Yes but Democrats can help Republicans dream, can't they? (Sarah says she's available dontyaknow).

meanwhile the Washinngton Post reported today that less than 12% of Romney's contributions are coming from small donors (compared with 70% of President Obama's...) yet another indication of just how narrow that base of support is for Mitt's second run.

I bet Tim Pawlenty is pissed he dropped out after Iowa.

the mainstream Republican conservative groups, must not have any toes left, having shot themselves in the foot so many times; Romney is their best bet, the pendulum swung to far left with Obama, the American people do not want anything to far right; a pendulum always winds up in the middle,

Oh yeah Saxon, ther pendulum really wound up in the middle in our last election in 2010. Tha'ts why the libs lost the House and nearly lost the Senate, huh?

And it's President Obama in a landslide victory !!

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Palin 2012-2014 1/2

The only way the GOP could win in November is if they nominated Obama as their candidate

The GOP have no hope because they have no Real candidate, I have not seen one that can be taken seriously, it's like the Three Blind Mice, Not one has said anything that makes sense, these people think somehow their supposed faith will make things right again, hate to say this but a wish and a prayer is not going to work, I really don't think even Obama can fix the mess We are in, if it was me I would put everything on the chopping block and start chopping and increase the Tax rates for everyone, even more for the top earners,and NO free ride everyone on Welfare would need to work in Public service, I don't care if it's cleaning rubbish on the side of road, there would Be NO FREE rides, But no one has the BALLS to do what needs to be done, so no matter how much both sides blame each other and Who gets elected the ship is going down, I've been in business management all my life and somethings can't be fixed without some serious hardcore business decisions, followed by serious actions ..

Behold republicans, your choice between 4 empty suits. They all look, think, and believe the same. Pick your loser, becuase none of them can win in November.

It is becoming increasingly clear that the GOP does not have a unified political message nor a unified base of voters. (Not that the democratic party does...) In fact, politics has become a game of fragmentation and polarization. Candidates can get a part of the vote, but none can get a majority because of their own extreme views that only some support. So, whomever ends up being the GOP nominee (and perhaps president) will have 75% of the voters disagreeing with them on major issues, and in the end, no one will be entirely happy with the outcome.

Spider,

Go back and talk to those voters who got the 2010 crowd elected and ask them if they feel like they got what they voted for.

If Christie is the best they can come up with, myself and a lot of others will be voting Democratic. He hasn't done a thing for NJ and to date has spent his entire time promoting himself. Not yet in the limelight, his past will finally come out and sink him and the party.

They all look, think, and believe the same

Apparently you don't know very much about the candidates.

None of the Repub candidates are strong enough to win in Nov. Repub. voters can't even make up their mind either. It is a fractured party and they are not going to get anywhere. Their attempts at stalling any other agenda other than their own tells you exactly where their loyalty lies. They are not for bettering America for all, they just want to get Obama out. Their hate and loathing of anything that is not the Repub way will be the end of their white house dreams. It's time to vote out those Repubs that refuse to work together, for ALL Americans, not just the rich. What will be interesting is if that orange faced fair weather blower, Trump, will endorse someone else if Romney continues to slip. All he wants is to get a position in someones administration, anyones. His interest is not in bettering America but his own influence and power.

So it looks like we are stuck with bad because this nation can't find anyone worth electing.

Our choices again are a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

Agreed. One of the candidates, probably Romney will limp to the nomination.

But what the right-wing neglects to accept and admit is that if any of the others -- Haley Barbour, Mitch Daniels, Chris Christie, even Jeb Bush -- had entered the race, they too would have risen and fallen. Not as bad as Rick Perry did, but the vetting process would hurt them too. And these guys know it and this is why they won't run. IMO Jeb Bush would do best, but would still have to contend with the Dynasty and Schiavo stain. Palin, ha -- She's just trying to increase her earning potential as always.

Even VP picks like Rubio or McDonnell have a lot of baggage, and Pawlenty or others just don't bring enough to the table for a win. There are times when a Party just doesn't have winning candidates to offer. And the bottom line is President Obama has been a good president in representing ALL Americans, and they can't beat that.

But in the case of Republicans, they also lack a platform and are suffering from backlash to those old, failed policies, obstructionism, as well as new far-right overreach. The GOP/TP have WAY more to work out than just candidates.

In the meantime folks are asking "Where are the women?" The next presidential election would go well for Hillary or some other qualified female, and it would be nice to see more women run for congress. Not Bachmann types mind, you "qualified" candidates.

Ron Paul clearly won the debate last night. Yet, because of the establishment media, nothing changes, because the majority of the sheeple just go by what the media spin is. The greatest thing about our country is our Liberty. Ron Paul has the integrity, the consistency and protects the Constitution. He is the modern day Thomas Jefferson!

TruePatriot: You can't forget that the "vetting process" also means being eaten alive by their own party by way of negative attack ads, misinformation campaigns, and dirty politics.

Bdjb: I disagree with the idea that Ron Paul is a victim of the media. Today there are numerous avenues for someone to get their message out -- especially with the internet, and Ron Paul has had no shortage of exposure. If voters were going to have taken to him, they would have.

Hell, even Herman Cain was a frontrunner at one point.

Ron Paul has participated in 20(ish?) nationally televised debates, is constantly giving interviews, and has a passionate following. His poll numbers are as a result of HIS message, not the media's.

I like Ron Paul but he is nuttier than a snickers bar.

The headline says it all. No one to come off of the bench to save the game. Why? Because there's no one there to do any better than the current crop of comedians. To say this is a joke would be an understatement. What is funny is that they've had over three years to put a viable candidate forward to challenge that "hater of America" yet no one even comes remotely close. Even I'm shocked at this.

So it looks like we are stuck with bad because this nation can't find anyone worth electing.

Oh yes we can. In fact, we did and are going to do it again.

I am impressed with Obama's patience. I thought he was losing last Summer, when the Tea Party and McConnel were trying to tank the economy in order to win the 2012 election.

I really thought the Tea Party had a chance.

I am proud of Obama, for his discipline and maturity.

It looks to me like no matter which GOP candidate runs, Obama will win handily.

@ Jack Colton, They still may!

Ron played romney's attack poodle, and if that's what you call "winning", boy is it going to be fun in the fall.

The truth is that republicans have NOBODY who can run effectively for president, not in the field nor in the wings. They managed to stage a Communist like coup in 2010, with 16% of the potential voting public actually supporting them, but they haven't moved much from those numbers since, and figure this election, even with republican attempts to rig voting laws, something closer to 55% or more of voters will turn out, as opposed to the 30% that turned out 2010. And elections since 2010 show most of these additional voters don't think much of republican policies or governing abilities demonstrated since 2010.

Ron Paul, the only one worth voting for on either sides of the political line.

ABO

nuff said!

Ron Paul has participated in 20(ish?) nationally televised debates, is constantly giving interviews, and has a passionate following. His poll numbers are as a result of HIS message, not the media's.

Correct, but you got to blame someone. And it's always a convenient excuse.

I don't know what's worse. Not being able to find a suitable candidate. Or democrats being proud of what they have have come up with.

In a basic fundamental level Obama is no different than Romney or Newt. They all have their strings pulled by corporations.

Santorum is too much of a bible thumper. His ideology is no different than the ideology that runs Islamic nations through the religion of Islam. He just has a different religion under his belt.

For some reason too many people think Paul is "nutty" for correctly calling many of the perils our nation faces. Not sure why possibly because he has and always will go against the new American norm on the political stage. I don't see the fear of his anti war stance. It's no different than before WWII. Quit being the aggressor and if attacked by a nation respond with a response that would give anyone pause to attempt such foolish action again.

So we are stuck with politicians and ideological mantras instead of a leader. I wish us all luck we are going to need it.

I think without mitigating factors, Romney could go head to head with Obama. He would really need to backtrack though to win back the favor of independents that he has been losing in droves. However, right now the government is not popular but the republicans are viewed far worse. The governors over reaching is really spurring people to get out and its probably going to effect even the presidential election. The GOP had their butts kicked not by Obama, but by the tea party they failed to rein in. Their own leaders are so divided its sad.

It would be unfair and un-democratic to ignore and insult the primary voters by nominating anyone who missed the original filing date. If one of the ones that dropped out wants to get back in, I see nothing wrong with that since they have already been on the ballots, but someone new or a brokered candidate would invalidate the whole primary process.

States that moved up their primaries are being penalized in delegates. How is a late entry any different? If there is a late entry they should also be penalized by a reduction in delegates to be consistent with the other rules of the primaries.

The GOP would also risk having a lot of angry people feeling betrayed who would not vote for a late entry or brokered candidate just out of principle. They'd probably throw their votes to a third party candidate instead.

Recent polls say that a majority of Republicans do not want a brokered convention and expect one of the current candidates to be the nominee. Violating the wishes of a majority of your party and going against the established rules is not a good idea unless you're trying to downsize your party.

Watching the Republican debate last night I was reminded of what a great country China is.

Is this really the best we can do? Because it stinks.

And I think the more media attention Ron Paul receives the worse he would look. He has made a lot of inflammatory remarks about Reagan, Republicans, and others (in writing) that would make great campaign fodder for his opponent.

Not to mention the newsletter issue which no one seems to care about....if any other candidate, Republican or Democrat, had said those types of things in a newsletter with their name on it they would have been vilified. Check wiki if you dont know what I am talking about.

Which is kind of strange Mike considering the majority of republicans say they are not satisfied with the current field, something like 55%.

Ron Paul is an idealist. Idealists don't make good national leaders.

Here are some positions that are completely unrealistic:

Paper money in unconstitutional; only gold is legal tender (this would destroy our economy)

Civil Rights Act was more about property than race relations (code for: I am a bigot)

We don't need laws to tell us to not use heroin (in your dreams!)

Recycling consumes more energy than it saves (yes but, recycling is a higher-priority than energy)

I believe in market regulation, but not federal regulation (yeah right, let the states do it? or better yet, let industry self-regulate?)

Close departments of Energy, Education & Homeland Security (Idiot)

Vaccinating 12-year-olds against HPV is bad medicine (cause the bible tells me so! Push abstinence. Yeah, that works real well)

The GOP have no hope because they have no Real candidate

Candidate schmandidate. They have no MESSAGE.

The best they can do is twist Ronald Reagan's words around and pretend that it's still 1984.

Their only policies are 'let's help rich people get richer at the expense of the middle class'; and 'to distract the middle class, let's blame minority groups and foreigners for everything that's wrong'.

Ron Paul.

If you disagree, you're not thinking hard enough about what our society has become, or what it could potentially be. After all, a little more Bondo will stop that rust... right?

Wecandoit

you are spuoting pure crap. you can't backit up.

Jan-21270

Which is kind of strange Mike considering the majority of republicans say they are not satisfied with the current field, something like 55%.

Yes, the polls do appear to be in opposition, but it depends on how the questions are asked and that they aren't all asked at the same time. Polls also show all four of the candidates with very similar percentages in a match-up with Obama too.

That says to me that although they may not like the current slate of candidates as much as others they wish would have run, they will come together and back the one who does win the primaries and they don't want a brokered convention because they still want to be an integral part of the process and not overridden by the party leaders. I think that taken together that is quite consistent with both the polls and what GOP supporters I know are saying.

Unfortunately, those who say that neither party can fix the mess are probably right.

The GOP refuses to increase revenue (taxes)... even though their god, Reagan, did so eleven different times. He even increased capital gains taxes. But this current GOP would brand Reagan a socialist if he were alive today. You can not continue to just cut taxes over and over, eventually you hit the zero mark and no one is paying. With a debt and deficit of our current size, we have to pay it off. Reagan understood this, why can't the current GOP?

On the same token, you can not cut costs by laying off millions of government jobs. All those jobs are people who spend money. We are in a consumer spending economy. What happens when millions of people suddenly stop buying goods and services? What happens when a company gets a tax cut, but loses 20% of their customers? Their profits go down, then they need to cut costs to stay profitable, so they lay off workers. Then those workers are no longer spending, and another company loses customers... and the process continues.

And the Democrats don't have the balls to stand up to the GOP. They just give them everything they want. So now we have tax cuts that can never be undone because the Democrats won't stand up to the GOP.

What we need is someone to stand up and tell everyone to start acting like adults. We have a debt problem and we need to pay it off, so taxes have to increase. We have a big government problem and areas need to be cut, but not jobs, so let's look at where we can cut that won't put people in the unemployment line. Let's look at legislation that has cost us billions but has failed. Let's look at new area's for tax revenue. Leave your social, moral and religious issues at home, where they belong. Let's cut out ALL lobbyists and their corrupt money.

But that will never happen, because anyone who stands up and says that will be vilified by Fox... and half the country are just lemmings for that network, doing whatever they are told.

Vote for Indie!

IndieParty,

Ronald Reagan couldn't win if he ran in this Primary. He was the party favorite back in his day and still revered by many today, but he would be far too moderate and centrist for the far right who is dominating the primaries these days. Being closer to the center is how he pulled in so many Reagan Democrats who were moderates or social progressives but fiscally conservative. Reagan was also very likable, which seems to be a problem for Romney and Gingrich. Santorum and Paul, at least are likable guys, even if you don't agree with them.

ted patrick

Wecandoit

you are spuoting pure crap. you can't backit up.

Here ya go Ted:

issues2000.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

I think we should bring Hillary home from where ever she is and put her in the race against Obama. THEN, we would have a real blast.

Basically the republicans are shooting themselves in the foot. Polls say that any republican that are acceptable to the most republicans has no chance with the independents, let alone the democrates. This just shows the stupidity of republicans. Gingrich, Santorum, and most of the others that have tried to beat down Romney would hand Obama a landslide. The Republicans continuing with this stupidity just make it less likely that even Romney can win. From all that is happening I think that most republicans must want Obama for a second term.

Republicans seem consider him a liberal, but I do not think him a liberal. He has been strong on defense, strong on the war against drugs. etc. Very little of his policies seem to be left of moderate.

The smell of desperation wafts through the air like the stench of brimstone.

Maybe that's what Santorum keeps harping about.

Ah, yes, Ron Paul. The one who wants to dismantle the EPA, FDA, Department of Education, FCC, etc. etc.

Coming soon to an America near you - SOMALIA 2!

Come on guys/gals, if you read thru all of the posts here you can see what a big part of the problem is, a third of everyone is so far right they dont even want to consider anything else, same for the third on the left and then there is a third in the middle that seems to listen and evaluate. The truth is that nothing will get better with people blindly following their political party. Dems think Reps favor the rich and do everything for the rich, well go back and look at the voting records and you will see in congress that dems vote for the same benefits for the rich. Reps think dems want to enhance entitlements but do the same, go look at voting records and you will see reps voting for the same.

The political/voting system is completely broken...think about the election process, we have no term limits so the politicians can have that nice cushy job for their entire life if they can just walk the tight rope enough to get re-elected. Once re-elected they can vote for their raises, benefits...etc. These elections are also funded primarily by "donations"?? really? Does that sound right to everyone to let people/corporations donate all of this money to the campaigns and lets face it, the one with the most $$ seems to win more times than not because of the media and dare I say ignorance by a decent percentage of people in America that believe everything they see on TV.

So this election will see the hard core left vote left, hard core right vote right and the biggest pot of dollars will most likely suck the middle to their side and win. Until we apply term limits, change the funding and most importantly the ignorant masses of people who simply vote left or right bc thats what they do instead of listening and voting on principal we will continue to have this bs, non-performing government. Nothing gets met on in the middle with common sense, just left being left and right being right and no one willing to make a stand bc they would be jeopardizing their own future employment...its sad

bull, Construction. Obama is a centrist. You've just been hogwashed to the right so far by Rupert Murdock's media empire that you don't know what a real liberal looks like any more.

Realamerican just validated my point, go defend the left...what makes you think I am a republican or a democrat...nothing I stated above has anything to do with my political view or what news show I watch. I vote democrat and republican based on what I see and hear for myself, not what is spoon fed to me at 5 and 10 o'clock. I actually voted for Obama but you cant honestly say he is a centrist or that his presidency has been a great 4 years for us. He walked in to a $hit storm and has made it worse and will drive us further in debt which is even worse but I still think he is better than any of the GOPers running now...doesn't make me dem or reb, I would call myself educated on the subject as opposed to a realamerican apparently...

mike,

I agreed with everything you said, until you got to the point of saying Santorum is a likable guy. Paul, ok... I will admit that he is likable and has some good ideas, and some not-so-good. But Santorum is only likable to ultra-religious white men. I personally know die-hard Republicans who are pushing an ABS (Anyone but Santorum) message now because they are so scared of his extremists views.

But you are right about Reagan. Ignoring all platforms, I would say that any party that goes too extreme will have a difficult time winning... they have to stay moderate. But I have doubts that the more extreme side of the GOP, supported by their only news network, will allow them to swing back towards the middle. Who knows?... Maybe losing the election will spur a rift in the GOP, splitting the extreme and moderate voters, and creating a third party that is more attractive to independents.

Reality: Oh come on. America is not going to pay attention to the loon called Ron Paul...seriously? The guy who said Abe Lincoln was a "dictator" for taking us into an unnecessary war (over a stupid thing called slavery?) He of the racist, hate filled newsletters? he who supposedly loves the constitutiton (but who wants women excluded from that little ol' right to privacy thing?) He of legalized prostitution and heroin who thinks the answer to america's problems is that we all carry gold dabloons in our pockets?? Come on..he's nuts. AND luckilyl ineffective (never gotten a single piece of legislation passed in his entire so-called "career"). He's helping Romney only to get to the convention and carve the way for JR. to one day hopefully be taken more seriously than he is....

Anyone that can work with half a Government and still accomplish what Obama did should get a second term no matter what the Sheep says, see I don't see anything the GOP has accomplished but hurt the economy recover, and I bet they are damned proud of it .... And they thing they should be put in the drivers seat, you people should put down that Budweiser and get out from behind that TV and really look around, the Government still operated without the GOP's help and imagine without the GOP how much better it will be, I know we all can imagine what can be accomplished with a fully working government ....

“knight in shining armor” could, or should, ride in to “save” the GOP at the last moment.

They will probably just get the tin man from the Wizard of Oz, in much need of oil. Should be no problem, the GOP is "best friends "with big oil prostitutes.

IRESPOND - the first thing I thought of when I read your post is that it will probably be Dick Cheney.

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

Give it up Mainstream media and Big money! No Indies are going to vote for Santorum or Grinch.

They are not even on the ballot in all 50 states. THEY CANNOT WIN!

The big money is just propping them up so they can continue to marginalize Ron Paul.

Somebody mentioned the 20 or so debates... Did anyone notice who was seated farthest from the mediator EVERY SINGLE TIME? Ron Paul. What are the odds of that occuring naturally?

Only Ron Paul can draw voters away from Obama!

Liberals for Ron Paul 20122

Bring the troops home NOW!

Repeal the patriot act and the NDAA NOW!

Restore value to our currency NOW!

Paul Ryan and Chris Christie huh? Well, Ryan is proficient in "Spooneristic" arithmetic, at least enough to dazzle the hell out of the "tea party crowd".

Christie would be a more fun show. Not often we get to see an over stuffed, New Jersey flapjack, who uses a "block and tackle" to pull his pants on and a "boomerang" to put his belt on to hold 'em up.

The only thing left in their sack is "Jeb Bush" and, well..... he,he, wah,ha,ha,ha,ha.. um, ah, the republicans are screwed.

@ We Can Do It

Paper money in unconstitutional; only gold is legal tender (this would destroy our economy)

Paper money was at one point tied to something of value; gold. You're wrong to think that Ron Paul wants to do away with paper money. He simply wants to return to the gold standard, when paper money represented real value

Civil Rights Act was more about property than race relations (code for: I am a bigot)

We don't need laws to tell us to not use heroin (in your dreams!)

Recycling consumes more energy than it saves (yes but, recycling is a higher-priority than energy)

I am not informed enough to address these but they do sound like lesser priorities in his platform if they are his priorities at all.

I believe in market regulation, but not federal regulation (yeah right, let the states do it? or better yet, let industry self-regulate?)

This one, I'm with you. Markets self regulating? Pfff. Yeah right.

Close departments of Energy, Education & Homeland Security (Idiot)

I personally trust each individual state to devise an education plan that best suits their needs and demographic. A federal bureaucracy can't possibly get it right in every locale.

Vaccinating 12-year-olds against HPV is bad medicine (cause the bible tells me so! Push abstinence. Yeah, that works real well)

I haven't heard this one.

Have you heard, conversely, that he would bring every service member home, shutter our global (very expensive) military industrial complex, end the war on drugs, thereby ending the tyranny of the cartels, allow same sex marriage, regulate medical marijuana? All of which are central to his platform. The things you have mentioned are either unmentioned by Ron Paul himself or are not central issues. The things that I have mentioned, which are central to his platform, would seem to me to be, more important and more worthy of our attention than the things you've mentioned above. They also seem very promising and they seem like good ideas

Ron Pauls problem is he ran on the repuicks ticket everyone is sick of repuicks he would have done better if he ran independent still would not lhave made it but

No Alias Adam

Have you heard, conversely, that he would bring every service member home, shutter our global (very expensive) military industrial complex, end the war on drugs, thereby ending the tyranny of the cartels, allow same sex marriage, regulate medical marijuana? All of which are central to his platform.

Yes, I do agree with many important positions that Ron Paul takes.

I especially agree with his position on foreign policy, that we don't need to be the world's policeman anymore. I steadfastly agree with his comments on Iran, Iraq etc. He is spot on!

Yes, I do agree with many of Ron Paul's positions, including every position you list.

But I am terrified at his fringe positions.

Also, he seems to be too libertarian, way beyond Aynn Rand.

I repeat, he is an idealist. I would love to see a combination of Ron Paul and say, either Obama or Clinton. Hell, even a combination of Ron Paul and Reagan (the real Reagan, not the myth that current Republicans wet dream over).

I can get behind that. Although I do think Ron's quality as a man, his honesty and humility outweigh his (sometimes perceived) fringe ideas and I do believe his focus would be on those central issues I've mentioned rather than the fringe issues you've mentioned. We also have to consider that the president doesn't wield complete authority in our system of governance and would therefore soften some of Ron Paul's more extreme ideas.

A late entry with some one who has two connecting brain cells is THE ONLY HOPE the GOPee has to save it self from these 4 Clowns if not expect a Democratic landslide

Witchking, I have many a-democratic friends and the only GOP candidate they would consider voting for is Ron Paul. I have also read on numerous occasion, from liberals, stating that if Ron Paul is the nominee they would sooner vote for him over Obama. So....that's interesting. I myself would vote for Obama over any other candidate besides Ron as well. I guess the GOP is to blinded by ideology to get it.

Ron Paul or none at all! Freedom and Liberty are very popular!

Have you heard, conversely, that he would bring every service member home, shutter our global (very expensive) military industrial complex, end the war on drugs, thereby ending the tyranny of the cartels, allow same sex marriage, regulate medical marijuana? All of which are central to his platform.

Although I personally agree with all of these points, let's be honest... Ron Paul has a snowball's chance in hell of convincing Congress to go along with any of these.

Seriously, do you actually think the Republicans in Congress will willingly go along with reducing the military, allowing same sex marriage, and legalizing then regulating marijuana? All excellent ideas to help fix the economy, all make sense... and all would be shot down by the GOP.

No Alias Adam

The only way Ron Paul would ever be seriously considered is if he ran as a third party. Because he does not stand a snowballs chance in hell of ever getting the GOP domination the GOP establishment hates him

Well the GOP would have to be explicitly fraudulent to block Ron if people actually voted for their conscience and heart rather than the candidate the media tells them will win. He doesn't stand a chance if people tow the party line because they're not brave enough.

No Alias Adam

No matter what. Ron has criticised the GOP establishment and they do not want any challenges to their authority so they will never hand him the GOP nomination as Ron is an unacceptable threat to the Establishment. The only way they will listen is if he runs as an independent

Ron Paul is the modern day Bilbo Baggins.

dudogger

I thought of him as Smeagol

Ron Paul is going nowhere and either is Romney!

The price of gas will put the economy back to 2008 and Obama as well as many senators will be shown the door.

If democrats and media would have exposed Obama to the vetting process these republicans are forced to endure he would never have come close to winning anything.

Bobby Jones, from waaay up there. Your comment to the post that said all of the candidates are alike is valid to a point; they are quite different individuals so you're correct there, but right now they are all pandering to the hard core base and in that regard sound rather similar. So, in a way, both of you are right. Once the nominee is chosen, they will move to the middle. It's unfortunate but that's the way it is today. I think Ron Paul was correct when, asked in the debate to describe himself in one word, said "consistent". My favorite, however, was Newt with "cheerful". He may be the most corrupt politician on the planet but at least he's smart and has a sense of humor. Part of his cheerfulness, I guess.

Lols at the mainstream media.

Fox news is smearing Ron Paul. MSN is smearing Ron Paul.

The Big Money and the status quo are all united to keep Ron Paul out.

Ron Paul will end thier gravy train, the one the taxpayers pay for.

Ron Paul has tremendous support among the youth, among liberals, and among republicans.

A recent poll in Iowa, a key swing state, shows Ron Paul is the only candidate who wins head to head against Obama.

End the wars, repeal NDAA and the patriot act, restore fiscal sanity to washington, enforce the immigration laws, and bring the troops home now.

These are all liberal values. At least they used to be, before "liberals" started with the whole blind party loyalty thing.

No true liberal could support Obama based on Obama's own actions. Period.

Liberals for Ron Paul 2012

No candidate, no message, no excuse. The GOTea are going to throw Mittens to the wolves and get him out of their hair. They'll gnash their teeth and cry and whine and pretend they really wanted to win, but the truth is that they're going to let the Obama recovery slowly work for a few more years and in 2016 when they don't have to run against an extremely likable incumbent they'll trot out the second string. Given time, perhaps the memory of the Bush recession, the housing crash, the social issues agendas and the whackadoodle candidates will have faded and they'll have a chance to mess things up. Again.

Alil Common Sense

Lols at the mainstream media.

Fox news is smearing Ron Paul. MSN is smearing Ron Paul.

The Big Money and the status quo are all united to keep Ron Paul out.

Ron Paul will end thier gravy train, the one the taxpayers pay for.

Ron Paul has tremendous support among the youth, among liberals, and among republicans.

A recent poll in Iowa, a key swing state, shows Ron Paul is the only candidate who wins head to head against Obama.

End the wars, repeal NDAA and the patriot act, restore fiscal sanity to washington, enforce the immigration laws, and bring the troops home now.

These are all liberal values. At least they used to be, before "liberals" started with the whole blind party loyalty thing.

No true liberal could support Obama based on Obama's own actions. Period.

Liberals for Ron Paul 2012

Trust me, if you are a liberal, you don't want Ron Paul. Why?

Ron Paul wants to end all corporate regulations. This means businesses can pretty much do whatever they want under him. Paul also believes that global warming is a "hoax", so you won't see him do anything about oil companies suppressing science. "Libertarian" may sound nice at first because of foreign policy implications, but what it really means is unrestricted free-market capitalism.

Also, Paul opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and has expressed intent to repeal it. Just saying.

That said if Ron Paul runs as a third party he will divide GOP vote and guarantee an Obama landslide victory.

Just a friendly reminder....

We are talking about a potential candidate to put in office to reign over our country that fully supports the last republican leader, Bush.

It is crazy talk just mentioning putting the reigns of government back into the hands of the same party that got us where we are. The recession that will take decades to get us out. The same leadership that killed 4,000+ American soldiers on a vendetta, crashed not just our economy but the global economy, graduated every child regardless of their ignorance, and forgot the number one most wanted stating, "OBL is not a concern". Now, today, they want to legalize the rape of women with foreign objects by our government, suppress the right to vote, illegalize planned parenthood, condoms, birth control pills, and collective bargaining; privatize education, Medicare, and Social Security. Even one candidate is proposing legalizing child labor.

Anyone thinking of casting a ballot towards the republican party should sit through a recent history class, probed with CAT scans, and sent for a psychological evaluation.

Zing!!

Obama would have Paul for lunch. In all issues he would have the easiest time looking like a centrist. Pauls fiscally ultra conservative - far to the right of the average Repbulicans, but his social views are so far to the left Obama looks conservative.

And we can do it "code for bigot". More likely he thinks he is smarter than you or eye to the point he sees things that really aren't there. Calling everything as 'bigot" is being extremely narrow when there a wealth of more appropriate terms.

Mr. Anon

Paul won't do that, he has big designs for his son. Besides get your ear to the wall, there is a backroom deal between Romney and Paul said to involve Rand Paul's future.

Mr Obama hopes the states that went for him in 08 still has the same amount of ignorant people in 2012.

The GOP is standing on two spindly legs. Billionaire's vast money (no real voting power) and extreme conservatism (both religious and libertarian). A contentious convention with a 1968 Chicago protest in the streets of Tampa will mean Obama wins with a walk off grand slam. You don't win elections preaching to the choir. Likewise you don't win p!ssing off large number of voters, women, Hispanics, the unemployed, the non religious, people concerned about enviroment, union members, teachers, government employees, gays, families of gay people, etc,etc,etc.

The next desperate Repub candidate will probably be David Vitter- the maniac who hollers "family values" while a paying customer in a wh__ehouse. The Repubs like that kind of hypocritical guy- I'm waiting for him to tell everyone the "LOW-ERD" told him to get in the race while he was soliciting sex on Bourbon Street...

I pray the Republican Party is out of people that are worthy of my vote. Prayer Answered;)

GOP holding out-for a hero ? "Hum Hum" Could that be fat boy or that nut Palin ? Or another "W", the family that destroyed our Country ? The teapugs are getting very desperate. The GOP is drawing flies, the party is broken & finished, you can thank the Tea Retards & "W" for destroying the GOP.

There is no one I would rather see run against the President more than Chris Christie. I would cherish the debates. I have witnessed bullies get their comeupance in various stages of life. Mr. Christie would get a shellacking. His "red meat" policy and manner would be demostration of how far down the GOP has fallen. Bring him on Mr. Christie for that I hold dear, please enter the race. No issues, no platform, no coherent policies. That's Mr. Christie.

Another "invented" headline, designed for the Obama supporters.

Have your last "Hurrah" for your failed President of America. The numbers are against you.

Oh ya, don't forget to collapse anything that you see as a threat!

ConstructioninSTL: Does that sound right to everyone to let people/corporations donate all of this money to the campaigns and lets face it, the one with the most $$ seems to win more times than not because of the media and dare I say ignorance by a decent percentage of people in America that believe everything they see on TV.

People are today, and always have been too darn lazy to actually look for solutions to problems… they would rather have solutions provided for them… and sure enough, look at the mess we are in, and the people are now looking for solutions to the problems their solution providers greed has caused. Then you tell us that the person with the most money seems to win because of the media… Duh, this is big money for them.

When they talk about the billion dollars Obummer has, and the hundreds of millions the GOP has… they are actually talking about all the money that will be going to the media. It’s all corrupt and the media just spins everything about money to put the problems with it on others so no sees what they are really doing… making a fortune off of the chaos they are creating.

It is probably best to turn the TV off and figure out some things on your own, then make an informed decision. Who needs the media getting rich telling us what to do? Well, I guess after all, it is no different than the government stealing our money through never ending taxes and then telling us what to do. Geez… Maybe we should just vote for a news outlet to be president… could they really do any worse?

Witchking: - A late entry with some one who has two connecting brain cells is THE ONLY HOPE the GOPee has to save it self ... So then by your own admission, two connecting brain cells is more that obummer has because that is all it would take for republicans to beat the current liar in chief.

Well! It's about time! The GOP has finally realized that its platform of "make sure Obama is a one term president" has backfired. Mitch McConnell made that statement two weeks into Obama's term. From then on the GOP has obstructed anything and everything that could have provided hope and assistance to our economic status.

They started with the health care law. 90% of what is in the health care law is of republican origin. Let me repeat that: "90% OF WHAT IS IN THE HEALTH CARE LAW IS OF REPUBLICAN ORIGIN, INCLUDING THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE." Yes! The individual mandate was proposed by a consortium of republican representatives in the 1990s. However, since it was Obama that put all of this together (mostly republican ideas), the "make Obama a one term president" mentality just stood on the sidelines and let the democrats take all the credit. Now, to add insult to injury, they mindfully continue to decry the health care law as the end of our existence—STUPID!. Had they owned up to the fact that what Obama put together came from republicans, they would have a much greater respect from the public. Another example of the right wing GOP blunders is the denial by the Tea Party nut jobs of the Grand Deal worked out by Obama and Boehner. It raised $1.2T in new revenues and cut $5T in costs. The chicken livered Boehner was worried about his job, so he gave in to the Tea Party Nazis and scuttled the Deal.

So, now the current crop of GOP candidates, in order to pander to the right wing nut jobs, are falling over themselves trying to show how far right wing they are, even though they know they are alienating the majority of the populace. It reminds of the "Train to Abilene" story. Someone yelled "I'm going to Abilene and jumped on the train bound for Abilene. Another person saw that and thought that something special was in Abilene, so he jumped on the train also. This went on until hundreds and hundreds of people were headed to Abilene. No one, but the first person, really knew why they were going to Abilene. It wasn't until they got to Abilene that they realized that they really did not want to go to Abilene. But since everyone was going that way, no one dare to question why.

So, now the GOP. The Tea Nuts came on board and said we're going to Abilene. The rest of the GOPers thought that there was something special and jumped on board also. Now the train is approaching Abilene and some of the more intelligent Republicans are starting to question why the HE!! they jumped on board to start with. Unfortunately, the four clowns running for president are simply not the sharpest pencil in the box and are still happy to be heading for Abilene (or the far right). But, some of them are getting bits and pieces of a hint that perhaps they are not going in the right direction. Unfortunately, the train is about to enter the station.

Oh Well! 2016 is just around the corner.

You know, i can't help but to wonder if americans have just become too down on everyone. Almost like America has become the country of negativity... instead of what a person can bring to a job, its what they can't do. You see it in sports with all their sports debate... pick on every little thing that is wrong. WHO IN THE WORLD IS PERFECT? Why do candidates have to be perfect? you know, i always disliked people who tried to be perfect. maybe that's why i would love to see Mayor Bloomberg run... he doesn't really give a crap what people think of him... he just does what is right. and to think, i tend to be more democratic.

I wish the dems and republicans in the middle would just come together and push out the crazy people on the outside from having way too much influence on what the majority middle wantsd to see happen. Screw the conservative religious and moralistic right which seem to contradict their values when they cheat and do other sins and screw the "feed the world" left who wants to take my hard work and give the benefits to people who don't do anything, especially in a world that is overpopulated and needs darwinism to take its course. CAN THE MIDDLE PLEASE JUST STOP THE FRINGES, PLEASE?!?

I love the use of the phrase: "...the current crop of republicans". Like they are vegetation. Which sounds so appropriate, as though they were weeds in America's garden. That's about sizes up..."the current crop of republicans."

While I agree with the initial poster on this thread, that Romney will limp into the convention as the GOP nominee I have to say, if he loses Michigan or has a weak victory there and on Super Tuesday then he is going to be the weakest GOP nominee in history. The President will win in an historic landslide and his victory will have a "coat-tail" effect that could recapture the House and strengthen the Democrat hold on the Senate.

But, I'm hoping the Big ol' Chris Christie decides to "save" the GOP and toss his hat belatedly into the ring. He would be a fool to do so. The GOP brand is so damaged right now that I do not believe even a Chris Christie could lead it to victory in 2012. I believe the President would still be re-elected and this will harm Christie's chances in 2016 when he's vying for the open seat. Karl Rove believes that and he's not encouraging Christie to get into the race. Karl want's Mitt to "have his turn" and go away so they'll have a clear shot at 2016. It's political chess and Romney is Karl's gambit to to checkmate in 2016.

If Christie gets in, he'll lose and he'll be damaged goods for 2016. Oh he'd narrow the President's margin of victory. More Republicans would go to the polls for Christie over Romney, so the President's coat-tails won't be anywhere near as long. But it will diminish Christie's chances in 2016. He'll be seen then as just another political frequent-flyer.

So C'mon big boy, save your party, find yourself a Clydesdale and a GREAT BIG suit of armor and ride to the convention and the rescue of that fair damsel the GOP!

I'm telling you it will spoil all of Karl's well-laid plans! Poor fat Karl. The chubby little puppet-master with only a handful of half-baked puppets at his command.

Obama/Biden 2012

Mittens/Phony Doc Rand. Priceless.

Let's see, here are my choices:

Mitt- Corporations are people too

Gingrich- Children should be working as janitors

Santorum- Contraception is wrong

Paul- All amendments to the U.S. Constitution should be removed.

Given the OMG OP's stance on so many social issues, I guess I'll vote for what we already have. A president with an 85% success rate. Doesn't run his mouth about women's private parts, leaves the children in school, stands for the middle class while helping the corporations, and a Constitutional lawyer that understands there's a reason for amendments.

Cheer up GOP, if you haven't got a legit agenda, you can always pull the religious card and call the competition "evil". Yep, when all else fails, there's always fear-mongering.

Unless Republicans have somebody who is VERY independent FROM the Republicans, i.e., some who has NOT signed onto the "Ryan Plan" AND who has NOT signed on with Grover Nordquist, Republicans may as well keep the Bozos they already have because they are each carbon copies of the other and have the exact same, single goal of the Republican Party as a whole:

Tax Cuts for the Rich, pay cuts for Working Americans.

Obama / Biden 2012

It's not just about the GOP runners and if someone new can jump on board... it's also about the GOP Congress. For my party to have signed and then to carry out that agreement with one man while we fall as a nation, has something to do with it. And, for my party to be the "party of NO" just to make the president a "one term president" also has something to do with it. They all have made a mockery of my party... the Republican party no longer exist. I have switched to Independent and I will never go back after these past 2 years. They have proven beyond a very educated doubt their inability to be able to run our country or anything else but a book signing.

Republican switched to Independent... voting straight Democratic Ticket 2012.

I'm just going to say this now, and I'm not speaking as a liberal, I'm being objective here. I don't see Obama losing. As countless people above have noted, nobody the Grand Old Party has seems serious. Call Obama what he is, but there's really nothing that makes any of the Republicans beat him. An example is all the major Republican candidates want to end Wall Street Reform, widely considered to be Obama's greatest achievement (60% of Americans approve of it). Scratch that, ending DADT was Obama's greatest achievement, with 70% of Americans supporting him. Yet the Republicans also want to undo that.

I'm going to be fair here. I can easily see the Senate going to GOP control; the "up for grab" type seats are mostly seats that were won in the "Democratic Revolution" of 2006. The House I predict to end up slightly more even then it is now, but I don't see the Democrats winning 25 seats, at least not with the polling data that we currently have.

Since pretty much nothing will be done from 2012-2016 with a Democratic President and a Republican congress (though the Democrats may get a comeback in 2014), the real thing to look at is 2016.

Biden/Clinton '16!

A last minute, white knight hero for the right-wing?

Don't hold your breath, Tea Party Freshmen.

...Too little, too late.

Just a little more than three minutes into the Christie interview and already I'm thinking: Here's the man who endorsed Romney talking about never compromising your principles and making sure you know who you are? Huh??

If there is going to be a GOP knight on a white horse, it sure won't be Christie. No horse could carry him, first of all. Second, the state of New Jersey is a train wreck. How is he going to run on his record?

And Joe, don't bring up Bruce Springsteen to Christie. How clueless can you be to think that The Boss would support Christie? In a parallel universe!

Look for that GOP knight on a white horse to ride into town around 2019. Until then, may common sense rule the land.

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012

Bluelake

I love the use of the phrase: "...the current crop of republicans". Like they are vegetation. Which sounds so appropriate, as though they were weeds in America's garden. That's about sizes up..."the current crop of republicans."

Well, Bluelake, they are a lot like vegetables except they're not as good for you.

I say we mow them down in November.

<whine> but....but.....but....IT'S HIS TURN!!!! </whine>

I suspect the former Governor is battling the same issue Meg Whittman faced when running for Gov. in CA. The perception that she was trying to BUY the office. The question is, "WHY?". Perhaps to further cut taxes on multi-millionaires and billionaires?

I say we toss them all in a cage and let them fight it out there. at least that way they'll stop pssing off large groups of voters.

Al, yes, he (Ramney) will 'lose' over Obama... and yes, like a tidal wave.

But idiot? And with exclamation points... Really? What have I ever done to you? Oh wait, you're a Republican... you just can't help yourself.

BTW, you notice these guys placing their hand over their chest as if pledging to something... nothing in there.

All in all the GOP alternatives are even worse.

OMG Ryan, would be like hiring the Dragon and Christie already said he doesn't want the job---so why force it for his heart might not be there entirely!

@LouisJ, love your photo! At least the republicans know it is not possible to nominate anyone as "qualified" as 'ole W. But wait, there's always the supreme court there to "fix" things.

OMG Ryan, would be like hiring the Dragon and Christie already said he doesn't want the job---so why force it for his heart might not be there entirely!

Neither of these would win anyway. Reason being is that they would have to cater to the rwnj's, who are really the culprits of the Republican meltdown.

You're a friggin' dreamer, Al.. Romany may be the best you got but not the one for the job.. There is only ONE and everybody's going out of their way to ignore him.. Choose your Romnay and Satantorum and watch them fall to the way side to a guy (Obama) who everyone claims to dislike. Get some sense and realize no one wants another bush nor a religious fanatic.. We don't want a 'church & state' leader nor do we want a 'love to fire' hound.. And this new toad (Christie).. He looks like he'd eat all the profits.. Again I iterate: RON PAUL 2012!!

George W. Bush would tower over this gaggle of geese like a Colossus.

LouisJ you're wrong about who spent the most ever campaigning.

The record is held by Barack Hussein Obama.

We have a great field though, as it stands

Why did I know when I read the above statement that it could only have come from Sarah Palin? And the cons wonder why we consider her so dumb.

@commensense (post2.10)---it is sad to say but you are correct. What is especially sad is the fact that george bush was the most pathetic President this country has ever had.

inmissery , speaking of large groups never under estimate the power of ignorant people in large groups, something Mr. Obama counted on in 08 and hopes will happen again in 2012. Obama gets voted in again and things will go from bad to worse and remember you heard it here first.

Christie or Daniels comes out of the convention with the nomination? The next day the commercials start with them on TV saying 'I don't want the job". Followed by a newspaper clipping of the headline that says "Palin resigns as governor of Alaska. Portrayed as quitters and people who don't want the job. Not exactly the way to win anything.

I bet they do hope for someone new, romney santorum and gingrich hahaha so funny ...and they are too freakin dumb to realize their best bet IS Paul!I loved the palin 2012-2014 1/2 comment from NC funny stuff!

Wayne- they're driving away their own voters with their idiotic statements.

As for Obama, there has been slow but steady improvement in the economy. We're not back to where we were before yet, but I don't want to go back to constant job losses. Funny thing- we lost over 4 mil jobs in both Obama's first year and Bush's last year.

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314159 - Not at chance in 2012. But, 2016 - good chance! And, she'll have tons of credentials to back her up. She would be difficult to beat!

No I believe her when she says she's done....saw her name floated to head the World Bank however....

The Secretary of State does not want another "slot" doing anything...she has made it clear that she will not continue after Obama's reelection.

For some reason her name is mentioned on occasion for this post or that...or that she will "run" for President in this or that year...she clearly is exhausted from the job she HAS and has actually TOLD NEWS PEOPLE that she is done after this stint as SECTSTATE. She has done an excellent job.

PREZ?? Ain't gonna happin....

Well there IS some scuttlebutt about a possible Obama/Clinton ticket for 2012. Just talk around the water cooler for now, but think of the fear in the Repubs eyes if it comes true.

Hilary Clinton will not run for President again. Bank on that. In 2016, she will be 70. Only Republicans send people that old.

The truth is so funny, tony.. I think you discovered their greatest secret.

I do believe it would be interesting to see Palin give Obama the white house a second time. Every time I see her I always think "why is everyone always pickin' on me?" She plays the victim card for herself and everyone around her way too much.

A Obama/Clinton ticket?

Unlikely, but definitely doable. The candidate for President has to have filed early, but the V.P. doesn't have to be chosen until the convention, so it is possible. It would really shake up the ticket and the base, but a move like that would definitely need a lateral move for Biden to a cabinet position or whatever unless he chose to step down for health or family issues.

It would also split up the GOP attacks because they hate Hillary as much as Obama. And they'd use that schlocky picture from one of the tabloids a while back of her with the aliens to question her not only having a valid birth certificate, but for proving she was even born on this planet.

kant its a secret that republicans should wise up to, how many independents sat and pondered McCains age and the odds of him surviving 8 years, and then end up with Palin as president. I know I was on the fence until she showed up.

I think the GOP panderers deserve someone like Brewer

If Hilary would run, I would support her.

I campaigned for her in 2008. It's a shame the way the DNC and Howard dean conspired with the big money to rob her of the nomination. They did it by splitting the votes in Michigan and Florida.

In both states, a GOP controlled legislature moved up the primary dates. In both states every single Dem was opposed. In both states the Dems were powerless to prevent it.

The DNC decided not to seat the delegates from either state, to punish them for something they had no control over.

When Obama didn't have enough delegates for a clear majority, the DNC changed it's mind and split the delegates from both states.

Hilary won both states.

If JUST ONE of those states is counted properly,

Hilary wins the nomination.

And I think we ALL know she would have beaten McCain/Palin.

But hey, I'm just some guy on newsvine, don't take my word for it, look it up yourself.

Sorry you are wrong. The nomination voting was no where near that close. Florida and Michigan did not end up being that controversial because even if Hillary won all the delegates she still lost the nomination. You are also forgetting to consider that they didn't seat those delegates, which means the total needed to win was reduced as well. If you add those delegates back in and give Clinton and Obama their share you also have to expand the total needed to win the nomination by the number of delegates added back in. There is no way Clinton could have won

Why is it the majority of stupid people live in the Northeast, through the upper mid west and California, can anyone answer this question . I have lived here on earth for 57 years and people in this country just get stupider as time goes on and Obama as a president is living proof and beliving the liberal media is more proof .

tonybeeerm

Hilary Clinton will not run for President again........ Only Republicans send people that old.

And who said that the Dems are all for equal rights and non-descrimination....TOO FUNNY TONY...BUT PATHETICALLY TRUE.

wayne- You've lived here on earth for 57 years and the people in this country just get "stupider" as time goes on, huh? Were the people where you lived before smarterer than us? Why don't you just move back there then.

President Obama: Worst Economic Record since the Great Depression.

This month will be 36 straight months of over 8% unemployment. Reagan only had 26 months of over 8%, and he had a worse unemployment peak (10.8%) to overcome.

Enjoy all of those resume killing Green Jobs he promised you.

Justified- First off, what Obama walked into was every bit as dire AS the Great Depression, maybe more so. Back then the American economy was almost entirely independent from the rest of the world. Today, we have much more of a "world" economy...much more difficult and time-consuming to fix.

Secondly, the unemployment rate was around 12% at it's worst, and has steadily declined under Obama. In fact, you can bank on it being under 8% soon, maybe under 7% come November. What Reagan had to deal with was NOWHERE NEAR the mess that was left to Obama. Not just apples and oranges here, we're talking watermelons and grapes my friend.

Colin-3065750

You are mistaken. Obama won at the convention by only 107 votes. It was the closest in history.

Hilary won both Fla and Mi.

Florida is a winner takes all state, whil Michigan awards a set number of delegates for the winner and a pro-rated number of delegates to each of the other candidates, provided they meet the threshold of recieving at least 15% of the vote.

OBAMA WAS NOT EVEN ON THE BALLOT IN MICHIGAN.

Michigan in 2008 had 156 delegates

Florida in 2008 had 210 delegates

Either state would have put her over the top, and she would be our President right now.

Like I said before, look it up.

Since you obviously didn't, here. I will spoon feed you.

I trust you find CNN to be credible?

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-02-14/politics/michigan.florida.voters_1_convention-credentials-committee-delegate-rules-michigan-and-florida?_s=PM:POLITICS

Alil, apparently there is some dispute, as Florida and Michigan were penalized for breaking the rules ,,, the actual count is here..........http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html, even without the split vote from Florida and Michigan he had a majority. the split vote from both states appears to favor Clinton. Was it based on the actual vote in those two States? Florida and Michigans delegates were reduced but the delegates were split by the voting record of the primary. By the way I enjoy your posts.

Actually the wikipedia source gives the Florida and Michigan delegates 1/2 a vote at the convention. But they do not agree that Florida was a winner take all State. they suggest that the delegates were voted seats along with the super delegates in a customary vote only in a earlier date. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Democratic_primary,_2008

So it is disturbing to read "When Obama didn't have enough delegates for a clear majority, the DNC changed it's mind and split the delegates from both states." which is contrary to the links I have presented. Again Clinton recieved the proper 1/2 votes as did Obama, and their Super delegates. It was not a "split vote" as you refer too.

The "splitting" of the Florida and Michigan votes refers to the 1/2 vote they were given, and it DID NOT change the results of the primary election. Weather you worked for Clinton or not, your assumption is factually wrong.

Bob, they first said they would not seat the delegates for either state.

Later, they split the delegates.

The one thing you are missing, is that in order to recieve the party nomination, one candidate needed to have 2,017 delegates.

That is what I was referring to when I said a "clear majority"

Without half the delegates from each state, Obama COULD NOT have reached the magic number.

With delegates from each state awarded to Hilary, without being split, Hilary would have had enough delegates. Obama would not have. He would have recieved ZERO michigan delegates, and ZERO Florida delegates. That would have given hilary a lead of about 160 delegates.

She would have won by that margin.

It DID in fact change the nomination at the convention.

Sorry if this is disturbing to you.

Nevertheless, it is true.

Without half of the votes from Fla and Mi, Obama COULD NOT HAVE WON.

I appreciate you looking it up, I invite you to likewise verify what I am saying here.

The Florida Democratic Presidential primary took place on January 29, 2008. Originally, the state had 185 delegates up for grabs that were to be awarded in the following way: 121 delegates were to be awarded based on the winner in each of Florida's 25 congressional districts while an additional 64 delegates were to be awarded to the statewide winner. Twenty-five unpledged delegates, known as superdelegates, were initially able to cast their votes at the Democratic National Convention.

However, the Democratic National Committee determined that the date of the Florida Democratic Primary violated the party rules and ultimately decided to sanction the state, stripping all 210 delegates and refusing to seat them at the convention. The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committed later met on May 31, 2008, and agreed to seat all of Florida's delegates with each delegate having only receive half a vote. As a result of this compromise, Florida's had 105 votes at the convention."

The Florida Democratic Presidential primary took place on January 29, 2008. Originally, the state had 185 delegates up for grabs that were to be awarded in the following way: 121 delegates were to be awarded based on the winner in each of Florida's 25 congressional districts while an additional 64 delegates were to be awarded to the statewide winner. Twenty-five unpledged delegates, known as superdelegates, were initially able to cast their votes at the Democratic National Convention.

However, the Democratic National Committee determined that the date of the Florida Democratic Primary violated the party rules and ultimately decided to sanction the state, stripping all 210 delegates and refusing to seat them at the convention. The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committed later met on May 31, 2008, and agreed to seat all of Florida's delegates with each delegate having only receive half a vote. As a result of this compromise, Florida's had 105 votes at the convention.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Democratic_primary,_2008

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The Michigan Democratic Presidential Primary took place January 15, 2008. Originally, the state had 156 delegates^[1] up for grabs that were to be awarded in the following way: 83 delegates were to be awarded based on the winner in each of Michigan's 15 congressional districts while an additional 45 delegates were to be awarded to the statewide winner. Twenty-eight unpledged delegates, known as superdelegates, were initially able to cast their votes at the Democratic National Convention in Denver, Colorado.

However, the Democratic National Committee determined that the date of the Michigan Democratic Primary violated the party rules and ultimately decided to sanction the state, stripping all 156 delegates and refusing to seat them at the convention. Despite this, the Michigan Supreme Court ruled that the primary could go ahead as scheduled.^[2] The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee later met on May 31, 2008, and agreed to seat all of Michigan's delegates with each delegate having only receive half a vote.^[3] As a result of this compromise, Michigan had 78 votes at the convention. On August 24, the delegates had full voting rights restored.^{[4]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Democratic_primary,_2008}

^{So the Florida and Michigan primary delegates were 1/2 their total, but did not influance the final vote as you may think............ best regards....}

^{So the Florida and Michigan}

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html, Obama had 2229.5 votes and Clinton had 1896.5 that is a 333 vote differance. But each candidate did get their fair share of the Michigan and Florida primary as the votes were halved and not denied one candidate.

Obama/2012, Clinton/2016,,,,,,,,best regards.

Alil, with all due respect the site here ,,,,http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html, has Obama at 2229.5 votes, and he recieved 33.5 from Florida and 29.5 from Michigan. They did not split the vote in those two States, the Commitee gave them 1/2 vote, as stated in wikipedia.Clinton did recieve more votes from the two States, 52.5 and 34.5 . Wikipedia did not account for your comment that Florida is a winner take all State. Clinton had a total of 1899.5 votes, Obama had 330 more votes than Clinton at 2229.5

"The Florida Democratic Presidential primary took place on January 29, 2008. Originally, the state had 185 delegates up for grabs that were to be awarded in the following way: 121 delegates were to be awarded based on the winner in each of Florida's 25 congressional districts while an additional 64 delegates were to be awarded to the statewide winner. Twenty-five unpledged delegates, known as superdelegates, were initially able to cast their votes at the Democratic National Convention.

However, the Democratic National Committee determined that the date of the Florida Democratic Primary violated the party rules and ultimately decided to sanction the state, stripping all 210 delegates and refusing to seat them at the convention. The DNC Rules and Bylaws Committed later met on May 31, 2008, and agreed to seat all of Florida's delegates with each delegate having only receive half a vote. As a result of this compromise, Florida's had 105 votes at the convention."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_Democratic_primary,_2008

Florida was not a winner take all at any time, so Obama had the nomination locked up with or with out the Republican legislators.

Obama was awarded 36 delegates from Michigan, despite the fact that he was not on the ballot AT ALL.

Hilary was only awarded 38 as the winner.

Sorry but that was wrong.

In Florida, Obama was awarded 46 to Hilarys 54. Hilary won the state, and should have been alloted the 64 plus whatever congressional districts whe took. I believe there were quite a few, but I have been unable to locate the breakdown, like I said.

Obama needed 2,118 delegates to win.

He got 2,201.

That means he only reached the magic number by 83 votes.

Take away his 36 from Michigan, now he only has that number by 47 delegates.

Award Hilary 64 as the statewide winner in Florida, those come from his votes, and reduce his number even further.

Florida was a mess, but if he didn't get any of the votes from Florida (46) he would have had the magic number by only ONE delegate.

Also, because Florida and Michigan held thier primaries prior to super tuesday, I'm pretty sure that had some influence on the voters, although such a thing can only be theorized, and never proven.

But one vote would have most likely led to a brokered convention, in which case we can never know what would have happened.

Funny my source at CNN has different numbers than your source at realclearpolitics.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D

There is overview, and a tab you can click on for a state by state breakdown.

Florida and Michigan should have NEVER been "punished" in the first place. I can see you have looked into this, and I'm sure you must have seen where every single dem was powerless to stop a republican legislature and republican governor from changing the primary date. In both states.

The democrats did NOTHING wrong. In both states 100% of the democrats voted against moving the primary date. In both states they sought court orders and injunctions to stop it. In one of the states (Michigan?) they even took it to the state supreme court.

I'll have to look for a breakdown of the allocations in Michigan and Florida, but I seem to recall he wouldn't have gotten the 2118 without those two states being counted in ways they had never been counted before. It was especially insulting to Florida on the heels of the chad debacle with Bush/Gore 4 years earlier. Michigan originally had 157 delegates, and Obama got 0% of the vote, meaning Hilary should have gotten ALL of them. Florida would have given her 64 for winning the state, and they originally had 211 votes. Give Hilary the 157 from Michigan and 2/3rds of Floridas and she picks up another 300 or so delegates. You can see how this would have changed the game.

Check back tmmw night and hopefully I can find that out. I'm too busy right now to do the math.

I always appreciate a civil discourse.

And since you did it....

Liberals for Ron Paul 2012!

Stop the wars!

40% of Michigan's primary votes were "uncommitted" and Clinton recieved 50%, Obama and Edwards withdrew their names according to this link..........http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/MI.html and http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/MI-D.phtml,

again in Florida............http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/FL-D.phtml and http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?fips=12&year=2008&f=0&off=0&elect=1

Even if you count the "uncommited" votes in Michigan for Clinton, though she was on the ballot , the numbers don't exclude Obama from the delegates needed........

Obama and Edwards removed themselves from the ballot in Michigan, after the vote date violated the rules.

One thing I'm trying to figure out about Florida.

Originally they had 211 delegates, stripped to 105.

Hilary as state winner would have gotten 64, but should now get 32, right?

That leaves 73.

Hilary ended up with only 52 delegates total.

That would mean she only got 20 of the remaining 73 delegates.

See, that just doen't make sense to me. There were only 13 superdelegates, or delegates not bound by the primary results. Say 100% of them go for Obama. Unlikely, but let's just say they did.

That means she only got 20 of the remaining 60 delegates.

And if she won the state, she must have won the majority of the congressional districts.

Even if she won only 51% of the congressional districts, the minimum needed to win...

That would give her half of the remaining delegates, or another 30......NOT 20.

That would give her 62 delegates, not 52.

John Edwards got 1, so say 61, MINIMUM.

It doesn't add up.

I can't see how Obama could have picked up 39 delegates there.

Bob, you still with me here? The math would seem to indicate that in both states each candidate recieved half the votes, but in Florida Hilary got a "bonus" for winning the state. Less of a "bonus" than she would have recieved under the original rules of allocation.

No, I don't see that result for Hillary in Florida.......... the Dems. do not have a winner take all rule in Florida.

Again, both candidates recieved the Congessional district votes that the voters agreed to on Primary day. The only diffarance is the "uncommited" votes when to Obama in Michagan, as he was not on the ballot, and Clinton and all other candidates agreed.............

and Hillary would not have won if she recieved Florida's or Michigans full vote per State Representative,,,,,,, Pres. Obama's count would have gone up too, and it would have not changed the election result.

Remember Pres. Obama won by some 300 votes, and Florida would not have made a differance......

I would vote for a dogcather before I would vote for a Dimocrat all they have ever done is screw up evrything they touch and this one we have now acts more like a dictator than a president, if we want to destroy Iran let him be in control of their country.

I would vote for a dogcather before I would vote for a Dimocrat all they have ever done is screw up evrything they touch and this one we have now acts more like a dictator than a president, if we want to destroy Iran let him be in control of their country.

Yep, FDR totally destroyed the country by pulling it through the worst economic crisis and World War 2. Kennedy and LBJ destroyed the country by forcing racial equality after the 100 year period of detestable conditions for African Americans following the Civil War. And that Bill Clinton guy, might have had some problems keeping his privates to himself but he did rather take a hard stance against genocide, corporate greed, and left his second term with a long term plan for a budget surplus for the first time in ages (which was summarily pissed away by "W").

Man those democrats, they destroy everything. /sarcasm

The Republican Party loves to boast of being the party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt (one of my all time favorite presidents, by the way), and Ronald Reagan, but if any of those famous republicans tried being in the modern republican party, they'd be shown the door for being too liberal.

The GOP's policies, the embracing of the radical Tea Party ideology, and fervent anti-Obama, anti-Democrat rhetoric has made the party far too right to be capable of winning. We keep seeing different candidates winning primaries and caucuses because this crop of republicans can't even appeal to the republican BASE. To the independent voter they will be even less desirable. Obama, no matter how hard anyone slams him on "Obamacare" (which should be called Romneycare, but let's not split hairs), is going to appear more centrist compared to any of these four GOP hopefuls and, to answer the article's question, there's no hero who is going to be able to ride in and save the day. Not until the GOP stops praising Reagan long enough to realize why he was so successful (and realize they're nowhere near his level).

yeah...a little while like Paul's entire career....Here's a hint: He's not an unknown not even as a Presidential candidate...that hasn't stopped him from being widely and summarily dismissed even by his own colleagues in Congress as a nut job. I know it's fun...but at some point you have to face reality....

another political hack heard from..

Ron Paul is the only honest man in washington, he dont go along to get along.

he's a nut becuz he belives in following the constitution?

Ron Paul's constitution was actually called the Articles of Conferation. It was replaced a long time ago by the US Constitution, but apparently Paul didn't get the memo.

AP he is a nut job for wanting the federal government to do it right and go by the constitution like it was designed to do. The congress that you are refering to is the congress that is corrupt beyond measure. You really need to look at what this man is all about. I have read his speeches that he has given to congress and i agree with him.He makes perfect sense. I guess that makes him and the rest of us with common sense nut-jobs.

Jon that is pure crap that you can't backup. So here is some more crap

Romney sucks and you all know it.

Sontorum sucks and you all know it.

Gingrich sucks and you all know it.

Obama sucks and you all know it.

That about covers it.

No, Ron Paul is a nut job because he believes in following the constitution when HE says it's convenient (i.e. not for women and the privacy clause). He's a nut job for wanting to legalize prostitution and heroin, but criminalize abortion. He's a nut job for his isolationism (right: Iran is just gonig to play nice if we pretend the'yre not there). He's a nut job for wanting to do away with all tax collections, all environmental protections, all health and safety protections. (And for good measure, he's a nut job for labeling Abe Lincoln a "dictator" and for putting out racist hateful newsletters under his name). He's also an incompetent nut job who has never been able to pass one single piece of legislation.

Ap It does not do any good repeating the same crap again. I knew you could not backit up.Not one single thing you said is true your not worth the time to argue with. Why do you try giong to ronpaul2012.com and read the issues and if you have any kind of brain in your head you will realize that you are wrong or is that to much for you to handle.

AP, I'll take the time.

Legalize drugs and prostitution? NO. Leave it up to the states. BIG DIFFERENCE!

Prostitution is legal in Navada, and the world didn't end or anything because of it.

Isolationism? NO. Non-Interventionism. BIG DIFFERENCE!

Ron Paul wants war to be war. Congress declares it, we go in, we kick the carp out of them, then we come home. No more nation building unless it's here in The US. No more rebuilding what we destroy. No more apologizing or feeling guilty about winning. If you don't want us to bomb you back to the stone age, don't provoke us. What's not to love? We have over 400,000 troops stationed in154 countries. Just this week Obama put soldiers on the ground in 4 new African Nations.

Aren't you sick of the endless wars? Aren't you sick of dead soldiers coming home in body bags?

As a liberal, I know I am.

Some of his positions are too detailed to go into here, but let me just say that he wants THE AMERICAN PEOPLE to spend thier money, NOT the govt.

Not able to pass a single piece of legislation? Ron P:aul pushed for the audit of The Fed, that's the only reason we even know about the 16 trillion they gave to overseas banks.

Say, let's look at a little piece of legislation that Ron Paul proposed that did not get passed.

It's a little number called HJ Res 78. A very simple two sentence bill.

See, Ron Paul correctly predicted the citizens united ruling.....in 2006!

AND he tried to propose legislation to prevent it! Something Obama has so far been unwilling to talk about.

Here is the entire text of the bill:

"Section 1 - Nothing in this Constitution shall prohibit Congress and The States from imposing content nuetral regulations and restrictions on the expenditure of funds for political activity by any corporation, limited liability company, or other corporate entity, including but not limited to contributions in support of, or in opposition to, a candidate for public office

Section 2 - Nothing contained in this article shall be construed to abridge the freedom of the press."

A nice simple little bill. Two sentences that would have solved a lot of problems if it had been adopted into law.

Just as Ron Paul has correctly predicted so many other things. He thinks things through, and analyzes the potential effects down the road.

Liberals for Ron Paul 2012

Ron Paul's contention that the constitution is all about state's right and limited central government is completely inaccurate. What he describes as the constitution is what was set out in the Articles of Confederation. The Constitutional Convention was called specifically to address the short comings of those Articles and the papers that the framers wrote to promote the new constitution were called the Federalist Papers. If you actually read it, the Constitution sets up the Federal government as the strongest government in the country. It is written in such a way that the federal government can assume almost any power that it deems beneficial to the country.

Intelligent people, more intelligent than Ron Paul, have debated this for more than two centuries now. Our federal government is the rightful evolution of that debate, just as the founders intended. For Ron Paul to stand there and say he knows better than two centuries of US statesmen and constitutional experts is arrogance beyond extreme.

He is entitled to his opinions, but he should stick to debating whether or not individual pieces of legislation are appropriate for the federal government, and stop trying to turn back more than a century of progress because of his small minded opinions.

Jon,

I would agree that Ron Paul would be much happier with the Articles of confederation.

The US constitution was round two. The A of C was too radical a departure from England. They were pretty bankrupt, because they couldn't raise money for a national army, and every state could negotiate with any nation to make any treaty they wanted. They had put tolls on borders, tariffs on each others products, and there was no mechanism to work our problems between states.

The constitution minus the bill of rights was overwhelmingly rejected because the new federal government would be far too strong of a Central government and would shortly act dictatorially to the states and it's citizens.

it has taken over two hundred years to degenerate into an overwhelming, dictatorial centeral government that they sought to avoid.

DB, it sounds like you follow Newt Gingrich's method of history. Tell any lie and completely distort any historical fact, because the audience that supports you will not be able to know the difference.

The Articles of Confederation were not replaced because they were "too radical a departure" from anything. They were rejected because the founders knew they were so weak that each of the States could be overwhelmed individually by any European power. They knew a strong central government was needed. And the fact that this nation spans from the Atlantic to the Pacific today, and is the strongest economy in the world shows that they were right. The Bill of Rights don't change the balance of power between the States and the Federal government. With the sole exception of the tenth, they are about personal liberty against the federal power. And the tenth has been used in how few supreme court cases. It is basically a meaningless gift to any States rights advocates. Meaningless, because it says that anything not given to the federal government, in a document vague enough for the federal government for the most part to determine what specific powers were given to it. That is the brilliance of the document, what has given it the power to evolve and therefore endure through changing times.

And your assertion that our country has devolved into some dictatorial entity of never defined proportion is simply as childish as it is false. It makes me think, in respect to my opening comment, perhaps you aren't capable of knowing the difference between history and a lie.

Really...there's gotta be an effort on part of the Dems to keep Ron P in the picture. The dozens of posts up there are starting to look rather fake. Obviously an effort of bleak desparation.

Well, everyone should want Ron P to stay in the picture. What other comic relief is possible in those Republican debates?

America has had plenty of decades to warm up to him, how about YOU wake up and realize there are many good reasons most of America doesn't want the guy.

I just want freedom:

1. Everything that is really great and inspiring is created by the individual who can labor in freedom. - Albert Einstein
2. Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. - George Bernard Shaw
3. The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests. - Patrick Henry

Jon, you are incorrrect on many points.

The Founding Fathers were escaping an absolute monarchy.

They correctly feared a strong, centralized govt would become tyrannical.

And it is not childish to say that they have.

The Patriot Act, signed by Bush, then expanded and extended by Obama is in direct violation of your Constitutional Right against unlawful search and seizure. It allows the govt to monitor and record your phone conversations, emails, regular mail, and anything you write on the internet, including your facebook page, regardless of security settings. Wiretaps, no warrants necessary. Scary stuff man, scary stuff.

HRCA also violates your rights, by allowing the IRS to casually inspect your bank accounts anytime they want. The IRS could access your bank accts before, but only if they had a show cause order from a judge. Under HRCA the IRS can also casually snatch your money from your accounts. Previously they needed a judgement against you.

The NDAA, passed 93-7, and signed into law by Obama, completely obliterates the bill of rights. It allows for indefinite detention of citizens, with no due process, no phone call, nothing. And because it also repealed the Posse Comitatus, it allows the US govt to send soldiers to snatch you from your home in the middle of the night and make you *poof* diappear.

Here, maybe Jon Stewrt can explain it to you.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-december-7-2011/arrested-development---one-way-train-to-gitmo

Ron Paul 2012

There is no candidate who can beat Obama who would be acceptable to the fanatical right-wing of the Republican Party. That's why the party is in its current situation.

since 90% of what obama has done is right of center why bother

Any chance Condi Rice may join the party? if so, can she give Obama a run for his money?

Chip ~ I tend to agree. I've been thinking for quite awhile, after watching debates, etc., that the GOP is throwing this election because they know they don't have a candidate who can win. I'm an independent, and I honestly hope the 2016 elections will be worth watching and researching. This circus is disappointing at best and, quite frankly, not worth the effort. I'm somewhat disappointed that Jon Huntsman wasn't able to garner any support. Maybe he'll try again in 2016 ~

Rice would be a good choice. Although she served under Bush, she's educated and intelligent. That alone is probably enough to prevent her from being the GOP candidate in 2012.

A lot of Obama butt lickers in the Northeast right barry, and a lot of brainwashed bleeding heart liberals that cant think for themselves but believe everthing cnn and nbc feed them.

Obama butt licker? In my previous two comments, where did I say anything favorable about Obama? I happen to think that he has proven to be a weak president and, in an ideal world, he would be easily beaten in an election. But, the GOP hasn't put up anyone worthy of being president. Instead, we have candidates that fall all over themselves to please the christo-taliban-tp branch of the GOP (did I mention that I'm a Republican?) in a race to the bottom and then hope that somehow the rest of us won't be terrified of them in the general election.

Huntsman would do better as a democrat, he's too smart (most of the time) for republican shenanigans and they know it.

This could be the election with the highest number of write-in's, for the repub's.

No, he knowss he can't beat the current occupant and is too closely tied to the prior one to be taken seriously. Maybe next time memories of his brother, the worst president of the modern era, will be dimmer and he can run on the "the sane Bush" platform.

Well said.

Jeb would need to break into the Men in Black movie and Neuralize the country to run for president. Dumbya did a pretty good job of killing the Bush family's hopes of being the next Kennedy's.

L inPrinceton, google Kissinger vows to China Jeb Bush will be next President

pinkfloyd, I did.......now I'm sobbing.....ok, back to praying for the light of reason to dawn in America.....

There a point when enough really is enough.

Ahh, the GOP would like it if Jeb came on, but this country couldn't handle another Bush (sorry Barbara) for at least another 500 years. We need to heal not grow deeper.

I heard Jeb is going to change his name to Jed Jesus Reagan Lincoln.

I think Jeb Bush may well be the most likely candidate. As wrongheaded as he is -- he's just not as far out as the current candidates (except perhaps for Romney). Next to these four guys, he looks remarkably sane. If the Republicans really want a chance, they are going to have to run a candidate who is not a total nut case.

Perry, Palin and Bachmann have been eliminated. Ron Paul promotes views that are spurious takes on everything from history to sociology to economics. Newt Gingrich was the creator of the Contract on America that, among other things, shut down the government. Rick Santorum's fundamentalist point of view condemns all but those who agree with him. And Mitt Romney -- who did a good thing with health care in Massachusetts -- has since disowned it, to make himself more electable. He seems to be saying anything that makes himself more electable.

Chris Christie is governor in my state. He is a bully and -- contrary to what you sometimes here -- he is not any more fiscally responsible than other governors we've had. I don't know Haley Barbour. Paul Ryan presented us with an awful budget that would have crippled the government while enriching the private sector. Mitch Daniels is in open war with his constituents, denying workers the right to bargain and promoting questionable educational, social and economic policies.

If the Republicans are interested in winning, they will have to do better than this. If they're not, as has been suggested -- if they would prefer that Obama stay at the wheel and continue to take the brunt of their oppositional-defiant behaviors, then it's a different story. But I would not be surprised if they pulled Jeb Bush out of their back pockets at the last moment!

The "W's" destroy this Country, the Bush name is trash.

One more Bush and I will run screaming into Canada begging them to take me in. God help us all.

If the Republicans are interested in winning, they will have to do better than this. If they're not, as has been suggested -- if they would prefer that Obama stay at the wheel and continue to take the brunt of their oppositional-defiant behaviors, then it's a different story. But I would not be surprised if they pulled Jeb Bush out of their back pockets at the last moment!

The repubs want to let Obama do his thing. Obama has some work to do for the NWO us American are not quite whipped into submission yet.

The country would never willingly put another Bush in office now they might be able to bully him in but I don;t believe it would be the people's choice. I think they want to let the people choose Obama that will put a feel good aura on it to let the people think they still have a choice. There is only one republican who would not do basically the same thing Obama is going to do so what difference does it make anyway?

@ Lisafrequency:

There is only one republican who would not do basically the same thing Obama is going to do so what difference does it make anyway?

Don't know which one you're referring to, but...I think you're saying that because 3 out of 4 repub candidates would do what Obama is doing....and because thousands of people must support those three candidates....that a vast majority of repub's (along with millions of dems) are in support of what Obama is doing. Great! Kinda of what I thought too....feel free to inform repub congress-person and governors.

Don't know which one you're referring to,

Ron Paul. The GOP wants to ignore him and his supporters loosers that they are.

Bush is now the name that "can not be spoken". Jeb is a reminder to all just how bad a president can suck.

Bad politics in Illinois=Democrat&Republican cronyism in State Government,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Bad politics in Federal Government= Bush Family cronyism in State & Federal Government,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

What are the statistical odds of Bush & Friends and their heir to the Presidency?

And people blame Pres. Obama for all of it..............................

Sally your eyes must be brown! Ha ha Your "Hero" is so weak that anyone of the GOP canidates will mop the floor with him. Just wait till they start unloading on Obozo and the Media that elected him. Obozobaggers now thats a name I like! This is going to be a blow out like Reagan vs Carter.

Carter should have won.

Reagan started this mess.

justaplumber

Sally your eyes must be brown! Ha ha Your "Hero" is so weak that anyone of the GOP canidates will mop the floor with him. Just wait till they start unloading on Obozo and the Media that elected him.

And we're waiting and waiting and waiting...

Not one candidate has proposed a viable policy to solve the deficit. Nor have they proposed one policy that increases the middle class (the backbone of our society).

What have they proposed?

Lets rape women with foreign objects. Lets re-introduce child labor. Lets ban contraception. Lets ban collective bargaining. Lets repeal finance reform. Lets restrict our right to vote.

Somehow, they still are able to convince their party supporters that they are there for them.

I know what's best for the people in this country because I can see them from my high rise.

"The GOP needs another candidate fast or it's pretty much over."

The current collection of clowns they have as candidates is only part of the problem. The first thing they need to do is get rid of the idea that being stupid is a qualification for office. We don't need anymore of the Rick Perry or Michelle Bachmann types.

Then they need to stop driving the Hispanics, blacks, women, gays, lesbians, atheist, main stream Christians, Moslems, young people, and union people out of their party. Stop badmouthing everybody except old, white haired, overweight white guys.

Stop using fear as a tactic. Newt said the US has never been in more danger than we are now under President Obama. Gee Newt – did you ever hear of the Cuban Missile Crisis? I though you were an historian. I guess you missed that.

Also – GET SOME NEW IDEAS. For the last 30 years the GOP has had 3 answers for every problem – give it a tax cut, deregulate it or bomb it.

And – stop ignoring reality. Just because you may not want something to be true doesn’t mean it’s not true. You may wish evolution wasn’t a reality but it IS a reality. You make yourself look stupid arguing otherwise. Likewise – just because you want something to be true doesn’t mean it is true. Sorry GOP but you can talk forever about President Obama not being a natural born US citizen but that won’t change the fact that he IS a natural born US citizen.

GOP – if you stay on the path you’ve been on for the last 6 years, you may go the way of the Whig Party of the 19^th century.

Charlie ... what a fantastic summary of what's wrong with the GOP. I wonder if you could get it published as short op-ed piece somewhere?

Spot on Charlie. Very well said.

16% Unemployment---Losers. Its the economy,Stupid.

No President has been reelected with those kind of employment numbers.

Get used to it, Obozos toast.

"No President has been reelected with those kind of employment numbers."

No party has ever fielded a worse set of candidates than the collection of idiots the republicans are offering.

Actually, this reminds me of the Democrats in 1991. No real Democrat would dare go up against George H.W. Bush and his 90% approval rating after Iraq War I (remember the great Gen. Colin Powell and Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf). That is how we ended up with this amazing group of losers:

• Former Mayor Larry Agran of Irvine, California
• Governor Jerry Brown of California
• Governor Bill Clinton of Arkansas
• Senator Bob Kerrey of Nebraska
• Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa
• Former Senator Paul Tsongas of Massachusetts
• Governor Douglas Wilder of Virginia
• Filmmaker and activist Tom Laughlin
• Former Senator Eugene McCarthy

That group was whittled down to Clinton and Jerry Brown, that's right, the current (again) Governor of California. Given the choice of the hick from Arkansas or Governor "Moonbeam" the Democrats went for Clinton. Clinton then coined the phrase: "It's the economy stupid!" How did that work out for you Democrats?

"It's the economy stupid!" Say hello to your next President, Mitt Romney! The one big difference? We won't have any Monica Lewinsky scandals this time around!

Get over yourself-

Well stated. Obama's policies are such a disaster, their own administration will not

vote for anything and then the Democrats turn around and blame it on the GOP. The Obama Adm. has failed to produce one budget plan. The last one was not voted on by one senator!! Not ONE!!!

Not even one Democrat. That is how bad the Obama Budget plan looked. Now, his energy policies are even worse...and he tries to say that gas prices are where the should be??? What a joke...who does this guy think he is fooling?? Long term unemployment (over 26 weeks) is at 45%!!! That is the highest EVER!!!!

justaplumber ... in a normal world, you'd be right. If the candidates concentrated on traditional political issues like the economy and foreign policy, Obama wouldn't have a chance. But, instead, we have candidates like Santorum that push social views that make the Taliban seem like moderates. The GOP "base" might soak that up, but the rest of Republicans, Democrats and critical independents will never vote for such nut cases.

This situation is very much a "devil you know vs. devil you don't."

Then again, we know what sort of devil Santorum, Gingrich and Paul are---Obama, too, for that matter. The closest thing to an unknown we have is Romney, and much of that is that he changes positions faster than other guys change their socks---say anything to get elected.

IMO, the GOP looks like Gotham City with no Batman...and the inmates are runnin' the asylum.

Obama may actually be the lesser evil here (and I intend to vote for him, btw)---and I hope I live long enough to not have to go the the polls and make yet another Hobson's choice.

It is too bad none of the candidates are running on any of the values you just listed, except perhaps Ron Paul but is a little too out there for me.

No special interests ... except big business. More freedom ... except if you're a woman of reproductive age. Smaller government ... except in the bedroom.

Your looking at him (Paul) during the times when everybody were biased and you bring it into the 21st century as if he had invented it.. Do your homework on his political accomplishments (or at least his attempts to change things to benefit the PEOPLE).. Hell, you look back 40 years to get your dirt (which no longer exists since sympathies have changed) but you don't even contemplate going back 5 years to really see what Romnay paid on his taxes?.. Poor little fools, you.. Poor little fools, us. Something's going to pop come November 6th and because of it, there may be a giant bonfire across this nation.. 12/21/2012? Not a Mayan prophesy at all because we (or someone) is creating it themselves.

I am not denying his political accomplishments. He is a good guy. But some of his ideas, like going back to the Gold Standard, do not make sense.

If gold is not our standard, what is? I am headed for Fort Knox. Maybe they are giving it away!

The problem is that there is a big part of the GOP that knows where they want to take the country (balanced budget, no special interests, smaller government, more freedom, etc.)

NO -- that what the GOP SAYS they want. What they do is totally opposite. Look at reality. Look at what the DO --- not what they say. For most of the time from 2001 to 2006 republicans controlled ALL of Washington. What did they do??? George W. Bush and his Republican Congress who brought us two unfunded wars, two unfunded tax cuts, a massive, unfunded, new entitlement, the largest expansion of government since LBJ, all while turning the largest surplus of all times into the largest deficit of all times.

Look at what's going on in Republican controlled Virginia. Big government at its biggest. Listen to what Rick Santorum is calling for. republicans love big government. While in congress, Santorum never saw a spending bill he didn't like.

The Gold standard is NOT crazy!

Up until R.Nixon took us away from it in 1970, it worked just fine.

And Ron Paul is talking about backing our currency with all precious metals....Platinum, Gold, Silver, Copper, etc.

What's crazier?

A currency based on debt to the Citizens?

OR a currency backed by actual metals thet the govt actually owns?

The Gold Standard was an economic disaster! The entire economy depended on the finding of gold strikes.

Agree Charlie

OR a currency backed by actual metals thet the govt actually owns?

But, since a citizen couldn't trade in the currency in return for the metal, what's the point? Satanick is right. A gold standard would just hobble our economy.

This is not the best the GOP has to offer, but it is only the bottom of the barrel that decided to run. God help us all. While I am a conservative Independent and lean more toward the Republicans, what I wouldn't give for Bill Clinton or Barack Obama with a GOP House and Senate. We did so well in this country under that setup.

Watch out for Cain's stimulus package!

ShelbyCourtland

I think I know how to get Herman Cain to be my VP.

Don't do it, Shelby. Think of your self-respect. You know he'll be gone in the morning.

Ruken

Watch out for Cain's stimulus package!

So that's what that "9-9-9" thing was all about? Wow! That is impressive.

Better say nien, nien, nien to Cain.

If Hermie wants to have a private meeting with you regarding "polling" - run!

Shelby, your post is the most refreshing entry in this long list of dull and dumb. Can you remain true to your independent heritage if you have to persuade Santorum that you'll be happy in the kitchen of the White House, letting Cain decide about your reproductive rights/ opportunity?

Rorschach-558483

ShelbyCourtland

I think I know how to get Herman Cain to be my VP.

Don't do it, Shelby. Think of your self-respect. You know he'll be gone in the morning.

That's as good an argument for wagging that dog as I can think of. Just hold your nose, it'll be over real soon, oops sooner than that even.....

I gotta check out the Kissinger to China thing on Jeb Bush. It's easy enough to believe on the face of it. But I don't think America is going to bend over and take it again from a Bush.....

You guys are a riot! After careful consideration and a sincere wish to protect my virtue(and a few other unmentionables)I hereby re-ject Herman Cain as my rutting...I mean running mate.

persuade Santorum that you'll be happy in the kitchen of the White House

Let's just put it this way, Santorum would NOT be happy with me in the kitchen of the White House. Shelby cooking=indigestion, diarrhea+ dose after dose of pepto bismal.

ShelbyCourtland

...I hereby re-ject Herman Cain as my rutting...I mean running mate.

Which says you've got more sense than Ginger White apparently had. That 9-9-9 must have been her downfall.

All kidding aside, Shelby, I just registered as a republican for the first time in my life.

I did it so I can be a delegate for Ron Paul.

No true liberal can support a man who extended the patriot act after campaigning with a promise to repeal it.

No true liberal could support a man who signed into law the NDAA.

No true liberal could support the endless wars, the police state, and the endless stream of dead soldiers coming home in bodybags. Did you know Obama has put troops on the ground in 4 new African Nations, this week alone?

Liberals for Ron Paul 2012

Here, maybe Jon Stewart can explain it better than me. Unless he's too right wing for you, lols.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-december-7-2011/arrested-development---one-way-train-to-gitmo

ypu must be a loser.

Alil Common Sense - Lawrence O'Donell just outed your hero Ron Paul tonight as not being a "true libertarian

Personal question? Do you have sex and/or believe in contraceptives? Ron Paul said in the debate that immorality is promoted by contraceptives

Sorry - libertarians don't believe that - actually Ayn Rand had no morals whatsoever

So what do you have? An old man one foot in the 1860s and one foot in the 1950s Go for it!

Barbara...you didnt pay attention to what Ron Paul said....he is a person who believes in have personal freedoms, and with those freedoms come risks...

What he was saying (and he's right) is that when you remove risks to once risky choices, people will follow through more often...on topic of the birth control...he said don't blame the pills..he said blame the mentality of the welfare state, where there is less taboo and less risk of having a child out of wedlock or as a teen b/c if the parent cant take care of it they get government assistance....that's the problem with this country...many people want to have a government to hold their hands because they don't want to held responsible for their personal choices...

He also used the same philosophy of his view of BC to guns...eventually don't blame the pills for human choices...people are choosing to do what they do (have sex, leading to having children, using children as a source of income) so don't demonize the pill...he also believes that guns don't kill people..people kill people...if there were no guns people would kill people with knives, swords, arrows, poison....you cannot blame the tools used in crimes..the blame is all on the person committing the crime..

that's why I voted for Paul...no more enabling Americans...holding true to the constitution...returning America to the true owners of this country..the citizens

-RON PAUL 2012-

"Personal freedoms" - contraceptives are my choice and homosexuals have a right to be what they are without the GOP or anyone else saying otherwise! Paul's talk about personal freedoms don't mean a hill of beans! HYPOCRITE!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!!

Sounds just like the Democrats also. The Republicans are for the rich and the Democrats are for keeping the poor, poor. Without the poor the Democrats would have no voter base.

Tom, it wasn't just the 'poor' who voted Obama into office.

AHHHH how about FATA$$$$ that guy from NJ you know FAT A$$$$$$$

Only Obama can save the Republican party with his putting this country so far in debt, he trying to destroy it.

Obama talks recovery but with 6 retailers closing 813 stores. With Blockbuster's announcement that it is closing 1000 stores. With a post office that announced its layoff 35,000 this week and closing post offices, it sure doesn't indicate the recovery Obama talks about is anything more than a fantasy made up by his camapaign.

Blockbuster was closing stores before the recession started in 2007. They are closing stores because there entire business model has been destroyed by iTunes, Netflix, Hulu, and Redbox. They are a failing company and it has nothing to do with economic conditions.

So why is Obama spending $238,000 in Michigan running anti-Romney television ads? Obama is terrified of going up against someone who actually knows what he is talking about. What will Obama do without a teleprompter to tell him what to say when Romney starts talking real economics? Maybe he will break into song!

Get Over Yourself... that's all Obama's campaign is spending? Why not spout how much Romney is spending? It's okay for Romney but not for Obama....hmmm... Typical Repubnut values! :-)

That's an interesting point, Loren. Romney feels the need to spend $1.2 million of ads, to support himself in his one of his 'home' states. That of course is in addition to his PAC ads, which are spending $6 million (between MI and AZ). While his opponents together are likely spending one third of Romney's share alone.

I'm in MI, and an Indy. I'm still waiting for the 'this is who I am' ads, and the 'this is what I'll do' stuff. I am soo tired of the now typical 'I'm bland but my opponent is worse, so vote for me' crap. WHERE'S THE PLAN? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO...other than, undo everything that has started to work, so far?

Exactly! I am going to our caucuses on Super Tuesday, March 6th, and am quite excited to be able to caucus for Gov. Romney. It is the Obama-mania Media that keeps pushing anyone but Romney. What does it say that the Obama campaign has purchased $238,000 in anti-Romney television ads in Michigan? The idea that a sitting President, unopposed in his own party, would run ads in a pivotal state that are specific to one candidate only---Romney, says all one need know about what they think about Romney's chances if they do not stop him. The Obama team is terrified of Romney and that means the Press is, too. So here we go creating a story where there isn't one. This is a case of the media trying to make anyone but Romney a self-fulfilling prophecy. It won't work. Romney will be the Republican nominee and he will defeat Obama in November. Get used to it Libs because it is going to happen.

Get Over Yourself - you should follow your own advice GET OVER YOURSELF

Get Over Yourself -- LOL... Obama's team is afraid of Romney? What are you smoking? That's the best joke I've heard in a long time. The GOP/Teabaggers/Boehner's Bunch can't stop lying long enough about Obama to see that they are knee deep in their own crap! No wonder their GOP approval rating is in the toilet. I agree with Barbara Adams Jackson; GET OVER YOURSELF!

So BinNH, whats your take on most people being of the opinion that Ron Paul does not really WANT to be elected, he just wants to get his message out there, that we have more rights than we know about? He did afterall says years ago when he ran that he did not plan on winning he just wanted to get his message out into the public! He has a history of running just to get a message out there and not to win! Does that make him smart or stupid?

BTW I liked your comment! So I am not against it, just wondering how it could play to our advantage!

It's The Chicken Little Party. The sky is always falling and everybody should live in fear. The way it sounds whenever I hear them is they are afraid of everything. They are self centered, selfish, fearfull and eager to promote division and fear of others.

The 'GOP loves scare tactics'??? WHATTT!!!! Was it not Obama that was telling our retired Americans and those on SSI, just a few months ago, that the checks may not be going out next month?? Scare tactics?? Now that was as stupid as it gets. The POTUS is TH ONLY ONE that can make that decision. Obama was scaring poor, older people that depend on those checks because that is what they paid into SSI for so long for and then that idiot goes and tries to scare millions of elderly people into making them think they may not get their check if decides not to send them out. What a jerk. My grandmother, whom was 95 years old at the time was so worried, she told me she would have to borrow money to pay her bills if she did not get her SSI

Don't tell the GOP supporters about THEIR scare tactics.

Rob, rob, rob....gas will be at $5 next week....the stock market will fall to 12,000...unemployment will rebound to 12%. More crap from the GOP.

The only way they feel comfortable is to paint a dire picture, and blame everything on the President. Repub congress has worked for two years to wreck our economy and blame it on Obama; not working. Repub base is praying for another recession; not working. Things are trending upward. So stop with your 'we're angels, we don't use scare tactics', bs.

If you had one candidate....just one, that had any plan for the future, we'd love to see that person. But so far, even your own party is laughing at the recent and current batch of misfits.

Rob --- Was it not Obama that was telling our retired Americans and those on SSI, just a few months ago, that the checks may not be going out next month??

He did say that, that's true. He was letting the citizens know because the do nothing GOP A$$holes were going to let the Govt shut down! Read a couple of articles and come back with a better one, ok?

The whole country's afraid of Ron Paul. He really needs to get back on his medication.

Nacy Pelosi also needs to be put back in the nursing home and back on her meds , along with Harry .

Al Sanchez: Voting for Romney would be like asking for free pain and think you are not suppose to feel it. Romney should record a record himself called the king of flip flop and then go try to sell it to Motown in Detroit. Then we will see how that is working for him? LOL.

Maybe you could try to understand them. They are not anywhere close to as "anti-life" as you believe. Most likely you don't understand their mindset.

Slam Tore 'Um sounds like a made up porn star name ! Romney sounds awfully close to Rommel ! If Gingrich takes all 3 of his wives with him. They could call their group '' Gladys Newt and the Pimps ". Ron Paul Jones sounds very close to the founder of the American Navy. Someone he actually knew growing up. So I guess the Democrats will win with a candidate whose first name rhymes with Osama, and whose middle name is Hussein. We know he was not only born in an American state (Hawaii ), but the state most of us, wish we living in right now. This just isn't a good year for names this election !

Very good jim.

The mindset of profit first, deny the consequences, and blame others. No, I do not understand and I never will.