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Subscribe to RSSThe Justice Department on Monday blocked enforcement of the voter identification law which Texas Gov. Rick Perry signed last spring, contending that it would have a discriminatory impact on Latino voters.
In a letter to Texas Director of Elections Keith Ingram, Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez said that “according to the state’s own data, a Hispanic registered voter is at least 46.5 percent, and potentially 120.0 percent, more likely than a non-Hispanic registered voter” to lack either a driver’s license or a state-issued identification card, which would be required to vote.
Ralph Barrera / AP
Texas Gov. Rick Perry is interviewed in Austin, Texas, on Tuesday, Feb. 21, 2012.
Under section 5 of the Voting Rights Act, Texas is one of nine states that is required to get pre-approval from the Justice Department or from a federal judge prior to implementing any change in voting procures.
In his letter Monday, Perez also argued that under the Texas law, in order to get a state-issued voter identification card, a voter would need to provide two pieces of secondary identification, or one piece of secondary identification and two supporting documents. “If a voter does not possess any of these documents, the least expensive option will be to spend $22 on a copy of the voter’s birth certificate,” he said. This, Perez said, would impose a burden on Hispanic voters because many have incomes below the federal poverty line.
The Justice Department decision on Monday was expected since it had blocked a similar law in South Carolina, another state also covered by section 5 of the Voting Rights Act.
It is not the end of the battle over voter ID in the Lone Star State.
In January, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott asked a federal court in Washington to allow Texas to use its photo ID law. That court has yet to issue a ruling.
Abbott argued that even if the Justice Department contends that the Texas law has the effect of limiting the voting rights of those who do not possess a government-issued photo identification, “it does not do so on account of their race or color -- it does so on account of their decision not to obtain the identification that the State offers free of charge.”
Abbott also argued that other states, such as Indiana, Kansas, and Wisconsin, “have been able to enact and enforce similar laws without interference” from the Justice Department. “Yet Texas is denied that ability to implement election-fraud prevention laws. This creates a two-tracked system of sovereignty,” in which some states can enforce their photo-identification requirements, but Texas cannot, “even though all of these state laws comply with the Constitution.”
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We all know as Americans how grossly unfair it is to expect a voter to produce a driver's license or state photo ID to vote. It restricts the right of the few knucleheads who don't have IDs to vote, it truly does, and I am glad we have Democrats to protect the right to vote fraudulently!
Oh shut up the sarcasm. People have been voting for DECADES without showing a drivers license. I have one, but my 92 year old mother does not. Her other forms of ID have always been good enough to vote. So what's changed? Now, because she's too old to drive, she's -- what? -- to old to VOTE, too?
The Republicans are bringing a the 21st century version of racist Jim Crow laws. Show me the widespread fraud. I can't believe people are passively sitting back letting this happen.
Mjordan - learn how to read you dope. I mentioned State ID is OK under the law President Barack Milhous Obama is trying to block. What Obama's Administration is attempting to block is the necessity of showing an approved form of photo ID. Be it a State ID or a driver's license.
How unreasonable!
Yeah, unreasonable, NRA card O.K. State issued Student ID not OK...
Get real rebel with no couse for alarm.
I challenge you to show me any significant amount of voter fraud that would change any election result.
I really don't think you are up to it, but you're a Texan, so I think you might be big enough to try...
Mjordan,
How hard would it be for you to drive your grandmother a few blocks to obtain another piece of ID, if it would insure no more voter fraud. .....and yes there is voter fraud, even if you don't want to acknowledge it.
MJORDAN: "Oh shut up the sarcasm"
Oh, shut up the stupidity.......life has changed drastically "over the decades." You know dam* well, this is simply a means to get illegals in the booth to vote for the false messiah...If I need an ID to buy bullets (to keep illegals off my property) or a beer, I think an ID for the most important thing a CITIZEN can do (that would be vote) is not asking too much.
As dem' dems say: Don't forget to vote and vote often.
You're all a bunch of sycophantic o'blemmings. "I pity the fool."
And I pity the ignorant.
Data please? or are you too weak to do any research? You've got nothing but noise...
rebelwithcause::: WHO is the guy you mention? Never heard of him.
Thinking Citizen,
Thank you for trying! Reality Check, Dave, Rebel and others just don't get it....Dave asks how hard it would be to take your own grandmother to get the ID without thinking about about the number of elderly living in other cities, retirment communities, etc without family around to take them to get the ID (without taking in to account physical ability to go, stand in line, family to take time out of the work day, etc)
These "conservatives" live in an incredibly simplistic country where 305 million people have nothing better to do than wait around in line all day because of "burdensome voter killing regulations".
They cite buying alcohol or using their debit card with an ID as an argument for using your ID to vote, but I don't recall those things as being constitutionally granted rights!
They will never be able to provide you with any real data proving significant voter fraud because it doesn't exist...you need only to read further in to their posts to see the underlying bigotry on which their beliefs in voter ID requirements are built (Ie. "i don't hear of minorities or the elderly dying because they can't obtain meds" or "if you needed two pieces of ID to get entitlements it wouldn't be a problem" vague references to illegals and benefits etc etc)
Doesn't this imply that our gun laws that require citizens to show ID are racist as well?
Why is every argument against voter ID so condescending? This is an admission that you believe minorities are poor and incapable of the simple task of obtaining identification.
There are 31 states with laws on the books regarding voter ID. The states that don't have laws are in the minority.
Interesting. Too bad the report didn't have raw numbers. The problem is, even though a group is more statsitically unlikely to have ID doesn't mean that the law is unfavorable to them.
That could mean 10% of whites don't have ID and 22% of hispanics don't have IDs.
When running the raw numbers based off census data the above stats would mean that 1,314,051 whites wouldn't have ID. If you looked at all non-whites at 22% without ID you would have 1,215,497.
Gee, non-whites are more likely to not have ID as a percentage. As a whole more whites don't have ID.
Dang those Texans for requiring all those white folks to get ID to vote. How racist.
Why isn't the left's money and attention spent on busing minorities to get ID's instead of fighting against laws that are on the books in some form in 31 states?
Wouldn't it do more to empower the minority and elderly community to set up programs to assist them in getting ID's? There isn't much that can be done without ID, including gainful employment. Why isn't the left focusing on getting these people identification so they can contribute and participate in their society?
Nope, not entirely true. Just today, a Wisconsin judge (the second to do so) ruled the Wisconsin Voter ID law as violating the Wisconsin State Constitution and placed an injunction on implementing it.
Are you saying that there aren't any "white" people that would be voting Democratic? These new voter ID are in place to keep people from voting Democratic this election year, be they White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, young or old. Ask yourself, why now? There hasn't been any measurable voter fraud all these years..that's BS.
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/
Now why would the Justice Department take a stand about voter ID? Everyone knows that $60 can purchase a drivers license, ss card with number and a voter registration on most street corners!
It is interesting though, how this is a more important issue than having Holder fess up to the gun sales issue on the border.
The only thing this does is allow obama to have some of his cronies to round up some illegals to vote. We all know that. He couldnt win with a real vote. All these elderly people can t pick up a prescription and the young have DL;s. It a bs move.
Yeah, you're right Jolly. Seems those dead folks in Chicago vote with frequency. It would be interesting to hear voices prior to signing the voter role to see who can speak English or not.
Wait, the Justice Department blocked enforcement of the voter identification law, contending that it would have a discriminatory impact on Latino voters.
The president didn't have anything to do with it. I thought conservatives where pro-justice. I see the underlying problem, discrimination. Although they are pro justice for one they aren't for all.
Now, if those Latinos where white...
The Supreme Court has already ruled that voter-id requirements are valid. This is merely the Obama Administration trying to impose their biased requirements on some Southern States that were the subject of the Civil Rights Act.
Perhaps it's time to discard thpose antiquated civil rights rules.
Bosslimo "Wait, the Justice Department blocked enforcement of the voter identification law, contending that it would have a discriminatory impact on Latino voters....The president didn't have anything to do with it.............Now, if those Latinos where white..."
Thanks for my daily laugh - Do you REALLY think this was not approved by Obama? If so, I have some swamp (er-'Waterfront') property to sell you - sight unseen.
PS - Most Latinos classify themselves as 'White'.
Lately there has been voter fraud...all Republicans. You will have to google. But, I believe Indiana is only one place a Republican voted illegally. I won't do your homework for you anymore than I would do my grandchildren's homework. google is your friend.
What a moronic statement.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/DriverLicense/dlfees.htm
$6 for an id that has no expiration date for residents 60 years or older
$16 for under 60 years old which expires after 6 years.
seem reasonable. perhaps there would have been more recorded voter fraud if they had a way of knowing who was voting.
Gault 2012
Have anyone here tried to get one in Nevada it takes hours just to reach the counter, if it ain't broke no need to fix it .... The country has voted decades without that BS, just because your party can't win you want to change the rules, it just shows that you are all a bunch of cry babies ...
How can anyone say there hasn't been any measurable record of voter fraud when it hasn't been really studied? That's just as dumb as the people who say illegal aliens help the economy in the states where they want to know how many students are illegal aliens, or children of them so they can determine the costs to the state taxpayers, but the feds say it's discriminatory and the taxpayers do not have the right to know how much it's costing them!
Anything that insures the integrity of the election process should be welcomed by all citizens. It's the only way we have of expressing our approval, or disapproval of what our government does for us, and to us.
But it seems the present administration is guarding that as well as it's guarding our border from drug cartels, and human traffickers! With signs 60 miles inside our side of the border warning citizens that armed, and dangerous drug cartels, and human traffickers frequent those areas!
There has been no measurable record of voter fraud! We have had ways to track this for years! Why is it that all of a sudden this is a problem, Why was it not last year? Why was it not the year before? We all know why this is all of a sudden a big issue!!!!!!
The Supreme Court has already faced this issue and decided that states DO have the right to require voter identification.
This is merely Obama playing politics in an election year using his stooge Eric Holder to try and intimidate yet another state. But then again, the blatant intimidation by the Black Panthers a few years back was given a pass !
Instead of working WITH the states in this country, Obama chooses to run roughshod and sue any and every state that tries to protect itself. Obama will do ANYTHING AT ALL ... to maintain his power !
Yes, and all the states already require voter ID, and the system in place works. Voter fraud has a rate of .0002%.
This is about increasing the standards for said ID's.
So the question, that not one, single person has been able to answer is, why increase the difficulty of obtaining voter ID's, when the rate of voter fraud is negligable? Especially when you're looking at disenfranchizing up to 5 million people.
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/truthaboutvoterfraud/
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/section/category/allegations_of_voter_fraud/
Well lets see...
You need a photo ID to fly.
You need a photo ID to rent a car.
You need a photo ID to rent a hotel room.
You need a photo ID to buy alcohol.
You need a photo ID to buy cigarettes.
You need a photo ID to buy a gun.
You need a photo ID to be a Little League volunteer.
You need a photo ID to open an account at Block Buster.
But a photo ID to vote, now that is crossing the line. Even though Holder knows this bogus attempt to stop ID's in Texas will be over turned in court, that will not happen until after the election, and that is the only motivation by the DOJ.
Flying isn't a protected right.
Renting a car isn't a protected right.
Renting a hotel room isn't a protected right.
Buying alcohol isn't a protected right.
Buying cigarettes isn't a protected right.
Volunteering for little league isn't a protected right.
Opening a Blockbuster account isn't a protected right.
Guns get trickier, the state can ask for ID when you purchase a gun because it has a reason that passes strict scrutiny. The state has a compelling interest in knowing who's buying lethal weapons. Just like they have a compelling interest in requiring voter ID's, WHICH THEY ALREADY DO.
So why make those ID's harder to get when the rate of voter fraud is negligable???
Perhaps, some of the liberals trying desperately to marginalize should look up the ACORN voter fraud cause in Nevada (voter registration fraud) that was decided in August, 2011. Has selective amnesia hit again ? ACORN was paying extra money for achieved goals.
Saw TX State AG on tv last night. What MSN conveniently left out is this. If a person has registered to vote, they are given a voter ID card. They can take that ID card to DVM and the State of TX will GIVE them a photo ID for FREE ! And, I'm sure if somebody didn't have a ride, the local Dems would be glad to get them to DMV. Further, if they don't have ID on voting day in TX, they can cast a provisional ballot and come back later with the ID. I believe TX is doing everything they can to make this as easy as possible for people to vote.
Frankly, this is a bogus bunch of hooey. Who in today's society doesn't have a photo ID of some type? I truly feel the Dems are fighting this because they do, in fact, round up people to vote whether they're legal or not. And, how many times have we heard of dead people voting? Could it be Dems are challenging TX and not other states because of the large illegal Hispanic population in the state? Don't want to lose those ILLEGAL votes.
Otherwise, I don't know why anybody is against verifying the identity of voters. Don't you wont the process to be done right and in a fair manner? Or, is it just another symptom of a society that accepts sloppy and doesn't demand excellence. Just another step on the way to becoming like a third world country which they REPEATEDLY have voter fraud.
It does make a difference. Look at the Iowa caucuses that were decided by EIGHT votes. Even if voter fraud is very low, EIGHT illegal votes could have made the difference.
It is PRIVILEGE not a right to vote. If you want to exercise your privilege, then follow the rules.
Um, no, it's a right...
Check out the 15th Amendment, the 24th Amendment, and Article VI; Sec III of the U.S. Constitution. Then, you might also want to check out the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
And, about 5 million people don't have it...
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/truthaboutvoterfraud/
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/section/category/allegations_of_voter_fraud/
And, you also didn't answer the question...
Yes, and all the states already require voter ID, and the system in place works. Voter fraud has a rate of .0002%.
This is about increasing the standards for said ID's.
So the question, that not one, single person has been able to answer is, why increase the difficulty of obtaining voter ID's, when the rate of voter fraud is negligable? Especially when you're looking at disenfranchizing up to 5 million people.
The root of the matter is this: there is not a man or woman in this country who cannot find 30 minutes and $5 or $10 for a State ID card so they can vote legally. I care not not about their station in life anyone can afford that. A drunk living on the street in an alcove can afford that.
In addition, provisional ballots are available to those who do not show an ID that do allow them to vote - but they are required to get the necessary ID to validate their ballot.
No one is trying to restrict the right to vote by requiring a photo ID. They are making sure the sanctity of one man, one vote remains intact.
No more and no less and it is inarguable.
There are about 5 million people who can't do that Reb...
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/truthaboutvoterfraud/
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/section/category/allegations_of_voter_fraud/
And the root of the matter is in the question you can't answer...
So the question, that not one, single person has been able to answer is, why increase the difficulty of obtaining voter ID's, when the rate of voter fraud is negligable? Especially when you're looking at disenfranchizing up to 5 million people.
Why are you picking this battle?
With us being broke and so much else going on, why choose now, to fight a non-existant fight?
Why now, when our voting system has been in place for decades and that system has kept fraud at a rate of .0002% (negligable to non-existant), would you choose to throw so much resources, time, and money into a non-issue?
Sarah - you keep referencing voter fraud - guilty conscience? This is about knowing whom is voting with certainty. And there is no excuse, not a one, for anyone not having a photo ID if they want to vote.
It's common sense - something liberals mostly do not have. They are booksmart but have no common sense. Kind of people who throw away their shoes and buy a new pair when they break a shoelace. You follow?
Sarah, again, this is about protecting the sanctity of one man, one vote. There is no reasoned argument that can be made against requiring a photo ID when they are so cheap to get and available to all.
On another matter history makes it clear there has been voter fraud on the fed. level the past 100 years. Let's start with "Landslide" Lyndon Johnson in his U.S. Senate run in '48 when he stole the election from former TX Gov. Coke Stephenson.
We have Kennedy in '60 thanks to Mayor Daley and allegedly some mobsters. Daley delivered Cook County, and the State of IL, to Kennedy and the presidency.
We have ACORN in 2008.
What do all these points of matter have in common? They involve Democrats. Do you understand why Republicans prefer to err on the side of caution?
Name a Republican on the fed. level ever accused of trying to steal an election the past 100 years and I'll change my position on this matter. You cannot. And don't mention Bush in 2000. Al Gore filed the frivolous lawsuit based upon a manufactured punch card crisis that existed to only a very few morons. He is the one who tried to steal that election by way of the Courts.
Reb,
Because "voter fraud" is the reason being given for these laws being passed. Voter fraud has a rate of .0002%. Which means it basically doesn't exist.
Please, answer the questions before streaming off into crazy conspiracy, "I hate liberals" land...
So the question, that not one, single person has been able to answer is, why increase the difficulty of obtaining voter ID's, when the rate of voter fraud is negligable? Especially when you're looking at disenfranchizing up to 5 million people.
Why are you picking this battle?
With us being broke and so much else going on, why choose now, to fight a non-existant fight?
Why now, when our voting system has been in place for decades and that system has kept fraud at a rate of .0002% (negligable to non-existant), would you choose to throw so much resources, time, and money into a non-issue?
This isn't about specific politicians or history. In order to pass a law infringing on a civil right (i.e. the disenfranchizment of 5 million people) you need a reason that passes strict scrutiny. What's your reason when our elections have a negligable rate of fraud?
Your whole point is that Democrats have warpped the elections, but if that's so, why is the rate of voter fraud only at .0002%. That's not even high enough to make a difference.
Come on, why aren't you answering the questions???
Firstly, our gov. being broke has nothing to do with this matter.
Secondly, your links to the liberal profs at NYU School of Law are meaningless and firmly biased and do not speak to the issue at hand - protecting the rights of all to know without question one man, one vote is not trampled upon. That, regardless of how the mainstream liberal media wants to identify it, is in fact the root of the matter. To deflect that as an attempt to disenfranchise voters is no more than sanctimonius piety and absurd.
Thirdly, this is not a fight, as you like to say. Your choice of adjectives betrays liberals who procliam to be peaceful as the real haters in this country. It is about the States' Rights and requiring strict adherence of knowing who the one man or woamn is that wants to vote.
Lastly, simply because, and I'll take your word for it, there is little actual proven fraud it does not mean there is more that has gone unnoticed. Only one with their head in the sand would take a percentage of proven fraud and apply it as proof it is all the fraud that has occurred in past elections.
Except that we're wasting money dealing with it.
Typical response from the willfully ignorant conspiracy theorist. The rest of the world sees this study as non-partisan. The only people who DON'T see it as unbiased, are the ones who's views it doesn't support. Hmmmm? Can you prove your accusations of bias?
Yes, and there could be a lot of defamation that goes unnoticed, should we shut down Newsvine? There could be a lot of murders that go undetected, should we start enacting curfews? Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? You need to retake civics 101.
They already do. We already have voter ID cards. They work. Hence the low rate of fraud.
Than why aren't the states capitualting? They're fighting the Federal government about. Wasting your tax money.
So, basically, you CAN'T answer any of those questions. How's the tin foil hat treating you these days?
Because you are doing nothing but parsing, Sarah. You are running around in circles without accepting the main issue. Protecting the sanctity of one man one vote by reuiring a photo ID.
A voter registration card in most states does not require a photo. They are cards without a photo. That is the case now in TX and they want their voter cards to be photo compliant and in lieu of that require a State ID or driver's license.
Last, the DOJ and AG Eric Holder are wasting the money Sarah. They brought this lawsuit at taxpayer expense needlessly. It is not the other way around.
Can someone explain this to me : So this dude goes to the voting station and says his name is Frank Smith. He enters his name as Frank Smith and votes. Then he goes to another voting station and says his name is Franco Zefirelli and votes. Then he goes to yet another one and says his name is Franz Schmidt and he votes. And on and on, who is to know that he voted already and who he really is ?Who is to know if he is a citizen or a convict or an ilegal ?
How can an election be valid under those circumstances ? WHY VOTE AT ALL !!!!!??????
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/13/OKeefe%20Video%20Exposes%20Voter%20Fraud-Friendly%20Policies%20in%20Vermont
I totally agree with Texas on this one. I have to show ID to buy medicine yet I don't hear of minoroties or the elderly dying because they cannot obtain medications. This requirement really just isn't all that much to ask...
Show me any actual voter fraud that requires this level of disenfranchisement of minority voters and I'll agree!
Thinking Citizen,
When are you Far Left doorknobs going to grow up and start looking at the real problems facing this Nation. I read your dopey posts in disbelief. "Show me any actual voter fraud that requires this level of disenfranchisement of minority voters"? Hello? Anyone home? We all have to show ID for numerous things in our life. You want to talk about "voter fraud", well how about minority Social Security fraud, tax ID fraud, drivers license fraud, all being committed every second in this Country, by illegals? Hey they can obain those documents any time they want to, so why does it upset you so that they comply like everyone else in this Country does? Or is that disenfranchisement, too. You've got to take off those rose colored glasses and grow up.
Dave, I'm not a "far left doorknob" I'm actually a conservative who beleives in the constitution and rule of law. I'm also all about equal rights.
As I said, show me data, not empty rhetoric. I don't think you can do it.
I think perhaps you are not qualified to even be called "right wing" and maybe you are just an ignorant nut job.
I'm an Independant, if it were any of your business. I'm just sick of your crap.
You want equal rights, all right,....for fraudulent voters and illegals.
If you are sick of the "Crap" that is the constitution, I invite you to move out of my country!
Do some research, show me data. You've got nothing but your empty angry rhetoric.
Show me the fraudulent voter and illegals data! I dare you! I double dog dare you!
You can't do it. Your argument is so full of holes it just won't float!
Also it's "independent"
do you see the little box with an abc and check mark? Try it sometime, it will help with your home schooled spelling detriments.
Bush's own dept of justice said that the voter fraud percent was .00003. It's been Republicans who have pushed these laws. Why? Because they are crapping their pant(ies) trying to stop the people who voted Democrats during the last Presidential election from doing so again. This is a solution in search of a problem. As things stand right now, 5 million people won't be able to vote this election. It's despicable and cowardly of those bastards...if you can't win by the usual means, then change the rules so that you can.
It does seem a bit silly to spend taxpayers dollars to correct a non existent problem, especially from the (not) fiscal conservative (not) small government (not) conservatives that now have control of the GOP.
Take back your party! quit buying the lies!
Thinking Citizen,
In response to your post 2.5, I would caution you on criticizing typo's. Now I know you are a Far Left doorknob. You, by the way, have left a trail of your own, typo's that is. I thought these post were to express views and opinions, not spell check.
Your comment "I double dog dare you", really shows your mentality.
Maybe you really should.....grow up.
Why do we have to spend taxpayer dollars? If citizens such as yourself truly cared about the poor and minorities you would be leading a charge to get them IDs. We can organize voter registration drives with 1,000's of volunteers. We can organize get out the vote efforts that round people up in vans and drive them to a polling place, but cannot do the same to get them to the DMV to get ID? That is absurd.
If everyone spending all their energy and money fighting these laws would spend half as much getting these people IDs, there wouldn't be an issue of people not having ID if they wanted it.
I guess conservatives are changing their policies again. They used to be pro rights but here they are defending the supression to vote.
So far, they are against the right to abortions, contraceptives, collective bargaining, gay marriage, and now voting.
For a political party that boasts defending rights, they work awefully hard in supressing them.
People have voted for decades without photo id. Less then 1 percent of these votes are ever frauds, yet the hard right would disenfranchise 50 percent of the electorate to stop the 1 percent. I see only those who agree with the hard right get to vote. We can't have health reform because of death panels or so the GOP claims, the same GOP is willing to throw Grandma under the bus because a small minority abuse the right to vote. GOP over reach at its worst.
Wade,
For many years I have been voting and every time I go I am asked for a photo ID. This is nothing new, it is not discriminatory and it is expected to prove that I am the person voting who is on their registered list.
I voted THIS MORNING in fact .... and was asked for a photo ID. Producing my driver's license, which also had my address cross-checked to their list .... not a problem !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This doesn't have a damn thing to do with grandma so save your theatrics for Hollywood where libtards are appreciated. By the way, the Supreme Court has already decided this issue so Holder is playing politics.
Holder is on record for stating that he can KILL someone without due process if he or Obama deem them a 'terrorist.' Holder is on record for stating that he can't go after 'his people' for voter fraud or voter rights impingements. Holder is on record for denying and obfuscating any attempt to investigate his actions in 'Fast and Furious' and there are hearings on record where members of the DOJ stated emphatically that there was a definite double standard when it came to the DOJ prosecuting 'white on black' crimes...seems Holder's people are not prosecuted for commiting crimes, since, well, they're 'his people.' So criminals are exempt from the law unless, of course, they're white.
Now, according to the anti-ID crowd, it's harassment and prejudice for a 'minority' to have to show some form of freely available, state issued voter ID. Guess those same people are harassed endlessly when they go to buy cigarettes or booze or medicine since all of those activities require a photo ID. They shouldn't have to do what the rest of the populace is required to do. As one other poster mentioned, why aren't the 'GET OUT AND VOTE' crowd, the one's dragging voters to the polls also doing their best to insure that the free state ID's are made available to those 'disenfranchised' persons.
According to them, voting should be as easy as buying a McDonald's Happy Meal. Just go up and place your order, we don't really care if you're an american citizen, just vote the straight democratic ticket and we'll get you a Happy Meal and a pack of cigarettes and toss in a dollar or two. Hell, go vote several times, who would know the difference?
I hear a lot of pundits on this but they are all from the northern urban areas of the state or Houston. In the border areas almost everybody latinos included have either a drivers license, an ID card or a neat laminated wallet size certified birth certificate. When you live in an area where it is legal for the border patrol to question anyone about their legal status you carry something even this blonde token Anglo has been questioned twice? You also can't go to Corpus or San Antonio without going through BP checkpoints. The conversation goes like this Are you a US citizen... Yes sir... Where were you born....Milwaukee.... Do you have ID ....Yes sir here. All the while the nice doggie is walking around your vehicle sniffing.
You want evidence of voter fraud? What a dumb---. Heres one for you----ACORN. And what happened when the feds began to investigate them? Oh yeah now you remember, Uh HUH The reciptents of the benifits from the fraud decided to shut them down in exchange for a pass on the investigation. Do the research Stupid!
Acorn was setup Jim, no GOP idiot. You have compelling evidence it was not, post it for everyone to read.
Calling people stupid and idiots without provocation are the tactics of bullies Jim. When I was younger I would have done more then say what I did. The point is you CANNOT intimidate me Jim, don't even try. I do my own research, and post it online when appropriate. It is YOUR job to do research to support your position not mine. Post sources that support your position, or STFU.
Wade, Tampa Florida.
it's actually like 3 fraudulent votes in 1,000,000,000.
Bill B-1347835
This is not about asking for IDs as much as the Republicans deciding which IDs they will accept. Student IDs not accepted by many so that make it harder for college students to vote - why target student? I'll let you answer that yourself.
In some states, a Veterans ID card wouldn't be sufficient photo ID to vote.
The Bush administration launched a multi-year investigation into voter fraud but found no evidence that it is a pervasive or serious problem.
Almost all of the Republican photo ID mandates make it more difficult for students to vote:
In Texas, you can vote with a gun license but not a student ID.
South Carolina and Tennessee expressly prohibit the use of student IDs.
Wisconsin allows student IDs but has strict qualifications that no university ID in the state currently meets.
So again, this is not about preventing fraud (fraud that not one Republican can prove) - this is about eliminating competition. If you think oerwise Nill B, you are very naive.
There is no voter fraud. End of discussion.
The Texas law is almost exactly the same as the Indiana law which SCOTUS has upheld. If you are poor you will get a FREE ID if you are 70+ years old you will not need one. If you forget your ID on election day you will get a provisional ballot which will be counted if you show ID to the election commisioner in your county within 6 days. So no cost to those who can't afford it no hardship for old people and not having one on election day doesn't stop you from voting.Whats the problem?
Now this is Funny!
The DOJ blocks ID for voting but requires all who enter a federal building to prove their ID with a Government ID
What TWITS!
Yep, and I needed Military ID to get on to Hickam AFB, but my voter registration was always good enough to vote.
Show me any case of significant fraud.
So you don't have any issue meeting the proper ID requirements. Why do you think so little of minorities that they couldn't obtain Identification? Permanent underclass right. How is a poor person ever going to lift themselves out of poverty without ID of some sort?
Show me any case of someone in Texas not being able to get ID prior to the next election. Then if you find that person, help them get an ID! Consider it a good deed on helping pull someone out of poverty.
The law "is amply justified by the valid interest in protecting 'the integrity and reliability of the electoral process,'" Justice John Paul Stevens (2008)
What level of voter nullification do you find acceptable?
The feds do not feel they have to follow their own directives. Try getting into the SS office without ID. The other thing I heard from a Houston gentleman was gee there are no DPS locations in 81 Texas counties it is such an imposition you have to drive so far. How do all those 16 yr olds get their licenses? They go to the satelite Driver License set ups in local police stations where the examiner sets up in the morning does written exams and ID cards in the morning and road tests by appointment in the afternoon. They don't do that in Houston but anybody talking like they know something could find out where one will be on the DPS website.
I cannot buy a bottle of water with my debit card without id. What's the difference? It's is all legal transactions, isn't it? Shouldn't one have id anyway? If you do not drive a car then there is just an ID card you can get with the state. What's the big deal? Oh, if you are illegal and caught and sent back where you came from then it is a problem. But you want to vote anyway even if this is not your country? That really is not how the forefathers meant freedom to be. You file your paperwork, claim your country and do it correctly. And I am not picking on just one country but all of them.
Your debit card requires a PIN, no ID needed, try again.
Show me any documented fraud that would change an elections outcome.
Now you understand why Cowboy Ricky has been so adamant about states' rights. This has been a code word for selective adherence to the Constitution and rule by the majority in the South for over a century.
"Don't need them durn Feds looking over our shoulders fussing about someone's civil rights. Heck, we treat all our brothers nice around here."
Nobody had ever heard of any voting problems around here until this popped up in the spring, when Ricky was organizing his POTUS credentials.
What inconsiderate grandchild wouldn't help their grandmother out in this situation?
I would hate to see what would happen if she asked you for a lift to the grocery store.
I'm guessing the same ones that want to privatize Medicare and give her a coupon?
Ok...thinking citizen...
Show me how you prevent someone that isn't registered to vote from voting? Where is the check to verify? Just because there have been no verifable proof doesn't mean that it doesn't happen...
I might add the Supreme Court majority opinion written by John Paul Stevens on the Indiana ID law back in 2008 stated that those challenging the law had “not introduced evidence of a single, individual Indiana resident who will be unable to vote as a result of the law.”
The burden of proof isn't on potential fraud. It is on those who are supposedly to be disenfranchised. Why is the Democratic Party the only voice speaking out against these laws? Can't they march out just 1 poor person or minority to say that they can't get ID? The problem is, they can't find one.
Ooops! I found one!
During the Indiana Voter ID case the League of Women Voters cited cases of women who were disenfranchised due to the new law. A newspaper interviewed one of the women, and found out why. She tried to use a Florida driver's license to vote in Indiana! She was also registered to vote in Florida where she owned a second home. She also had claimed tax breaks in Florida by establishing residency there. That dang Indiana Law keeping Florida residents from voting in their elections!
I can't cash a check at my bank where I have been a member since 1977 without both my DL and my debit card.
If you are out of state it may require an ID.
Come on Holder, if "legal" hispanic's are too lazy to obtain two pieces of ID, they shouldn't be voting.
...and yet, if they need two pieces of ID to get entitlement benefits, you know that won't be a problem.
Give us all a break and resign. We need someone that is looking out for America's interest, for a change.
The poor and elderly are not "Lazy" if they are not able to afford the ID, or get to the places miles away during office hours because they are working 2 jobs. Also, why is an NRA card OK, but state issued college ID not.
Again, show me ACTUAL fraud, not just speculative silliness!
They all stick together, don't they?
Stop the lies. The approved ID's are listed below. Notice the "License to carry a concealed handgun issued by the Dept. of Public Safety". That would be a state issued card, not from the NRA. Also, how many out of state students attend State Universities and get ID's? Now how many out of state students establish residency and get a driver's license?
Now maybe you should argue that the gun laws are preventing minorities from getting concealed handgun permits...
See case from Troy, NY that was going on in January, 2012. Hope that's recent enough. A city clerk and a councilman, and two Democratic political operatives, pled guilty to forging absentee-ballot signatures and casting fraudulent ballots in 2009.
Anthony DeFiglio (one of those who pled guilty, told investigators “that faking absentee ballots was a commonplace and accepted practice in political circles, all intended to swing an election.” He also added “The people who are targeted live in low-income housing, and there is a sense that they are a lot less likely to ask any questions.”
Weird that you didn't read about this case on MSNBC? Troy's newspaper "The Troy Record" did a great job of covering the trial surrounding this ordeal. I wonder why on earth MSNBC or the NYT wouldn't cover such a story? It couldn't be that they have been consistently pushing the narrative that voter fraud doesn't exist.
Didn't say it didn't exist, just saying that it isn't significant enough to warrant this gross overreach to disenfranchise LEGAL voters.
Show me a case where voter fraud actually did sway an election! There is significant data in fraudulent disenfranchisement, but not so much that would make any of this wasted taxpayers money laws mean anything, other than swaying the vote in a different direction...
All the colleges and universities I know of issue photo school ID which cannot be used. I am not aware that certificate of citizenship or some of the others you mention have these photos on them. I saw a REPUBLICAN in one state senate, get up the push the button for two absent members. The rules were that only the member present could vote on the issue. He looked like a flipping deer in the headlights when he looked up and saw that someone was catching it all on camera. I believe I read about another Republican that was casting votes in two different states. Voter fraud and ID were NEVER an issue until the Republicans think they might not be able to "take our country back" if they don't stack the deck in their favor.
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/
You said:
That appears to be an open invitation to point out a case of ACTUAL fraud. You were trying imply that it didn't exist by challenging anyone to come up with one case, which I did. If your actual belief is that it isn't widespread, then why ask for ACTUAL fraud? You were hoping no one would respond and that you comment would go unchecked. This would lead people to believe that no one could find actual cases of voter fraud. I believe the term is "moving the goalpost" and I am not playing.
At what level of fraud does this become an issue large enough for you to take note of?
In 2004 Christine Gregoire defeated Dino Rossi for Governor in Washington by 133 votes on the 3rd recount. Rossi won the first 2 recounts. Could "a few" votes have swayed this election?
How about NH, 1974. Louis Wyman beat John Durkin by 2 votes. Is 2 votes too much fraud? Evidently in NH it is. The US Senate required a revote and Durkin lost.
What about Alaska District 7 in 2008. Mike Kelley defeats Karl Kassel by 1 vote after a recount.
I'm missing your point.
How is absentee ballots relating to hispanic votes? It's two entirely different crimes.
Are you actually saying that if Latinos had valid I.D.s then the absentee ballots wouldn't have been abused?
Ok, I've totally missed the voter fraud here, who was arrested in the voter fraud for these examples?
You seem to be saying that if you're hispanic, then it is automatically understood that you're not american. What other nationalities do you feel are not truly american? Who are the true americans (in your opinion). I vote to keep monitoring Texas voting rights and states like Texas. I have a driver's license and I still believe Republicans are looking for a way to get and keep the upper hand.
granny,
It's not an issue to be voted upon. The Supreme Court has previously decided states have a right to require voter identification. They left that power for the states to decide. This is not a popularity contest, it is simply Obama's henchman playing politics.
I am simply pointing out that individual votes do matter. Those opposed to voter ID say that there isn't a level of fraud sufficient enough to need laws protecting legal voters. I didn't ask for you to prove that fraud didn't happen during those elections.
I simply pointed out that a few cases of fraud going undetected could have had significant impacts on those elections.
You could also point out that someone unable to obtain an ID would also not be able to vote in those elections and impact them.
The problem is, no one is pointing out those individuals who are either too poor or too dumb to obtain identification. They are this mythical large group of voters who lack identification and the ability to obtain it.
I am not against showing an I.D. of some form or fashion. I am opposed to government telling me I must pay them money to get one.
I have a birth certificate- not good enough.
I have a social security card- not good enough.
I have a military I.D.- not good enough.
Instead, I must purchase an I.D. from my state so that the state can make money off of my vote.
"Freely given" is a falsehood. Nothing is free. Every state charges for I.D.s and they expire in four years. You must renew or lose them. In the state of Kentucky, I must purchase an I.D. to vote.
Is that sinking in? You see, I'm told we need less government by the same people defending laws that force government on me.
Thinking citizen I dare you to live within 25 miles of the mexican border without ID. You must be able to prove when asked that you are a legal resident, that everone in your car including grandma and the toddler in the car seat is a legal resident Or you might find yourself without a car.
Thinkingcitizen how do you disenfranchise someone by giving them a FREE ID if neccesary. Or not requiring someone over 70 to even get one. Those are the people who like my uncle didn't have a birth certificate. Or giving them a provisional ballot if they forget their ID on election day.
Fraud isn't done by voters, rather, it's done by officials in charge of voting, and voting machines with no paper trail.
Show me any actually significant voter fraud! I challenge you!
That's why the BLACK Panthers are VITAL to the voting process...
Just noise, no data. I didn't think you could do it.
Seriously, try, just try to come up with any data to support your frivolity. I'll concede that you are right if you can.
If you can't, I'll just call you the sphinter collared person that you are making yourself out to be.
What a moron video footage and eyewitness accounts of the black panthers trying to intimadate elder voters.
Bush and Gore in Florida.
Let's see .... didn't a federal judge in Nevada find voter registration fraud by ACORN ? Wasn't there some convictions from this ?? Of course, unthinking citizens would be in denial even if the article bit them in the gluteus maximus !
jim-1455434
Nice, you found that ACORN had questionable votes. How does that relate to Latinos needing to purchase a photo I.D.?
Once again, its the two-faced ideology. No big government! We don't want to have government forcing us to buy anything! And yet, here we are, advocating people to pay for a state issued photo I.D.
Go figure.
Thinking citizen when a county counts more ballots than they printed don't you think there might be a problem. It has happened.
Bosslimo they can get one for FREE read the law not the rhetoric.
Texas has been down this road before that's why they have to get pre-approval from the Justice Department to change their voter law. They can't be trusted to uphold voters rights. Texas needs a Federal baby sitter because they are not adult enough to act on their own. Perry himself being a prime example.
James
Don't forget the Texas GOP legislature could not resist the urge to overreach in the redistricting process and also ended up in Federal Court.
We need to figure out how to put the cookies on a higher shelf.
Does give a more clear picture as to why Ricky was an instant favorite of the Tea Party. He was gonna shred the Constitution for them.
I agree.
Yeah James and you people do it so well that the local election primary is now one week after everybodies terms of office run out. Thank you for your swift and complete care for us poor stupid Texans.
Why if us Texans are so discriminatory has the same law almost word for word been held up by SCOTUS in Indiana? I know you carpetbaggers will never let the civil war die.
GOOD!!! The ONLY reason these voter ID laws exist is to suppress the Democrat vote! The ONLY voters who would have trouble getting a state ID would be the poor minority voters who vote Democrat in droves! That is their only hope of winning in Nov; however, it's looking more and more like a lost hope!
You are right, because the way for the poor and minorities to improve their lot in life is to continue on with no ID. I mean, it's not like you need an ID to do anything else in society, am I right? Why would we want them to have additional incentive to get an ID so that they could get a job? Why would they want an ID so that they can get medical treatment at most hospitals? That is crazy.
Yes, you are "right" if you have to cheat to win, it makes you so much more better. You are awesome, you make me proud. Your empty headed rhetoric makes so much sense, even if it lack logic or proof.
I think you look really great with that sphincter collar! Please, keep wearing it!
Followed by this:
Classy. I am still baffled on the cheating comment.
Tom,
Here is how it works, the Govenor of Texas ( who doesn't want poor folk to vote) appoints a
Director of Voter ID. The new Director is of course a bumbling idiot with an IQ
of about 72. The new Director appoints his favorite Golf Buddies to important
positions within the new department. They all diddly duck around for several
months, have important Department formation meetings in the Bahamas, excursions
to famous Golf Capitals of the World , etc. Then low and behold they finally
submit a design for their new voter ID card to the Govenors favorite Senate
Sub-Committee. They of course reject it and send it back for redesign. The Voter
ID Department spends several more months in various meetings and getting
themselves set up. Meanwhile the election comes and goes with no new
voter ID cards issued cutting out anyone not presently in possession of a valid
state drivers license. Since poor people don't own cars they don't drive, since
they don't drive they can't vote.
So, Tom in NH, you are saying that only the Democratics commit voter fraud ?
Vote early, vote often .... vote from the grave, "deliver" Cook County for John F Kennedy so he could beat Richard Nixon !
Wow ! Presenting picture ID is a normal part of everyday life. Libbies are intentionally distorting the hell out of this issue. The Supreme Court has already spoken. Obama is looking to sidestep the answer.
Tom where I live 80% of voters in either party are latino. I always vote for the latino of my choice because everybody running is latino. And we almost all have ID cards because we live within 25 miles of the border and can be questioned at any time legally by the BP on our residency status, even this token Anglo. So if we can have IDs so can everybody else
First of all, the State has offered the voter id's at NO COST to the legal voter. Who can't come up with at least two forms of ID? Secondly, Instead of our current bleeder oh excuse me ----leader giving the free cell phones why not give them ID'S? Our current President wants to spend our way to hell. And the Libbies love it! Free What this week? Tax payers get the burden, Tax payers should have the say. Citizenship has never been the issue here. It's my money, I want to decide who and what it is spent on. I don't want any illegal immigrant or unlegal voter making decisions for me or my money. Send me YOUR checkbook so that you too can experience the NEW American way of life. Hell, their all entitled aren't they? Barack says they are.........
No cost Jim, even if you are correct, there is the cost of time, something very dear to a poor family working 2 jobs, and the cost of transportation which can be an issue if the family does not have a car. Lastly Texas may not change the voting registration without prior approval from the federal government. A simple majority wanting this change is NOT enough, this requires federal approval.The time to challenge the citizenship of any voter is when they apply. Not on election day.
You decide how your non tax dollars are spent. And its the GOP who wants every one except the top 1 percent to foot the bills for everything. Give the rich a free ride. If you are part of the 1 percent I won't be happy until you are paying 50 percent income tax.
Wade I wouldn't mind you babysitting us if 1) you didn't hold us to higher standards than the state of Indiana which already has this law almost word for word approved by SCOTUS and 2) you did the job expeditiously and fairly.so that we don't have terms of office running out before you allow us to hold the election to fill them. I have been waiting since the 1st week in November for a voters registration card I will (cross my fingers) hopefully get one by the end of April so that I may vote in May (cross my fingers) in an election that should have been held March 6th.
Seems a simple request. Show an I.D. to prove you are who you say you are.
If I want to buy a can of spray paint, some sudaphed for my cold, some ammunition, cigarrettes, liquor. Rent a room, get on a plane, charge anything on my Visa, cash a check, make a bank transaction.
How do you function in this world without a photo I.D.?? (Unless your trying to hide)
My 79 year old mom does just fine thank you, she can't drive, doesn't buy liquor, and has no need for any ID anymore. Good thing she's been a registered voter her entire adult life and votes by mail. In Texas though, she'd have to go by taxi to the office to get an "official" ID
Try again, and once again, show me the data to back up the need for such laws!
You can't do it!
Thinking Citizen::: Not only would she have to go by taxi, she'd have to shell out money for an "official" state ID.
Thinking Citizen,
Mickey Mouse voted 47 time in two districts of Ohio, last election. Just to shut you up. You sound like a bad record.
So you say, if it were documented, the votes would have been thrown out. Show me any actual fraud data, not your invented imaginary "Mickey Mouse" figures.
Still don't think you can. Come on, you have the internet, do some research. When you just spout noise, you just make yourself look more stupid!
I have done numerous financial transaction and have NEVER been asked for a photo ID. Certainly not to fill a prescription. I book reservations for hotels, give them my credit card and no problem! Explain why a college ID isn't accepted but a flipping gun registration is? Especially since thousands of guns are being sold and resold illegally? The Republicans are trying to stack the decks, plain and simple. They are afraid they can win is people are allowed to vote as they have for God knows how long. My grandma was born at home in the south. They didn't issues birth certificates then. She voted all her adult life until she died at 102 years old and her right to vote was NEVER questioned. With these new "voter fraud" rules, she wouldn't be able to today. It's all BS!
In my employment, I have numerous occasions to check picture ID's. Surprising how many let their licenses expire and are astonished when I point it out.
So in your perfect "Dress Right Dress" empire, some carelessness (a trait not restricted to brown people) results in disenfranchisement.
False. First let me point out that you are making an argument that this could affect everyone, therefore doesn't affect any one group more than others. Funny that you admit that it applies the same no matter the color of skin. Next, this is what provisional ballots are for. Under the proposed Texas law:
A voter who fails to present the required identification may cast a provisional ballot. The voter must present, not later than the sixth day after the date of the election, the required form of identification to the voter registrar for examination OR the voter may execute, in the presence of the voter registrar, an affidavit under penalty of perjury stating that the voter has a religious objection to being photographed or that the voter does not have identification as a result of a natural disaster declared by the president or the governor which occurred not earlier than 45 days before the date the ballot was cast.
Good one Weasel
I cede this round to you.
You can't buy a can of spray without a drivers license? Where do you live?
My mother in Texas gave up her drivers license and had a Texas ID within a week. It didn't have an expiration date because she was so old. The city judge set up the appointments with DPS and the Amigos del Valle bus took a whole bunch of old people down. The bus was paid for by the city driven by a city employee and took people grocery shopping after lunch everyday. How do you people get by? Granny you have to prove age to buy spray paint to many kids huffing the stuff.
Your 70 year old mom wouldn't even need an ID under this law.
Republicans want women to have to pay for birth control but allow the insurance company to pay for Viagra.
Republicans want to ban all abortions for any reason but not allow women to get birth control so if they were to get raped they would force them to have the rapist baby. Won't it be bad enough to have been raped now they force you to have a baby you did not want. And God forbid if the women is white and the rapist is black these same people would scream for an abortion or just leave the child on the government to take care off. Or if you are old enough remember the movie Mandigo.
Republicans want it you have a pre-existing condition and have insurance at you current job, you must stay at that job because they know you will not be able to get insurance elsewhere. Meaning lower pay, fewer benefits,
bad work environment etc. that you have to stay and contend with.
Republicans want to be to refuse insurance coverage for any reason. So if a boss/owner don’t like the way you look they can refuse to cover you.
Republicans want to cut Social Security and Medicare or to privatize it so vulture capitalist can come in raid all the proceeds and leave the people with nothing.
Republicans want to cry class warfare, yet from day one they have totally disrespected the office of the President and worked only to protect the wealthy.
Republicans refuse to admit trickle-down economics have not worked. By all account the wealthy have
gotten richer and the middle class have gotten poorer. Sounds like tickle up economics.
Republicans want smaller government yet they want use the government to force their religious beliefs on everyone. Believe what my religion says or you can’t work here.
Republicans want to restrict voters’ rights. If they want everyone to have a government issue ID, make it free to get in every state. Or make the voter requirements the same as cashing a check, getting medicine, puchasing alcohol that you need an ID for and all the transactions that requires ID. There should be one requirement for every type and that should be free to get.
And Republicans want to call President Obama a socialist. From everything the Republicans are trying to
do they want the United States to turn into a Communist nation. Just look at the control they are trying to
get over everyone’s lives.
Reagan Democrats = Obama Republicans
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Retired— MSgt,
I do want women to pay for their own birth control!!!! We paid for our own and never for a moments thought that it was another's responsiblity. Our health insurance just went up 31%, last week, after an increase of 24%, last year. I am sick and tired of paying for people that think I owe them something that I don't. If the nanny State bull shi! doesn't stop soon, I won't even be able to take care of my own family.
If you want to pay for other women to have sex then donate your money, don't try to make me donate mine.
So that is only one of the points I made. The problem with the republican party is they all these little groups of people only ranting and raving about just one of those points I mention. They have no regard for the other points. This attack on women is just a small part of a bigger picture. Look at the other points. Take away a women right to choose to use the pill by forcing the cost on her yet paying for viagra, yeah right!!! Making her have a rapist baby, yeah right!!! Look at the whole picture. Which one of your rights are you willing to give up when another religious person finds something wrong with that. LOOK REAL HARD before you answer.
Dave women with health coverage they pay for, expect that health coverage to pay prescription birth control. Has ANYONE suggested that tax money should cover prescription medication when health care policies are supposed to cover it, aside from Rush Limbaugh, since when is he an expert on anything?
Dave: Paying for birth control is cheaper than paying for babies. Your insurance company is required by Federal law to pay for babies. Wonderful "small government" again! If it pays for birth control, your rates will go down because you will have to pay for fewer babies. If your rates went up as you said, then too many people are having babies. Tell them to take birth control instead.
For all you people who think viagra is so sexy do you actually know what it does? It is a vascular dilator it opens veins so more blood passes through. It can also be used to treat all other vascular problems If you have one you probably have more. Even women can use it.
Let's get back to Texas here. In my area of Texas heaven the 80% minority, and we wonder why our kids have trouble with math, doesn't divide elections based on party affiliation. They didvide it on family lines. It took 4 days for the "family" to claim this white ex-yankee because my mothers cousin was married to the sister of one of their wives. We managed to elect a mayor, city judge and JP who were all first cousins as was the police chief. All by the way were latino. When we do have an election based on party lines we usually have 3 republicans and 6 democrats running in the primary if one isn't latino that would be a miracle. So please the poor minority group is doing just fine.
Seems the DOJ has warped priorities. They frown on voter ID but are fine with selling guns to durg runners! Nice!
Oldladyisback,
When your grandmother was voting there weren't an estimated 5 to 9 million illegals in the U.S.. Many that will lie to get free stuff.
Look, you have to show Id when:
Pulled over by the police
making purchases on credit
doctor's appointments
filling our a loan application or credit card application
applying for, or renewing a drivers license
applying for insurance
filling out college applications
donating blood
purchasing some prescription drugs
making some debit purchases, especially when out of State
boarding a plane
out of Country travel.
on and on
So why get so excited about showing ID, when you vote? I'll answer that for you, you want the illegals to vote.
Absolutely the only reason. If not, you would be complaining when grandma goes in to give blood.
Really? 9 million out of 300 million makes you worry enough to spend taxpayers money to correct the problem? And, that's if all of them actually fraudulently registered to vote. I think you are grasping at straws. How many undocumented immigrants do you think actually try to vote?
TC,
The way you are zoning in on this subject, I am beginning to think you are one of the fraudulent voters.
Geez, take a breath!
Do some individual research on your own concerning voter fraud and afterwards ask yourself, is this a truthful valid reason for these laws right now. If you are honest and truthful, you will see that there isn't a reason for these new laws. 5 million people won't be eligible to vote in this election; people who in all probability would be voting Democratic. If voter ID is to become the law of the land, why not wait until 2016. That would give everyone more than enough time for people to get all the ID they need. No, it has to be now because they are afraid they won't win this year.
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/policy_brief_on_the_truth_about_voter_fraud/
oldladyisback,
Honestly and truthfully, don't we want responsible individuals voting? Requiring citizen's to verify whom they are, to vote, is not a big issue. Your unwillingness to allow that process, is.
Illegals, Illegals, Illegals. I don't want to pay for (whoever) sex. You sound like Rush Limbaugh. You probably think that's a compliment.
granny,
You don't want to pay for sex ? Really ?? Thank you for sharing ............. NOTTTTTTTTTT !!!!
Did you forget your meds today ???
If both parties were against this, instead of just the DNC, it would be more believable.
See how I did that?
Those 9 million dilute the power of my vote and thanks to the abysmal performance of the federal government at keeping them out of the country there are more of them here than in your neighborhood. All voter fraud is not on the state or federal level most is in local elections. Some one who moved out of the city but has never changed their mailing address because the post office hasn't kept up with the need for postal boxes so they still pick up mail at Moms house and try to vote for mayor in a city they no longer live in.
Tell it to the judge! Republitoads are loosers hahahaha
Well that was profound Doug, thanks.
Here is what on Judge had to say:
"There is no question about the legitimacy or importance of a state's interest in counting only eligible voters' votes," wrote liberal Justice John Paul Stevens for a 6-3 majority in the Supreme Court's 2008 decision upholding Indiana's ID law, the toughest in the nation.
What's the matter Dave? Liberals and moderates implied to be retarded by right wing bullies, yet when they strike back it's so rude? Hypocrite, one standard for everyone, both sides can play nice or throw stones.
Isn't one of the arguments that the uneducated democrat voters aren't capable of obtaining IDs? You think so little of poor and minority people that you say it is impossible to expect that they could figure out how to obtain proper identification to vote, even in cases where it is given for free.
I get it Indiana is a yankee state so they can have voter ID laws but Texas can't.
lonereb, Indiana had to fight all the way to the Supreme Court to secure their voter ID law. It will likely stand the onslaught that is coming. Using the logic they did with Texas look for the DOJ to challenge/block ALL States that have voter ID laws and need “pre-clearance” under Section 5.
WO I answered that very clearly in #56.1 of this same discussion. I invite you to read that post as I have no intention of answering any question ad nauseum in this discussion.
Jongone we have no choice but to go to the DOJ first we can't even change an election date without their approval. Since our law is Indianas law almost word for word it becomes discriminatory to keep one state from doing what another state has already done and has had approved by SCOTUS. It is punative because the cost of taking everything to the Supreme Court is borne by the citizens of Texas who only want the same rights the citizens of Indiana already have. To get equal rights for our citizens we will continue to bear the punative costs but for all who bleed for the poor minorities they will be paying for this too. Everytime the buy anything not on the list of non-taxable items like a snickers bar or a coke.
lonereb, since this issue has been asked and answered by the SCOTUS it would appear that this is certainly punitive. It is my fear that Texas will not be that last State forced to endure this burden in an effort to protect the integrity and reliability of their electoral process.
Its easy to get a no cost Tx ID unless you are an illegal and or do not want to be found. Nothing discriminatory. If Hispanics are sufficiently motivated to vote, and they should if legal citizens, they should get the easy to obtain state ID. The only discrimination is being wrought by the Justice dept which if they have their way discriminates against actual legal citizens. This is a slippery slope. i would not be surprised that down the road Justice or through legislation we dont have a rule that if you have voted in a federal election its deemed you must be a citizen.
Already registered voters would need to show ID. Why are you so afraid of the "Hispanic" vote in Texas anyway?
i dont think anyone is afraid of the Hispanic vote. Its encouraged. We need to be certain that anyone voting is lawfully doing so. Illegals already have a significant impact on state resources, allowing the right to vote will only exacerbate an already out of control system. Voting is a sacred right, it needs to be respected.
Agaast, voting is a Sacred right? I do believe you are afraid of any minority vote. Not just hispanic. Texas has been out of control for decades.
Granny, I agree that Texas has been out of control for decades as it has the longest border with Mexico. What is the evidence that Texas has precluded minorities from voting.
I don't know about "sacred" but I agree with everything else you stated. I also highly disagree with the minority's not being able to vote argument. I am more against the dead voting as was evidenced in SC.
South Carolina had 953 people who were dead at the time of an election who voted in that same election. Link
For those who don't want to link to the letter to the US Attorney. Here is the summary:
277 people cast ballots within 2 months after death; and
676 cast ballots from 2 to 76 months after death.
Grand total of 953 dead people voting. One could say that what Democrats are truly fighting for is the for the dead to have the right to vote.
Also pointed out in the letter is that 4965 voters had SC IDs cancelled because they applied for IDs in other states. Trouble is, they voted after their SC IDs were cancelled. There is no proof whether or not these people voted twice, but they are on the honor system. It isn't fact that they didn't vote in both states, but it is entirely possible.
I'm not afraid of the Hispanic vote in Texas Everybody running for office in my little piece of Texas heaven is Hispanic.The population of the 4 county area I live in is at least 80% Hisspanic.They run the place real well. I would rather trust the 90% Hispanic police force of the city down the road with my safety and my rights than you. We would be happy if more of them voted as long as they are legal to vote they just don't. We are pushing voter registration in fact the easiest way to register is to get a Texas ID they ask you if you want your voters registration processed at the time.
This already registered voter would have to show ID why not everybody else. Not having your ID on you will not stop you from voting you will be given a provisional ballot which will be counted if within 6 days you provide ID to your county election commision. The ID will be FREE to all registered voters who don't already have one. Elderly over 70 will not need one so you don't have to get off your butt and take Grandma down to get one. What's the problem?
Here is how it works, the Govenor of Texas ( who doesn't want poor folk to vote) appoints a
Director of Voter ID. The new Director is of course a bumbling idiot with an IQ
of about 72. The new Director appoints his favorite Golf Buddies to important
positions within the new department. They all diddly duck around for several
months, have important Department formation meetings in the Bahamas, excursions
to famous Golf Capitals of the World , etc. Then low and behold they finally
submit a design for their new voter ID card to the Govenors favorite Senate
Sub-Committee. They of course reject it and send it back for redesign. The Voter
ID Department spends several more months in various meetings and getting
themselves set up. Meanwhile the election comes and goes with no new
voter ID cards issued cutting out anyone not presently in possession of a valid
state drivers license. Since poor people don't own cars they don't drive, since
they don't drive they can't vote.
This is the classic technique that GW Bush used to enviserate any department or agency he didn't like.
James wrong the same people who process the Driver License process the Texas ID already available all over the state and will send in your voters registration (motor voter) All you have to do for any of it is prove you are a legal resident of the state of Texas of course if you are not a citizen they skip the voter registration part. You don't even have to speak english to get an ID they all speak spanish. You can go online and find out exactly what you need ahead of time to save steps. And most of Texas isn't urban so poor or not you'd better drive there ain't no bus system.
They already have a non-driver ID issued by the same people who issue DL's and it is one of the approved ID's used by almost every Texan who needs an ID and doesn't drive. If you don't believe me ask Budwieser for their book of ID cards available to every bar in the country. It will show you the current version of acceptable ID's from Canada to Mexico. The current non driver ID is on the same basic design as the license except it says Identification Card instead of Drivers License and is scannable as is the license.
The justice department actually used "120%?" Wow. I didn't know there was anything more than 100%. I should re-take my statistics class.
WAIT! It's okay! This is HOLDER-math! I got it now! The same Justice Department head who instructed his attorneys explictly NOT to prosecute any discrimination cases filed by whites. The same JD head who gave us Fast and Furious. The same JD head who ensured that black intimidation was ignored at the last elections...
No wonder they came up with "120%." DUH
Thanks Bill bob Philly. I could not have said it better.
At 1.2 times more likely or 120% the fact still remains that there are more white people in Texas without ID than there are minorities in Texas without IDs. This is simply due to the demographics of the state (+70% Caucasian). Looking at this from a number of people rather than percentage of population there are more whites who don't have IDs than all minorities combined who don't have IDs.
The DOJ used the same argument in SC and will lose because there are actually more white people without ID than there are minorities without ID in that state. Additionally, minorities have the same options of identification that whites do.
Hey all you math defenders, they used "120%" because it sounds like a big numer. If they said 1.2 times more likely not to have ID, then they'd have to explain what they mean by that, and that's a really small number, isn't it?
I make less than $900 a month and I find no problem with getting a Drivers license. I have to go 25 miles to renew my plates in person not a problem that isn't even a trip if you live in Texas. I had to go the same 25 miles to get my license and since my information had dropped off DPS computers out of state too long I had to get a new copy of my birth certificate from Milwaukee because mine got lost and come back a second time. Sent for birth certificate by mail. So what is the problem. This token Anglo jumped through the hoops why not some one else.
Alot of business and local labour pools brought in cheap labor from Mexico to get rid of union workers. They got rid of the union and now you have the result of that action.
Since most of these states that are having problems excepting the immigration dilemma with their right to work mantle. Don't forget they now have a right to vote.
A while back, all the Republicans were frothing at the mouth over the possibility of national ID cards.. now they are doing this photo ID to suppress the vote. Why is it that Republicans usually want to stop people from voting and the Democrats want the contrary? Seeing how poorly the Republicans have handled their own primaries within their own party, I would not trust this party one little but when it comes to counting votes correctly. The elderly will be hit by these photo ID laws. Having parents whose friends are no longer driving, I see this more and more. Once you do not drive and become dependent on others for transportation, this does become an issue. The elderly have the right to vote just as much as any other citizen.
Rasmussen found 85 percent support for photo ID among Republicans, 77 percent support among non-affiliated voters, and even 63 percent support among Democrats.
The elderly over 70 are not required by this law to have an ID so Dorothy what is your problem now?
The amazing thing is libnuts have no problem going threw signatures when the gop wants to bring an issue to referendum to make sure they are excatly right. Just amazing the double standards
why dont we just let texass cede from the union than they can do anything they want.....in fact ,they could rename themselves as "texasstan"...
Thirty-one states require all voters to show ID before voting at the polls. In 15 of these, the ID must include a photo of the voter; in the remaining 16, non-photo forms of ID are acceptable. Should they all cede?
Jongone what is acceptable for thiry one states is considered discriminatory when Texas asks for the same rights. The carpetbagger department of injustice is still punishing us for the civil war.
lonereb, I also live in a State that has been vilified by the current DOJ. That makes me wonder if Holder/Perez even bothered to read Texas’s voter ID law before making their conclusions. I have no doubt that that both of our States shall prevail in the long run.
I don't get it - why would any citizen, latino or not, NOT have an identification card of some kind? Makes me think that possilby that someone without an ID card of any kind would have something to hide, or would want to stay underground - which is suspicious behavior. A citizen, who pays taxes, federal, state, county, city would have a government 'file' of some sort and if there's a drivers license - and anyone who drives MUST have one, has a government file. Like it or not, legal citizens who do the right thing have a file. And the internet helps that issue. If you think that these comments are annonomous - fuhgedaboutit. Live with the very real fact that Big Brother is active and has your number on file.
For the good of the USA it would be great if Texas seceded from the US.Hopefully one absolute condition should be that Perry the [Texas Whatever] would have to ensure that he goes with the deal.
Do you promise this time not to invade us and declare martial law? Steal our land and take away our civil rights and force us to sign loyalty oaths. Because we never rescinded the order of secession.
It seems like the justice dept is punishing some states due to their racist past! We need ID's to vote in liberal California, so why not Texas and other southern states?
Claiming that requiring showing a valid ID like a free state ID card for those that don't drive is racists and trying to supress the vote is just perverted liberal logic. Almost every legal citizen of the United States of American has a valid form of ID and if they don't most states offer free ID's for citizens. So plain and simple the democrats are trying to ensure the illegals can vote which is a crime. You can not trust the democratic party and the drone who follow them to follow the rules and laws of the United States so I hope Rick Perry has the guts to ignore the liberal judge who only made that decision as a favor to Obama to influence the election as sane people know without the illegal vote Obama has no chance.
Rick Perry may not ignore federal law creo, do you remember the civil war? Texas was one of the states to secede from the Union. Any changes in voters rights require federal approval in Texas, and all the states that limited voting rights.
We will according to one of our Senators on c-span this morning take it to SCOTUS. It will of course cost money which will be paid by every Texan who buys a shirt, shoes,candy bar,coke except for nutritious food not served hot anything you buy will pay for it. If it costs too much the state sales tax will have to be raised because we do not have an income tax. So those poor minorities who everybody is crying about have to expend money to get the FREE ID will be paying like the rest of us. It can join the other cases we have pending in federal court now.
lonereb, can Texas do an emergency appeal to the United States District Court for the District of Columbia with this one?