet to come.
The Tali-BAM has spoken !
perhaps if Romney would stop lying about his faith and calling himself and all Mormons Christians we could relax. He is not now or ever was a Christian. He has shut down factory after factory and cost millions their livelihood and homes. He has driven thousands in Mass into bankruptcy with his health care plan. This is the guy you want as President? gimme a break!
I've heard more than one evangelical say that they would vote for Obama over Romney because "at least he is a Christian."
Frances, just stop with your ignorance. Saying Mormons aren't Christians, is like a Jew saying your God is not theirs, or a Christian saying that Allah is not God (you probably would - and Muslims would vehemently disagree with you).
Mormons have an embellished view on Christ (who they worship fervently), that is true. But you have an embellished view on the God of Abraham, and Muslims even more. The fact is all these groups have splintered off different views of divinity. Many Christians view the jews as a chosen people and defend Israel, even though they think your Christ fellow is nothing special.
Romney will NEVER deny he is a Christian, any more than a Catholic or a Protestant would, because they wholeheartedly believe they are, and pray in his name every night. They're the only major sect of Christianity who actually have Christ in their official name.
I'm not a religious man, but can we please stop bashing people on who's invisible man in the sky is better? It's unbecoming and makes you guys look like idiots. And yes I'm fully aware of everything that makes a mormon different than you (he wears "magic underwear!.. they posthumously baptize the dead by proxy! blah blah blah) but all of you do things that I find a bit strange so all of our freakouts about ceremonial practices mean little to me.
I am not so surprised that Romoney did not win in these southern states -- knew that was not a possibilty. I was actually more surprised that his 3rd place finish was so close to Newt's vote count (2nd place finish). After all as other have sttaed here -- one he is a rich guy from the north. Two, being a Mormon "sister/wife' have a whole diffent meaning than down in the south. I am an independent, myself -- but i can not get over the fact that the GOP can not come up with any better caniduates than these guys! Fighting for the support of the far -right is (about 17% of the general voye in this nation) is not going to help them beat President Obama in the general election in Novembern-- the vast majority of voters are more moderate. Mitt was is the most "electable" (maybe) -- but not if the all have established their ultra-conservative (1950's era) cred. They are quickly losing the majority of the woman vote. the minority vote and anyone who is educated. At this pount is not if Obama will win re-election -- but instead by how much!
Klansmen/women do not burn crosses: they light crosses.
Things have come a long way among "conservative Christians" (especially in the South) when they prefer a minion of the Pope of Rome to a subject of the Sultans of Salt Lake.
Gregory----Are you old enough to remember 1960 when John Kennedy ran for President, and how so many were upset and sure that if he got elected "The Pope will run the country"? I remember it. He won, and did the Pope run the country? Of course not. None of the candidates religions make one bit of difference. I'm not voting for a person's religion, but his leadership qualities, and ability to get the country back on track. If people like or dislike a candidate because of his religion, then they are idiots.
Kennedy understood that he was being elected as president of all the people and it was not his job to be Pope in Chief. Now, the evangelicals have become the shock troops for the RCC.
They have spent years voting for people based on their religious views, passing law after oppressive law to impose their religious views on those who do not agree, and telling us that they think the Bible should rule this country, not the Constitution.
So while you may not vote this way, millions do, all along the South and "Middle" of this country. And it is tearing this country apart. Make no mistake about it. Kids are home-schooled and come out thinking the world is flat, that there are not 3 separate but equal branches, and that this country is headed for hell because everyone is not living as they wish us to live.
Janice, I thank you for your reasonable view, but until the rest of the real Middle America and reasonable religious people in America stand up to this religious authoritarianism, we are headed for more battles that derail our need to think about our real future on Earth instead of the one in Heaven.
May be he was not redneck enough for the south ya-awl.
No, he was not Evangelical enough. Exit polls do not lie and the exit polls clearly demonstrate that Romney has the best chance of winning, yet, Evangelicals overwhelmingly went for Santorum. Evangelicals want Santorum, fine, but they better not try and make excuses when their anointed one gets destroyed by Obama.
Other countries have to be looking at the republican party and have to be laughing their butts off because you have a four ring circus with no leader in their party, and some people wants sarah palin to get back in and be the leader but the only leading she is going to do is to lead herself back to Glen Rice.
I wonder what they teach these guys in the south in all these colleges and universities. We had evidence of the kind of education a religious clown school called "Liberty University" produced as lawyers that Bush hired into the White House. It seems education and science is wasted on them and they only thing they need is a preacher that tells them what to think. Kind of scaring that half of this country is sliding back into a time when church ruled, killed people for different beliefs and denied science. The kind of evangelicals with their preachers that are more concerned with the money they make, which spill hate against anybody not in their backyard and which try to embrace their belief on anybody in this country regardless if they want it. Sounds like what they always talk about Moslems and Taliban, ha?
Instead of upbeat and regard education and science as something that takes this country forward, like President Kennedy did, they show us greed and disregard for the neighbor. I wonder what kind of religion that is, not mine.
I'm waiting for anyone, someone.....to make a point that would convince me or many others to vote for someone that "appears" to be extreme to either end of the spectrum.
We are frankly getting tired of this. My way or the highway means you ride your own horse to where ever it may take you. I'm at the point of trying to determine whether or not China or India would be the best place to raise a family.
You go get Iran....you send your kids to protect whatever $$$ interests you believe need protecting. I'm off to Asia. It appears the middle class is growing there.
At least we'll be able to supply the rest of you with bamboo hats, bicycles, rice, etc. as you settle into your new life in once what was the great USA.
We've been had. lol.
Well, at least in China you won't have to worry about who to vote for. I guess you'll also like the fact that there will not be any "extreme" political positions in China, except those that are approved by the government. I hope you've already had all the kids you want to have. In China, "We'll scrape your womb!" is a government slogan--really. I'm sure you've done your homework. I guess that's not too "extreme" for you, but it's mild compared to those that threaten death, or worse. Lots of culture shock awaits you in India as well. At least it's a democracy but poverty, illiteracy, corruption and inadequate health care are additional challenges. When America comes roaring back, as it always does, we won't mind buying those bamboo hats from you. You'll be eating America's dust and wondering why you threw away everything because of a few niggling complaints. Or you'll find that the problem wasn't America, it was you. Don't say I didn't warn ya! :)
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Way off topic...Off the planet actually
Are the Romney people paying Newt Gingrich to stay in the race?????
Justina--That would be a smart thing for Romney to do. Without Newt, the far, far right would give the nomination to Santorum and the election to Obama. I'm sure Newt sees no reason to get out. He's gathering delegates, getting exposure, raising his lecture fees and doing it all on someone else's dime.
One thing that is as sure as the day is long, Newt is a narcicist (sp?) and an opportunist. They do not get much sleazier than Newt, though Rush Limbaugh comes to mind.
there is very little difference between the RWNJ nominees - Obama will win in any event.
The only difference will be the margin of the WIN (assuming, of course, that there isn't a complacency on the part of the electorate that wasn't evidenced in the 2010 elections - rethugs always vote, dems, only in the "important" national elections - the relative importance of the off-year elections illustrated WHY we have a "do nothing important congress" capable of only saying "NO!" to anything productive.
Congressional approval rating is about 10% now and illustrates the distaste of the electorate in their "representation".