Mitt Romney picked up a total of six states on Super Tuesday, with Rick Santorum gaining three and Newt Gingrich one. The results, particularly a close race in Ohio, left the contest far from decided. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
Updated at 7:44 a.m. ET — Mitt Romney scored a narrow victory over Rick Santorum in the Ohio presidential primary following a hard-fought campaign that had been perceived as a turning point in the battle for the Republican presidential nomination. NBC News projected he was the apparent winner in that state.
Both Romney and Santorum won several Super Tuesday caucuses and primaries, but none more prized than Romney's victory in Ohio. The former Massachusetts governor was able to ride a wave of momentum out of Michigan, where he also closely battled Santorum, to erase the former Pennsylvania senator's lead in Ohio over the past week.
The trajectory of the Republican campaign hinged in large part on Ohio, and now Romney may claim the imprimatur associated with winning a state that's considered an essential step toward victory in the general election.
But a margin of just a few thousand votes separated Romney and Santorum, representing a kind of moral victory for Santorum given the way the Romney campaign and a supportive super PAC heavily outspent him in Ohio.
NBC's David Gregory, Chuck Todd and Savannah Guthrie weigh in on the Super Tuesday results, which left the Republican primary race still wide open.
In all, Romney appeared to have sealed victories in six Super Tuesday states. In addition to Ohio, NBC News projected Romney as the winner in Vermont, Massachusetts, Idaho and Virginia (where only he and Texas Rep. Ron Paul appeared on the ballot). Early Wednesday, Romney added Alaska to his tally.
NBC News projections suggested that Santorum won Tennessee, Oklahoma and North Dakota, while former House Speaker Newt Gingrich won Georgia, the state from which he had served as a representative in Congress.
Mitt Romney tells a Super Tuesday crowd of supporters that the country can't afford four more years of Barack Obama with no one to answer to.
But neither Santorum nor Gingrich, buoyed by their own wins, seemed any closer by the end of the night to ending their campaigns, reflecting the lingering doubts over Romney among conservatives, which were underscored in exit polling.
Check out the full Super Tuesday results here
"We're going to win a few, we're going to lose a few. But as it looks right now, we're going to get at least a couple gold medals and a whole passel full of silver medals," Santorum said in Steubenville, Ohio, before the state's results were announced. "We have won in the West and the Midwest and the South, and we're ready to win across this country."
The states with contests Tuesday were Georgia, Virginia, Vermont, North Dakota, Ohio, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Idaho, Alaska and Wyoming.
More delegates were up for grabs on this Super Tuesday than had been previously allocated to the remaining GOP candidates after two months of voting, according to NBC News projections. Between the 10 states holding primaries or caucuses and Wyoming, which will allocate five of its 26 delegates, a total of 424 of the 1,144 delegates needed to win the nomination are at stake.
Delegate race tells a different GOP story
In addition to Ohio, NBC News projected Romney as the winner in Vermont, Massachusetts, Idaho and Virginia (where only he and Texas Rep. Ron Paul appeared on the ballot). Early Wednesday, Romney added Alaska to his tally.
"There are three states under our belt, and counting. We're going to get more by the time this night is over," Romney told supporters in Boston before firmly declaring: "I'm going to get this nomination."
'We're doing some counting'
Romney emerged as the night's winner in terms of delegate haul, a point which he emphasized in his speech.
"Tonight we're doing some counting," he said. "We're counting the delegates for the convention and that looks good, and we're counting down the days to the convention, and that looks better."
But exit polls showed Romney continued to struggle with the most conservative voters, the core of the Republican Party, in states like Ohio and Tennessee -- arguably the two most competitive contests held Tuesday.
NBC's David Gregory and Savannah Guthrie discuss the latest Super Tuesday results in the GOP presidential nominations which hinges on a close race in Ohio.
But Romney performed well among voters who consider the economy their top issue, or who rated a candidate's ability to beat President Barack Obama in November -- two key selling points in the former Massachusetts governor's campaign.
Some Republicans had hoped that Super Tuesday would help propel the Republican race into a new stage, one that draws toward a conclusion given the growing negative cloud surrounding the GOP race.
Santorum camp asking conservatives to pressure Gingrich to drop out
Forty percent of respondents, for instance, said in Monday's NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll that the primary process has given them a less favorable opinion of the Republican Party. And more independent voters said in a separate Washington Post/Pew Research Center poll that their impression of the GOP candidates was getting worse as a result of the primary than those who said their opinion was improving.
Gingrich decried that negativity in his election night speech, one in which he vowed to press forward.
"I want you to know that, in the morning, we are going on to Alabama. We're going on to Mississippi. We're going on to Kansas," he said to cheers. "And that's just this week."
After victories in Oklahoma and Tennessee, Rick Santorum expresses optimism as he addresses supporters at a rally in Ohio, saying that he and his family are "making a sacrifice for a very big goal," replacing President Barack Obama.
A strong performance by Romney might have moved more Republicans who had harbored doubts about the ex-governor off the fence, and finally create some sustained momentum for Romney. Still, momentum in the primary has come in fits and starts, threatening to make the Republican campaign into a prolonged battle over delegates.
Santorum expressed optimism as he addressed supporters at a rally in Ohio, saying that he and his family are "making a sacrifice for a very big goal," replacing Obama in the White House.
"They are decimating each other ... independent voters are fleeing him," Obama campaign adviser David Axelrod said Tuesday night on NBC in regard to Romney and the GOP campaign. "I feel good about how things have evolved in the last six months."
While the day boasted more primaries and caucuses than any other in 2012, it was a shadow of Super Tuesday in 2008, when there were 20 Republican contests.
There was another big difference, a trend away from winner-take-all contests to a system of allocating delegates in rough proportion to a candidate's share of the popular vote.
Sen. John McCain won eight states on Super Tuesday in 2008 and lost 12 to Romney and Mike Huckabee combined. But six of McCain's victories were winner-take-all primaries, allowing him to build an insurmountable delegate lead that all but sealed his nomination
The Associated Press contributed to this report.



For once it would be nice to see Paul one. Let's hope there's some people who want some real change and are tired of the pandering politicians in Alaska or North Dakota.
Ron Paul 2012!
If Ron Paul should sweep both Alaska and North Dakota, do you think that will vault him into contention to be the Repubs Pres nominee? Or just a useless gesture to make the true believers feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Third party route is the only way for Paul to be relevant and to continue to beat the Libertarian drum. Repubs have voted thumps down. IMHO
What bothers me about the republicans running for the office of president....is how much money has been spent for one of these people to just get stage with the President in coming debates. Romney has already spent millions..it appears to jme that he is trying his best to buy this election. Not one of those running has come up with real ideas that actually make sence at all. Creation of jobs...how will cutting taxes for their wealthy friends creat any jobs ? Bush has already tried that one..it did not work..in reality we , this country, lost millions of jobs...So just what are they doing in this election ? They all talk about war with one middle east country or the other..yet also only speak of tax cuts...you can not do both..that has already been shown as true..yet...paying for the war Bush started is not even being talked about as it should be. No..so far only cutting taxes more for the wealthy and big busines is all they know.
Then the amount of money Obama is going to spend to get re-elect will stagger you. 744 million in the last election alone.
Ron Paul is fighting the wrong battle for this election cycle. Everyone is ignoring Ron Paul because he is not participating in the political struggle that is being played out. It's not about the government at all - it's about who controls the 'conservative' and Republican message. Ron Paul is not promoting or defending either the 'social conservative', 'fiscal conservative', or 'security conservative' messages of either the establishment Republicans or the TEA Party Republicans.
Ron Paul does not have any chance - simply because he is not in the game that is being played. One has to ask if Ron Paul is only attempting to lay the political foundation for Rand Paul.
This is an important election cycle for Paul to gather future support for his son. The election machine may be too rigged for Ron to win this year but at least with him on stage it is easy to see whatp ricks the other candidates are. Ron Paul is the only one who as a representative of the people would actually do what the people want.
If three quarters of the people want medical marijuana or any other law, it is against the oath of office to do the opposite. All the other candidates have said they will oppose such legislation. This means all of the other candidates have basically said prior to the election that they will not represent the majority as is required in democracy.
It is such a basic requirment of government representatives to represent the citizens that these types of issues should never arise. The president's job is to represent the people. Every candidate besides Paul has promised on more than one occasion that they will go against 75% of the people and instead act based upon their own personal views and those of funders. If I didn't use marijuana as an example, no one could reasonably disagree with me. There is no excuse for a representative to go against three quarters of the citizens they represent. Go ahead, try and argue.
I think its funny all this talk on Romney, but they wont mention his cousins are RON PAUL supporters, In your FACE MSNBC!
Here in Ohio, there are a lot of cross over voters, that is, we will request a Republican ballot to vote for Ron Paul. I don't think he'll win, but I feel like I've done my little 'protest'. BlaBla makes an excellent point. If the majority of voters are in favor of legalizing marijuana, or same sex marriage, or any number of 'social issues, then the wishes of the people need to be followed. However, in all reality goverment of the people, for the people, by the people, hasn't been the modus operandi for quite some time.
Set the tone? Their unhonorable tone was set over 3 years ago by McConnell, it will simply continue. NO CHANGE WHATSOEVER. Continued unwarranted dishonor for Obama and every american. The entire republican party is ........ the worst.
Honestly No Republican candidate is Conservative. Except for Ron Paul. And he has no chance at getting the nomination. The republican party lost the Campaign months ago with no united front against. The current administration. Once they actually get a stump on a lump to be the front runner.
The amount of money spent already is going to curtail the parties chances at actually getting a GOP president. The members of congress have not helped either. With all the No votes on everything they have sat on their hands and basically let Obama have another 4 years.
If you can't take a first step in any direction you will always be headed in the wrong direction. At least Ron Paul has a direction albeit a scary one at times
Ivan NC, you're serious??? Let's talk about the amount of money Obama will put into this election. And HOW on green earth can you talk about the amount of money spent on the war compared to the failed stimulas plan??? Um cutting taxes isn't just for the elite rich, you know... it's for small business owner as well. You know the ones that hire most of the population. It has a proven track record of creating jobs for the 80s, unlike the bills this president has passed. It's simple economics. Extreme liberals.... the definition of hypocracy.
Get out the VOTE Ohio! Santorum all the way!
Obama/Biden 2012
Failed stimulus? Well, where do I start-the first stimulus was approved under Bush. But thats ok, right? Because he is a republican? Do you consider the auto-bailout portion of the stimulus a 'failure' too? Because the last I checked, GM is the largest auto-maker in the world again, and Chrysler is again, profitable.But keep beating that drum that it was all a failure-im sure it will play well with voters in the midwest where the auto industry is based. As for the economic policies of the 1980's that you are talking about-the theory was called 'trickle-down' economics-later dubbed 'voodoo economics' because the 'benefits' promised never materialised. Small business owners hire most of the population? The largest employers in the US are WalMart, Exxon, Chevron, Conocco Phillips, General Electric, Berkshire Hathaway, GM, Bank of America and Ford (in that order). Which of those "small businesses" need the tax-breaks that you are talking about? I don't know if all us 'Extreme Liberals' are hypocrites or not, but at least you didn't call us IGNORANT.
Party politics is NOT about a candidate representing the American people. A candidate represents the party first. It has always been that way. The party promotes ALL candidates within the party. A presidential candidate is working to get Senators and Representatives elected - along with winning their own presidential contest.
The party represents the American people. Each party constructs a platform at the party convention that serves as a guideline for ALL party candidates that win election. The party platform is constructed - plank by plank - from the input provided by the delegates selected during the primaries. The local delegates are supposed to represent national, regional, and local issues. That is why primaries and delegate selection is important.
The party that wins the most contests - and becomes the party in power - will push the party platform. All elected officials will work towards enacting their party's platform. That is why Republicans vote as a block and Democrats vote as a block. The pledge to the party platform is more binding than the Norquist pledge signed by Republicans.
The idea is that delegates selected locally directs a political party on the important issues and the party works as a whole to address those locally important issues. If your particular concern or issue becomes a plank in the party platform - ALL elected members of the party have pledged to address your issue. That is considerably more powerful than just being represented by your single elected official.
That is why parties matter. That is why the drawn out process is important. That is why voting for a losing candidate is NOT a wasted vote. You may think you are simply voting for a candidate but you are also endorsing a party platform.
There are things I think Ron Paul does wrong, some ideas that he takes too far, but he also does a lot right. I would love to vote him into office. I would like to see Obama out of office. I would hate to see the liberal Republicans (those big government, in your private business but not your taxes guys that run as conservatives) take office. The GOP is losing all the sensible people to push the crazies, both in the party and in the ballot box.
Most moderates would love Paul. Some Democrats who want the social left but economic right would like him. Some Republicans that like the social left but economic right would go for him. A few from each side might sway too. He's wrong for the parties but right for the country. But that's not good enough for the left. Rather than run a candidate that only represents some of their hardline values and almost assuredly win the election, they're willing to throw their hardliners in the probably won't.
The 2012 race is going to be the same as the 2004 - everyone will be voting for "Not xxxx."
Do you think it would help him at all if people actually voted for him?
As far as I know, nobody is putting a gun to anybody's head to make them pull the lever for Romney, or for Santorum, or for Gingrich.
If he [Ron Paul] cannnot win a single primary to date, then either is message is no good, or he is doing a poor job getting it to the potential voters, or there is some massive election-rigging scheme going on, to subtle and clever for anybody but you to see.
hmmm...
Romney unveiled an economic plan? What's in it? He's have to excuse himself from any talk of cutting capital gains taxes, since that's where he gets all his income (and pays no payroll taxes).
Every single one of these candidates are pathetic. Romney is a dirty rich boy who cares nothing for the poor, Gingrich dreams of a moon base after his SECOND TERM, Santorum believes that women are only good for cooking and cleaning, and Paul is a man with a few good policies, but a million bad ones.
Vote Vermin Supreme 2012.
Ron Paul couldn't sweep his own house let alone a state. Charlatan.
I think Georgia and a lot of the south goes for Boss Hogg types (Gingrich) .....
How do you project a winner with only 1% in?
@john:
...Magic 8 Ball?
So whats wrong with following the Constitution? Why would the guy who predicted the mess we are in be not suitable for resolving the issues? The Man who has been saying the same thing for the last 30 years watching it happen? Its a sad day when people don't understand what change really is and its even more sad because you are afraid of real change.
Ron who???
Time to choose between a giant douche and a turd sandwich
@Monica
Ron Howard, obviously. :p
Nerm - excellent post
@ John 73728: It's called mainstream media bias followed by voter fraud so the media ends up being correct. Stop watching Faux news/msnbc/cnn. Do the research. Learn.
Just because a "majority" of people is in favor of something doesn't make that "something" right, honorable, correct, appropriate, fair or rational. Ever hear of "mob rule?"
When I look at Newts picture I get diarrhea. No matter what I do I can't look at him without getting the trots. I can drink a bottle of kahopectate and still have to run. Now Santorum, when I look at him or see his picture I vomit, can't help it no matter what I try. Then theres Romney, samething with him, but I never know if I'll get the trots or upchuck when I see him or look at his picture. Thats bad when all the repube candidates make me sick. Don't they have someone else that can jump into the race right now and win it all. What a shame they all are.
No, @BuyerBeware, it comes from enchanted voodoo priests shaking a toy from the 80's and either getting a yes, no, or a dreadful "Ask Again Later", you silly pony.
Well, with Newt winning Georgia, I guess the book and CD sales tour will continue.
Does this mean Calista gets to visit the Atlanta Tiffany's ?
"Paul, meanwhile, is emphasizing the caucuses in Alaska, Idaho and North Dakota"
Interesting strategy--low population, lone wolf, delegate poor states. Crazy, Ayn Rand following loon. In the end, it will be Romney and President Obama will polish off that elitist turd easily.
Ron Paul and his isolationist-leaning policies and ideas are not the kind of change America needs. Most of what Ron Paul says is nothing more than empty rhetoric. Congress thinks he is a whack-job. Good luck getting Congress to work with Paul to accomplish anything.
If you want a lame-duck president, vote for Ron Paul. Unfortunately, a vote for Paul is a de facto vote for Obama in this election. This means that any vote for Ron Paul is a vote to keep Obama in office.
If Obama remains in office, I'm sure Obama supporters will give you thanks for the support. Those who wanted Obama out of office also might like to thank you, too--perhaps in an unexpected and unpleasant way. Those are the kinds of things that happen in today's partisan politicking. Sad to say it but it is true... :)
Talanx
Just because you call them failed policies doesn't make them a failure. They were a success as so clearly seen by the fact that we avoided a 1932 depression, so say ALL the economists. But then what do they know, they're just experts in their field not dogmatic tea party pseudo conservatives.
Remeber when the talk about 4 months ago was about eocnomics?
it has come to this:
Abortion
Same sex marriage
Religion war
Middle east war
good job conservative...
i can see they recite verses during the debate >.>
Romney and Obama get all their million dollar donations from Wells Fargo, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and huge banks.
Ron Paul gets his donations from average people, and military service men.
Yeah Ron Paul is the elitist. Damn him for wanting to end the wars, and get rid of the debt. What a tool
Dman - The media is pretty much ignoring paul, it is easier for them to run with the gaffes of the other contenders.
"And the winner in all the states is OBAMA / 2012" By the way, that's Guaranteed !
"The big loser tonight will be Santorum, lets all celebrate his lost"
the loser of the century is America - I predict that our country will never recover from him and his destruction.
But the crown jewel of the Super Tuesday
Interesting words to describe OHIO, where unemployment is one of the highest in the nation. Why can't these hypocritical Republicans "fight" for these " jewels" -Ohio, South Carolina-states when the need the help, and not only trashing the State with political ads that cost MILLIONS...
Who benefits from all that propaganda that costs millions? The money could be better used to give people in OHIO or South Carolina some jobs, or help the IMPOVERISHED SCHOOLS...
Stop the BS
And the winner in all the states is OBAMA / 2012" By the way, that's Guaranteed !
It's NOT guaranteed...PLEASE STOP thinking that Obama has the election on his pocket...
He needs US...DEMOCRATS....Complacency will only destroy the election, just like it did when Bush was reelected.
GO OUT AND VOTE FOR OBAMA
nperk #1.39, talking about "W' again. Lets not make another mistake like him again because he destroyed us as a Nation.
oh, please don't! continue sitting on your lazy welfare butts and think that the government teat will never run dry. Then let the Republicans teach you how to earn a living again as opposed to expecting others to do it for you!
It's a shame Ron Paul won't get the nomination. I guess the Republican voters are too stupid to see the front runners (Romney, Santorum. and Gingrich) for the grubby, greedy, filthy M.I.C war mongers they are.
It would be interesting if, when how much was spent in each state, the reporters would also tell how much was raised in each state. Yes, it is interesting to know that Romney spent 400% times what Santorum spent on a particular state. It would also be interesting to know how much was raised in that state. If $4m was spent, but only $2m was raised, is the candidate really fiscally conservative, or are they reckless investments? Did the candidate spend $18m when $4m would have accomplished the same thing?
"Laura we will have the last laugh" I'm an Independent, also a Vet & retired !
The reason the Republicans aren't going to nominate Ron Paul is because the Republicans will most likely opt instead to nominate a Republican. Ron Paul may be right, honest as the day is long, and all that. But in the end, he's still not a Republican. Yes, I realize he used that party's nomination to get his congressional seat. But all you Paul supporters know it's true. You know you can't stand Republicans, what with all their advocacy of social controls and foreign military presence and building walls at the borders. And you're only pretending to be in that party while kidding yourselves that you can remold it into an uber Libertarian Party.
Breaking news from Tennessee and Oklahoma. The respective party chairs of each have congratulated Santorum on his victories... but noted that because of odd, unpublicized party rules that all delegates from both states will be awarded to Romney.
Actually Virginia is interesting. It shows the Mitt Romney, in a one-on-one match up with a Libertarian, only wins by 18 percent, lol.
I am for beating the same drum over and over, even if it irritates...And this one is for Obama/Biden voters...Just because we see nothing but ridiculous, incompetent (even repulsive) goof-balls, doesn't mean that we can become even the tiniest bit complacent or cocky. Look at tonight's results and see how many Americans seem to believe that Rick Santorum is qualified to be President and remember please that 40-some million voters thought that it would be just fine if Sarah Palin became the Vice-President to an old President. And I try to remember (as Bill M. has said) that when Rick Santorum says that homosexuality leads to bestiality that many, many Americans don't laugh and realize that Rick has never known a homosexual, they say, "Darn right, Rick". And that just because Republicans don't much like Mitt Romney, many, many of them hate President Obama far more.
Obama will win against any of the CRETINS proposed by the RETHUGs. ANY ONE OF THEM
What is necessary is to throw the teabaggers under the bus and clean house. that means getting out the vote. REMEMBER - IF THE RETHUGS ARE LEFT IN OFFICE AFTER NOVEMBER YOU WILL ONLY HAVE YOURSELVES TO BLAME. Complacency is the enemy now - the lack of progressives getting out and voting. REMEMBER - THOSE RETHUGS WILL VOTE.
The Quote of the Decade:
The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.
~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006!
Gee, is that the change we can believe in?
@IRespond- You are absolutely right! The RNC sends out a weekly talking points memo to all "pundits" on talk radio and at FoxNews. They'll be dictating the tone of coverage. There is a strong block of the population that gets their ideas from these sources.
Meanwhile, democrats will be sitting at home waiting for November thinking the election is a done deal. So they'll stay home, and we'll end up with one of these clowns in the White House.
Democrats need to mobilize, we need to vocalize, and we need to find some voice in the media. Unlike the right, we don't have a well-developed propaganda apparatus in place. We have Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, and Bill Maher. They have Rush, O'Reilly, Hannity, all of FoxNews, and the list goes on ad nauseum. Anyone with a brain knows that the "Liberal Media" is a fantasy created by the right to help them cover up when confronted with facts.
Dems- don't let up!
Obama/Biden 2012
Just tuned into the election results and had to listen to Romneys speech. Unfortuately I had just eaten and spent the next 30 min trying not to vomit. Talk about the SOS!
no one has ever become president with out Ohio votes in their pocket
Tennessee & Oklahoma are fools for voting for a loser like Santorum, sad news. But the good news is Romney gets all the delegates. The people of Pennsylvania kicked him out because he was not qualified. Santorum doesn't belong with the lot because hes not Presidential material. Also Rick did alot of damage to the GOP with his insanity.
no one has ever become president with out Ohio votes in their pocket
And they also say that the candidate that won in South Carolina was 100% guaranteed to win the nomination. The only place where I see Gingrich going is to his house to have a cup of hot soup and nothing else.
This election is different because we have a cast of clowns running this time around, not real politicians.
Who knows who the winner is...As crazy as it may sound, it may be that lunatic Santorum
Just in: Santorum wins North Dakota while Romney wins Idaho. Alaska is quite literally Ron Paul's last frontier...
I think Santorum should be the candidate for the Republican Party--the guy is more moderate than Romney...he seems to represent more of the "common folk" of the US. Romney is just out of touch and seems to have bought his way (literally) into the position--he has said the wrong things...no one is perfect, but I think a real good contender for Obama is Santorum (they are both products of struggling middle-class and have faced challenges), not M. Romney. If M. Romney is the Republican candidate-- I predict Obama will win.
Ron Paul can win a state if and only if he support legalization of Hemp and Pot. Unfortunately, he won't, becuase he is not willing to be a true Libertarian.
I think Santorum should be the candidate for the Republican Party--the guy is more moderate than Romney...he seems to represent more of the "common folk"
I said he represent all the folk that does not bother with learning about him, and believe whatever comes out of his mouth...Bad things always happen to other people, right? People think that they can vote for these morons and things will continue as always are...
And then the S***t hits the fan, and they find out that they do not have medicaid for granndpa's heart surgery, and they are going to sell the trailer -the double wide- and move with the cousins in one single trailer, with ma' and the other 6 relatives...
obama spent an estimated 400,000,000 to win the democratic nomination for his run, he spent an additional 900,000,000 to win the election, It is estimated that he is prepared to spend 1,3 Billion for this run for the presidency so please save your whines, bitches and gripes about republicans spending to much for their run for offices- clean up the trash in your own backyard starting with that moron you elected to the presidency.
we are more then willing to send obama back to his homeland or whatever muslim country needs one more @!$%# to serve as president whatever just to get his dumb ass out of the United states
IRESPOND, that lunatic Santorum would destroy this Country, don't say that, its toxic.
Mr.Anon, that's sad news with North Dakota, l thought they were smart, to see this guy is a Phony.
QUESTION:
Is "IRRESPOND" real? Simply appeared on the internet 2 days ago. Most likely what's going on here is an effort by the left to divide the right.
What's REALLY going on is that all those that want to once and for all see BIG GOVERNMENT away are simply passionately fighting for EXACTLY who is going to show Mr. BIG SPENDER OF OUR TAX MONEY OBAMA out the door!!!
My brothers and sisters…. my friends…. my
fellow countrymen….. We stand here today as a nation during a very important
point in time. The decisions we make this year will either plant the seeds for
a brighter future in America, or plant the seeds for our eventual bankruptcy
and destruction as a country.
Our debt as a nation is already out
of control. It will affect our ability to take care of our parents as they age,
our children as they grow, and the dreams we have for our own pursuits of
happiness. This is something most every agrees
upon… at some point (in the near future) the debt this country has will
destroy us as a nation… as it is destroying countries in Europe today. Yet,
there is talk among all but one of the Presidential candidates, regarding the
acceptance and implementation of a new spending program which will easily
exceed 2 trillion dollars. This program has a name. It is called war with Iran.
Military action in Iran will lead
to war, for two reasons…1- Any retaliatory action Iran takes will be met with
equal action by the United States. This is escalation, which will lead to all
out war…2- Once there is an all out war, it will become necessary to institute
a change in the Iranian government. This will require occupation of Iran, as it
did for Iraq. Occupation is expensive and would require at least a decade or
more. By that time, we as a country will have gone bankrupt from the expense,
and we will have nothing to show for it.
We have, at this time, the power to
avoid this terrible future. We must rise above our pettiness and philosophical
disagreements on social issues to oppose the greater enemy who would destroy
us. We must use the power We The People have…..the power to VOTE….to elect as
our President a man who would lead our country away from this financial
Armageddon. There can be no other issue so important to the future of our
country right now than this.
I urge you all to support Dr. Ron
Paul as that leader.
Peace and Prosperity.
~A Fellow American~
@Laura, I voted for Obama because 8 years of Republican tax cuts and wars took us from a surplus economy to giant deficits. In those 8 years, my job was erased by the recession. I had to take 3 much lower paying jobs to support myself. My reward, my tax adviser told me to quit one of them because the tax bracket it put me in erased more income than the job earned. Meanwhile the Republicans want more tax cuts for the richest people in America while the middle class is expected to lose their tax cut. I am in the middle class. I work harder than most anyone you will ever meet. I will not collect a dime of government money this year. Never have, never will. I do not suck the government teat. They devour my teats and give it all to the rich. I will vote for Obama again because the alternative is too scary to comprehend.
Cadeyrn, I appreciate your passion and that of Dr. Paul. I completely agree with his and your position on Iran and its implications for our country. I will vote for President Obama but, I wish that Ron Paul had a much wider influence on foreign engagement than he does.
Ternan- really? Are there still people dumb enough to continue this "Obama is a Muslim" bullcrap? Even the Republicans know that's a dead horse. Only the unwashed lunatics still cling to that ludicrous party line. You people are ridiculous. Also, Obama spent 700 million (McCain spent 200 million) not the idiotic number you made up in your crazy person bunker.
Yes, that is a lot of money. But I don't understand why people here are talking like he robbed a bank for god's sake. Romney spent 90 million in 2008 just to get to the point we are now. So far Obama has raised 151 million dollars. And every penny has come from individual donations. (
He's also only 1 mil in debt, as opposed to Romney's 17.5 million dollar debt. Fiscally responsible my liberal butt.
In answer to what someone said about how many people actually think Santorum should be pres- don't worry. It only looks like a lot. I've looked at the math and in every state holding a primary or a caucus, no more than 10% of the total voting-age population actually votes. So, for instance, in Vermont, there are only 435,000 or so total voters. Santorum won, as of right now, 10,230 of them. There are over 200 million voting-age people in this country. Just for a perspective. I've said this many times, but the people who show up for these things are the lunatic fringe and the people who just like to make sure they vote. And only Republicans can vote right now. But, hey, I am ALL for Santorum winning the nomination. I'm positively rooting for him.
Santorum might be a conservative, but hes a bible thumping religious extremists fool and he is "Weird", he preaches madness on our President and Women's rights. He doesn't represent American values and he would destroy our Country with his insanity.
Khylira, I see the same figures you do in the primary voting and believe as you do about the type of voters who show up for primaries. (I would be one of them if there was a contested primary for the Democratic party.) I also agree that Rick Santorum would make an ideal Republican candidate from my point of view. However, I will argue against discounting him or Mitt Romney as I still have to look at how many people voted for Sarah Palin. That speaks volumes to me.
Nerm, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts!
What the GOP should be talking about is the unfair trade with Japan and China that's destroying our Country, look what they are doing to Ohio & Michigan and a cross this Nation. They are slowly, quietly tightening the noose around our neck by crippling our ability to produce for ourselves. Tell Congress we need fair trade agreements. Our manufacturers can't compete under these conditions. The damage they are doing will be unrepairable. GOP Congress wake up.
OK "Mittens" now please and finally show Mr. Big Spender of our tax dollars Obama OUT THE DOOR!!!
"My prediction is you will be going out the door"
And the three ring circus continues with Ron Paul holding a shovel and broom behind the elephants.
"or there is some massive election-rigging scheme going on, to subtle and clever for anybody but you to see."
There is more than just person seeing It's not so much as rigging as it is being blacked out or not mentioned like the other candidates are.It almost like the media is pushing who they want to be the front runners and we are suppose to buy into it.
Romney scores narrow Super Tuesday win in pivotal Ohio
Poor mixed up "Patriotic American". Not gonna work dude. Romney is gonna show our loser President the door!!! You KNOW (along with the other cowering extremists) that this Prez has failed on all points. Respect your "patrionism" but Obama has had his chance and spent our Nation into a less than AAA credit rating along with the Democrat held House and Senate thus only one of many reasons for losing one of those and the logic that Mr. Obama has had his chance and is done. The fight here isn't for who is going to run against Obama, it's a fight for who gets to take him out of office.
This is so painful and dragged out.……..but lets face it, the White House several months ago predicted Romney will be the one they’ll face in November….. and thanks to the primaries, they've got plenty of ammunition and are ready to drag him through the sacrificial fire….hope he is up to it!
No worries KC....Obama has cooked his own goose.
LimeInfinity,
A lot of Ron Paul's donations, which he gladly keeps unless he is caught, come from hardcore racist and other neo-nazi groups.
Isolationism and its related tenets gave us World Wars I and II. See how that worked out? We cannot afford another. Paul's other empty rhetoric is just that--empty rhetoric. All of his promises are just as empty.
Yes, Dems, we must reelect Obama. We must have $10/gallon gasoline. We must have the prices of goods and services go up exponentially to cover the higher costs of transportation.
We must have carbon taxes charged to the utilities so that they can pass the costs on to us.
We must have a medical system that will become more broken than it already is with millions left uninsured that were supposed to have been insured by a flawed legislation that neither Obama nor the Dems had read beforehand, and which will raise our insurance premiums once fully taking affect.
Americans must be taxed for every mile that they drive. How else will we get this economy going? We must have change that makes more than one out of every two Americans sit at or below the Federal Poverty Level. Three years since Obama took office 1 out of 2 Americans now are at or below that level.
If the above and more is the kind change that you want for America, by all means vote for Obama because he has promised to do all this and more.
He has promised to end oil subsidies without telling the American people that these very subsidies keep gasoline from reaching $10/gallon.
He has tasked part of his administration with a feasibility study on how to tax Americans for every mile that they drive. This sneaky new taxation, if enacted, will raise the costs of just about everything to compensate.
He has promised to add carbon taxes to utilities. Ready for rising utility costs?
He has signed into law what has become affectionately known as Obamacare, which will be responsible for a lot of changes to the medical system that will be detrimental in numerous ways, and will add tax burdens to many, many households starting in 2013 and 2014. Millions who were promised to receive coverage still will remain uncovered under the new system. Don't believe it? Go and read that 2,700-page legislative monstrosity and see for yourselves!
Yeah! Obama for Americain 2012! Yeah, right... :)
Wow! How long have you worked for BP?
The speech Ron Paul gave tonight in North Dakota was Lights Out!
If you have a candidate who you think has a better platform after hearing this speech, I will totally respect that
But Ron Paul isn't just saying this $h1t, he actually believes it.
I'm sure there are lots of people who feel differently, that's cool, but hey, give it a listen.
I think his ideas are good for everybody, across all party lines.
And everyones divisive party lines $h1t is bad anyways.
Geting divided is step one to getting conquered.
Anyways, whatever you think, it's a great speech as far as letting you know in plain english what platform Ron Paul is running on, what he believes in.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/super-tuesday-ron-paul-speaks-north-dakota-15863607
Ivan, that's because the Republicans are not trying to help the country as a whole, only their narrow band of rich friends. Lowering taxes on the wealthy ("job creators") or corporations WOULD work (unlike what liberals say) if we were not in a "demand-driven" recession.
However we ARE in a "demand-driven recession" (and many companies are filled with cash and have capital) and the Conservatives do not have the solution. Normally the "liberal" solution of giving more money to the little people would work in this situation, but their policies have also incurred so much government debt (on top of the debt that private citizens have) that things are saturated and the normal approach will not work either.
The economic situation will unfortunately take years to play out, and this is also with the specter of declining and much more expensive oil production by 2015 and a declining share of what IS being produced, due to competition from China and India for oil.
Google "Star Trek" and "Kobayashi Maru" for solutions, LOL.
Alil Common Sense, I totally agree with you. Wake up America, it will not be Good Morning America if you don't push for Ron Paul to be the candidate of any party. This man is truly an american, he believes in the constitution, not the bulls--- that Romney wants you to believe he believes in. Romney doesn't believe in America if he did he would have done much more before now to help americans instead he helped himself and his cronies. America, Wake up before it is too late to see a change. Ron Paul lays it all out in front of you, and all you have to do is say, "I will not be bought" and vote for Ron Paul. I say, "Ring the Bell in Two Thousand and Twelve, Ron Paul can overhaul". Stop before it is too late America, putting your thumbs in your mouths won't ease any pain that you will have if you don't vote for Ron Paul. You asked for and demanded change, you got change you didn't need or want, now you have a chance to put your vote where your mouths say it wants, vote for Ron Paul
Amused...Ron Paul would not be invited to debates as a third party. Plain and simple.
At NO point did 76 year old Ron Paul expect to win. He probably doesn't even want to. At his age, his life expectancy is just 9 years as it is. Add to that the stress of the Preisdency (look at how badly it aged Clinton, Bush and Obama) and aul would have died in the White House.
This was ALWAYS about getting heard. Not about winning. If he wanted to win, then he has the WORST campaign staff in the world.
Ternan
we are more then willing to send obama back to his homeland or whatever muslim country needs one more @!$%# to serve as president whatever just to get his dumb ass out of the United states
Nice. Maybe the Republican candidates can use that catchy line in one of their campaign ads. I am sure the base will love it.
...and that, my friends is the real story of Super Tuesday.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
You mean, from those groups that want to ENFORCE immigration laws?? What you're spewing is utter krap.
Yeah? How did Vietnam and Iraq work out there, dcpyle?
Hey- How's Afghanistan working out, sporty- eh???????????? Pfffffffffffft.
American-2051576 - I've seen him in the media constantly, and until Rick Santorum won a few primary events, Ron Paul got much more coverage than did the former Pennsylvania Congressman.
You have to actually win something to increase your coverage. Ron Paul may have some interesting ideas [and some frightening ones], but until he can demonstrate the ability to actually win a primary election, he is just slightly more interesting than somebody spouting opinions about "the government" in some bar, or on some street corner.
You can't just blame the media. Ron Paul has been covered in the media as much as he has deserved to be. His message, or perhaps his charisma, just does not resonate with most voters.
Baring a series of plane crashes [or other mishaps] involving Romney, Gingrich and Santorum, he will not be on the ticket come November.
Great. The Republican party is one step closer to sending an idiot to lose an election, and the Democratic party is one step closer to sending an idiot to win the election. The Republicans have no idea what they are doing, which is terrible and truly shouldn't be in office. The Democrats have plenty of bad ideas, and want to spend other people's money. Then borrow and spend some more. Then blame rich people for years of poor decisions from everyone (even rich people). Pointing fingers isn't leadership. Doing nothing in an attempt to make a party look bad isn't leadership.
We are in a no win situation, and it stinks.
Great. The Republicans are one step closer to an idiot losing an election. While the Democrats are one step closer to having an idiot with the election. The Republicans have no ideas and no direction, just horrible for anyone wanting to take office. The Democrats have bad ideas, and tie that into spending even more of your money. Then borrowing money, and spending some more. Finger point isn't leadership, and sitting on your hands, especially in an effort to make another party look bad, isn't leadership as well.
Both parties are pathetic, and no one should vote for either, until they get their act together.
A little pet peeve - the current administration has just passed a bill forcing insurance companies to provide free birth control (i.e. we are paying for it to happen). Yet at the same time the IRS, which collects the revenue for the US, is so full of holes and can't get itself operating efficiently, properly or with any real accountability failing to collect billions if not trillions of dollars because of it. Yet the government is spending its time and our money on such things when bigger problems need fixing.
ugh, what an out of touch rich ashole. does he really think normal americans will vote him in? what a waste of money, he should just save it all and retire in hawaii while he still has some dignity.. what a bunch of dummies voting for him.
Romney is the hero! he is going to save us! he will make it easier for corporations to make money!! this is great for us people!! the rich will get richer!! yay!! lets vote for that!! lets vote for that!!
power to the people
John 737278
Post #1.20
Exit polling and calling and talking with leaders within the party precincts to find out how their constituents are voting.
It truly blows my mind that people in this country still think the President is a muslim. Honestly, I am more frightened of some of the "christians" that don't seem to have compassion for their fellow men and women. That is another thing. Romney and Santorum, neither one had the balls to denounce Rush Limbaugh for his tyrade on an innocent woman, speaking her mind about the need for women to have better healthcare. Double standard...viagra is ok? But birth control pills, that help with many female issues deserves an attack??? By a man that was caught with prescription drugs that weren't his? Viagra? Neither Romney or Santorum have a clue what it is like to struggle, daily from pay check to pay check and I don't get any kind of welfare. I work full time and I am still struggling. Congress has done everything they can to shoot down anything the President has tried to do, even shooting down things that the republicans were supporting, just to make him look bad. Sick stuff people. I read a comment yesterday where someone actually used the "n" word on here. I am telling you, I am frightened of the mentality of a lot of the people in this country.
Keith Outraged (1.67)
Although I agree with your sentiment, the following leaves me nonplussed...
You seriously need a new tax adviser. Tax Bracket is determined by "marginal" rate.
That is, for a single person, the tax table for "ordinary income" (W-2 wages, interest, etc.) is...
[Tax Rate Schedule X, Internal Revenue Code section 1(c)]
It's like a upside-down layer cake, each layer gets bigger as you go up.
In other words, on your first 8,700 your are taxed at 10%, from the first dollar over that and through the next 35,350 - 8,700 (= 26,650) you are taxed at 15%.
What does NOT happen is that the first 8,700 is re-taxed at 15%.
If you earn 8,700, your marginal tax rate and actual tax rate are the same - 10% and you pay 870 in tax.
If you earn 35,350, your first 8,700 is the same 870 as above, the next 26,650 is taxed at 15% which is 3,998. Taken together, your total tax is 4,868. However this is 4,868 spread over the entire 35,350 (4,868/35,350 = 0.138), your "effective" tax rate is 13.8%, not 15%.
This fallacy "because the tax bracket it put me in erased more income than the job earned" is repeated over and over and over. From the above arithmetic, you can see you it for your yourself. "Effective tax rate" (except for the first 8,700) is ALWAYS less than the "marginal" rate.
Possible exceptions -
* Earn too much and the Earned Income Tax credit disappears
* Change the source of your income (from W-2 wages to "qualified dividends" and "capital gains") - but that is change in the type of income, and you will almost certainly pay less (ask Mitt Romney and Warren Buffett)
If you have Turbo Tax or another tax prep package, you can demonstrate this to yourself by putting in only W-2 wages and use a "standard deduction", on the front cover sheet it will tell you exactly what your "effective" tax rate is.
Yeah..."Obama/Biden 2012"...then we can find out what other surprises await on a mysterious health care plan most people didn't want in the first place.
Telling the Catholic Church what they must do will surely be only the tip of the iceberg !
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/1221/Are-you-smarter-than-a-Fox-News-viewer-How-about-a-CNN-viewer-Take-our-quiz-to-find-out/Are-you-smarter-than-a-Fox-News-viewer-How-about-a-CNN-viewer-Take-our-quiz-to-find-out
For all you flat tax people, let's start with a flat tax on Social Security and Medicare contributions.
Until Obama's payroll tax break, the middle class and working poor paid in 15.6% of their income in taxes, while Mitt Romeny contributed 0.05% of his.
The way I see it, Mitt owes an extra 15.55%, or he's just not pulling his weight.
D-man, have you been paying any attention to politics at all for the last 6 months? If you deny that media bias has had a major impact in these primaries, you don't deserve to vote. Either you couldn't see that Paul wasn't even mentioned in the recap of a primary he finished second in or you could see it and are just playing dumb so you can kick Paul supporters while they're down.
Either way you are kind of like the retarded kid with a meanstreak on a kids' soccer team. You don't contribute anything but comic relief, but when your team wins, you're the first to spit on the opponent. You live for that feeling of victory that life naturally denies losers. I think there is only one solution to people like you. Someone should dose you with truth serum. Hopefully you will then exit self denial without wanting to off yourself. for having been so terrible.
Exactly.
Most of the anti-immigrant groups have deep ties to neo-Nazi, racist, 'white supremecists', and other groups of miscreants.
Republicans go along with it because Nazi-admirer John Tanton – who wants America to adopt the "genetics" policies of the Third Reich and thinks immigration is the easiest place to start – has convinced Republican politiicans like John Cornyn and Lamar Smith that "immigrant = Democrat".
Funny, the guy never said anything about immigration when he posted about Republicans with political ties to Nazi groups.
You just KNEW.
Arizona SB 1070 and Alabamana HR 56 were both written by Kurt Kobach. He doesn't live in Arizona, and he doesn't live in Alabama.
Kobach works for an organization founded by NAZI admirer John Tanton, who has written publicly that he thinks Adolph Hitler and the NAZIs of the Third Reich had the right idea when it comes to "genetics", and wants the same thing for the US, started with immigration policy.
Kobach has a good deal. He gets paid to write the unConstitutional 'laws' and after they pass, he gets paid again for legal advice on how to defend the unConstitutional parts of the 'laws' from the myriad lawsuits that are inevitably filed against them.
Arizona SB 1070 was then introduced to the Arizona Senate by Russell Pearce, who campaigned for election arm in arm with neo-NAZI J. T. Ready.
Russell Pearce, having been recalled by the voters and replaced with a less extremist Republican, was then given the second highest ranking position in the state Republican political machine, guaranteeing that Arizona Republicans will continue to have a NAZI influence at least through the next election.
If you like Nazis, you'll love Flopney and Sanctimodium.
Well, BlahBlahBlah, I'm not the one calling people retarded and threatening to revoke other's right to vote, am I?
All I did was point out the obvious: that Ron Paul was getting more ink (and video) coverage than was Rick Santorum, until Rick actually won [as opposed to coming in second or third] several contests.
Rick Santorum was ignored by the media until he won in Iowa. If he could manage to keep his campaign going, get his message out, and win a couple of events, then so too could Ron Paul, if there were enough voters out there receptive to his message.
It should be plain to any rational person, who is capable of pouring piss out of boot [with instructions printed on the heel], that he does not have this type of support.
The media has not done in Ron Paul. The public knows who is; they just do not wish to make him president.
If you cannot see this, then you must be either blinded by ideology or just plain obtuse.
As an independent watching all this, I am amused. The republicans are having a primary with all the issues and arguments being discussed in the open, while the democrats are tied to Obama like a dog tied to a tree.
Surely there must several candidates in the 43 MILLION registered democrats better able to govern the United States than Obama but the powers that be in the democratic party, refuse to allow them to speak.
In other words the democrats are muzzled. You take Obama or else!
With all the negative factors that Obama has shown and the many controversies he has shown and been embroiled in, I would think that the democrats would be chomping at the bit to put forth a better candidate.
Obama has refused to show his education transcripts. I wouldn't hire a person and pay him unless I knew everything about him, where he went to school, what his grades were, what he studied and how he paid for his schooling.
Then there is that matter that a Harvard Law graduate takes a ratty researcher job at a two bit law firm! That doesn't make sense.
Then of the 130 laws he proposed in the Illinois State Senate not one is voted on, much less passed into law.
Two years as a senator is not qualification to become the president of the U.S. What did he do as a senator, all I see is that he voted the party line.
Then as president he spends two years fighting with his own party and then one year fighting with his party and with the opposing party. Definitely not a bipartisan leader.
He has the general of the opposing army killed instead of trying to capture him????? When has anyone ever heard of that? Then the body is disposed of before there is proof it is the body of bin Laden. Definitely not right.
Where Obama should have let Chrysler and General Motors go through Chapter 11 and let the free economy run its course he throws billions into the mess. At the same time Obama throws $500,000,000 into a Finnish Electric Car Company to compete with General Motors.
I am very much bothered that Obama sat through 20 years of sermons from an self avowed racist Marxist Pastor Wright with Anti American views, blaming America for 9/11, demanding the destruction of the Jewish people and demanding that his constituents not buy from stores that are owned by white people
Am I the only one to see compete and utter incompetence on behalf of Obama.
The unemployment figures for the race he calls his own, the blacks double while he is president.
The number of black families with two parents falls over 40% and 60% of the black children live with only one parent.
This man is not a man I want for president of the U.S. He is completely incompetent, unable and a disgrace as a president.
It is rare, woodlawn, that an incumbent President, looking to run for a second term in the White House, faces any opposition from his own party.
I do not recall any serious rivals for George W. Bush in 2004, or for Clinton in 1996.
As to your scatter shot criticisms of Obama, much of it is nonsensical [Osama bin Laden was never a General], and some borders on paranoia.
Obama is a far from perfect leader. But compared to his predecessor, he is Abraham Lincoln and George Washington rolled into one.
I fear it is going to be a long, cruel summer for you and others who hold your views, followed by a dismal November. Because hate him or love him, none of the glorified front men for super-pacs currently contending for the GOP nomination are likely to beat Barack Obama in the general election.
The first statement is just so laughable it shouldn't warrant a response. However, if you truly are unable to recognize the left-wing propaganda machine at work, then it is simply too well-developed for your detection skills.
As for the second statement, your denial of the existence of the "liberal media" flies in the face of the facts that 1) the media in general has a decidedly leftist bent and 2) willfully presents stories in that light (and deliberately ignores facts/stories that would contradict or undermine that view). Anyone that does have a brain and cares to utilize it for a critical analysis of what they are seeing knows the falsity of your statement.
Woodlawn - Democrats don't need a primary this year,their guy is in the White House.
Democrats aren't looking for anyone else to run - they like him.
As far as all the other stuff about college transcripts,etc. It's a nonissue.
The voters have seen Obama in action as President for 3 years now.
How Obama has performed in those 3 years is all the American voter needs on that resume.
At this point in time,the rest is a moot issue.
Like him or not -talk about substantive issues,(and Republicans are happy to inform you).
Anything else looks like you oppose Obama just because of who he is.
Never. However, truth is truth. Go do the research for yourself. Subsidies are a really big part of why it is that we do not pay $10/gallon for gasoline. Go ahead. Do the research. I dare you! :)
You need citations for that dcpyle Oil companies are making record profits. Why do you think subsidies will lower gas prices at all? Give a logical reason for this.
Vietnam? Started and grew to fullscale war under several Democrat Presidencies. We lost because we were held back at every turn and because Nixon had the cajones to go with what the American public wanted. ending the war on those terms, however, was a disaster.
Iraq? If you knew what I know you would agree that Iraq was necessary. Unfortunately, a few stupid soldiers ruined it for everybody else who were just there doing their jobs, causing us to remain involved longer than was necessary. They are, however, a sovereign power again--minus the madman dictator with asperations of nuking Israel and killing Americans for pleasure.
Afghanistan? Another case of necessary evil. Unfortunately, a few stupid and a few unthinking soldiers again ruined it for everybody by doing stupid things to anger the general population, resulting in lengthening out stay.
Before we went in to both Iraq and Afghanistan, President Bush was warned about what could happen if American soldiers did not show respect in those nations and was advised as to what to do so as to have the love of the general population. This advice was followed to the letter at first and our soldiers were greeted with kisses from many of the population when the Taliban and Saddam Hussein were toppled. Unfortunately, as I mentioned above, a few stupid and a few unthinking soldiers ruined things for everybody else and made the situation last far longer than was necessary.
I am fully aware of the situation. Are you? If you were, you would have known this. Leaving the Taliban and Saddam Hussein in full power would have spelled disaster, especially if Hussein had been allowed to pursue his nuclear aspirations. He had the yellowcake. He had the launchers. He had the scientists. If we had not gone in, it would have been fullscale, world war after Hussein nuked Israel and everybody else took sides.
For the record, there are tapes of meetings of Hussein with nuclear scientists not long before the invasion, there were accurate plans for the enriching of yellowcake and building of nuclear weapons, several soldiers were exposed to radiation on entering Saddam's under-river facility that had been sealed with concrete before the invasion. And, the yellowcake was removed from the country in secret several years ago. Nothing was or could be said about any of it until the operation was complete because the mission was Top Secret.
You can thank Bush for sending in the troops and ending Hussein's nuclear plans later. Or, you won't. It makes little difference to me in the long run but I know the true situation. The media didn't and Bush had to bite his tongue while he was insulted and called a liar by the media for years and for also having the cajones to do something about the situation that Clinton wouldn't.
In fact, if Clinton had acted we would not have had 9/11. If he had snuffed out bin Laden for the USS Cole incident, the mastermind would have not been around long enough to organize as well as he did and we never would have had need to go into Afghanistan in the first place!
dcpyle
President Clinton addressed this accusation on FOX News. Here's his response
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaNIBFSMjb8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2513JFJsY&feature=related
It is a two part clip.
dcpyle - I have one bone of contention and that's about Vietnam.I do not believe we lost because we were blocked.
I agree fully that Johnson escalated the Vietnam War (1965) and made it an American war rather than a Vietnamese war.
Thank goodness, Nixon understood the situation and got us out.
My understanding of why we lost was this - South Vietnam had a very weak (perhaps corrupt) government - it was unstable and poorly governed under Ngo Dinh Diem and remained so under each consecutive government change. The South Vietnamese military was ineffective, had a high desertion rate and throughout the war showed a marked preference for the American military to carry the load.
We were fighting both the North Vietnamese and and the insurgent Viet Cong with a constant supply coming from China. But mainly the Vietnamese were willing to stick it out no matter how many of them were killed - it has been estimated that for every million North Vietnamese,there were about fifty thousand combat deaths.
Simply,they had no place to go and they knew,in the war of attrition that we chose,they could wait us out and eventually we would have to go home.In the end,it doesn't matter how much we bombed them or put troops on the ground.
Here's an interesting thing to me - doesn't this sound a lot like Obama and Afghanistan?
Honestly I haven't read anything (other than soldier memoirs,but no analysis) about Bush's wars. Any book suggestions?
I will say though, that Bush's CIA director, General Hayden was emphatic that the CIA ,in his words,"Screwed up and there were no WMD".Why would someone who is exiting indict his own agency when he is exiting? ( I just assumed that would include nuclear capabilities.)
dcpyle - Vietnam was never a winnable war, nor a necessary one. Our involvement, which began under Eisenhower, and escalated under Kennedy & Johnson, was an unavoidable outgrowth of the Cold War, and our failure to see that the Communist Block was no longer a unified force [China and the USSR actually engaged in several border skirmishes in the 1960s].
Far from a disaster, our departure from Vietnam was the right choice, both for our country and for Vietnam. Today, Vietnam is not a slavish member of the communist block, but a part of the Pacific Rim economies; you could book a flight there this afternoon and visit Ho Chi Min City as a tourist.
Iraq? Why don't you tell us all what you "know" that would justify this trillion dollar plus quagmire, which cost over 4,000 U.S. lives, magnified the influence of Iran in the region and served as a propaganda gold mine for Al Qaeda and all other militant Muslim groups? Please do tell us all about Saddam's ties to the 9/11 attacks, his as yet undiscovered stores of illicit weapons and why spending the vast majority of our resources there, as opposed to in Afghanistan helped bring Osama bin Laden to justice.
Please do.
FYI: Outside of a bakery, yellowcake is partially refined uranium ore, unsuitable for use even as nuclear fuel, let alone "enrichment" without further refinement. The stores of yellowcake found in Iraq after our invasion were neglected stockpiles, which had been sitting unused for years. At the time of our invasion, Saddam had absolutely no ongoing nuclear program, peaceful or otherwise. There were no active nuclear power plants, no centrifuges and no ongoing program for refining or enriching uranium.
Afghanistan? It was an endeavor that was well begun, but left half done. It is the half a decade of neglect under Bush, not the actions of a few stupid soldiers which have lengthened our stay there.
Attempts were made to kill Osama bin Laden, but as the failure by Bush to find and kill this man in over 7 years of trying might illustrate, capturing and killing these terrorists is not easy, and, for the last 3 years of the Bush presidency, bin Laden was living in a comfortable villa within commuting distance of Islamabad. How sad is that?
Sure. Consider the following from a website promoting electric vehicles. I chose such a site because doing otherwise would level further accusations of working for big oil as above.
I can provide further, varied sources, if you like. Hopefully, though, this will suffice for the moment. I just ran out of time to post further for the time being.
I looked at this site (http://www.evsroll.com/Oil_Company_Subsidies.html). It says nothing about subsidies to oil companies, as incentive for drilling. It speaks only of gasoline subsidies used to ensure cheap gasoline in countries such as Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and Qatar, where the price of gasoline to the consumer is kept artificially low.
Oil subsidies and gasoline subsidies are not the same thing.
It says nothing which would support your statement (above).
The article goes on to suggest that these subsidies, by keeping the price of gasoline at the pump artificially low, induces greater consumption, which means higher demand, and, ultimately higher prices.
In the USA, dcpyle, where we live, there is no subsidy paid to consumers when they pumping gasoline at the Gulf or Mobile station. We pay taxes, federal and state, when we consume gasoline.
BTW: Until the last 2 years, oil production in this country has been in a state of steady decline since about 1985, when we produced an average of 8,971,000 barrels of oil per day. Its low point was in 2008, under Bush, when it 4,950,000 barrels per day. By 2010, under that enemy of the Oil Industry, Barack Obama, it has risen to 5,512,000 barrels per day. (http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=us&product=oil&graph=production).
Mitt's the man!!
Romney 2012!!
Its a no brainer, Ro-money the elitist establishment candudate will be the nominee. The true cornservatives need to be prepared to be brain washed and hung out to dry, regardless of their heartfelt values. ABR is dead! Bend over and remember to smile and say "Thank You"!
amused but not distracted - Name calling and chest thumping. Nice argument.
Romney has always been the GOP presidential candidate - from the beginning.
The primaries, so far, have been a fruitless effort by the TEA Party to retain influence in the Republican Party. The primaries have been 'messy' because the TEA Party fringe are trying to be relevant. The TEA Party is the segment of the Republican Party that attempts to 'primary' candidates - and - they are failing in their effort.
The TEA Party is now just another voting block - like the women voting block - the evangelical voting block - the Hispanic voting block. The TEA Party failed to become the Republican base - now they are just another demographic group. Even the TEA Party leaders in the House are abandoning ship - Eric Cantor endorsing Romney only means Cantor is looking for long coattails.
No matter what the outcome of the Super Tuesday voting - Romney is the Republican candidate for President.
Nerm, you are right and he will most definetly NOT beat Obama...
With what I am seeing - If Mitt wins Ohio he has a shot at getting to the convention with enough delegates. Now if Santorum wins, then Santorum has the stronger clear path to enough delegates. If Gingrich is the big winner, There still is a path but it is about as good as Mitt.
I am hearing Gingrich supports going to vote for Santorum in Ohio to hold Romney back from winning Ohio.
Republican internal polls show the three officially unpolled states as pretty much split 4 ways, with Ron Paul possibly winning in Idaho.
All this money being spent and they all have almost no chance of beating Obama..
Skup - Did I hurt your feelings? What did I say that you find unacceptable or untrue? You talk the way you want and I'll express the way I want. Still a free country, first amendment right.
@Eyezwide0pen -- Irrelevant and unimportant. Obama is running against his record - the election is Obama's to win or lose.
This election will be critically important in deciding what the Republican Party will be for the next election cycle. That is the scary aspect of what is going on. Believe it or not, we really need both Republicans and Democrats in government. If the Republican Party destroys itself - I'm not sure the Democrats have enough discipline to govern wisely until another party can be developed.
The government went nutz when the Democrats destroyed their party by kicking out the Dixiecrats. We got Viet Nam from that. We also got Civil Rights legislation - which was desperately needed but poorly executed - because the Democrats lost the moderating influence of the Dixiecrats (nasty as they were).
I was watching Bill Maher the other night and he made a pretty good point.
The joke candidate usually ends up winning. For democrats, Obama seems like an obvious re-election because what the Republicans are saying sounds so stupid to you. But to your "brother in law in rural Pennsylvania" Obama is a no go.
Don't forget 2004. =/
There is a reason for that. He is the only candidate that scares Obama and makes him dream of the unemployment line (well, maybe not the unemployment line because he will get $250,000 a year income for life after his "retirement" with even one term under his belt).
Romney may win and he may not, but Romney definitely unnerves Obama. A potential Romney candidacy is one of the things that led up to Obama going against his claimed principles and hiring a SuperPAC--even though he said he never would do that. That is good enough for me. :)
Gee nerm_L - I actually agree with most of your post 2.8. Win or lose come november, the republicans will have to reassess.
Nerm L - Regarding the Dixiecrats, I must point out, became Republicans. So how has their moderating effect benefited the Republican ideology? Making them racist wasn't beneficial and I dare say they are the root cause of the Republicans quest for conservative purity. Not a pretty picture and now dooms the Republicans to the trash heap of history. Good luck to the new party, unless the Republicans just change names and continue to act as they do now.
dcyple - You are just too funny! Whomever the Republicans choose as their nominee that would use that tired old line "Obama is afraid to run against _______(fill in the blank)". Doesn't your side, the truly fearful ones, ever get tired of saying the left is fearful? All of your kind needs to look in the mirror and stare at the fearful ones, don't be scared its just a reflection!
All this money being spent and they all have almost no chance of beating Obama..
Only if we go out an vote for Obama he will win...Watching stupid GOP candidates only makes us lazy...Don't do the same mistake, when Bush was elected the second time because we thought that the Democrats had the election on a landslide.
NOT SO! Obama is still in danger of loosing the election to one of these morons if we don't vote.
@amused but not distracted -- The Dixiecrats, being absurdly 'conservative', moderated the growing liberalism in the Democratic Party. Johnson, Humphrey, McGovern, and Mondale were very liberal leaders of the Democratic Party - much more liberal than today's Democrats. That far left liberalism was counterbalanced by the conservatism of the Dixiecrats. When that counterbalance was removed - the Democratic Party began loosing relevance. Carter was when the Democratic Party began to heal itself. Carter was a more moderate, more pragmatic Democrat but he could not overcome the strong liberal influence in the party. It's always interesting to see Republicans bad mouth Carter because Carter reintroduced a more conservative influence to the Democratic Party.
Reagan was a staunch Dixiecrat that left the Democratic Party. The influence of Reagan has led to the current condition of the Republican Party. The Dixiecrat influence on the Republican Party has been to remove the Lincoln/Roosevelt progressive Republicans. Having lost the progressive influence in the party, the Republicans are becoming irrelevant just as the Democrats did. In order to heal itself, the Republican Party will need find a progressive leader. A Romney presidency would be much like Carter's. Romney is not strong enough to bring change to the Republican Party but he could provide an inflection point.
Of course Romney will be the nominee. Even though he's taken every position possible the Conservative's goal is to have someone more right center. The Conservatives want to regain power soooooo bad so they can continue to institute the same failed policies that got us into debt, and near economic ruin. They know their base and the TPer's will still rally around him. The problem is that they have to convince enough of the weak minded, last minute voter, who bases their decision on which attack ad offends them the most, without looking more closely to how the corporations and financial institutions as well as their government, is actually affecting them and those around them. That's why they're all playing up the social issues right now. It'll be even worse as November nears. But the 99%er's are fed up and finally standing up to greed and abuse of power that has brought us a decreased standard of living and stagnated/declining wages while millions still go unemployed!
tjohn, continue to live in missouri, Romney will give Obama more than he will want to deal with. This will be a close race, trust me. I have no horse in the race yet.
If and when Romney loses its not going to be his own to lose, like Obama's is to lose on his own. Right now the polls are showing a swift shift to Obama in the latino and women voting base. The social issues are killing the republicans, the tea party is killing the republicans. 70% of the country thinks the tea party are nut jobs, 30% delude themselves that the other 70% will come around to one of their crazy candidates. There is no compromise with them.
Romney is a weak candidate to start with, he would have been better of staying a democrat and running in 2016. He wouldn't have to fight his record or the tea party. Yes he is awkward, yes he is an elitist, but of all the of the republican candidates he is the most fiscally smart move. However, his lack of knowledge of foreign policy shows through. Morning Joe spent the day ranting about his flat out lies, and Obama has archives of things to bring out on Romney before the general election.
If the economy sinks, Romney wins, if as they are expecting that the economy will continue the slow growth, Obama will win. Romney does not have enough to offer and he has caved to the far right so much its hard to imagine how he can recover from it.
"Their are rumors that Santorum is Weird"
Good. Recall M. Romney's response to "slut" comment by R. Limbaugh--he wouldn't use the term, but he agreed with Limbaugh--Romney a moderate, my democratic ass! Romeny also ran a super-Pac add "from his wife"--negative material (prob. anti-newt gingrich-stuff, sorry, I like also newt--but he always alienates special interest with some of his comments ). Santorum made the comment about college--he true today--massive debt guys who wants to go down that road as a parent, as a tudent with such high unemployment. I am "Ohio"ian in WA State--I can't believe we voted for Ron Paul in WA (no offense Paul), ofcoarse Mit Romney won-- nevertheless;I was shocked. As a state out here, we are notorious for high unemployment, but we are not a "manufacturing state" really...must be the legal medical "constituency", tax breaks for the wealthy-people out here...
I have no worries about Obama. He will be a seasoned president with a level head on his shoulders. The least of my concern is Romney beating him.
Even today, the president set the stage against Romney. He isn't the commander-in-chief, Obama is. And those that saber-rattle needs to justify that stance and understand the sacrifices that must insue in war.
The one reason why I am confident about the president is this:
The extreme right has pulled Romney so far right, he will not find the center. Romney has had his softballs thrown at him during the debates. Debating the president will be on a higher level. You can bet the president's campaign committee has been taking notes. Today, when republicans are casting their "anyone but Romney" votes, the president's campaign is strengthening their ranks.
The thought that the president is somehow fearful of Romney is absurd at best. His comment today, "Good luck tonight." says it all. Romney still has more votes against him than for him.
The women and youth will decide the presidency. Romney strikes out on both.
Well, then, "Amused but not distracted," quit laughing and please explain why it is that Obama went against his claimed "principles" and hired a SuperPAC, if not to try to hit Romney below the belt. Even those in the Obama camp say that he is concerned about Romney running against him while not being as concerned about the other candidates. I myself am no Romney supporter but if he even has a shot at beating Obama out of the White House I am all for him.
Millions of people suffering in this country, losing their jobs, homes, health and lives yet all that matters in the news is the GOP circus.. When is the leaders and media going to crawl out from wherever their head is buried and start coming up with real problem solving, by the time another POTUS shows up nothing matters nothing gets done.
dcypl - The POTUS is correct to decry the negative and corrupting SuperPac's. Our SCOTUS ruled moneyed interest are forms of free speech and legal and "just like people" as well. When these are the legal "ground rules", whether you agree with them or not, "fighting fire with fire" is both legal and warranted. The POTUS had to make a choice on whether to tie one arm behind his back and stand on principle or pick up the knife to do battle on a level playing field. Hope that helps in explaining the obvious.
I, for one, am looking forward to four more years of the status quo. I won't be voting for him but maybe America will learn their lesson this time as Obama keeps his promises to wreak havoc on the economy by his new taxation and other economic schemes.
Ending oil subsidies will give us $10/gallon gasoline and raise the prices on all goods and services, carbon taxes will give us higher utility bills. If his directed feasibility study finds that it will be feasible for taxation by the mile, we can expect that to take a chunk out of our incomes, too. And, his Obamacare will hit families with a major tax penalty if you do not have insurance meeting the minimum government standard. Rates are set to climb as well to help keep the insurance companies solvent as their costs rise, not to mention the coming waiting lists for specialists and their services. Boy Howdy! I sure am looking forward to waiting 6 months to a year for an MRI to rule out cancer--should it come my way, that is.
It is just what this economy needs to kick it into high gear. (And, if you believe that...I have a bridge in Brooklyn I wanna sell ya!) :)
dcypl - Your acceptance of the POTUS's coming re-election is quite rational and realistic. Considering how wrong the predictions of the right wing, when the president was elected in 2008, were just a bunch of bunk and fear mongering, we shall see if you are any more correct or just more of the same RWNJ talking head crap. Hopefully, our country will come out of the disastrous 8 years of "W" back on its game and prospering.
Your assuming Obama can fix what Bush broke, yet so far he has almost doubled the damage to our debt that Bush supposedly created. Your assuming that if re-elected we will be paying off our debt and experiencing mass economic growth by the time he leaves office after his second term. So far he is three years into what your hoping will be an 8 year term and has almost doubled the debt and is projecting another increase over the next ten year period to get us out of the Bush debt. So he now has five years to fix it and he has only added to his burden.
All while increasing services to the poor and attempting to raise taxes on the so called job creators who will NEVER pay their fair share, no matter if you had an entire senate and congress FULL of democrats, those greedy companies would rather move their companies corporate office to China and pay Chinese taxes than ever give into a congress or president whom are intent on supporting the nation via a welfare system paid for by the rich who will NEVER be able to support all the nations so called needy.
Do you really think we lost our manufacturing bc the companies just LIKED Chinese food? No they did it bc China entered into a pseudo manufacturing war with every other nation and they came out the least regulated, the less tax burdensome and the cheapest labor. China set that up very nicely and until we suck it up and do WHATEVER we have to do to bring the jobs back here, we will continue to fail. You just wait for american corporations to shut down their entities here and create new companies in China when China decides to remove any and all taxes on corporations, remove more regulations and maybe even decrease their labor cost. Don't kid yourself folks, China has proven it does not care what effects their nations decisions have on us, they would love, just love to be have the control we only pretend we still have. We are still a very young nation who acts like they are the biggest baddest dog in the ring and we forget that these older nations have more experience in trying to dominate the world, they have lots of trial and error and so far China is topping the bottle in the worlds manufacturing jobs.
How about we stop assuming that raising taxes will do any good. If all of the corporations and the mega rich paid their straight percentage tax bracket they fell into and had no more tax cuts, sure we might be sitting pretty but not likely. The wealth we once had was given away no strings attached and people became addicted, not just the welfare moochers but the other nations we give money to. Demos and repubs alike just love to give away money, and then when they hit a wall its blame game time. They are BOTH guilty and neither one is going to stop any of the nonsense. Do you really think NOW is the time to be arguing about FREE CONTRACEPTION prescripts? How about getting back into the manufacturing war with china and getting our jobs back? How about leaving other nations alone until we have proven ourselves at being able to take care of OURSELVES. Did anyone ever think that if we had the jobs back we wouldn't need a law forcing us to buy health insurance bc families could better afford it? Do any of you think that we are really going to save our nation JUST by increasing taxes?
Here is a little quiz for those of you who are so inclined to do a little research.... During which period was America the most prosperous and what were we doing to achieve prosperity? And at what point did we begin to go into a decline and what caused the decline?
Yes, dcpyle - how terrifying to run against a former governor who implemented Romneycare and urged the President to do the same on a national level before he was suddenly against doing so. How frightening to run against a man who was pro-choice and against the Blunt amendment before his handlers told him how he REALLY felt about these issues! How utterly paralyzing to have to run against a man who made his millions sending American jobs overseas! Obama must be shaking in his shoes... lol.
Obama 2012
TexasFighterGal - Ron Paul supporter? So, all your whining is going to fix America? How did "W" leave this nation? On life support that's how! Would you have happier if the POTUS had adopted the policy of let the marketplace decide how this plays out? Would a depression, to rival the 1920's Great Depression have made you happier? I seem too recall when a few banks failed the lines of their customer wound around the block. Due to the government FDIC insurance(read socialistic policy) those customers left their money in those institutions, which eventually were bought by other banks. How about unemployment? Don't you think it would have even been worse without the POTUS's stimulus legislation? Will spending need to be cut and national debt be paid down? Oh course, will it be accomplished in the POTUS's 2nd term? Certainly not, it took us a lot more than 8 years to get into this mess and will likely take a generation to correct.
So people, who have lost their jobs aren't somehow worthy of assistance. Even today, there are not enough jobs for all those who want them. Are some of these people lazy, probably? Are the majority of these people lazy, not likely! Living on the dole is not Nirvana. Nor allows living the good life, nor should it be.
Regarding China, yes they have had some advantages as you noted. I read somewhere that the Chinese are not the least regulated country. Another problem area for foreign national companies is the lack of intellectual property rights. With energy costs rising its becoming more expensive to ship their goods to other countries. Currently American companies are beginning to start bringing jobs back to our country. So all things considered, we should see the manufacturing jobs recovery(albeit slowly) as a positive for the foreseeable future.
Lastly, taxes are the cost for a civilized society. The debt we find ourselves in would have been less if the tax rates on the rich for the last 10 years hadn't been reduced. Works the same way ongoing, raise their taxes. When the ongoing recovery improves sufficiently, then taxes may need to be raised on the middle class. I don't see anyway around that.
How did "W" leave this nation? On life support that's how!
Actually, and for the record, you can lay the blame for that in the lap of a Democrat-controlled Congress the last two years of Bush's Administration. Add to that the underlying causes of the economic meltdown which were signed into law by Carter and Clinton (before his second term when Republicans regained control of Congress), and enforced by Janet Reno with the assistance of Obama's now-defunct ACORN. Those are the facts and some in-depth research will root it all out--if you are willing to put in the effort, that is.
Amused- Totally agree with your-
"With energy costs rising its becoming more expensive to ship their goods to other countries. Currently American companies are beginning to start bringing jobs back to our country. So all things considered, we should see the manufacturing jobs recovery(albeit slowly) as a positive for the foreseeable future."
Why should rising gas prices be the ONLY reason they would come back?(dont answer that) Did no one ever think that "hey if we move our manufacturing overseas, where will Americans work. And how might that affect the economy we belong to?" I mean people with expensive college educations made these decisions and had no thoughts for the future... seriously? And what happens if gas prices go down?
"Lastly, taxes are the cost for a civilized society. The debt we find ourselves in would have been less if the tax rates on the rich for the last 10 years hadn't been reduced. Works the same way ongoing, raise their taxes. When the ongoing recovery improves sufficiently, then taxes may need to be raised on the middle class. I don't see anyway around that."
Agreed- once you raise them leave them alone. No lowering them bc there will always be something else they can be used for, education ( can always use more money), roads( always being worn out), disaster recovery (hello acts of god), veterans assistance (they deserve the best we can give them), etc.
However, if we have to eliminate corporate taxes just to get and keep the jobs and keep people employed, what would you choose? Raise taxes and maybe lose more jobs or eliminate the taxes to get the jobs and keep them gone to keep the jobs? I mean it is looking like the "pick the lesser of two evils" choice! Now as to their very wealthy presidents and vice presidents and/or CEOs, their taxes should be just high enough to be reasonable, and if the current rate is SOOOO unreasonable that they are not paying anything, then maybe it should be re-thought. But I did notice you only said taxes in general, so I am wondering if you mean to refer to all taxes or were you thinking federal taxes.?
And you misunderstood or totally avoided the "moochers" statement. Moochers does not describe those who are actively and continuously looking for work! I understand the mentality of those who have stopped looking after a year or years of looking with no real responses to their need. I do not blame those types bc they are of a mentality that can not accept mooching off a system for more than a few months. Sometimes they might just need a vacation from being told no, your not good enough, your too old, your too young, your too educated (yes it happens), you are not educated enough, you have not worked in a long time so have no recent work history, etc. But they will get back to looking eventually, if they can keep from suffering from severe depression! However, you know and I know there a too many "Moochers" who will gladly keep having child after child on the tax dime, who will gladly use taxpayer food stamps , who are joyful at being given free daycare so they can pretend to work at a job which may or may not exist, they are tickled pink when they get big deductions on buying a new car that year and even more happy they can get low income financing which for some reason allows them to buy a better car or suv than I have, their children get full college funding and continued medical benefits from birth to age 18 unless they are in college and then they can continue to get them.
And yes, I am a RP fan but just for simplicity, he is consistent, he might be old but that doesn't bother me and he might believe with good reason, that we prospered under a simpler system than our current more complicated and in debt system. I mean we tried Bush, Clinton, Bush and now Obama and not one stepped back to say, " look, you guys have a state and your state has power, stop looking to us to fix your lives and look to your state." One state failing is a whole lot easier to recover than a whole nation failing.
Right now my nation is failing and my state can not help or is being told not to help! Texans citizens got together and decided to get rid of taxpayer funds on abortion, we can't afford it and we are apparently smart enough not to try and outlaw it and Obama is threatening to remove all funding to the clinics to keep us taxpayers paying for abortions. Texas did right by just saying "no more tax dollars spent on this issue" and still said you can have the procedure at your own expense. Very smart and politically correct. You can do what you want with our body but do not ask others to pay for your decisions bc they are probably against what your doing and by asking them to fund it via taxes is immoral and makes them feel like hypocrites for paying taxes to fund your abortion. But Obama is saying no other womens services unless you fund abortion. even me who is on the fence regarding abortion thinks that pretty crappy!
dcyple- Interesting though when you look back into history how everything still comes out 50/50. A repub POTUS might have his first two years a repub congress and a demo senate, then it switches, then if re-elected it will switch again and then again. We need some more independents darn it'. :)
Independent POTUS would probably be funny as hell at this point!
dcpyle - Regarding your post # 2.31. So, can I assume you would agree that the minority 2009 & 2010 and the 2011 & 2012 obstructionist Repub delegation is at fault for the current & continuing "not yet there" economy? Two can play that game. Do you like to play "lets pretend"? How about a totally failed "W" admin that decided to let the bankers and mortage co's do their own thing, like granting "liar loans" (BTW, no where in any legislation did it call for those kind of risky loans. The "W" admin, clearly asleep at the wheel and too stupid to do any checking on wall streets packaging of "doo doo" securities and the ratings companies of granting AAA+, good as gold ratings. How did that lax behavior turn out for our fellow citizens and economy? Care to venture a guess?
You receive an A+ for your ability to ask questions(not that its very difficult to regurgitate what you've heard). I answered your post of# 2.11 with my post # 2.14. You then replied with post 2.23 no mention of my post #2.14, just another question, which I replied too with my post 2.25. Then you made a post # 2.27, again no mention of my answer in post 2.25. Just a rambling blah, blah, blah. I returned the favor with post # 2.27. Then you reply to my post 2.30, finally giving me some kind of answer to one of my post, bravo! See that's how its supposed to work! But just to make sure you understand "I am not your Google". Try practicing, when someone replies to your post answer their reply, you may agree or disagree, before you ask another question. I know it requires thinking but practice makes perfect.
TexasFighterGal - I like your spunk and admire your word output, quite impressive. Not criticising your Ron Paul leanings, it appears he has a loyal following, but the Repubs just aren't feeling the love for him at least not in numbers to give him their nomination. His Don Quixote quest, while passionate is doomed.
The blame for jobs shipped overseas can certainly be spread around. Republicans and conservative think tanks(i.e. Cato Institute and Hoover Institute) led this charge. The Democrats just followed blindly along. And American Capitalist gleefully shed their high wages and benefit workers, all the while still getting Congress(both parties) to grant tax exemptions and subsidies (rewards for bad citizenship). Carl Marx did say "capitalist will sell the rope to hang us all", may not have come to fruition for Marx's Communism but maybe for the Chinese Communists. You needn't bother to worry about gas prices going down, the oil companies and OPEC will always do their utmost to keep them high, exactly where they like them, of course occasionally they will begrudgingly allow small decreases so all economies can catch their breath before ratcheting up the price again.
Very surprised to hear you say raise the taxes and leave them there. Had to reread that a couple of times top make sure that's what you said. The Republicans and Libertarians will have "shift" fits and conniptions. My dear, that is heresy and treasonous talk, most likely punishable by nasty means. I agree with you that higher Fed taxes on those making $225 or $250 thousand a year are both necessary and required. And as you've said their are many areas where that money can be used. As for corporate taxes Obama is proposing a drop to 25% with less deductions, so that the Corp's start paying their fair share, I'm sure that some of them have but others pay little to nothing.
I'll try again tomorrow to finish our discussion.
Lol, the whole reason To vote for RP is BECAUSE the GOP and Demos don't like him. Those GOP twits and the demos have opposed very nearly every bill he has ever proposed and instead gone with their own. And so far theirs ain't so great! I am willing to give the guy who ticks off both parties a chance even if all he does is stop them from passing a single spending bill unless its fully paid for. This was the guy who pushed and pushed years ago for a balanced budget amendment and nobody in congress wanted it, now we have massive debt and all THEY do is blame Bush and Bush blamed Clinton and so on and so forth.
I like a common sense bill " if you do not have the money you should not spend the money." But the repubs are always going to say too many taxes and the demos will always scream not enough. Its a never ending cycle which you and I will probably be debating long after Obamas second term and onto the next guys. Not voting for him again, unless he starts keeping all his campaign promises, I want the border fence he agreed we needed, I want to stay out of other nations business and tell the U.N to step up and do its job without asking us to do it for them and he was absolutely against spending more than we earned, even went so far as to say that Bush was a bad prez for spending more than the nation had. What happened, he changed his mind on my three biggest reasons for voting for him, they are gone, just poof, bye bye and he said we must do anything and everything within our power to bring back the manufacturing jobs, so far in 3 years all he has done is condemn the companies for not paying their fair taxes, I want jobs now taxes later.
But anyway back to honesty, I find it sad we even need a common sense budget bill, how is it that these supposedly extremely intelligent minds can not add or use a lick of common sense. I have seen comments on here that just blow out every smart brain in our govt by miles and miles.
Now I said "once you raise them leave them alone" about taxes. Not that we need to raise them, raising them is useless with more deductions/cuts the repubs will insist on. Eliminate the deductions/cuts and get them(force them) to pay the current rate and it will be an increase in revenue. If Obamas biggest goal is green energy then he may keep the green energy deductions/cuts bc that will truly reflect his supposed goals. But lets cut the bs for green toilet paper purchase deductions! (joke, joke but close to what the repubs would want considered "green' purchases.) I am talking about solar panels on office buildings but they must power the WHOLE building, or at least the offices of said corporation. No more short cutting to get the cuts, I want full blown green energy purchases, totally fuel free cars for ALL employees driving corporate vehicles, heck they could even give a small cut for recycling but they have to prove that they recycle at least 75%+ of their office waste, recycled paper purchases must equal the same amount you previously used of non-recycled papers, yes its more expensive but thats the price you pay, too bad so sad, deal with it! NO more jet purchase deductions, no more Armani suit deductions, "you wanted the expensive crap, so its all on you buddy." We will not reward your need/greed for the best! But we will reward you in small ways for assisting in the effort to protect our planet, even though we shouldn't have to reward you for that! ;) None of it will happen bc "after-all tomorrow is another day." And the next and the next and then wow its been ten years! God, I am really starting to hate politics and its lax employees (politicians)!
Santorum is a NUT, plain and simple. SEPARATION of CHURCH and STATE, dingbat - it's one of the BASIC principles..... sheesh!!!
You always leave out Paul in your list NEWTISAPIG. You must be a Ron Paul supporter in secret.
NewtISaPIG - Why do you think the Tea Party hates Romney.
Newt is a pig can use my moniker for Mr. Paul, Crazy Uncle Ronny. Yes, I'm voting for my eccentric uncle.
I have an idea, why don't you stop having sex with your sister, and maybe you wouldn't be so completely ignorant.
Wow....... KO does that stand for Kiss off?
KO will be KO'd by newsvine shortly. And no, I didn't report it!
Yep, I forsee a banhammer in KO's future :P
Am I the only one who actually wants to have a conversation with KO? You know, for kicks?
i'm not sure who you're rooting for KO, but that is just plain nasty.
Romney not winning because hes a mormon
but religious people will do anything and vote anyone anyways so long as they get rid of same sex marriage and abortion and make everyone a christian...if theyre not trying already, they have yet to try hard enough...
but of course
this russle about this election is irrelevant
obama won this already. its like they need a little pep rally on the rep side...
pity
religious+stupid, what a combination of disaster
"Skup, Romney doesn't like tea insanity"
He doesnt like tea party insanity today, ask him tomorrow, he might change his mind
Obama would drink the tea if he felt it would secure him a victory.
I was already frightened of Santorum but when he said that he thought that separation of church and state made him 'sick to his stomach"...I threw up in my mouth a little. He is a nut.
PAUL 2012!!
Who????????
Must be Paul Ryan
Everyone supports his Medikill bill.
Ron Paul should resign; from every aspect of government. This is not said to be cruel to the man but he has served so many years in Congress, he has zero chance at this president run and he should retire and enjoy what's left of his life before it's too late.
dotsheriff - I'm not voting for Ron Paul, but hey - he's got more zip in his little finger than Rand ever will.
I don't care how old Ron is, if he can get the job done more power to him.
dotsheriff - Unless he changes his mind or doesn't win the republican nomination for potus, paul has alresdy announced his retirement from the house.
Ron is a nut. Loveable, but like you're wacky uncle you like having him around for laughs. Well intentioned and not stupid, just wrong most of the time, with an occasional streak of brilliance.
Rand is a blithering idiot.
I like Ron Paul personally, I just think he sometimes shows he is on the verge of senility. Yes, he can run circles physically around many people 10 or 20 years younger than him, but it's his mental faculties which will count most as POTUS.
For every good idea Ron has, he has another that isn't very good.
Rand is a bigot, and I wouldn't want him to be whispering in his father's ear and influencing WH policy.
Must be Paul Ryan
Everyone supports his Medikill bill.
Everyone that is a maggot as he is...Arrogant SOB
I find there are major holes in Ron Pauls theories. Take this recent statement that there should not be a FEMA, and the tornado victims should fend for themselves, have insurance.
However, even with insurance, it is going to take a long time for those people to get back on their feet and they will need help in the mean time. So what you just let people freeze to death after a natural disaster?
Which leads me to my second issue with him "don't live in disaster areas." Okay so west coast is off because of Tsunamis, the east coast is out because of hurricanes. The midwest is out because of tornadoes, anyone near woods or a forest is out because of wildfires. Near rivers is out because of floods, near fault lines is out because of earth quakes. Just where is he wanting people to live?!
On the medical side, he thinks that government should have no involvement. People have to pay for it themselves. That is all well and good until you find people who can't afford it or they opt not to have it because they are healthy, but then something happens and they need extensive medical care. Do you just let a 25 year old die? His answer was no...so who pays for it?
His platform is flawed.
Paul 2012, smoke that dope! smoke that dope! smoke that dope! Literally!
There is an idea, give pot to all the tornado victims, refuse to help them in any other way and watch them really suffer with the munchies. /sigh I don't get Paulbots
Unfortunately, he can't and he won't. He will not be able to get Congress to work with him. He pretty much stands alone on many matters that lay before Congress. Thus, his promises are nothing more than empty rhetoric and he will always and forever remain a lame duck president if he ever were elected.
In order for him to actually keep his campaign promises, the entire Congress will have to be voted out and replaced with like thinkers. That is a fact. Ron Paul will be dead before that ever happens in America's politically polarized climate.
dcpyle - True and that is a fact!
This is like watching a bus crash in slow motion....
But it's sooooo entertaining!!!!!!
You must be referring to the clown bus. The clown car has become way to overcrowded to hold them all in.
Bus crash? Lol, more like a train wreck. Obama/Biden 2012
It crashed already...
theyre just going at it again..this time theres a cross hanging infront of the TRAIN
None of these guys in the race are what you might call republicans, they are a hand full of nut jobs that stole the republican party. I heard that from some true repubs. But hey, thats what you get when you lay with snakes, eventually some of them will bite you, it's their nature, they cannot help it. So let this be a lesson repubs, if you ever get your party back.....HEEEEEhehehehehehe!!!!!
I think these comments are about to get good so I'll just sit back and watch! LOL
Regarding GOP War on Women and Rush Limpballs:
Netflix, Stamps.com, Deere & Co., St. Vincent’s Medical Center in Connecticut, Bethesda Sedation Dentistry, Cascades Dental, Allstate, Sears and Bonobos have all yanked ads from Limbaugh's show.
Thank you!
Wait 3 months and see all his new sponsors! Your not that powerful! The one time I did listen to his show......today to see what the hell all the furor was about. I heard a Federal gov. commercial lol!
Was it from Cantor telling every one to vote for Romney?
jolly - you're right - if Rush was not having difficulties with ratings before, sponsors leaving will not hurt him now.
But it is going to effect the Republican Party in Nov. and beyond.In the Presidential election, the Congress and possibly at the state level.
Thanks to Rush, a whole new generation of social network savvy young women have been galvanized to get involved and take action. He has soured the Republican brand for a new generation of a large constituency.
Really? I consider myself pretty well informed, but for the life of me, do not know what office he is running to attain.
By the same token, I don't remember Ed Schultz hurting the democratic "brand" with women when he used the same vile language about a woman.
Why is that double standard extant?
Your are right no joe - Ed Schultz did not make the same impact did he?
Who is to say what factors figure in any event that starts a reaction.
I'm sure historians will offer a lot of analysis, but it doesn't change the fact that the results will be detrimental to the Republican party.
Netflix, Stamps.com, Deere & Co., St. Vincent’s Medical Center in Connecticut, Bethesda Sedation Dentistry, Cascades Dental, Allstate, Sears and Bonobos have all yanked ads from Limbaugh's show.
AOL has drop him too....He was crying like a little girl in his show "My apology was sincere" -he said- What a bully..hiding behind a microphone and insulting everybody, all while he ingests drugs and obvioulsy enjoys watching porn...
The "Christian values of the GOP at work"
Like any of you have ever done business with any of them. Idiots. If you bother to read Rush's comments on his website, he'll show you (and he's right) that for every 1 sponsor that drops him, there are 2 waiting in line to support him.
You'll figure it out someday.
"Bethesda Sedation Dentistry"......really? Ya know....I gotta tell ya, I've listened to Rush quite a bit as of late and "Bethesda Sedation Dentistry" never came up as one of his supporters. If they did, they're apparently cheap and buy very little air time.
Maybe you libs are just making stuff up, now.
Like I said Jalenorigby - you're right, it might not hurt Rush, but it has damaged the Republican Party. And they will not be thanking him in November. You don't rile up 51% of the electorate with only 8 months to go.
The big joke is no one listens to Ed Shultz, yet lib's cling to every word Rush spits out, just amazing...Romney will make Obama work for every vote in 2012, mark my words..you all are way to overly confidant. No horse in the race for me yet, just sayin...hang on to your pants.
I listen to the Ed Show, he makes more sense than 90% of your Faux News nothings.
PC, Obama is going to shred Romney in debates. Romney is just too easy to trip up when he has to think for himself.
PC- Personally I don't listen to Ed Schultz - too bombastic for my tastes, and Rush has no taste - there are far better choices for my limited time.
And each of the candidate should make the other candidate work for every vote they get. Tough opposition makes for a better president - whoever he is.
You are right about Democrats had better not be complacent. Many a battle was won by the "losing" side.
I heard he lost 23 sponsors so far. What a joke he is. And neither of the two, Romney or Santorum had the guts to say anything. Women will remember that. Believe it. They will also remember that the POTUS called the young lady and offered his support.
Diverdown - I think the fact that Romney did not take a stronger stand against what Rush said will negatively effect him with the female voter.
Really? Will they also remember that the POTUS said nothing (and continues to refuse to) when his buddy Bill Maher calls women all sorts of foul names, and that the POTUS still takes Maher's money for campaign donations? Funny how I don't see any massive outcry from the Democrats over the filthy verbal abuse coming out of their own mouths in between calling for more civil discourse. If you're going to be outraged at calling a woman a name, then try being outraged when the leftists do it too. Otherwise, you just reveal yourself as a hypocrite to whom we need not pay any further attention.
Rush at least publicly apologized to the woman and admitted he was wrong to say it. Bill Maher has done no such thing--and none of the Dems have been calling for him to do so.
If you're going to cast stones, check that you aren't standing in a glass house.
I for one am grabbing a soda and some snacks and settling in for a night of fighting that will make "Jersey Shore" look like a respectable program. The only thing more fun than tonight should be the convention itself. I was honestly hoping for a candidate to arise from this mess and I could vote for with a straight face. Ain't gonna happen now. One prediction, the day after Palin addresses the convention someone will claim she stole her outfit from Target.
Honest fools are worthy of their comedic presentations. Ignorance and stupidity though, sours quickly. Many Georgians voting for Gingrich really believe He will become the President because so many of them are voting for him. They cannot fathom the possibility that people in other states might see it differently. When the possibility is mentioned to them, most dismiss it with a wave of the hand, and proclaim the offender to be nothing but a confused liar. This primary has taught me there isn't an honest fool anywhere in the whole republican shebang. Ill advised crazies, liars, bible thumpers, and out and out dishonesty abound, but the golden simplicity of a hyped up fool is no where to be found, and I sorely miss it.
Nasty Newt wins only in the stretch from South Carolina to the Florida panhandle. Georgia is right between those two and his home state. A win for the Georgia Pork Barrel is no surprise there. He just said he runs a very frugal campaign. Translate that as no money for campaigning whild you're passing the proceeds around to yourself and your staff.
Translate that as no money for campaigning whild you're passing the proceeds around to yourself and your staff.
He is throwing a party with pulled pork sandwiches in Georgia
Newt Ginrich was born in Harrisburg Pa. so how can Ga. be his home state? I thought a persons home state was where they are born, not where they've lived. I certainly would never consider Az. my home state.
The Republican party are a bunch of TRASH!!!!!!!!! They're TRASH!!
The Republican Party: THE RICH GET RICHER & THE POOR GET POORER!!!!!
OBAMA/ BIDEN 2012!!!!!!!!
The quoted comment has only 8 votes, is completely inflammatory and without value, yet it rates being ranked as a "highly rated comment" on here??? Who is the idiot responsible for rating these comments? How about doing some HONEST rating based on the merits of the post?
Actually, you have that wrong. While it is true that Republicans love money, they also want the economy to do well so that they can make more money.
The Democrats, on the other hand, look forward to a two-class society comprised of abject poor and themselves as the aristocrats that rule them all. They believe so strongly in eugenics that they fund Planned Parenthood and like organizations to lower the population of "undesirables" by limiting their population via abortion, birth control, and other services that help to lower the population of the poor and other "undesirables" in their eyes. Check the record. The founding members of Planned Parenthood were known Eugenists with a Eugenicist agenda.
By the Democrats' taxation and other economic schemes they have over the last three years lowered the incomes of so many Americans that 1 out 2 Americans now sit at or below the Federal Poverty Line. Wait and see what else they have in store for America. Obama has promised to cause the rise of gasoline prices to between $6 and $10 a gallon. Ending subsidies as he has promised will do just that. He has promised to tax utilities simply for providing power using fossil fuels. He has tasked part of his administration with a feasibility study on how to tax Americans for every mile that they drive. And, remember, all of this will raise prices on everything we use to live from day to day--guaranteed! He has yet worse than this in store for America if people like you give him the chance.
Vote your conscience but remember when all of this happens that I told you so! :)
Capital One, Netflix (maybe?) and United Healthcare are still sponsoring Limbaugh! more work to do....
Hey guys. I heard that Obama and Government motors will advertize on Limbaughs show. Talk about a comedy. LMAO. There are still more people listening to Rush than listening or watching Obama.
The truth is that the advertisers that pulled are owned by Progressives. The funny part is they were sponsoring Rush because Rush was generating them a lot of money.
DB Akron, that is the absolute truth!! And now that he has apologized it won't be long until they are back.
I would bet that the companies that left Rush's show are going to see a drop in business. I already cancelled my Carbonite subscription. All these poverty stricken liberals here do not have the money to buy these products anyway. I love it. Poor Poor liberal people, think the American dream is food stamps and welfare. Take from the rich, give it to me...while I sit at home and watch Jeopardy.
Boy are you guys living in a fog! The advertisers are owned by progressives? Wow! I can't even begin to comment.
You all need to talk to the leaders of the Republican party, because they are concerned that Rush has single handedly given the Democrats one of the largest voting blocks there is - women.
Thank Rush in November.
When Republicans shoot themselves in the foot, when they snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, these cliches are not limited to the politicians in the RNC. Commentators and strategists are now allowed to join the melee
Educated, liberal women do not listen to Rush to begin with, they could care less what he says. Dream on, real women will vote for who they believe will strengthen America. Who's that you ask? Time will tell.
according to the polls PC, educated liberal, educated independent and educated conservative women are all flocking around Obama.
Republicans now want to dismiss the importance of Rush but its fairly obvious, the republicans are cowards that refuse to stand up to him. They missed a golden opportunity to woo female voters by coming down on Limbaugh but their responses were as weak and insincere as Limbaughs apology.
Amongst Latinos Obama is beating them all by 70-14, I think your dreaming if you think that its going to be easy for Romney to overcome those numbers.
The dude in the picture looks like he came out of central casting..."calling for a pudgy, middle aged white guy" to portray the typical republican voter...oh wait a minute, that is the typical republican voter, fat old white guys on viagra...lmao
Showing your liberal ignorance.
Rick, stay In Peoria. Any of the Repub candidates would do a better job than what the Dems gave us in '08.
papabran-3513727
Well we will never know since every "candidate" in this clown-show is unelectable-not just nation-wide-but apparantly within their own party as well.
go ahead and stick to your dems, the real racist, intolerant bunch. if you don't agree with a dem you are not aloud to have an opion!
Another liberal doing their usual stereotyping. Well (to fight fire with fire), here's a little stereotyping in response:
Liberal = An elitist, arrogant, holier-than-thou, nose-in-the-air, only-charitable-with-other-peoples'-money, do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do, control-the-masses, amoral, secretly-hating-humanity, snob.
Gosh, it is easy, isn't it?
Rob...... your difinition of liberal sounds like George Bush to me. Anyways, your party is so dysfunctional right now they dont know who the want, and I hate to say it but Obama would smoke anyone of the candidates in a debate I am looking forward to watching.
I'm an independant btw
Rick, pencil necked gay dudes are so much more enlightened? LMAO, your prejudice is ridiculous.
yes Obama would put any one of these pitiful oppurtunists to shame in any debate in any forum anywhere! Those are just the facts. Obama is a landslide winner in the next election. Its kind of too bad that that is all the rightwing nut jobs have to offer up to folks in America. Its a shame actually. Actually disturbing for the majority. The real problem exists in Congress though....the attitude to just do nothing is wearing thin for everyone. It doesnt matter if we have a president that has his hands tied to the "do=nothing legislature."
Obama's never been good when he has to go off script in a debate (i.e. quick thinking on his feet). He had a relatively easy time of it in '08 - everyone (even Hillary) largely gave him a pass. Won't be the case this time around, and whoever emerges from the Republican primaries will have had months of recent "combat" experience on the debate stage. As with Carter going into the '80 election, these will be Obama's debates to lose.
Puh-leeze. I may not be ecstatic over the options the GOP establishment has foisted on the country for this election cycle, but Obama could "smoke any one" of the Republican candidates in a debate? Mister teleprompter and non-substantive speeches would "smoke" Newt Gingrich in a debate? Really? I don't know what you've been smoking, but Gingrich would wipe the floor with Obama in a debate without even having to think hard. For anyone that has ever seen Obama speak without his beloved teleprompter and/or a prepared speech, he's completely lost.
Romney's economic plan? Whaaaa? Cut taxes for the "job exporters" and deregulation. It worked, so good, for GW...... (he's still a hero, in China, for allowing them into the WTO in 2002). Yep, GREAT plan, Mitt.
I thought that Romney stated his plan when he rented Solider field? What he had a flip flop moment and did not clear it with his spokesman.
The number one question I want each Republican candidate to answer:
How is going back to Bush's tax plan (The Republican Tax plan which got us into this mess) going to create jobs and improve the economy?
Well Joe, that is the really amusing part. Bush economists love Romneys plan, it cuts taxes to the wealthy, although they do admit that it won't do much to decrease the deficit or create jobs and they aren't sure Americans will buy into it.
the tax plan isn't what sunk this economy. Legislation signed into law by Carter and Clinton, enforced by Janet Reno with the help of Obama's now-defunct ACORN, laid the foundation for the failure of the economy, the last nails being driven into that coffin by Democrats in control of Congress for the last two years of Bush's administration. Congress held the purse strings of America and repeatedly ignored Bush's warnings about Fannie and Freddie getting too big for their britches. The rest is history but Bush gets all the blame.
You want to see real economic failure? Give Obama what he wants by voting him a second term and watch what he does to make the economy fail with his taxation schemes I have mentioned above when America, not learning from their previous mistakes, gives Congress to the Democrats again.
I am an independent who did not vote for Obama. However, I am wondering if Mitt, Rick, Newt and Ron go from primary to primary in one of those clown cars they used to have in the circus. It would be a last perfect touch. Now that I think about it Newt couldn't get in a small anything.
Imagine... Limbaugh driving!
The perfect touch is all the above with Obama flapping his ears to fly them out there.
Bike Boy
That was disgusting, but what can one say? The intellectualism of the right is astounding!
Look at all the fat slobs in these pictures. It's amazing that were able to shut off Fox news, put down their bags of chips and cookies, and pry their lazy teabag asses off the couch. Welcome to the new Republican party.
I teabagged your wife, Dick.
You're not describing the Republican party. If fat makes you Republican, then the election in November has already been determined. Fat describes America. Obesity is running rampant and America gets fatter by the minute. That's why America needs universal healthcare, to pay for all the diabetes, coronary disease, amputations, slipped discs, etc. that come with obesity. Way to go McDo.
Please don't let the circus stop. The comedy writers will have to really go back to work if sanity comes to the GOP zoo.
OUwhine, you made my day with that one!
You don't get it! They're not working, they're on welfare.
Stupidity...why is it that you people think that all liberals are on welfare? Just because we support our fellow Americans, some of which aren't capable of working. You have to look at the big picture here. There are actually people that aren't capable of working. Do you get that? We help those people, which ironically, is what Jesus preached...do unto others as you would have others do unto you??? Twisting the values of REAL Christianity. As Ghandi said, "I like your Christ, although your Christians are not like your Christ". Compassion...ever heard of it? Apparently the word of the day for you people is GREED.
set what tone ; desperate rings are all i'v been hearing
LET'S BE HONEST , '' THE WORLD IS A HAPPIER PLACE SINCE THE ELECTION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA , '' PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN '' OOOOBAMMMMMAAAA '' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hope and change is coming to a place near you , '' just keep the faith '' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What the hell are you smoking?
We certainly got change. But we have lost hope.
No Hope
No Change
NoBama
I rather think the happiness left in the later half of the second term of George W. Bush when the wheels began to fall off. Good ole Republican ISM at its best.
Actually, you have the Democrats who controlled Congress for those last two years to thank for that. They let Fannie and Freddie get away with murder while ignoring Bush's repeated warnings about what they were doing and what was coming if Congress did not do something fast.
Wait until you have to pay up to $10/gallon for gasoline, get taxed for every mile that you drive, and have utility bills rise and prices on everything skyrocket to compensate for these taxation schemes. Will you be happy, then? :)
Yep the show must go on for another two months ladies and gentlemen. The Republicans changed there rules for just this reason so they must let it play out.
And which one of "there" rules did they change, Jeffrey? (Please learn to use words properly....PLEASE??!!) If you're not interested then maybe "hookt on fonix can wurk fer u"
I will be the first to say I don't have all the answers for all the things our great country needs but Without business you would not have a job so I think you have to have businesses but at the same time you cant work for nothing either. To be honest if Obama or Romney are the nominees I will have to put someone's name on my ballot because I can't vote for either one.
Ron Paul 2012 or Bust!
At this point Ron Paul should drop out of the race. Once you acknowledge there's zero chance of winning the White House based on your performance in the primaries there's no point in continuing. And it's ultimately about winning the White House, not making a 'statement'. In fact you don't even have to acknowledge anything, the math will do it for you.
Romney should hope RP doesn't drop out. Those votes would make Santorum the leader. As a matter of fact, Anyone that drops out will allow "anyone but Romney" to take the votes.
Here is how Sister Sarah, the great American Zero, can help us invade Syria
and help the rebels. She can be part of the invasion force. It is far better way
than the one repuke dunce John McCain recommended.
We have to attack the Syrian government before it is too late, without
putting our soldiers in harms way.
The best way is to send the right wing radical cracked teanuts over there to
fight. First let Sister Sara attack from the front in her helicopter gunship
where she is experienced in shooting wolves from the air with her blazing AK47.
Then get the other dunce, the flying witch from Delaware, Christine O Donnell.
to attack their flanks using her rocket powered, heavily armed broomstick. Then
the macho nut Rick Sanitarium can get his boss, the Pope's boys, the
gay, rapist, pedophile catholic priests to attack from the rear. John (town
cryer) Bonehead and Mitch McDumbell can direct operations. Groper Nutquist could
be the sniper, as all he has to do is lift the lid from his trash can and fire
away.
Harold Camping, the evangelical king, can assist by getting the 500,000 or so
braindead evangelical Children of the Corn, that he brainwashed to give up all
of their worldly possessions to go meet and stay with the man in the sky. These
zombies would not care if they died because they would finally get to meet and
stay with the man in the sky. Camping can supply them with bibles to throw at
the Syrians with some of the millions he bilked these fools out of.
If they still need more help, we can recruit the right wing centrists: the
abortion clinic bombers, federal building bombers, abortion doctor killers and
the radical right wing southern anthrax spreaders. With this army of right wing
nuts and Jesus Freaks, we save our real army for another day.
Ron (Puke) Paul can preach liberty to the Islamics and Muslims who he loves.
Maybe lyin Willardo, the Mexican Mormon Moron tax evader and bankrupter can get
some of his buddies that he grew up with in Tijuana to volunteer to help
also.
Any prisoners that are taken can be sent to Nut Gingerheads 2 trillion dollar
moon colony on an unihabitable planet. There is no atmosphere there, so no
oxygen and only traces of water. It is hotter than boiling water there during
the day and it goes down to 160 degrees below zero at night. In fact, it so nice
there, that we should also send the 4 clowns that are running for the repuke
nomination there also. Ron (Puke) Paul can preach liberty to the men in the
moon, lyin Willardo can establish an off planet moon bank to hide his money, Nut
Gingerhead can destroy the moon peoples housing market, and the Pope's boy,
Sanitarium can try to find work for his base, the rapist, pedophile catholic
priests and braindead evangelical Children of the Corn.
If the right wing cracked teanuts want to beat Obama they need new
candidates. Cain/Sandusky in 2012. These two are their best family values
candidates. .Who cares what they did in the past, they are against abortion,
that is all that counts to these nuts.
Life2...can't resist! too damned accurate & too damned funny.....LMAO
Life2 - Do you write for SNL?? Lol!
Could have been funny it wasn't so much pathetic liberal BS.
Liberals are so tolerant and inclusive!
I say let all of the Socialist Haters like Life2 move to the New England States and Secede from the Union and Join the Socialists in Canada!
Hilarious!
Life2 - Life2 appears to be the best argument against legalizing marijuana. Coherency is important in most of life's worthwhile events. Too bad you've missed most of them up to now.
"The Koch Bros., 1% are pushing his TeaPugs to back Santorum because Romney won't play their dirty little games."This Santorum is Phony as a three dollar bill.
Santorum using pincer-like movement to take New Orleans
Santorum won: North Dakota, Tennessee and Oklahoma. I expect him to take Texas, Arkansas and Mississippi to surround Louisiana. Then he will have the Crescent City in his sweaty frothy grip.
Here is what happens if lyin Willardo wins the presidency. With Fox Top Trump, the bankruptcy king being his adviser, we should be bankrupt after the first 60 days of lyin Willardo's term in office. He loves to criticize Obama about job creation, but he has no plan that would even remotely work. He loses jobs by bankrupting companies, he doesn't create any.
However, Fox Top, being two faced as he is never requested to see the long form of lyin Willardo's birth certificate. There are rampant rumors that little lyin Willardo was seen in a baby carriage in Tijuana with a bottle of Corona Light in his hand. The side of the carriage had the name Willardo on it. So when we see his birth certificate and it says Willardo on it, and not Willard, it will raise suspicions.
The same can be said for Obamas birth certificate. His grandmother stated she was there when Barack was born in Kenya. Then she dies. How does that work?
Man of steel...Fox news watcher? Or did you speak to The PRESIDENT'S grandmother? Grasping at straws.
Can't wait for the Pope's boy Sanitarium to be president of the right wing
radical cracked teanuts, the gay, rapist, pedophile catholic priests and the
braindead evangelical Children of the Corn zombies. Men will no longer have to
purchase condoms, as they will no longer be allowed in this country. All mens
sperm must be used to create babies. Cameras will be in every bedroom. Catholic
priests don't have to worry however, because, according to the testimony of
former raped little boys, they don't use them.
I think Sanitarium is in desperate need of a vaginal ultrasound to find out
what happed to his brains.
The Pope's first order to his boy will be to release all catholic rapist
pediophile priests from prison as the Pope is running out of people to continue
the process of shearing his sheep. He is running out of collection pot fillers.
After all, he needs the money to fight off all of the lawsuits against the
church worldwide.
His second order to RickyDickyDo will be to move the White House to Vatican
City.
I know he's Catholic, but Ayatollah Santorumeni has a nicer ring to it............
Life2 - Don't .
There's enough material to work with on Santorum without being disrespectful to the Catholic faith.
He doesn't speak for all Catholics.
Hating the religious only deepens our faith..
Does Santorum speak for any Catholics?
I think we all checked out when they booed the gay soldier at that debate in Simi Valley, and applauded Capitol punishment. The GOP is no longer the party of family values or the military party. So what do they stand for? Obama/Biden took away military, family values, and conservative views on taxes and the deficit. Obama is more of a Republican than Romney. Obama 2012.
Slick Barry Inc. has out Repubed the Repubes, so much for the Dems ...... ha ha ha ha ha
Slick Barry really pulled one over on the Dems .......... ha ha ha ha
When does the Pulitzer get revoked ?
I still love the Slick Barry lover who said that Slick Barry of the American Empire passed universal Healthcare......ha ha ha ha ha
Slick Barry's about to get re-elected because he's done a pretty good job.
Mitt Romney, a war monger who has never served in America's Military, neither has his five sons, but he want's to be YOUR President, send America inot another war, while he and his republican friends make money from their war producing companies.
The people that are discrediting Ron Paul, and still trying to sell the fact that hes "senile" or too old, or been in office too long, dont know wtf your talking about and your either trolls, cointelpro, or just plain FNstupid and just regurgitating what "media" says, you have never really listened to what RP has to say.... Romney is apparently so senile he cant remember which B.S.lie he told from one day to the next. Santorum wants to run this country based on HIS OWN belief structure.
Ron Paul is the most intellectual man in this race. He's the only politician,I am aware of, that defends the constituion so avidly (exception maybe Kucinich) When he is gone, he will be missed and you can say good bye to the rest of your rights and the potential for a truely free america, mark my words. you reap what you sow....GUD JOB AMERICA THE PATHETIC AND UNSTABLE VOICE OF TRYANNY! YOU"LL NEVER WAKE UP!
If Obama wins have fun with the National Defense Authorization Act, the Stop Online Piracy->(PRIVACY) Act Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property Act ( these both will pass in time, but are still covertly being used today, goodluck watching a free movie in the future online,there are more news laws/Acts to come!ENJOY< I"M LEAVING THIS COUNTRY .)
If Romney wins, that will be a huge laughing joke on the USA. Im already LOL. Hes gonna make BUSH JR. Look like a great leader! ;]
I give up on these Idiots..."When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny"
“Insanity in individuals is something rare, but in groups, parties, nations and epochs it is the rule”
I agree.
@Gimmel,
I am still undecided. I am trying to piece together facts which is kinda hard to on news sites. Can you explain to me why it is so imperative to you that we vote for Ron Paul? I have have already decided not vote for Santorum. I still don't know who Romney is.
Grimmel - Interesting that you threw Kucinich in there. Seems the country, or at least Ohioans, don't want a strict constitutionalist.
Watched Romney give his speech in Ma last night. He said he would cut every one s taxes 20% across the board in the first year, Eliminate the death tax, Cut corporate taxes, De-regulate all so-called job creating businesses,eliminate Obama care, wants to confront Iran, including the use of force, then in an astonishing display of unreality, he says he will balance the budget in his first year in office. Mitt-do you believe in anything except desperately wanting to be elected?
A "pretty good job" as typically meant by a reasonable person using an objective standard? Not by a long shot.
Keep drinking the Kool Aid if you like, but more and more people are cancelling their memberships in the cult of personality club.