"Bible Bunny"? I corrected you on your lack of credibility on biblical issues... But, I'm agnostic & not religious

This President has led us from "Bust to Recovery", ended the "Cold War" policies & closing Eruopean US Cold War bases as well as ending the war in Afghanistan..... Americans have more rights today than they did in 2007

The Patriot Act, The National Defense Authorization Act, The Enemy Expatriation Act, the Government Consolidation Act, The Consumer Financial Protection (Confiscation) Bureau are all NAILS IN THE COFFIN of our rights of life, our liberty and our pursuit of happiness and our Constitution, our Bill of Rights and our Declaration of Independence.

Call or write your Representatives and express your concern in regards to these Acts that are NAILS IN THE COFFIN and a threat of our rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Jeffrey,,, Knock it off dude, you've been debunked on those issues

Just wanna see Willard and Newt fight to the finish!

Obama is a war monger and a corporate bailout whore...Rom-Bama will be exactly the same person. They are both the choice of the global elite banking cartels. RON PAUL IS THE ONLY REAL GAME CHANGER!!!!!!!

... The Patriot Act, The National Defense Authorization Act, The Enemy Expatriation Act, the Government Consolidation Act, The Consumer Financial Protection (Confiscation) Bureau are all NAILS IN THE COFFIN of our rights of life,...

Funny - none of you conservatives had anything to say about any of those excesses, back when it could have meant something, curious - ain't it.

Stay the course... The foundations are stable, its only "minor correction" in the market.

Drop these babies off at the the door step in Crawford... GW... the DNA tests are in, "You are the Father"!

This president has addes trillions to our debt with no benefits for the common American citizen. He is arrogant and no more deserving to be in the White House than my golden retriever. Instead of tackling real issues like unemployment and the economy when he was first elected he chose to force America to accept a sub-par socialistic health care plan (which every analyst not on his payroll says will bankrupt this nation in no time) and pushed for his "gays in the military" agenda. And his followers wonder why the American people in the mid term election chose to take away the majority he enjoyed in the House and the Senate. Now those same idiots scream how he can not do anything thanks to the party of no. The reason power was taken away is because he proved to the citizens of this nation that he is too inept to be trusted with control; he is too motivated by personal acknowledgements and only worries about what is in it for him. I don't think it matters who the Republicans put in the race against him, he has angered so many Americans he has no chance of re-election. I am not a Republican by any measure, but I will be voting for the one opposing this worthless excuse for a president next November.

just as well vote for Donald Duck! Repubs and DEMS are our enemy.

Jim, They have not actually been debunked so Jeffrey has a point however:

Jeffrey, two things you listed are incorrectly declaired as 'poison' to our rights:

1. the consolidation act. Where do we have the constitutional right to make or remove Government agencies? And anyway this is exactly what the Right wants, to shrink the Government. The only reason they are against it know is because Obama is the one suggesting it, even though they want the Government to shrink. It is a partisan bullcrap talking point you are spweing here.

2. The consumer protection agency is neccesary, nothing else has to be said about that. Anyone that says otherwise is either blind or has a job in an industry that actively screws their customers over.

The other stuff you mentioned we DO need to worry about. But those are not Obama's bills, they came from the House/Senate. Obama was forced to sign them because they had 3/4ths or more of the vote in Congress and so his veto would be meaningless.

However all the rest of those bills are exactly as you say, an affront to our freedoms and as unconstitutional as all Hell. All Congress members involved with the drafting or vote for renewal of those bills should be stripped of their positions and thrown in jail for treason.

I love how when the President signs a law, it's his, even though he had Bi-partisan support. As a "Dem" I think those laws suck too, I think they steal our freedoms and I will defend my rights to my dying breath.

P.Obama is leading America to its darkest days of the Age of Enslavement by proliferating Class Warfare and povert

You need to cut the drama and look at the real statistics. He is turning the tide -even without the help of those Republican worms in Congress-

If you read different newspapers; and compare statistics instead of just listening to FOX, you would not have to be so anxious. If you continue in this path FOX will have you taking XANAX in not ime.

@the arm - you can throw your Glenn Beck prepared rant in the trash can. We've heard it before and it still smells like crap. If you haven't noticed, the economy is getting better despite your parties efforts to have that not happen. That's not good for your chances, so I wouldn't get too worked up about a change at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Trust - I agree with you. The NDAA had plenty of support from repubs and dems and it is very sad. We have been completely sold out by both parties. Obama could have taken a stand though, by opting to veto it. Even if he knew his veto would be overridden, he still would have been making a point on our behalf. I can't forgive him for being complicit in robbing us of our civil liberties.

Gary Johnson 2012

The Nevada Republican caucuses are just another indication of how deeply the Party of hate and bigotry has used lies, misinformation and racism to brainwashed so many under informed voters. All the TV ads broadcast here in Las Vegas have been so negative it makes a person sick seeing our political system dragged into the gutter by ALL the GOP candidates. If this never ending stream of lies, hate and division is any indication of what the GOP will do in August, September and October I think the American people will be so turned off that the Republican party will lose in a landslide and will be reduced to an “also ran” political party for the next twenty years.

Somebody said Jeffery up there has been Debunked?I believe the term was you've been debunked dude?

Anywho I think all of you have been debunked by OBabba !

Right on Jeffery and 4 more years of this Obama, the nails in the coffin you might well give this coiutry the Coupe de Grace!

These cheerleaders better wake the hell up because at the rate it's going their civil rights under this dictator are going to be CRAP!

Anyone accepting his style of government is a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER!

I have no feelings about Mitt Romney one way or the other. He tries very hard to be plain vanilla so that he can attempt to appeal to a broader range. That will only increase as the the primaries wind down. Newt on the other hand, is just embarrassing. He is either a blustering (but, I think secretly cowardly) bully, or he is a ridiculous drama queen parading and posturing in his role as the outsider victim. The things he says are as short on facts and more noticeably truth, as the craziness spouted by Sarah Palin almost 4 years ago or the distortions and lies that Rush peddles. That is not good company to keep, Newt. He seems to not know that his life is a public record and that everything he claims about himself or history can be checked in less than a minute. Maybe, he does know and just believes that he can convince enough silly people that all of the baggage he hauls around with him is a "liberal media conspiracy". He seems to me to be in need of a mental health intervention. I wonder if he well knows that he will not get the nod, or if he is really buys his own hyperbole.

This president has addes trillions to our debt with no benefits for the common American citizen. He is arrogant and no more deserving to be in the White House than my golden retriever.

Boy, that sounds exactly like George W. Bush!

Remember when Blacks voted for Obama they were accused of being racist by Reps (The Fringe Reps and a few too many of the rest of them as well) for voting for a Black man?

Funny I don't hear that same rant on here when Mormons are voting for a Mormon in droves...

Just saying'

Or could it be that the groups are voting for 'one of their own' because they feel a commonality of experience and share many of the same values? And the pointing by certain Reps a few years ago was just partisan crap and in many ways real racism? If you had asked e when I was growing up if I would have ever voted for a Black man, my response might have been "what is that"....see I was not raised to use that word...I was raised to use the 'N' word....thank god I go past my upbringing and the attitudes that were tight to me...now I see the man.

Obama is not perfect, but he is closer than anyone else running...and I fully expect Romney to do a "Palin' and pick an ultra righty to placate the extremists. He does that, and he is assured of losing. Of course the THird Party candidate will siphon from him as well. I fully expect that to be bat sh-t crazy Ron Paul running on the "Americans Elect" internet party. Paul has nothing to lose within the Rep Party as he is finished and will retire if he does not win (Or he is delusional and will never figure it out). Check that organization out, his cultist are already filling it and he has the most followers in it. It is there for him to run on and on the ballot in likely all the states. His platform is ready for the nutter to take it.

Progressives, get out and vote Democratic on November 6, 2012.

Romney is a corporate puppet.

He does not care about the American people.

Frankly my dear, I absolutely agree with you.

Have you seen the exit polls lately, liberals are voting for Romney. Do you know why this is? This is because Romney is the only candidate that can lose to President Obama. The only reason Romney is getting a guaranteed 20 to 25% is because all the Mormons that are voting for him. The other 20 to 25% are mostly liberals voting. Wake up everyone, mark my words, if Romney wins, Obama will get another four years. It’s your choice. I original knew President Obama was going to screw stuff up when he was elected. I even posted a blog of fifteen predictions that would happen if Obama was elected. Fourteen of my fifteen predictions were correct. I am still waiting for the last one (War with Iran).

Well, so much "to do" over something that was expected anyway....

All you've got to do is "LOOK" at Mitt, he scares the HELL out of me! On the other hand Obama looks Presidential!!!

As for the polices both have to offer, ANOTHER SIMPLE CHOICE. Either your a Teabagger and want the Poor and Middle-class to continue it's errosion while letting the elite gain even more and more, OR your a Liberal (does that word scare some of you?) and want this country to work together to help EVERYONE out of this hole, the last GOP Prez left us in!

Obama has done a terrific job, keeping this economy from completely TANKING, while making progress, inching our way out of the "Ditch" we were in, when he took office. He's done it with Dignity and Grace, against all odds of a Congress working against him, instead of trying to help him.

If the Teapublicans just would have worked with him, think of how much better off we'd all be! The constant No, No, No from the "other" side has held America back! Looking back at all the battles over the budget, the lowering of S&P rating AND the lowest ever rating of Congress, it's amazing the GOP can show their face in public! I'd be ashamed to say I was a GOP member of congress. It's hard to believe anyone would even cast a VOTE, for these people!

But a candidate we'll have and the Teapublicans will have their 15 min of stardom. Patting each other on the back and Horahs, Horahs....But the real battle begins, the second that nomination is made and, what a Battle that'll be. After a year of beating each other over the heads, digging up all the dirt on each other they could find. The GOP candidate is going to have another uphill battle.

They one thing I am thankful for is that McLame and Palin didn't get in office. I think the GOP let them run because they KNEW they couldn't win, first off! The economy was going to tank, and they KNEW it! They wanted a Democrat to win and have to deal with this mess so they could BLAME him/her for it.

Well, Obama did GREAT. Fought tooth and nail and kept this economy from completely tanking. Yes he's made his mistakes along the way, but also along the way, Got us out of one of and the Wars the GOP started, Got our troops out of Iraq, Repealed "DADT" and Passed HCR!!!

That is not all, but one hell of a lot more than the 8 previous years of the GOP rule!

Jim-372206This President has led us from "Bust to Recovery", ended the "Cold War" policies & closing Eruopean US Cold War bases as well as ending the war in Afghanistan..... Americans have more rights today than they did in 2007

Jim, if you haven't noticed yet we are far away from recovery. Gas prices still far above the average, foreclosures still on the rise and unemployment is still above the 8% he promised we wouldn't get to in the first place.

Pres Obama hasn't closed any bases in Europe or Asia or for that fact even propose it to congress. Oh there are talks about it coming from special interest groups & Congress since we are broke, but not one Military base has been closed under this administration. In fact, new bases were built in Germany even though some Army Generals tried to stop the construction. Sens. Jon Tester, D-Mont., and Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas introduced legislation back in Oct 2011 to create a commission to "look at" closures, but that has gone no where. Last time any bases were closed was under Bush in 2005 and in 2005 the BRAC Commission recommended that Congress authorize another BRAC round in 2015, and then every 8 years thereafter.

The Afganistan War was slated to end in 2014, under Bush & the various commanders, Pres Obama is just following the policies that Bush put into place and he is removing the 30,000 "surge" troops he put in. President Obama's decision only brings the limited 'no boots on the ground/special forces/air power etc approach of the Bush presidency in 2002-03.

Romney=Obama, Obama=Romney, Obama + Romney= Bush

The Fed must be ended to end the warfare/welfare state. The only choice is Ron Paul if you want something different.

Frankly True

Or could it be that the groups are voting for 'one of their own' because they feel a commonality of experience and share many of the same values?

While I don't agree with any of what you said, I do question this part also. Is it why Harry Reid keeps getting elected?

The President actually considered vetoing the NDAA, but not because it restricts our rights and tramples on the constitution. He didn't want to sign it because Congress amended it and removed some of the power it would've granted the President.

That's right. HE WANTED MORE POWER TO TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS!

I'm neither Republican or Democrat, and never plan to be either, but I don't want that much power in one man's (or woman's) hands, regardless of which party they claim to be from. I consider myself to be more conservative, but I'm very jealous of my civil rights. Some may say there's no conflict, but I still feel I'm best not throwing my hat in with one group or another. Seems that people in political parties give away their ability to think straight.

If the sitting president had been a Republican there would be so much screaming from the left about some of the crap he's pulled it isn't even funny. In fact, there was, just about 4-5 years ago. Bush did some stupid financial crap that Obama just continued, DRIVING US FURTHER INTO THE RECESSION.

President Obama thinks you can spend your way out of a recession, or a depression, just like FDR did. Well, FDR also was using the war chest to buy stuff that was being produced, not on pie in the sky that never actually came to fruition, and to employ many thousands of armed forces to fight a war. People that stayed home because they couldn't serve in the military had the jobs that the soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen left, and sadly, many of them kept those jobs because so many of our boys didn't make it home. The current wars aren't like that, thankfully, and I don't think anybody wants another war like that.

The stimulus bill actually didn't help. POTUS even admits that "those shovel-ready jobs weren't as shovel-ready as I thought". What he did was line the pockets of those that helped get him elected (Unions, Donation bundlers). Unemployment actually rose a couple of percentage points, and I'm not talking about the .4% that it has come down in the two months over the holidays that everyone is crowing about being a "recovery". I'm talking going from 7% to almost 10% unemployment (and that's if you don't count the people who've been looking for so long that they no longer receive benefits, or have gotten so discouraged that they've stopped looking).

I actually went looking for a new job during this time. I work as a pizza delivery driver, and at the time I was only getting between 12-18 hours on the schedule per week, so I was severely underemployed. Even with my wife's paycheck we were having a hard time making ends meet (We still have bill collectors calling from how far behind we got during this rough patch), so I wanted to find something more stable, with a more predictable income, and more hours. I went to a local grocery store that was opening a new store. Got a second interview! They found out I already had a job that gave me more than 11 hours a week. I immediately got a handshake and a "We'll let you know", but I never heard anything back. I found out why. The stimulus bill (President Obama's baby) gave money to employers who hired people that were unemployed or were working 11 hours or less per week, and this employer (and I found out just about every other employer) was taking advantage of it.

Well, I'm still delivering pizza. Am I bitter? Gee, why should I be bitter? Just because the President's ideas are ridiculous, and actually kept me in a dead end job that doesn't pay nearly enough?

Oh, yeah! And since everyone else is feeling the pinch of the recession, people aren't ordering pizza as much, and tips aren't very good for the same reason.

Is the recession Bush's fault? I think there was more to blame than just President Bush, but whatever. I can still remember the economy under Carter (Stagflation, The Misery Index, gas rationing). My family wasn't rich, and we got a little less-so. It was no surprise that people decided enough was enough and elected Ronald Reagan. He never said "It's all Carter's fault", he just worked with the Democratically controlled Congress and got stuff done. Weird! And you know what? After 3 years of Reagan in office, the economy was actually better, not just starting to show the first glimmer of a turnaround.

So Democrats and Republicans- WAKE UP! Quit arguing! Take the blinders off! Stop defending your guy blindly! There's more than enough blame to go around. Look at it from the other perspective. Think to yourselves, "If the person in office was of the other party, how would I feel about his/her performance?" (PS. This works for all your elected representatives.)

This election is no longer about Right/Left it is quickly becomming a race about our freedom or enslavement. Obama wants our liberties removed to further his agenda. Romney is too liberal for most of the right. ( a product of the establishmnet )

PEOPLE OUR WAY OF LIFE IS BEING THREATENED RIGHT IN FRONT OF OUR EYES. Are all of you so blinded by hatred of the opposition to see that?

Ron Paul wants to live in the past, Gringrich wants to live on the moon, Romney wants to live in the White House, none of which will ever happen!

OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!

These armchair economists who probably never took an econ course in their life, and surely not the barrage of econ courses required for any financial degree, yet has all the answers. What a joke. I doubt if most know what conditions defines a recession and what GDP actual consist of.

First, in black and white, many European newspapers and periodicals are sighting that the conservative fiscal policies implemented via austerity measures (debt reduction) have resulted in anemic or zero growth in their GDP and soaring unemployment rates.

Next, have you ever read about the Japanese lost decade, the last major financial recession since the depression, which took about 10 years before they started to show significant growth? Where we are now economicaly is short of a miracle.

Next, to attack the 80s recession which was not nearly as bad as this one, Reagan doubled the budget and deficit and had a tax rate up to 50% on the rich and raised corporate taxes. Moreover, Reagan didnt have to deal with a situation where jobs and equity are mobile than ever due to massive globalization expansion. Actually, Reagan's unemployment rate at this time was about the same as now although his GDP was greater, but was cut in half a couple of years later. Guess Why? Now, our current GDP growth is not far from what is was during the Bush administration, whose highest rate was only 3.6% for one year (2004) with a study decline of that rate after.

There is theory and fact. Only a foolish man evaluates the world around him via political rhetoric instead of facts.

All depends on which Romney you listen to Jeffrey,, The one who is demanding more war, or the one who said Obama's foreign polices work

Paul, is closer to what Obama is doing on many issues & even he has told you that "Sharia Law" garbage is silly nonsense

Enough with the "Birther" crap dude, you only show your total ignorance & lack of responsibility or patriotism as an American citizen

Obama has admitted that he was born in Kenya. He is an imposter.

The people in Egypt that are being slaughtered will tell you what they think of Sharia Law.

Then move to Egypt Jeffrey, it ain't gonna happen here.... Who do you get your news from Glenn Beck? So far all you've showed us your total & deliberate ignorance on every issue

Read the Writing on the Wall and the meaning between the lines Bugs Bunny.

Common sense is not so common. To figure out what is true add up the things that make sense and subtract the things that do not make sense.

After adding it all up Jeffrey,,,, You still don't make sense

It takes two to make one because it took two whole people to make each one of us. That includes you too Bugs Bunny.

1+1=1 After you master this Bugs Bunny than try adding the things that make sense and subtract the things that don't make sense and you will find the truth.

thanks Jim for your persistance in trying to educate those who do not wish to learn.

The crazies are still out there!

Jeffrey D Park:

Your information is 100 percent completely wrong! Mitt Romney's mother and father were both United States Citizens. Where they live in the world is no matter according to the law. For example State Dept officials stationed over seas who have a child in England, the Philippines or Brazil, have a child who is a citizen of the U.S. based on his or hers parents status. Works for the military and all of us regular citizens. Again your point is 100 percent just plain wrong!

@Jeffrey D Parks

"Obama has admitted that he was born in Kenya. He is an imposter."

Could you please cite your source for this "revelation" -- I must have missed it. By the way, a CREDIBLE source please (not Faux "News", Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, etc.)

"Common sense is not so common. To figure out what is true add up the things that make sense and subtract the things that do not make sense."

Do YOU even know what this means? No offense, but your post doesn't make ANY sense (common OR otherwise). I'll give you one thing...you definitely talk and think like a republiCLOWN.

"Obama gets his policies from the Romney camp. In public they appear to be against each other but in private they are planning for the New World Order. In the NWO we the people will lose all of rights of freedom as Citizens and become Subjects (SLAVES) in the New World Order."

Dude, you seriously need to turn off Faux "News" -- I am afraid you are about to OD on the kool-aid they are serving!

"Obama has admitted that he was born in Kenya."

If that were true he would not be President. Honestly, do you guys even think?

Jeffrey, tell it to the John Birch Society. Maybe they're crazy enough to believe it.

You're kidding aren't you?

Obama has admitted that he was born in Kenya. He is an imposter.

Jeffrey, that turtle has left the barn. Perhaps you should get a television so that you can keep up - your sources of "news" seem to be several years behind.

When Obama was running for Senate in Chicago he also admitted that he was born in Kenya.

You have stop believing the lies that you see and hear on TV these days. Lame stream media is bought and paid for. They are not allowed to tell you the truth even if their life depended on it.

The truth shall set you free.

Sharia Law and the lies will keep you on a ball and chain.

Sorry to say this, but the comments posted by "Jeffrey D Parks" remind me of the not only ignorant but also lunatic uncle who is suffering from obstinate defiant disorder.

I don't watch TV. I don't want a TV.

Ummm, you don't need a tv to get access to Fox News. Just need to be connected to the internet. Or, are you going to deny that too?

When Obama was running for Senate in Chicago he also admitted that he was born in Kenya.

Really??? Please provide proof of that, please. Me thinks if that was the case, the Right side would've exploded with joy that the person they hate the most was actually in violation. Face it, you guys have tried every little rotten trick in the book to smear this President and so far you've come up empty. Why not try working with him to make America the nation it once was and can be again

Jeffrey, you're an @$$%. Say, where were you born in a park - go live in Amazone jungle, that is a nice park.

Our government and the people that control them are working towards the New World Order.

Open your eyes and see the light.

The "New World Order" is really the "Old Moon Chaos" or the "Old World Chaos".

Damn ... I love smoking weed and reading the thread...just to get a nice little giggle.

Good Christ! Jeffrey D (Dipstick) Parks you won 1st prize for fool of the day.

Please keep posting. You really make me laugh. :)

I just watched the YouTube video that Jeffrey's referring to, and guess what...IT'S A FAKE!!!! If you watch Obama's mouth as he speaks, you can clearly see his mouth moving out of sync with the audio and his lips aren't forming the words he's "saying". Sorry Jeffrey, but you've been had. But nice try though, using technology to edit Obama's speech to make it appear he's admitting to something you want to believe.

I think Jeffery is smoking SOMETHING way stronger than weed! Or at least I HOPE he is just high and not speaking from a position of uninformed, biggoted racism.

Come to think of it, I think I know Jeffery! Jeffery, are you that dirty, beardy guy with the rat-infested hair who is always standing on the street corner with the sign that says "The End is Near"?

BTW, what the hell is "Old Moon Chaos"? You must be really batsh!t crazy because I googled that phrase and for the first time in the history of "the google" NOTHING shows up!

Jeffrey, your an embarrassment to Republicans/Tea Party and that's saying a lot. At least most of them have moved past the "birther" issue and, yet, you're still working that tired old angle.

Jeffery,

So you don't own or watch a tv and yet you sound just like this show called Decoded... Either you made that show to brain wash others or that show has found a way to transmit wirelessly to people like you.

Some people are a waste of a brain yet they deserve to live. *Sigh* Can't you put your brain to better use other than conspiracy theories? They might be fun but there is a point where they become annoying. Yeah, if this supposed "Blue Beam Project" never occurred, then I doubt there is gonna be a NWO. Oh wait it's the UN, so scared....

Google wasn't around during the "Old Moon Chaos" or more commonly referred to as the "Old World Chaos".

Google will have update their information and catch up with the times.

I am a time traveler sent back in time from the future to save America from the "Age of Enslavement"

Jeffrey D Parks - After reading all of your posts, It appears I am on my way to being 10% dumber than I was before. Imaging how much dumber I might be if your comments were actually right? Since you seem to say Obama was born in Kenya, could you please post some proof about it?

This is all the proof I need:

www.slideshare.net/whitehouse/birth-certificatelongform

Since you are also so well versed in politics and probably have a glowing resume, please run for President as well.

Most the craziest stuff is found on talk radio, so, no television needed.

You need to do your home work before you come to class. It won't do you any good if someone else does the work for you.

Jeffery, you are totally insane. Sorry.

To even attempt to debunk your idiotic statements would be to give them any level of credibility.

I mean, DAMN...

Jeffrey speaks the Palin Bachman mantra as well as I've ever heard it spoken. Well done Jeffrey, you are a credit to your group.

I always wondered who in the world would vote for Palin or Bachmann...well I see Palin's one and only supporter here named Jeff. This is what happens when the psych ward patients refuse to take their meds.

Jeffrey, you don't need to make up history and facts. Obama was born in Hawaii and Romney in Michigan. Where do you get this ridiculousness?

Jim!!!

I would vote for Bugs Bunny and even Jimmy Carter before I would vote for Obama. Jim, you need to lay off the cool-aid.

Well, a recent large scale and long term study was published in the Phychology Science Journal which disclosed there is a correlation between low IQ, racism, prejudice, and conservatism. The boarder part of the study was done in the UK along with analysis from data gathered in the United States. This explains a heck of a lot to me because I am constanly in awe about how naive rwnuts are. They want Romney, who is clearly part of the ole boy's club that created the financial mess we are currently dealing with, to be president of the United States.

Romney brags about the 2 retail establishments he helped grow to sell crap made in China, but not equity building businesses with wide ranging mass production and distribution potential to help the US gain sustainable economic growth. Oh I forgot, Romney closed those type of businesses and helped give part of our economy and sovereignty to China. I use to think it's just impossible for people to be that stupid, and now, I understand after reading the study

Note: Brian Nosek, a social and cognitive psychologist at the University of Virginia who was not involved in the study said, . "I think that lower cognitive capacity can lead to multiple simple ways to represent the world, and one of those can be embodied in a right-wing ideology where 'People I don't know are threats' and 'The world is a dangerous place'.

That was a great study and could not be declared biased due to who and where it was done. Great point.

Goes down to who spent the most money in Nevada & who had the better campaign strategy, if I'm not mistaken that would be Romney & Paul,, Follow Romney's money & it leads to the worst of the same corrupt market that broke our economy

"Follow the Money"

Larry nc 2418660

Lets see you saw a listing of the wealthiest politicans in the U.S house and Senate and call Romney and Huntsman two of the wealthiest 5? No I do believe you blew this one. Neither are in this body of leadership. So the comparison is only relevant to 535 politicans not to all. There are plenty with a lot of money. Oh by the way being wealthy is not evil!If Romney is not eligible by wealth why have you not spoken out about removing John Kerry, The Kennedys, the Rockefellers, Michael Bloomberg, Diane Fienstein and Nancy Pelosi(who's husband is being investigated for insider trading from info she could have been privay too)? Why have you not spoken out against them and just Romney? Other motives maybe?

I can assure you as well that Joseph Smith died in 1844. Your comment is made in ignorance or hatred toward anyone Mormon? If that is the case your got!

Jim 372206: What proof do you have for your claim? Are you an expert on Romney's businesses and investments? What is your background of expertice to make these accusations? Or are you just repeating what you have heard by others? Like a parrot or any news station?

Can't understand most democrats, obama embraces billionaire Warren Buffet and his questionable

deals, while they oppose Romney who has considerable less money than Buffet, and has given over

15% of his money to charities and the poor. Looks like democrats pretend to be for fairness, while

clinging tightly to a double standard. The democrats honesty is questionable with people like Soros

and Buffet are their heros.

you mean 5 percent to charities. 10 percent went to the mormon church. Thats not charity in most peoples eyes its tithing. Also Romney and Obama are the same. Why vote for a person who believes in the same ideas.

A church is considered a charitable source. You can deduct on your taxes any charitable denotation, whether it is a church donation or a different organization. Where are the facts that Obama and Romney are the same?

Nothing against mormons, they do what they do. But the mormon church is the richest church in the U.S. Hardly a charity in that regard. Also not a charity when you are required to tithe to avoid excommunication.

I keep seeing these posts saying that Romney gave 15% to charity. A church is NOT a charity. They may do charitable work, but I'm sorry, church is not a charity.

"Later Day" Saints

Wrong. 10% to church, 15 to govt. By the way, Joseph Smith is long dead.

Oh my GOODness!...Jim, Larry, and Jeffery are getting their comments collapsed......guess people are getting tired of the "rantings of mad-men".....LOL

5% to other charities

You dont pay tithes to Joseph Smith, its paid to the Lord. Just as others pay offerings to their church.

We all know that Barrack Hussein Obama is the Anti-Christ and needs to be dealt with in the November Election

You do not pay tithes to Joseph Smith you pay them to the Lord ok almost acceptable but then others pay offerings to the church? So Mormons pay God and everyone else pays a church. Now that is a topic I would argue.

How do you pay tythes to the Lord, does He have a PO drop box?

I will say that the IRS has proven that the LDS church is the only one where no one is paid in the preaching of the gospel of Christ! Really! The bishops and stake presidents all have regular fulltime jobs in all professions. Maybe that's what "paid" ministers really have against Mormons....lost revenue! I think I'm beginning to see why so-called Christians are bashing their "fellow-Christians" of the LDS faith....hmmmm

So the only hope for the republican party is the guy who couldn't beat John McCain 4 years ago.

Think voter fraud.

The problem here is that you cannot trust the numbers, like these: ...released earlier this week found Romney, at 45 percent, topping the Republican field in Nevada, followed by Gingrich at 25 percent, former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum at 11 percent and Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 9 percent.

How many of you remember that Newt "won" SC? More importantly how many of you remember that Newt cancelled his "speeches" there because NO ONE WAS SHOWING UP? Yet, Ron Paul had well over 1000 showing up for his. Then, they announced Newt "won" when no one even wanted to listen to him? Then they discovered that there were many discrepancies in the voting there.

If you depend on these numbers, if you don't scream for a lawful vote, with ZERO discrepancies, you will get more voter fraud. The person elected will NOT be who we want, it will be the person(s), whoever is behind this voter fraud wants in OUR presidential office.

You want more corruptness in our government, or do you want it to stop NOW?

Don't worry about Obama, he will be arrested soon. The next thing after that will be NO MORE political parties, just candidates running for office.

We do know we do not want anyone who had been involved in running the last few elections because they are not honest, nor is the machines they use honest, nor is the people they use honest, nor is the software honest.

Plus it won't hurt for all main media to register, and put in a very conspicuous place, (be it news in print or on TV, etc) whoever calls the "shots" for that agency, owns it, sponsors it, decides what can be put out as news, what area of importance in the news it gets, etc. so that people know who it is slanted for if not down right supporting them and their views.

I am sure that people in Las Vegas are making bets to see who will be the "winner" of tonight's caucases. Who really cares? They only care about winning the money.

Just like the candidates. They only care to win to get the money from you. Either one is garbage

Obama/biden 2012

The housing market in Nevada was fueled by three things:

1) Folks that should have never qualified for loans to begin with

2) Investors trying flip houses

3) Greedy mortgage bankers backing those in 1 & 2 above

With the housing inventory, it could take 10 - 15 years for full recovery.

"i'm not concerned about the very poor" then his say's he misspoke,,,,listen what comes out the mouth is what comes out of the heart...the only reason his running is cause all his rich friends want to go back to the good all days of stealing from the poor and laughing at them,i'll stay with obama all the way,, and thats coming from a ex- republican

i've seen the hate they have for obama and all because obama is black

i say the hell with the republicans

I think you should take your own advice.

He didn't misspeak: he was jumped on for a single sentence out of a complete thought. He didn't say he wasn't concerned about the very poor, he said he wasn't concerned about the very poor, who have a safety net. They DO have a safety net: it's called the middle class, who's taxes pay for welfare, food stamps and free housing. Don't forget the medical card, too.

Funny that no one jumped him for "not being concerned about the rich." Not a word about what he ment to say about the middle of the road classes out there needing to be his main concern. Not a word: but then the news media make it clear what side they are always on, don't they? In every news report they present.

Nobody is going to save the housing market in Nevada. Too many poor people were qualified for mortgages and builders and real estate people took advantage. Hate the builders, appraisers and real estate people, not the politicians.

unhappy in tampa- hehehe-good one.

And usa1967-it doesn't matter if he were pink with purple polka dots-it's his abysmal presidency on the way out. Too bad the liberals (as you pointed out) can't realize that.

The bottom line being that it really doesn't matter who the republicans bring out. They themselves brought this country as well as the rest of the world's economy to ruin themselves and have done absolutely nothing during the past three years except for tell how great they did for 8 years and how well they made the economy.

Oh wait, the republicans claim they took the unemployment level from a fast rising 7.6% to a low 3.4%. They brought world peace. They helped create a healthcare program that works for everyone. They took a 10.6 plus trillion dollar deficit and lowered it to a surplus. They have compromised every step of the way and tried to stop the liberals from attaching huge deductions and tax breaks for the rich to any and all bills housed by the house controlled liberals and have done everything they could for the middle and lower classes and have been stopped at every turn by the liberals.

Right now the liberals have spoken about how they want to destroy the economy by wiping out the EPA and the liberals plan on forcing americans to work for 2$ an hour after they wipe out OSHA. The liberals have told how americans should simply crawl off and die if they cannot afford healthcare and the liberals have declared their intentions of wiping out public education so that only their rich backers can afford to educate their children.

With all this and so much more being planned by the liberals, how could anyone even consider voting for one of those liberals that have nothing but self greed and do nothing more than want to cripple the largest chunk of society simply so they can get away with workplace harassments, low to no wages, and save from having to pay into healthcare, social security, workers comp and unemployment taxes.

Kline,

Voter fraud in South Carolina in Newts favor? I suppose SC does have a pretty big poor Black population and based on all the laws being pushed through by Republicans, it seems they tend to be viewed as the primary culprits.

You are somehow surprised that Newt's far right anti-Obama rhetoric would appeal to SC Republicans? You've obviously never been there. These guys still fly the Rebel Flag on their State House! Now maybe a lot of them didn't want to be seen at his rallies, but don't think that reflects how they were going to vote. Gingrich is very much a good old Southern boy even though he doesn't give that away with his voice, but listen to what he says.

But none of this matters much because none of these candidates has what it takes to beat President Obama. But then I guess they won't have to from your perspective because of Obama's upcoming arrest?? Please share, I don't think most of us have heard about that one.

Within 6 months after that socialist left wing Obama is kick out of Office.

It's really interesting that Den1953 started this thread off with charging the republicans with bringing back the housing market in Nevada and bringing prosperity to the nation. This is interesting on two levels.

1. Why is it only the republicans that are looked up to fix the country? I am assuming Den is trying to slam the republicans with this charge. Interesting that people on the left only look to the republicans to fix things. I think they forget the other large party has any usefulness.

2. What ever happened to the democrats fixing things? Where are their ideas? So far all we see is increasing the debt and running deficits beyond imagination. This seems to be their only solution... other than saddling the American people and businesses with more regulations and more restrictions.

Where's Obama's ideas? Better yet, where are his implemented ideas for fixing the economy, housing and employment? We get a lot of rhetoric and speeches, but he is short on results... and the liberals have the nerve to ask where the republicans are in all this....

TNTTony - You are voting for Rosanne Barr? Say it isn't so... please

To all you people hating on Obama and the democrats, just think if we all spent the last 4 years under another Bush-type conservative. We'd probably be in far more conflicts than we are now (Iran, China, etc) and they'd probably just keep milking the lower classes for far more than they're worth. You all need to seriously stop hating on Obama from an economic standpoint, and start looking at other topics (Security, foreign policy) where he clearly and utterly whips all competition.

Really, and anyone trust Obama? Obama went to Reverand Wright's church aproximately 17 years where this so called Reverand gives speeches damming America? When Obama gets called on it, Obama either stops going to chruch or goes to another church... Talk about a flipflopper. Going on 4 years later, how is that HOPE & CHANGE working for YOU.

Hello TNTony7, as a registered democrat who will vote for Ron Paul when the nomination is secured I agree with you. If americans were honest and truthful they would take time to listen to all the trash that is spoken just to get your vote to put the into a position of further wealth. Ron Paul is the only candidate who stands steadfast with the constitution of this great nation, once great anyway. All I have been asking is for people to not get caught up in the hype and listen to what is being said (most of which is just a repeat), this is not a basketball game, maybe a basket case when this is all said and done. Listen to what Ron Paul is saying. Stop playing into those old sayings that a president cannot make change because I think they have stereotyped sayings and most have believed it. Stop and know that your president with your help can make change and I don't mean the change that Obama gave you, the change is Ron Paul.

Hell is precisely where we've ended up under liberal rule.....time that we adults to clean up the mess you children have made....

Oh, isn't that just rich. I can think of another TexSon who didn't feel compelled to pay for any of the big ticket items he bought OR clean up the near recession he caused with his carelessness before rushing out of office and disappearing into his gated community.

Lman - the first error in your post is calling Bush a conservative. Bush wasn't a conservative. At best he was a moderate with a liberal view of economics and he wasn't a social conservative either. You haven't seen a conservative in the White House since Ronald Reagan.

Obama is only being bashed according to his record... something he can't even run on to win reelection. If you think Obama's been doing a good job... it might be time to open up your eyes.

BB,

Any breakdown of the numbers yet, besides the fact Romney won?

And I'm fed up with the elite 1% paying 14% down to nothing for their IRS Taxes just like Romney. He has no idea of what it is to be middle class or an ordinary person. We already know he doesn't care about the poor. He lose in the end!!

Tejonhijo: "Foul language always gets flushed....Not on MSNBC.....but, on other respectable sites..."

OK. So YOUR 'team' is the gops. THEIR 'team' is the dems. You've got to beat the dems no matter what, even if it means the death of America because you have been diverted from the real issue here which is NOT government but who owns our government. The gops and dems are identical in all practical ways. If WE owned our own government, we, The People, would have no problem with it. The real "teams" here are 'us' and 'them' where 'them' is our rapacious deranged elite. It is literally, and has been always, us against them. They live entirely off of our work and contribute nothing. They are the largest, most integrated, and stunningly expensive entitlement group that we support, well outdistancing all the old and infirm and mentally damaged together.

And they are not 'Americans' in their own minds. They are just the rich. They are the same parasite that grows up in all human societies and eventually destoys its own host. Unless the host resorbs it first, and poops it out.

Tejonhijo, you need to grow a bit more and lose the gop affiliation and try on the guise of an American instead. Your country, all of us, is in trouble right now and we need to do more than cheer the same evil team by different names. We have to understand that it is America against its criminal elite. By human standards, by American standards, "business ethics" as practiced here is a deep and twisted pathology directly mirroring the sociopathy and outright psychopathy of our elite relative to us. They prey on you, they prey on me, they prey on all of us. We need to remove them completely and all memory of them. They are our, literally, mortal enemy. I have sworn an Oath to protect the [People] of the United States from all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC. I was trained to identify my enemy and then do all in my power to destroy them with the same attitude as a physician treating cancer. If you have a better way, show me.

We must forget the artificial political 'team loyalties' and all become Americans as our primary identity. Then we will be able to cooperate again instead of looking for competition against whom we can pretend to ourselves that we are witty, and once again just rotate in little circles doing what we have been programmed to do, diverting our attention while they rob us even blinder. Start by reading history. Look up the quotation "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes its laws." and follow it. Your own little intellectual rabbit hole. Or keep sucking on the red and blue pills hoping that something will somehow change more toward the America of myth while you sleep.

Equality, Fraternity, Liberty. Freedom, equality, and brotherhood. We are not the only ones, but we are the most experimental and, currently, the experiment is failing. Celebrating this or that political party while America is being destroyed by its deranged parasite which owns almost all of said parties seems much less than politically mature. ¿Don'tchathink, Tejonhijo? And, speaking of foul obnoxious language as you objected to above, why are 'execution', 'state murder', and 'texas' still synonymous?

phancy - nope... at this point, I really don't care. The establishment republicans want Romney... he's mega rich so he's probably going to win it.

Independent thinker - I have an idea.. let's line up all the 1%er's and flog them with a 2X4... K? If that makes you feel better...

We won the Civil War. Romney has no chance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXqqw-gQqzo

Progressives, get out and vote Democratic on November 6, 2012.

Romney is a corporate puppet.

He does not care about the American people

You know, I have read everyone's comments and have come to the conclusion if all of you are the best this country has to offer, we are in real trouble. Dems hate and bash the GOP (name calling included) and the GOP returns the favor. Rep. Allan West wants all Dems to get out of the US. Personally, I wish all you fanatics would get the gift of common sense, decency - or leave. Those of us in the middle - well, all of your rhetoric is infantile and pathetic.

Have a nice evening!

It does get old... phancy. There's nothing worse than moxie without any backup. Hope you have a great rest of your evening... nite.

LOL......no need to wait for the Obama mania media to come out with headlines next week. Here they are in a nutshell:

• "OBAMA CAMP CONTINUES TO ATTACK REPUBLICANS ROMNEY"

There, I covered the entire month for MSNDC.

Too bad we are going to get plastered with attack ads when Mr. Obama hasn't a leg to stand on with his FAILED Domestic and International agendas.

Why can't we just judge the president on his performance in office just like every other president who has been there? I would so much rather see him and everyone else just as people rather than as people identified by their race-that just complicates and confuses everything. Yet I'm not allowed to do that-the president's race is constantly thrown in my face every time criticism of any type is given. Why is that? Why is it that the very people who complain about racism are the ones who keep throwing race in my face when I'd much rather see people of all races as just regular people identified by their names and who they are?

Say no to slavery in all its forms, even corporate slavery. Slave-master Romney, you Sir, are on notice. We fight, and we fight hard. Surrender or die. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5uxQElYu68&feature=related

Mitt win is a win for wall street and big banks

Phine, @5.31

HEAR, HEAR!!!

Like a junior high school debating club without a moderator, Like a grade school finger pointing contest.

One half like little children throwing mud at the wall hoping something will stick and when it does calling it artwork and claiming they accomplished something, the other half playing wall and don't know any better than to stand there and let themselves get hit!

The real silly thing about it, they are all trying to play wall and mud thrower at the same time and 100% of them switch hit!

One of these days they will grow up, we can hope.....

Have a nice day!

seen too much....."Why can't we just judge the president on his performance...."

I agree !!! Why doesn't Mr. Obama mention all his FAILED agenda ?

Stimulus #1, Omnibus, Cash for Clunkers, Cash for Appliances, Weatherization Program, Solyndra, Fast and Furious, Geothermal plant in Nevada, Electric Vehicle in Finland, Jobs Czar (CEO GE) shipping jobs to China, No Troops on the Ground in Libya, throw Israel under the bus, etc., etc., etc.

Nah, Mr. Obama won't do that.....it would be to indictative of his FAILED performance.

You right wing dings really need to wake up from the FAUX news hypnosis! It is so pathetic to see you rant baseless accusations!

I'm reposting this article, because here is another proof of the vile Corps stringing the GOP party.

Koch Brothers, Allies Pledge $100 Million At Private Meeting To Beat Obama

WASHINGTON -- At a private three-day retreat in California last weekend, conservative billionaires Charles and David Koch and about 250 to 300 other individuals pledged approximately $100 million to defeat President Obama in the 2012 elections.

A source who was in the room when the pledges were made told The Huffington Post that, specifically, Charles Koch pledged $40 million and David pledged $20 million.

The semi-annual, invitation-only meeting attracts wealthy donors, Republican politicians and conservative activists. Last year, hundreds of activists gathered outside the walled-off resort to protest the meeting. This year, however, the conference went off quietly.

"Conference organizers and their guests successfully slipped in and out of the Coachella Valley without being detected, by buying out nearly all of the 500-plus rooms at the Renaissance Esmeralda resort in Indian Wells," reported The Desert Sun. "The resort closed its restaurants, locked down the grounds with private security guards and sent many workers home."

This is the ninth straight year the Kochs have hosted the conference. As Politico reported last year, the meetings often adjourn "after soliciting pledges of support from the donors -- sometimes totaling as much as $50 million -- to nonprofit groups favored by the Kochs."

The fact that the wealthy conservative donors pledged $100 million for the 2012 elections shows how intent they are on trying to get Obama out of office -- and previews how intense, and likely nasty, the general election will be.

There are limits on how much an individual can give to a political candidate. Therefore, much of the money pledged at the recent gathering will likely go to super PACs or nonprofits that can spend and accept unlimited amounts of funds. GOP primary voters have already gotten a glimpse of how the political system looks with super PACs around: record amounts of money spent on a large number of negative ads in the early primary states.

The source told The Huffington Post that they lamented the direction the conference has taken over the years. They said it used to be about "conservative strategy" and building a movement, but now it was mostly an "alpha male" spectacle focused on fundraising to beat Obama.

The Koch brothers have been the major donors behind many Republican candidates, the Tea Party movement and efforts to discredit the science around man-made global warming. Democrats frequently highlight the brothers to fundraise, and the first TV ad of the Obama reelection campaign invoked them as "secretive oil billionaires attacking President Obama with ads fact checkers say are not tethered to the facts."

Also at the conference was Ken Griffin, founder and CEO of the Citadel Investment Group. He supported Obama in 2008, leading his employees to contribute more than $205,000 to the campaign. By the time of the election, however, he had switched his allegiance to Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). Since the election, he has openly discussed his "frustration" with Obama's policies, stating that he is "greatly concerned about the fiscal instability of the U.S." In the fourth quarter of 2011, Citadel employees completely abandoned Obama, contributing nothing to his campaign while giving $120,500 to presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

The Center for Public Integrity also reported that for the first time, Las Vegas casino billionaire Sheldon Adelson attended the conference. Adelson and his family are largely bankrolling Newt Gingrich's presidential run, with Adelson and his wife, Miriam, having given the pro-Gingrich super PAC Winning Our Future $10 million just this year.

Koch Industries did not return a request for comment.

Yep Brianb-999431 and Reagan managed to increase the National Debt by 190% and yet conservatives hail him as a hero.. "Dueling Debt Deceptions" - for some Fact CHECKED information.

Big Paul:

Most of the Las Vegas transplants from other parts of the Country are retirees; yes some young people. (jobs) at the Luxury Casinos.

The problem with foreclosures/ houses going under water, and money, is the retirees/new people GAMBLED it away. What other entertainment or Industry does Las Vegas have?

Las Vegas grew at the fastest rate in the country several years ago------housing was cheap, loans acquired easily, the hot weather, wonderful in the Desert---

It was a very appealing place to live--it will take a while for any elected President to fix this town's peoples problems. Obama has done nothing but "Knock down this town with his negative speeches re: Las Vegas"---setting a bad precedent for continued growth.

repeating myself yet again, to all of you "Newt" supporters out there........

Newt Gingrich was fined $300,000.00 for ethics violation then in 1997 was forced to resign or be voted out as Speaker of the House...........does any of this sound familar..........why would anyone want to support a man with the past that he has to run for President

Why can't we just judge the president on his performance in office just like every other president who has been there? I would so much rather see him and everyone else just as people rather than as people identified by their race-that just complicates and confuses everything. Yet I'm not allowed to do that-the president's race is constantly thrown in my face every time criticism of any type is given. Why is that? Why is it that the very people who complain about racism are the ones who keep throwing race in my face when I'd much rather see people of all races as just regular people identified by their names and who they are?

It time for you to stop dreaming and wakeup. Racism is a live and will and I'm not going to do the race card what I'm going to say is it is pure hatred of this man who is the President. Race card of not you can see dis you but just don't want too. Like back in the 60's,50's and so you turn a blind eye to and let the kkk do what they wanted to differ race of people and got away with it but that's in the pass you say.I changing the racism to just plan hatred.

@ William B:

Outstanding post!! Finally, someone that understands/notices what’s going on around us and the urgency to get rid of those that intend on doing the most harm to us as Americans. Most have, with good intentions went in with the idea of changing the way government works only to be engulfed in the system itself. I agree wholeheartedly that once we stop taking the red and blue pill, Our eyes will TRULY be opened and will finally be allowed to think for ourselves and NOT listen to those who can spend the most money in an effort to deceit and/or distort the truth for their benefit. Continue educating the meek and confused!!

What shots does Soros call? Care to back that up with something credible other than dishonest rhetoric?

No more than the Koch brothers doing the same with Republicans and their funding. Don't call one camp a hypocrite if they BOTH are doing the same thing. It makes you look uneducated.

Obviously you haven't noticed that Soros isn't entirely happy with Obama either, but Obama appears to get the nod over Mitt by a nose. Soros has been reported to telling his European buddies that Romney is basically the same as Obama.

According to Soros, Mitt is about equal to Obama, just not quite. Did you hear that Trump and the other who support Romney? Mitt isn't as conservative as you think!

Romney is the last person Soros wants behind the wheel!

Both the democratic and republican party are corrupt.

Get over it.

Following party is wasting a vote. Voting for the lessor of two evils and staying republican or democrat is also wasting a vote. Vote for the Candidate. Don't listen to lies, don't listen to the cover ups, go find out for yourself.

Learn the candidates, what they really did, what they supported, etc.

There is NO excuse now, you have the internet, at least for awhile more now.

Of course Obama turned it over to the UN (ACTA) another illegal action. Like we want China, etc deciding what we can or cannot do on the internet.

I cannot wait for his arrest, it has already been way too long in coming.

I think we all agree that Congress is corrupt......I guess that's job 1 right now.....getting the "Elephants"--AND "Jackasses" away from our peanuts! lol We're just tryin to figure out how to do it!

....Term Limitation comes to mind!!!

Even if you could prove those accusations Knine, they are not going to arrest Obama anymore than they will turn Bush over to be tried for war crimes.

The Koch brothers lobbyist Grover Norquist owns the GOP, they have signed a pact to him, you worry about sketchy connections to Soros when they freely admit they work for the Koch brothers against the welfare of the nation.

Jan - do expound on this so called pact the republicans signed with Grover Norquist. I am really interested to see what you know about this pact. What was in it... what was it all about? What was the pretext and pretense in it.... do you even know? I've heard so many on the left talk about this pact but do any of them even know what it was all about... Do you?

Jan, Norquist is to Republicans as Soros is to Obama - when you figure that out you will be free of the puppeteer strings yourself.

There is no difference between Romney and Obama just like there is no difference between Obama and Bush. If you want real change then vote for Ron Paul.

Romney stated that America is fed up with Obama what makes him think we should have him instead, because he is richer. That is what is wrong with our government now, it is all backed by big money, and they are all out to see who has the biggest one - I mean backer. If americans really want true and honest change they would not be looking, listening to all this garbage being spewed out of their mouths instead they should be listening to the only one who is backed up by our constitution and that is Ron Paul. Republicans who don't want to have Romney in office or at least shouldn't want Romney in office, he is as crooked as you will allow him to be, so why don't you put your money where your mouths are and vote for Ron Paul. He doesn't have all the answers but he sure makes the most sense in putting america back on track through the constitution of this country. Vote for Ron Paul and you vote for the heart of what america really stands for.

WTF?!?!

I can't figure out how the Reich wing imbeciles can equate the Koch brothers with George Soros.

It just shows how ignorant they are.

And anyone that is not intellectually lazy can look up Grover Norquist and see that it's an organized crime protection racket.

suzanne-1584585 That is what is wrong with our government now, it is all backed by big money, and they are all out to see who has the biggest one - I mean backer. If americans really want true and honest change .... they should be listening to the only one who is backed up by our constitution and that is Ron Paul.

You act as if Ron Paul is poor! His net worth is close to $5 million! That my friend last time I look is called RICH! Not to mention he's been in Politics since 1976. Oh I like Ron Paul's personality, he's dead on when he speaks of the monetary policies of this country. But, he's too old and his foreign policy leads us back to where we were just before WWII, which ultimately led to Japan's attach. Isolationism is not what this country needs again. IMO, Ron Paul ran again, not because he thought he had a chance to win, but he's out there to promote the policies for the next generation, his son, Rand Paul. Just as he will not run on an Independent ticket, which would ruin his son's chances in the future.

For the record, although I hate the man, as an historian no one on the republican ticket knows the Constition better than Newt does.

Was there another Son of God that appeared to the American Indians? What was his name?

Different Christ & different Angels --- What difference does it make? Religion shouldn't be a litmus test

Asking questions about a mysterious religion (to me at least) should not be outlawed either.

Ltcommander, it shouldn't preclude a person from running for president either (unless you're the actual religious bigot you seem to be),.....we've had a lot worse that have run.....actually, we still have a lot worse that's presently in the White House. One way or another, we'll take care of that....

Which Continent? Which tribe?

From the Bible - There will be many who claim themselves to be the Son of God or Christ. So don't let that spoil you. BTW many of the different indian tribes also talk about a great Flood and one person and his family building a big canoe too!

I got a question. (When they landed)--Why were explorers like Columbus, Cortez, and even Capt Cook regarded as "great white gods" to indians that, supposedly, had never seen a white man before? How did they know Whites even existed? Don't look in your science books....the answer's not there....

Texson.actually, we still have a lot worse that's presently in the White House. ---------

I hate to tell you your being delusional and all the bush/cheny presidency has been over for a few years now.

Wheels....did you get the impression I was in the "Obama" camp?? Good Lord, sloooow down and read!

I lived in the Las Vegas area until recenly for over 10 years. Yes, the mortgages were inflated and that bubble burst. However, what has really hurt Nevada was the second highest unemployment rate in the nation. Additionally, it didn't help matters when Obama was telling companies not to hold their annual conventions in Nevada, because "Nevada was full of Casinos and brothels". EXCUSE ME! Check your facts, Obama.. Nevada has more to offer than slot machines and hookers! Obama doesn't deserve one Nevada Vote, due to the economic backlash that was faced directly due to those remarks. Plus, check out every Indian Reservation in every state these days... What will you find? Casinos and ladies selling their wares at the local truck stop... For the record, Nevada has fine Hotels, wonderful exhibits, outstanding National Parks, Skiing, Wonderful Restaurants, Excellent Theater Shows, and the list goes on... Directly due to Obama's Nevada comments two years ago, Hotels lost millions in Convention bookings, the unemployment numbers jumped and small vendors looking for the corporate conventions to get through the year went out of business, and restaurants floundered.

I'm glad Romney is doing well in the GOP polls in Nevada... I for one hopes Obama feels the heat from accountability headed his way!...

I lived in the Las Vegas area until recenly for over 10 years. Yes, the mortgages were inflated and that bubble burst. However, what has really hurt Nevada was the second highest unemployment rate in the nation. Additionally, it didn't help matters when Obama was telling companies not to hold their annual conventions in Nevada, because "Nevada was full of Casinos and brothels". EXCUSE ME! Check your facts, Obama.. Nevada has more to offer than slot machines and hookers! Obama doesn't deserve one Nevada Vote, due to the economic backlash that was faced directly due to those remarks. Plus, check out every Indian Reservation in every state these days... What will you find? Casinos and ladies selling their wares at the local truck stop... For the record, Nevada has fine Hotels, wonderful exhibits, outstanding National Parks, Skiing, Wonderful Restaurants, Excellent Theater Shows, and the list goes on... Directly due to Obama's Nevada comments two years ago, Hotels lost millions in Convention bookings, the unemployment numbers jumped and small vendors looking for the corporate conventions to get through the year went out of business, and restaurants floundered.

I'm glad Romney is doing well in the GOP polls in Nevada... I for one hopes Obama feels the heat from accountability headed his way!...

Romney invested? Are you really fricken kidding us? You really believe that cr?p?????????

Romney made his millions by being a corporate raider at Bain Financial, loading the taken over companies with debt, debt incurred so that Mitt, and others could line their pockets. Mitt made millions by raiding the retirement funds of those companies, leaving retirees with NO retirement, at least not from their employers anymore, but, retirement from TAXPAYERS FUNDS, as the governmemt in many instances stepped in to protect those retirees.

Later these companies would be placed in bankruptcy, ( after every nickel that was in it was stolen, and,. every dollar that could be borrowed against it was borrowed). Easy for a guy who makes over $57,000.00 PER DAY, pays less as a percentage of income than someone earning that amount in a year, to say " I dont care about the poor ". Heck, his actions at Bain clearly show that he did not much care how many then " middle class Americans " he pushed into poverty with his very actions.

The guy has no connection whatsoever to the average person in the street, this is the finite rich trust fund kid, who grew up without any idea of hard work, any idea of what is like to be middle class, much less poor. Now, I realize that being rich, poor, or middle class does not qualify, or disqualify anyone from being a good public servant, or even president. In my book, what disqualifies Mitt from getting my vote, is his complete, down to the core disconnect with average Americans.

From saying stuff like "I like to fire people", telling Gov. Perry of Texas " I bet you $10,000.00", saying " I dont care about the very poor, that is not what my campaign is about", to CONSTANTLY changing, twisting his rethoric to please whatever crowd he is with that moment, clearly shows he is either a liar, or, someone who will say just about anything to get the nomination.

I am not too crazy about Gingrich, but, if we could simply be a lot more honest with ourselves in regards to our own personal lives, then Newt does not look as bad as Mitt is trying to paint him. Some of Newt's " sins" were when he was very young, other stuff is minor political dirt. If I had to choose right this minute who I would trust more in the long run, it would be Newt hands down. At least with Newt we know what to expect, whereas Mitt is simply just out to get elected and get even richer.

Okay, little bit on the "Mormon" faith (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or LDS)
There was no "second christ" and god didn't have sex with the virgin mary, they don't think Joseph Smith is christ/god, nor do they worship him, this would go against their own teachings of false idols, although they do revere Joseph Smith. they don't do a lot of other crap people "think" LDS people believe, they don't believe that, here are 13 things they do believe though. Straight from the source.

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.

3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.

6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.

7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.

8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.

12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things

Hope that clears some things up,
For one other one, yes they do believe you may become a god, because they believe we are all (everyone in and out of the church, that's what all is.) children of god, so just as a human child grows into an adult, logically a child, of god, would "grow" into a god

Hope that helps some people, even Joe Biden thinks it is silly that Romney has to explain his faith, lets stop being so ignorant people! There are bigger issues here!

Might as well go watch TV, Roger K, no one's listening to your delusional ranting.....

AND THE GOP HAS BEEN DENOUNCING OBAMA AND HIS "SO CALLED" RELIGIOUS BACK ROUND FOR YEARS. (IE) ISLAM AND KENYA ROOTS?, BUT ROMNEY'S CONNECTION IS A-OK NOW? GOP IDIOTS !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism

Relation to Islam

Main article: Mormonism and Islam

Mormonism has been compared to Islam since its origins in the nineteenth century, often by detractors of one religion or the other.^[45] For instance, Joseph Smith was referred to as "the modern Mahomet" by the New York Herald,^[46] shortly after his murder in June 1844. This epithet repeated a comparison that had been made from Smith's earliest career,^[47] one that was not intended at the time to be complimentary. Comparison of the Mormon and Muslim prophets still occurs today, sometimes for derogatory or polemical reasons^[48] but also for more scholarly (and neutral) purposes.^[49] While Mormonism and Islam certainly have many similarities, there are also significant, fundamental differences between the two religions. Mormon–Muslim relations have been historically cordial,^[50] seldom involving Islamophobia or Anti-Mormonism; recent years have seen increasing dialogue between adherents of the two faiths, and cooperation in charitable endeavors, especially in the Middle and Far East.^[51]

Islam and Mormonism both originate in the Abrahamic traditions. Both believe that Christianity as originally established by Jesus Christ was a true religion, but that it subsequently became deformed to the point that it was beyond simple reformation. Hence, each religion sees its founder (Muhammad for Islam, and Joseph Smith for Mormonism) as being a true prophet of God, called to re-establish the true faith. In addition, Both prophets received visits from an angel, leading to additional books of scripture. Both religions share a high emphasis on family life, charitable giving, chastity, and a special reverence for, though not worship of, their founding prophet.

The religions differ significantly in their views on God. Islam insists upon the complete oneness and uniqueness of God (Allah), while Mormonism asserts that the Godhead is made up of three distinct "personages."^[52] Mormonism sees Jesus Christ as the promised Messiah and the literal Son of God, while Islam insists that the title "Messiah" means that Jesus (or "Isa") was a prophet sent to establish the true faith, not that he was the Son of God or a divine being. Despite opposition from other Christian denominations, Mormonism identifies itself as a Christian religion, the "restoration" of primitive Christianity. Islam does not refer to itself as "Christian", asserting that Jesus and all true followers of Christ's teachings were (and are) Muslims—a term that means "submitters to God"—not Christians as the term is used today.^[53] Islam proclaims that its prophet Muhammad was the "seal of the prophets",^[54] and that no further prophets would come after him. Mormons, however, view Joseph Smith and his successors as modern prophets.

And then Joeseph Smith comes back, backs Romney, and the world has changed.

Give me, the US, and the rest of the world a F'ing break!

If there is ANY connection to Islam and a presidential contender, put your $$$ on Mittsy !

Your logo tells me all I need to know about you, doem309.....

#8 (revelations and writing done - AD 100 per the Apostle Paul) and #10 ((the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent) is where most Christians part ways with the Mormon religion. There are other issues. That is why they get accused of being a cult.

You lose! Nevada turnout in 2008: 44,324. Final turnout for 2012 looks like about 32,000 based on the 71% currently reported. Florida turnout was about 20% lower than 2008 as well. Looks like everyone is real excited about coming out to vote for Mitt Robot! What an excellent candidate.

I am so sick and tired fo the Mormon bashers on this panel. I find you all a bunch of bigots and you people call yourselves christians? I DONT THINK SO!!. Right now this country needs the economy and jobs to improve and this president in office hasnet got a clue to get it right or done. Obama has never created a job or build a company to hire people in his life. The only thing Obama knows how to do is spend, spend other peoples money. If the Democratic Party care so much for the poor as he preaches why dont this President and the rest of his party cough up their own money and help out. Mitt has given more donations to help people then the Democratic Party put together.

Have you ever lived in Nevada or states close to Utah? I did my research out in Nevada for my advanced degree. Everyday there were these white shirt boys coming to my door to spread the word about Mormonism. No matter how many times I would politely tell them I wanted nothing to do with their flavor of religion or remind them of what Mr. Smith did to the wagon train party crossing Utah and blaming another people for their deeds that the Mormon's never took full responsibility for, they continued to harass me until I notified the local law enforcement for a cease and desist. Would you not say their zeal to convert others to their beliefs aren't a little over the top? I am not atypical either as others had to tolerate this behavior from young men sponsored by the Mormon Church. It is not bashing but when I ask to be left alone free from harassment from any organized religion then honor my request.

Politics for everyone ---- So with all that you said, why does Romney consistently tell LIES?

MSNBC:

Why on the weekends are most of the Freedom of Speechers Collapsed?.

There are just about no comments on any board during the weekend, i.e., this time Romney. Why print the article to be discussed?

It looks weird---not seemingly balanced with others opinions..

Hopefully Newsvine will take this problem into consideration. Most are not offensive.

I hate to tell you your being delusional and all the bush/cheny presidency has been over for a few years now.

The damage done in those 8 years will take more than 3 to fix it. We'll pay for Bush/Chaney until all wars are over, the republicans quit controlling the oil companies then add 10 years to it. The republicans have ruined this country and still point fingers at the Dems since they got tossed out of the WH. And Romney no matter what your excuse is to defend him is not the man to lead and speak for 98% of the people in this country. Because he's in the top 2% and cares only for the wealthy.

I won't vote for that lieing filthy rich SOB.

Doing the basic math, Romney gave $7M to charity, but the problem is, it's right back into the Mormon Church. The tithing of 10% is mandatory. So, $4.2 went directly to the Mormon Church. Another benefactor is the "Tyler Foundation" which gives to the Mormon Church.

Seriously, check this page out. I've never recommended a video before but this just breaks it all down. Mormons say that Jesus had 3 wives and a load of children. They believe that there is a separate God for each universe, 3 levels of heaven, (totally contingent on how you performed on earth). I wonder if the Gods of universes get together for a beer and compare their ant farms.

http://peanutroaster.hubpages.com/hub/The-Secret-World-of-Mormonism-and-the-Banned-Cartoon

Was there another Son of God that appeared to the American Indians? What was his name?

Yehovawatha.

It will be a cold day in hell when I vote for a Mormon. And you may have thought that the Vatican kept their secrets. Not so, with the proper paper work they will grant you time in many parts of their library to read and study. You just cannot check out any material. The written material on the history and beliefs of the LDS is under serious lock and key. I have tried, it is only open to those of the higher ranking of their "church." Rankings that are never revealed. I have done business with many who say they are Mormons. The act led me to questions. I needed to find a "higher-up" in their church who would be willing to speak. That I managed to do. Yes, he told me it is written that it is agreed within our church that it is alright to screw and cheat another of a different faith when it comes to business and making money. To those of you who say a person's religious beliefs make no difference, to you I say you are all wet. It has every thing to do with a person if they hold true to their beliefs and convictions. It is their corner-stone to which they turn to for their values morals and principles, and "guiding light." I once asked a member of the church of the LDS why was it that God gave the words to Moses on stone where your prophet received the words on gold? There was a pause a little uh uh uh and then "I suppose that's what he had available at the time.

I wonder if the Gods of universes get together for a beer and compare their ant farms.

Sandtrich, you've been reading my posts.

It is a cult. Yeah you have on the outside many of the tenants of mainline Christianity in Mormonism, but you delve deeper and it gets a bit weird in terms of orthodox Christian Doctrine. According to Smith, Jesus and Satan were brothers, plus Smith said the Garden of Eden was in present day Independence MS. Sorry, but the most accurate desciption in Genesis is that is was somewhere between the Tigris and Euphrates in modern day Iraq. I do agree that religion shouldn't be a ltimus test, but the evangelicals that cry it is a cult are not off the mark. Besides, it is a moot issue anyway. A Romney presidnecy isn't going to be really any different from an Obama one. Federal Reserves prints money like it is water, and more wars, while our standard of lving goes down the tubes in the process as we get crushed under the weight of this enormous debt.

So, MrCool, do you start off your business dealing with, "what religion are you?". And do you judge the quality of your business relationships on what religion people are? I've been screwed by more so-called Christians, born agains and evangelicals than you can shake a stick at. And where did you go to find out more about the history of Christianity or Judaism? Did you go to the Vatican to learn more about the Illuminati and the Knights Templar? Did they let you into their library to study their secret orders and sects? And where did you go for the study of the Protestant religions? And let's not forget about all the start up religions of evangelicals and born agains? did they let you into their inner circles? did they let you audit their books?

And your question to a Mormon about the tablets. Was that meant to be a "gotcha" question? Isn't religion in it's purest form based on faith? Do you really believe Moses parted the waters? And do you really believe that Noah took one pair of each species of animals on the Ark? And how come the Lord speak to Benny Hinn but not to me?

Texson

I got a question. (When they landed)--Why were explorers like Columbus, Cortez, and even Capt Cook regarded as "great white gods" to indians that, supposedly, had never seen a white man before? How did they know Whites even existed? Don't look in your science books....the answer's not there....

Yes it is.

It is taught, in the science books, that the Americas were "discovered" before Columbus.

At least by a Christian named Leif Ericsson, who founded a colony in Newfoundland.

There is also evidence Thorfinn Karlsefni also came to America.

These guys were Nordic, about as white as you can get.

There also seems to be evidence that Irish Monks had made it to America around 600 AD.

All giving plenty of time for their trips to spread into a legend through trading routes.

There is sufficient evidence the ancient Chinese were in California, so trade with other people had been going on for quite some time. The yarns a sailor will tell does get spread by trade routes.

When you consider the language barriers it isn't surprising what kinds of stories were told and altered.

Intellect- For your information buddy I have lived in Henderson Nevada for 5 years and I have found that the Mormon religion are more christian than any other christian religion put together. All this Mormon bashing on this panel just proves that you all are a bunch of bigots and you dont even know the true meaning of being christian. Hypocrites you all are.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Republicans sure know how to self destruct. Romney? thats our guy? How uninspiring

Mormonism referred to as Cults?. There are "Cults" in all Religions that go further than the basic religious beliefs.

Charles Manson was a Cult of beliefs, and tragic violence. That's what comes to my mind first; Jim Jones in Africa; (drink the kool-aid), then David Koresh in Texas--yes? Others who bound their people into an unnatural beliefs from the base religion they practice.

Extremism is not good in all Religions--

I cannot imagine a more irrelevant reason by which to judge a candidate than his religion or lack thereof. The right wing lunatic fringe might as well make judgments regarding their choices of candidates based upon hairstyle or their favorite after shave. It is just another reason why their hateful political ideology is becoming more and more marginalized. Normal Americans are turning away from the GOP in greater numbers as the debate centers on intolerant and pointless issues instead of real world problems. By the time the primaries are over, there will be no credible or rational GOP candidates remaining to pose as candidates for the presidency.

It appears Obama will win by default this November: America is holding an election and the Republican Party is not going to show up.

This thread is why religion and politics should never be mixed. Just like a fifth of Jack and a prescription for valium nothing good can come from the mix. Most politicians claim some religious affilation and the only thing most of them would not steal is a hot wood burning stove. Do the math.

The No Religious Test Clause of the United States Constitution is found in Article VI, paragraph 3, and states that:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

Wow, so much Mormon hate. Mormons, like my sweet grandmother and her loyal, one-wife husband, are people like everyone else. Keep that in mind as you spew your false misconceptions about them.

The majority of Mormons are:

1. Part of a branch of Christianity.

2. NOT polygamists. (That's the FDLS, people).

3. Very kind, hospitable, caring people.

4. NOT a cult.

Regardless of whether or not you like or dislike Romney, applying such a hate-filled view to all Mormons, or even hating Romney solely due to his religion, is not only prejudiced and discriminatory, but reeks of bigotry, arrogance, and a "holier-than-thou" attitude.

If you're going to hate Romney, hate him for something other than his religion.

Mormons believe in a strong national defense---yet Utah is dead last in per capita military volunteerism.

The Mormon Church is a very secretive organization.

Believes that black people are black as a punishment from God.

Believe that Jesus has 3 wives and a bunch of children.

Do you really wonder why people hide when they see those pimple faced, bike riding dweebs knock on their doors? It's the "cultiest" of cults.

@santrich

It's the "cultiest" of cults.

False.

cult

Noun:

1. A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
2. A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.

The Mormon Church's devotion is directed primarily towards God and his son, Jesus, as all other Christians.

Secondly, the definition of "cult" is "a relatively small group of people". The Mormon Church is hardly small, and therefore, not a cult.

The other side to the Mormon cult thing is that all christian denominations are cults, using their loose definition of the term. I am good with that, personally.

Aleithia

I note that you don't dispute the fact that Mormons believe that Jesus was married to 3 women and was a father to children. Speak to us about the 3 levels of heaven, the "golden tablets", Lucifer being the brother of Jesus, etc. It sure would clear up a lot of questions. What? You're not allowed to speak of your religion in public?

I have no use for religion, but understand what the basis of belief of the Mormon faith and other faiths. Mitt Romney will not be elected President, so it's all moot, but give me an answer that doesn't come from dictionary.com.

Mormons own Coca-Cola, along with running the majority of the poultry, beef, pork, and grain industry in the US.

What would be more natural than owning the Government as well?

I'm surprised no one has brought up the issue of what the Mormon faith teaches about black folks and "their place" in the realm of spirituality.

I'll bet you a dollar to a donut you'd hear some major "crawfishin" from Romney if the subject comes up in the press.

And I will bet you a dollar to a whatever that the subjects of Mormonism and doughnuts will not arise in the press because both topics are equally irrelevant to the presidential election. If you want to uncover a major conspiracy, as it seems you are itching to do, investigate the giant pork rind cartels and their secret relationship to the evil malt liquor industry. They are seeking to join forces to take over the trailer park communities in our nation...you may already be under their nefarious influences, by the way.

Damn.

The core beliefs held by any person wielding power are pertinent to their decision making thought processes. Being aware of these qualities does not make one a conspiracy nut, there is merit in doubting the foxes motives for wanting to guard the chicken house.

Texson, FYI, Many Indian cultures, both North and South America have a legend of a White God who came from the sky, with wounds in his hands and feet. These legends go back generations before the Europeans ever got here.

RealityCheck, I went to the Mormon church at one time, and I don't have any idea what you are talking about regarding black people. The Church had black members, as well as those of other races as well. They were as welcome into the Church community as well as anyone else. Never during the sermons, or in the book of Mormon itself were blacks or other races condemned.

Mormons are Followers of Joseph Smith who is a prophet of the teachings of Jesus Christ. To compare Mormon to Islam, or call it a cult is just Ignorance.

For myself, I would rather have a Man who follows the word of Christ, over a Man whose minister proclaimed "GOD DAMN AMERICA".

Yes, I know Obozo left the church and said that his beliefs did not coincide with the Rantings of Rev. Wright, but this was only AFTER he started to run for president, and AFTER the Reverends words were being printed in the media.

ROMNEY 2012

Politicsforeveryone - Mormonism sounds just like normal Christianity up front, but when you look at it in depth you see the problems. If everyone "grows up" and becomes a god, you're not a monotheist, you're a polytheist, and that is NOT Christianity. Christians believe in one God. Mormonism is a cult.

Janine where did you come up with American Indians having visions of a White God coming from the sky with wounds to hands and feet? Please share your source of information as this sounds like a fairy tale to me and many others of roughly 2 million. Please do not speak for American Indians especially when your comments are as it seems made up at best.

This demonstrates you do not know what you are talking about at the very least when it comes to the American Indian Tribes in North and South America. I would bet that people would like to believe this to be true thus lending credibility to a White God for the entire world mentality.

Janine

Many Indian cultures, both North and South America have a legend of a White God who came from the sky, with wounds in his hands and feet. These legends go back generations before the Europeans ever got here.

Covered in post #7.31. You mean before Columbus got here. The Scandinavians were here before Columbus, and there is some evidence Irish Monks might have even been here around 600AD.

Believe it or not the Indigenous people did trade with each other.

You can imagine such a wild tale (to them) would have been passed from one tribe to another.

Also the Chinese were in California before Columbus and they were traders who might have picked up the story in their travels.

Telling stories is a great way to make the sale.

Nobodies religious belief, or lack of, should be used as a basis for holding public office.

People keep trying to criticize Obama for his beliefs, he is a man of faith - knock it off. Many of us had leaders and doctrines we no longer believe in as we grew in our faith.

One of my favorites is John Newton. When God saved him he was a slave ship captain. After he was saved he treated the slaves better but didn't see a problem with slavery.

As God worked on him he came to not only denounce slavery but became one of the primary forces in ending slavery in England.

I see a LOT of problems with Mormonism, but it doesn't matter. Mit needs to be judged on his political views, which change with the wind, and are biased toward the wealthy. Plus he strikes me as being a bit dishonest.

One example:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/03/10312358-did-obama-make-the-economy-worse-not-according-to-most-statistics

Janine:

The views of one Mormon "Apostle" are very clear in His book "Mormon Doctrine" where Bruce R. McConkie spells out that "Negroes are not equal with other races" (Mormon Doctrine By Bruce R. McConkie 1966 pp. 527-528 and pg. 698)

Like the members of many other religious and fraternal organizations I seriously doubt that most Mormons could give you an in-depth explanation of their doctrine or just exactly what it is that they believe, like most they have not "studied to shew themselves approved"!

As to what the average Mormon espouses to today it varies, I have heard different explanations from every Mormon I've spoken with. Most religions have done a lot of waffling on any subject that raises a note of conflict with the doctrine of political correctness. And so it goes.

Though no expert on the subject I firmly believe that like yourself, most Americans are woefully ill-informed as to the true nature of Mormonism and what the leadership advocates. As to whether Mr. Romney lets or will let his religious beliefs affect his political decisions; who can tell for sure.

I am not a religious scholar, it has not been my intent to offend you or anyone else in particular but only to shed a little light on the subject of Mormonism and what their leadership teaches. Enough!

The Muscogee People traded from the Arctic Circle to South America and from east to west. No surprise in this unless one would have you believe they were troglodytes. They are the most documented as having made these long journeys of trading.

"great white gods".... How did they know Whites even existed? Don't look in your science books....the answer's not there....

There's a good reason you won't fnd that in science books.

The legend is that Montezuma asked Cortez if Cortez was the Aztec god Quetzlcoatl, a flying serpent with feathers. Find a picture of Quetzlcoatl. Does he look European to you?

Of course, all Europeans and fly and look like feathered snakes. Wait a minute, surely not ALL Europeans. Maybe only the Spanish?

What an imagination you have!

You righties are still ranting about Reveend Wright FOURS YEARS LATER and how our President is a muslim to the point we have had actually had states in the country pass idiot laws banning "sharia law" because of this fear mongering, conspiracy theories and paranoia you and your propaganda network of the gop, Rove and the rest of the witch hunters of Fixed News started and never stopped against the President but Romney's "religion"? Can't go there!!!!! Hear no!! Speak no or we're BASHING!!! What DO we know about this guy with an election less then a year away? Not a whole not when you think about it and he'd better come clean right now with at least EIGHT YEARS of back Taxes BEFORE HE HAS ARMIES OF LAYWERS TO "CLEAN THEM UP" WHICH IS LIKELY GOING ON AS I TYPE THIS!!!
He has completely flipped on what he used to support to pretend to be a "lunatic far right reactionary" wingnut fascist like the rest of the rest of the gop since Obama got elected Fake, phoney, baloney, liar, and all smokey mirrors but we wknow who HE IS FOR. The filth rich and the corporate advancement plutocratic Orwellian society the rest of the fascists want.

THAT much is certain.
"Facism will come to America wrapped in a flag carrying a Bible". Their names are Romney, Santorum, Gingrinch and don't let Paul fool you, he's as looney as the other 3.

The vulgar term "tea-baggers" seems strange coming from an officer.....

The next president will be Ron Paul or Obama.

Hey Texson, many of your posts personally insult other contributors-no constructive counter arguments or facts. Just pointing that out-no need to attack me now.

@ Semper: Texson has a bad case of "red ass". Been sliding down his tree backwards. Suspicious, you know.

I would like to help all you religious bigots out there become better, more effective bigots. An educated bigot is much more effective than an uneducated one. You can actually influence more people if you know something about what you are talking about. So here are two ideas.

1. Obtain a free copy of the Book of Mormon from any of your Mormon friends and Neighbors, just ask them they will give you one, no charge and no strings attached. Or go to www.lds.org and order a copy from that website, also free no strings attached. Then atcually read it. Once you have read it you will be able to comment from the perspective of someone who actually has a clue what they are talking about. You will be a lot more effective an impactful when you can quote things that are actually in the Book of Mormon.

2. For those who want to understand the LDS or Mormon Perspective of the Godhead, I recommend the book found on www.whatsthepointreligion.com it is titled People, God, Religion, Whats the Point? It is basically a blend of science and religion that will help you understand who you are by first understanding who God is.

Now none of this will help you make a political decision, which actually should be pretty simple, this economy is broken the president currently in the white house has us on a course to becoming just like Greece, Italy and Spain. Why Obama thinks he can do the same things here that were done there and not end up with the same result is beyond my limited ability to understand but ANYBODY who doesn't believe that we can do the same thing and expect different results is OK with me. The reading you do should help you be a much more effective bigot. You will be able to make your points using live ammunition/facts instead of clueless rants.

Texan, many members of the Tea Party wear hats with tea bags hanging from them. What do you expect them to be called?

TEABAGGER TEAbagger T-Bagger TEABAGer Teabagger TEABAGGER TeaBagger

Nanny nanny boo boo

Get per it, your own called you that before they knew the alternative meaning

But funny, Tea Bags are on the way out, Support dropping...Don't bee love me check the polls on Polling Report

Your Tea Bags have been dunked and there is to flavor left. Teabaggers are nothing more than Right Wing Extremists without a cue

Ron Paul won what 7% in Florida?

What will he win tonight? 8%

You should get on board with a winner. The person members of the military support second to Ron Paul is Barack Obama.

The fight between who wins between the two major leaders Romney & Gingrich will prove interesting when that winner runs against Paul, not a doubt about it. ---- Their negative campaigns will eat Paul alive

Not all the military support Ron Paul --- You folks keep assuming that all Americans think like you do, and that is morally & quite simply wrong

Yeah the military supports the Campaigner in Chief. Right.

@Blamo, they have to, because that's how the chain of command works. Otherwise, the military would fall apart with constant mutinies and infighting.

The person members of the military support second to Ron Paul is Barack Obama.

LT Commander - you're actually in the minority on that one.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/118684/military-veterans-ages-tend-republican.aspx

http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/policy-and-strategy/207173-obama-campaign-tries-to-win-military-voters-from-gop

You are mistaking the Ron Paul military group to be all Republican when it is not. What Ron Paul is bringing into the Republican Party is anti-war Democrats and Independents.

ltcommander72, Ron Paul won what 7% in Florida?

Jim-372206, The fight between who wins between the two major leaders Romney & Gingrich will prove interesting when that winner runs against Paul, not a doubt about it

Make sure no voter fraud was there (FL) also. Because it sure has been rampant, and I personally hate being manipulated by someone who thinks they have the right to force how I think. Hopefully you can research and think for yourself also. Can you?

How about helping to fight voter fraud, or do you want the next election to be won by the person who is supported by those doing the fraud?

Knine, the only time I see "voter fraud" as an issue, it when Democrats lose......funny how that seems to be a trend....

A black president wouldn't run the country any different than a white president would. It's about time people looked past race as a factor. It's POLICIES that matter, for goodness sake!

Excellent comment. Unfortunately the Ditto Heads never accepted the fact that we have a black(1/2) president..Racism is alive and well in America...SAD!

I agree with you, Spartan.....race should never be an issue for running for president. But the classless and vile attacks on Romney's religion are out of bounds too. Just ask "Huckabee" what his slap against Romney did for him on the last elections......it proved to be his waterloo. Now, it's open season on "Christians" and Christians are enjoying open season on the LDS. The hypocracy is stunning....Anyone who knows of the LDS church---TRULY---will know that they are ALL about Jesus Christ. And those who want nothing to do with Christ are screaming the loudest in questioning the Christian Faith of the LDS!! Simply amazing.... we've sunk to an all-time low as a society....

Marine,.............. Ron Paul is just Ron Paul, having said that, I am telling you.......He is like a snow ball headed for hell.

I like SOME of his ideas, as a veteran, I am glad to see someone actually questioning how, why, and for what reasons American servicemen and servicewomen are deployed into battle, even without a formal declaration of war and for extended periods.

Even then, I do not think that a Ron Paul foreign policy would be in the best interest of all Americans, while at the same agreeing with him that many times, Americans give up their lives, their time, their service under very harsch conditions, not so much to protect the interests of all Americans, but to protect the interests of a few Americans, and corporations.

Perhaps one day, we ll have a candidate who ll be a bit like Ron Paul, without completely wiping out America's bonafide interests arounf the World, without having to go back to the gold standard, or having only followers who behave more like the national socialist of Munich circa 1930s

I applaud you, Marineforlife, I'm voting for another candidate, but your self-ascribed attributes are to be commended!

Roger, the problem I have with Ron Paul is that he's an "isolationist". Though that may have some merit, in today's world it's suicide for a country to keep to themselves....I wish we could, but we can't....we've long been past that bridge and there's no going back....

"the problem I have with Ron Paul is that he's an "isolationist"

Ron Paul is NOT an "isolationist". He has time and time again said he supports free trade and has expressed a willingness to engage in diplomacy with countries around the world. Please stop regurgitating the B.S you here on Fox news and CNN and actually listen to what the man says. The fact that he does not want to spend anymore of our tax dollars fighting endless wars so oil companies can record billion dollar profits year after year does not make him an isolationist, it makes him a man truly concerned with the welfare of this country. The real problem in this country is the inordinate amount of people who can't or won't think for themselves, and would rather take their cues from some media whore.

@ Baby Ice Dog: Actually your statement has some validity. Appearing in the memoirs of "Paul Revere" the famous patriot makes favorable mention of one of Dr. Pauls witty political pronouncements. Even back then. Who would ah thunk it?

Texson But the classless and vile attacks on Romney's religion are out of bounds too. Just ask "Huckabee" what his slap against Romney did for him on the last elections......it proved to be his waterloo. Now, it's open season on "Christians" and Christians are enjoying open season on the LDS. The hypocracy is stunning....Anyone who knows of the LDS church---TRULY---will know that they are ALL about Jesus Christ. And those who want nothing to do with Christ are screaming the loudest in questioning the Christian Faith of the LDS!! Simply amazing.... we've sunk to an all-time low as a society....

I totally agree with you! But I also clearly remember and it wasn't too long ago, that the same things being said about the Mormons today were being said about the Catholics when JFK ran for office. And most of it was being said by the same groups that are saying it now. Thank GOD!! most of this country does not look at Religion & Race when they chose their President.

Mexico more than likely.

That is where he is from.

Could be from Switzerland.

Who the hell are you?

Mitt was born in Michigan. It is VERY EASY TO CHECK!! But if you do that, it would take all the fun out of Mitt bashing!!

"Mittens, Willard, Newtered".....man, you liberals work soooo hard to come up with insulting names....and it just doesn't work LOL Just goes to show how miserable you all are at the drastic change coming in November.....face it---you got your boy in, he failed miserably....now it time for the adults to try and reverse the damage the children have done.....

Texson, practice what you preach. While you don't like the insulting names coming from liberals, maybe you should be more careful how you talk about the president of the United States. The term "boy" to describe President Obama is way more insulting than Mittens, etc [I don't expect you to get what "boy" means from a historical perspective otherwise you might (or might not for that matter) use a different term].

There you go again. My head is spinning. You complain about the insulting names liberals use, but you can use insulting names yourself. "Do as I say and not as I do" - kind of the motto for those in the Right. Funny, too, not sure how being PC has anything to do with "no one would stop spouting facts to them". But, please, don't bother to explain. Surprisingly though, I will actually take your advise. I don't like it, or rather I'm just tired of the nonsense, so I will sign off.

I wish us peace, Jim, wish there was an answer to all of this.....but, it's hard not to let yourself get carried away with emotions.....I apologized for that....

Yea, emotions - can be used effectively in debates, but, like you say, sometimes we carried away. At least one thing can be said, despite our (unlimited) differences, we care about what happens around us and we voice our opinions. What could be more American? So, I can't promise I won't use "rightwingnut" again, just like I wouldn't expect you to stop the anti-liberal rhetoric, but I might at least stop using "Teabagger". Baby steps......

Hey Jim, I thought I coined the term "Teabaggers" ? I guess great minds think alike. :)

Haha, well, it all depends on the context that it's used!

hey Texson, shall we look at the list of insulting names that your side has come up for Pres. Obama? He who casts the first stone.....

Teabaggers

Get over it, your protesting the use is why we keep using it.

You amuse us with your indigent responses

And remember the fist use of the term was from a sign held by a Teabagger at a Teabagger rally

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3640/3313864503_16bcc382fa.jpg?v=0

They said to Teabag the liberal Dems as in a verb, one who tea bags would be a tea bagger.

You don't like it...well you can lick my.....Oh you know the rest!

Obama Solyndra Funding with tax payer money Investors that has given millions to Obama, How about the Nazi Soros and Obama connection to him, How about ACORN and Obama's ties to it.

How about David Ayers a terrorist and Obama friend, How about Rev Wright and his Hating of whites and Obama never hearing it for 20 years and the REV. also being a close friend and no less a personnel friend of The Rev. Obama Would be called a terrorist if he was not a Liberal President. But Liberals call him King Obama. I also like how Obama says he for us when he to is also a 1%.. IVY league schools,Raised by rich Grand parents, That he ignores because he is a shamed that their White. Anyone remember How he bought his house.. Pretty sweet deal.The new spelling for Corruption is spelled OBAMA. When ever obama's lips are moving It the Socialist with their hand up his butt flapping his lips. How many Government worker have been laid off or fired under Obama's watch Thousands and Thousands. But lets blame all Obama short comings on Bush.

Solyndra financing was begun under the GW administration. In other words the wheels had been put in motion by Dub-ya's minions and President Obama made good on Dub-ya's promise. Google it and all will be revealed so get off of blaming or pointing fingers at someone else for another man's bad judgement. You want really bad judgement and actual insanity just look towards Iraq. It is now a safe haven for terrorists which was never in the cards before its ruler was taken out and murdered. Pure and simple we got involved in social engineering that of course failed at every corner except to work at bankrupting our country and losing the lives of many good men and women and for what? Can anyone provide an honest and straightforward answer with denigration? I do not think you can other than war mongers.

Excal:

With all due respect, you sound like a walking sound bite/talking point memo for fox news and some of the other republicans that can only focus on issues that they can use as a fear or hate. The sad part is those that do read your article will not really take you serious for all the name calling and insinuations you continue to echo.

In order to be taken seriously, I would suggest you add the following to your post:

"Unfortunately Obama is not the only corrupt and liar running for the President, so are all the republican candidates as well. It is easily to see they also care nothing for the working class or poor."

I think this comment will solidify your argument. you can also add a couple of vulgar names as well.

Intellect

Not so intelligent... Yes, Solyndra filed for government funds when Bush was president, but the Bush admin. turned them down. Then Obama came to office and said 'Yes'.

Also, check out Fisker Motors. Hundreds of millions given to a company building cars in Finland.

And let's put it this way:

Solyndra: $535 million to try and save an American company.

BP oil spill: $40 billion and counting from the US taxpayer for a foreign company's profits.

As for the rest of your paranoid conspiracy theories, it seems your tin foil hat is coming loose, Exal...

damnit Toasty I've agreed with you twice in one day! That's got to be a record ;)

Though I have to say, President Obama took wayyy too long to respond just like President Bush took too long to respond to katrina.

It's not that he took too long to respond, it's that he didn't do enough to pressure congress to lift the liability cap. Thanks to their corruption, Big Oil only had to pay a tiny fraction of the spill's cleanup costs. The taxpayers paid the rest.

I'll say 6 of one, half dozen of the other Toasty, we're still paying for Katrina too. Us "little guys" will get screwed no matter who happens to be POTUS that day.

Well said, Adam. I'm not voting for Ron Paul, but I don't down you for doing so. As far as trying to explain the "Christian doctrine of the LDS"...you're wasting your time, I think. The comments I've seen here come from swill so steeped in religious bigotry, that they care nothing for truth in any form---political or religious.

Gary, your disparaging of the mormon religion is bizarre. Re-read everything you wrote, but exchange "mormon" with "christian" and you get the same message: its all about money and someone has to interpret the bible for them (and what to think in general). The rightwingnuts want to govern based on Christian Law but I don't hear you disparaging christian churches.

ALL religions need to be kept out of government, not just the one you don't like. Pure and simple.

Adam, I don't know. Any law made less or more than the constitution is "evil" by Mormon doctrine? So, every law made outside of the Constitution of United States is evil - really, like every other country on the entire planet can only make laws that are "evil". Every other country on the entire planet needs to live like we do? Kinda reminds me of Evangelical thought that a Republican president is picked by God, but a Democratic president is elected to test their faith. It's all about control and nothing spiritual at all. Sad.

If the American government does not want "devine inspiration" used in governing this land, it is man who has told God to "speak to the hand". If that's how the majority of this nation want to proceed, then we're nothing more than a "ship without a rudder".....and with that, it doesn't matter who we elect anymore....

"Divine inspiration" (I prefer spirituality) guides most of us in our lives (yes, even us liberals) and government should be no different. However, spirituality or divine inspiration is not the same thing as religious doctrine or teachings, which, if implemented within a government excludes religious teachings of others (and often leads to religious persecution). To use your analogy, our "ship" has many different "rudders", which makes us uniquely America.

Jim, at NO TIME has Romney ever even "implied" that he was going to force his faith or the doctrine of his church on the people, were he elected. And so, his faith should not even be discussed here.....it's just the crass and vulgar of society get such a kick out of doing it. Simple Christian beliefs---that we've had since the days of Washington, are all he wants to do. Your interpretation of "rudders" and mine, are probably fairly distinct. Some of us believe in the "rule of law", and others think laws should be forever bent and hammered into whatever our selfish desires dictate...

I saw a cartoon that has Obama standing in front of James Madison while reading the Constitution. It goes:

Obama: "Mr Madison I see a "flaw" here in the Constitution! There's no part that allows us to take away from the Rich and Prosperous and give to those who won't work."

Madison: "No, Mr. Obama, that's not a "flaw"....that's the "POINT"!!"......any questions?

More to your point, Jim, yes, we have many "rudders" or philosophies of how to live. We then, elect someone---by a majority of the people---who's "rudder" answers the demands of as many as possible. From that point we have to all agree to let just "ONE" person steer the ship, or we'll never make any progress. I'm sorry, guy, we've made absolutely NO progress in the last 3 years....in fact, we're coming very close to crashing on the rocks.......it's time for a new captain...

The "one rudder fits all" notion, when it comes to governing or making policy based on a specific religion belief, however, is fundamentally un-American. And, while Romney may never have said he will force his religion on us, a member of Mormon church just posted on this thread that the Constitution of the United States is basically a religious document and laws passed outside of the Constitution are "evil" Now, if it were clear which laws were within the constitution, we wouldn't need the Supreme Court. So, I wonder how Mormons interpret the Constitution - as a legal document that is supposed protect all, or a religious document with a bias for a select few. As a disclaimer, that post was the first I heard of it, so I need to take it for a grain of salt.

Debbie Nunley
I couldnt believe it when i was reading this Steven...i am going to post it so everyone will know what i am
talking about...it is an email from someone i know:
Interesting when you work the numbers.
JOE vs. JOSE
You have two families: "Joe Legal" and "Jose Illegal". Both families have two
parents, two children, and live in California.
Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".
Ready? Now pay attention...
Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for
state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.0 0 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes.
Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month,
or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local
clinics at a cost of $0..00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare.
Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.
Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and
welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal
now has 9,631 .00.
Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy.
Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has
$7,231.00.
Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin'CAR insurance!" and still has
$31,200.00.
Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.
Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and
what he sends out of the country every month..
Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal
pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get a government
sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.
Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe
paid for them and Jose did not pay.
Do you get it, now?
If you vote for or support any politician that supports illegal aliens... or
don’t vote…..
You are part of the problem!

i'd say that about says it all folks, think about it...

LOL! This is all so funny and actually stupid. The nomination of a presidential candidate comes down to what church or religion he follows no matter how big of a hypocrite that person might be. Thirty years ago this mentality would not have flown in either party. This is not the America I was born into back in the fifties. I am repulsed at the very thought of religion running our country causing us to spiral into oblivion. It is time to remove any trace of organized religion and Evangelicals from politics. Next thing you know it will be a federal law that we will have to wear special undergarments. What in the heck has our country lowered itself to? I just don't get it. Religion is dividing this country so deeply it might cause the next Civil War.

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnn.....ZZZzzzZZZZzzzz

Gary,
"What the hell is the book of mormans? I guess it is the mormans interpretation of the bible well most people can make their own interpretation of the bible they don't need joseph smith telling what the bible says. Are the morman a little slow is that why the need someone interpretate what the bible says."

The Book of "Morman" not "Mormans" is not an interpretation of the Bible, it is a completely separate book. Mormon's (Latter Day Saints) Read both the Bible and the Book of Mormon, looks like your the one who is slow and needs to do a little reading before opening your dumb, ignorant, mouth!

I'm voting for Ron Paul. If it comes down to Warmonger Obama and Flip Flopney I'll probably vote for Obama. I'll seek out a third party before I vote for either of them though.

If Americans decide they want to fight the broken system I'll be the first to join arms. We do not have to accept the false choices we are given. This is the greatest country on Earth and we our best choices are Obama and Romney? That is pathetic.

Warmonger Obama? Really?

Politicsforeveryone"What the hell is the book of mormans? I guess it is the mormans interpretation of the bible well most people can make their own interpretation of the bible they don't need joseph smith telling what the bible says. The Book of "Morman" not "Mormans" is not an interpretation of the Bible, it is a completely separate book. Mormon's (Latter Day Saints) Read both the Bible and the Book of Mormon, looks like your the one who is slow and needs to do a little reading before opening your dumb, ignorant, mouth!

So politics which Bible do you read?

21st Century King James Version
American Standard Version
Amplified Bible
Common English Bible
Contemporary English Version
Darby Translation
Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition
Easy-to-Read Version
English Standard Version
English Standard Version Anglicised
GOD’S WORD Translation
Good News Translation
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Holman Christian Standard Bible NT
J.B. Phillips New Testament
King James Version
Lexham English Bible
New American Standard Bible
New Century Version
New International Reader's Version
New International Version
New International Version - UK
New International Version 1984
New King James Version
New Life Version
New Living Translation
The Message
Today's New International Version
Today's New International Version
Worldwide English (New Testament)
Wycliffe Bible
Young's Literal Translation

You do realize that EVERY Christian religion has their own version of the Bible which is based on the interpretation that best follows their beliefs. All of the Bible's that have been published are based on an individual/group's interpretation. Unless you are reading the original Hebrew scripture written on scroll, called the Pentateuch, or Torah scroll which is over 150 ft long, then you too are reading someones interpretation. A scroll that has been rewritten time and time again for over 3500 years.

All religions have their own book other than the Bible written by a leader of their church that is is used for Biblical Studies, which the Book of Mormon is used for. So, I suggest before you criticize someone's Biblical study book, which all religions use, or if you know absolutely nothing about that book, (which clearly you don't know anything about the Book of Mormon since you have to ask what it its), you'd be better served doing some researching yourself. Because frankly you look real dumb right now.

Many people today use religion as a means to validate their transgressions. There are those who don't believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God. Muslims believe he was only a prophet. Yet, He raised the dead, healed the sick, made the lame walk, the blind see, and many other miracles, and I know of no other prophet throughout history who was able to perform any such miracles, but his greatest miracle was revealing the Truth to all people throughout the world by revealing the Word of God. That revelation cost him his life, because then as now, people don't want to hear the Truth. I once spoke to a Muslim gentleman and asked him why Muslims thought Jesus was not the Son of God, and he told me that God didn't need a Son, that Jesus was never crucified, and that his offspring are living today. I then asked him why that if God wanted to create a Son and send Him into the world to reveal his Truth and as a sacrafice for the sins of all mankind that he couldn't do that if he wanted to. That young man simply smiled and walked away, because he knew that to deny that God is capable of anything is considered blasphemy in any religion. I can tell you that a revelation is coming that will prove that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and I am optimistic that when it is revealed, people will believe before it is too late to amend their beliefs and change their ways.

The Bible is the oldest "book" known to man, and it has survived throughout the centuries, and its Truth will be heard throughout the world. It was originally written in Hebrew and there are literal translations of the Hebrew into English for anyone who has the time, interest, and initiative to read and study it. I keep hearing people say that Biblical teachings are dependent on interpretation, but I can tell you that if people only literally followed the Ten Commandments, the world would be a much better place, and I can assure you those commandments are simple enough for anyone with a brain to understand. The problem is that most people don't even bother to read the Bible, so how can they study it or understand the Word of God. The Bible wasn't written to justify sin through one verse or passage. It was written to reveal the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth in its entirety.

Jesus taught love, kindness, charity, honesty, morality, and many other commandments of his Father. Yet, people today advocate hatred, killing, stealing, lying, immorality and many other evils. It is not left to mankind to judge man. It is God who will judge all on Judgement Day, and each will be judged according to his deeds while here on this earth and none of those deeds can be hidden from God, even when they are performed in secret, in darkness, or behind closed doors. The Truth will stand when the earth is melting, and no man on the face of this earth has the power to change that fact. Faith and intelligence should tell anyone that Jesus never advocated killing in the name of war, stealing in the name of financial gain, or hating your enemies, even though there are those who would have us believe otherwise. People have simply lost Faith and become less Godly, and it is impossible to serve both man and God. Many people today have made the decision to serve man instead of serving God, and their spiritual reward will be rendered accordingly. If you believe you possess a soul, Jesus himself asked a couple questions in Mark, Chapter 8. What profiteth a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul? What would he give in exchange for his soul? If one soul is more valuable than the entire world, what is the value of all the souls on the face of the earth. As anyone can see, the price Jesus paid is immeasureable, but he was more than willing to pay it, and we should live our lives according to God's teachings.

You do realize that EVERY Christian religion has their own version of the Bible which is based on the interpretation that best follows their beliefs.

Wrong!

Most denominations accept most translations of the Bible. They have a tendency to promote the NIV because it is in modern English. Some Independent Church only accept one version. Catholics used to have their own approved versions, but accept most versions.

Mormon is the only major denomination that promotes there own writings as important as the Bible.

The reason for so many versions of the Bible is because there is no direct translation in English words for many concepts and actions as written in the Greek or Hebrew. There are so many ways these concepts could be translated and still be correct.

It's a real treat to have and actual greek scholar go through the Bible and explain how one translation in one are is probably closer than the translation of another. No Translation captures the original language entirely correctly.

Also it should be noted we have the bible available from ancient writings. Written in a language that can be understood because it is found elsewhere. We can check the translations against the original manuscripts.

The book of Mormon was translated from Gold plates that no longer exist. Written in Reformed Egyptian, a language that doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. There is no way to check the accuracy of the translation. There is no way to even see if there ever were gold plates. It is as trustworthy as Scientology.

Another odd thing is the translation is written in the language of King James even though that was not the English used anywhere at the time, especially in America.

All that being said, religion should NEVER be a factor in an election.

Yes, his warm compassion is overwhelming.

Good luck selling that soap, sister.

Yeah, nice job for his rich partner at Bain, too bad he's not worried about the poor. After all, the poor have a safety net and if that's broke, Romney will fix it. sure.

You anti-Romney people are just miserable knowing that not only will he be the Republican nominee, but your boy, Curious George, will be ousted as the worst president in our nation's history....hopefully, it's not too late for Romney to save the nation from the destruction wrought by liberal thinking....

Romney is a hard working man, and yes all the information Mimi posted is true. I was a Democrat in MA when Romney was our Gov., I switched parties after seeing him in action. He got rid of all the waste here and we had money to spare.

Romney doesn't have to worry abot the poor, they have entitlements and are taken care of. We middle class are the ones he has to worry about; losing our houses, losing jobs ,paying high taxes and supporting illegals and those who should not be on entitlements. Romney will straighten out this country.

Way to go rottimom - jumping on the "we don't have to worry about the poor" bandwagon. That's right, we don't have to worry about them. They have it good, huh? Nothing like a few entitlements to make being poor a good way of life. Besides, they're poor, after all. I know, they are all poor because of some character flaw, some weakness, and/or more-than-some laziness, right? We should save our compassion for those more deserving, like the middle class. After all, their lot in life is someone else's fault, not because of some personal flaw. I know, let's blame illegals for the lot of life of the middle class!! You have it all figured out, huh?

jimsepa - If you have this belief that all the people of a capitalistic democracy are all going to have good paying jobs, then you are highly misguided. Your dream of equal pay, entitlements, etc. only exists in a socialistic government. Good luck...

Thank you mimi. The problem is; the blind just will not see.

Big Paul, you're putting words in my mouth and quite frankly you really summed up my thoughts on capitalism completely wrong. Despite the rhetoric from the right, a lot of us liberals believe in capitalism and we do not believe that all people will or should have good (equal) paying jobs, a house, cars, etc. Where we diverge is how we deal with (or neglect) Americans that are in need. Capitalism doesn't have to equate to lack of compassion and in fact our stature as the richest nation on earth dictates that we help our own that are in need of help.

Well stated. Religeous differences aside. Political differences aside. Character counts. Some people say Romney is too plastic, I say he is a polite and proper. Not everyone has to be bombastic to be a good president. Look what we got when Clinton was elected, he wasn't "plastic" but he had the morals of an alley cat. Character counts.

I'm sorry, but not all of the poor get government help. Mainly because you have to consider that the economy is in such @!$%# with inflation (etc) that the poverty line for income, in reality, is much higher than it actually is on paper. Which means, even those who aren't eligible for help, yet are clearly among the poor are getting @!$%#ed by the rich and the very, very poor.

Solution: BALANCE THE DAMN BUDGET, GET OUT OF THE WAR, STOP BORROWING MONEY FROM THE FED, GET RID OF USELESS FEDERAL AGENCIES THAT DO NOTHING MORE THAN REGULATE

People talk about "poor" people as if it's a permanent state, like it's in their blood or something. Everyone hits hard times and you help them out when they do, but this talk about "poor" people as if your helping a group of people that is stuck poor is silly.
Jimsepa, agreed, capitalism doesn't have to equate to lack of compassion, and yes we are the richest nation, no it doesn't dictate that we help our own, an individual should dictate he helps another. Our nation is the richest and if you look, you will find out, also the most generous, just because the news doesn't report it, doesn't mean it's not happening.

Some great quotes:

“A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.”

“One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results.”

“The Great Depression, like most other periods of severe unemployment, was produced by government mismanagement rather than by any inherent instability of the private economy.”

“If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand.”

“Many people want the government to protect the consumer. A much more urgent problem is to protect the consumer from the government.”

“Most of the energy of political work is devoted to correcting the effects of mismanagement of government.”

“Even the most ardent environmentalist doesn't really want to stop pollution. If he thinks about it, and doesn't just talk about it, he wants to have the right amount of pollution. We can't really afford to eliminate it - not without abandoning all the benefits of technology that we not only enjoy but on which we depend.”

“The great virtue of a free market system is that it does not care what color people are; it does not care what their religion is; it only cares whether they can produce something you want to buy. It is the most effective system we have discovered to enable people who hate one another to deal with one another and help one another.”

“We do not influence the course of events by persuading people that we are right when we make what they regard as radical proposals. Rather, we exert influence by keeping options available when something has to be done at a time of crisis.”

yes Mimi you are quite right Mitt was the man of the hour. What a nice story right. It is nice when you have connections. Your daughter or son can be saved when you know the right people. If not good luck. I have been employed by PriceWhaterhouseCoopers and believe me if you are not a partner no way would this happen!!! Not Unless you have an account with them. And that is not $1,000.00. That firm will eat you alive. It is quite a bit more about who you know than is apparent. If it were us and my daughter were missing I would be looking on my own with have to answer for my job as well.

Politicsforeveryone, I don't disagree with most of what you say, except that we, as individuals, are the government (in theory at least, not always in practice). So, what the government does or doesn't do is a direct reflection of us. The fact that we are the most generous nation says we historically valued being a generous nation and helping those that need it. You can argue that it has gotten out of hand and we can no longer sustain this level of help and I may even agree with you. But government itself doesn't have to be all evil just as government doesn't have to solve all of our problems. Government should reflect our values, nothing more and nothing less.

Religion is irrelevant to candidate qualifications. 90 - 95% of Mormons supported Romney in Nevada. Religion is irrelevant to candidate qualifications, unless of course if you are are Mormon.

Want it both ways?

Look..every single morman is voting for Romney. Does that say something? I think it does. It says that they will vote for not for the issues but for the guy. Romney really has no chance in beating Obama but I think it is funny that he wasting all this money trying. I dont think Obama needs to spend a dime but they will spend millions just to prove to the right that this guy ISNT your guy to be the next potus. bty where did all of Romneys charitable contributions go....yep the church(morman). A calculated writeoff that is.

I'm pretty sure most Catholics voted for Kennedy.

There are Mormons that won't be voting for Mit.

That would make me more "independent" than you Stan,, I judge myself ------ I got tired of waiting for God to judge anyone especially conservatives who throw out his Commandments & the "Sermon on the Mound"

OBAMA -- BIDEN 2012 ------ PROGRESS AMERICA NEEDS

Romney's "LET THEM FAIL" & "ALLOW HOMEOWNERS TO LOSE THEIR MORTGAGES" is NOT AN ECONOMICALLY VIABLE SOUTLION

"wrong to listen to what opponents are saying,"

OK, I won't listen to you.

Jim, you're a sick lad.....no sense in conversing with you....

Staneve,: "Just think about our Country before....how things were better" Really? So let's do just that. Hmmmm. Before: Two wars started, one based on complete and outright lies; both implemented so poorly we are still dealing with them ten years later. Thousands and thousands of people dead. Billions and billions of dollars wasted. Hmmmmm. Before: A financial crisis unlike any we have seen in our lifetime, and almost the worst in American history. I know, we can't blame Bush forever; after all, Obama "owns" these messes. Lucky for us he DOES own them and is cleaning up the messes of the Country "before"...

Obama/Biden 2012

Jim, you're one of the few liberals I know who've actually gotten off the "It's Bush's Fault Train".....you're to be commended for that. Apparently, we all want to take care of the sick, indigent...those who "can't" work for themselves. We separate as to how to do it....but, I would hope everyone's on the same page when we're talking about those who "won't" work. If you don't believe that this country has "generations" of those who expect "the little red hen" to do everything for them.....there's our difference.

Also, what, exactly, do you see as a "mess" that the Obama administration has cleaned up?? I'm not saying that there aren't a lot, but enlighten me as to what he's done for us. Obamacare doesn't count...and will probably be repealed on principle. Don't look now, but we're perceived in a pretty sorry state to the rest of the world.

I can't believe we agree on something. I don't think there are many people that want to support those that just don't want to work. If someone can figure out how to get them off the books without completely throwing out programs that are supposed to help, then we all win. I don't know how at this point.

You're also correct, Obamacare doesn't count. There should have been a public option, which was described by health care experts and economists as the primary way to curb costs and get people insured. As normal, politics got in the way.

Primary mess that President Obama is cleaning up: the economy. Not only did we NOT go into a Depression, but we are out of the Recession. A lot, not all, but a lot, of economic indicators are looking good. It wasn't pretty and a lot of people didn't like how it was done. But it was done and we are on our way back.

You know, the depression of '29 was infinitely milder with a country half our size. Our finincial "infrastructure" is a lot stronger now, than they ever could imagine back then. So another depression was not as likely. So, to say we didn't fall into a "depression" is not to say we're not in dire straits right now. I would really like to see some "evidences" on how "we're on our way back". The job rate down to 8.5%?---I don't think so. It's been reported that people are so depressed that they're no longer reporting their work status. I just looks like jobs are getting better, when in fact, people have given up hope. Not something I'd want on my resume, Mr. Obama. No, he didn't cause all of it, but he did swear to turn it around......I don't see anything. Ask the people on welfare---who used to have jobs, if it's getting better....

Jim, how can we expect to still believe in Obama's "progress"? What sort of progress has he made?

Minus, you ask a question that is repeatedly asked by the anti-Obama camp, however, any answer is discounted as biased news reporting, lies, or attributed to Republican actions. With that being said, we forget that the country was headed for a complete and total financial meltdown. This was averted. Not only was it averted, but several financial indicators are trending positively - anyone with a 401K plan knows this to be true. We also forget that about 4 years ago, the economy was loosing about 750,000 jobs a month. We are now consistently gaining jobs every month. I know some don't like the fact that the government stepped in and saved the American auto industry, but the fact still stands that the auto industry is getting stronger and stronger every day. Of course we could have just let it die, but what good would that have done? Let's stand on principle rather than do what is needed to help keep a major driver (no pun intended) of the economy viable. To me, there's also an American pride to the auto industry - what a shame it would be to loose it. Yea, you can argue that it's not the responsibility of the government to interfere with business and had it backfired the tax payers would be on the hook and President Obama could be truly criticized. But it worked - high risk, high rewards. People got their jobs back and plants are reopening.

On a personal note, my job is more secure than it was three years ago and the prices of my houses are rebounding. My 401K is definitetly better than it was. I am sure my situation is not unique, so there are real tangibles showing recovery.

No one is saying more doesn't have to be done; of course more needs to be done. But it is disingenuous to say no progress has been made.

I could go on and on. You asked a question and I answered it. Still, I don't expect acknowledgment from the anti-Obama camp that President Obama played any role in what I just wrote, or that the anti-Obama camp will even believe that it is real. It is what it is. People will interpret it however they want to.

What if President Obama had evaded paying taxes by putting millions in offshore accounts? What if President Obama was a 3 time philanderer? The GOP would be having seizures. Yet when it's their party it's perfectly acceptable?

Nomore, people lie to pollsters, just as they lie to those idiots taking exit polls. They lie on polls period. No, not all people lie, in fact the vast majority, but those posters you see sure haven't given Ron Paul a ton of votes. Same for Santorum.

Stick a fork in Ron Paul, Rick Sanitarium, they're done.

Actually Jackieboy, I've been a little sceptical of the pollsters too, but to date, they've been pretty close to recent outcomes!

Marco Rubio.

Not bad, not bad.. he's got the whole Latino thing going for him, very current. Okay, so keep him away from all negativity starting now! No complaining about Obama or that junk, just stay in the middle of the road, and Bob's his uncle!

He's already told Mitt AND Newt, that he won't do it!.....next?

Remember this is for 2016 now.. we're assuming Obama will be departing on a triumphant note after '16, with the economy in full recovery, no wars, peace in the Middle East and cancer cured. The Repubs are going to need a very strong candidate to take the White House....

No signs of Obama's successes so far.... Obama better get crackin or the mental flatliners who make up his constituency will be eating a lot of crow!

the mental flatliners

Haha, never heard that one.. but, at least they are all equal, equality is very patriotic in America!

Wow, Doug...

You really do believe what MSNBC tells ya...

Unemployment down? REALLY? Only because so many workers have LEFT the work force, and given up under the crappy economy Obama presides over....

Do you even know that the CBO is warning NOT to read too much into this "good" unemployment number because of that- and they fully expect unemployment to INCREASE later this year, and remain high??? Or are you incapable of learning the facts behind the numbers spin?

The work force utilization rate is at it's LOWEST level since the 1940's...praise Obama...

The TRUE unemployment rate- when you count the workers that have given up- is around 12%...

This is fact, not MSNBC spin for the Campaigner in Chief.

Filled your gas tank lately, or been shopping at the grocery store. Probably not, since you think things are so GREAT. Hey, all thanks to Obama's domestic energy policy.

Let's not even talk about the way he spends money we don't have like an 18 year old with Daddy's credit card.

All the Libs can do is grab desperately at any scrap of news that can be construed as "positive" at this point, and hang Obama's hat on it. Wow, the stock market is up (which has nothing at all to do with the domestic economy), and one month of decent job numbers...I'm really impressed.

Ha Ha Ha Ha I'm laughing so hard right now! Where did you get all your expertice from? Are you an expert on Romney's work at Bain until he left? What is your background that makes you are expert or again are you just repeating what you have heard without looking into the facts? Parrots do that?

Good job interpreting his eyes. Now take your meds and go to bed.

Make no mistake! When Romney gets into office there will be many jobs lost.....most of them in the recently expanded govenment, along with the Czars and all the other trash Obama drug onto Capitol Hill!

Romney is not even the nominee and you already giving excuses for him about failing his supposed Presidency... what a crook!!!

Texson, Funny things about those "Czars". Up to and including President Clinton, each administration had about 8 or fewer "Czars". Guess how many President Bush had? Thirty-something, similar to President Obama. So, please, just once, I wish rightwingnuts would gripe about something significant or maybe even Obama-specific. All this junk is right in line with the "birther" nonsense.

Larry - The anti-Christ is currently in Oval Office . Better try next time...

Ahhh, come on BigPaul. When a Democrat becomes president, he MUST be the antichrist. Democratic presidents have been labeled the antichrist throughout our history. Guess what. They leave office and the world still spins, they don't grow horns or breath fire. Besides, I can't imagine the antichrist trying to get everyone in the nation health care, even if you don't agree with the method.

Ya drew me in, Jim.....and I thought I was conversing with a serious political commentator. "Rightwing Nuts", huh? Oh well, hence the giant gulf that exists between our ideals....so sad....you actually sounded "respectable" for a moment....

Ahhhh, I never professed to be perfect. So I throw in a few digs in here and there; our ideals aren't that far apart - re-read some of your posts and I think you will find a few anti-liberal digs here and there.

larry, that's what I like, another igorent (sic) southerner. with pathetic people like you who think this is a christian nation, why even have a constitution and bill of rights. "freedom of religion" is just a trio of words, huh? don't mean nuthin' unless yur a WASP, huh? enythin' else is just hog wash, huh? so all you evangelicals and born agins who speak in tongues and go to faith healin's....well that's all real, huh? and all of you evangelicals and born agins who believed in the teachings of oral roberts and jim and tammy fay baker and all the other hucksters out there, they are true to their beliefs, huh? maybe you should join todd palin and tryh to secede from the union. the rest of us won't mind.

Fair enough, Jim, I guess our emotions get the best of all of us....

have you forgotten that Obama sit at the feet of Jeremiah Wright for 20 years?

I hope your not the same Larry from NC that use to date my wife. Even I give you credit for being smarter than that.

First of all ,we are not a "christian anything" if you'd bother to read the First Amendment of our Constutition and I'd like to KEEP it that way if you please and as for YOU Floyd, put the Wright crap away. It's over FOURS years old and high time you Obama haters get some new material. Tall order I know but see if your "writers" can get you trolls some new material anyway. This stuff is boring the crap out of me and fooling no one anymore who can see right through you people. Your pollution on these sites is so "obvious". You're a dime a dozen with the numbers after your names and the tired old rants and spew.
Karl Rove must be too busy to give you guys "new stuff".

The founder of their church was assassinated for sending a gang of thugs to destroy a newspaper that was printing political campaign ads for his opposition.

They have always aspired to run things. Worse than the damn GOP.