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Subscribe to RSSMitt Romney comfortably won the Republican presidential primary contest in Arizona, but the former Massachusetts governor only narrowly won his home state of Michigan. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
Updated 11:05 pm ET: NOVI, Mich. -- Mitt Romney won primary victories in Michigan and Arizona Tuesday night, staving off Rick Santorum in a closely-fought contest here in a state where Romney was born and raised and avoiding an embarrassing setback for his campaign.
Romney won the Michigan primary by just a few percentage points, while scoring a victory by much larger margins in Arizona.
The crowd at the Suburban Collection Showplace in suburban Detroit burst into cheers as cable news on projection screens reflected the projection in Michigan.
Romney's victory in Michigan carries symbolic importance after the contest had been transformed into a key test of his strength as the campaign's frontrunner. He'll also end up with the lion's share of delegates awarded tonight since Arizona allots its delegates on a winner-take-all basis. Romney will win two delegates statewide in Michigan, and an additional three delegates for each of the state's 14 congressional districts he wins.
Romney made sure to stress both his victories Tuesday night, thanking voters in Arizona and Michigan and calling it a “great victory.” Referring to Michigan, Romney said, “We didn’t win by a lot but we won by enough and that’s all that counts.”
Romney hit on familiar themes of restoring American greatness and his Michigan roots during his speech. But in a nod toward the changing dynamics of the race, Romney solicited donations through his website -- something he hasn't mentioned previously in similar speeches.
NBC's David Gregory and Chuck Todd parse the GOP primary results in Arizona and Michigan and look ahead to next week's Super Tuesday races.
A bigger haul of delegates are at stake in just a week, however. The Republican campaign will now move into its next pivotal stretch preceding Super Tuesday, when 10 states host primaries or caucuses.
The results follow a tumultuous three weeks that had featured both candidates fighting for momentum in the Republican nomination contest. Most of the attention was focused on Michigan, where the results could prove to be a turning point in the race.
Romney romps among nearly all groups in Arizona primary
In Michigan, the state where Romney was born and raised and where his father served as governor, the on-again, off-again front-runner had to wage a tougher-than-expected campaign to avoid an embarrassing loss to Santorum, the former Pennsylvania senator. Santorum had carried momentum into the state after sweeping a trio of mid-February nominating contests, and pointedly deciding to challenge Romney on his home turf.
Crossover Democrats overwhelmingly back Santorum
"To the people, you know we came to the backyard of one of my opponents ... and the people of Michigan looked into the hearts of the candidates, and all I have to say is, I love you back," Santorum said in remarks at his campaign night party on the western side of Michigan.
Presidential hopeful Rick Santorum falls short in Michigan and Arizona primaries but says his stances on the deficit, oil production and health care make him the best candidate to challenge President Barack Obama.
While Arizona was only lightly contested by the candidates, Michigan was a different story.
Romney had barnstormed the state in stops meant to remind voters of his roots here, and taken a newly-aggressive tack against Santorum on the campaign trail. His campaign and a supportive super PAC added support by spending over $4 million combined on advertising.
But unlike other instances in which Romney’s Republican challengers had been unable to respond, Santorum’s campaign and a similarly supportive super PAC spent over $2 million in response. The former Pennsylvania senator also aggressively went after Romney on the campaign trail, framing Romney as a poor choice for conservatives to face off against President Obama.
The primary voters in Michigan broke along familiar patterns. Voters who considered themselves just somewhat conservative, and voters who valued electability as the top characteristic in a candidate tended toward Romney. He also performed best among wealthier voters.
Santorum performed best among the most conservative voters in the GOP, and outperformed Romney among more middle-class Republicans. Union households broke for Santorum, and the Democrats who did vote in the primary -- they made up about nine percent of the electorate, according to exit polls -- favored Santorum.
The exit poll results suggested, though, that red flags continue to exist for Romney. The former Massachusetts governor still struggles in winning over the very conservative core of the Republican Party, and faces challenges in winning over GOP voters of lesser means. That latter factor does little to diminish a narrative about Romney's difficulty in connecting with voters.
A loss for Romney could have threatened to provoke new hand-wringing from the GOP’s establishment class about the viability of the former Massachusetts governor’s candidacy. Romney has long been thought of as the Republican frontrunner, but his struggles to string together wins in the primary season threaten to drag the battle for the nomination into a protracted delegate fight.
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Texas Rep. Ron Paul are poised to re-emerge as contenders in some of those Super Tuesday contests, and states like Ohio may well pose the next test of whether Romney or Santorum gain any sustained momentum out of tonight’s results.
Arizona and Michigan are both considered potential battleground states come November, and the president’s re-election campaign has acted aggressively to bracket primary results in both states this evening. The president’s campaign ran ads here in Michigan promoting the administration’s decision to assist GM and Chrysler in 2009, and Obama himself reminded the autoworkers’ union of the Republican candidates’ opposition to the bailout in a campaign-style speech today.
First Read: Is Arizona in play for Team Obama?
“And you will recall there were some politicians who said we should do that,” Obama said of many Republicans’ resistance to providing help to the troubled automakers. “Some even said we should ‘let Detroit go bankrupt.’”
Romney and Santorum each provided the Obama campaign with fodder for the general election, too, from Romney’s comments about his wife owning two Cadillacs or being friends with NASCAR team owners, to Santorum’s calling the president a “snob” for supporting a policy advocating higher education for young people.
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What a nail biter!!!
*snark off*
I will now resume grazing on my *popcorn* as regularly scheduled... lol
This comment will be collapsed in less then an hour - you heard it here first my friends! ;o)
Ramney just had his Cadillac handed to him. Now the real fun begins... Feisty, I give it until 9:05 EST before the Whackadoodles get to collapsing.
This race is truly hilarious. Ramney paid for Gangrich and Santorum for President. Every Super Pac ad was signed sealed delivered by Ramney for President. Truly priceless. If this is the guy the Establishment wants to run, then by all means get to running!!!
I have to hand it to them, they have proven Zealotry is fashionable.
Wow Feisty... Going for a New Record?
I too am busy doing pretty much the exact same thing.
Obama 2012
So are we to deduce that it is high gas prices that is causing Obama's approvals to erode?
Just two weeks ago over at RCP's average he was +5. He's now -.3.
Man, what's gonna happen when the fun we are having here [regular unleaded $4.45] spreads across the country?
Shoot I just hope Feisty's popcorn supplier will still be able to make expenses. The old gal gets mighty grumpy when denied her tasty treats.
@louisJ
your just going to give up and let the money rule you? Seems like a bad idea to me.
Did you see Santorum's NASCAR this weekend? In a press release, the campaign said, "NASCAR and the Daytona 500 are about as American as you can get, and it's great to have my campaign represented by one of these incredible machines."
Well, here's the thing...the car that Rick Santorum sponsored was a Ford Fusion...the street-version of which is assembled in Hermasillo, Mexico!
Hey, Rick, cómo está usted?
GM is proud of their Cadillac's ....
Maybe you would be happier if his wife drove a Toyota ....
Ah well, what does it matter, I am extremely unlikely to vote for obamaromney or santorum. Didn't vote for mccain or obama either. Come on independents, don't vote for these losers, deny them a majority! They have told you what they are! Believe them!!!!!
Extenze, the money rules Ramney and a stadium full of empty seats... I'm even certain tonight he is having his speech at a much larger venue with even fewer people.
If you are considering voting Republican, take a long look at http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/2012/01/republicanincompetence.html . This lists bills in 2009 and 2010 that passed the Democratic House, but were blocked by Republicans in the Senate.
Here's a thought how are the SIX different commercials from 2008 in which Obama personally railed against Bush for high gas prices going to play with voters when Romney runs them nonstop?
Hey Barack we need Help not Kelp!
The Republican primary in Michigan remained too close to call as polls closed, NBC News projects and Mitt Romney will win the Arizona GOP primary, according to early exit polls.
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Feisty....Grazing on your popcorn really portrays a great picture of yourself......A great BIG picture....lol
I'd like to share a few excerpts from an essay written for the Daily KOS called "A Voice from the 1%"
If feist's post is collapsed, I'll go down with the ship!
Better built in Mexico by peons than drug abusing union clowns in Michigan!
u cant tell me the people watching the so called mainline news idiots are this stupid.
the diebolt machines are rigged,there company is run by a convicted felon.for 10 dollars u can rigged one of theses machines.ask there employees.
theses idiots cant even get 100 people at there events but iam suppose to believe they win theses states.at least the liar media is going wait for more the 2 percent of they votes to be counted unlike nevada before they annouse the rigged results.ron paul is challenging maine and iowa saying fruad,just incase u trolls wanna know why the deligates hasnt been awarded yet
ron paul is my president
Rats, let's hope Santorum can pull Michigan!
Spanky, the gas price thing is not working. Sorry, your guys are going down.
First off, Obama's media giants never ran the story of the BIG LOSS of over $500 Billion to the the solar power energy plant in CA. Obama gave them the money and they went bankrupt. Over $500B. Then he turns around, last month, and is giving his bro's in Afghanistan a few billion to help them out. Oh well. He is Commander in chief. He can give money away like it's paper, but how weak can he be as a Commander in Chief to let the gas prices head towards the sky? He could stop it very easy, but as I said. He is a "lame duck" of a President.
Most Toyotas are built right here in the good old USA, did you know that?? LOL.
Louis,
They appear to be ahead of schedule... ;o)
LOL - can we get some violin music? Pretty please?
Spanky, I dare you to respond to my previous post. You have to prove why any of the GOP candidates are worthy of the presidency.
Why was Musical Impulse collapsed???
Hateful nonsence....pure nothingness. Feisty and her ilk. FOUR MORE YEARS OF THAT?? Me thinks not....
How can they call it so fast in Arizona and only a small percentage has been counted in Michigan. Michigan closed it's polls an hour before Arizona. This is crap
Skipster Neither Obama nor anyone else gave $500B (Billion) to Soyndra as you stated. They did a loan guarantee of $535 MIllion...1/1000th of what you stated. If you are going to spout off at least get remotely close to the truth.
They had a good products and a good idea...proven in that there are over 1000 of their systems installed. They were being undercut by cheap Chinese competitors and simply ran out of money at a critical time, they were also hurt by the worldwide economy cutting into orders.
Every bet does not work out, this one was very promising. It was covered by every major media outlet. It was all over the news. NBC, NY Times, Washington Post, Time Magazine, ABC, Wall St Journal, LA Times, CBS, SF Chronicle, Bloomberg. Media Matters, Associated Press. Chicago Tribune and even The Daily Show...all ran stories, most of them multiple stories and you can see a huge list (With Links) of them here (AND THIS IS BY NO MEANS A COMPLETE LIST):
SO BEFORE YOU MOUTH OFF WITH TOTAL B, PERHAPS YOU SHOULD CHECK, YOUR IGNORANCE CAN BE EASILY EXPOSED
Frankly, too funny. You know that is bs... Obama gave it to them and he knew..it was a pay out..then in 3 to 5 or was that 6 months..mmm, they knew they were going to declare Bankruptcy ! yeah right that was legit... You know what Some of us Americans can follow the money!!! I am so tired of the people that want to follow party lines!!! No it is the other parties fault!! No it is the other parties fault!! YOU KNOW WHAT PEOPLE??? IT IS BOTH PARTIES FAULTS!!! THEY ARE BOTH BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY BIG CORP!! IF WE DON"T FIGHT THEM NOW WE WILL LOOSE!!! Ask your self why is gas going so high? Because our GOVERNMENT is bribed to legalize that it is ok the SPECULATE on GAS< FOOD & Water. Guess what these people control us by doing these things!!! wake up!!! These people are trying to kill & control us!!!
Crystye, I think your argument needs more exclamation points. The 3 at the end of every sentence still isn't enough to make it convincing.
Fiesty,
The song may have been Autumn as reported by the wireless operator who survived or the popular version says Nearer my God to Thee. My favorite movie version comes in The Unsinkable Molly Brown who was a real person. How can this constant collapsing of non offensive posts be stopped , it irritates me.
jkh
The exit poll results suggested, though, that red flags continue to exist for Romney. The former Massachusetts governor still struggles in winning over the very conservative core of the Republican Party, and faces challenges in winning over GOP voters of lesser means.
Not really. When the dust settles the Republicans will close ranks and support the winner. Just as the Dems did when they closed ranks for Obama (you do remember the tussle with Hillary Clinton, right?) Simply put, Republicans will support whoever is running against Barry.
Romney pulled it off, proving once again that money CAN buy elections.
And that's the only thing he has going for him.
Mitt Romney: I like his dog better.
Considering that Boehner and the other republicans are worried about the MIDDLE class employers...
They all play Right to the Far Right Field of Pipe Dreams wrapped in old stubborn fascist Gestapo Poo...
Sanrectum is the obvious choice for the Whackadoodles. The old GOP is coming out in all its glory as a party of BIGOTRY.
The more I hear them speak, I realize they are still drafting their own Constitution and still want to secede with black folk in chains. They still cannot fathom how a race "meant for servitude" are now at the head of the table.
Deal with it!!
LouisJ, could you please speak English? Thx.
Sounds like plain English to me Pike Lake. Perhaps your perception has been clouded by the multitude of lies spewed forth by Fox News of the uninformed.
This article pretty much says it all:
I don't like either the redumblicans nor the demoncrats. They are both bad for this country. :)
Mark....And perhaps your perception is warped by Bill Maher and Jon Stewart
The WHOLE government is CORRUPT. Kick them all out and put new people of neither party in. :)
Demoncrats will do this and redumblicans will do that,blah,blah,blah and then they do stupid things and ruin our economy. I am independent of any party. Do what works and forget the political mumbo-jumbo stuff. :)
Hate comments and personal insults....pure nothingness. Feisty and her ilk.
FOUR MORE YEARS OF THAT?? Me thinks not....
Pretty funny stuff, the nerdy financial robot versus the religious zealot, and those other two.
Its like a bad comic book made real. I think Mittens should jump in one of his cars and go home to one of his estates and stay there. Ricky is a christian fanatic whose platform seems to be the taking of rights from women. He can go home too. The other two can go away as well.
I have faith that Obama knows the issues and is doing what he can to make things better for everyone.
Obama 2012
If justoneguy can double-post, I will as well.
If you are considering voting Republican, take a long look at http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/2012/01/republicanincompetence.html . This lists bills in 2009 and 2010 that passed the Democratic House, but were blocked by Republicans in the Senate.
If you think Obama is bad, the Republicans are far, far worse. Better not to vote than to vote for some sociopath like Rick Santorum.
Obama is corrupt and so are the redumblicans and demoncrats. :)
How pitifully weak a person has to be, in order to collapse someones post? :(
The only good I can say about this is? At least the people in AZ and Michigan DID NOT vote for that satanistic loon, dick santorectum. I have no intention of voting republican in November, but I am happy that majority of republicans would not vote santorectum, that would be tragic. We would need tons of barrels of holy water and an exorcism to rid us of that loon.
Louis J, you've got no facts to support YOUR prejudicial comments. My gosh there is a black president and you people are still trying to holler the race card. And just because I don't like a president doesn't mean it's because of skin color.
TNT, just google TEA Party bigotry and I guarantee you'll find all the facts you need.
My 8 year old was watching the news with me and asked 'why does Romney always win?'
I said 'because he's rich.'
She asked, 'why isn't president obama winning?"
'It's a primary and the winner will contest the president then...'
I went on to explain that the prez is every four years and she queried, 'so there was another before obama?'
'Yeah, he is hiding.'
'Why is he hiding daddy?'
'Because he was a very bad man pumpkin... a very bad man, and when people are bad, they hide from the rest of the world...'
That was a great conversation.... :^)
How can anyone even consider voting for Santorum? He is the most anti-American radical crazy I have seen in many years.
He spews flat-out lies about what Obama has said, has done, and wants to do, and no one in the so-called liberal media calls him on it. Why? I think it's because they're so entertained by his wacky, delusional comments.
It's scary though. What if this Nazi (I know, that word is supposed to be off-limits anymore, but look into it- his attitudes, his tactics, the wild-eyed wonder on the faces of his acolytes) actually wins? Everyone says he can't possibly beat Obama in the general election, but look at how many of these neanderthals the tea baggers shoved down our throats in the off-year election.
It's kind of like the movie "Idiocracy"- there are more of them than there are of us. That's what Santorum's super-PAC is advertising on the radio here in AZ.
I know, Romney's not anything to fall in love with. Believe me, republicans, I suffered with John Kerry in '04. But, come on, you can't let this mouth-breathing caveman drag us back into the 16th century! If you're a republican, get out and vote, please! And vote for Romney.
Obama 2012
If you are making 300k or below in this country and you vote for one of these greedy republican idiots, you are, quite literally, voting to take your money and hand it over to the rich! If you are making over that and only care for yourself then I could certainly see why you would want one of these canidates to win.
Republican tax cuts for the wealthy provided Americans making more than $1 million with a $128,832 benefit, while Americans earning from $40,000 to $50,000 got an $860 benefit on average.
Sound fair to you? NO? That's because it isn't. The deck is already stacked against the poor and middle-class and these jokers want to make it even more unjust.
Hey LouisJ, I hate to tell you this, but the Gestapo were the secret police of the Nazis, a very socialist and nationalistic party. The Nazis socialized medicine, nationalized the auto companies and controlled the media..... Sound like someone we know??????
Yeah, so did Britain, Canada, and most of the other advanced countries that are not completely ran by the rich. They are all Nazi's too. Or Dan M is an idiot? Hmm..tough call. No just kidding, that's an easy one...
Nice try playing Godwin there, Dan M. You realize that "National Socialism" was more towards fascism than actual socialism? In fact, Hitler largely persecuted communists and marxists.
Asimplicity1
http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-24/ae/31096614_1_priorities-usa-action-pledges-gop-leaning
HA HA....like Obama and his ilk were pulled from a food line....puuuulleeeeeez
I know, Glenn Beck tells you that the Nazis were socialists. It's just not true. They originally put that in their party name because in the early days, they were competing with communists for members.
If you actually study the history (which I have extensively), you will see that their control of all aspects of society was total. That doesn't make them socialists, it makes them totalitarians. They were on the extreme opposite end of the political spectrum from socialists.
The nazis had jews to blame all their troubles on. The tea baggers have illegal aliens.
The nazis dialed up the rhetoric on everything and made the German people think the world was ending. Sound familiar?
The nazis had an extreme, one-way-only view of the world, and there was no room for any disagreement from any side. Sound familiar?
The nazis re-wrote history to suit the political messages they wanted to promote. Have you seen Santorum's quotes on President Kennedy and Dr. King?
Try reading a book instead of burning one. You might learn something.
Dan, sounds like Hitler with a tinge of Sanitarium mixed with a dab of RushBeck sprinkled with some Dick and Bush dressed in a drag Ramney. So when I think of the clowns running out the car, I see a colorful cadre of mischief with a hint of utter madness and the deafening sound of treason. But it sounds like you enjoy watching the less fortunate suffer and seeing our troops continuously wade into war defending the interests of the RICH and FOOLISH.
Dan, you realize that since you do not make that much money, the Republithugs do not care about you or your family right?
Romney won in Detroit even with the union democrats voting for Santorium to stop Romney way to the White House, according to Gallup polls if the election is today , Romney beat Obama. We don't need 4 more years of the same , we got enough.
Sanrectum, redumblicans, Mittens, dick santorectum, ..... Really? How old are you people? And you want others to take your comments seriously? How about speaking with some dignity, and class for once instead of accentuating your I.Q.
Really Daymon? All I hear from your side are comments about "Odumbo", "Obummer", "Hussein", "Obamy", etc.
As of yet, no Republican has been able to respond to my comment at 2.20.
plcfortruth couldn't of said it better my self! Both these parties in power have turned this Country into one BIG FAT CORRUPT DUMP!
How anyone can support Obama is puzzling...he did nothing as an elected official in the state legislature in Illinois and has shown his total lack of leadership and understanding of his position. He has never workedan honest day in his life, he doesn't know what it takes to create jobs. They are not created with a stroke of a pen but with providing a product or service which a customer finds desire able.
Early in his administration he turned 21% of our nations economy upside down with his health care reform which ironically excluded any tort reform. An interesting thought is why did Obama in his health care reform he requires the insurance industry to commit 80% of every dollar collected in premiums to go towards claims on groups less than 50 and on groups greater than 50, 85% of every dollar. How efficient do you think the government is with its agencies? Less than 10% of our tax dollars collected go to the cause...that's government efficiency.
Look at the oil production...yes the production is up since Obama took office but it is soley on the private side as Obama has significantly reduced or closed public lands to oil production. Obama's policies hurt the nation on two fronts...the first by reducing the supply which naturally raises the prices as there is a greater demand for the product than supply...econ 101...the second is the reduction in income for the country through reduced or eliminated royalties and taxes...thus increasing the deficit.
I guess there is a lot of truth in common sense not being so common...
Mike, supply side economics has never fixed the debt.
Furthermore, you haven't actually said why the Affordable Care Act is bad for the economy. The economy improved far more under Obama than it did under Bush.
As for oil production, Obama has increased oil supply and decreased oil demand. Econ 101.
Finally, you never responded to the point I made about dozens of bills passed by the Democrats that were rejected by Republicans.
I like reading the Collapsed by Community posts--
Romney--a squeaker victory--Santorum cannot lead if he puts his Religion in with his Politics leading the Country.
What a turn off--This is a Country with multi national people, and some who do not believe in G-d, or any faith. Separation between State and Religion. All candidates, please do not put your Religious, Judgmental values upon American Citizens.
Give us our Freedoms. Santorum is blah. Romney, a bit spicier. President Obama cannot assume he has the Election already locked up, signed, sealed, and delivered.
It's going to be a dog fight for the most important job in the World.
TNTTony7 if you think race is not an issue with this president, just drop by Texas and other southern states, set yourself down in a seat at a bar or someone's house and listen. When I have to as people to shut up or leave my house when they holler "get that "N..." out of the White House", there's clearly racial prejudice involved. Anyone who thinks there isn't is in serious denial.
I do not believe that all who disagree with him do so on a racial bass, but the public disrespect that has been sown this president has never happened before. Joe Wilson and Jan Brewer are two just high profile examples. While I don't believe it's the main factor for most who disagree with Obama, race it is clearly and definitively in the mix.
Mr. Anon
What about the 290 House passed bills that the Senate won't even look at, including 25 JOBS bills? Please, both sides are the party of NO. So much for the non-partisan government promised by Obama.
Answer your question?
cmstubbles, funny how you didn't respond to my post but only said "the other side is doing things too". As for jobs bills, as far as I know, the House rejected all of President Obama's jobs bill proposals. All of the Republican proposals drastically reduced the top income tax bracket or undid important regulation that keeps consumers safe.
Nothing excuses the Republican's opposition to better pay for women, safer water for consumers, stronger and more efficient national security, etc (http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/a-small-sampling-of-bills-house-dems-passed-gop-senate-blocked-last-session.html). I have a full list here. It would be helpful to make it possible to respond to you and provide a list of your own.
“Some even said we should ‘let Detroit go bankrupt.’” Hello??????? Hussein *DID* let GM and Chrysler go bankrupt!!! The difference is, Hussein ILLEGALLY handed over the bulk of the companies to his union buddies (a.k.a. campaign contibutors) and screwed over the legal bondholders. Hello?????
To quote Newt Gingrich, what "pious baloney" you speak. Big time pious baloney. Mitt Romney and his fellow candidates, minus Ron Paul, supported the bank bailout--guess they were supporting their "cronies", their buddies, their campaign backers. Hello??? Is there a brain in Pike Lake that hasn't been washed with right-wing propaganda? Those "union folks" took pay cuts, pension cuts and benefits cuts as did the retired workers and the white-collar workers--it was a team effort and it was successful. It really bugs the heck out of you right-wingers and I smile everytime I read comments such as yours. Pay attention to the facts and.....it is President Barack Hussein Obama!
Pike, I think Hussien is consulting with the Devil, trying to find the appropriate time to snatch Tricky Dick Cheney from the Pearly Gates he(Cheney) thinks he'll getta enter!
Occupy SoggyBottom!
"pious baloney" Jody??? Are you denying that GM & Chrysler went bankrupt? Becuase that was what I was disputing. Hussein says Romney wanted to go bankrupt, like he didn't. Yet, GM & Chrysler *DID* go bankrupt. No baloney there.
lol...OBAMA 2012
OMG
Maybe Hussein needs to "walk back" his comments criticizing anyone that said Detroit should go bankrupt. HE, HIMSELF, LET DETROIT GO BANKRUPT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GM made billions in profits last year.... bankrupt? LOL
Yes, LPF, GM did go bankrupt. And they haven't even BEGUN to pay back us taxpayers. It's not funny.
And while they still owe us taxpayers billions that will never get paid back to us they handed out $7,000 bonus to thousands of layabout workers that put the company on the brink to begin with
Pike.... don't worry yourself. You'll get your 2cents back! :-)
Pike, you should educate yourself before you embarrass yourself. Oops, too late , you did quote newt after all... right? Great sourcing... I wonder if that is where you get all your information.
@PIKE LAKE, for your information we taxpayers have recovered over half the amount of the bailout and GM's profitability insures that we'll utlimately do very well on this deal. If you factored in the cost of losing the projected million+ jobs that would have been lost in the auto industry because of a GM failure it's easy to see that in total, we've already recovered our money in spades.
Sorry to punch a hole in your balloon of negativity.
When will they ask Romney the real questions?
Like:
1."Mr. Romney, explain to everybody how placing your money into shelters overseas so you can get away with paying less then 14 percent in annual taxes is helping Americans?"
2."Mr. Romney, do you send the bulk of your money overseas because you value the trade of other countries over America's, or did you send your money over there so you didn't have to pay as much in taxes as everybody else does?"
3."Mr. Romney, you like to say that you pay what you owe in taxes and not a dollar more. What if the vast majority of America thinks you should pay a lot more? Do you agree with the majority of American people and pay more taxes or tell them you don't care and don't want their votes anyways?"
4. "Mr. Romney, do you think all Americans should pay less then 14 percent of their annual incomes to taxes, like you do, even though that would plunge this great nation into third-world status almost immediately by not being able to even pay our debt?
5. "Mr. Romney only the rich could take advantage of loopholes you have used to insure you pay a smaller portion or your income to taxes then many Americans earning a great deal less then you do. Should that be how America's tax code works? Should rich people, like yourself, pay smaller percent of your income to taxes when people like our military, cops, social workers, firefighters have to pay a great deal more?
Fair enough I have just ONE question for Obama....
Obama how can you piss though 5 TRILLION dollars and actually have the unemployment rate go up?
Pike Lake
Really, man! A couple of suppositories will expedite the ouster of all that crap that your spewing bit by bit. What the heck, take four....The quicker it comes out the better you'll feel.
Jack
We still OWN 26% of GM. We paid $33 per share for 500-600 MILLION Shares of GM stock. It is now worth $26.14. How long do you think it will take for it to get to $54? That is what it has to get to BEFORE we get our money back. I wonder how mush booze and weed that will buy for those UAW guys at lunch.
Ask Mr.Bush, Chenney who started the whole war in Iraq,and spent trillions and capitalized on Hilli Burton, and then you will really know why un-employment has gone up, how do people easily forget - lest I forget could you ask George Bush that since he is not doing anything now, and if possible can go to Iraq and look for the (WMD)that was never found so his mission accomplished message will be all complete.
Slodon - and that doesn't include what the finance arm of GM (GMAC) owes the taxpayers.
Funny how jack thinks everything is hunkydory, as until the bailout loans are paid back this loan has been added to our national debt with interest attached. Funny on how jack thinks money has been saved in all of this
"The Republican candidates also awaited results Tuesday from a primary in Arizona, a contest which Romney had been expected to win."
Did this feed come out too soon.....was it released a bit early, like a day or so.....the same 'awaited results Tuesday' is used for Michigan.
What's wrong.......?
If Santorum would have kept his mouth shut, he would have won Michigan, guess he has ONE THING in common with Mr. Romney; the more he talks, the less people want to vote for him.
What is the Republican plan for jobs? Just wondering because I haven't heard any of them even bring it up, you would think a presidential candidate might want to talk about that.
Like I said 2 months ago...Romney's gonna show Mr. Big Tax Dollars Spender out of the White House!!!
Can't wait for the debates with Romney versus the teleprompter, err I mean Obama. This time Obama won't be up against a wax figurine, but someone willing to fight back. I don't think Obama is going to give up the credit card that easy, he has the media in his pocket, a bunch of needy voters with their hands out, and the keys to AF1. Plus he just loves to spend baby spend when its a future generations money, so expect a ton of it. This country will be flat broke wearing a barrel and Obama will be set for life, but if he is unemployed after January 20, 2013 there will be finally be hope for change.
Romney against the teleprompter and bank bailout print money in chief. This will be good. With housing, gas and jobs in the tank, the teleprompter and chief will really need to dig out the classwarfare and race card. Dig buddy dig!
Give it a rest. Obama will eat this stumbling, bumbling idiot alive. No teleprompter needed.
The usual hate-talk from the left. Pathetic CommonSense
"Hate talk"? What's hateful about that? Romney has made so many flagrant flubs, they're already calling them "Romneyisms." A week doesn't pass without him making an ass of himself or saying something callous, stupid, elitist, or all three. And Romney may be the most "electable" of the clown car full of GOP cast-offs, but don't let that delude you into thinking he will be elected President. Saying he's the most electable of this lot is akin to being the best casserole on the $3.99 Vegas midnight buffet.
A businessman that made his money tearing down business, putting his money in off shore accounts, thinks coroprations are ..people, flips and flops on every issue, and knows how to scam honest hardworking middle americans, just bragged how smart it was to crossvote over to dems and vote for wrong guy then gets angry and says it is dishonest when Santorum does same to him. I could go on all night and day........can't wait for saturday night live next show...gonna be funny ! fox news caught with document telling their news people what to say because all issues are better since Obama took office. sooo funny. even fox news admits it to their workers that Obama is doing a great job. But you won't hear them say that.
I guess Romney can’t admit how embarrassing it is to have to spend millions to defeat Rick Santorum. I guess Santorum can’t admit how embarrassing it is to lose the Catholic vote in Michigan.
Evangelicals have lost their way. They have been defeated. Mormons have today demonstrated that they are the new religion in the United States.
Evangelicals were too busy bickering with each other - spewing hate and bigotry toward others that they lost themselves. Left leaderless - without guidance. Now they have been replaced by Mormons.
This is but a demonstration that Evangelicals have lost their faith. They have lost their path. Allowed themselves to be divided and conquered by Mormons. Now they will be relegated to the minority.
Today - the victors are Mormons. Evangelicals have lost their way. A relic of the past.
oh noes, not da mormons!?!
If this comes down to one stupid religion vs another stupid religion in a race to an office which holds no religious litmus test in a country with constitutionally mandated seperation of church and state --- it would be a sign that we Americans have indeed become some of the dumbest people on the planet.
It's like arguing over what jacket to wear when you're headed to the beach.
It really is amazing to read these posts. 99% of Americans are middle class/poor, and you are considering voting for a candidate that hasn't talked about creating jobs, and who thinks it's okay to cut everything geared towards helping middle class and poor people, and candidates who think its okay to tax the richest 1% lower than the middle class and poor. And we are considering Romney who hides his money overseas and who made money destroying American jobs. REALLY!!!
And then @unlv702 please don't tell me that this is about religion. So we ignore the separation of church and state? REALLY!!!
People that don't pay attention, better start paying attention, and VOTE!!
Taxes the top 1% lower than the middle class and poor???? More evidence that Dems must rely on the most ill informed voters to have a chance. Who do you think pays to keep this country operating when roughly 50% of Americans pay ZERO federal income tax. I'll give you a hint....it's not the poor and middle class.
The People of Michigan and Arizona have spoken. Democracy in action and a win is a win is a win. God Bless America....the land of the free and most certainly.....the home of the brave!
Just heard from an inside source at my local ward(mormon church) that if Romney gets elected his wife will allow him to have another wife and 5 more kids. fockin fruitloops! Mormons are like a disease...hard to get rid of.
Howdy libs......................can you say President Romney?? I don't agree with everything he says but he will be a whole lot better than obumbo!!
I get so tired of people saying this candidate/party hasn't talked about job creation...every candidate in both parties has stated ideas on how they would create jobs. It's fine to disagree with their plans, but to say they haven't put forth any plans is just blind partisanship at it's worst.
Hope Romney doesn't get whiplash when he has to swing back from his fake ultra-conservative stance back to the middle when the general election rolls around.
To jon-
What has any Mormon ever done to you that you have to be so hateful and spiteful. Just so you know and will (hopefully) stop displaying your ignorance -- the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS) or what non-members refer to as Mormons, does not allow plural marriage and hasn't for over 100 years.
Now, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS) (these people broke with the mother church) allow plural marriage and other atrocities not in keeping with the teachings of the LDS church. The so-called "prophet" of the FLDS is the individual who is in jail for his perversions.
And, as far as I know, no member in good standing would EVER tell you anything even remotely close to what you allege your "inside source at my local ward" told you.
In other words, you lied and misdirected the conversation into something negative and divisive. This is the only way democrats will win the presidency this year. Smoke and mirrors. If you can keep people looking in the wrong direction long enough you can get away with anything, including this election.
@Ladi Bug,
Yes they do but not in the United States.
Yes go ahead and vote for Flopomney he is the one who will turn this country around, he is the one who has all the experience, he it the one who will defeat President Obama because a servant should not be at the head of the table.
Fact: The country is slowly turning around.
Fact: Flipomney has no experience as President no first timer has. If you say he does because this or that you are telling a bold face lie. Running a business is not like running a country and if anyone tells you its similar they are lying period.
Fact: The Election will be close by President Obama will win. 49 - 48
Watch the upcoming debates between Barack Obama and the GOP nominee, Ladi Bug.
President Obama will win re-election because he is the best man for the job. He doesn't need any smoke or mirrors. He's not a flip-flopper like Romney.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Maybe you should remind us of how Romney and Santorum are going to 'create jobs'.
Romney said he CAN'T, and I believe him when he says that.
He's a vulture capitalist after all. He wants to see American businesses and American homeowners FAIL, so that rich guys can come in and buy up all the broken pieces on the cheap.
That helps rich guys, but it doesn't help America.
Agreed.
And while that might be par for the course for drug-addled college dropouts like Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck; the folks at Murdoch and Clear Channel; and what passes for the Republican Party these days (including Mitt Flopney and Rick Sanctimodium,
It still isn't right.
I dislike Mitt Flopney, because he is a lying, hypocritical plutocrat. His religion (like Sanctimodium's) has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of good Mormon and Catholic folks out there. Let's not get confused, and let's not sink to the bad-for-the-nation tactics of the Reich wing.
Solutions539-
I think you need to re-read my post. I said nothing about voting for Romney. I said nothing about Romney having any type of experience to be President. Again, nothing but smoke and mirrors. If it is not a part of the conversation, it doesn't matter to libs - let's just put it out there to confuse the issue.
My post only responded to jon's comment concerning the Church, plural marriage and jon's blatant misdirection of the actual issues. Kind of the same thing you just did!
Please stick with the actual talking points and issues because I will always call you on this type "in-your-face" misdirection. Come on, people, can't we at least be honest in our discussions.
commonsense,
#5.25 - I sure hope you keep a fire extinguisher handy to use on your pants. What a crock.
Solutions539-
By the way, one more thing, the Church does not allow plural marriage -- here, in the United States, or ANYWHERE!
Yeaaaa, Hooraaaaaaayyyy, who cares? The GOP answer to bad is worse. Yipee.... By golly we are @!$%#ed.
"ReTard Santorum lost Arizona & Michigan, now they have him on a Suicide watch. Its leap year for Ricky ? Lets all Celebrate this Dirtbags lost. Now this loose cannon Ricko is running to Ohio like a Chicken with its head cut off, this Wacko is a total Joke."
westbury64, your no tax statement is highly misleading. I am really tired of that statement and the need to explain things to those who refuse to understand the real picture.
Many, if not most, of the wealthiest pay a lower percentage of their income in income taxes than I do, and I'm solid middle class. I paid a higher rate than Romney's 13.9%. In Texas, the lowest 5 percentile of earners paid a total of 12.5% of their income in taxes, while the top 1% paid 3% on average.
The lower earners pay payroll tax, which accounts for 40% of federal revenue. Payroll tax applies to the first $106,000 (to increase to $110K this year) in earnings. So a person earning $1 million does not pay that tax on 90% of their income.
Additionally, 485,000 people who earned between $100K and $500K paid no income tax in 2010. 14000 people who earned between $500K and $1 mil did not pay income taxes in 2010. 1400 people who earned over $1 million did not pay income tax in 2010.
Yet you folks want to gripe about the people who earned less than $50K, and most of those earned much less than $50K. Those people pay state taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes and so on. The lowest 20% of income earners average $12,500 per year. They pay 16.7% of that income in total taxes. That's $2087.50. Take that from their annual earnings and they have $867.71 a month left. Wanna trade places with them?
Now if you want to go to the poor corporations, who apparently can't afford to create jobs because taxes are too high, 30 of the top 280 corporations paid no income tax from 2008-2010. 280 of the largest companies paid an average of just over half the statutory corporate rate in those same years. Most of these firms paid more to lobbyists and political donations than in taxes.
" ... the “Dirty Thirty” particularly aggressive tax avoiders .. spent more on federal lobbying than income taxes between 2008 and 2010. Twenty-nine of these corporations actually received a net tax rebate.
But OK, let's hammer on those dirty, stealing, lying, cheating poor people trying to get by on $867.71 per month.
Pike Lake "Comment collapsed by the community “Some even said we should ‘let Detroit go bankrupt.’” Hello??????? Hussein *DID* let GM and Chrysler go bankrupt!!! The difference is, Hussein ILLEGALLY handed over the bulk of the companies to his union buddies (a.k.a. campaign contibutors) and screwed over the legal bondholders. Hello?????"
I'm not sure why your post was 'collapsed', since what you say is actually quite true.
And the media 'spin' is interesting, because Romney recommended a 'structured bankruptcy', and that is exactly what Obama did - a structures bankruptcy for GM, which unfairly favored the unions over the millions of stockholders.
I guess the truth hurts the liberals, and they have to hide it by having it 'collapsed'.
bmerbob "The lower earners pay payroll tax, which accounts for 40% of federal revenue. Payroll tax applies to the first $106,000 (to increase to $110K this year) in earnings. So a person earning $1 million does not pay that tax on 90% of their income.....Additionally, 485,000 people who earned between $100K and $500K paid no income tax in 2010. 14000 people who earned between $500K and $1 mil did not pay income taxes in 2010. 1400 people who earned over $1 million did not pay income tax in 2010."
What you overlook is that payroll taxes fund the Social Security and Medicare programs, which means workers are building up their personal retirement and health insurance accounts. That money does not pay anything towards general government expenditures for Defense, infrastructure, education, etc., etc., etc., which means the middle class and the 'rich' pay for all of the cost of running the government. Actually, since payroll taxes only cover about 40% of the actual cost of Medicare/Medicaid, the middle and 'rich' class also pay the other 60% of that as well for the 50% who pay no income taxes.
One last point in this regard - Roughly half of the people who pay no income tax but do pay payroll taxes to fund their retirement and health care requirements actually don't even do that, because they get 'Earned Income Credits' that actually offset the money they supposedly put into their 'retirement accounts', so they indeed get the retirement benefits but pay absolutely NOTHING in taxes to fund the $12,500 per year in benefits the average American gets from Federal spending ($3.8 Trillion in spending divided by 310 million Americans).
As for those few 'rich' who pay no income taxes, there is a simple solution - do away with all of those 'credits' that are used to offset regular taxes - like the $25 Billion that Obama has put in place to encourage 'green energy', along with the $4 Billion in 'subsidies' for oil companies that were intended to encourage domestic production and lessen our dependence on foreign oil.
The TRUTH is far different from the 'SPIN", when you look at the details, huh.
Solution, Yea the country is slowly turning around ??? Have You looked at the debt this administration is sticking this country with ? If that is turning it around, I'm Brad Pitt Ladies ! And bmer Bob, have You ever owned a company ? I don't own a huge corporation, but I pay about 50 cents on every dollar in tax's, when you take into account, payroll tax's, franchise tax's, property tax's, sales tax's, federal tax's, ss, medicare bla bla bla. How much more do I have to pay to make the liberals happy ? Is it 60 70 percent, when 50% pay nothing ?
I agree, commonsense, and let's not forget the good Jews, Muslims (YES! they do exist!), Protestants, evangelicals (YES...they exist too!), Buddhists, agnostics and atheists (YES, their numbers are growing) while we're at it. Sorry if I left anyone out.
All Americans of good will want a good person in the oval office. My advice is to look to both the candidates' words and their records to decide who is intelligent, moral, honest, compassionate, reliable, and tolerant. We need someone who represents ALL of us. Proclaiming a faith and living it are two very different things (are you reading this, Newt?)
To make one's personal religious beliefs a centerpiece of his/her campaign is a sure-fire strategy for failure (are you reading this, Rick?) There is no one religion in this country that completely dominates all others, and that is exactly as it should be.
unlv702,
Your comment is way off base. What are you talking about and what are your intentions? If you're trying to pretend to be a zealous Mormon, knock it off because your comment is a clear misrepresentation. Try to stick with the issues.
What Romney would be good at is to bankrupt the United States and sell off the parts at a profit. I hope he sells Texas to China.
JimS-459172 "What Romney would be good at is to bankrupt the United States and sell off the parts at a profit. I hope he sells Texas to China."
When you go bankrupt, you should sell off the losers, so we should keep Texas, and sell California and Oregon and New York and Vermont. If we could figure out how to sell Illinois, we could do without them too.
Wow, poor blind party loyalists.
I won't call you liberals, because no true liberal could support Obama, based on his own actions.
Why do you think Hilary refuses to work with him after this term?
Seems you're not doing so well today, the first 4 threads are all collapsed!
Just thought I'd share another poll with you. Seems like Obama is not getting quite the rise in support that MSN claims, at least not everywhere else. Oh yeah, this poll is from yesterday.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/213055-gallup-obamas-approval-rating-falls-sharply
In related news, the dictator in chief now has to pass laws so people will stop protesting against him. The Constitution be damned, we can't have these peasants voicing thier displeasure in public!
Constitutional scholar my a$$.
Google "HR 347". It would be funny if it wasn't so scary.
The Patriot act now belongs to Obama. He said he would repeal it, instead he expanded and extended it. It is now Obama's Patriot act.
Obama signed into law the NDAA, in clear violation of his oath to uphold the Constitution.
He said he would close Gitmo. He's now building a 750k soccer field for the inmates. Doesn't sound like he's planning to close that anytime soon, huh?
His "payroll tax cut" defunds SS. He stole 29 billion from foodstamps to give to the states to "save or create" jobs. His HRCA stole 500 billion from medicare. He could order the troops home anytime, instead he put boots on the ground in 4 new African Nations this week alone.
Anybody claiming to be liberal who supports Obama has clearly not been paying attention.
End the wars, bring the troops home, restore fiscal sanity to our currency and our government, free all prisoners in federal penitentiaries for minor drug offenses,
These are all ideas that used to be part of the liberal agenda. Before Obama twisted it into a dark vision of government control.
No true liberal could support Obama
Liberals for Ron Paul 2012
Roy should move to Texas before Romney sells em off... Texas should be allowed to be their own country. They want it they have lobbied for it. The states you mentioned are in America Roy. I would ask you what color the sky is in your world but I just don't care. You always say the most ridiculous things its just the Divided state of Bat@!$%#. LMAO
DonkeyHoty "Roy .The states you mentioned are in America Roy."
Can't take a joke, can you? It was a play on JimS' comment about selling Texas.
PS - Lat time I checked, Texas is also in America.
Romeny wants to see American businesses and American homeowners FAIL
He wrote an Op-Ed piece titled "Let Detroit Fail" and repeatedly argued that Ford, GM, and Chrysler should go bankrupt so their carcasses could be sold off in bits and pieces. He STILL says he wishes that had happened.
Last month he said his solution to the housing 'crisis' is to let homowners be foreclosed on so that rich investors can buy up houses cheaply.
Aww Roy there ya go again by golly... Bringin a pea shooter to a gun fight. Okay buddy you win lmao. Here's a vote for you. I know you never get any so I will give you one today. Hope you finally get that green star of validation you have been seeking. BTW skip next time you tell a joke try a punch line. I am a fan of all 50 of our states and all 300 million of our F'd up opinions... Cheers Roysome.
"grazing" on popcorn. Couldn't have said it better myself!!! Ah ha ha ha!!!!
I know! And to think she's a big Obama supporter. At least everyone is equally poor in their world. Popcorn for everyone!
If you vote for romney or obama you are pure evil. Simple. :)
hey yall, the country won't ever become elite again. you know why? GREED. accept that lol
Romney looks good now--but betting there will be a "Dark Horse" in the end for the GOP, as the "Candidate to run for President of the United States against Obama.
It is a name that is used over and over again.
It will be interesting.
Herman Cain was the dark horse but he is gone now. Republicans aren't much interested in dark horses. They would go to see "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs". They would not go to see "Coal Black and Seven Pygmies".
Sorry, but if the republican party is really serious about ousting Obama, they should probably get their voters on board with Ron Paul. He's the only candidate that's going to be able to draw votes from both sides of the political spectrum. Romney, Gingrich, and Santorum all represent groups that the left simply will not vote for: rich/religious, rich, and religious. My big question is why is the primary goal getting Obama out of office? Shouldn't their goals be to improve the economy, eliminate waste, and increase government efficiency? The whole party needs to realize that the election should be about presenting ideas for the future, not getting rid of an incumbent. Let plans and actions speak to your electability.
Why apologize, link?
American GREED and the demand for immediate gratification is the downfall of America, it matters not who is President!
Ohio - Take a deep breath and hold it, Santorum is coming to your State.
Republicans with an interest in the country? I know it was that way before Reagan but certainly not anymore. The republican majority in the house votes against their own ideas if Obama agrees. Power is the sole ambition of the republican party today. I don’t know how much of it is racist because they hated Clinton too. A booming economy with low unemployment and a strong middle class are things the republicans can not tolerate.
It's going to be a long night in Michigan.
It doesn't matter really whether Romney wins Michigan or not since we know there were Democrats going to vote in the Michigan Republican primary just to mess with Romney. We will be especially interested in the returns from Detroit. The big Obama BS about Republican not wanting to bail out the car companies is a farce since those car makers make most of the car parts over seas and only assemble the cars here. Toyota makes more of thier cars here than the so called American car companies do. The GM company still owes us billions that we got in stocks. The American government is not supposed to own car companies. But then anyone who supports Obama would not know enough to realize the stupidity of that.
Romney was just projected the Winner in Michigan too
Nutso Santorum can ST*U and go congratulate the Flip Flopper Mitt
Well here's the thing:
- First off, anyone can vote in the other parties primaries, if they change party affiliation early enough (say 2 months before the primary or so). Anyone who follows this would know when they are for their state, along with the registration/change party affiliation deadlines... So the difference, though there in Michigan, isn't necessarily completely absent in other states.
- Many people aren't necessarily die hard dems or repubs anyhow. There are independents who simply register for a party for no other reason then to get the ability to vote in primaries; not because they're ideologically in agreement with necessarily either party platform accross the board
- Romney might have upset people in Michigan with his stance on the auto-bailouts, and though one can make issue with Obama mentioning that; that really does fall in the matter of politics. This really isn't different then when Gingrich brings up Bain capital, or Romney brings up Gingrich's ethics charges in Congress. It's politics, and they all play dirty. That said, take a strong stance, and one's likely to upset someone; and if many auto-workers who happen to work in Detroit don't like Romney's position; that might motivate them to vote against him regardless
- It is true, and goes to show just how much many "American companies" don't necessarily side with their own workers, and how these multi-nationals have no sense of loyalty to anyone, or any country. Japanese car companies do incidently end up supporting American workers more then our own car companies do; though for economic reasons. Japan doesn't want to have to pay all the shipping and import costs; our companies would rather skimp on labor. In both cases, they're saving some money in the process; though in this one can find a bit of the Wal-Mart shopper attitude among our companies here; whereas in Japan, some things would be culturally unacceptable to them.
In this, I do kinda hate to say it; but when my father who worked for a research firm (he was a chemist); well in his generation it was heard of, ours it isn't, but he worked there 45 years before retiring. But when the company was bought out by a German company, his job actually did end up improving. In large measure, because instead of finding ways to skimp the worker over, the new German managers acted more as if they actually cared about their employees. The benefits, and everything, rather improved then anything, after the merger, as the then new German corporate heads set out to put in place improvements for the work staff as some of their first policy changes....
OOOOOO the Dems want anybody to win but Mitt. Call names, but your man has had his chance and BLEW IT!!
Mitt, please show Mr. Obama the door.....
Shaking, according to the article 9% of the electorate who voted for santorum were democrats
Suck small balls, Romney. Yours. In private. By yourself.
^What a great expression of intelligence, I'm sure he's really offended.
DEPENDS ON YOUR STATE. You would think a FEDERAL Presidential Race would be consistent across America, but nope, depends on your state. If your registered as a Dem or Rep you can only vote in the primary your registered as. HOWEVER, if you're registered as an INDEPENDENT, most states let you vote in either. REGISTER AS AN INDEPENDENT, LEAVE YOUR OPTIONS OPEN. No matter what your opinions are ALL politicians should be working their @sses off to please you. By registering as a Dem or Rep you're already doing half the work for them.
Mitt Romney beat Rick and Obama at the same time. obama was campaigning against Mitt today
and its the first time in history a sitting potus was campaigning against an opponent, in a opposition
primary. Obama is really worried about his job. His union buddies were at his rally and they were
probably getting paid to be their.
Mitt wins.
Mitt could take Michigan in Nov.
I am registered in two states but not as a Democrat or a Republican in either. All t hey ever ask is which ballot I want and that's what I get.
When a pollster asked how I voted, I told him by secret ballot.
When he ask if I voted Democrat or Republican I said yes (although it may have been a mix).
Let's take the power away from these pollsters!! Answer as above or lie or whatever comes to mind. Don't let them tell the rest of the country which bandwagon to jump onto.
Your being registered in two states is part of the problem with the American political system, and the reason for the cries of voter fraud. What stops you from voting "absentee" in the one state, then at the physical polls in the other state? When I registered in the USVI, they, by law, had to notify OH that I had moved and registered here. As far as I know, my name is no longer on the OH registry. Of course, I've never checked to verify that. Maybe I should and then I could cast an absentee ballot for president, hehe.
There is only one way that we will ever end this election mess. Everyone needs to join the Popular Amendment Movement (faircampaignreform(dot)us) and help circulate the two petitions below.
Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Election Reform
We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.
Election Reform:
1. Abolish the Electoral College (Repeal Amendment 12)
2. ONE NATIONAL primary date to be held on the Tuesday eight (8) weeks prior to the General Election day for Congressional offices and for the President. Candidate petitions must be filed with the local/state elections boards 60 days prior to the Primary Election date. Federal election petitions shall be uniform in every state and shall include a “contract with the voters” that spells out clearly what that candidate stands for on all issues that they may have to address in elected office. They shall be held accountable in court for breach of that contract if elected and any/all terms are not met.
3. NO campaigning allowed for any elective federal office more than 60 days prior to the National Primary Date.
4. NO campaign contribution shall be donated to any candidate of more than $200 from an individual or $500 maximum from a family (spouses/children living in the same household.) No donations shall be made to a candidate more than sixty days prior to the primary date. No candidate shall contribute from their own funds more than 60% of the total donations from other private individuals.
5. NO campaign contribution from any PAC, corporation, union, non-profit organization, special interest group, etc. shall be allowed for any elected federal office.
6. NO third party campaigning (separate PAC ads, corporate ads, etc.) for/against any candidate shall be allowed at any time during or before the election season.
7. NO party conventions shall be held to select the presidential candidates. The selection must be done at the ballot box in the primary election.
8. The One Man/One Vote Supreme Court ruling shall be enforced by this Amendment, namely that NO federal candidate selection shall be by any means other than the ballot box on Primary/General Election Dates.
9. National Party Organizations shall NOT raise money for or donate to specific candidates of their party prior to the dates outlined above.
10. PAC’s shall NOT be granted tax-exempt status by the IRS, and any non-profit organization who uses their funding for political purposes shall lose their tax-exempt status.
11. All lobbyists shall be outlawed from influencing Congress at all times.
This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.
Name Signature State Address
Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Congressional Term Limits
We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.
Term Limits for Congress:
1. Representatives to Congress shall serve no more than two two-year terms in the House.
2. Senators shall be elected to no more than two six year terms in the Senate.
3. No elected official shall serve more than six terms in office in any combined elected offices (House/Senate/Presidency.)
This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.
Name Signature State Address
Yes, we need campaign reform and apparently some changes in the states election laws.
In the states of Oregon and Washington (except Seattle), voting is completely done by mail. If you aren't living at that address or officially receive your mail there, it is returned to the state and you are removed from the register. If you have moved to another address, it is up to you to re-register at your new address.
If you died, the mail can no longer be delivered to you, so it is returned by the post office as undeliverable and the person is removed from the voter registration.
when you vote by mail, people have to sign the outside of the envelope. When the state election receives the ballot, it is actually a ballot inside one envelope that you place inside another envelope and sign. Your signature is compared by the state election with the signature they have on file. If it doesn't look the same, they will call you.
I have to tell everyone - this is the best way to vote. no standing in lines. You can look at your voter pamphlet and vote at home at your leisure. then drop it either in the mail or the ballot box at the post office. Particularly the rural areas - this is the best way to do it. Ask your legislators to consider it.
Yes, we need campaign reform and apparently some changes in the states election laws.
In the states of Oregon and Washington (except Seattle), voting is completely done by mail. If you aren't living at that address or officially receive your mail there, it is returned to the state and you are removed from the register. If you have moved to another address, it is up to you to re-register at your new address.
If you died, the mail can no longer be delivered to you, so it is returned by the post office as undeliverable and the person is removed from the voter registration.
when you vote by mail, people have to sign the outside of the envelope. When the state election receives the ballot, it is actually a ballot inside one envelope that you place inside another envelope and sign. Your signature is compared by the state election with the signature they have on file. If it doesn't look the same, they will call you.
I have to tell everyone - this is the best way to vote. no standing in lines. You can look at your voter pamphlet and vote at home at your leisure. then drop it either in the mail or the ballot box at the post office. Particularly the rural areas - this is the best way to do it. Ask your legislators to consider it.
Good post, except that the state of Washington including Seattle, votes by mail. However there is one county that still has polls but that may have changed for all I know. If you did not recieve your ballot in
Seattle they do take it at the elections office downtown. I really like having the mail in ballot as you can drop if off a places before the election if you choose to. It makes voting easier and quicker to count.
Every time I see Rick Santorum he has both hands in his pockets, what's up with that ?
Gorgegirl thanks your comments.
If you want to have your voice heard you have to attend your caucus location to vote for your choice for Presidential nomination.
It is very important to let everyone know that the Washington caucus is this Saturday, March 3rd. In order to vote in this you have to physically go to your caucus location for your precinct.
Here is the link to find your precinct name and then your caucus location is:
Republican:at snocogop (.com) under caucus
Democrat:at the wa democrats (.org) site under caucuses
Another way to find out is through this site:wsrpcaucus.tumblr (.com)
(I hope this website show up for you. They aren't making this easy to type up for you on here. If not try a web search for the info)
Doors open at 9am at most caucus locations, and I believe they close ( just after noon) at 12:30.
Please spread the word; lots of folks don't know about this or how to vote in a caucus.
more info actually Saturday, March 3rd is the republican caucus. The democrat one is April 15th. Just need to find your precinct name and then you can find your caucus location to vote for nominee of your choice. Don't know how to put actual links to websites on here. There weren't showing up.
Best of luck.
Let the whole herd crash and burn! Except maybe Ron Paul. I don't like him but he's the brightest of the litter, and he'd give The President Incumbent a good run in debates.
"The GOP romance with the Tea ReTards will be their down fall"
Ron Paul is a toothless hick.
Patriotic, if You had anything there You would have Your hands in Your pockets as well, ha !
Oh boy I sure do hope Santorum wins Michigan! Good golly that would be swell.
Sorry chum Romney won in spite of all the Democrats going to the primary to vote for Santorum guess we know who will carry Michigan in November. Na Na Na Na Na! Really the first Obama loss since he went to Detroit hoping to rig the primary because it allows his supporters to vote in it just to screw things up.
Actually, don't be so sure; though many say they will support the eventual nominee no matter who they are; not all Republicans have said this. Some have said they're tired of voting for the lesser of evils, and would just assume sit November out, if their candidate doesn't get in. I imagine many of Paul's supporters might be among that group, unless Romney or whoever were to make some rather grand gestures, like offering Paul a position in their cabinet....
I personally hoped Romney would win both states, which apparently He has. While I would never vote for Romney, the man at least, is sane. Flip flopper, crooked as a dogs hind leg, etc.,but sane. Now, we can all find renewed hope in the sanity of the American people. That should be a great relief to all who work for the betterment of this country and equality for all. Santorum and Gingrich both, suffer from certain mental deficiencies that render both certifiably insane. The evidence of those maladjustive mental conditions have been revealed through the rantings of both men thoughout this campaign, yet, too damn many havn't noticed, and some have even voted for them. That was, and remains worrisome for the country as a whole. let us hope the country is not in a definite trend toward total national insanity. Ron Paul is solidly as He has been, lo, all these years. Entered the world "breech" and is proud to state, "he has never, and will never look forward". Now, I shall continue my commitment to the reelection of "President Obama".
If President Obama hid millions in offshore accounts the way Romney does, he would be absolutely crucified!
You need to hold a working position in the private sector to have the opportunity for wealth accumulation.
@ Squire
Then how do all of these career politicians make so much money while in office?
I'm so glad to see that Obama hasn't received a single vote yet tonight ....
I hope that trend spreads across all of America ....
I would be glad to find that you are a felon that can't vote because you have no clue how the process works.
Bigben: I'd ask if you are really that stupid, but um, we all know the answer so.....
Don't tell me that you tried to vote for Obama tonight .... "LOL"
big ben I completely agree!
And who says Romney will say anything to get your vote!
Well, Romney does!
Here are some Romney quotes. Remember, he says he's not a "flip-flopper".
Flip 1: "Roe v. Wade has gone too far."
Flop 1: "I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it."
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Flip 2: "I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose."
Flop 2: "I never really called myself pro-choice."
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Flip 3: "I've been a hunter pretty much all my life."
Flop 3: "Any description of my being a hunter is an overstatement of capability."
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Flip 4: "It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam."
Flop 4: "I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there."
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Flip 5: "I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush."
Flop 5: "Ronald Reagan is... my hero."
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Flip 6: "I will work and fight for stem cell research."
Flop 6: "In the end, I became persuaded that the stem-cell debate was grounded in a false premise."
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Flip 7: "I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation."
Flop 7: "There's no question raising the minimum wage excessively causes a loss of jobs."
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Flip 8: "I like mandates. The mandates work."
Flop 8: "I think it's unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front."
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Flip 9: "I saw my father march with Martin Luther King."
Flop 9: "I did not see it with my own eyes."
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Flip 10: "This is a completely airtight kennel mounted on the top of our car."
Flop 10: "They're not happy that my dog loves fresh air."
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Flip 11: "It's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person."
Flop 11: "He's going to pay, and he will die."
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Flip 12: "Those... paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process toward application for citizenship."
Flop 12: "Amnesty only led to more people coming into the country."
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Flip 13: "I'm not in favor of privatizing Social Security or making cuts."
Flop 13: "Social Security's the easiest and that's because you can give people a personal account."
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Flip 14: "Based on the numbers of American Muslims... I cannot see that a cabinet position would be justified."
Flop 14: "A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith."
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Flip 15: "I'm a strong believer in stating your position and not wavering."
Flop 15: "I changed my position."
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Flip 16: "I would like to have campaign spending limits."
Flop 16: "The American people should be free to advocate for their candidates and their positions without burdensome limitations."
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Flip 17: "I supported the assault weapon ban."
Flop 17: "I don't support any gun control legislation."
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Flip 18: "The TARP program... was nevertheless necessary to keep banks from collapsing in a cascade of failures."
Flop 18: "When government is... bailing out banks... we have every good reason to be alarmed."
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Flip 19: "I'm going to take burdens off the back of the auto industry."
Flop 19: "Detroit needs a turnaround, not a check."
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Flip 20: "When I first heard of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy, I thought it sounded awfully silly."
Flop 20: "'Don't Ask, Don't Tell has worked well."
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Flip 21: "I believe the tax on capital gains should be zero."
Flop 21: "It's a tax cut for fat cats."
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Flip 22: "These carbon emission limits will provide real and immediate progress."
Flop 22: "Republicans should never abandon pro-growth conservative principles in an effort to embrace the ideas of Al Gore."
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Flip 23: "Relative to the leading candidates, some people see me as being more conservative."
Flop 23: "I'm not the most conservative candidate."
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Flip 24: "It does take a village."
Flop 24: "It takes a family."
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Flip 25: "I don't line up with the NRA."
Flop 25: "I'm a member of the [NRA]."
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Flip 26: "The all-Democrat stimulus that was passed in early 2009 will accelerate the timing of the start of the recovery..."
Flop 26: "The all-Democrat stimulus passed in early 2009 has been a failure."
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Flip 27: "...the costs of health care will be reduced."
Flop 27: "We were unable to deal with... health care costs in Massachusetts."
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Flip 28: "If Massachusetts succeeds in implementing it, then that will be a model for the nation."
Flop 28: "What works in one state may not be the answer for another."
You don't make sense at all, RED NECK??
BIGBENALASKA
You are simply quite immature, and that is not partisanship, that is something any intelligent person of any persuasion can agree on.
Your trite dismissiveness is a sign if ignorance and is childish to say the least...either contribute or be gone.
You chant the same mantra over and over, reminds me of some farm animals saying "Four legs good, two legs bad' over and over as they cannot grasp any complex concepts.
Come back when you can make an argument, not a bumper sticker. It is boring.
Actually I like Bigben's replies. If anybody has any doubts how stupid the Republicans can be, I just point them to ol'Ben's posts :)
Keep it up Bigben, fight the cause man! Fight the cause!!!
asimplicity
If you are so smart stop the cut and paste, do something by yourself.
AsimplicityI
Here's one for you "If I haven't turned the economy around in my first three years, there won't be a second term". He was right and by the by, instead of closing Gitmo he spent 750,000.00 building them a soccer field. Yeah, that is some truth teller.
You need college.
Oh "Shaking my head because I'm stupid": I like republicans who not only make things easy, but also make them funny :)
Don't you love it when you say something negative about a republican canidate, doesn't matter how big it is or how complicated, they always have that one idiot in the crowd, who obviously doesn't know a whole lot about anything, stand-up and yell something at the top of his lungs so small and idiotic that even fellow republicans scratch their head saying, "well that's stupid!"
"Romney lied about that. Flipped flopped over that. Sent money overseas to pay less in taxes then American's making far less then he does. Wrecked jobs. Closed businesses"
And here comes the idiot, right on cue:
"Oh yeah, well Obama once ate a meal without saying a prayer. He worships satan and that proves it! I'm voting Romney!! WOOT WOOT WOOT!!!"
Then gallups away on his little imaginary horse into the sunset....
Don't worry! Cause no matter who becomes the GOP candidate, President Obama is going back to the White House, its in the bank.
Against this line up; that might well be the case. However if Christie or Jeb Bush were running; I wouldn't be so quick to suggest that Obama is the likely winner. Thing is, this election is comming down to whoever people dislike less, rather then who they like more... And sadly enough, that's what many a campaign platform has come down to of late... But then this said, neither Christie nor Jeb want to run this go around; and in the end we got a whole lot of second stringers running on the Republican ticket this year....
It's difficult to reply to some of these comments as they are filled with misconceptions, irroneous information and facts, and just plain idiocy. All the Republican candidates are backed by the Very rich, corporations, oil, utilities, insurance, & pharma. They see the general election as their golden opportunity to change this Democracy we love to an Oligarchy - the rich ruling the many poor. A lot of them like to think they are part of the "elite" because they have 6-digits; but, they are as phoney as these guys running. Your money and tax breaks are worth losing Democracy - for all? Don't kid yourself, you won't win this and you aren't rich enough to be considered the "elite" and we will Not Eat Cake...We Are the People - for Democracy and will fight for it....to the end...of you and your oligarchists.
Outspoken Cynthia
Sorry Cynthia, the "bank" (IE your government handouts) will be drying out in November...better move back to the parents home gurl - Mr. BIGSPENDER OBAMA has run out of time.
Of course Obama is going to win, he is the Teflon president, nothing sticks to him. He will go to his grave blaming everyone else for everything he did or did not do. Obama can read, but not lead, and reading seems to be all his supporters care about. Because his record is a a total failure, and it will be coming home to roost real soon. Spend baby spend has doomed this country, and skyrocketing gas prices will soon usher in a period of inflation the likes of which this country has not seen in a long time.
Wow-I did not see Obama's name on the ballot
To the ones that is blaming Obama for high gasoline prices you must have forgotten that gasoline prices were higher in summer of 2008 than they are now,I paid $4.59 for diesel today compared to $4.95 in July of 2008 and I do not believe that Obama was president in July 2008.
A couple of the above posters, and probably many voters, appear to have written in their alternate choice today. They expected to see his name the list and were disappointed.
Actually, it really doesn't matter since a majority will not vote for either. That tells thinking people, the correct choice is "none of the above". Rosanne or Paul are both better choices.
Pat Paulson (oops, he died), Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert would be the best "third choice" candidate, hehe.
What a freakin' joke! The fact that the RICH people or REPUBLICAN'ts cannot come up with a better candidate is truly freakin' hilarious! HA-HA! RICH BASS TERDS! 'Ol Mitt and Sanitarium running neck to pathetic neck.LMAO!
john, there's a whole lot of "rich bass terds" in the Democrat party, too. Are you upset with them, too??
I think there is indeed an equal number of "rich bass terds" in either party.
So, you gonna tell me that all the dumbocrats that are running are POOR people? Give me a break. They are all in it for their own good and benefit and only do what their handlers tell them too.
Our country did not get great by taking away from the well off and giving it to the less well off. It got great by letting those that could HIRE PEOPLE and PAY THEM do just that. We have done nothing but crash ever since we have taken the entitlement track and started using the well off employer's pocket book to do that.
NO'bama in 2012!!!!!!
YO Obama 2012......hint hint
Santorum is NEVER going to get the womens vote in any state
Rick and his ancient ridiculous radical social issues is one of the main reasons why he will NEVER be the Repub nominee
And that is a good thing!!!
Dan M-1100664, Get ready because YES! OBAMA 2012 is going to happen.Sorry to disappoint you buddy.
John--There has not been 1 President in this country that was not rich. You should have checked the net the other day when they listed all the Presidents and how much money they were worth.
Chester
With All the Rep/tea's you would think They could have come up with a Better field than this group of Losers
Justina #12.6 you would be suprised at the people that vote against their own interest.blacks,latinos,union workers,females, veterans,poor people,blue collar workers all that vote republican are voting against their own interest but they do it all the time.
The GOP nuts get crazier by the day. This campaign is the best entertainment since the joke McPalin in 2008!!! LOL...wonderful! I'm sure Obama is loving this too :-)
Indeed he is...
As the president of the US, there are far more important and volatile things to deal with in the world every day than trying to stop the little boys from fighting over their little toys and not sharing with anyone else.
Once their hyper and immature little minds tire out, the children should put themselves to sleep...if they can even do that!
The Republicans were celebrating Clinton and Obama tearing each other up in 2008. Now the Demos are cheering the battle-royale that is going on now. Guess what? Now all of the negative press will be used up by the time the Republican winner stomps on the throats of the libs running the White House now! I think that Obama needs to start getting money together for his Presidential library. I heard there is a lot in Plains Georgia available.
The way this election is going; they don't need to officially get all the money together... They can let the super pacs do it for them and all go Karl Rove on each other's candidates. But that way, they can each claim they were above the frey and had no part in it. I'm pretty sure that Obama has a super pac, contributed to by undisclosed donations cortiousy of some Wall Street elites, no less then the various Republican nominees have.
It's all come down to a war of the respective super pacs now; and far from running out of dirt, I kinda expect the super pacs can continue raking over material, and even borrow and re-hash material used already. AKA, a little creative editing, Obama's super pac could re-use Gingrich's Bain capital jabs, re-tooled just enough to look fresh, etc.... It isn't like these super pacs or the candidates have copyrighted any of their dirty campaign lines..... And as long as all the candidates can continue to claim they have no prior knowledge of what their super pacs said, or re-hashed from other campaigns critisism of whoever; perhaps with just a little more dirt diging to re-inforce someone elses idea with just a little twist mixed in....
justina777, you are exactly right. I agree with you 100% Santorum will never get in the BIG House
Cynthia....POTUS 2012 is already in the W-House
Republican and Teabagger heads will be exploding on November 2012
Demoncrats and redumblicans are crazy. Only God is right. Yeshua is the Messiah and only the real christians and the real J ews are sane. Everyone else is nuts. :)
Nice try, Dan, but the Democratic primaries in 2008 were nothing like the savage idiocy we see going on now with the GOP. Seriously not even close, and it's laughable that you'd even try to make that assertion. The entire Republican Party is circling the drain and it's probably for the good of America that it's being hastened by this circus of a GOP primary season.
chester, you calling a Christian Pastor a Marxist? You've already lost any creds as a common sense person, no different than Santorum saying he wishes he could have taken the last line of his spewage about JFK back. Not even MAN enough to apologize, and then still go back and trash JFK's speech. The rest of your vitriolic bantering is just that, bantering. You both could go watch the movie Titanic several times and place bets whether it will hit an iceberg each time and still lose.
Fantom you said it which is one of the reasons I ignore Chester. Anyone who uses that line of reasoning is way off base, espically when he disrepects Obama by calling him ODUMMER, which is really pathetic.
Actually Chester, the man has 3 years of experience being the President of the United States. Which is 3 more years of experience than any of the other candidates.
Chester12 says that Obama has no political experience. Except for the trivial details that he served eight years in the Illinois State Senate, four years in the US Senate, and now three years as US President. Chester, are you a pathological liar or just incredibly stupid?
This public verbal "DIS"-respect for our President is so repulsive. Way to show the "entire world" how totally ignorant some republicans & T-bangers really are.
reeality - keep in mind that DISrespect does go both ways. The comments I see on the Vine regarding the Republican candidates (Governors, Senators and Congressmen) and others would suggest a level of ignorance on the left. Terms like "T-bangers" immediately comes to mind........
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I hope the religious zealot Santo wins. It would be a fitting answer to "Let them go bankrupt" Bain capital ceo Mitt. Maybe he can drive off in one of his wives two Cadillac's with his head hung LOW?
Or maybe we could adopt a policy of Laissez-faire and be a lot better off then we are now? Excuse Mitt for being more successful and smart with his money then others.. Maybe if the government had made choices like Mitt we wouldn't be in this mess. At least Mitt can hold his head HIGH because he's been able to show he knows how to thrive in an economy such as this. It's just what our country needs.
Don't forget he's wearing his blue jeans and betting $10K he doesn't care about the poor.
Romney's blue jeans - maybe a t-shirt would be good too. And cowboy boots.
Yes, Davendale, Romney is a great role model for us in these tough economic times. He made money the old fashioned way, he inherited it.
Actually Zorro, he didn't inherit it, he earned it. You should actually take the time to read about him sometime. It's a good story.
I could care less for the poor! Get off their butts and work hard, and they will likely not be poor anymore!
I work hard and I am successful, and I damned well do not plan to give anything to those who will not get off their butts and help themselves!
We got rid of one Socialist country not 20 years ago, and dow we are heading towards becoming one!
Doesn't matter. A donkey cannot beat a dumbo because people vote by parties.
I'd take another Bush over Romney or a Santorum.
Perry crashed and burned early. He was the obvious bush replacement, didnt do so well....
Funny thing is, the next Bush up, actually would have an advantage. Unlike George W.; Jeb doesn't sound like an idiot when he speaks. Jeb would be closer to their father, then he would be to his brother; in the public speaking department....
before you give Jeb Bush the vote ... I was living in florida when he passed the law that if you felt threatened you could shoot someone ... now don't get me wrong. I believe a person should be able to defend themselves but shortly after the vote a puppy was stabbed because the man "felt threatened" and I am sorry but feeling threatened could be a broad term obviously interpreted in very dangerous ways. I personally hope we are done with the Bush's in office ... the dad didn't do so bad but GW was the one I voted for his first term .. before the second term I was greatly disappointed in my choice.
Jeb has to much family baggage, his daughter was a prespriction drug abuser and his son an achololic does sit to well with the family values crowd.
Disney's Goofy would be 100 times better than Obama ....
Really Big Ben, and did you vote for Palin as Alaska's governor too? Hush, and let the adults speak.
I never voted for Obama .... "LOL"
Did you .... ??
YES, proudly and I will do it again. OBAMA 2012. You never answered the question... by the way.
Obama out in 2012 ....
BigBen is Palin!
Please, Ben! Don't insult Goofy by comparing him with Obama! You may get sued!
Yes I voted for The Greatest Modern President in the History of the USA and will do it again.....nobody beats him in that clown car. NOBODY OBAMA 2012
Adios Scary Sary Payme.....oh I mean bigbendalaska.......lol......
No: if he WERE Palin, he's have thrown in the towel and resigned by now.
Acutally, Bigben isn't smart enough to be Palin. How bad is that....
Are you saying that big ben is that rapture freaken loon from wasilly alaska? The santorectum supporter? Oh good lord.
YES<YES>, bigbenalaska, I voted for President Obama and am going to vote for him again.To compare him with Goofy is so ignorant and totally disrespectful.Who is goofier than that ditz Palen from your state?
My black lab would be much better as well, at least He doesn't talk !
can just hear Jimmy talking to Rosalyn, saying, "Thank God for Obama!" "Now, I am not the worst, most incompetent president in American history!"
"Thanks you Obama, Obama, Obama!: LMAO
This loser Santorum couldn't even win PA in his last election as an incumbant! A vote for rick is a vote for the incompetent Obama!
Well atleast in these photos they don't look something like the dinosaurs in Jurrasic Park. I am a republican and always have been. Based on the change in the apperance of the photo posts, the media seems to be thinking a republican might win this election.
Mark, all sniping aside. for which one of these guys does an intelligent, educated Republican vote? I mean, unless you are a religious right winger, in the top 1% or just plain ignorant I am curious as to who you really think will do a better job than Obama.
Please do not quip "anybody" as that is not an answer and I am genuinely curious as to what would make someone vote for a candidate that swears up and down he wants to reduce government size and intervention while imposing his beliefs in peoples' bedrooms. Seems a bit hypocritical. Anyone?
Well as honest as I can be, no matter which party has been in control, they have played the game that has benefitted their party the best to re-electected the next term. The American people know this and seem to believe this time will be different. I really don't care which party gets elected. I only care that the things that need to be fixed get done.
Thinkingmom, I really think that none of the candidates for president, including the most obscure third or fourth party candidate could do much worse than we have now. We have a president who gives billions to countries that hate us, destroys our oil, coal and natural gas industries, and pours billions into the gaping maws of his "green" energy industries. The current president ignores the religious rights of any religion that does not agree with his extremely liberal beliefs on birth control and abortion. The basic Democratic canon.... You can believe anything you wish.... as long as you agree with them!
Dan:
I agree, it is hard to do much worse. Our country spends billions and billions of dollars on others with political intentions. Politics aside, unless we get our finances in control, we will no longer be able to help those that honestly (honestly) need it.
Mark-978734,The Presidents job is the Commander In Chief of our military.He has done a wonderful job in that department. In case you didn't know, the Congress did everything they could to block him from fulfilling a lot of promises he made in 2008.He needs their cooperation in order to sign the Bills.If the American people did not put all of those lamebrain TEA Party haters in the Congress in 2010, maybe more of the Preidents Agenda would have been carried out.He started out trying to be BI-Partisan and it didn't work. So look out this time around, because he is going to take a different approach.Believe me, we are better off with him than anyone of the clowns running against him now.
Dan M-1100664, Who gave away more money than President Bush.Who do you think started this deficit?President Clinton left a surplus.As soon as Bush got in he went to war.President Obama inherited this mess and has done a damn good job at trying to clean it up. He cares about this country and EVERYBODY in it, not just the 1%, EVERYBODY. If all of you Haters just admit he's a Black man and he is doing a better job than you all thought he would. He is smarter and more educated than you all ever thought he would be. Use your brains and handle the truth, open your eyes and quit letting hate guide your opinions.
As Santorum has said - Education is a very bad thing. I'll bet he thinks that if we elect an idiot, he would get the job. The last republican idiot didn't work out too well but 3 years is too long for republicans to remember.
JimS....Good point.
I was curious, though, as to why Santorum, who has 3 college degrees, would tell his constituants that a higher education is bad. He gets a higher education, then tries to dumb everyone else down? Given that data, I think Santorum is the snob.
Santorum...graduated 1980 Penn State....B.A., went on to the Univ. of Pittsburg for M.B.A, then on to Dickerson School of Law for Juris Doctorate.
Could it be that he is opposed to everyone getting an education, except HIM? Guess he thinks we're all to stupid to check this stuff out for ourselves...LMAO!!!
He is opposed to others having a College education, Rick Santorum would like an uneducated population they are easier to push around, in Santorum world he's God
I also goggled his back ground he's also a FOOL.
I bet his children will ALL attend College and get advanced degrees....Thank God for the Internet and the information we have access too....If not for a College education none of this would have been possible in Santorum world your access to information would be taken away and only used by the elite and very rich...Santorum would like to take the country back to a time when only the very rich sent their children to College. I can tell by his attitude that he is threaten by women and minorities having a College education, he appeals too the racist in the Party, he appeals too the ONE'S that have DESTROYED the REPUBLICAN PARTY, the Party of Lincoln...It was once a great party ...but has gone too FAR-RIGHT...and the IDIOTS are now running the Party...It will recover...years from now...after we have cleaned it up...and gotten rid of the Newt's and Santorum of the Party...Its time to get out the broom and clean house....If not for a College education we would NOT HAVE these profession:
Engineers
Doctor, Surgeons
Nurses, Technicians
Teacher, Professors
Math and Science
Geologist, Geophysicist
and the list goes on....the last time a I checked the College educated vote....
College is vital and it does not make a person a snob, the snobs were already snobs before they got an education...If anyone is a SNOB its SANTORUM he's the one that thinks he's better than 99% of the population....in fact he think he's better than the people he made the comment too....
Thinking Mom, I feel Mitt Romney would do a much better job than Barry! We have a Man who's only background is as a community organizer, do You know what that entails ? He has pretty much been aided by the government His entire life. He has never held a civilian job, never ran business, never ran anything but His mouth. Then You have a highly successful business Man that has bailed out a bankrupt olympics and made them profitable. A man that has built a lot of wealth, and now the liberals have Him embarrassed over his wealth. If I were Him I stand up and say He has lived the American dream and is proud of the money He has made. When You take His charitable contributions and tax's paid, I believe He has paid more than His fair share. Obama has all of You griping about the rich not paying enough, when You should worry about paying to much. The money the government brings in and waste is truly sickening. And don't tell Me Obama is for the Middle Class, if that were the case, don't You think that is who he would have in His cabinet ? Don't You ever wonder why He has all Goldman Sachs people in there ? Oh that's because He for the poor folk lol !
Well Sherobes,
It is quite evident education has passed you by!
If you are an example of that group that supports our incompetent, inept idiot in the WH now, I feel better about winning in November!
Tell-tale sign of the state of the Republican Party in 2012: Senator Olympia Snow declines to seek re-election, citing the gridlock in Washington. The conservatives have brought our country down, and they must be stopped. The November elections will decide if we as a nation will fall backwards with the GOP conservatives or move forward and upward with the Democrats who are committed to progress. The Four Stooges currently heading the GOP candidates for president are a sad reminder of just how sick the conservative movement really is in this country. The anti-intellectualism, anti-education conservative sentiment sweeping over our nation will bring us to second- and even third-world status before 2025 if we allow the conservatives to rule this country starting in 2013.
The democrats are no different - serving the same masters. They talk the talk, but we saw what they did when we gave them the power. Crooks - same as the republicans. We're screwed no matter who gets elected.
David
Maybe she is tired of Harry Reid's obstruction of the House Bills sent to the Senate.
These are NOT Conservatives. They are poll-driven reactionaries and Theocrat zealots. I heard a comment today about Barry Goldwater--a genuine Constitutionalist Conservative. The conclusion was that if he were alive now, he'd be a Democrat, out of disgust with what his party has descended to. And that sums up everything...
The bad news is that Olympia Snow was one of the better Congress persons.... So we'll get to vote for more of the same either way; and one of the people who actually bothers to think about the issues rather then feed into all this mania that has so disgusted the country with Congress in general, is out.... Great :(
The Congressional "Gridlock" is solely due to the "Norquist Pledge"; which has 41 Senators & 238 Congressmen (plus Mitt & Newt too..) held hostage to the #1 Lobbyist for the Keystone Pipeline. Grinding lawmaking to a virtual stop is almost "treasonous", in their determination to make Obama a "one term" President?? "Tea Party People"; If they want "TRUE TAX REFORM" just follow their "namesakes"; grab their "axes" and "AX THE TAX CODE"?? With its $1.1TRILLION in "breaks, Exemptions & loopholes"; Plus allows 45% to pay NOTHING?? THERE IS YOUR "DEFICIT"??
Romney, Santorum, Obama... what's the difference? It's all the same thing with a different twist. Ron paul is the only one that makes any sense whatsoever. It still puzzles me why he's not the frontrunner.
Ron Paul is not the front runner because people with any intelligence realize that he is a crack-pot.
Ron Paul is too intelligent and sensible to be popular. I don't like his ideas but respect his integrity in holding to them for more than 3 weeks.
thats damn true @greg
Unlike Romney who can't figure out if he's for abortion or against abortion.... Or more like it, for abortion if he's speaking to the league of women voters, but against abortion if he's speaking to a group of Catholics....
Bush
was Governor of Texas and look at how he destroyed the economy, Bush and the Good old Boy machine here in Texas are still trying to think up ways too continue to destroy the country, their next target is the Labor department.
None of the clowns running except Ron Paul has military service
Rick Santorum, Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney they never served in the Military
None of the people running in the Republican Party has any accounting experience if they did they would not be running.
You should read a really good history book, the last time I checked the office of the Presidency did not require previous experience
Bush was just a figure head, you see, here in Texas the Governor has NO real power or authority to do any thing...Bush was not really running Texas, it was the Lt. Governor that has ALL of the real POWERS
Chester12, give it a rest.
I think that both of these Dumbos should donkey punch each other...at the very least it should help to pucker up Santorum's bunghole enough so that he doesn't have any more anal leakage!
Romney's wife owns two Escalades so they shouldn't have too much trouble packing up and getting out of Michigan ASAP.
Buy American ....
big, he buys American and banks his money offshore. He'd probably say, "One out of two ain't bad, give me some credit!"
But are you saying that you would like it all .... ??
If you are making 300k or below in this country and you vote for one of these greedy republican idiots, you are, quite literally, voting to take your money and hand it over to the rich! If you are making over that and only care for yourself then I could certainly see why you would want one of these canidates to win.
Republican tax cuts for the wealthy provided Americans making more than $1 million with a $128,832 benefit, while Americans earning from $40,000 to $50,000 got an $860 benefit on average.
Sound fair to you? NO? That's because it isn't. The deck is already stacked against the poor and middle-class and these jokers want to make it even more unjust.
Excuse him for being successful. Maybe that's why he's running for President.
Actually, it'd be more like "buy Toyota, and really help the American worker...." Perhaps it would help to buy from American companies, if those self same companies didn't prefer the "made in China" label for the parts they make their stuff out of...
He's successful? At what cost...to the american laborer? Ethically, he is poor and unsuccessful.
DavenDale--Being successful is great, if you do it on your own and not on others backs. Also, if you do it honestly, not shady by illegal investments, putting your money out of the country and not paying your fair share of taxes like the average American has to. Anyone, like Romney, can run for President to represent this country and it's citizens if they have no conscience and don't have to look in the mirror at themselves.
I can understand your point. However there doesn't seem to be much money in this country at the moment. Investing over seas might be the smart choice. As far as Morally he also has not had any affairs, and a squeaky clean record morally. Ethically, you're right. He has a duty to pay taxes just like everyone else, but sometimes things need to be sacrificed for things to function most efficiently. I'm interested with what Romney could do with the American government. Cutting unnecessary programs and positions, and putting the country back where it needs to be economically, or at least a good start. Then we can start to focus on creating jobs. Have to fix the break in the pipe before we fix the stiff handle of the faucet.
Both Mitt & Newt have signed the almost "treasonous" Norquist Pledge. For "True Tax Reform" just for starters: "AX THE TAX CODE"?? Therein lies your "DEFICIT"??
Not surprised by Arizona. I lived there for about 20 years and it has a considerable Mormon population. They are just like to party-line voters. Dont give a damn whether their candidate has killed people of not...just vote the party-line....or in this case the Mormon line
Yea, Florida also have a considerable Mormon population, Michigan too, Masasschusts as well, and all the states where Romney won.......Grow up men.LOL
Whats wrong with Mormons voting for one of their own? I know Mormons who don't vote for Romney. Try not to generalize. It's like calling Catholic's who voted for JFK party-line voters.
It's ignorant, intolerant comments like yours that are completely presumptuous and have no real credibility. It just shows how prejudiced the world (and you) is about religion. I wonder what is SO threatening? So, let's see, The "GREAT" JFK was Catholic. I wonder how much we heard about that? Oh, Rick Santorum is a "religious right wing nut." Really?? What you all don't get, is this whole left and right labeling is BS!! What matters most is who is going to follow the constitution, not tear it apart?! Remember that piece of history? No? Well maybe it's because our school system has "progressed" in Socialism for so long, no one knows a DAMN thing what's right for this country anymore. What a bunch of fools. So here we are America, arguing on internet boards like a bunch of frogs in boiling water. Wake UP!!!
Your worried about the mormon vote,...and blacks don't vote for obama. HA HAH HHHAH HAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHA
I know lots of mormons and they don't vote the way you say they do. Its not even close yo the truth.
What I want to know is who is voting for Santorum? The guy is obviously mentally unstable. I could see it now if he became President. "Mr. President why do you want to use Nuclear weapons on California". "Because Jesus told me to". "Jesus told me to wipe out all the sinners". The guy is no different than the religous zealots over in the middle-east except he calls his God by a different name. You can not have religous zealots in the White House. Church and State should be separate. Organized religion is notorius for trying to take away freedoms and rights from whatever factor they at the time interpet their little paperback book tells them to. Currently the gay community is in their sites to deny any rights. Prior to that it was the Black community.
Santorum, Newt...during normal times in our most recent history these two men would not have gotten pass the litmus test...neither one of these men would have been taken serious by the Republican party...now they are running as candidates for the highest office in the land....I have two words for you TEA PARTY....not only has the TEA PARTY destroyed the Republican Party and has made it something I no longer recognize, the Republican party has gone so Ultra far-right, the religious-right of the party should also be fearful....because the FOOLS really have taken over the party, it so bad that it has made Ron Paul look normal....Mitt Romney may win the nomination..but has little chance of taking office...he too has some serious luggage....his take over of other companies and putting the company's and people out of business and sending those jobs to China will not play well with American people in November....too bad no one of quality is really running...
Chester12, you say that Obama's dog trainer died? Wow! Thanks for telling me. I was going to vote for Obama, but now maybe I won't.
@chester
PRESIDENT OBAMA GOT BIN LADIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want him to continue running this country (in spite of the tactics of this do-nothing to help the American people congress), NOT dog training.
Chester12,you are correct when you say that people should not vote for a president based on his or her color,they also should not vote against one because of his or her color.
You say that 95% of black people voted for Obama because of his color,half African,half European,which you are likely considering him black,92% of blacks voted for Clinton would you say that they voted for him because of his color.
Most black people all ways vote democratic because democrats are a better choice for poor people,working people,people with dark skin ,females,retired people,etc.
BREAKING NEWSSSS romney sucks,really look who they give us lmao wtf,vote ron paul ,these dudes are tools,and care nothing for us people.
go mitt! ron paul is finished, not gonna happen.
Romney! What a darned idiot...World is going to HELL!
The world already has gone to hell!
Obama is president and Reid is Majority leader. The only way it was worse was having that San Francisco
worthless piece of garbage, Pelosi, as House Speaker!
We got rid of 1, now only 2 to go!
Come on November 2012!