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Updated at 1:50 a.m. ET: Mitt Romney won the presidential preference poll in the Washington state GOP caucuses Saturday, carrying forward his momentum from wins in Michigan and Arizona and setting the table for the crucial Super Tuesday gauntlet.
Romney and the other three remaining Republican presidential candidates waged a tougher-than-expected battle for Washington's votes, even though no delegates to the national convention were decided there.
Each candidate has spent time and money in recent weeks in hopes of picking up a victory -- and political momentum -- in Washington, as a table-setter to Super Tuesday, next week's slate of 10 caucuses and primaries across the country.
Full Washington results can be found here.
After the results Saturday were revealed by the state party, Romney issued a statement congratulating his GOP rivals on their campaigns.
"We may differ from one another in background and experience," Romney said. "But we are united in our love of this country, and in our belief that with proper leadership America can do much better. The voters of Washington have sent a signal that they do not want a Washington insider in the White House."
In Seattle, Paul told supporters he was optimistic, NBC News reported.
"We know how to get delegates," he said, noting he is focused on an eventual delegate-building strategy.
The Super Tuesday contests in three days are expected to rehash the fight between Romney and Rick Santorum in Michigan, where Republicans handed the native Romney a narrow victory over Santorum. That battle is most focused in the critical state of Ohio although nine other states will be weighing in, including Georgia, Oklahoma and Massachusetts.
In years past, Washington’s contest was unimportant, taking place after the nomination was already by and large sewn up. In 2008, the Republican primary took place in late February after John McCain’s big night on Super Tuesday and after Romney had already dropped out of the race. This year’s attention from the press and the candidates is unusual, and underscores how difficult it's been for Republicans to draw their nominating process into an orderly conclusion.
Romney was in the state overnight Thursday and Friday morning. He raised $600,000 from supporters, and pleaded with supporters at a separate rally to show up on Saturday and participate in the caucuses.
"So I know most of you don’t know how to get to a caucus site. So if you go to Romney 'W-A' now -- you know what the 'W-A' stands for, RomneyWA.com -- it will tell you, if you put your address in, where the closest caucus site is," the former Massachusetts governor said. "Then you can show up and it won’t take a long time, it will just make a big difference. So please make sure and go to the caucus site. Get your friends to do the same thing."
Romney's hoping to build on momentum from this past Tuesday, when he easily won Arizona's primary and edged Santorum in his native Michigan.
Santorum was in Washington as recently as Thursday, and he decried the GOP's "good 'ol boys" who wish to see Romney become the nominee.
"The best chance for us to win is to not to go along with the good ol' boys who always want to nominate a moderate. The best chance for us to win is to create clear, sharp contrasts," Santorum said, continuing with a line of attack that almost scored him an upset win over Romney in Michigan earlier this week.
Santorum -- as well as Gingrich -- each swung through the state in mid-February around the time the state's Democratic governor signed into law new legislation legalizing same-sex marriage in the state.
“This is the first time in our history that all the candidates have come out before the caucuses,” said Kirby Wilbur, the chairman of the Washington GOP. “For a political party, it’s exciting when the candidates pay attention to you.”
Paul, the Texas representative, also spent Friday in Washington. His campaign has focused more intently on caucuses rather than primaries because caucuses tend to favor the type of enthusiastic supporter Paul enjoys. But he has not been able to win outright any of the caucuses to date.
Unlike some of the other major primaries to have taken place, though, the candidates have spent a minimal amount of money on advertising in the state. Paul's campaign has spent $48,000, and Santorum has spent $25,000.
Like most other caucuses to have taken place, no actual delegates will be formally awarded on Saturday.
Two sets of results were coming out of Washington on Saturday night. First was the results from a straw poll of caucus attendees. The straw poll is conducted at sign-in, and then caucusgoers are encouraged to remain at precincts to elect delegates to the state convention in June. That convention will actually determine the allotment of Washington's 43 delegates.
Wilbur said the late selection process could keep the state in the national spotlight if the Republican nomination fight becomes a protracted hunt for delegates.
“If we don’t have a clear winner in another month or so, I’ll think they’ll come back,” he said. “We’ve got 40 delegates at stake at our state convention in May and they’ll need those 40 delegates if it’s still a two- or three-man race going down the stretch.”
The Washington contest serves largely as a precursor, though, to Super Tuesday. In a nomination fight that may turn into a protracted battle for delegates, individual contests become more important to each candidate.
Regardless, the state party is happy to have the candidates and media focus on the state like never before.
“We’ve never had this kind of attention,” said Wilbur. “We were always the ugly sister never invited to the dance and now we’re the princess.”
NBC News contributed to this report.
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Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate worth voting for. All the rest are just more of the same..... status/quo talking heads, who will say anything to get elected, and will do nothing to solve this country's BIGGEST PROBLEM: the Federal deficit! Ron Paul in 2012 or bust!
Too bad republicans don't think so
Splat!
Problem is 27- the U.S. has more problems than just the Fed Res and the deficit! If it was just that- RP would be great. There's just WAY too much going on in the world today that he is just the wrong leader for.
Romney's the ONLY one to get it all handled. RP would make a GREAT Sec of Treasury! Or make him the budget chairman.
27Reasons,,,,, I hope you didn't pick your screen name for 27 reasons to elect Paul. The simple fact that he's last in the republican race destroys all 27 reasons
(CNSNews.com) – The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) says the real cost of the federal government guaranteeing the business of failed mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is $317 billion -- not the $130 billion normally claimed by the Obama administration. ....
I wonder how anyone thinks that laying off hundreds of thousands of people will improve the economy?
more voodoo economics
27 reasons - and Mitt Romney thanks you for your RP vote.
I wonder how much money Paul will "SPEND" in Washington & not get anything back?
Limbaugh will get a big fat raise ....
He even has your attention ....
That's his job .... "LOL"
moonbaseGOP
I think it should read "Buttgooisms"
Oh, please please do vote for Ron Paul, I'd love to see him win a few states, if for no other reason than the confusion it would cause. The Teapublicans love to settle in lock-step behind their fearless leader, but this time there is no clear-cut front-runner, no bandwagon to join, and it's entertaining to watch them squabble amongst themselves.
Grab the popcorn, let the chaos begin!
Limbaugh will get a raise ....
And another very large one ....
Jim for someone who hates Dr. Paul so much why do you bother "wasting your time" commenting on him? Do you think for one second you'll change our minds? That's about as likely as one of us changing yours.
moonbaseGOP Clear Channel is owned by non other then Bain Capital.....
I don't hate Ron Paul, he is a real nice person. He just doesn't cut the mustard & is no businessman. Independents screwed up, he is no Ross Perot
After 35 years in Congress he is part of the problem with a Congress that only has a 6% approval rating
Jim-372206
How exactly is a man who started his own medical practice and ran it while a congressman not a businessman?
You might want to talk to the people in his district.... A medical practice does not a businessman make
As far as who cuts veterans funding more, it's not this President, it's republicans who do.... Ron Paul lied. When you lie about veterans funding you lose respect from our veterans & I'm a veteran
http://www.disabledveterans.org/2011/07/18/obama-republicans-seek-23-billion-disability-pay-cut/
Jim-372206
What? I always thought that starting a business, making a profit, and doing good for the community were the kind of things that made a good businessman. Perhaps I am confused as to why I ever started mine.
And who signed it? just as complicit!
You might like to be partisan, however I argue that Ron Paul is not your average Republican POS
A profit made largely because of Medicare & government regulations that provides safe medicine & safe medical practices
We are electing someone to head government, not someone who's business relies on government... Doctors should do what they are trained for & are good at ------ "Doctoring"
You might want to do a little research. He actually gave free medical, rather than turn it into medicare. He also started and ran his business long before most of these welfare programs existed.
MoonbaseGOP,
Not a big Santorum supporter (more Ron Paul) - but you need to clarify your 9 points:
1) Given his legitmate view of the Constitution, unless an individual right is specifically mentioned in the Constitution OR it was understood at the time of the founding fathers to be a prenumbral or fundamental right - we do not have that right. A right to marital privacy in the bedroom is not mentioned, and marital sex at the time of the founding fathers was not understood outside the realm of reproduction. Santorum has stated if he were in s State he would not outlaw contraception. If I were you I'd ask Santorum to support a constitutional amendment specifically granting a right to marital privacy in these matters. He might support it - not sure...
2) Santorum has personal religous view that contraception is not Ok. He has not stated that he would ban women or men from using it.
3) That child is a human being jackass! Just because the father was a horrible person and deserves to rot in jail - why take it out on the child!?
4) Women should serve in whatever role in the military that makes sense. The decisions should be left up to military commanders to decide which personnel make sense in what positions. It should not be legislated as some sort of social experiment.
5) Whats not true about that? These left-wing feministas told a whole generation of women that it was somehow beneath them to stay at home and keep a good household. Believe me - its not an easy job. My mother did it, and I am proud she did.
6) Not at all sure what you are talking about...
7) Where has he said that States shouldnt fund education? As far as Federal funding, he believes (like th founding fathers did, that Federal Govt should be limited to the specific responsibilities enumerated for it in the Constitution, instead of using the Commerce Cluase as ecuse to stick its nose into matters they shouldn't be concerned with.
8) I agree with you here. That was partisan. Obama merely said they people should have the opportunity go to College or trade school.
9) Kennedy went too far. Certainly the Govt shouldnt take instructions or commands from Churches, but they should have the right to tell their congregations who to vote for if there is a stark diference. Churches when involved in political discourse need to stick to natural revelation, and not just hoist out the Bible. The fact is that our Founders, while not specifically Christian, were specifically Theistic, and expected a govt leader to be of good moral character - based on natural revelation.
The problem with you - and others like you on the far left - is that you pay far too little attention to the Constitution, and concentrate on imposing your vision of how things should be onto everybody else.
Well said David-263, well said.
Moon base may have got the points from here in the end - where he edited out a few items
http://realityisfarfromideal.tumblr.com/
Moon base - Tyler and Sally will ban you at some point if you keep using other people's words without at least using quotation identification.
Obama will go down as the worst president in the history of history ....
David-2637217:
Where do you get your authority for what you say about interpretation of the U.S. Constitution? No one has ever suggested that if something was not specifically mentioned in the wording of the document that no right was conferred. The language of the Constitution was purposely left in mostly general terms, more as a guide than an absolute statement.
To the extent you're articulating the "originalist" view of constitutional interpretation, that view has not been adopted across the board, and is merely given lip service by members of the judiciary when it suits their purposes. Similar to what you've done with your interpretation of what Sen. Santorum is apparently saying.
The fact is we have over 250 years of Supreme Court jurisprudence in the form of opinions that interpret the Constitution. Some are more controversial than others, e.g. Roe v. Wade, which says that no state may limit or place undue burdens on a woman's desire to obtain an abortion. However, those opinions are the law of the land.
The problem with you, and others on the far right (like that language? conducive to constructive discussion? suggest you rethink your closing statement introduction) is that you fundamentally do not understand the law or the Constitution, seek to add methods of interpretation that are not generally accepted, and dismiss anyone who disagrees with you as ignorant.
If you spent a little more time studying the law, and less time pretending to know it, your opinions might begin to have some merit.
David - Federal Tax Laws clearly state that if you want tax exempt status i.e. Religious Institutions you cannot preach from the pulpit about who to vote for - that includes sending out pamphlets and contributing to organizations for political purposes.
I don't give a dam if churches or religious want to involve themselves in politics but then pay Federal Income Taxes
And natural revelation is empiristic and the problem with you is you want to impose your vision on others
Barbara - that is the fed making a law that is probably unconstitutional, but the right side of the religious folk are too timid to sue over it. The left side of the equation preaches and collects anyhow.
John, It is a FACT that the majority of doctors don't know squat about how to run a business. Same with lawyers. That's why they have all those people who run it for them. I've been in the business...there is not one doctor or dentist that I worked for that knew what they were doing other than what they were trained for. So, that answers one question...his staff runs his business. That's why RP had time to be in congress.
Getyourheadout...
I would definitely say that Santorum is an orginalist (which is not to say that he is a strict constructionlist). For you to say that all Orginalist theories are not generally accepted is hog wash. I am sure there are variations that are not, but the Living Constitution people are certainly not in some super-majority here. Living Constitution people are VERY, VERY dangerous! Under that theory, although the founders gave us an absolute right to not be imprisoned without a trial by a jury, SCOTUS can merely evaluate the state of terrorism in the world, and more or less eradicate the right.
We do have a living constitution however. Its genius is that it can be amended. Perhaps people who are dissatisfied with what the Constitution says should concentrate their efforts into amending it instead of ignoring its plain meaning.
John,,,, Dr. Ron Paul didn't become a doctor until 1960,,,, 5 years later Medicare became law. Ron Paul would not have had much of a medical practice without it nor would he be in a position to give away medical services
DM7741
Again research. FACT until you do, you have nothing to say.
Jim-372206
I find it amusing that you continually try to attack the ethics of an ethical man, and at the same time defend the ethics of a man who's ethics are in question.
Jim, as usual you have no clue what Ron Paul stands for are has done in the past.
When Ron Paul starts that concept of going back to a precious metal standard, I'm mindful that his personal investments in gold and silver would balloon in value.
What happens when the entire world looks to the most real currency, food.? The US can produce extraordinarily diverse . Protect the farms, don't tolerate corporate polluters. Corporations have stolen our tax dollars for their shinny military machine for quite some time. Other than the fact that I share a decreased military presence in the world, I don't agree with Ron Paul on anything.
Obama-Biden 2012
sandtrich
Going onto a food standard? Sounds terroristic to me. Perhaps you should be detained indefinitely. :-)
Great idea! Keep those clowns piling outta the clown car! The more, the merrier!
Now MoonbaseGOP the moon base was the ONLY inspiring idea that Newt McPherson (aka Gingrich) had. I support space exploration. That said:
THANK YOU so very very much for the list of Rush Limbaugh sponsors. I will share them with my Friends and will email them about their shame full support of that bastisoin of family values (married 4 times and BUSTED FOR VIAGRA!).
I would also like to call your attention to O'Riely (spelling) in that I noted a posting that he was supporting Rush Limbaugh's outrageous statements. He too should have his sponsors emailed.
In closing I seem to recall that Rush one time verbally assaulted on President Clinton's daughter when she was a child-I guess that he was picking on someone his own size. What a hate filled scum bag. It makes me wonder how anyone can support this crap the GOP is spousing. Them hiding behind the word of God for thier actions is blasphemous.
I'm currently indifferent to wins the 2012 election as long as it's not Barack Obama! And take that harpy Pelosi with you!
Come on Peace! Come on Liberty! Come on Sound Money! Come on FREEDOM! Ron Paul 2012!
David 2637217--My now comes David(better known as big bangs SHELDON) to give us a huge written lesson in constitutional meaning. hurrah! Nice to know we can always find a know it all. Thank you David.
Moonbase................somehow I think that fits you well. And, thanks for the list. I will make sure I buy from as many of them as possible.
The NDAA signed into law by Obama does almost exactly that. That's one of the main reasons I am going for Ron Paul this time around.
1.19 Pretty weak collapse people. Maybe I should have been offensive?
Ron Paul cannot be considered a serious Candidate for the Pres. of the US--
He is 76 years young, but by the time he finishes his Term, if he did win, he will be 82 years old--a little on the older side for getting up at "3:00 am. in the morning for "That" phone call. What about the following Term for Ron Paul. How Old?
Wish the other candidates would give up already; this is just plain craziness; Romney is the strongest Leader. It causes so much disruption with all the arguing and slamming of their own Party Candidates.
Let's Move On---Romney vs. Obama 2012.
So what time do you think Paul get's up now?
He is only a little older than Reagan when elected, and he served two terms. There is no age limit for Patriotism.
Hey John, it's takes more than patriotism to be president. You have to make decisions, lots of them. The strain on someone in their late 70's (when most have been retired for some time) may be a bit too much. It was for Reagan. He was basically inept his second term. We're paying for that now. So, I'll pass on Ron Paul, thanks.
Tonybeeeeeeerm and Hawaii. When a person sticks to his guns and does not lie and change opinions all the time, like practically all other political hacks, he can sleep soundly at night, not wondering who out there politically is working to find mud to throw on him.
Hawaii, call it built in term limits. He may be just fine with all thea OBAMA care he's bound to be offered.
And if you are going to find selective negatives about past presidents, why bother voting at all, since both sides are and have been corrupt narcissists. Don't vote for anyone anymore, history tells you.
JIM 3722 Funny how the media keeps forgetting to mention Mr. Paul all the time, and now he miraculously ends up in second place again. Obviously no one cares for him, but he manages to keep showing up with big votes. Hmmmmmmmm.
In the END what will be worth anything, do people think that GOLD will some how have any value what so ever, do you really think that gold will some how buy food .... you people make me LMAO .... GROW a brain!
Don't waste a vote on him. He's not electible
You talking about his Viagra prescription?
Ooops, sorry, you mentioned "another very large one", so that can't be it...
Maybe it's another super-sized Big Mac Attack?
Ok.....Moonbat007 Let Mr. Obama win! As long as Ms Pelosi and Mr. Reid have the word Minority preceding their names.
I'm going to Caucus today, 2nd district Graham/Kapowsin High School 11:00am.
Vote for Ron Paul! I'm going to try to become a delegate also.....
The only candidate that makes any sense!
Yay Egilman!! Hooah my friend! They finally decided we get to do our primary here in Tx in May grrr :(
Give em hell!
Nice to hear Egilman. Do your best to encourage all those undecideds!
Paul has been in my area twice now. But the problem with him, he's also a has been. While he has some good ideas, neither party would help him if he got elected to the oval office. Think President Obama has had problems with the party of NO? Wait until both parties say NO.
But if that is what you want for our country, oh well.
Have a great time, Egilman. I expect a detailed report of all the goings on!!!! LOL!!!
Regardless of your opinion - I appreciate your participation - being a delagate for anyone would be more than I could do right now.
SallyAnn they said that about Bill Clinton too how'd that work out?
Sally Ann, "neither party would help Paul if he was elected to the Oval office ?"..That is exactly why Ron Paul should be President, The two parties will have to compromise and work together to prevent Paul from doing away with their pet projects, programs and agencies, tax loopholes, subsidies and so forth........Compromise is what a representative government is all about, and Paul, by his very nature would force compromise.
Vote Ron Paul for real, meaningful change and a return to Constitutional correctness.
If we choose to nolonger abide by the supreme law of the land, then what, or whos' laws and guidelines do we govern by !!!!!
Ellis - more likely the two parties would work together and pass something entirely different because neither party agrees with Paul. Now if Paul were to have a near landslide, cooperation might last a little over a year.
DB, no matter what would come out of a Ron Paul presidency, America would be a lot closer to Constitutional correctness than it has been in a hundred years. We all like to spout about our constitutional rights and the need for limits on government intrusion into private lives, but when someone like Ron Paul says he agrees and would like to do something about resurecting constitutional correctness, every one cries, " now just hold on a minute, it's ok to mess with other peoples' rights and invade their bedroom, just not mine"
Ron Paul for meaningful change::!!!!
So Landslide Willard won a totally inconsequential beauty contest? Break out the champagne. Hey a win is a win with that nut nipping at my heels.
Paul would not have a difficult time forming a working coalition. That idea just doesn't make political sense. There are many conservatives who would love to work with him on an economic and budget issues, so of course they would work toward mutual goals. They may oppose him on many social issues, but many democrats would support these issues and would work toward mutual goals. Things would get done in this way instead of constant gridlock.
Ron Paul 2012 for real change!!
I find it ironic that Ron Paul is a republican candidate. He belongs to a party that wants to invade other countries on drop of a hat, wants to take individual freedoms away (hint: look at Virginia's molestation before abortion bill) and want to increase wealth disparity.
I will vote for Ron Paul if he runs as in independent and vows not to sign any bills which might be based on religious values.
PS: Limbaugh said that anyone using a contraceptive must be sleeping around with lots of men (slut) - hence my title. And a slut who got pregnant is a dumb slut.
I'll vote for anyone who will immediately stop illegals from crossing our borders and close down any company that is found guilty of hiring the ones already here. Hows that for upholding the laws of the land.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Looks like 2nd place for Ron Paul tonight, not too shabby. Gratz Egilman for being a true patriot and supporting the cause of Liberty!
Close down the company??? Then the economy would really collapse. You irrational hatred of illegals forces you into making ridiculous statements.
james-1290752
I have an interesting theory that will only be disproved by racists. If we had spent as much money outsourcing to Mexico as we have spent outsourcing to China, Mexico's economy would be so strong that we would be jumping the border to go get jobs there.
ROMNEY, WHO REALLY CARES??????????
Hey John 737278,
I did answer you on another forum, looking forward to your response, remember?
The only thing Ron Paul has going for him is his stance on civil liberties, but his stance on government control of a women's right to choose on abortion is NOT LIBERTARIAN. I think that makes him a phony liberation pandering to the tea party and PRO CHOICE advocates, which also just plain kills his CREDIBILITY
Romney win 5 in a row, while obama defends high gas prices and other failures. Mitt the the real deal and winner. Bye Bye Barry O.
Mitt will be the 45th President of the United States. Fiesty Redhead and all you other left wing simpletons can talk all of the trash you want but the Obama gimmick will end soon:-) Will his Presidential library be in his native Kenya or near Trinity Church? Maybe the great Rev Jeremiah Wright can give a speech when the ribbon is cut!
Good Romney won in Washington State.
Now Obama can beat him in a landslide for the Presidential Election of 2012--Obama all the way!
Obama is the best President the US has ever had.
PDug19
Yes, I did answer you, I was in the middle of a Michelob. He is running as a Republican, remember? By the way, He was one of the founders of a couple of parties, and if his personal choices differ from the party view, well, isn't that party politics. Most of his views are left of the "Republican" platform, by the way. Do some research.
Hawaii2
The President has violated more of our civil rights than any President in history. If that is your standard, then you are right.
john, please list the civil rights of yours that Obama has actually violated
danwill
If I am not mistaken the SCOTUS is about to hear two or three in the bill of rights regarding the Health Care Act. Along with that is another three that directly relate to NDAA and indefinite detention of American citizens, that I am sure will make it to the SCOTUS shortly.
And it will only be a matter of time before the SCOTUS deals with the prolonging of the Patriot Act that now includes drones spying in the US.
Even though I think the things he and Congress has done are more punishable than getting a BJ in the Oval Office, the thing that just grinds on me is when the President said lately that that it would be much easier to get things done if it wasn't for the Constitution.
Now, forgive me, but isn't that the oath he took to uphold?
Hahahahaha, I just read someone saying that Mitt is the "Real Deal". hahahahaha!!! WOW thats funny!!!
Ron Paul IS winning.. he has educated millions. More and more people question government. political leaders are now questioning the fed. the federal reserve Will most likely be audited. our military will eventualy be down sized - not needed bases across the planet are being looked at for shut down. everything he stands for is being looked at by both parties. returning power to the states is even being said aloud!!!! Ron Paul is gaining power he will have a say no matter the next president. This is all good for "we the people"
Ha Ha... you people are funny arguing back and fourth... all these politicians are complete jokes, they all say what you want to hear and then do the corporations, banks, and wall streets bidding. They are a bunch of worthless puppets that make you believe you have a choice, or that they are different than one another. I do believe Ron Paul is different, but he has no chance, people are to polarized and only think in terms of right and left, and there egos.
Disappointing that Ron Paul still only gets a mere mention in the media. More disappointing that early on when there was greater opportunity, the media focused on what they determined was his radical side. Ron Paul offers a lot more as is reflected in most of the supporting comments here. More than any of the other candidates he has been a steadying influence on what has been portrayed as a circus of candidates and issues.
I voted for Ron Paul in past elections - albeit in opposition to the other candidates then. And quite frankly, unless those remaining in this race back off from some of their radicalism and actually provide a real plan for getting us back on track, I'll vote Ron Paul again.
And if Ron Paul doesn't get the nod, let's hope he goes third-party for the national election.
slave to the system 2.30
Please not so quick. I think Ron Paul can not only win the nomination. I strongly believe that he will beat Mr. Obama in a landslide victory. Then we will see real "change" in the nation; the return to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution of the United States of America.
"Lets Celebrate Santorum's lost" This is good news for the GOP and bad news for the tea retards.
I'll be fair here: Washington Caucus is non-binding. This means Paul can still get a majority of the delegates. He's claimed to have somehow rigged the system, so it'll be interesting to see how this works out.
If you're expecting perfection, you won't get it, no President can magically end all illegal border crossings. But would you settle for a President that has done more than any other? There is one candidate that has increased border security, cracked down on businesses that have hired illegals, and has deported more illegal immigrants in 3 years than GW Bush did in 8. Would you vote for someone like that?
Then your candidate is Barack Obama.
Ummm, seems deportations are down drastically and have been so ever since Obama instituted his Dream Act. Go get current news. As to border security? Please. Just as open as ever. Noticed that there was no mention of Fast and Furious. Did that escape the radar? Obama is far from being a good president or candidate. Interesting how he behaves like Bush and his supporters are too loyal and blind to see it.
Lets Celebrate Santorum's lost
I totally agree. Santorum is a clown.
Since when did Obama institute the Dream Act?
Well if Obama wins a second term it won’t be
because I didn’t do everything that I could to prevent that from happening.
Obama and this administration lie to us the American public every day. It has
become almost impossible to know what is true and what is not true. Spread the
truth. Obama and this administration prey on the uneducated and the uninformed.
Obama has become an artist at saying one thing and doing another. Obama has
been the worst most destructive president to Americans and what we believe in.
LETS LIGHT THE FIRE TO IGNITE A FREE AMERICA THAT
OUR FORFATHERS WOULD BE PROUD OF.
A FIRE THAT WOULD ENSURE THAT THE REPUBLIC STARTED
BY THE FOUNDERS OF THIS COUNTRY WILL LAST FOREVER.
A FIRE THAT WOULD LET OBAMA AND THOSE LIKE HIM
KNOW THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO LIVE IN A SOCIALIST COUNTRY.
ANYBODY BUT OBAMA 2012!!!
AMERICA IS DEPENDING ON US!!!
Apparently Mitt Romney only reads the book of Mormon, not the HOLY BIBLE,
because Jesus says you can not serve 2 masters, God or Mamom (MONEY)
Mitt is all about MONEY, not PEOPLE HE THINKS CORPORATIONS ARE PEOPLE
Ron Paul is my candidate, but I will vote for Obama against Romney
Hey James 1290752, your family jumped a fence called the Atlantic ocean!
TO: RD-889126 who wrote:
I don't think you've noticed, but Republican "talking points" and "hate speech" alone ain't working, especially with Independents such as me. We KNOW that President Obama has been more helpful to working Americans than Republicans would have EVER been.
In order for Republicans to get votes OTHER THAN their tiny base, they're gonna have to tell us a whole lot more than just what names they like to call the President of the United States.
First of all, President Obama AIN'T beholding to Grover Nordquist, nor is President Obama signed on to the "The Ryan Plan", neither of which is good for the American People.
Hope you got that.
Obama / Biden 2012
honest jo, perhaps you should start by "lighting a fire" under those that want to make the rich richer and the poor poorer
you know, those that want to reduce the taxes of the top 1% by another 20% because the 15% they are paying now is soooo unfair
Ron Paul!
That's what I don't understand about the Republicans? How is returning to George Bush's (The Republican) tax policy going to help the economy and create jobs?
Awww yes the old, "he's a repub so he is pro war" card. Ron Paul is AGAINST policing the world and AGAINST profit wars. Has stated so for many years. And whats so wrong with a person who believes you should keep what you earn and that the constitution was not meant to be warped and twisted to suit greedy politicians wants and desires.
I have been watching things develop over the last several months with respect to the Ron Paul campaign and I am encouraged to see the number of positive statements for the popularity of the Ron Paul message. The man and his family are obviously good people. I would expect to see these comments on a Ron Paul campaign site and I am pleased beyond words to see so many pro comments for Dr. Paul here. I made the decision to register as an Independent, turning away from the Democratic party in hopes of helping the Ron Paul agenda and move away from the statues quo. I have been a registered Democrat for over fifty years and I think enough is enough. I have donated to the Ron Paul campaign but can't afford much and I have never pooled any money to any other candidate with any big money donations. Even though large donations would surly help the Paul campaign, he refuses to compromise his position for big money influence on the election process. Being true to your word is a rare action in toady's standard. I will donate as much as I can afford to Ron Paul. This may mean not filling my gas tank a few times but I believe this will be a worth while sacrifice. Positive input for Ron Paul at sites like this are a good thing for this country. I think we can expect the change we were promised by Obama with Dr. Ron Paul as president. If we are determined to have change, by God we will have change. Dr. Paul as president is likely the best chance we will have, for change, short of a violent revolution in this country. Don't forget that he has the overwelming support of our troops and they are counting on us to support them. Thanks much. Ron Paul 2012.
Wait.....check those "voter registration cards" which identifies party affiliation at the door. We don't want Unions or Democrats voting in a Republican caucus, now do we ? Nah, it hasn't happened recently in other States, huh ?
Here comes Johnny....5...4...3...2...1...0.
My understanding is that anyone can vote for delegates in a caucus. Because it is the Republican nominating contest I could understand an argument for restricting registered Democrats from voting in it, but restricting voting because of union membership would be anti-democratic and unconstitutional.
Agree.....forgot end of post ---- /sarcasm/
Washington doesnt register voters by party
Ron Paul was "breech born". Never did learn to look forward.
Define 'looking forward.' If you mean that in the sense that MSNBC 'leans forward' then you might want to reconsider. Generally if you lean too far forward you fall on your face. If you don't value the Constitution, enjoy the government controlling all of your life and want less and less responsibility for your life, then 'looking forward' may be great.
Beginning to appear as though the Republican Party has given up on the presidential campaign. The GOP may be using the protracted GOP primaries to prepare for the Congressional campaigns. The primaries are providing market research for what 'sells' - and - expect Congressional candidates to be pushing those selling points. Have pity for the rubes that have been suckered into this process - for they will be the target of all the robo call campaigns.
The political battle this election cycle will be for control of the House and Senate. It is not just which party controls Congress - it is the type of politician that will be elected. Will your representation be from the lunatic fringe of either party - or - will you be represented by a more moderate politician? That is the choice the voters will make this election.
Elections are no longer about political principles. They are about targeted marketing. Be wary of the bright label on the package - because - the contents may not be that good for you.
Yes Nerm, like poison snakes, frogs, reptiles and bugs, the brighter, more attractive they are, the more dangerous they are.................You thought I was talking about women, didn't you......hummm......now that you mention it.
Nerm: ever since television campaigning, candidates are all about brighter, shinier, good-looks and popularity contests. Note that they don't need intelligence, integrity, honesty or experience. Nope, like some contestant on Dancing With the Stars or American Idol, Americans tend to elect on the basis of looks and sound-bites. The lunatic fringe of both sides screams and carries on really loud and the media follows the noise.
Exactly Nerm, it is all about focus groups and giving off the illusion that the masses actaully participate in the process.
Nerm, "I care not which presidential puppet sits upon the throne, he who controls the money supply controls the country, and I control the money supply" Rothschild
the biggest problem we have is that we have given our money supply monopoly away to the bankers and we simply need to take it back. Then we can get our finances in order along with everything else. I think
Yeah and Obama is a moderate, LOL! He is a joke just like your party. The Democrat Party is in deep trouble! Check out the battleground states and see how he is doing in the polls. There is no way he will get to 270! Mitt will take the White House and the "right wing extremists" elected by the American public will retain the House and win the Senate and have to undo the damage the left-wing "extremists" Barack HUSSEIN Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi have inflicted upon the U.S. Goodbye lefties and welcome back America!
The right wing lunatic fringe is still clinging desperately to its failed, hateful political ideology, I see. Obama continues to lead the polls against the GOP's benighted wannabes, the Republican's losers keep grabbing headlines with their childish ravings and humiliating gaffes, and the American public is turning away in disgust from the Republican Party's extremist policies and marginal politics. Still, we see their minions mindlessly parroting their hopeless predictions for a GOP victory in November that not even they believe will occur. The simple fact is the Republican Party is self destructing and they will have to face that sad fact sooner or later.
Obama will win yet again in November by another landslide. Read 'em and weep.
American13
If that happens then we the American people have not gained anything. Being extreme-left is just as bad as being extreme right. The right maybe worse for the middle class. If what you say happens then the middle class just lost big time.
There is no extreme left group in this country,only an extreme right. The right have always attempted, often with success to scare the politically uninformed. The Groups that are attempting to have needful reform are always accused of being ,reds anarchists, godless and,heaven forbid liberals. With these successful tactics,we will not receive the fair reforms that we desperately need.
There is no extreme left in this country??? Hmmm. Perhaps you should do a bit of research. Perhaps you should educate yourself as to what extremism is. Any group who refuses to compromise, who pushes for their ideology to be the ascendant ideology is extreme. The left has the eco-terrorists, the anarchists, the Marxists and Socialists. The right has the ultra-conservative Christians, the anti-abortionists and the morals police. Neither side is to be desired.
If there wasn't a far left we wouldn't have spent near a trillion dollars last year on welfare and healthcare for welfare. Had that same money been spread in the middle class it would have been put to work. Don't get me wrong, the far right is just as bad, just different pockets our money flows into.
It is nice to see so many Democrats and Independents joining the revolution. It is exactly what the country needs.
If anyone has any doubts whether Ron Paul will fight for all Americans, check out Dr Paul going after Ben Bernanke the other day for destroying average Americans wealth.
john I was watching that earlier, I love Dr. Paul so much, he makes Ben eat his words every time he speaks to him.
Paul never did finish reading the only economics text book he ever owned... He just doesn't have the business or economic sense to pour sand out of a boot
And Obama is any better Jim? Obama's business plan - spend money and go into debt, if that doesn't work spend some more.
Wife of 1SGFitzs,,,,, Does 1SGFitzs know about your secret love affair?
1SGFitzsWife4ID
I just wish more people understood what he is referring to. I think if most people understood that the FED printing money has caused a green pepper to go from 15 cents in 1980 to a dollar now, or that even though you made $50,000 in 2011, and the FED devalued it by 15%, there would be massive marches to shut it down or at minimum control it.
John, no one cares about the Fed or government debts. The only thing us Americans care about is basketball, drinking alcohol, and watching dancing with the stars.
Jim-372206
He is still better than a President that taught constitutional law that violates it.
Oh, yes, do vote for Ron Paul, it's his turn to win!
I'm looking forward to the chaos of a brokered convention, and hopefully an independent run by Paul, so the Teapublicans can have their own "Nader" problem.
Moonbase you forgot Paul in your description.
moonbaseGOP
You might like to know that you are rooting for the underdog. What I find especially interesting is the number of registered democrats jumping from the sinking ship.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Yes jim he does, just like he knows about my secret love affair with General Petraeus, my husband is yet another military person who will be voting for Dr. Paul. Like I said your hatred of Dr. Paul will not dissuade us for voting for him, just like your ignorance will keep you from voting for him.
Moonbase always leaves out Dr. Paul he knows he has no leg to stand on there.
The thing is since the media leaves Dr. Paul out or does not comment about him makes people do their own research on him.Then they find out on their own what Dr Paul is all about and his ideas make more sense than any of the other candidates. So WE paul supporters cannot be swayed to change our minds. We don't depend on the MSM for our information.We go get it on our own. We also don't let the MSM tell us who is electable and who is not we decide for our selves. More of America should do the same and this would be a whole different election.
Why does everyone always leave out the fact Ron Paul was the only candidate for president who answered the call when his country ask him to serve, even though he had a wife and two children. Of all the candidates, Ron Paul has proven his love of Country.
Ellis - Yes Ron Paul did serve but by his own words he said "he never saw action"
Barbara, that is the biggest asinine statement of the day.
Barbara Dr. Paul might not have seen "action" but he did work to save the lives of those who did, are you playing stupid on purpose?
Mitt Romney is not who you want to send to Washington.. he is self serving. He is only interested in how he can make more money and he does not care about all Americans. If you don't believe me just ask the common people in Massachusetts. He will rob you blind, have you working for pennies on the dollar, have every female bare foot and pregnant, He will make sure you do not have any workers rights and if you get laid off you will not be receiving unemployment benefits.. Forget retiring, you won't have any money to even put in to an IRA for that. He is only interested in the rich and pandering to the ones who will make him richer. Is this what you want for our country? Is it?
YES!!! Mitt Romney is Mormon. Mormons care about their families and other Mormons. Anything goes to do to the rest of us. Mormons in general have a long history of treating women and especially people of color terrible. Please think before you vote. It would be rampant discrimination. More money for the Mormon church.
couldn't have said it better joy57111
- look at this
Mormons aren't like that at all. Did you know they have on of the best humanitarian programs in the world? Some of the first responders to Hurricane Katrina, Haiti, and Japan were the Mormons. You know what else Mormons have? A good moral system. It's nice to see a candidate who doesn't have affairs and scandals attached to his name. He loves his wife, been married once, and has 16 grandchildren. If you believe in the separation of church and state, then his religion shouldn't even matter. Sad that the only thing you can find against him is his belief system. I think we need to think before we let you vote.
Dr Paul hasn't won anything yet, and isn't likely to win anywhere. Dr Paul proudly displays a totally absurd intellect, incapable of grasping the realities of time as It presents Itself today. Otherwise he's probably harmless.
I'm not much on religion, especially since I have studied it with considerable interest. Toward that, I contend "Mormonism" remakes that biblical jawbone of an ass into a full blown ass of "traditional Christianity". The two are as compatible as a meal of beans and arsenic.
Relating to your "Mormonism" comment, please explain.
DavenDale #6.23: Catholicism and Protestantism indeed adhere to certain Dogma, based on requirements of the administration of certain rites, that while different, display relative characteristics. Differences are mostly, of amounts, origins, and ownership of those rites. While one might have to whittle some of the pieces, these differences can be made to fit within the interpretive picture claimed. Rites of Mormonism, and dogma, birthing those rites are so far removed from the former as to be religiously heretical, from It's claimed revelations of discovery through it's battery of modern day required and accepted rites and dogma of today.
It always amuses me when I hear Romney associated with the decent God-fearing virtues. Romney and Moral system; it doesn't add up. I know republicans tend to support deception and lies as a normal way of life; however, his belief system you profoundly focus upon is based upon lies. That's why the republican party is in peril today. Their lies have become home to many foreign spirits -- States Rights Racists -- Tea Party Bigots -- and now financially elite would be Mormon rulers. What a mess.
How many videos of him are posted across the globe showing that he is a serial liar? Therefore, how can you tell me that this man is spiritually moral? He acts as though he's for the mexican immigrant because his father was born in Mexico but they fled America because they wanted to practice poligamy (having many wives).
How is his belief system moral? He doesn't even come clean about the GM bailout or for that matter anything that would bear credence to our current president. Does not the scriptures demand truth? You tout having a single wife as being a symbol of presidential credibility. However, fail to see the man that relinquished his humanitarism by choosing professional lies as a mode of business. He has decided to place money before integrity and honor.
Romney sold his soul a long time ago for money. He's not interested in governing; he only wants more money and power.
He denounced something he believed in prior simply because his skeptical political party requires him to distance himself from doing a Christian thing and you say that he is moral? He's acting just like biblical Balaam did with the Midianites; he also chose riches over God's instruction and was destroyed because of spiritual disobedience. He may have been a God fearing man at some point in his life but those days are long gone now.
I see a man with one wife who will not accept the King James Bible as the single book of salvation as immoral. His beliefs? Mormons believe that they will receive a better celestial kingdom in heaven than all others including fellow 'God-fearing' Christians. That's right, mormons believe in the elite manner that other Christians are not worthy of their place in eternity; just a celestial level or two below.
He requires that a mormon baptism be added as God's acceptance of salvation. Therefore, unless you are baptised according to their rules, you cannot be accepted into their "true" kingdom of heaven. This rationale is caste based and cursed. Jesus never based salvation on baptism. No where in the bible is baptism required to inherit salvation; so, why are mormons obsessed with this?
After much consideration, I have come to find that Mitt is a serial liar with a convoluted sense of God. Yes, he does have one wife and 16 grandchildren but does that alone qualify him for the Presidency of the United States of America?
No matter how many corporations he feels are people. No matter what he supported then but denounces now. He has not virtue worthy of leading Christians and non-Christians. Sad that you cannot see beyond the things you mentioned but willfully overlook the truth and give him a pass.
john, what I find funny is that those democrats are "strategically" voting for santorum in order to help the unelectable fool win the nomination. (and "slick sanitarium" IS a fool)
I don't personally agree with the tactic. I do think it should be "best man(or woman) wins", but the republicon field really stinks this year
My post was not about those that chose to jump party to vote. My post was about how the number of registered Democrats has declined since 2008. And above that how much it has declined substantially in the last few months.
Disenchanted?
moonbaseGOP your a clueless person. I would vote for a bum before voting for President Obama. My favorite candidate is Newt Gingrich. The Speaker has the experience needed to get our house back in order. Sanatorium is a right-wing nut job that is one of those big spenders who likes his pork. Mit Rombulan states he has business experience, but if you really think about what the Rombulan did for Bain capital, it's the same as someone running a junk yard. It's not hard to buy a business that is failing and scrap it, which is something like an old car on its last leg that needs to scrapped. Well the junk man buys your failing car (in the Rombulan's case, it's a business), the junk man then pulls the engine and other good parts from the car (just a metaphor for a company being parted out) and then sells those parts to a willing buyer (which is similar to the assets from a failing company). The only difference between a junk man and Mit Rombulan, is the junk man is creating jobs parting out these cars as whereas the Rombulan is wiping out companies and people are losing there jobs. I call Mit Rombulan a Junk Yard Dog. That's why when the Rombulan was the Governor of Massachusetts, this state was rated, one of the bottom two states out of 50, in which this state was not creating any jobs. As far as voting for Ron Paul, he does have some good ideals, but Dr. Paul needs to rethink his foreign policy.
-Mac Forrester, Thank you for the explanation.
-Chuck-414139
I do not believe all that Romney seeks is money and power, to me, he seems patriotic, as well as a business man with political experience, just what our country needs.
I assume you are a good misinformed Christian person. You're views on the Mormons are entirely skewed, I would encourage you to visit www.mormon.org so you don't have to live with much more confusion. Hope it helps!
#6.30
Please, PLEASE spare us endless negative campaign commercials! I thankfully am usually on the internet where I can avoid politics if I want to but my mother usually watches TV to wind down after her long shifts at the ER.
Ya'll have been campaigning for a year at least. Is there ANYTHING left to be said at this point?
We can get rid of 3/4s of the negative adds and Robo calls by NOT voting for Mitt Romney.
Romney's going to have big problems in Washington,,,, the trees aren't the same size
Got that right. We have some very tall and big around trees here. But it doesn't matter who wins here, they have already handed Obama his second term.
And the mouth piece of the pugbags just gave Obama more votes when he called women slut's and whores because they use the birth control pill.
The party that just keeps giving, and giving votes to Obama. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
Moonbase has his head in the stars.
Better than Obama's basic principles to bankrupt America ....
It was funny to see GOP talking about separation of Church and State. Normally they are the ones imposing their crappy religious views on us.
Also, separation of Church and State doesn't mean separation of Hospital and State or University and State. So I don't understand why religious Hospitals etc can't be required to pay for contraceptives.
don't elect "Slick Sanitarium"
None of them will talk economic issues... They lose on economic issues, foreign policy issues, domestic jobs issues & national security issues
OBAMA-BIDEN ----- TAKING AMERICA FORWARD
If I wanted the govt in my womb, I would f a US Senator. Gotta love that true statement that sign in OK had.
Jim, under Obama 152 million people pay no federal income taxes. You mean to tell me that they can not pay 1.00 in taxes. How is that taking America forward.
Mtex, how simpleton of you. Take your clowns and ride away in your clown car republicans.
@Mtex
Were those 152 million people paying taxes in 2008?
funny how those that are bitching about people not paying income taxes (and Blaming Obama) fail to note the little fact that it was Bush and the Republican controlled house and senate that created that particular problem with their big tax cuts
Mtex, under this economy those people do not pay. If employers raise their wages a large percentage of them will start paying taxes again. The rest that truly are poor (3 to 10%) will still not pay taxes but the poor never have anyway.
All four of these candidates should take an extende viagra vacation to the Dominican Republican with Rush !
Nah, wouldn't work. Rush would hog all the drugs - especially the Viagra.
Rush was carrying viagra and condoms on a business trip that was exclusively male attendants.
Is Rush a log cabin republican?
Just asking, it would not bother me 1 bit, just pointing out his hateful hypocracy.
My bet is they will just bitch about the Birth Control Pill that President Eisenhower & V.P. Nixon gave to millions of American women
They can't talk economics anymore now that they selected "Wall Street Bail Out Romney" ---- The GOP destroys their own economic message & 4 years of stupid rhetoric against Big Government Bail Outs... That was the only reason they took over the House
Birth control, guns, god, and gays, side issues the politicians use to distract us from the really big happenings and divide and conquer us all.
This is true of only THREE of the candidates.
Alan,
It's amazing how many vote against their own economic interests. We can't eat guns, abortion, religion and homosexuality, and you forgot one that applies towards the current president, racism.
I know life long Democrats who voted Republican last election, but said if Hilary would have been the nominee they would have voted for her. LOL. Nothing to do with issues, which President and Hilary had minimal differences.
Racism is a powerful emotion, it makes you devoid of common sense, decency, and reality.
I'm a Libertarian PDug and I would've voted for Hillary last election.... Just sayin.
I voted for Bill Clinton his second term, personal issues aside he did what he needed to, to make both sides work together (he had the same kind of congress/senate that President Obama does now) the difference is Clinton MADE them work together and it was to the betterment of our country, I believe Dr. Paul can do the same thing.
1sgFitzswife4id,
To say that Clinton had the same kind of Congress that Obama has is looking through rose colored glasses. There were republicans that were more liberal then some Democrats and some Democrats more conservative than some Republicans, which gave a over-lap and room for negotiations, there were MODERATES. The moderates in the Republican party have been silenced or forced to resign, case in point Olympia Snowe. as the GOP has moved to an extreme far right position. No compromise, its their way or the highway, the reason for Olympia Snowe's resignation.
So what we have today is completely different, there is NO moderates. There is no Republican more liberal than any Democrat and no Democrat more conservative than any liberal, they is no middle ground !!!! So this is why we have such polarization. You can thank the Tea Party for that, as they now own the Republican Party and our pushing out and moderate Republican left, moderate republicans NEED NOT APPLY.
When the Senate Minority leader made the statement the first day of President Obama's win, that HIS and the GOP only goal was to MAKE PRESIDENT OBAMA A ONE TERM PRESIDENT, that set the tone for the last 3 years.
President Obama bent over backwards to find middle ground and actually moved so far right on some issues that he pissed off his own base, trying to find compromise. He offered a 10 to 1 spending cuts to revenue and they turned that down and every GOP candidate for President said they would.
If you could have voted for Hiliary you sure could have voted for President Obama as he is not as far left as Hiliary on most issues. Actually President Obama is a moderate and pragmatic.
The GOP has never been willing to work with this President ON ANYTHING. There were actually bills that were GOP bills that when President Obama said he agreed ed with, the actual author of the bill voted AGAINST his own bill because the Obama was for it.
I like Ron Paul's views on civil liberties, except his hypocritical view on abortion, lol, that don't make sense for a true libertarian. His views on economics and foreign affairs our outdated and not realistic in my view.
lol, I should have proof read, my grandson wanted my attention.
Should have read:
To say that Clinton had the same kind of Congress that Obama has is looking through rose colored glasses. There were republicans that were more liberal then some Democrats and some Democrats more conservative than some Republicans, which gave a over-lap and room for negotiations, there were MODERATES, there was MIDDLE GROUND.
So what we have today is completely different, there is NO moderates. There is no Republican more liberal than any Democrat and no Democrat more conservative than any republican, they is no middle ground !!!!
this is where you shot yourself in the foot we don't have to read any farther. But I'll appease you.
There ARE plenty of moderates, let me guess you say things like I seen it too.
This is completely false and you know it, but go ahead and try to spin it, Nancy was still the minority leader when President Obama took office, y'all lost your asses in 2010. I'm not a Republican, so I can agree with some of what you say. You really should work on your grammar though so you don't look like a moron.
Bill Clinton had to fight every step of the way to get anything done, he got a LOT done in our country, he didn't have any moderates he had a congress and senate much like President Obama's the difference? he didn't bow down to them. (btw I'm not a Democrat either) The American people were so wrapped up in what he was doing in his private life that they weren't paying attention to what he was doing for our lives, you know, the @!$%# that actually mattered.
1SGFitzsWife4ID
What is completely false? Mitch McConnell was the Senate Minority leader, is famous for saying his only goal was to make President Obama a one-term president.
Let's educate you, actually Nancy Pelosi was the Speaker of the House when President Obama took office.
As far as the knowing the composition of Congress. You are wrong!!!! and ignorant, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Name a republican in the senate that is more liberal than any democratic senator today. LOL
BTW, you should work on your facts, you look like a Moron.
1SGFitzsWife4ID
p.s. You also assumed I'm a democrat with the proper grammar, Y'All LOL . Assumption is the mother of all @!$%# Ups.
1SGFitzsWife4ID People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, in reference to your Moron comment. LOL
Looking forward to your reply, something tells me I won't get one, LOL
PDug19
I have a question. You seem to have been around for a while having a grandson and all.
If the divisiveness of the parties has created an environment where Congress is so polarized that nothing can be accomplished (my opin stated in 14.4), who is to say which side is right when most of the public plays into their game and elects the same polarizing figures to Congress?
We have seen this over and over again in the last few elections, and the only difference I see is who's pockets our money flows in to. And while there are somewhat noble intentions sometimes, it has left us broke and dysfunctional. Do we need to vote farther left, farther right, or a third party? Somehow, I don't see our supposed representative government ever representing the 80% in the middle again.
Hello John,
I have looked at some of your posts and know you are a Ron Paul fan. Should I want to waste my time with someone who believes in the fantasy of Ron Paul who would never be elected President of the United States or anyone who had his views. Like I have said before Ron is a FAKE libertarian with his agreement of government control of abortion. I do like his views on civil liberties, except like is said his pandering to the far right on government control of abortion. His views on economics and foreign policy are dangerous. Ron Paul will not be the nominee, or a third party nominee either. If he was a third party nominee, he would have zero chance of winning.
Soooo, having to deal with reality, the only two party's viable in the 2012 elections, the democratic party and the republican party, this is a no brainer . The party of NO the Republican party has revealed itself to the American people to be against women's healthcare, gays, abortion, contraception, immigration. unions, teachers, firefighters, police, Hispanics,blacks, the poor, and the middle class is enough proof who 98% of Americans should vote for. Can you pick up on what I am laying down?
PDug19
I actually asked you a simple question and did not receive an answer. Instead you insult me. I don't think I deserved that.
You don't believe in "our" constitutional rights being stripped? Patriot Act, Health care bill, NDAA
Let me set a few thing straight since you will not research them for yourself.
Ron Paul has been backed up by higher ups in the CIA and even by the head of Israel as far as his foreign policy.
Doesn't think it is the governments business to get involved in women's health care nor anyone's.
Thinks it is none of the governments business regarding sexual orientation.
He protects the Constitutional rights of the unborn.
He thinks the hispanics are being made to be scapegoats for the economy.
Has the back of all Americans not wanting to have every dollar they earn to be worth 85 cents because of the printing press.
You laid down a whole crapload of things that are absolutely false about Ron Paul, and if you bothered to research the man, and listened to him speak you would know this instead of listening to MSM.
It only took a third of the population to start our war for independence, perhaps you should take a look around and wonder whether we are approaching the same situation and whether you have chosen the right side. You don't know me, so please don't treat me like a child. I am most likely older than you.
I asked you an honorable and reasonable question.
John,
I answered your question, cannot you not read? I gave you the many reasons why that the only party for 98% of americans right now is the Democratic party, is the answer something you cannot accept? Sorry!
There is no one in the government or CIA that thinks Ron Paul's isolationism position is sane.
In an Oct. 27, 1999 speech to Congress, Ron Paul said:
Doesn't sound if Ron Paul thinks government should NOT be involved in abortion. It's one thing to disagree with Abortion and another to think the government should be involved. A FAKE libertarian LIKE I SAID.
The Gold standard is not possible. The Dollar is the gold standard. If we went back to the gold standard, simply put, there would not be enough money for the country to function and there would not be enough money for the economy and business and any country that had the most GOLD would have control and manipulate. It's not even a sane concept. Do some research on the Great Depression, the reason the US and the rest of the world to quit the Gold Standard. Going back to the Gold standard is laughable. The American dollar is the gold standard and what needs to be done is to control the banks and the Fed. You need to do some research on the
Gold Standard, its not possible or something that any economist e would want.
Trust me I don't get all my sources from MSN, but I will say they have the most factual information of any cable news.
Try out this website for site with facts. I use all six of these sites
http://www.vikitech.com/454/get-your-facts-right-6-fact-checking-websites-that-help-you-know-the-truth
John,
I want you to know that I clicked on your name and viewed several posts you have made before responding. I knew your Ron Paul love affair from your posts, and I replied in that vain.
The only thing most Americans like about Ron Paul is his stance on civil liberties which actually are the same views of the Democratic party except Ron Paul's position on Abortion where he fails as a true Liberation. If Ron had a sane economic and foreign policy he would be competitive. The polls back me up, its not my opinion.
Former Head of the CIA bin Laden task force endorsing Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
The Democratic party is not 98% of Americans like you believe, it is less than 33%, in fact no President has been reelected with less than 46% approval.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
He is against abortion, and I will give you that one, but the fact of the matter is that he believes in protecting the Constitutional rights of the unborn. As far as contraception goes he said as late as today that it is silly for the government to be involved.
Why Ron Paul is correct about the FED
Think of it in terms of a stock split.
Take a dollar bill, tear it in half, that is what happens every time the FED doubles the money supply. Except, they give fifty cents of your money to special interest, cronies, finance wars, or foreign powers.
Tear your 50 cents in half again.
And again.
Now you have 12.5 cents. That is why a green pepper in 1980 cost 12.5 cents and now it is a dollar, and it has nothing to do with how much we pay the sun to shine. The dollar is backed up by the full force of America, which as it turns out is the US citizens. Backed up through taxation. And because our government can't tax us 100% because it would destroy the economy, it is added as debt.
What is the point of earning 7-10% on investments, while at the same time the FED is devaluing your money by 15%?
It is not carrying around gold. It is about the FED printing money that devalues yours. If you had $200,000 in the bank at the end of 2010, it is now worth $170,000 in buying power. That is real money. And it is his intention to make the bleeding stop.
You replied before I did. I think you are mistaken. Most in the military agree with Ron Paul, even military contractors. It was not published much, but look up the military marching on the White House and them turning their back in support of Paul.
John,
The former head of the CIA is the FORMER head of the CIA. I know who this guy is and he is political and extreme in his thinking and not credible in most circles except Fox news. I wasn't born yesterday, lol I have been around myself, you are not dealing with some ideolog. I voted for Reagan and Obama. I do now regret my vote for Reagan because of his "Starve the Beast Strategy, google it.
Why do you put words in my mouth, I didn't say that 98% of Americans ARE democrats. I said if 98% of Americans voted in their BEST economic INTEREST they would vote Democratic in this day and time.
He is correct on the FED how??? I said myself it's not the American Dolllar standard that is the problem, it's controlling the Banks and the FED, so what do you mean. Tell me what Ron Paul wants to use instead of the dollar? What does he want to do with the FED. I only hear him bashing the FED and wanting to go back to the Gold standard. Just what is his solutions for the FED. I asked you to read about the Gold Standard and the Great Depression. Google that please, it might help you understand how Ron is out to lunch on the stance of the Gold Standard.
To say the military agrees with Ron Paul is laughable, sorry. Give me an example of any military general or commander that agree with Ron Paul isolationism policy. You will not find one. You cannot ignore the rest of the world and think that would keep this country safe, that's insane. I spent a little time in the military, I am a Vietnam vet and I only tell you that to let you know I have maybe a little more knowledge of the military than someone that has not served
A few things that you may not know in your infinite wisdom.
During the Great depression, the government demanded that all gold be turned in, At around $25 an ounce under penalty of a $10,000 fine and time in prison. One year later, our government that you trust so much started selling gold for $35 and ounce. Precious metals have value whether you agree or not.
The former head of the CIA task force for bin Laden is simply that, former because he did not agree with the administrations.
If 98% voted for their best economic interest, they would be voting for Paul. Reason being that if Paul can at least stop the FED from printing new money, they would have $1 for every dollar earned instead of 85 cents. I find it hard to believe you can't do math.
Actually, it is too late and I am tired, but many generals have agreed with Paul, of course not while employed by the government. And it is not me but I have seen a few threats stating "we can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way" directed at the President. As a vet, I would hope that you would take that seriously and listen to other vets or active military. An interesting thing I read last week was after our President apologized for our soldiers burning the Kuran, new "rules of engagement" came down from the top that kept our soldiers from protecting themselves against enemy combatants because it posed a political problem. As a Vietnam Vet, and all the stories that have floated around, does it bother you that our soldiers are cannon fodder?
John,
This about Andrew Sullivan the conservative blogger who endorsed Ron Paul and then retracted. Here is a story that will help you understand my position on Ron Paul and also may enlighten you on Ron's view of foreign policy and how wacko it is, from pulling out of NATO, no foreign Aid etc. He hates when he is called an isolationist, but that defines his position on foreign policy. He likes to be referred to as an non-interventionist. lol. Just don't cut it sorry. Please read this article.
Check this out: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/isolationism-redux-via-ron-paul/2011/12/30/gIQA9GI3WP_story.html
How about this. We saved Europes arse in WWII. You lead for a while while we replenish our coffers! Suck it up, our supposed allies and pay your fair share for your security.
You and a lot of people in the US think we owe it to the world. I believe we spread democracy so those that we spread it to can spread it themselves. They have formidable militaries. Let them pay the price.
What a false argument. We don't owe anyone anything.
John,
You are not getting it!!! lol. WE OWE IT TO OURSELVES!!! For Example, If we would have not entered WWII, Hitler would have taken over England and Europe and then would have come for us! That was his master plan. That is a FACT.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2032699/What-Nazis-invaded-America-Maps-published-1942-Life-issue-detailed-plans-Hitler-invasion-U-S.html
It is about protecting our OWN interests. President Obama's is not a NEOCON and his foreign policy is a far cry from the GOP past and is balanced reasonable approach using intervention as a last resort, and doesn't like the unilateral approach of George Bush. If John McCain was in office, we would be in IRAN for sure by now, still in IRAQ and Afghanistan, Syria, and who knows where else.
The argument is NOT FALSE, Ron Paul's approach is dangerous to the safety of this Country for the very reason of your argument of WWII. If Ron Paul was president in WWII we might now be saying HEIL Hitler!
John, out of curiosity, can I ask how old you are? I am guessing 20-25. If so I am glad to see you are so involved and care about politics in this country, even though we don't agree we are having a discussion and that's what's really important. In my day kids 20-25 never got involved in politics.
PDug19
I don't think you get it. We are broke.
We have not won a war since WWII. The problem is how we fight them. If we are to go to war, we should go to win, and how you do that is annihilate them and force them into submission. That is exactly what Paul says our foreign policy should be, and I have no doubt whatsoever, if he sent troops to war it would be won quickly and decisively, not lasting decades.
A lot of people think he is weak, but I think he is right that we should go back to being the sleeping giant at least until our books are in order.
By the way, I am 48 with 3 grown children, and if there is anything I can do to keep them from having to pay for the mistakes of everyone that voted before them, and have nothing in the end, I will do.
I didn't think we should have invaded IRAQ and either did President Obama for that matter. President Obama's view of foreign policy is much closer to Ron Paul's then any GOP candidate that is for sure. President Obama's budget reduces military spending, closes bases in Europe just like Ron Paul would do and cuts defense spending.
President Obama did exactly that in Libya, It was quick, cheap, cost less than 1 day of the cost of IRAQ and Afghanistan, not one American life lost and went in with many allies, not unilaterally. Ron Paul was against that.
I don't think Ron Paul is weak, I think he lives in a fantasy land and can't see the forest for the trees, like WWII for example. There are consequences for a isolationist approach. It sounds so good on paper, but the reality is even more ugly.
I also know that Ron Paul has no intentions of being the President of the United States, he is running to spread a MESSAGE, he has said as much and will not be the nominee.
So out of curiosity, who you going to vote for? President Obama is much closer to Ron Paul's view of foreign policy, and civil liberties.
I won't vote for anyone in Congress or the President that signed NDAA taking Americans right to due process away. It is simply a line I can't cross morally. I can't stand the other GOP candidates because I doubt their intensions for becoming President, for gain and power rather than to help the country. And none of them will deal with our debt.
So, I will write Paul in.
So by wasting your vote you would be willing to take the chance that the GOP would gain power knowing they do not have most Americans best interest at heart. I remember now that we had a discussion a while back on NDAA, and legally it will not be used against an American in this country and has not been. That being said though not voting for the reason of NDAA is small minded don't you think. If we turn into a theology as Santorum would like, or spend more on defense spending like MItt , Newt and Santorum who all have a NEOCON mentality, who love war, that's kinda cutting off your nose to spite our face isn't it. That's not even talking about domestic issues that would be PRO 1%.
I do trust President Obama, and he will bring down the debt if the American people vote out the party of NO. He has offered to cut the budget with a balanced approach. Do some research on budget deficits since Ronald Reagan and you will see what Party balances budgets. Also google "Starve the Beast" and you will see WHY we have huge budget deficits. It's the strategy put in place by Ronald Reagan and taken to a new level by George W. Bush and the current Presidential candidates would double down on this strategy which has purposely created deficits and has brought this country to its knees. Please google Starve the Beast
We don't have the luxury this day and time to cast a meaningless vote, to send a message. It's about Reality and consequences.
Just because the President says he won't use the law, doesn't mean some whack job President in the future won't. Or if there was social unrest, as I could see in the future, that he wouldn't.
I have to wonder, in the future, what will be considered terroristic and how it will be defined. If it will be defined as my voicing an opinion against my government, Have I not lost my right to free speech? If I have lost my right to free speech, have I not lost my right to protest illegal search and seizure? If I have lost my right to free speech, have I not lost my right to practice my religion of choice? All of these rights are contingent upon having the right to due process, and I have serious concerns that people in this country simply don't care about what they are losing. They get all up in arms about interfering with the internet, but most don't even know about NDAA
I don't think these ideas of a possible outcome are small minded. In fact, I think more people should be questioning why our government now holds our rights so cheap.
So, no, I don't see it as a wasted vote. I see it as a vote for principle.
I hope you change our mind, because a write in vote would be ignoring the reality of a Newt, Mitt, or Rick Presidency, which would undermine our civil liberties in many more ways.
I hope you make a choice that counts. We must cast a vote that will instantly send at message and have instant ramifications. If you think that a vote for principle is more important than dealing with reality, you deserve anything bad that the GOP would do. You then should never open your mouth again on the issues. You have no write to condemn anyone if you place a meaningless vote. A vote for Ron Paul is a wasted vote, no different than not voting. I would bet money that Ron Paul will vote for President Obama, as he is closer his views on most issues. eI cannot imagine Ron Paul vote for any GOP presidential candidate, if he did he would be a hypocrite.
Personally, I hope if his delegate strategy doesn't work, he would walk out of the convention with his delegates. And run third party. Every time he has been asked whether he would, he has said that he doesn't want to, it doesn't mean he wouldn't.
And there is already a platform out there where he might end up on the ballot anyway. And they are already on quite a few states ballots in November.
http://www.americanselect.org/candidates
Ron Paul will NOT run as a third party candidate, doing so will kill his son's political future in the GOP. Why do you think Ron Paul has not made one negative comment towards Romney in a debate. It's almost sickening.
John, I do hope you cast a vote that will count, even if you decide the GOP is your way to go. If not, like I said you must keep your mouth shut about what happens the next four years. I told my kids soon after the President was elected that the GOP is not the party of my generation or their grandfathers. I realized after Mitch McConnell said his number one goal for the next four years was to make President Obama a one term president that we were in serious trouble and the GOP was moving farther and farther to the right and after 2010 Koch brothers Tea Party gained power in state and national offices that the 2012 elections were going to be the most important election of my lifetime and theirs, and NOW that's a fact. If the GOP takes power in 2012, I will seriously consider leaving this country, i am being serious. I have a lot of real-estate and hope I could sell it and leave before it's de-valued any further than the George Bush administration policies devalued it. A GOP controlled congress and Presidency is about the scariest thing I can think of. Imagine Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Grover Norquest, the Koch brothers and the 1%, having even more power and influence. Nothing could be more scary.
Good Luck John! You seem like a very sensible guy. Enjoyed our discussion. The best for you and yours!
You too!
Wow you guys need a room.
hey jollyouldsoul
What are you not use to seeing a real and civil debate on these forums? lol Did we bore you? ha ha Just read some of your posts, I see why you don't get it. To much thought , to much information and too much research for you. lol
To all the Ron Paul lovers:
Be careful what you wish for. Love is always strongest before the marriage. Its after that you begin to notice all of the irritating things she does and the pimples on her ass. Before marriage, you're in love with the idea of being married to this person. After marriage, you find out if you are actually in love with the person enough to STAY MARRIED.
Rather than blindly love what Dr. Paul (or ANY candidate) says, ask yourself what this country will look like if all of Dr. Paul's ideas were to come to fruition. Darwinian capitalism of the type not seen since Victorian England, a withdrawal from the world leaving dangerous power vacuums that China and terrorist movements would love to exploit, an all out attack on a financial system (including the Federal Reserve) that, for all its problems, has created the greatest accumulations of wealth among individuals and companies, and the greatest middle class, in the history of the world BY FAR.
Think clearly before you commit to jettison almost everything this country has created to this point. The world is in a constant state of equilibrium, massive forces pushing against each other like the tectonic plates beneath the continents, that occasionally slip and create significant historical events. By deliberately destabilizing this equilibrium Dr. Paul's policies have the potential to create cataclysmic results which cannot be fully foreseen, and most likely will make the United States less prosperous and less secure. This is sometimes called the law of unintended consequences.
Rather than fall in love with the idea of destroying the system in order to remake it, think about trying to influence the system that exists. Things exist as they are for a reason--for better or worse it works. What Dr. Paul is suggesting MAY NOT WORK. What then? Are all of you willing to put at risk what currently exists to try to create some ideal system, based on ideas that are not thought through, suggest a dangerous naivete about economic and political realities, and are championed by an individual representative from a VERY small district in the Texas countryside?
Please continue to enthusiastically participate in the political process, and by all means support Dr. Paul. Just don't make the same mistake you accuse other of--blindly and unquestioningly supporting a political system or individual. We've already got that, and we at least KNOW WHAT WE'VE GOT.
I'd love to hear any Paul supporters' reasoned responses.
To me what you are saying is equivalent to endorsing extortion. You're saying keep the corrupt system as it is because that's the way things have happened or else. Or else if you don't keep the system you're going to pay.
Thank you for your analysis on Ron Paul though. I believe most Americans feel the same way you do about Ron Paul, that he would be disruptive and destructive.
I say we have an economy as powerful as it is in spite of the Fed and the government debts. The Fed and the Federal Government are like an anchor thrown overboard when you're trying to get somewhere.
Let me guess who, syntax, metaphor, we,ve got now, don't have no more, country patriot. You were at one time, a Democrat establishment voter whip in your village, until you matured and stop having fun with uterus .Then you found out the food stamps, bailouts, and job industries were the same if were to become a republican establishment election whip in your village.
Fromewerk what are you taking about?
Fromewer and Get your head ooya, who would you vote for?
Good analysis, furazz, you've pinpointed the reasons why Paul won't win the Presidency, and why he's unlikely to do better than 2nd in any state. Still, I'd like to see him win at least one state, just for the confusion it would cause among the Teapublicans.
The great genius of our Constitution is the way it divides up Government power, preventing any crazy fool with bad ideas from causing too much damage, so even in the unlikely even that Paul won the Presidency, he wouldn't be able to do too much damage - and he might even set a Presidential record for most vetos overturned...
See, Alan here proves my point when he says, "I do say let the banking system fail however."
Could a more ignorant statement ever be made? Clearly Alan has no concept of what that would mean. An example of the banking system failing occurred in this country in 1929. The misery and suffering of families and children was catastrophic. The country did not emerge from that nightmare for over a generation. So Alan is suggesting it is necessary to risk destroying this country in order to 'save it'.
And Alan tosses around a comment like this as simply as though he was discarding the trash. This is a big reason why most American's are not taking Dr. Paul's ideas seriously.
When the economy slows down, folks do tend to look for alternatives and focus on the negative, spawning interest in alternative candidates like Dr. Paul. They also tend to forget the magnificent prosperity reaped by the United States for the last 100 years. Why allow (or more correctly in Dr. Paul's case, force) the failure of any system that has helped create such a great and powerful country, and that provides the economic security we all take for granted?
No, Alan, I am not "endorsing extortion", nor have I said anything that equates to "keeping the corrupt system" (a premise I do not share). The current system is not corrupt, although it does have corrupt aspects and corrupt people within it. In other words, our system reflect human nature. Since the system is not perfect (nor could it ever be), I am suggesting Dr. Paul's supporters work to influence the system in a direction they consider positive.
The idea would be to attack the corruption, rather than destroy the system. Because the system has undeniably worked more successfully than any other system ever devised by mankind--BY FAR. These are the facts. Unfortunately, Ron Paul supporters, as exemplified by Alan here, either aren't interested in facts or aren't aware of them. That's a HUGE problem in a representative democracy.
I would suggest Dr. Paul's ideas, and his supporters, would be taken more seriously by the American people if they confronted the FACTS that exist in the world, rather than focusing on some ideal. The latter is more characteristic of a "movement", i.e. the desire to change the world, rather than a serious effort to relate to how the world "is". America has seen hundreds of these micro-movements (anyone remember Ross Perot and the Reform Party way back in the 1990's?), none of which have ever broken through.
It would be a shame to waste all of the positive energy that exists around the Paul campaign. Adjust your sights to the current reality and change it for the better. When Dr. Paul inevitably announces the withdrawal of his candidacy, have a plan to continue to work to change our system for the better.
Its Dick Fromewerk, Alan and if you understood the above from Getur, you must be voting for the uterus fringe Repub. or Dem. candidate. Our countries problems stem from the same ole, same ole ,and now 16 trillion reasons more. Ron Paul the only candidate left that has not switched the debate back to the same ole, two party, uterus smoke screen. Ron Paul has platform which contrast the others same ole party jumping candidates.
First of all Paul will not be able to do all of what you are saying unless the congress is backing him. But it will change the direction that we are going in and perhaps will let our leaders know that we want our country back to for the people by the people.Not for the corporations.We want our rights back that they have taken away little by little.Right now congress has declared war on the middle class.If we don't do something to change their priorities then the middle class will dissappear.
Geturheadoutofurazz!
I've been following Dr. Paul for many years, I know his weaknesses and his strengths (no one ever agrees with a candidate 100%) I love him for his consistency will everything he says work? No, not immediately but that's the point he's been trying to make. Everything won't happen the day he takes office, and anyone who believes otherwise is wearing rose colored glasses, BUT the things he can change the first day are the reasons I'm voting for him.
He got the FED FINALLY at least partially audited and look what we found? Can you imagine if we got it fully audited? Freddie and Fanny will finally have to account for themselves. Our soldiers will truly come home, not this bs that President Obama is handing us. We will finally be the non-interventionists that our country SHOULD be, not the policemen of the world. We will finally get to keep our money here at home and not have to borrow to pay the rest of the world.
Dr. Paul, even though he has his own beliefs, doesn't want to invade MY uterus, or my bedroom. We believe in this cause, and even though most people seem to want to keep the status quo (which has worked SO well /sarcasm) we can at least sit back and say "I told you so" when the same ole same ole happens, which is what you'll get if you vote for anyone other than Dr. Paul.
Getyourhead,
Great post. Thanks. The gold standard, yes lets go there. LOL.
Geturheadoutofurazz!
I have to agree with alan. If the banks would have been allowed to fail, my and everyones mortgages and debt would have been gone and any money I had in the bank would have been returned through FDIC. It would have held those responsible for this mess responsible, and let mom and pop banks flourish. It would have cost less to print the money to give back to the citizens than we have spent trying to fend off disaster.
I do say let the banking system fail. You can quote me on that.
Geturheadoutofurazz! said the 'The current system is not corrupt.'
Hahahahah!
I don't know my facts? What's not corrupt about a government that allows a banking system to over leverage itself and then bails them? The government failed. The banks failed. They passed us the bill.
And Obama keeps passing us the bill ....
(CNSNews.com) – The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) says the real cost of the federal government guaranteeing the business of failed mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is $317 billion -- not the $130 billion normally claimed by the Obama administration. ....
Alan - the government leverages the banking system to get what it wants. You could call it one stop shopping for power.
Ben and that's only a small % of the total trillions lost in the bailout.
If the banks fail, the mortgages are called in. You pay your mortgage or you lose your home. That is, you pay your whole mortgage at the time the bank fails. You have the savings to pay your full mortgage? I don't. I would lose my home.
Ron Paul for dog catcher.
Geturheadoutofurazz,
Ron Paul's ideas are certainly a paradigm shift for how the fed government should work AND what it should be doing. I don't think any Ron Paul supporter would say otherwise. The mistake that most well-intended critics of Ron Paul make is not recognizing that it IS a paradigm shift. They assume that under a Ron Paul presidency, the government and country would have all the same problems it has now, only with fewer safeguards. They don't understand that Ron Paul's policies would address the cause of the problems, not simply put a bandaid on them as other candidates naively advocate.
An appropriate metaphor might be that whereas other candidates want to have the country put a helmet on, Ron Paul would simply stop having the country bang its head into a wall repeatedly, such that a helmet is not needed.
Most well intending people assume that if medical marijuana was not attacked by the heavy hand of government, that everyone would start buying weed and smoking it all the time. This is an example of how far Americans have lost the concept of freedom and responsibility. The fact is that very few people would buy weed even if it was sold in every corner convenience store because they know that it will harm them and not help them (medical uses excepted, which is the rule for any drug, natural or synthetic, legal or illegal). Ron Paul recognizes this fact.
The fact is that the US budget is WAY out of control. This country is in SERIOUS danger economically, and very much in danger of suffering the same fate as the USSR did less than 20 years ago, and for the same reasons. That they spent 10 years in Afghanistan before leaving in failure is particularly poetic, as the same will happen to us. But even a "super committee" was unable to agree to even modest budget cuts. That should tell any observant person that there will NEVER be a budget solution in Congress without a drastic change. Ron Paul IS that drastic change that's needed, and I have yet to hear anyone who advocates for any other candidate, including Romney, Gingrinch, Santorum or Obama, present a factual and realistic explanation of how anything close to the changes will be made. All they lament is that "Obama must be removed" or nonsense like that.
The danger is not in what Ron Paul would do, but in what all of the other candidates will NOT do. Ron Paul is the only one who will turn things around. The only one.
I can't believe the 4 remaining candidates are even stepping on Washington state soil.
After all they joined the 21st century and approved gay marriage, according to the bible-thumpers the end of the world is near starting in Washington.
WilliamOfRites
That should have read three. Ron Paul doesn't think gay marriage is any of the governments f'in business.
you took the words out of my mouth john
William
The General Population of Washington is AGAINST the gay marriage law that was passed and signed.
However, 50% would vote to uphold the law.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/02/washington-state-poll.html
I am more concerned how the far right and the far left ever thought it was anyone's right or business to legislate morality. If the duel parties weren't doing their best to divide our population, this would be a non issue.
Look at the facts. Government can't do their actual, primary job of living within their means, so they try to manage the things they can, even though they have no right to, so as to not look like they are doing nothing.
Again John you took the words out of my mouth
Williamofrites:
It's easy to see from your use of the term " Bible thumpers", that you have no respect for any one else's opinions. Why would anyone care about yours?
Understand that in Washington voters initiatives require that delegates shall be chosen by popular election. An election that was cancelled by the Governor. So hold your private meetings and pick the fraternity boy of your choice. It don't count. Seems to be a sign of the times to disregard voters preferences and laws of this country.
The Governor didnt cancel the election, the legislature did, in an effort to save money. Washington Caucus and primary (for the GOP anyway) has always been for show only. Delegates are always awarded in convention.
@EMDF94--Truthfully I am not trying to start an argument. Just curious. Don't bills in the state of Wash. have to be signed by the governor to be enacted? Is that what you meant by the governor cancelling? Using the veto? Same question to Onanisland. I can't see a governor singlehandedly cancelling an election, but in this crazy election process who knows? Same as I don't know how a state legislature can cancel. ? Seriously, I wonder how the process by which the primary election was cancelled.
This just in: Limbaugh takes the lead in this year's dumb azz Republicans race for the nomination.
Obama started the current rage over contraceptives ....
I knew he must have had something else on his mind for the past 3 years , from all that he hasn't accomplished ....
Get over it Ben,,, Republicans gave this country Birth Control Pills decades ago, it's a losing issue for republicans to fight over today
That was the Eisenhower & Nixon administration,,,, We don't need to take the country backwards
OBAMA-BIDEN 2012 ------ TAKING AMERICA FORWARD
No, Ben. If there weren't morons like Limbaugh, who think a woman takes a birth control pill before every time she has sex, this wouldn't be such a controversy. He's confusing THAT with his hard-on pill that only gives him one shot per pill.
Besides which Republican men are so obsessed with having their face in women's vaginas, they can't even pull their heads out of their own assh0les to see what's fact and what's Looney Tunes.
Have you had any trouble getting your contraceptives .... "LOL"
They have always been accessible ....
Tell that to Bill Clinton Warren .... Kennedy ....
Nice try though ....
Nope, no trouble at all... Walmart sells them by the case for Halloween,,, The kids love them
Jim, you would make the perfect spokes model for birth control in my neighborhood. Unless of course those two are false and your hiding a fork tongue. My God man anything that goes with sex cost money. Take a pill, relax, stare in the mirror, put your money in the bank.
Thanks, but I prefer the product testing side of the business... It doesn't pay as much but the fringe benefits are more satisfying
Jim-372206
We agree!
Jim, shame on you. But you are correct.
I just gave Limbaugh more fuel.... I am such a "slut", my bad
I don't think he needs your fuel. His hatred comes from within.
“We’ve never had this kind of attention,” said Wilbur. “We were always the ugly sister never invited to the dance and now we’re the princess.”
Don't let it go to your head. Sudden, huge "switcheroos" in political attention usually involve an element of desperation.
The GOP strategy is pathetic. They are going after the Catholic vote and Rush is doing nothing but stirring up cheap controversy to rally the cause. He's is probably getting kick backs from the Cock bros and Grover N.
Since when have they ever ran two catholic candidates for president? In fact, the GOP has NEVER even had a catholic nominee.
This strategy was witness immediately after the Pubes got their butts kicked in 2008. They decided to align with the Catholic church. You think it was just a coincidence that Newt Gingrich, from Georgia just randomly decided to convert in to Catholicism in early 2009? Newt's an insider, he has had intimate knowledge of this plan. And you think it's any coincidence that Rick Santorum is in the mix or that all this crap is going on with Rush Limbaugh lately? The Pubes have inserted two Catholic candidates in, one to try to win and a second to rile up controversy and muck up the waters. They are desperate to unseat Romney AND try to take out Obama. They are so out of touch with mainstreem america it isnt funny.
Wake up Pubes.....if i were an evangelical or Catholic I'd feel sold out. these guys are all talk and just using you for your vote
Obama, his PACs, the DNC, the Unions, Michael Moore, Tricky Ricky and others are spending fortunes of money attacking Mitt Romney. And if you read between the lines, although the message is pretty blatant, Obama’s darlings in the media through Media Matters the NY Times, the major networks, CNN, MSNBC, and virtually every newspaper in the USA are running ‘hit jobs’ smearing Romney. Why? Obama’s scared to death of a November showdown with Mitt. People, we should listen! Don’t be played for saps. The message couldn’t be clearer. Unless you want Obama to have four more years to take this country down an irreversible road to ruin, vote for Mitt. Rick’s a good father, Newt’s a great historian, and Ron Paul may be the most fiscal conservative. But only Mitt can, and will, beat Obama. We need to unite this party before we let the media control the message and hand Obama victory. Let’s send a message. We’ve had a good debate, now we need to stop this suicidal path. Romney’s got the business savvy and the executive experience to right our nation’s course. United we stand, divided we will surely fall.
VOTE ROMNEY TUESDAY !!!
Wall Street Bail Out Romney? LOL.... He's not a conservative or a Tea Party politician
"I was against the Blunt Amendment 3 hours before I was for the Blunt Amendment"
He destroys 4 years of republican political attacks against Wall Street Bail Outs --- That amigo is the only economic argument conservatives have
I read this as "so I'm going to vote the status quo instead of my principles" nice.
I hope your principles include 4 more years of Obama.
God I hope not backfire, our country can't handle four more years.
Get ready for it! After a deeply humiliating GOP primary race, Rush Limbaugh's attempts to torpedo the party with his misogynistic comments, and the obstructionist Republicans in congress fouling the waters, there may not be anyone left to vote against President Obama.
The GOP is the party of exclusion, not inclusion, and that is definitely not a strategy that wins elections.
The entire political process needs a catalytic converter that will synthesize the contents of all candidates' rhetoric, and get rid of the noxious emissions. America needs more than a breath of fresh air. She needs the freedom to think, feel, do, express, and enact her noblest ambitions and deepest understandings.
Where is the GOP? Lost in antiquity, fearful of honest dialogue and necessary compromise, and rooted in ambivalence. Where are the Democrats? Madder than Hell, spread too thin, knowing that things can't go on as "business as usual", but reserving themselves to a fault.
People just need to become "Snobs" & get a better education --- This GOP is so over! -- FUBAR
OBAMA-BIDEN 2012 ------ TAKING AMERICA FORWARD
RIGHT Obama-Biden-----TAKING AMERICA FORWARD In destroying our rights with the signing of NDAA
Rick and Newt should drop out of the race. They are wasting time amd money. If Obama wins we can thank them both.
Vote for collapse of the US economy. Vote for a war. Vote for starving the poor and increasing tax breaks for rich people. VOTE REPUBLICAN.
or Obama either way you get what you pay for.
OR you could vote to end the status quo.... Vote Ron Paul!
tell me why one of these canidates wont stand up to limbaugh and his hateful comments calling a woman a slut a prostitute and then later saying she should have to put a sex video on the net if shes gettin tax payer paid birth control? at least boehnor condemed it have you heard of any others? do you think the angry white men and the angry women the ones who plainly hate obama will win the election and you can do what ever you want now because its obama runnin and you think because of that you will win? what good does it do to throw women under the bus-those of us who worry about the defeceit and wouldnt mind some tax increases under the bus, those of us who thought bailing out the auto industry was the right thing to do? has the gop become so right wing that you are now throwing us all out? i think ssi is a good thing and want it-has the gop become so right wing they cant even stand up for social security, medicare or any government program at all and has there mind set on ending them all? is that there goal? birth control-why cant a health insurance company offer it-are they takin their marchin orders from the pope or worst yet limbaugh or hanity? truthfully im ashamed of the gop and what they have become-your thoughts??
I would like to see a video of rush boning is wife...much ado about puffing!
That would make almost every normal person puke. UCK. But maybe she will pull a Bobbit action on him? One can hope.
rdh,,,, Please dude, I'm trying to eat lunch & that image is disgusting --- I would rather watch my cat Duke vomit hairballs
It's funny reading these posts. All of the Libtards trying to turn this into a circus about religious whackjobs, while trying to divert attention from the fact that we have the most inept President in history!
I wonder where he is golfing/campaigning today.
not a troll....... Because NO ONE takes him seriously, why dignify his rant with any reply (which is what Sandra should have done) - he is a tool - we know it, so why are you even listening to his diatribe?
NBC/MSNBC will soon drop this RL controversy, so as not to interfere in a possible Bain buyout.
If there is political fallout from this for Romney, it could because of his earnings from Bain, but not from the conservative/right, women far too often accept the man’s apology, so they will fragment. Oddly enough, were women to unite to boycott and stop dealing with these companies (as much as possible), and do so for just a few months this would have bigger impact than all the votes that they can possibly cast. The hate/fear mongering right wing noise makers, will make a fervent attempt, bordering on insurrection, to suppress as many voters as possible, they will not stop in these attempts, because they hope to provoke poor and minority voters, to riot and violence for display to the nations’ fearful haters. If this treasonous vote suppression conduct succeeds in violence, it could have the same effect as the Chicago Convention 1968, years ago.
While making worst case assumptions on the villainy of politics, here are free ringers off the backstop. The GOP by planting Qurans for accidental combustions could attempt to repeat the 1979 election stunt of embarrassment by Iran, in new secret deal, but this would very hard to detect. The more likely possibility is the GOP has had access to the Supreme Court, and in anticipation of a ruling late in the election cycle, end the commerce clause basis for the healthcare mandate (and opt-out compromise option), this would unleash the suspension of rest of the New Deals Laws. Were the Supreme Court to make some lesser nation threating ruling, the GOP could help trigger a no confidence episode, against the Federal Reserve, to crash the economy in September, to win the election, exactly the same as a similar attempt in 2008 that failed to derail the disgust felt by the public of always being manipulated by the system. The following is excerpted from public information; it only shows what could happen, in the higher echelons of the corporate media advertising establishment. Odd how sane this sounds compared to the mouthing bable of contenders.
Pulled Data: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rush Limbaugh is the Leader of the Republican/Tea Party and their spoke person it is fear that stopped any GOP from speaking up. Senator Brown called for permission from Rush to lie to his voters in hope he gets female votes. Cry baby Boehner was in fear and Senator McConnell/Rep. Cantor were silent.
A win is a win as Mitt says. Washington State has 3 million registered voters but only 50,000 bothered to vote. 2,950,000 voters were busy and just thought about the Caucus.
He is an entertainer, you have the right to turn him off. You chose to listen and be disgusted. The liberals are trying to make as big a deal out of anything that would keep Mr. Obama's record here at home from being the issue.
All of you Libtards on here really must enjoy regurgitating this birth control nonsense. What a bunch of followers (of the media spin) you must be.
Romney will win the nomination, and Obumbles will finally have to run on his record. And BTW it aint a good record.
Wall Street Bail Out Romney? LOL.... He's not a conservative or a Tea Party politician
"I was against the Blunt Amendment 3 hours before I was for the Blunt Amendment"
He destroys 4 years of republican political attacks against Wall Street Bail Outs --- That amigo is the only economic argument conservatives have
The problem the GOP has is they have nobody that can beat Obama's record ---- None of them are talking about the issues or how their policies will work or are paid for
Paxil or Valium stock up early!
Moonbase thank you for the listing of Rush advertisers. I have emailed them all with my intention to boycott them if they pull their ads. And my intention to mount a boycott of their products by Americans who support free speech. Your attempt to silence voices you disagree with is Un-American, it is however very much in keeping with the left's attempt to destroy our country
I agree rainman even though I think Rush is an ass he has just as much right to free speech as the rest of us.
Im betting none of you supported any of his sponsors anyways. Your email will hit the bin bucket. You do know how corporate email systems work ......dont you?
If women want to hump their brains out and then kill their fetus, it's their business. Just don't make me pay for it. Go find the potential father and bill him.
Jasper,,,, That issue was over when Eisenhower & Nixon's administration gave millions of American Women birth control pills
This is why Republicans will lose in November ---- - None of them are talking about the issues or how their policies will work or are paid for
A 50 year old debate is nonsense to distract voters from the real issues & the fact that our economy is growing
How do you know it is growing Jim? I mean seriously? Tell me up here in Detroit that it is growing. Too many people are up here stuck in crappy jobs, who are severly underemployed. You can't get a decent paying job anywhere in the Rust Belt that I know. What stats are you using? The governments? The same govt that told us we were out of recession 2 years ago at one point? I agree that the brith control thing is a total distraction over the economy and the debt, but damn, don't tell me the economy is growing, especially since the trade deficit is still growing. What does that mean for manufacturing jobs.
Jasper, you are an ignorant, male pig, moron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tlm....Let me guess...You are very liberal, arent you? You have that name calling crap down.... Next, tell us how much more intelligent and educated you are....
Obama will go down as the worst president in the history of history ....
How's that Ben when nobody running against him can defeat Obama on his record or the issues?
This is why Republicans will lose in November ---- - None of them are talking about the issues or how their policies will work or are paid for.... They would rather argue a 50 year old birth control debate
What have you got? Santorum & his religious war against women, Gingrich who got fired by Congress, Romney who still likes the Wall Street Bail Outs, & Cut & Run Keep Apologizing Ron Paul?
Here's only a sampling taste of Obama's failures and lies ....
(CNSNews.com) – The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) says the real cost of the federal government guaranteeing the business of failed mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is $317 billion -- not the $130 billion normally claimed by the Obama administration. ....
Pretty tasty hugh ....
Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac was taken over by Obama's administration because of those problems, both are under federal control now & have been under reform..... One thing they need to stop doing that was a big source of the mortgage problem was lending to millionaire estates & flippers who drove up the cost of homes
Freddie & Fanny reform is an ongoing process,,,, Yes it is a considerable accomplishment over what we had before
Ben, you folks need to get beyond party rhetoric to even begin to look at the real issues & you are stuck
Like less debt ....
Millions of people thought they could flip ....
Or get rich quick ....
You talk about "less debt" while the GOP selected "Wall Street Bail Out Romney" & conservative rhetoric is more War & More Spending, a Ron Paul who would immediately cost the jobs of millions of American Families....
You talk about "less debt" from a "Tea Party" perspective that created the "Tea Party Down Grade" & threatened to increase our debt by trillions more!
Let's face it Ben ----- Conservatives who left our nation in such an economic disaster really do suck on economic issues
Obama's debt is still rising at 1 million dollars every 30 seconds ....
Keep those debt blinders on ....
I hope that's not how you've managed your finances in your life time ....
Or maybe you were one of those who got caught up in that financial fiasco also ....
GOP talking points just doesn't cut the mustard
Obama has taken our economy from the conservative certain depression into solid recovery & has policies that all decrease long term federal spending.
Why can't republicans tell us how they are going to pay for any or their policies? Republicans block legislation that is paid for
That's your problem ....
You can't envision policies that save us money ....
That's from looking at too much Obama math ....
either does DNC Jim, nice try though.
Dr. Paul told you how we would pay for them too bad you're not listening.
All Paul has said is how severely cutting government would pay for it... That's loss of millions of government & defense jobs & very deadly on a nation's economy even in good economic times---- It opens the door to uncontrolled corruption
Our economy & Free Market just isn't set up for his ridiculous ideas of a Gold & Silver Standard nor his idea of states printing their own money
Paul's ideas just flatly don't work in the US Free Market nor the Global Market
1SGFITZSWIFE4ID,
I did respond to you on the first page. Would like to hear your response.
Bigbenalaska,
You are probably known among your friends as Dumber than Sarah Palin, and will be remembered as such.
Jim-372206 (re: post 26.7), the answer's in the question: "Why can't republicans tell us how they are going to pay for any or their policies? Republicans block legislation that is paid for." There's no money in it, for them.
Dr. Paul didn't give you the answer you wanted I understand that, we also know that HE understands what will and will not work, of course we can't implement all his ideas the first year y'all really think we're that stupid? BUT the things we CAN implement make sense, yes the DOD is going to take a cut along with everyone else, this is bad how? The govt is way too big, I'm sorry that y'all don't think so. You also have to remember there is a difference between defense and military spending, but until you figure that out you're screwed.
Our economy & Free Market just isn't set up for his ridiculous ideas of a Gold & Silver Standard nor his idea of states printing their own money
Paul's ideas just flatly don't work in the US Free Market nor the Global Market
Jim please explain exactly why Paul's ideas won't work.