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A weeklong firestorm over the Susan G. Komen foundation's decision to cut off -- and, on Friday, restore -- a grant to Planned Parenthood marked one of the high points in a political battle targeting the finances of the nationwide network of reproductive health clinics.
The Komen Foundation, the largest and most visible breast cancer charity in the U.S., announced on Friday that it would honor its six-figure grants to Planned Parenthood after having announced earlier in the week that it had decided to halt its support for the group. Komen had cited the fact that Planned Parenthood faced a congressional investigation -- in this case, led by conservative House Republicans -- as the impetus for its initial decision.
"We have been distressed at the presumption that the changes made to our funding criteria were done for political reasons or to specifically penalize Planned Parenthood," Komen founder and CEO Nancy G. Brinker said in a statement.
Brinker reversed the group's initial decision, and amended Komen's grant criteria to only exclude groups under criminal investigation. Brinker said Komen would honor its existing grants to Planned Parenthood and preserve their eligibility to apply for future grants.
Planned Parenthood is a group that provides a number of services to women under the banner of reproductive health. The clinics nationwide provide contraception and health screening, including for breast cancer. Komen's grants are meant to support the cancer screening.
But Planned Parenthood also provides abortions to women, drawing the ire of opponents of abortion rights, including a number of Republican members of Congress.
The reversal was only the culmination of a weeklong battle that intertwined politics and health issues; but the fight over Planned Parenthood's funding was hardly new to the political arena.
House Republicans voted in February of 2011 -- shortly after they had been sworn into office, and retaken the majority in that chamber -- to strip federal funding of Planned Parenthood, acting on a campaign promise they had made during the campaign in 2010.
That vote, on an amendment by Indiana Rep. Mike Pence attached to a government funding bill, evolved into a central sticking point of the April fight between House Republicans and President Obama which almost led to a government shutdown. Republicans, led by House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), had pushed the restriction ostensibly as part of a larger effort to cut spending from the federal budget. But President Obama held firm in opposition to the Planned Parenthood cuts, though Republicans were ultimately successful in including an effort to ban the use of federal funds to subsidize abortion procedures in Washington, D.C.
The issue resurfaced in October of 2011, when Florida Rep. Cliff Stearns (R), the chairman of the Oversight and Investigations subcommittee of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, launched an investigation into Planned Parenthood, and whether the group had impermissably used federal funds to pay for abortions.
It was that investigation which the Komen foundation had initially cited in its decision to cut off funding to Planned Parenthood.
Supporters of abortion rights also pointed to Komen's hiring of Karen Handel, a former Republican gubernatorial candidate in Georgia who opposes funding Planned Parenthood, for the breast cancer charity's initial decision this week to cancel its grant.
"Karen did not have anything to do with this decision. This was decided at the board level, and by our mission," Brinker said Thursday on MSNBC.
But for as much the Komen foundation fought off the perception that its decision was politically motivated, its decision led to familiar dividing lines.
"Politics should never come between women and their health care, and I am very glad that Komen did the right thing and reversed their misguided and deeply damaging decision," Washington Sen. Patty Murray, a top Democrat in the Senate, said in reaction to Friday's announcement.
And EMILY's List, a group that works to elect Democratic women who support abortion rights, had rallied its supporters behind the fight against the original Komen decision.
"Our brave women in the Senate are already standing up to Susan G. Komen for the Cure, signing on to a letter urging them to reverse this politically motivated decision and restore their grants to Planned Parenthood," the group's president, Stephanie Schriock, said in a statement. "Weeks like this one just highlight the absolutely critical need for women’s voices to be heard in Congress."
Conservative Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) lauded the decision, which he had originally urged in a letter to Brinker last year.
"This is a welcome, long-overdue decision that will make Komen more effective in the fight against breast cancer," Vitter said in a statement earlier this week. " Komen does tremendous good by supporting education and research to fight breast cancer, and it was clear that their association with Planned Parenthood was unnecessary to advance that core mission."
Vitter said after Friday's announcement: "While Komen now claims that they don’t want their mission to be ‘marred by politics,’ unfortunately it seems that Komen caved to political pressure from the pro-abortion movement and its enforcers in the media."
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So the greedy hypocrites gave in to the weeping women-haters. Komen will continue to fund abortions which leads to more cancer (and suicide) which leads to more reason to support Komen fundraising. It's a self-creating cruel circle.
I had just added Komen to my charity list, after they'd stopped promoting cancer while claiming that they were fighting in. Should've known it was just another scam!
I think we'll all survive without your 5 cents, Indy TX.
What? Abortion leads to cancer and suicide? Please cite your sources.
WOOOOOW, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT ? Some of you will say anything, ANYTHING.
Indy TX - very clear you have no idea what you are the "women-hater". you are obviously another one of those righties with your nose up every woman's "business". Please spend more time taking care of your own business and stay out of places that are none of your business. Give to the charities you feel are worthy, for whatever reason, and do the humble thing by keeping it to yourself. The attempts by the right to legislate morality are chipping away at women's rights and women's health care. I know that is the underlying goal, but you will not win. We are not going to stay home and be sperm-bank baby-machines with no control over our own health and destiny.
I am so proud of the people offended by the original Komen decision. Just shows what we can do when we raise our voices in protest. Thank you electronic media - twenty years ago people would have just had to "suck it up" - no more, now we can be heard!
It is sad when women's health becomes a political punching bag. The funds that PP received from Komen went to preventive screenings, NOT birth control or abortions. Yet the Rs are perfectly willing to attack PP for political purposes.
I wonder what will happen to the Komen foundation, now that they have inserted themselves into the political arena? For so long, they managed to stay out of the fray. Now they have sullied a pristine brand by engaging in politics.
The Republican party (cockroach party) has been on the wrong side of everything from Social Security, ridiculous wars, equal rights, civil liberties, church-state separation, consumer issues, public education, reproductive freedom, national health care, labor issues, gun policy, campaign-finance reform, the environment and tax fairness.
No political party could remain so consistently wrong by accident....vote each and every one of these clowns out come Nov...the Party of NO is killing us, they are redusing us to a bunch of bums
First of all, the money Komen was giving to Planned Parenthood was never used for abortions, it was used for breast cancer screenings which are also done by PP. Second. there is absolutely no evidence to support your outrageous claims that abortions cause cancer and depression. I personally do not think that abortion should be used as a form of birth control and should only be used in cases of rape, incest, or to protect the health of the mother. However, I am evolved enough not to try and force my opinions on other people. The choice to have an abortion is a very personal one and no one other than the woman and her family have any right sticking their noses into that decision. I am glad to see that Komen reversed their position instead of caving to a politically motivated witch hunt by some right wing politicians. Anyone with a brain knows that the investigation of PP is a politically motivated joke and to give any credence to it was a disgrace.
What a cynical, crappy comment.
Yes, sources would be awesome. Statistics like: Abortion constitutes only 3% of what they do. Funny how people like you, Indy, want to protect a soulless fetus for all your worth but coudn't care less if a poor person dies from breast cancer. And yet, you continue to maintain moral high ground. Makes me wish there was a hell...
Ignorants is what hurts this country. Republicans show time and time again, that people don't matter, just money. I hope that the KOMEN foundation have learned their lesson and stay clear of all political matters.
Frisky, 'tis the far-Right "value-system" that is skewed - it is skewed in favor of white anglo saxon self proclaimed Christians with very small minds and no concept of what "freedom" and "rights" really are as guaranteed by our Constitution. The value system you refer to believes it is ok to deny people rights under the law because you disagree with the laws. If you don't want an abortion, don't have one. If you choose to allow yourself or someone you know/love to die from complications during a pregnancy, that is your choice. If you choose to deny basic health care to women who can't otherwise afford it, don't contribute to Planned Parenthood or any organization that helps provide such health care. As for tax dollars, you righties pound loud about your taxes not going to that evil healthcare provider. I would like to say the same about my dollars going to various wars. I don't want my taxes to fund war, I don't want my taxes to fund private schools, I don't want my tax dollars to subsidize oil companies, I don't want my tax dollars to do many things, but I try not to make an idiot of myself about it. It's part of paying taxes and being a citizen of this country.
As for oxymoron - labeling the Right with that word is the oxymoron. Most of the "Right" couldn't possibly be more wrong.
I think SGK owes an apology to all the people they bilked out of donations by not saying they funded PP. I would never have donated if I knew they funded PP.
Has anyone considered the idea that money given as charity, real honest charitable contributions, shouldn't have strings attached? I give to charitable organizations that represent good works, without saying you can have this money if you only spend it this way not that way. It isn't truly a gift if it has conditions, is it. when I give money to the ASPCA I don't do so with the condition they not use it to rescue abandoned reptiles, despite the fact I would never have a snake in my house. I let the occasional Republican in, but only for a few minutes, if its really cold outside.
Frisky, you are quite obviously on some kind of FOX mainline. The majority of the people in this country are not far right, they are really moderate. I am a moderate. We believe in individual freedom that is not restricted by some Christian mythology or other. We believe you have the right to choose your church, but not choose my church. You can choose the course of your own medical care, but not mine. You want smaller government, but you want to dictate who can sleep with whom, and who can marry whom. The nation as a whole will not put up with that. Republican governors are being recalled, Republican state level representatives are being recalled, and the independents are not impressed with the sad choices being offered by the Republicans for president. Have you noticed that the really good, sane, and more or less honest Republicans have stayed away from this one? They will come out in 2016, and it will be a welcome change to have sanity and intelligence restored. It has been a long time coming for the Republicans. You can stay in your dream world, but you will wake up one day in a country run by reason, not Right Wing Wing-Nuts.
We all know that NOTHING is free. We all know that each one has the right to live, but the "free" services we recieve from these institutions are not at all our rights. It is a priviledge. Komen is doing this to save lives on it's own free will. PP is also doing thier job to save lives and unfortunately murder lives too. It is not in any case our right to murder our babies for the convenience of having sex for if not for promiscous sex that we have this blood on our hands. Then we kill it, not for health but for convenience. If an institution saves lives, it should not cancel it's good deed by murdering another. Knowing that I may have my life extended by an institution that makes money also by killing babies will forever be in my conscience. Do we value life? Do we tolerate murder as ordinary as changing our underware? If we were in the womb and we see or feel that sharp metalic scalpel severing our limbs, we too will try to ward it off but with what? our other limb? This is what we have become. Callous, angry, numb, just to have our free mammogram. Other institutions do that too. There are other pregnancy centers who value life. Komen will find other more compliant institutions out there who will do a better job. I knew people who previously worked with PP and it's all just business and profit for them. C'mon, do you think they actually do this because they care? People who care do not murder the helpless. We still have our choice. Nobody can take that aways from us, but consequences are always attached to it. We cannot correct a wrong (oops I'm pregnant, don't mean that.) with another wrong. (Let's just abort it.) We did not create this life. We just don't have the power to give life as we should not terminate one. Life comes from God, it is not for us to toy about it. Soon ours will end no matter how much mammogram we have and when we are in our death bed and it's our turn, we pray that we did not vote, or support or have any means to murder a beautiful gift of life from God so that we can die peacefully without guilt. It's not about the republicans or the democrats, It's not about the money, where it goes, who it goes to? bottom line is LIFE! If we value life, we know where we stand. If it's about ourselves, we know where we stand. If it's about the future, for the children are our future, we know where we stand. Angry comments, sarcasm, insults, do not solve anything but just reflects who we really are. When we die, we die alone. We know the consequences of our actions. Cause and effect. We reap what we sow. This law is like the law of gravity. It exists and no one can deny it. And it works. And I know people who have clinically died and came back to life. Their experiences are similar to some extent, then to two different opposite experiences. So I believe in life after death, and I rather believe it and find out that it doesn't exist, rather than not believe it and find out later that it does exist. In any case, we should know where we stand. Regrets are preventable. We want our life, the babies want theirs too.
It was a 'cow pie' that the foundation needlessly stepped in and the executive board of SGK should be removed for this act of gross stupidity alone.
In other words, unless you really like getting clawed and then covered in poop and feathers DO NOT throw the cat among the pigeons.
Breakeven - abortion is not murder, and it is none of your business. I know you anti-abortion do-gooders like to think you have the right to control other peoples lives (I mean already born people, so get off that soap box before you get on it) but you don't. Women do not become property of the state the moment they conceive, much as you would like them to be. Go to church, pray for the aborted babies, pray for the women who find themselves in need of health care services, pray for the freakin' end of all of us who don't agree with you, but stay the f**k out of every woman's womb. I consider all of you who think you have the right to put your nose up every woman's womb and crawl in bed with every consenting adult nothing but voyeurs.
I don't believe life comes from God, I don't have to believe it. No one has to believe it. I don't believe God has so much free time that he cares if someone has an abortion or not. We were given free will, it is Republicans and self-righteous Christians who want to take free will away from everyone. Go back to church and leave the rest of us alone.
Booyah! Keep your religion/morals and your politics out of my health. And Indy TX, even if the crap-o-la you posted was true, IT WOULD STILL BE MY CHOICE.
Furthermore, one accusation, from one right-wing congressman, does not an investigation make. If his accusations had merit, well than present your evidence and call a hearing. Until than deal.
This isn't liberal/conservative, or political, in any way, shape, or form. We're talking essential civil rights here. The privacy to keep the government out of my body. And don't even try to compare this to Obamacare, health coverage is not the same as health decisions.
Finally, all you "life" people. Can you please prove to me, through credible science and evidence, when life begins? By the way, none of the following is credible evidence... The Bible, your morals, your beliefs, God's word, Jesus's word... You get the drift.
Just realized I left the door open for that lame argument about killing people, breaking laws, etc, etc, is also "free will". I always try to give the benefit of the doubt that people understand that the freedom to choose your own personal destiny is not the same as using that free will to commit crimes against each other or against the earth. Abortion is not a crime and it is not murder, except when your preacher tells you it is. I for one don't believe everything I am told. Too bad so many others do. We would be better off as a nation if more people thought for themselves instead of allowing themselves to be indoctrinated into religious cults that demand their subjects kill abortion care providers, deny women health care, and subject the rest of us to the hatefilled rhetoric.
I have always been tolerant of other beliefs, but now that the Christian right has made it their goal to replace our democracy with a theocracy, I am becoming less and less tolerant. The noise coming from that front is nothing less than tyrannical. It is sounding very Jihadist.
Frisky, I am trying to respect your opinions, but please refrain from referring to me with the term "my friend". I know you don't mean it, and I am insulted. I have many friends and I adore and respect each one of them, even though we don't always agree. You, from what little I know, would never be counted among my friends. I respectfully ask that you not use that term in my direction again, ever.
Continuing...
For all you, "Liberals are shoving their Godless evil ways down my throat" folks, nothing doesn't equal something. Not allowing Christianity to skew our laws (anymore than they already do) isn't infringing on your beliefs. The best analogy I've read about this goes, if you're pushing against a wall and you stop pushing, does that mean the wall is now pushing you? No. (Thanks Indie, that is great!)
If you really want to know what was going on here, follow the money. There's an unholy alliance between special interests and politicians, i.e. money in politics. SGK needs legislation and tax codes that favor them, this congressman needs money and to pander to his base. Voila... Who have the reason for all of this. They're scratching each other's backs.
the money granted doesn't fund abortions ... The comment is a bit off topic. Also though it is your right to choose who you give money to, how much of your donation will be eaten a way with administrative costs?
Doc holiday ~ both parties suffer from that
Tao,
Was that to me?? I'm not talking about funding abortions. I'm talking about funding campaigns and special interest lobbies. SGK takes a stab at PP, for the congressman who helps them out by bringing the accusations, ergo being able to pander to his base. In return SGK gets consideration in legislation by the politician, and the politician gets campaign financing. Of course we won't know for a hot minute, because there's no transparency.
Frisky - Pollyanna? really? I believe it might be you with the Pollyanna world view. You know nothing about me, but I will share with you that I am far removed from any semblance to Pollyanna. Your statement that liberals lie is ridiculous. Liberals and conservatives lie, but not all of us/them. And your assessment about what "we" think is so wrong, it is straight from Fox News. You are the one that needs to get out and talk to people, maybe even get to know a few people you don't agree with.
My husband is a Republican/Libertarian, I am very much a Democrat, but we are able to co-exist quite happily. He does not make sweeping statements that are not true about Democrats, and I do not make sweeping statements about Republicans. I do make sweeping statements about religion, because I believe Christianity will not save this nation but will destroy it. Religion, non-denominational the way it was intended to be, could save the world. But the faith-based politics we are having thrown at us by the ultra conservatives is the beginning of the end.
Frisky,
Perhaps, if you really want to know what "we" think, you should just simply ask???? Hit me with one, come on...
no sarah to the starter of this post block
10-4, Tao.
what is the truth?
If you want people to stay out of the so-called woman's right, the goverment needs to quit funding these murderous places with our money!
So-called women's right? Can you explain, please? If you're speaking of abortion, the government doesn't fund that. The Hyde Amendment prohibits any tax payer money from being used on them. Furthermore, they are only 3% of what PP does. PP is mostly a women's clinic that provides services to those who couldn't otherwise afford them, although they do some men's health also.
reallyamerica: please try to keep up if you're going to post on a subject like this... your ignorance is unbelievable. There are no federal funds paying for abortion (and there haven't been since something called the Hyde amendment in 1976.) Abortion is LEGAL but it is paid for by women themselves, their insurance, and by private funds (such as donations). If you don't want one, then don't have one. We don't follow the Taliban rule here..maybe you haven't heard.
Does anyone know if Komen eliminated funding to Johns Hopkins as well? I was told it was because of stem cell research. If you have any info on this, please post.
Frisky, how about this - refrain from the condescending overtones.
Frisky - you and your kind is the reason I changed my party affiliation from Repub to Independent. If you want to stop wasting your time don't post here, you don't have much to say anyway.
Not one more dime until Komen fires the woman from Georgia who campaigned for governor on a ultra-conservative platform and rallied against Planned Parenthood. Apparently she is delusional enough to believe her actions would have been welcome by the majority of Americans. Gladly and proudly we proved her to be as delusional as we all thought. This woman needs to be fired from her post with Komen until then I will send whatever I can to help Planned Parenthood.
almost as deep as your thoughts
The extremists in this country want to legislate morality plain and simple. However, money talks and we all know what walks. Komen looks like they have revisited their morale ground based on the opinion and feelings of their supporters and the majority. Nothing wrong with that.
And, waiting for Komen to pull funding from Penn State. There is a legitimate criminal investigation going on there, a very serious and real investigation into a heinous crime. Why has Komen not addressed that issue? There is nothing Komen can do to regain support from a significant number of former supporters, I feel very secure in making that statement. The NFL (of which I am a huge fan) has done a great deal to promote this charity to a predominantly male audience in attempt to increase awareness. Until Komen addresses the Penn State issue, there should be a push from the NFL to pull support from Komen. Wouldn't that be interesting?
well, kinda - but you know the only reason they did the about-face is the horrible PR situation they'd managed to create for themselves.
I doubt there was any moral revisiting going on. The internal discussions @ Komen probably went along the lines of "You dumb@ss - fix this. Now. We'll all lose our phony-baloney jobs."
So much for pulling funding from criminal investigations, as they claim is part of their "policy". A bunch of hypocrites, they are.
I think the Supreme Court has ruled on the Oboration Issue. It is not a Morale issue.
It is an Issue that Republicans don't seem to admit that they have been defeated by the Law. They will keep trying to determine what is right/wrong for a Woman to decide for herself. What a selfish position.
ANYONE SMART ENOUGH gives RESTRICTED FUNDS.
SHAME on SGK for not doing this
and SHAME ON THE SGK contributors who never research their charities.
They GOOFED
Big time
And all those SGK protesters ticked off at PP should have looked at Charity Navigator BEFORE they started walking around in pink t-shirts.
Susan G Komen " CAVED " because the fund raisers at Susan G Komen...were watching all those pink ribbon sponsors clamor to pull that logo off everything from yogurt to Estee Lauder makeup, New Balance sneakers, teddy bears, and car magnets.
BEWARE of GOP Politics that concentrate on abortion & gay rights...the American people aren't happy with bigots.
Talk about a selfish position - taking the right away from the unborn baby. Sorry, I know that sounds way too cruel.. unborn fetus. If you like I'll even take it further away from human sounding... zygote. Kid doesn't even get the chance to take his first breath and.. BAM - off with his head. With a parent like that, who needs enemies.
Susan G. Komen Race for the Cure, the breast cancer charity, has warned some groups to stay away from its trademarked phrase, "race for the cure." And look out out if you want to use the color pink.
So far, Komen has identified and filed legal trademark oppositions against more than a hundred of these Mom and Pop charities, including Kites for a Cure, Par for The Cure, Surfing for a Cure and Cupcakes for a Cure--and many of the organizations are too small and underfunded to hold their ground.
MUCH MORE $$$ is spent by SGK on ridiculous lawyering than they EVER GAVE to Planned Parenthood.
First, as a man I should have no voice in women's reproductive rights... although I support the right to a woman's choice. We need to keep politics out of personal decisions. Also, thank you RI MOM for pointing out the crap Race for the Cure does to people that are merely trying to help.
Brian, you are entitled to your opinion. You are NOT entitled to tell me what mine should be.
RIMom is naive if she thinks restricting funds to an organization that funds another organization you don't believe in means anything. The money SGK gives PP for breast cancer just frees other funds to be used for abortions. SGK should have said they were funding PP out in the open then I would not have bought dew wraps, pins and entered poker runs to fund their cause. They will lose my support I'll find another way to donate and will be more careful to investigate where my donations go.
lonereb~ how does funding for PP free up money for abortions? the money granted by komen is use for breast issues. Government funding is used to support other services which does not include funding for abortions. It does free up money used for other services. However abortion is not one of them.
Brian: if you want to call abortion "shameful" and a zygote an "unborn baby" you go right ahead. That still doesn't allow you to insist women abide by the BRIAN rules...we don't need the Taliban right wing telling women of America what they can and cannot do. It's legal. Deal with it.
Nobody is "pro-abortion". Nobody. Really sick of that label when all we really want is for the government to stay out of our personal lives. Why don't conservatives get behind THAT part of "smaller government"?
I really can't understand the position of so-called pro-life proponents whose concern about people's lives seems to stop as soon as they are born. These people have no problem killing people in endless wars, denying them health care, worker protections, minimum wage, social security and medicare, and even good educations. They have no problem frying them in the electric chair even when there's a boatload of doubt. But mess with an embryo and they go beserk. What kind of person who blathers on and on about an embryo and protecting life at the moment of conception segues into cheering about letting a person die who doesn't have health insurance? How does one reconcile such extreme statements of love for life and zeal for death? These are the same people who want to abolish regulation...except when it comes to controlling a woman's body and forcing her to have children no matter the circumstances. These are the people who don't care about the poor, who have no problem with kicking people out of their houses when they lose their jobs and onto the streets, but can't bear to see an embryo lose the opportunity to grow up and be imprisoned for life for smoking weed.
These people are nutso! And the Komen Foundation is nutso for betraying its own mission to provide support for women's health issues on the basis of some trumped up inquiry by a silly Republican male. We are now living in Bizarre-o World for sure.
It is an election year and once again the GOP rolls out thier cart of horrors. They are gonna get your guns, they are going to kill all the babies,they are all on welfare, they are going to kill God. If the GOP truely wanted abortion illegal they have had the presidency and the majority many times and had many opportunities to legislate thier issues. When the war is over the army goes home and without these issues they are just a group of angry elitists.Take away the choice and gun control issues which basically are paper tigers and the GOP is out of business.Iowa 3 years ago under a Democratic Governor and both houses controlled by Democrats passed legislation allowing conceal carry and removing almost all restrictions on firearms. The GOP was still screaming ," They are gonna take away your guns." The Joe Sixpacks where still marching to the polls to vote those gun stealing Democrats out of office.
@RI mom - the funds SGK gave to PP were restricted funds to be used for breast exam/cancer screenings, and that is what PP uses the funds for. SGK didn't defund because they thought/allege that PP used the funds provided for something other than intended, they defunded because the changes in the regime there included hiring people who put their political views before the charity's mission.
Two things point to SGK's lies and hypocrisy when claiming politics is not an issue:
ever hear of a shell game Tao if the budget is so much and the money you give covers one section of a pie chart the other money goes to the other sections if your money isn't there then they have to take money from other donations to cover that slice. Got it now.
OUwhine
"The extremists in this country want to legislate morality plain and simple."
Actually the extremists have no moral values. They think they should be able to do whatever they want, regardless of the lives they destroy. They want to end religion, except for Islam, which is a direct contradiction to all they preach.
Jesus may never return. Why should he? Most who claim they believe in him continue to sin, Those who don't believe always sinned. But Islam is ok because they are only about killing everyone not Islam. It is written in the Koran but the stupid are too lazy to read it. They want to believe that only a few are the problem, but will realize that it is not the few when they start killing all infidels everywhere once they get a strong foothold.
They do not believe in abortion either nor do any religious people. The atheists don't believe in anything except government, government is their god, as long as it provides for them to continue their sinful ways. Ever hear of birth control? Condoms, pills, sterilization? All are a lot cheaper than abortion or having children to get free $ from those who actually pay taxes.
Komen shouldn't have caved. There are plenty of resources outside of PP. Unfortunately, most of those depending on PP are the same ones who will never take responsibility for their own actions.
Breast cancer is a serious issue, but PP is almost a non-issue in the answer. 600k from a 271 million org as a grant is a non issue. Obama pisses that away in seconds on his campaigning at taxpayer expense.
sam23-2966130
"It is an election year and once again the GOP rolls out thier cart of horrors. They are gonna get your guns, they are going to kill all the babies,they are all on welfare, they are going to kill God. If the GOP truely wanted abortion illegal they have had the presidency and the majority many times and had many opportunities to legislate thier issues. When the war is over the army goes home and without these issues they are just a group of angry elitists.Take away the choice and gun control issues which basically are paper tigers and the GOP is out of business.Iowa 3 years ago under a Democratic Governor and both houses controlled by Democrats passed legislation allowing conceal carry and removing almost all restrictions on firearms. The GOP was still screaming ," They are gonna take away your guns." The Joe Sixpacks where still marching to the polls to vote those gun stealing Democrats out of office."
It seems your biggest issue is with gun control. You have a right not to have one. You don't have a right to deny anyone else of the choice.
Of course you are all about choice, as long as it fits your political preferences. Otherwise, you have no problem denying others of their choice or rights. At least try to not be a hypocrite.
Btw, you are welcome to come and try to pose your ideas of freedom on me. Of course you will depend on others to make it happen because you are not up to the challenge. I would bet that you have never done anything for America and are all talk and no walk.
Okay, so the extremist, far-left wing baby-murder fanatics have won a small battle in scaring a good charity into continuing to provide money to a place that promotes killing inconvenient unborn children. I hope they're all thrilled that baby-murder will be subsidized by this place.
Okay lonereb~ since they are very highly scrutinized it would be easy to catch problem solved.
@OUwhine - Uh, durr...every politician in the country is trying to legislate morality. That's what they do for a living.
They just have different personal definitions of what morality is.
Tao you still don't get it. They won't spend SGK funds on abortion but if the money that those of us donated not knowing about the SGK/PP connection isn't there they will have to get it from somewhere else. You can bully me, you can call me names, heck you can kill me but I will not knowingly donate to any cause that funds abortion. It is a moral stance I can't back down from. I'm upset because I did participate in fundraisers for SGK I won't anymore.
Komen donates less than 25% to cancer research....spent $1 million lobbying against the single payer and the public option..Spent $700,000 on lobbyists last year ..brinker makes $457 per year and they sue everyone in sight...Glad to know this..
Will put my dollars where they do DO cancer work not just hook onto a name to rip off funds! The komen people did the donors a favor...if they had not made this political decision we would have been duped for a much longer time! And research would have lost millions to the politics of the right!
This is about womens health..the other is about Big Govrment controling womens reproductive rights
Not another DIME to komen...Directly to PP or institutions that are NOT political ripoffs!!
I am not trying to bully you, haven't called you any names, just checked my to-do list ...checking...checking.. no no killings on the list. However i will stand up against false information.. gossip is a ugly thing.
I commend you for your stance on no longer donating. However you should have checked the organization out to begin with. I don't donate to any organization that take my dollar and uses less then 80% towards direct serves to the people the causes is trying to help. IF admin costs are more then 20% i don't even think about donation.
You can't get an abortion but screwing young boys in the shower is ok. Vetter had hookers this is ok still in office. Rep Foley had yong pages now is on the radio. Rush is a pill popper busted for drugs 50 million a year. These people have no problem telling women how to live their lives. Something wrong with this picture?
Will some of you please explain why Susan G. Komen is required to donate to Planned Parenthood.
who said that komen is required?
Rick,
Their not, just as we aren't required to donate to them. We have every right to pull our support from SGK if we think they are being political or shady, just like they had the right to pull their money from PP. That doesn't mean they have the right to our acceptance of their actions though.
What a sham. Everyone knows tax money is going to planned parenthood to murder innocent children that are in a tough spot through no fault of their own (I borrowed that phrase from the great one)
Federal funds do not go to abortion, unfortunately. But you can continue to make such claims without documentation, as that seems to be the usual tactic of the uninformed right wing.
ROB you are so uninformed maybe you should lay-off that Fox News KOOL AID !
WOOOOOW! !! !! HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT ? ?? Some of you will say anything ANYTHING A N Y T H I N G ! !! !!!
Overwhelmingly, the support for the anti-abortion, anti-choice, anti-women movement is from men. Just take a peek at who the anti-women legislators are. Hmm. Mostly white middle-aged men. Why is that, anyway?
Where's the right-wing outrage for taxpayer money being used to fuel the murder of innocent children in the middle east with drones and thugs in uniforms pretending to be soldiers? What a hypocrite.
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Why can't you people on the right check the accuracy of your beliefs before making statements like "everyone knows"?
Seriously, it's disgusting the things these people will say. Not a single child has ever been murdered by Planned Parenthood. Not one.
Wayne Gretzky never said that.
No Steve, Rob did...
Ha, I thought the same thing when I read "the Great One"!!
Only an idiot believes the government, that funds Planned Parenthood isn't paying for abortions. Do you actually believe that federal grant money doesn't get channeled in whatever direction Planned Parenthood deems the greatest need? Books are cooked all the time, what makes you think PP doesn't follow regular everyday practices? Geeezzz... Go ahead and trust them... and remember your tax dollars may be the next ones used to lob off the head of an unborn baby.
Oh, I get the joke now...
Don't worry Toasty, it took me a minute too, but I did eventually laugh.
The Great One, ha!
The saddest thing about these anti-choicers (I refuse to call them pro-life because they support the death penalty) is they say these children must be born to poor single mothers, yet they don't care if these children starve to death after birth.
I thought "the great one" was The Rock!
Once you have appeared in public in the US Evangelical Taliban SS uniform, you can no longer claim neutrality.
Is that the black uniform or the white one?
Pretty much true, but this is America. Apparently all you have to do is state three times that it didn't happen, turn around in a circle, and throw a handful of glitter in the air, and it just like it changing the past.
Interesting look at the issue from the Dallas Observer (Brinker's from Dallas)...
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Right now it's the uniform with @!$%#e on. And they did it all by themselves to themselves.
@softdude - So...you are a stalker?
So you all are saying people should be forced by law to donate to organizations performing abortions whether they agree or not.
My concern with the Susan G. Komen foundation exends beyond their apparent desire to impose a right-wing and controlling religious view on others, even against the laws of the United States, but also their mission about "funding" a cure for breast cancer.
I hope everyone is aware that if non-for-profit funds are given to a for-profit organization (or even a NFP one) that does not mean that people won't be charged for cancer treatment. Many companies, if they find a cure, or even a treatment, plan on making lots of money from it. Look to Dendreon, for example, who will make lots of money from a prostate cancer drug, that Medicare has agreed to pay for. What this really represents is another government subsidy to for-profit health care.
I would donate to a cause that would guarantee that if a cure were found it would be free or low cost to all.
So true. A "miracle" drug that treats the root cause of cystic fibrosis for 4% of CF sufferers was approved by the FDA this week. Research and development were supported by the non-profit Cystic Fibrosis Foundation. Estimated yearly cost for this life saving drug is $294,000!
Whether or not a company is not for profit doesn't depend on how much money they make. A lot of people seem misinformed about this.
Xipper: a little off topic but appreciate you brought up the drug Kaledyco. Rounded off it comes to about $400 per tab twice a day. But please don't slam CFF for the cost. They didn't set it. The for profit Vertex did. I can personally vouch for the wonderful work CFF has done over so many years. Time for Big Pharma to stop worrying about the shareholders and their dividends and get the hell out of R&D, marketing, and price gouging. But then the unemployment rate would shoot up because of all the lobbyists out of work.
@Leslie-1026106 - They were giving money to Planed Parenthood, where did you get the idea they were right-wing?
If you read the article drew, you would have seen that they pulled the funding because right wing Congressional types were investigating Planned Parenthood. This is a truly poor reason to pull funding, as teaparty no nothings are constantly holding another witch hunt and handing out the torches and pitchforks.
@Wayne-1656909 - They were giving money to Planed Parenthood, where did you get the idea they were right-wing?
Leslie-1026106
So you are saying funds intended for cancer research should be tied to abortions?
I support Planned Parenthood as well as Acorn and the ACLU.
As any patriotic American should.
Isnt ACORN defunct? How do you support a defunct organization? Duh....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_Community_Organizations_for_Reform_Now
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defunct, Hmmm I doubt it. A name change is probably the case.
Ummm Milo look at the link. Maybe they are posing as OWS....
Good for you I don't especially I don't support PP. SGK has lost my donations forever since I can't trust they won't go to PP.
Lonereb: I doubt you ever did support SGK financially because women do not seem to be your real concern. You seem to be concerned with your own belief in women's role as reproductive mechanisms. Move to Afghanistan, they believe just like you do.
I don't agree with every decision men or women lawfully make in this country - but I have actively defended their right to make those decisions. I am a Vet for the American Way. I actually believe in the Civil Rights Bill signed in 1964 and I believe in a woman's Right to Choose for Herself; Not me or you choosing for her.
I support planned parenthood giving me one million dollars a year, as any real American should.
(This is an ad-hoc comment based on toasty's useless comment.)
Arrive how do you know? It would be kind of hard for me not to be concerned with womens issues since I am one. I am not saying that you can't have an abortion but I am morally backed against the wall by the liberals of this country. I'm a Catholic about half of us are women. I can't condone abortion from a moral standpoint. I will not fund any organization that does in any capacity. And unfortunately I did donate to SGK before I found out about the connection with PP. Why instead of bullying me don't you teach your son to take responsiblity for his actions? About half of the abortions in this country would stop if y'all kept your fly zipped.
Wow Drew, you sure put me in my place...
It doesn't take much.
drewbot7 - Good stuff dude, I support your posts.
As long as they don't get any government money I don't care what they do.
But their donors do; therein lies the problem.
They don't get public money for abortions though. That's prohibited under the Hyde Amendment.
@ Sara:
The idea that public money is not used to perform abortions is ridiculous. Planned Parenthood uses the money given them by the government to obtain properties, build facilities, pay utilities, hire staff, furnish clinics with supplies, equipment, computers, etc and pay for everything used to be ABLE to perform the abortions. Just because Planned Parenthood asks women to pay a pittance for the service does not mean that the government isn't directly funding the provision of the service by providing the infrastructure, means and ability to provide the procedure in the first place. It is CLEARLY a myopic viewpoint...one that is most certainly based in a denial of the obvious...that just because a woman pays $200 toward an abortion than it's "tax-money free". You can't be so clueless as to think people can actually pay $200 toward the cost of an invasive surgical procedure and the costs are actually covered, are you?
This is exactly why Congress SHOULD audit Planned Parenthood...it's not a morality witch-hunt, it's about being transparent and accountable for the billions of dollars in public funds used by Planned Parenthood. Abortions should be provided at clinics soley funded...from the property, building, rent, utilities, staff, equipment, supplies, etc...with funds provided by private donors and not tax dollars. Unless PP is willing to undergo such an audit, it's my presumption that they don't want one because they have something to hide.
Congress needs to pass a budget, and stop wasting taxpayer dollars. These wedge issues take proper attention away from the economy and unemployment, and offshoring jobs.
PP has been investgated by congress and they didn't find a thing. That was 20 years of records not just the last 2
PP is the subject of a congressional inquiry. Supposedly that is why Susan G. Komen pulled funds in the first place. Public reaction forced them to change their minds.
Do you use a bank??? When you put 10 bucks into your account, and than take it out the next day, you do know they're not giving you that SAME 10 dollar bill, right??? You're getting it's equivalent in value and the loss to the bank is the same.
Wow.
When you collect money under the auspices of funding cancer research, then use it for political purposes, you're misleading your donors. I'm glad that people are rightly outraged about it.
If you don't like abortion, don't have one.
Okay, but the issue is if you should have to pay for one through taxation.
That is not an issue because....
Federal tax money does not pay for abortion.
It's prohibited by law.
It's called the Hyde Amendment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment
If you want an abortion I can't stop you but not with my money. Get your other friends that believe that somehow magically something not human suddenly becomes human to pay for it.
Hyde Amendment.
Hyde Amendment.
Hyde Amendment.
If you want to practice your morals/religion that's fine, but don't begin to tell me what I should do with my body.
Apparently, we have nothing to say to each other than Reb, because quite clearly your fears of tax payer funded abortions are in vain. So you won't be posting anymore about it, you now know, and don't have a problem otherwise, correct?
Isn't it interesting how someone would say if you want to have an abortion, fine, but not with my tax money. Would this same person allow people to withhold a portion of thier taxes if it was going to fund a war or a plane they didn't like. How about if it is going to build a hospital that blocks thier view of the oak tree on the corner? Selective taxation. Do we really want to go there? If you are a woman and voting for the GOP you have been bamboozled.
BULL the democrats run the damm show up there. LIBERALS HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@PoliticalFenceSitter - Planned Parenthood receives about one third of it's money through government grants and is a political organization that promotes it's own views of morality.
No Frank the issue is a private charity that was very careful not to mention PP in their fundraising. And now that the donors who don't agree with PP have found out they feel cheated and used.
I appreciate what you are trying to do but we are not talking about funding wars, designing airplanes or building hospitlals. This is about the Susan G. Komen foundation and if the donations they have received for breast exams and cancer research should be spent on abortions.
the grant PP receives from komen is not spent on abortions.
LoneReb,
I thought you didn't care as long as your tax money isn't being spent on abortions, at least that's what your tone and wording apply in the post above. Numerous people have informed you it isn't, because of the Hyde Amendment, so I'm a bit confused about why you're still posting????
You can't stop someone (that's correct) and your tax money isn't being used, so.... What else is there for you to say?
Once again, the phrase anti abortion or pro life is ridiculous. Everyone is anti abortion and everyone is pro life except perhaps psychopaths. The question is what is to be done with unwanted pregnancies. And the answer is as it has always been since the beginning of time when women began to figure out how to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. Abortion. There will always be unwanted pregnancies and there will always therefore be abortions--legal or illegal. The difference is that poor and financially strapped women and families will opt for the dangerous illegal kind, while more affluent women will just go where they are legal, just as they did before abortion was legal in the US. There will always be doctors, some competent, and then quacks who will provide this service (it's a money maker folks, especially when illegal). Yes, it is important to educate women (and men) regarding the responsibilities in being sexually active, and provide them the means to prevent unwanted pregnancies. But really, are you really going to stick with the stupid Nancy Reagan slogan of just say no? I mean no to sex? Really? Exactly how punitive are you willing to be toward those who engage in premarital sex? How about families that just can't manage one more child? These people who call themselves pro life are not pro life at all. They are the very ones who don't want to fund or support all these unwanted, uncared for, hungry, unsocialized children. Anti abortion? Everyone is anti abortion, including all the women and girls getting abortions. But at least they understand the enormity of bringing a child into this world, the immense commitment required, self sacrifice, hard work and, yes, money, that it takes. It is best to do everything possible to prevent these accidents, but accidents will happen. Unavoidable, inevitable etc. Especially since it involves sex for goodness sake. More compelling than eating or sleeping or working for anything. Sex. Yes. The most compelling driving force in almost all humans--all life in fact. Wired into every plant and animal. And praying just isn't going to change it. After all, if you believe in God, then you have to accept that God wired all of life this way. Not like liking ice cream or a Mercedes, but a drive that is stronger than any other.
Very well said Libby. I couldn't agree with you more.
Well said. Thank you for wrapping it up in one paragraph!
I feel the same way.
All of the GOP Presidential candidates and many other Republicans support denying women contraception which would reduce abortions. I think if women refused to have sex with all those men who want to deny women the ability to control whether or not they have children, this whole issue would disappear pretty quickly.
It is beyond comprehension that in the 21st century we are even having a discussion about women's rights to control their own bodies and their own destiny. I find it difficult to believe there are people out there so ill-informed that they believe women are running to clinics to have abortions because its fun or something, like it isn't a major decision. And difficult to believe that affordable access to potentially life-saving health care for the many who need it is held in deference and denied by a relatively small group of control freaks who believe women should not have control over their own bodies. This is a clear attempt by the far right to put women back to the status of property. Go cry over the unwanted children already in the system and leave women alone to make decisions about their own health and well-being.
I had an aunt who died from a self-induced abortion at age 19 in 1919. She was taken to a big city hospital but couldn't be saved. I am so glad woman have better choices now instead of trying poisons or mutilation. I am also glad fewer women die from childbirth.
Well said, Libby.
You sound like a friend of mine. I think I recognize the "voice". But I could be mistaken. Nah, I don't think I'm mistaken.
Well when I was born according to you i was one of those accidents. But I was not unwanted (espcially by grandpa), unsocialized, hungry or uneducated. My biological father AKA the sperm donor has had no impact on my life but my mothers four brothers did. I was educated by the Catholic church. They didn't care that I was a bastard. The nuns taught me well for 12years. So take your vitriol out somewhere else.
I had an aunt who had a back alley abortion in the 1930's because there were no legal ways of terminating a pregnancy. She could never have children and regretted that for all her life. Now women can make a choice - use a contraceptive or if an unplanned pregnancy should happen can have a safe, legal termination. I will not have an abortion myself and hope my daughters and grand daughters never need one, but if they do, a safe and legal one is available. The key is CHOICE. Only God will judge us - not our fellow MAN(literally!).
I myself am kind of baflled by the religious pro-lifers and here's my question.
What kind of puny little powerless GOD do you worship? Is your GOD the creator?
Cause mine is. My God, my creator is bigger than life or death or choice or abstinence or birth control or the pill or any religion. When my God wants a woman or a man to have a child or a baby then a way is made. Period. My God is also THE Creator a.k.a. the INcluder. Because inside creation there are no exclusions... everything is in here and the creation itself keeps expanding to include the outer most limits of thoughts and people and creations.
From a purely philosphical viewpoint, it appears that pro-lifers actually have no faith in God at all. Why is it that their God has no power to create? And why would anyone pray to or worship such a small God? Maybe these people have confused their idol with their Creator forgetting that only the Creator works in the miraculous everyday of the week including Sunday.
lonerob, if you HAD been aborted, I seriously doubt that you'd give a rats ass.
When confronted by this delima in real life all the posturing and empty words become secondary. When your 19 year old daughter is sitting in front of you weeping and telling you that the very people who claim to be anti abortion and prolife are telling her there are options including abortion. It is neater that way. No shame to those around her. I took her hand and looked into her eyes and said i would support her in any decision she made. That she was the one who would decide and i would never hang my head in shame nor would i ever quit loving her no matter her choice. I love my granddaughter with all my heart. That was her choice but i would love my daughter just as much no matter what her decision.
I would do the same for my daughter or granddaughter Sam23, but at least she still HAS a choice now. The anti-abortion crowd wants to take away that right and send women back to the back alley abortion parlors of yesteryear.
I am a senior and I remember those days.
@libby-4460074 - Margaret Sanger would applaud your wish to kill black and brown babies but I think you suck. Pick up a shovel and get to work you lazy slouch. I'm not burying the corpses you keep laying at my feet.
If abortions are not a bad thing then would you all stop trying to change the traditional name for it what are you ashamed of. If it is a good thing then go ahead and say pro-abortion or pro--choice. Why do you want to confuse the issue?
drewbot7, keep it to yourself. You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Excellent organization, spineless leadership. The only thing for them to do to regain any type of credibility is to fire the CEO today.
Yup...I hear Jon Corzine is available...between investigations, at least....up until he ends up in jail, maybe.
Not gonna happen - the Founder and CEO is Susan G. Komen's sister! lol
However, I will no longer support SGK. My donations and support are going directly to Planned Parenthood from now on. SGK has politicized themselves and can no longer be trusted.
I hope the NFL pulls their sponsorship.
As are mine!
Where's the boo button when you need one.
@ralebol - Don't worry, no one knew who they were before today and everyone will forget who they are tomorrow.
Good night sweet prince.
The women how cant afford an abortion are the one's who need it most-- cuz they sure wont be able to afford the kid and society will end up spending even more on what will probaby be a poorly raised child.
Those damn overpriced kids!
I have heard so much about conservatives having no respect for women's health yet when a provider of funds for mammograms and breast cancer research decides to distance itself from an organization that devotes about 75% of its time to reproductive issues these same accusers blast that foundation out of the water. I hope you people are correct about the Susan G. Komen foundation. I was under the impression that it was a valuable resource that would be sorely missed.
If the Komen Foundation didn't want part in the politics of women's health they would not have hired Karen Handel.
MONEY >POWER>POLITICS>and you are telling me LIBERALS do not do this same song and dance? Hummm? PLEASE Liberals are the king pins of MONEY>POWER>POLITICS>>>>>>>>
If planed parenthood didn't want a part in politics than they should have never taken government money.
Sounds like a poltical favor.
To Senator Vitter -- I am so tired of the rhetoric. Pro-abortion???? I am not "pro" abortion, nor is anyone I know -- democrat or republican/liberal or conservative. Abortion is always a difficult decision. I personally believe it should only be a decision of last resort (if a woman's health is affected, in cases of rape etc.) BUT I am in favor of women having that right to decide and that the governement has no business making that decision for me. You do not know me or my circumstances and you should not have a say in what I do with my body. Let's just call it what it is -- Anti-Choice vs Pro-Choice. In addition, Planned Parenthood is exactly that PLANNED PARENTHOOD including healthy pregnancies, healthy babies etc. You call yourself "pro-life" but how much have you done lately to help any unwanted living children improve their lives? Political views have no business in funding women's health issues -- cancer doesn't care what you believe.
Well said.
Well,Said would be nice to See PP weaned off Federal Funds and more a Private Funded Entity,It would remove the Corruption Element that goes with Federal funds..
Applaud!!!!
Very well said.
I am pro life, and I'll tell you exactly what I've done. I don't know if these children were specifically unwanted, but I do know that their mothers were facing unexpected pregnancies. I volunteered with an organization that helped such women in various ways. We helped them to get government assistance if they needed it; we offered free parenting classes with free babysitting in which they could earn coupons which could be used to purchase various items like brand new strollers, cribs, changing tables, diapers, formula, wipes, etc. as well as new/gently used clothing up to size 4T; we gave free maternity outfits on the first visit; we offered free ultrasounds for confirming and dating the pregnancy; and we occasionally even gave a client cash if they needed it for bus fare so that they would have a safe place to stay. It was very important that our clients had a safe place to live and the medical care they needed-we also gave them an extensive list of resources in the area with specific names of people to contact. I often gave clients my home phone number, and one young client called me at home after her baby was born when she became overwhelmed. Another client invited me to her baby shower, and I went. Once my boss and I stretched official policy and helped a former client who was not actually pregnant but had older kids and had fallen on hard times-she came back to the classes and I also met with her individually for support. Our clients often came back to visit after their babies were born-and they were free to go through the parenting classes as many times as they liked for support and coupons so that they could continue to visit the baby closet for items they needed. What I did for those children was-I helped their mothers as much as I possibly could.
Politics will always be present when an organization funds abortions even one abortion is murder to me and I don't want my money sent to any group that kills even one child.
Thank you seen to much.
Seento much. You do realize the political party you support is working tirelesssly to remove that government assistance to which you refer don't you? Seems the support for life stops where the rubber meets the road.
lonereb do you support war?
I don't trust either political party, sam-partly for that very reason.
Precisely.
I consider abortion to be a women's issue; at least 50% of the the religio- politicaca could be avoided by leaving the decision to women.
Lonereb, too late, you support the US military. They kill children. Live with it.
TAO I was an anti-war protestor probably before you were born. I was also a civil rights protestor. But this is my moral line in the sand.
glad to hear it. I like to ask questions and not assume, which I really wish both sides and the middle would do more often. Which is why it was a question with no snide remarks or assumptions was attached.
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#13.8 - Sat Feb 4, 2012
That is why some of us support the republicans. There are way too many democrats that would end those valuable services provided by religious organizations by eliminating their tax free status.
Vitter should go back to his powdering and diapering.
Kinda fun to watch these folks self destruct....what nonsense.
It takes a bravery or stupidity to stand between armies trying to kill each other!
There won't even be a lull in the action as the bullets continue to riddle your soon to be lifeless body!
I applaud the decision by Susan G. Komen to continue providing financial donations to Planned Parenthood at least for the time being. However, I think I will keep SGK on my radar regarding their future behavior.
Thought; Isn't planned parenthood the way better choice than unplanned parenthood?
If I wanted to donate to PP I would have I didn't therfore I don't think my money should go there I will never send another penny to SGK. I wish that I could get back the money I already donated.
Due to their actions on this issue, SGK will suffer more from the people who do support Health Options for Women, than from Religious fanatics bent on controlling women.
I don't want to control your choices but why do you have to bully me for not wanting to support them on moral grounds. Do whaterver you please but don't get bent out of shape when I tell you pay for it yourself not with my money.
IMHO
See the below (or click the link) to see what will happen to the Susan G. Komen foundation. All they have done is anger both sides and I suspect they will not survive.
#19 - Fri Feb 3
Poor Nancy Brinker....fell into the sewer with the rest of the political hoe's....got covered in the same stuff they are covered with....too bad....that's a fate to be rigorously avoided by decent folk. So long, Nancy....hope you don't still smell too bad...in a year or two.
That sickening smell is what's left of Komen, after it stepped on the third rail of charity politics. Had they not used money donated to fight cancer to instead send political messages for religious extremists, they could have continued receiving donations from everyone, and fighting a disease that everyone hates. But now, neither side trusts them, and their donations will dry up and wither away. Way to go, morons.
I believe we should quit donating money to any organization that handles dead bodies, morgues, funeral homes, cemetaries, etc.. We should be pro life from conception to infinity. Death should be no excuse for falling down on the job !
Planned Parenthood was no more political than the Chamber of Commerce, that is, until radical right wing zealots got their hands into the mix. Komen ought to fund Planned Parenthood THIS year and no make promises about the future. Komen has lost its ability to fairly fund any cancer fighting entity.
This should read..."Koman Finally Pulls Her Head Out Of Her A$$" ......
Komen has said that it will continue its support of planned parenthood in the future in its promised to affiliates in Denver and California , New york and the major affiliates in all areas per Denver tv interviews with local affiliates ! the heart of there organization. the Denver affiliate was front and center in the reversal by Komen , they refuse komen first request to not fund PP and won an exception !
Does anyone trust a Komen promise anymore? Not I.
Pro choice or pro life should not be a political issue, nor should it be funded by the government when we are as in debt as we are. These two should be funded by private donations.
So those yelling about PP so much will stop fussing if the 3% of their business involved in abortion REFERRALS is separated and funded by donations? Your taxes are not paying for abortions now. I thought there were still people like Santorum who say that even birth control is immoral and they would let the states decide if condoms were legal, so I really don't think it would make any difference.
Pog I'm not that naive and don't think I'm that stupid. Any money that I donate that goes there in some way or another is used to fund abortions either directly or by freeing up other donations. You libs are so stupid if you think you can pull the wool over our eyes with that shell game.
Lonereb: Sorry to tell you that there is no cure for stupidity. You are blinded by your beliefs from accepting any facts that disagree with your beliefs. The posters on your comments have offered you facts that you could easily confirm. You choose not to. I suppose you find that more comforting but it also makes you stupid. Unfortunately for you (and us) there is no cure for stupidity!
Capt Ron if the budget for the year is 1 million dollars and 3% goes for abortions and 15% goes for breast cancer and the money my friends and I send in totals 17% what happens to the 2% not used by the section of the pie chart I donated too. Answer they use it where ever they dang well please. If my friends and I don't send that 17% what happens to the other donations sent in. They get used to cover the 15% slice. And aren't used to fund the 3% slice. I took math when it made sense and you can't fool me on that.
lonereb - PP does more than breast cancer prevention and abortion referrals, so the other 2% goes to fund those things like pelvic exams, Pap smears, etc. Seems like you can be fooled with your math after all.
1% if it is my money is too much. If its your money its your conxcience.
Should we take money from SS or medicare because you don't like it.
Per planned parenthood this is where there resources go. 71% to reproductive issues, 15% to all cancer screenings and 3 % to abortions. They say they see about 11.4 million patients a year.
When I was in my twenties, a close woman friend of mine was raped by a fellow student at her college. (I won't say which because this happens at colleges across the country and singling it out would not be right)
This was and still is a vivacious intelligent woman who at the time was devastated by this assault. But what made it much worse is that she became pregnant as a result.
She felt ashamed because she feared that her religious family would never understand. She admitted to me that her sister with whom she confided, berated her for going to the rapist apartment alone and even doubted her story that she was actually raped.
As a financially challenged student working to get a quality education, she could neither afford to have the child (nor did she want to have this rapist's son) or had the resources to terminate the pregnancy if she intended to get her degree. This is where Planned Parenthood came in and because of this organization, She has gone on not only to get her degree but to be successful executive and parent to 3 children all of whom have graduated from college themselves.
My question to all the righties out there. Should she have dropped out of college and gone on welfare?
I for one Thank God for Planned Parenthood and will continue to support them.
Gee my mom never went to college but she supported me all the way through college without one dime of government money. And yes she was a single mom, deadbeat dad walked out before I was born. She supported her mother, me and sometimes her disabled brother without even food stamps. She sent me to parochial school and paid the tuition herself no help from the government there either. She had other choices between graduation and welfare.
AC, that was a very sad sorry. Sorry for your friend. There are other options like adoption. She wouldn't have to drop out of college or go on welfare. I've known people including myself who made it through college with a new born child. It's not the easiest thing but looking at my child...just gave me that much more determination and energy to have a better life for her. I don't think people really think about the other alternatives out there when PP is around. They "save the day or life" of another human being while sacrificing another, right? Also, I don't think it's God you're thanking...it's the evil one. Either you worship God or you worship money. It's pretty sad how you'd have to make your friend sound like she's having such a great life and a very prosperous one while knowing that she sacrifice a human being to have that so called life. We only life for so long on the earth.
ReallyAmerica ~ there are other choice and many women choose something different. For some women the choice is abortion. How many children in America are currently on a wait list to be adopted?
Lonereb ~ count yourself lucky many women don't have other choices.
reallyamerica: re #24.2
So you would condemn a young woman, whom you don't know, for not bearing a child born of a VIOLENT CRIME, and unwanted even before its conception? This unknown woman should be compelled to remember the CRIME committed against her will, her body, mind and soul every moment of the long nine months, as her body changes and secrets hormones that affect her entire self, compelled by YOUR beliefs to carry a rapist's sperm and the consequences that arose from his unwanted act inside her body?
What if she had been a nine-year-old child? Or your own daughter?
You didn't mention whether your daughter was the result of rape, love or perhaps even a one-night stand, but you made choices, first to bear the child, and then to keep her.
I guess other females are so WORTHLESS in your eyes, that they should be subject to any male's desire, however perverted, and should simply accept whatever mistreatment fate allots to her. They should however, most assuredly be subject to YOUR decisions and beliefs.
It is utterly hateful and untruthful to attempt to speak for God. He/She is UNKNOWN, as are His/Her thoughts on this subject -- or any other. To impose your male-made religious beliefs on someone who doesn't believe exactly as you do, is to proclaim yourself GOD over others.
What's next on your agenda? An un-Constitutional and absolute theocracy and burkas, to which you would willingly submit?
How did she know that she was pregnant with a male child?
I see where some on the discuss would make a different choice for this women. I pose this question. If terminating a pregnancy is made illegal and say the doctor tells me to stay in bed and instead I get up and clean house, thus the pregnancy is terminated by my actions. Will I be brought before a court to pay for my actions. You say yes, because I killed the baby. Or you say no, because it wasn't meant to be because my body knew what it could or couldn't do. The Yes crowd is a little extreme beyond what we would do as a society. But the no crowd assumes only my body knows when I can handle a pregnancy. It takes my mind and soul out out of the decision. I argue that even my mind can know when I can't handle the pregnancy. If having a child by a rapist is beyond what I can handle - then let me decide over what I can handle. I say to those that would make the choice for me to walk the talk - go find someone that is living in poverty and lift them out of it. Adopt a baby. Make a difference. To talk the talk is not the same.
Tao the choices are always there if you look for them. You really should drop that buddist handle because they value all life and you do them a disservice.
Tao is not a Buddhist reference. I agree choices are always there and some choose a different path.
Lonereb, if it were up to you, "the choices" would not always be there. Terminating is a woman's choice.
Wrong IMHO you can have all the choices you want. It's legal but just because it is legal in my eyes doesn't make it right therefore I can't support it. I'm not telling you what to do. And I did have to deal with the contraception issue when I was younger and made the wrong choice. I've paid for taking the Pill for 42 years in medical problems, hospital stays 3, surgeries 1, outpatient care for stasis ulcers 10 times it is not as safe as you think. It ruined my life and they pass it off as a minor problem with the drug. By the way lonereb stands for lone star rebel. I live in Texas and rode a Honda rebel motorcycle.
nobody is forcing you to have a abortion or at least they better not be. Nobody is say you have to support abortions. And I don't know what you vote for. but people are against people say they should not have the option of abortion and or birth control. I understand you had problems with birth control, but for majority that is not the case. I would support tests to find out if people might have adverse reactions to birth control but not the straight out elimination of it.
That story is a real tragedy. Reminds me of when I was a kid and was told that a young lady wanted to "do" me and my two buddies. Being by far the smallest I had to go last only to find the young lady kicking, screaming, biting, curising and scratching. I took one look at her, turned and walked away. Given my size and that of the other two any attempt at intervention on my part would have been suicide. The police at that time (1967) would have just said she was "asking for it". All I know was that I was made to feel less of a man because I did not participate. That is what we need to work on. Most of us have given up on trying to ban abortions and we are no longer trying to take that away. And abortion in that case will not be denied. What we can't understand is why you keep trying to spin this as us being woman haters and thereby shame us into something we cannot morally support.
Out of the over 300,000 abortions that Planned Parenthood performs each year how many do you think are pregnantcies due to rape or incest.
From the statics I have 1%. 6% is due to medical necessity. some believe that the 1% is slightly under
representative since many think many are not forth coming about it since it is a sensitive subject. Don't have a abortion. I can't speak for anyone else but I am not trying to shame any one in to support it. I can't support laws that forbid the procedure because I don't know the other person or their story.