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Subscribe to RSSWith the Republican contenders meeting in Mesa, Ariz., Wednesday night for their final debate before Tuesday’s primaries in that state and in Michigan, the issue of illegal immigration will likely get another turn in the spotlight and the GOP will get another reminder of the general election difficulties it faces with Hispanic voters.
None of the four remaining GOP contenders has voiced support for a broad amnesty that would allow younger illegal immigrants to become permanent legal residents.
NBC-Marist Michigan poll
NBC-Marist Arizona poll
Of the four, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has the most accommodating policy toward illegal immigration, calling for local citizen review boards to allow some long-term illegal residents to remain in the United States.
While immigration hasn’t been a dominant issue in this GOP presidential contest, it has a deep impact in Arizona where Republican Gov. Jan Brewer, signed SB 1070, a crackdown on illegal immigrants in 2010. Brewer has not yet endorsed a Republican presidential contender.
President Barack Obama’s Justice Department is trying to overturn that Arizona law and the Supreme Court hears oral arguments in that case on April 25.
The GOP contenders are unlikely to directly criticize the Arizona law in Wednesday's debate on Brewer’s home turf. More than two-thirds of likely Republican primary voters in Arizona said they’d be more inclined to vote for a presidential candidate who backs SB 1070, according to the NBC News/Marist Poll released Wednesday.
The GOP contenders walk a fine line: hard-hitting rhetoric on immigration is popular with conservative primary voters, but may be costly in the fall because Latinos seem likely to account for a bigger share of the general electorate in battleground states like Colorado and Nevada than they did four years ago.
A new NBC News poll shows that GOP presidential hopefuls Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum are neck-and-neck in Michigan, but Romney has a comfortable lead in Arizona. NBC's Chuck Todd reports.
With Brewer now one face of the party on the issue, the GOP has come a long way from 2004 when President George W. Bush -- who said “family values don’t stop at the Rio Grande” -- won an estimated 43 percent of Latino voters. Republican candidate John McCain won an estimated 31 percent of Latino voters in 2008.
In the 2008 election, Arizona went for its own senator, McCain. This year, its 11 electoral votes are an alluring target for Obama’s strategists. But the Democrats’ “chances of it flipping are pretty minimal” this year due to the conservatism of white voters there, said Ruy Teixeira, a political demographer and senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, a Democratic-allied think tank.
In the NBC News/Marist Poll of Arizona voters, in a hypothetical contest between Obama and Mitt Romney, 45 percent said they’d support Romney and 40 percent said they’d back Obama.
But overall in the general election, “The Latino vote is going to be absolutely crucial in 2012,” Teixeira said at a recent conference on Latino voters at American University in Washington.
In Nevada, for example, Teixeira projects a four percentage-point increase in the minority share of the vote and a five-point decline in white working-class voters’ share of the vote.
The NOW panel expects immigration to be a hot-button issue during Wednesday night's GOP presidential debate in Arizona, but will the issue rise to the forefront of national attention?
If Obama can win 80 percent of minority voters nationally, “he could get shellacked” among white voters “as badly as Democratic congressional candidates were in 2010, when they lost the white working class by 30 points” and yet “he could almost survive that level of shellacking,” Teixeira argued.
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Even in Pennsylvania, where Latinos were only four percent of the 2008 electorate, they may end up being crucial, Teixeira said.
He predicted that Obama will lose among Pennsylvania’s white working-class voters, but “all he has to do is not get totally wiped out. He can afford a 15-point loss, he can afford a 20-point loss, what he doesn’t want is 30-point loss” among white working-class voters.
“If he can get the Latino vote mobilized and motivated to vote for him at a high level, I think it very much reinforces his chances of taking the state,” he said.
Polling of registered Latino voters for Univision last month suggested that GOP opposition to the DREAM Act will make it impossible for most Latinos to vote Republican in November. In the Univision poll, 85 percent of Latino voters supported the DREAM Act.
Passed by the House, but rejected by the Senate in 2010, the DREAM Act would allow non-citizens under age 30 who entered the United States illegally before their 16th birthday to remain as legal U.S. residents, as long as they’d committed no serious crimes, earned a high school diploma, or served in the military.
Even though more than 60 percent of Latinos are U.S. born, and thus American citizens, most Latino registered voters also say they know someone -- sometimes a family member -- who is an illegal immigrant. That personal connection is one reason why the DREAM Act has become a litmus test.
All but three GOP senators voted against allowing a vote on the DREAM Act in 2010; all but five Democratic senators voted for it.
Obama’s support for the DREAM Act may be an electoral liability in states such as North Carolina -- Democratic Sen. Kay Hagan and three of the state’s Democratic House members voted against it in 2010 -- and in Indiana: Democratic Senate candidate Rep. Joe Donnelly voted against it. Obama carried both North Carolina and Indiana in 2008.
But elsewhere Obama’s support for the bill seems likely to help him win Latino votes.
“A lot of Latinos are very upset about Obama’s deportation policies” -- there were a record number of deportations in 2010 -- “there’s a disappointment there,” Teixeira said, but he contends that what he calls the “anti-immigrant tenor” of the Republican Party “is pushing Latinos into the arms of the Democratic Party.”
Stanford University political scientist Gary Segura said that the GOP “has missed a strategic opportunity” to win over Latinos. Obama, he said, “is assuming he has support (among Latinos) that he may not have, but he might ultimately get away with it anyway ... because of Republican messaging on the (immigration) issue.”
Republican National Committee spokeswoman Alexandra Franceschi disputed the idea that immigration will dominate Latino voters’ decisions in November.
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Polls, she said, “show that the number one issue that Hispanics across the country are considering when they’re going to make an electoral decision is jobs and the economy. I think the immigration issue kind of gets blown out of proportion ... .”
She noted that unemployment rate among Latinos is two points higher than the national average “and they’re really frustrated by President Obama’s failed economic policies.”
The RNC launched a Latino outreach program last month, hiring Bettina Inclan, a former strategist for Florida Gov. Rick Scott, to direct that effort which will put RNC field workers in Florida, New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada to mobilize Latino Republicans.
The tension over immigration in the GOP has been between Gingrich and Romney.
In a debate last December, Gingrich referred to “someone who's been here 25 years, somebody who has been a good local citizen, may well belong to your church, has children and grandchildren in the United States,” and argued that “I do not believe the people of the United States are going to send the police in to rip that kind of person out and ship them out of this country ... .”
But he also said that most illegal workers in the United States “should go home immediately” and “we should make deportation dramatically easier.”
Gingrich in one ad branded Romney as “the most anti-immigrant candidate,” and despite taking down that ad, stood by that label when asked about it in a debate last month.
Romney has said, “I am pro-immigrant. I want people to come to America with skill and vitality and vibrancy. I want them to come legally.”
He has also said, “I'm not going around and rounding people up and deporting them.” He proposes that legal immigrants receive a work permit. “People who do not come here legally do not get a work permit. Those who don't get work will tend, over time, to self-deport,” he said.
Romney said last month that he’d veto the DREAM Act, but he supports a version of it that would open a path to citizenship to those who serve in the U.S. military.
Despite the general Latino support for the DREAM Act, Romney did win 54 percent of Latino voters in Florida’s Jan. 31 Republican primary.
Former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum voted against the 2006 comprehensive immigration reform bill which included a version of the DREAM Act.
He supports legal immigration, in order to boost population growth -- “We are not replacing ourselves,” he warned last month -- and because “immigrants bring a vitality and a love of this country that infuses this country with great energy.”
But he said, “people who have come to this country illegally have broken the law repeatedly” by working here and must be deported.
The maverick GOP contender, Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who voted against the Dream Act in 2010, said in a debate last month, “We spend way too much time worrying about the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Use some of those resources on our own border.”
But Paul also seemed to imply he’d tolerate some illegal immigration in a boom economy: “The weaker the economy, the more resentment there is when illegals come in. If you have a healthy, vibrant economy, it's not a problem; we're usually looking for workers.”
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The GOP has missed the opportunity to court the intelligent vote.
The GOP doesn't "hate" latinos, blacks, etc. They hate ILLEGAL aliens within our borders sucking us dry. Why in the hell so many non-citizens get so many benefits is ridiculous. An American citizen crosses the Mexican border illegally and gets thrown in jail-we give benefits and citizenship if they pop out a baby or have been here illegally for 'x' amount of years. Bull@!$%#.
Rob, I know, I know, we just have to deal with our childish opposition on the left all the time that uses hate on every issue, no matter how irrelevant.
The latest ridiculous hate usage from a Democratic clown I heard was someone on here saying Romney "hates the middle class". Like people sit around loathing a bunch of citizens who make $45,000ish lol.
And of course if you "love" them you want them poorer and dependent on government, like the Democrats do. "love".
Rob, a lot of my latino brothers get so many benefits because you and the government turn their heads and allow them to. And if an American citizen crosses the border they get raped and robbed and thrown in a ditch. Why have to feed them? And most of us are Catholic and cannot practice birth control so we have LARGE families and stay together not like the blacks. Why do you not understand this? And if an illegal can get a SS card of a dead person, they will cause the Fed does not check that closely. And they steal auto decals so they don't have to pay personal prop. Problem? You dummy.
LRSA: Like whites don't lead the nation of people being on food stamps and meth plus enbred children?
Funny the idiot comments on here that cry racism at every opportunity. Here's the reality for you: I'm a legal Hispanic immigrant. I don't like illegal immigration and feel we need to secure the border. Somehow, to white liberals, that makes me a racist because I wish to follow the law.
No Ray, I am also hispanic uncut and born in Monterrey. this country makes it very easy for the illegals to get in to do the jobs they dont want. It is a waste of my money to 'secure' the borders. F** white liberals. F** white conservatives. ALso the balck ones. Things are as they are because the society wants them to be. You and I can do nothing. Do not apologize for what white society allows there to be.
Hate comes in all colors and your post proves it! Things are as they are not because society wants it that way, they are what they are because the Obama chooses to believe that he only has to enforce the laws he damn well pleases.
ahh cognitive dissonannce. you hate obama, therfore its all his fault.. even though this has gone on at LEAST since reagan pardoned millions of "illeguhls."
and now Omama wants amnesty for tens of millions.
Looks like the media will push this issue so Obama will give amnesty to all illegals in order to get re-elected. With the media pushing the amnesty then he will just say that the majority of the people wanted it so I will do it myself and sign an executive order. The man is getting desperate. The media knows how to get results from Obama.
Don't forget about the illegal mexicans who will be voting; can almost guarantee that will be the case for the big Nov 2012 election.
Only citizens can vote
The Republicans are planting the seeds, as they begin to suspect that President Obama will win reelection. Just like in 2008, they want to make sure they can cast doubt on the legitimate outcome by screaming about illegals, or black panthers, or ACORN, or whatever. They will never admit to losing to Obama.
Sorry Re-Elect, you Debtocrats insured that non-citizens can vote by opposing Voter ID. If there's 15 Juan Hernandez's who are registered American citizens in Sante Fe, New Mexico, but only 10 of them vote, there will be 5 ballots any illegal could use.
Any illegal could walk up, claim to be someone else, and vote. No ID required.
Nice thinking.
Viva la Raza. ChestyPuller, you are correct. We hispanics do NOT wanrt voter ID. Tried that in Ar and it didnt pass here either. No one HAS to show any id in AR, just know an address in the district. Has nothing to do with how many Juan Henandez's there are. You can say you are Barney Ruble and you vote.
Illegals are not rushing to the polls to vote and risk being caught and deported. Let alone somehow obtain a copy of the voter rolls for a particular election in advance and pick a randon name to impersonate. LOL
Besides, all States have verification procedures like multiple forms of non-picture ID, signature verification, etc. before the final vote count is certified. Nobody can simply walk into a precint and cast a vote.
Voter ID laws only serve to deprive young, elderly and poor citizens from voting.
Silly conservatives, you so funny.
shhh! you're totally ruining their paranoia!
....how idiotic.......anyone who can't show ID doesn't need to vote, they need a drool cup.......
yet ID for welfare, Social Security, state assistance, food stamps doesn't seem to be a hinderance.
Is anybody who is normal a missed 2012 opportunity for Republicans?
Like the expression goes " if you're poor , middle class or a minority and you vote Republican you're an idot!"
like the saying goes
"the middle class opposes the Democratic Party, and votes against them in 90% of elections"
or the other saying
"if you're not poor and you don't want a handout, but you vote Democrat anyway, you're an idiot"
I call BS !!! Democrats and Republicans should ALL be on the same page here. IF you are not in this country legally then you have NO rights at all. You talk of our economy and not one word is said about illegals. They send money weekly back to their own country. Does no one but me see that it is taking from "our" economy? Money made here in the US and sent back to Mexico (or other countries) does hurt us weekly! How many illegals voted for the President we have now? The system is so flawed when it comes to voter registration it isn't even funny.
And forcryingoutloud, what is your point? You have described conditions here very well. AND yet, here we are. Illegal? Welcome, take a seat in the ER. Vote? Here is a dead persons SS number. Money to Mex? Close as the nearest Walmart. Most farmers want to pay SS? No, no SS tax for you. Spread it over your nineteen kids. Do not want to pay personal prop? Steal a sticker. Millions of my brothers voted and will vote for President. And you CANNOT and WILL NOT do anything about it. Or you would have done something by now.
Why don't you people just come out and say you are for letting as many people who want to come here each year, come. Because that is what you are saying.
The fact is more people want to come each year than we can take. From everywhere I might add. Anyone who thinks that is something we can accept is a moron. Period. It's the economy stupid. There are not enough jobs for everyone who is here already.
Now, if you don't want to stop the extra people, over and above the amount of people we can accept in a given year, from coming here or do anything with the people who come illegally each year, then you are saying that whoever wants to come can come. How ever many people that is, so be it. That is what you are saying.
Have to courage to admitt it.
We can only accept so many people a year. It really is that simple.
If you think any number of people should be able to come here each year, you are in fact a moron.
Ok. I am for letting as many people to come in as can. There. More people come in than we can take and the number is growing. Ok. From everywhere. ok There are certainly enough of the jobs we want. Farm work, stoop labor is fine with us. For a while there it was tough but it is getting better. I have the courage to admit it. And the fact that ANY number of people do in fact come here every year makes you the moron because you let it happen. QED
With an attitude like that no wonder Mexico is a CHIT hole. Although I would point out that Mexico does everything it can to keep people from coming across it's southern border.....but that is somehow different. And I also love how a bunch of Mexican immigrants come here and fly the Mexican flag. Why would anyone want to. MEXICO is a CHIT HOLE!!!!!!! That's why you left is it not? And I guess if the going ever gets tough here, you will abandon this country just as quick. What a patriot!
Steve-0-7286o8: You are right that mexico is no more than a hole to use the bathroom in that is why they are trying to escape. As for the comment by LRSA about mexican families staying together is a total lie because if you look around in any state the majority of mexican females have more kids by different mexican guys and they are not around because they don't like responsibilty. They basically view mexican females as no more than rabbits and that is the truth and every one in the southwest knows it. The reason that mexican guys hang in packs is because if you find one over 5 feet you are lucky and they feel safe in a pack so that macho thing is no more than a front.
ahhh.. my brethren.. let the bigotry and racism flow!!!
"i dont get why they call us republicans racists!"
or much else for that matter. You can return to Omamas manual colonoscopy now.
Obama supporters are genuinely baffled by a candidate that won't change his political and moral views for the opportunity to get votes. Obama voters have absolutely no problem with their candidate saying one thing and doing another as long as he wins.
INSOC: Uh, tell you what fella, your post sounds like a perfect description of your boy Willard. There ain't a single position he's taken that he has not done a complete reversal on.
Which Voters would these be Legal or Illegal?
If Legal - they have a mind of their Own!
IF Ric-an -- Well they should go back to their Puerto Rico!
Puerto Rico is a US Territory and all Puerto Ricans are US Citizens with the right to vote if they are residents of a U.S State, you moron.
sshhhh! you're getting in the way of his hate bro!
but no, no, it's not their brown skin...
Read it all seems the divide continues. One question why is the woman in the picture (the one questioning Gingrich) holding what looks like a Puerto Rican Flag or facsimile? She should be holding the American flag no?
The Commonwealth of Puerto Rico is actually an unincorporated territory of the United States. It has a nonvoting delegate in the U.S. Congress. Puerto Rican citizens cannot vote in U.S. Presidential elections, but they CAN vote in primaries. If a Puerto Rican becomes a citizen of any U.S. state, they can then vote in Presidential elections.
U.S. Federal law does apply in Puerto Rico because of its territorial status, and Puerto Ricans are considered U.S. citizens even though they can't vote for the U.S. President. Contrary to popular belief, Puerto Ricans do have to pay most U.S. Federal taxes, though not federal personal income tax.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico#Commonwealth
Former teacher, now I know why you are a former teacher. You taught PR was a state? wow.
if we let 11 million random illegals become citizens, how long until an additional 11 million come in to the country & demand to also be made legal? Having to graduate high school is not a big deal, I say serve 4 years active duty military with honor. Then apply to be a citizen, no GI bill Benefits, no Housing benefits, no sponsoring other illegal family members. You have already sucked your benefits from the system. Start over as a citizen, I wasn't given a thing, I had to do it all by myself..... & welcome to America.
I am Latino and I agree with you. But I always vote against immigration reform cause I know it pisses you white folks off. Let my people in! And about those Indians from India? Arent they disgustingly dirty? And curry stinks. The Asians are okay until they bomb Pearl Harbor again. Germans, ok. By the way, keep diluting the black gene pool with your white women. Everyone will look like us ina short while. Viva la raza!!
JODI: Did you feel this way when the patron saint of the GOP, The Gipper, granted immunity to millions???
Rant sounds very much like frightened white man panic. Irrational and bigoted hateful bile borne of fear of losing privilege and supposed "majority" status.
And by the way, it is blatantly false that you were "given nothing and had to do it all by yourself." When you applied for a job and white candidates were placed at the top of the pile [even if you did not see it happen] you were given privilege. When you screwed up on your job and were talked to instead of being fired, you were given privilege. Another example of being born on third base and believing you hit a triple.
Latino voters? I am a Latino voter and I would rather vote for Dick Nixon (even though he is dead, RIP) than ANYBODY running today. ANY BODY. We Latinos cannot field our own candidates even in Mexico.
All the Republican candidates for president are closet Ayatollahs; we don't need any of them. They should all grow beards so they more resemble the ideologically similar Muslim Ayatollahs.
Do you think the media and establishment are going to be in for a surprise if they keep on stealing Ron Pauls votes? I think they know what is coming, and ignoring Ron Paul and the voter fraud isn't going to make them go away.
JON: Voter fraud??? Care to elaborate on that?
Ozzie Boy, voter fraud, payola, etc are an acknowledged part of American politics. What dimension ahve you been living in? If it can be imagined, it is done.
Except for the die hard right wing christain conservitives, the Republicans have pissed off just about everyone else. The left, moderates, minorities, women, & homosexuals just to name a few i doubt will vote Republican. What a mess and dispoinment the Republicans have become.
Bogus Liberal Media Narrative:
"Hispanic citizens' only political belief is support for illegal immigration"
Sure CHESTY, coming from you, thats golden.
Minor correcttion, chesty. it goes like this:
Hispanic citzens' (me) only political belief is support for illegal HISPANIC immigration. Some of the other people conpete with mine. Please get it straight next time when you quote us.
The RNC spokesperson response to this issue is consistent and also dead wrong. It is almost laughable.
The logic is this: you can insult women, deny them reproductive rights to choose, force them to bear the offspring of rape and incest, deny them equal opportunity to serve in the military and an assortment of other discriminatory slights, but if you claim that there will be more jobs and the economy will improve [even if you cannot explain how that will happen] women will ignore all the insults and attacks and vote for you.
Similarly, you can target Latinos for persecution and harassment because their skin is brown, preclude Latino children who were brought into the country as infants from becoming citizens, deny possibility of Latinos who have lived and paid taxes and been contributors to local communities possible paths to citizenship, but if you claim that there will be more jobs and the economy will improve [even if you cannot explain how that will happen] Latinos will ignore all the insults and attacks and vote for you.
I certainly would not want anyone with that mentality and level of intelligence as my strategic advisor, unless I had a serious death wish. Is that the best message that the GOP can muster?
A steaming wad of socialist lies and crap.
"reproductive rights" liberal code words for slaughtering unborn babies, even after the heart is beating at 6 weeks.
The Republicans don't believe women have to bear the offspring of rape, and bringing up rare case rape abortions is leftwing stupidity because they feel like they can't defend the 99% of barbaric abortions that are just done for convenience.
Women can serve in the military, they are unqualified to serve in combat unless they can physically run as fast and are as strong, and can do everything else men can do in boot camp. The enemy won't give women an extra 2 seconds to run across the field before he starts shooting.
Latinos aren't targeted, liberal liar. It's the illegal ones. You know this. You know you have no defense of illegal immigration. So you pretend it's about Latinos in general or immigrants in general.
Anyone who is against illegal immigration but votes for trash Democrats like Underground Sanity above, is an idiot who votes against their own beliefs.
Chesty, what makes you think illegal immigration needs defense? It is. It occurs. With government sanction and token, inneffectual, lip service attempts at stopping it. Just like illegal drugs. Same thing. Chesty, wake up. The world is what it is and you CANNOT do anything about it.
Reagan, the GOP icon, couldn't get nominated in this GOP laughingstock of a Party
Rush Oxycontin Lintball would call him a RINO......and FAUX news would say that he is weak on immigration
UNFORGIVEN: Funny how they rarely mention that The Gipper granted ammnesty to millions and somehow that is alright.
Ozzy, yah the Debtocrats and Reagan tried the amnesty foolishness once before and it failed, we just got another 12 million criminals.
So what's your point? We should try what failed again? No thanks. The 80's amnesty failure is why we should never do that again.
Chesty, please. The government of the US tried amnesty and it succeeded. We now have 12 million fine upstanding citizens paying taxes, etc. just like you wanted. Chesty, be you a troll?
Compared to the Muslims amnesty push for 10's of millions it is alright.
LMAO...It depends on where the Poll is taken and who was asked...I mean if you ask 50,000 Illegal Aliens if they support the GOP I would surmise they would say no.....
But in my area where we have a large LEGAL Hispanic Population who work hard just like anyone else except for the typical Professional Non-Producers the Demoncrats so love...They themselves do not not like the ILLEGAL'S which cause them to have a rough time...And most are Business owners so they support the Republicans as the last Election cycle proved when again the Demoncrats didn't even bother to field a Candidate in this area....So again MSN NBC cannot be relied upon to give you the whole entire story but just the pieces they want you to see.....
EDDIE: What is a "non producer"???
Why is it that so many on the Right are under some sort of allusion that they and only they, work and are productive members of society.
If by non producing you mean many liberals are highly educated professionals, artists, musicians, actors not to mention engineers, scientists, doctors and the like, then yes, I suppose you're right. Did you happen to catch the party at the White House last night? Mick Jagger, BB King, Buddy Guy and many more. You don't think that would ever happen in a GOP White House, do you??? LOL
I also know plenty of people on the left who are not afraid of people of physical labor. Exactly where did you come by this notion that work was somehow unique to the Right???
Eddie, do not let on what we are doing. Do NOT attract attention. We have it good here, dude. Remember the mantra! Hispanic = illegal. I love the illegals!! They make more money in the fields, etc than they do in Mex. They get free healthcare here at the Emergency rooms. They are alerted to La Duena coming so they can hide. DO NOT MESS this up. Please.
Most Latino's only care about what the United States can do for them and could care less about the rest of the nation. Perfect example was the Florida GOP debate. Three of the questions posed by Hispanic's were "We have many qualified, Hispanic leaders. Which of our Hispanic leaders would you consider to serve in your cabinet?" and "What Hispanic leaders do you think would make a good Vice President" and also "We have been treated as second class citizen and just now our governor's name was not mentioned as a V.P. possibility, a great governor. My question to you is, where do you stand for Puerto Rico to become a state? And secondly, how do you -- where do you stand on domestic trade between Florida and Puerto Rico, between Tampa Bay and Ponce ports which have been neglected?". These questions are about as racist as can be.
No questions regarding the economy or job creation but only "what are you going to do for Hispanics?" and "what Hispanic's are you going to put into leadership positions?". Based on questions like these one can only assume that most Hispanic's are only concerned about getting power and have a "screw everyone else" attitude.
Long gone are the days when people immigrated to the U.S. to become part of the population and integrate and be proud to be an American. People just come to use and abuse our social programs meant for citizens and bleed our economy dry. All while our government gives incentives to corporations to send American jobs oversea's to countries that oppress their citizens and are practically slave labor working in condition that would never be allowed here. It will be a miracle if we ever recover.
It was sponsored by the Hispanic Leadership Network, why should they not ask questions that are relevant to their organization?
I am latino and you are right. We only care about ourselves and our own and seem to be doing fine. In fact, alot of jobs (Walmart IT) have gone to MEXICO because they are in the same time zone as them in Ark. F the Indian continent. Besides, a LOT of people in the US speak Spanish like we do. Why shouldn't we do as you say? You and the US governement ALLOW us to abuse you. So?
If you don't vote, you have no rights to complain about anything! If you're an illegal in this country and using up our resources to stay here, you definitely have no rights at all! As far as Latinos go, what's this crap with Puerto Rico? Not a US state, they get all the benefits however and we legal citizens are all paying for it! How Frackin' convenient!!! They sure as hell have no voting rights! You remember our forefathers' right? They are the ones that fought and died for this country so we U.S. citizens would have the right to vote and live in freedom. Illegal Latinos...not so much! Become legal. Pay your taxes. Work hard and after you become a citizen, then vote baby, vote!
You are so dumb. There are MILLIONS of us here. And the big farms and Walmart will only let you do token raids on our people. And our people clog the emergency rooms because you let us. And Puerto Rico does as it does. And it pisses you off you can't do anything about it at all. And there are enough of us legal to frustrate you. Lifes a bitch, huh Sgt?
Legal's fine. It's the illegal vermin who need to be thrown in the gutter.
**Don't buy Tyson chicken at the grocery store, busted with illegal immigrants not long ago.**
A couple of factual corrections, and an opinion. Even people in the U.S. illegally still have Constitutional protections and rights. You can't just torture them or hold them in jail indefinitely without a trial. They have the right to remain silent, to have an attorney, etc. So the idea that anyone in the U.S. illegally has no rights is factually untrue.
As I stated above, Puerto Ricans do pay most Federal taxes. They are exempt from Federal income tax.
I'm also going to disagree about not having any right to complain if you don't vote. I think that you don't have the right to complain about the RESULTS of an election you don't participate in; but you can still complain about the election process itself.
No, illegals have no rights, just the right to be deported. "torture" lol, you're an idiot, as far as in jail indefinitely, there should be no jail, just direct deportation.
Every Hispanic illegal we catch should be dumped in the desert of Northern Mexico.
And yet Chesty, you moron, here we are. Very little deportation. Did you not read what Clotho said? Illegals have rights. And you pay taxes and our young die to protect those rights. You are loosing your cool. Chill dude.
Every Hispanic illegal we catch should be dumped in the desert of Northern Mexico.
You dont say? Every illegal stupid enough to be caught without papers is given a nice ride to the border, and allowed to try again. Until they get it right. No fine, nada.
By the way, illegal Haitians would like to be taken back to Haiti. And Cubans back to Cuba. Wait!, they are.
I am a Latino voter. Born in Monterrey, MX. None of these bozos are aware that my brothers continue to come across the border. Especially now that Walmart's sales are up and the Dollar stores are hiring. Please do not alert them. Soon, very soon. Viva la raza!!
"Viva la Raza, but I want to go to a real country where I can earn big money lol"
The Viva la Raza clowns who leave their 95% Latino nations to immigrate to mostly white America because America's rich and their craphole is dirt poor are hilarious.
No Chesty, you are dumb. I went to a four year school in 1968 to learn computer science to have a very very nice job and a white woman for a wife. I was born in Mexico. You know who paid for my ENTIRE four year degree? Google Lyndon Johnson's Great Society Northwest Rural opportunities. 100% And a job at the computer center. And help getting a job at a bank afterwards. And yo mama and daddy paid for it ALL. No student loans. Because of my last name. And Mexico? I will never go back. It is worse than a craphole. Much worse. Do you think my folks were too stupid to go to a great land where we were welcomed and all our needs provided for by the white society? BTW, you do realize 'we' are now the largest minority? You do, dont you?
LRSA: You want to sound like you are hard but i would bet if someone saw you in the streets you would have on pink panties and a womens bra be under five feet and still claim to be macho. LOL
I am sure OBAMA will go after any wetback or illegal to vote for him. He probably is also attempting to get all terrorists to vote for him as well!!!!
illegals don't vote, hon.
JIMMY: You are referring to all the terrorists that Bush couldn't get but that Obama killed. Is that what you're referring to???
Really?
Illegals regularly vote. There are been several elections in California where 9-12% of the vote was thrown out because of ID Fraud.
HAROLD: Care to document that? Your assertion is beyond insane. Show me proof of "voter fraud" beyond a single case here and there. I defy you.
You are correct. Obama is much better at having people killed.
March 17, 2011
Lake County, IL
Illegal alien arrested, charged with voter fraud
LAKE COUNTY, Ill. - An illegal alien from the Philippines was arrested Thursday morning on a felony complaint charging her with 17 counts related to voter fraud in Lake County. The state charges resulted from a joint investigation conducted by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and the Lake County State's Attorneys Office. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) also provided assistance.
Maria Azada, 53, of Grayslake, Ill., was arrested March 17 by ICE HSI agents and a Lake County State's Attorneys special investigator. Azada faces 17 felony counts in Lake County Circuit Court of perjury, mutilation of election materials, and tampering with voting machines in connection with illegal voting by a non-U.S. citizen.
The investigation began in February 2009 when Azada admitted to a USCIS officer during an interview for an immigration benefit that she had voted in an election. It is illegal for foreign nationals to vote in national or state elections in the United States.
A subsequent investigation revealed that Azada allegedly voted nine times in primary, general and consolidated elections between 2003 and 2009. According to the arrest warrant, Azada allegedly falsely claimed to be a U.S. citizen on two Illinois Voter Registration applications.
"Our nation's founders reserved the right to vote in this country for U.S. citizens," said Gary Hartwig, special agent in charge of ICE HSI in Chicago. "ICE HSI will work aggressively to investigate and bring to justice anyone who falsely claims to be a U.S. citizen so they can illegally vote in an election."
If convicted, Azada faces up to five years in state prison on each of the two perjury counts. She also faces up to three years on each of the six counts of tampering with voting machines, and each of the nine counts of mutilation of election materials.
The public is reminded that an indictment contains only charges and is not evidence of guilt. The defendant is presumed innocent and is entitled to a fair trial at which the government has the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
Voter Fraud: Research Study Suggests Major US Election Problems – OpEd
Written by: Jim Kouri
February 21, 2012
A major non-partisan research project suggests that the U.S. is fast approaching the status of Third-World Nation when it comes to the integrity of local and national elections.
"Our democratic process requires an effective system for maintaining accurate voter registration information. Voter registration lists are used to assign precincts, send sample ballots, provide polling place information, identify and verify voters at polling places, and determine how resources, such as paper ballots and voting machines, are deployed on Election Day" state Pew Center statisticians.
These systems are plagued with errors and inefficiencies that waste taxpayer dollars, undermine voter confidence, and fuel partisan disputes over the integrity of our elections, according to Pew researchers.
Voter registration in the United States largely reflects its 19th-century origins and has not kept pace with advancing technology and a mobile society. States' systems must be brought into the 21st century to be more accurate, cost-effective, and efficient, according to Pew Center statement.
Research commissioned by the Pew Center on the States highlights the extent of the challenge:
Meanwhile, researchers estimate at least 51 million eligible U.S. citizens are unregistered, or more than 24 percent of the eligible population.
The Pew study also found that the paper-based processes of most registration systems present several opportunities for error.
In a typical system, election officials get information about a voter's identity, eligibility, address, and contact information through a form completed at a public agency, such as a county election office or motor vehicles office, or through an unregulated third party voter registration group, such as a campaign or advocacy organization (ACORN, Project Vote).
These are sent to election offices, where the data often are manually entered and names are added to the voter list. A voter must supply any change to that information, such as a new address, name, or party affiliation, which is usually manually entered and processed by election officials.
The study also identified:
Illegal alien voters
A study released by the conservative think-tank the Heritage Foundation provides proof that illegal aliens and immigrants with green cards are committing rampant voter fraud in the United States.
Reports of ineligible persons registering to vote have raised concerns about state processes for verifying voter registration lists. States usually base voter eligibility on the voter's age, US citizenship, mental competence, and felon status.
Although individual states run elections, Congress has authority to affect the administration of the elections. The Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA) had set a deadline for states to have a statewide voter registration list and list verification procedures, according to Heritage analysts.
For example, the methods used in seven selected states to verify voter eligibility and ensure accuracy of voter registration lists were varied and include relying on registrant self attestation, return mailings, and checking against lists of felony convictions or deceased individuals. Some states, for instance, failed to do any more than ask on their application forms if the registrant was a US citizen. The applicant will merely check off the "Yes" box, but there is no action taken to verify the authenticity of that answer.
"The voter registration officials simply take the word of the registrant with no follow-up," said conservative political strategist Michael Baker.
"Some states that require some backup documentation merely ask for a utility bill or a driver's license — neither of which prove citizenship. In other words, legal or illegal aliens can easily register to vote in local and national elections," warns Baker.
Indiana Secretary of State Charlie White -- the man charged with upholding election integrity in Indiana -- was convicted of six felonies on Saturday, including three counts of voter fraud, two counts of perjury and one count of theft.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57372176-503544/indiana-sec-of-state-convicted-of-voter-fraud/