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Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney and his wife Ann address a primary election night event in Tampa, Florida, January 31, 2012 after trouncing main rival Newt Gingrich in Florida's Republican primary.
Updated 9:38 p.m. ET
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney staked his claim to the distinction of being the frontrunner for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination with a win Tuesday in Florida’s Republican primary.
Romney easily won the contest, which was limited to only registered Republican voters, followed by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, the winner of the Jan. 21 South Carolina GOP primary, in a distant second. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum finished third, and Texas Rep. Ron Paul came in fourth.
Romney, in remarks shortly after polls closed, turned his attention back to President Obama and sought to project Republican unity. Gingrich, meanwhile, defiantly vowed to carry on in his presidential bid, all the way through August's Republican convention.
Romney’s victory reflects a rebound in his fortunes over the past 10 days, during which Gingrich had initially seemed to be charging into Florida with momentum after the Palmetto State victory. The ex-speaker seemed to emerge as a primary threat to Romney’s shot at the nomination, mostly by stoking doubts among conservatives about the former Massachusetts governor’s ideological core.
But Gingrich ran into a barrage of advertising in Florida sponsored by both the Romney campaign and a super PAC working on Romney’s behalf, which questioned the baggage Gingrich had accumulated as speaker, and pointed to the work Gingrich had done as speaker on behalf of troubled mortgage giant Freddie Mac after leaving office.
Mitt Romney addresses supporters after winning the Florida Republican primary, insisting that the heated primary prepares the eventual candidate, and attacking President Obama on the economy and healthcare.
Romney made a veiled reference to the hard-fought Florida battle in his remarks, in which he sought to posture himself as the GOP's standard-bearer.
"A competitive primary does not divide us, it prepares us. And we will win," Romney said, adding later: "I stand ready to lead this party and to lead our nation."
The Romney campaign and the super PAC, Restore Our Future, outspent the Gingrich campaign and a super PAC supporting the former speaker by a 4-to-1 ratio in Florida, a testament to the effectiveness of negative advertising, especially in a large, expensive state that prizes TV ads.
The contest had essentially become a two-man showdown in Florida, since Santorum and Paul – the two other remaining GOP candidates – scarcely competed in Florida, and barely spent any resources in the state.
Gingrich, in his remarks following Florida's results, said the race would be a two-person race going forward as well.
"It is now clear that this will be a two-person race between the conservative leader, Newt Gingrich, and the Massachusetts moderate," the former speaker said of the results in Florida. "We are going to contest every place, and we are going to win, and we are going to be in Tampa as the nominee in August."
Romney's victory over Gingrich, though, was mostly complete, spreading over most parts of the state, and he beat Gingrich among every age, race, gender and income group, according to exit poll data. Romney did particularly well with women, who made up almost half of the primary electorate, and Latinos – who, in Florida, were mostly Cuban voters.
Romney also performed well with voters who rated the economy as their top issue, and voters who named the ability to beat President Obama as the most important quality in a candidate. Both are core strengths of Romney’s candidacy, and Gingrich edged Romney in both categories in South Carolina.
But while the former Massachusetts governor beat Gingrich among self-described conservatives as a whole, the exit poll data suggested that Romney still faces challenges in winning over the most conservative elements of the GOP.
Gingrich beat Romney among “very conservative” voters in the primary, who made up about a third of the electorate. Strong supporters of the Tea Party – who composed roughly 35 percent of voters – also broke for Gingrich.
Newt Gingrich thanks his supporters in Florida, calling for help in defeating Mitt Romney's big money campaign, and outlines his plans for his first day in office as President of the United States.
And while Republican primary voters Tuesday in Florida expressed positive opinions of Romney as a person, about four in 10 voters said his positions on issues are insufficiently conservative. Thirty-eight percent of primary voters said they wished another Republican candidate would enter the race, underscoring the lingering reluctance of Republicans – especially conservatives – to coalesce behind Romney.
But for as much as Romney took strides to tamp down Gingrich during the last 10 days in Florida, he turned his attention back to the president in much of his victory speech.
"Together, we will build an America where 'hope' is a new job with a paycheck, not a faded word on an old bumper sticker," he said.
Still, the primary battle is set to go forward, though Tuesday's contest caps a relatively busy month for the Republican candidates, which saw Santorum eke out a victory in Iowa's Jan. 3 caucuses, and Romney decisively win New Hampshire's Jan. 10 primary.
The campaign is now set to enter a new phase, with a relatively dead period for candidates in the next month.
Nevada and Maine host caucuses on Saturday; Romney won in the former (which has a sizable Mormon population) in 2008. Colorado and Minnesota each hold caucuses on Feb. 7, too. Because caucuses typically favor candidates with money and organization, Romney and Ron Paul, who's focused intently on those contests, are expected to perform best.
Those are the only nominating contests until late February, when Arizona and Michigan host its primaries. The Wolverine State is expected to strongly favor Romney -- it is where he was raised and where his father served as governor.
The structure of the calendar means that Romney could work to secure a stranglehold on the race for the nomination or, if nothing else, dismiss competitors like Gingrich with the kind of relentless advertising that took its toll on the former speaker in the last week.
Gingrich has defiantly vowed to take his candidacy all the way to the Republican convention, signifying the prospect of a prolonged battle for delegates. The former speaker might have his best chance to pick up some of those delegates on March 6 -- the "Super Tuesday" of the 2012 cycle, when a number of southern and more conservative-leaning states, which tend to favor Gingrich, hold their nominating contests.
Santorum commented on the results in Nevada after a town hall, arguing that the Florida results show that he -- and not Gingrich -- was the candidate best positioned to challenge Romney.
"We need another alternative, we need someone who doesn't have the baggage, and the personal issues as well as the inconsistencies in policies that Newt has to be the clear alternative Mitt Romney," he said.
The former Pennsylvania senator also took aim at Romney, promising to deliver a speech on Wednesday on "Romneycare and Obamacare."
NBC's Andrew Rafferty contributed reporting.
Rick Santorum speaks before supporters in Nevada after placing third in Florida's primary, and stresses the need for the Republican candidates to elevate the tone of their campaigns and argue the issues instead of attacking each other's character.
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Ah yes, the buying of the presidency.I guess Malibu Mitt is so proud of what his money can buy . I guess he is getting more bang for his buck then we are .Gee Wizz i wounder if uncle Mitt will treat us to a public option ?
I call bullsh!t!
It is waaay past time for the MSM to give it a rest and stop pimping Willard!
46 STATES still have a right & say in this election!
Florida Republicans are saying "okay, I'll vote you Mitt. Just don't sing anymore!"
A WTF moment, if there ever was one -- Feisty is EXACTLY right. You go, girl - there are 46 states (53 by the President's count) and about 2100 delegates to go. I realize that you want the GOP candidate to lose, but thanks for understanding that people outside the first four states should still have the right to choose someone rather than just take the (slim pickings) that they are presented.
obama raises many millions and bought the white house over hillory C last election and people keep on slamming romney for being rich does'nt make sense
My acute sense of smell tells me the night shift of the
right wing trollscollapse cowards are on their way! lolMan if that's all Ramney is winning by, they definitely have no love for that guy... six years and a few billion dollars later and he can't even give them a Boehner... LEH HOO ZEH HER
Florida Republicans are saying "okay, I'll vote you Mitt. Just don't sing anymore!"
Arrghh!!! I meant vote for you Mitt! Been a long day. I've been trying to figure out how I'm gonna spend all of that welfare money the rwnj's think we all get.
Did Florida ever update the way they vote, or still counting hanging chads?
Huge turnout with a Romney landslide....
Just the way the general election will be summed up!!!!
Romney/Rubio 2012
The only person in this race with half a brain is Ron Paul... I am sorry but I will never vote for a mindless puppet... So if people do not start getting the facts, and stop being blinded by the mainstream media bias, and learn to think with there own damn mind. We have a small chance at saving are failing country.
How things are proseeding I am going to have to right Ron Paul in.... Because America is filled with blind fools who are to brainwashed to see just how mindless & stupid it is to vote for Newt or Romney.
I don't believe we are not talking about Mormon prophesy when the religion card is dealt! In the book of Mormon it is written, and you can read it for yourself or ask your neighborhood Mormon,"a Mormon leader shall be in place over this new world before the world can usher in the LORD and end this world as we know it."
Rob,
I don't doubt a Romney win tonight. But, please, Marco Rubio's political adviser is Jeb Bush. Jeb is telling Rubio to say no to the VP slot. If I were you, I would start looking hard at the governor of Virgina.
(And I would also be thinking how to get some of the far right and tea party factions of the GOP to fall in line behind Romney. The people I talk to hear, really do not like Romney. They think of him as a big government, big spending Republican like GWB. And these guys take their politics seriously)
With a fifteen to twenty point lead for Romney, it looks like Wednesday's headlines should read, "Phart phace phucked."
InPS...
Ah yes, the buying of the presidency.
Ah yes, and how much did your savior have in 2008? hmmm, and how much is he expected to have come this summer? 1 BILLION?? Now, let's really talk about buying an election...
Too bad for the liberals, though. 10 BILLION wouldn't get this POTUS re-elected...
ABO 2012!
Why Feisty, you mean like the way the MSM pimped Obama?
Feisty wasn't first....What the hell???
Better a decent man rise with the appropriate amount of money than a fat sleazy pig rise with the support of billybobs and knukledraggers!! Any day!!
Romney will need all the money and support he can get when he goes against O who has even more money and support...
Holy @!$%# Houston! Would that would mean Romney is the anti-Christ, instead of Obama?????
Dr. Logic,
You are right, Ron Paul only has half a brain. Also one WRITES in someone on the ballot whether the person is on the RIGHT or Left.
One state, one large Southern state and people are having orgazms about it. Good grief!
I will wait until Super Tuesday before I decide who actually looks like he has a chance of being the Republican party's nominee.
Dr. Logic - Voting for any of those four clowns is a wasted vote and shows how stupid the GOP electorate is ....
If I had that group to choose from I'd shoot myself..
I gotta agree with Feisty no matter how much it hurts. I hate that the MSM is shoving Mitt down the throats of all of us. They are doing it to assure he gets the nod. I for one am going with someone else. Anyone but plastic man. Just something about him I just can't take.
And agree with Barbara and dano too. (Sorry Feisty, still gotta hang with my "kind") LOL
Don...
Sure you would...
I totally amazes me how between Mitt, Newt and the rest of the Republican party they can make Obama look like the best candidate.
i dont understand how people just seem to be conned ,and lied too so many times and keep falling for these people ,,dont they see threw the farce , romney is a lier and a reciest he wouid not even shake a womens hands when she told him she was and illegal ,,now wht does that tell u about him,, all these stupid ads that he is putting up on tv going against the other one all they do is talk about each other and throw there durty loundry at each other ,,,,,,people get real ...
Talk,
That is exactly what the guys who work for my hubby are saying. They feel like between the MSM and the GOP establishment, that things have gone back to the smoke filled room days. And they REALLY don't like it!
Tripod...
The only way Obama looks like the best candidate is if the person doing the observing sees the world through rose colored glasses with the help of a little kool-aid...of course!
Lady Rodriguez...
huh?
The far right and tea party factions of the GOP are dead
The fact that the Liberal Mittens Rob-Us-Blind, Flip Flop won proves that the Tea Party is dead Sara Palin is dead and conservatisim is dead. How else do you explain a win by :
Mittens Rob-Us-Blind Flip Flop, the 1%'er CORPERTE RAIDER and one time governor of Liberal Mass but now he is an arch conservative. Has supported Abortion, Gay Rights, Gun Control, Stem Cell Research and has reverse himself on all of these issues.He took both sides on the financial bailout, the stimulus bill, the auto loan package;
His biggest Flip-Flop of all Health Care Reform The national Law is modeled on the one that he championed as governor in Mass that requires every citizen to have health insurance. Now he has Flipped-Flopped.
Mitt Flip-Flop Rob-us-blind, a wishy-washy, flip flopping spineless politician without any core convictions, principals or believes a man who will say or do anything to get elected telling one crowd one thing and another crowd another. You simply can’t trust this guy to tell you the truth.
The only good thing that would happen if Flip-Flop were to get elected It would prove that Conservatism is dead as Flip-Flop will stab the Conservatives in the back.
Again, we are offered the establishment choices....Well, if you like how things are going, the future looks bright!
Mitt Romney would be a perfect salesman for Ron Popeil, selling kitchen magicians.
If Romney wins,
America loses.
who cares that he won?
Obama/Biden 2012
Will Ramney break into a Hank Williams Jr. Song tonight after his speech? 'Are you ready for some Ramney?!!'
Ramney said he has spent his life outside Washington... well, it's because he's been crying every time he loses an election standing at the fence of the White House wiping his crocodile tears with a couple of hundred dollar bills. LEH HOO ZEH HER...
Ramney is being rammed down our throats by the MSM... Ramney will make the TEA Drinkers swallow that swill with a big ole bag of high TAXES. How does it taste Drinkers?
The Whackadoodles will pay with a big bale of hay.
Are we supposed to be surprised that Romney won Florida?
Rlquall, if you're going to quote an obvious Candidate Obama mis-speak (and every conservative who brings it up knows it), at least get the number right. He didn't say 53, he said 57 and FYI, there are 57 states and US territories, and territories vote in primary elections which is what the candidate was referring to at that time.
I'm hoping that Ron Paul will join Gary Johnson on the Libertarian ticket and siphon-off 5-10% of the Republican vote, which would ensure that President Obama gets re-elected no matter which Republican wins the nomination!!!
Go Ron Paul/Gary Johnson in 2012!!!
Actually, indirectly, Obama was right in his comment in the last campaign......there are 57 states and territories who send delegates to the conventions.....those territorial delegates have the same voting power as those from the 50 states, even though their residents DON'T get to vote in the general election. So there are 46 state caucuses/primaries to go yet, plus the seven territories with their individual methods of selecting their delegates to the conventions. We are a long way from the GOP convention yet. It will be interesting to watch the delegate count build over the next several months.
Tell those guys who work with your hubby, phinephancy, to get involved with the Popular Amendment Movement and help change the way we handle our elections and campaign financing. Help push the constitutional amendment petition drives for both the Election/Campaign Finance Reform and Term Limits amendments found at faircampaignreform(dot)us. You can also cut and paste them from here. It's too late to make the changes before this election ends, but we can sure try to change things before 2014 and 2016.
Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Election Reform
We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.
Election Reform:
1. Abolish the Electoral College (Repeal Amendment 12)
2. ONE NATIONAL primary date to be held on the Tuesday eight (8) weeks prior to the General Election day for Congressional offices and for the President. Candidate petitions must be filed with the local/state elections boards 60 days prior to the Primary Election date. Federal election petitions shall be uniform in every state and shall include a “contract with the voters” that spells out clearly what that candidate stands for on all issues that they may have to address in elected office. They shall be held accountable in court for breach of that contract if elected and any/all terms are not met.
3. NO campaigning allowed for any elective federal office more than 60 days prior to the National Primary Date.
4. NO campaign contribution shall be donated to any candidate of more than $200 from an individual or $500 maximum from a family (spouses/children living in the same household.) No donations shall be made to a candidate more than sixty days prior to the primary date. No candidate shall contribute from their own funds more than 60% of the total donations from other private individuals.
5. NO campaign contribution from any PAC, corporation, union, non-profit organization, special interest group, etc. shall be allowed for any elected federal office.
6. NO third party campaigning (separate PAC ads, corporate ads, etc.) for/against any candidate shall be allowed at any time during or before the election season.
7. NO party conventions shall be held to select the presidential candidates. The selection must be done at the ballot box in the primary election.
8. The One Man/One Vote Supreme Court ruling shall be enforced by this Amendment, namely that NO federal candidate selection shall be by any means other than the ballot box on Primary/General Election Dates.
9. National Party Organizations shall NOT raise money for or donate to specific candidates of their party prior to the dates outlined above.
10. PAC’s shall NOT be granted tax-exempt status by the IRS, and any non-profit organization who uses their funding for political purposes shall lose their tax-exempt status.
11. All lobbyists shall be outlawed from influencing Congress at all times.
This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.
Name Signature State Address
Petition for US Constitutional Amendment For Congressional Term Limits
We, the undersigned US citizens, duly registered voters in our respective states/territories, do hereby petition for our state to approve the following amendment to the United States Constitution by the method noted below.
Term Limits for Congress:
1. Representatives to Congress shall serve no more than two two-year terms in the House.
2. Senators shall be elected to no more than two six year terms in the Senate.
3. No elected official shall serve more than six terms in office in any combined elected offices (House/Senate/Presidency.)
This amendment shall be approved ONLY by State Constitutional Conventions to be called within 90 days of this petition being submmitted to a state’s Secretary of State. A minimum of 25% of the registered voters in each state shall be required to further this petition to the respective Secretary of State.
Name Signature State Address
Old Timer got it right! To hell with Romney and Gingrich as well! The only true conservative in this race is Dr. Paul. Although i loath what Obama has done to my precious Constitution via his signing the criminal NDAA. If my only choice is Obie or Mittens, then Obie's got my vote! I don't want to wait 2-3 years just to find out what a liar Romney is when i already have a liar President with a proven track record!
Inps - Speaking about buying votes, I wonder how obamas goal of creating a $ billion warchest is coming? Let's not forget all those he wants to hand out federal taxpayer money to. Ref SOTU in january.
AHH yes Florida is ready to vote for a 1%'er. Like he will raise taxes on the rich (he is one of them ) Way to go Florida. Like Feisty said there are 46 states to go.
So assuming it comes down to Obama and Romney it will make voting much easier. No matter which one you vote for you end up with the same result.
which crook to choose ....hmmmm oh yeah Ron Paul is still running! he's honest! Maybe he will run as an independent and take enough votes from both sides to win! yaay!
Lady Rodriguez- I normally can't stand anybody being picked on about spelling but seriously you made a lot of mistakes. Don't know if you just typed quickly and didn't edit or you just don't know how to spell. i should always be capitalized I. Lier is spelled LIAR. IT's racist not receist. Wht is what. there (when speaking of person) their. Laundry not londry. You can edit before you post. Explain to me why Romney is a racist because he did not shake the hand of a woman who stated she was here in America illegaly??? Or maybe he just didn't want to shake the hand of a criminal? She should count herself lucky that nobody notified immigration and had her deported.
So after all these years we have found that Florida can be purchased for about 16 or so million dollars. LOL
To those T'repcondinos who are in a huff about some of the comments..... you were the ones who got the ruling that corporations are persons and money is speech.... so what if the big donors and foreign corps outshouted you with their pac money....LOL
Regarding the campaign money issue.... it is the T'repubcons who are on about they are taxed too much and are also the ones pleading poverty and can't afford to pay their fair share in taxes, even as they write the big checks to their candidates of choice. Don't recall the wealthy progressive dems pleading such poverty.
Well, congrats Mr Romney....... better luck next time Mr Gingrich.... :)
Please guys keep spending that money...... you are helping the rich 1-10% to provide jobs in the commercial making industry, and helping them also to put back that money into the economy which is better than that money parked in some bank account gathering dust.
You go guys. Spend that money!!!!!!!
Money, money money ,in a rich man's world.... aha aha aha..... money money money.... by ABBA (see I made sure to cite the artists.... wouldn't want to be or to have msnbcomcast accused of pirating or allowing pirated material and all that... ..) LOL
You gotta love the Ron Paulers, not only do they support that bat sh-t crazy bigot, but they do it with the ferocity of a Religious cultists allegiance to whatever loony is the Messiah of that cult.
It is admirable in its insanity and its ability to yield comic relief.
We love him for his ability to run as an independent (Likely on that Internet Party ticket (Check it out, he is number one there with all his blog happy inductees) HE will run independent, this is his last hurrah so he cares not if he pisses off the Republicans, he will shave off 7-8% of the vote, while I don't think we Democrats will need that --it will take a fairly close race and make it a runaway for Obama.
Run Paul Run!
And yes he is a bigot, even forgetting his 'i never read the newsletters that went out under my name' an obvious lie as he would have gotten letters on them or been asked about them at the time. He calls gay people 'queers' from his own lips. And that is bigotry.
The MSM is pushing Romney because he has the same baggage that the phony P has: he is not a Natural Born Citizen, which requires that BOTH parents be American citizens (birthplace has nothing to do with it). So he's their blast deflection shield. The Media is hoping that with two such ineligibles on the ballot (as there were in 2008) the Natural Born Citizen issue will be seen as irrelevant and therefore won't weigh against their fuzzy-minded "promise-them-anything-vague-and-meaningless" hopey-changey poster boy.
No one is a Natural Born Citizen without being the child of two American Citizens, therefore neither Romney nor the liar now in Washington qualify for the office. We've already been defrauded once. It won't be so easy to do it a second time.
A certain Georgia court has finally (January 26, 2012) been the first in the nation to hear the facts regarding the impostor's background and have them entered into the public record. GOOGLE IT! This issue will increase in significance as more and more people become aware of FACTS that leave no room for doubt in the minds of mainstream observers, and more and more states consider this EVIDENCE and the meaning of "Natural Born Citizen" is re-visited (or rather, truly VISITED for the first time) by the American electorate. By August it may well be that neither Romney nor the presumed impostor Democrat is able to be more than a footnote to this year's election cycle, in which case, all the MSM spinning and conspiring may make people dizzy, but it won't pop open the door as easily as it did four years earlier.
Clearly they think this issue will remain important only among those they sweep aside as an irrelevant "fringe" where they smugly presume their constant name-calling mockery has forever confined it, BUT THIS WILL NOT BE THE CASE THIS TIME AROUND. THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE FRINGE--IT IS MAIN STREET IMPORTANT! THIS TIME PEOPLE WILL REALIZE THAT. A news organization does not resort to a constant drumbeat of infantile name-calling unless it is a propaganda organ for lying totalitarians. You can't keep this fact buried forever. This time, the word "birther" will backfire, leaving soot on many very surprised, gaping, and well-known faces.
And all the MSM calculation and puppet master posturing with their two hand-chosen ineligibles who are not Natural Born Citizens will become a BIG FAIL this time. Moreover, this two-fisted strategy of offering the same lame dog on both sides of the aisle will be obvious to everyone, wide open for all to see. Everyone will know that they have been manipulated, and will be able to identify those behind the curtain who have been manipulating them, MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, BBC, NYT, WSJ, FOX, AP, UPI, Pravda, The People's Beijing Propaganda Mill, etc, etc., etc.. all now owned and operated by one and the same consortium of NWO gatekeepers.
Whatever happens, the American people will KNOW this time around just how much they have been LIED to and MANIPULATED by the wholly-world-owned marxist press no matter how the machinations and spin festivals go down, and no matter who the puppet masters behind the curtain manage to squeeze into the bully pulpit.
This also explains the Gingrich strategy of going the whole distance, and the Hillary plan to "retire" before the end of the current Administration as well. Everything's going to change, and some people know it. Historians will put their pivot marker on the events of January 26, 2012. Anyone with an ounce of foresight can now see this coming.
When it happens, remember: I told you so long before it happened.
And about another unexpected change that follows not long afterward.
It's all been predicted. You just have to know what to look for and where to look.
It's certainly no more an example of "bigotry" than calling them "gays," which is just another euphemism for the tiresomely long word "homosexual," though it's a far more dishonest one. It also doesn't take a perfectly innocent word that appears in countless bodies of literature having no connection to sexual deviance and pervert its meaning into something altogether semantically different. The word "queer," at least, is far more descriptively accurate than the word "gay," and calling homosexuals "queers" doesn't so mar the adjective that it becomes unusable in its generic sense and turn innocent text into an embarrassment.
Ask the deviants trying to get universities. to establish "queer studies" departments in order to promote their lies and distortions as though they were somehow valid and legitimate forms of human expression instead of the self-destructive narcissistic behaviors that they are.
For those who think as you do, next up we get "lush studies" to promote the many "virtues" of alcohol addiction, including those all-time favorites "drunk driving" and "cirrhosis of the liver."
John-3078515
"No one is a Natural Born Citizen without being the child of two American Citizens, therefore neither Romney nor the liar now in Washington qualify for the office."
The truth is just a Google search away. The following is taken from usconstitution(dot)net:
Who is a natural-born citizen? Who, in other words, is a citizen at birth, such that that person can be a President someday?
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps. The Constitution authorizes the Congress to do create clarifying legislation in Section 5 of the 14th Amendment; the Constitution, in Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4, also allows the Congress to create law regarding naturalization, which includes citizenship.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:"
* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.
aeonwing - John doesn't want to know the truth. It hurts his prejudice too much. Obama's citizenship has been proved and accepted over and over again by persons of intellect. It is just the haters and totally ignorant who continue to harp on this dead issue. But, nice post to show, once again, that our President is indeed a citizen - as if anyone with a brain needed the information.
Romney is a fast-talking snake oil salesman. All his lies and false claims can be easily refuted. He is the most disingenuous, delusional and incompetent person to even be considered for the job of president of the United States.
Romney cannot hold a candle to President Obama, who has proven to be an intelligent, thoughtful, strong without being overbearing, effective and remarkably diplomatic leader in foreign and domestic affairs. Clearly, the economy is improving; we are making slow but steady progress. Correcting the mistakes and blunders of the previous administration takes a long time to reverse, but we are on the right track. The president values the well being of every American and has accomplished much in three year, all with very little help from the Republican Obstructionists. I’d say my country has been well-served by President Obama.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012
Why is everyone complaining about how much money is being spent in the election anyway? It's money that is being poured back into the economy! Guess I'm just a glass half full kinda' gal!
Who do you think benefits by those ads? It's not US it's FOX news and other media outlets and that money goes to people already making a fortune every year. Maybe there's a bit of trickle down, like paying the janitor but mostly the people who make out are the executives who will now give themselves big fat bonuses for the money paid to them by PACs.
Aeonwing - You are wrong. The Supreme court decided in Wong v. Ark who is and isn't a citizen. They also decided in Minor v Happerstat who is a natural born citizen. And they concluded that a natural born citizen is the child of two citizens. I don't know enough about Romney's father to say wether or not he is affected by this, but as long as his father never renounced his US citizenship or held dual citizenship, Mitt is most likely a naruaral born citizen.
Seeking Sanity - You are also wrong. As much as I may not agree with the conclusions John is drawing, Obama's citizenship has never been ruled on. Every single case was dismissed on procedural grounds, or jurisdictional issues.
IT HAS NEVER BEEN DECIDED BASED ON THE EVIDENCE.
Until now.
See, there really was a court hearing in Atlanta on 1/26/12, just as John states. The case was OSAH-SECSTATE-CE-1215136-60-MALIHI
Obama defied a court ordered subpoena to appear, and another to provide documents. His lawyer cooperated up until the night before the hearing, when he desperately tried to get the State Atty General to squash the hearing, which Mr Olen declined to do. Obama's lawyer then decided not to show up.
The judge was going to issue a summary judgement for the plaintiffs, but they argued that would reward Obama for not showing up. The judge agreed to allow an abbreviated presentation of the evidence. This is important because it is the first time anyone has been able to enter any evidence whatsoever into the record. The Judge is expected to rule against Obama later this week.
Funny you haven't heard anything about it in the mainstream media. Don't you think?
I mean it's kind of a big deal, right?
Whatever happened to you liberals anyways. Remember, Question Authority and all that? I liked those liberals. Not the slavish defenders of anything Obama no matter what. Those people are sheeple.
Anybody want to challenge me to prove all this?
I warn you, you won't like it very much.
Obama's little Georgia problem is not going away.
Popcorn!
another birther... trying to justify ignorance, it is like watching idiots being interviewed on the street by the Tonight Show.
Hey, I am just happy that its not from my side of the family.
The scary part about this round of Republican Primary in FL is that Mitt's team committed 15M! John McCaine spent a total of 11M in the Republican Primary in 2008. This is about corporations trying to own our asses. There is no hidden agenda or topics. This is about Wolves and Sheeps.
Here is judge's decision and reasoning. It is clear and concise. It is also clear that the President's general counsil is not prepared, by not providing nor citing the reason or previous cases to support their request to quash the subpoena. Here is the link to the pdf. Not a big deal, but clearly a case of the counsol not doing their homework.... simply had to look up GWBush and Clinton cases....
http://www.art2superpac.com/UserFiles/file/Farrar-Welden-Swensson-PowellvObama,OrderonMotiontoQuashSubpoenas,GeorgiaBallotChallenge.pdf
Key words: "Defendant fails to provide any legal authority to support his motion to quash the subpoena to attend.... This may be correct....Specifically, Defendant has failed to cite..."
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A Romney victory in Florida does not mean the GOP wil escape what is now certain to be the most vicious and brutal primary campaign we have seen in decades. Newt Gingrich has the power of the Tea Party and has captured the rage of the conservative base. He may not be able to defeat Mitt in the end, but he has no reason to drop out when right-wing voters are cheering his rhetoric and sare still eager to bloody Mitt before Tampa. The GOP race has become about an ideological fight for the party's future. http://www.sunstateactivist.org
Matt,
I truly believe that the GOP establishment has not recognized how very angry their base is. They are no longer following the dictates of the old guard. Whatever the outcome of the GOP primary, the next few years are going to be a time for the GOP to regroup and rediscover their base and what they want their message to be. I think these are some of the reasons their better candidates sat this year out.
Newt I feel will win a lot of the southern states, while the mid west, northeast, northwest, and cali will vote Mitt. He'll win the nomination eventually.
let's just hope they will cool the obstructionism down a bit. This is why they will loose in 2012.
Obama/Biden 2012
Van,
Newt, I think, will do well wherever the tea party is strong. After that, well, I don't really know.
No, the Establishment that runs both political parties will get what they want and that is too almost identical candidates, with only skin color being the only difference. Face it folks, Obama was elected to reverse the damage Bush did, but he only made matters worse with respect to runaway govt spending and the very expensive and useless wars. He lets the Federal Reserve still dictate how the economy runs with wages stagnant or dropping and prices rising as a result of globalization and the Fed prinitng money like it was water. Neither Romney or Gingrich are going to give you a real choice as to actaully change anything. If McCain was elected the same @!$%# would have hit the fan as under Obama. These guys are in a big club, and like Goerge Carlin said " They don't give a @!$%# about you". I can't believe anybody in this forum can actually say they are excited for a Romney or Gingrich presidency, much less an Obama one. The political system is broken in this country, with our "owners" reducing our presidential elections to mere high school class presidential elections.
Newt represents the values of the Tea Party now? Hah, who told you that? Palin the neocon two-face?
Ron Paul is more of Tea Partier than Newt will ever be. He helped to create the Tea Party and was involved in the movement long before those neocon slimballs came along.
I am simply going by what I see in the poll numbers and by the people I talk to. I am sorry I upset you.
phinephancy-We are angry. At Obama.
Rage Newt, Rage.... go get Mitt....
Barbara,
Fine. You are angry at President Obama. So, now tell me, what exactly is the plan that these candidates have to get us out of this mess. I willing to listen. So far, all I hear is "the left is bad" and "the right is bad". I don't want right or left bad things. I want a reason to be FOR something and someone, not against.
The fight is how much does it cost to buy a stupid republican's vote? He was a biggoted, rich, out of touch governor and that is what he will bring to the presidential race. Another out of touch rich, ego strong, gop puppet.
Rednawt, you wish!! In your dreams!!!!!!!
I really don't get why people are down on Ron Paul. Ron Paul doesn't have any baggage what so ever. He wants to end the Fed which is the true cause of inflation and our national debt and give americans sound money and bring our troops home. By ending the war on drugs people are not prosecuted in droves for things they are going to do anyway, previously nonviolent offenders come out of prison hardened criminals. He never voted to raise our taxes once. People need to look at the actual candidates rather then the commericals. You'll see they can't touch Ron Paul, Obama would loose to Ron Paul because Reps won't vote for Obama and Independents like Paul and even many Democrats/Librals like him to. He is the only candidate the unites rather then devides. Look up Ron Paul "What If Speech" on Youtube. If the Republicans want a winner they should look no further then Ron Paul. People who actually know anything about the economy or government know Ron Paul is the best choice and may even be our last hope.
You hit it on the head.Obama's agenda is not the peoples.I'm a Democrat but in this election i'll vote for anyone but Obama.
james,
Not being snarky here, but it seems NOBODY'S (both sides) seem to get what the people want.
Don't know how Mitt would win the west with so many immigrants, when he just told immigrants to "self-deport" themselves. Being a Floridian I could say there were some oops voting with absentees; because he started his campaign/commercials early that's all those absentees knew so to get it out of the way they voted him. I say this as someone who's made these calls, seniors are upset that they voted too early while misinformed. Have to remember South Florida is full of retirees. Either way these campaigns shall keep on going.
All of these negative ads instead of giving us a plan, Mitt Romney has done nothing but be a bully. Who knew we'd like shallow people.
Hope not Hate
Progress not Regress
Gingrich represents hate and regress IMHO
NewtISaPIG
Most of us don't hate TURDS, we just flush 'em. Looks like Florida flushed Newt.
So James, you claim to be a democrat and yet you say you will vote for anyone but President Obama. Fine, hope you enjoyed the George W. Bush years because they were Reagan and Bush 41 years on steroids, they are exactly why income disparity is so great, why businesses get tax breaks for shipping jobs overseas, why big oil gets taxpayer welfare to subsidize their billions in profits, deregulation so that we can do another big economic collapse like 2008. A vote for any republican will give you exactly that, more tax cuts for those who already have plenty, increased military spending while decreasing spending on what the country really needs like education, infrastructure, clean energy. A vote for a republican is a vote for privatized social security invested in Wall Street where they can bet seniors safety nets on risky schemes, vouchers for medicate, increased deficits and greater debt, etc etc etc.
phinephancy, I disagree that both parties don't get it. Democrats are far from perfect but they do understand the problems ordinary working people face; it is the repubican party that seems so detached from what voters want. For one example, one only needs to look at the polls which show a large majority, including a majority of republicans, think taxes should be increased on those making $1 million or more a year.
Have a good evening everyone.
Weeee lets read some rehashing of the establishment talking points that have been spoon-fed to the eager, endearing public!
Mitt, the next McCain
You said it floyd...how uninspiring isnt it
I have been meditating for hours on the presidential race Obama,Santorum ,Gingrich,Paul or Romney? And in deep meditation in came to me who would Ghandi vote for? Suddenly a warm flash and white light at the end of a long tunnel and there stood GHANDI saying "yo Romney is da man in 2012"
That was a big or huge win for Romney at 41% and Gingrich at 37%. It sounds like money can't always buy everything. All it tell me is 41% of Florida voters wants Obamney Care. They are not conservative. Most anyone with half a brain could figure this economy out. That is why I will never vote for that jacka$$ Romney. Too dam liberal for my taste.
NO OBAMNEYCAR
NO ROMNEY
NO OBAMA
Surprise?
With obumbo's presidency being such a dismal failure I think Mitt or Newt will be a huge improvement.
"Democrats are far from perfect but they do understand the problems ordinary working people face."
Seems to me Democrats are content to ensure the "ordinary working people" continue to suffer those "problems" of which you speak, so they can continue to sell them on that same old "understanding" bs they've spewed for years. If they created policy that caused them to become too successful, they'd lose their voter base.
Imagine, you got that right, it is in my dreams the cons would stop obstructing and get something done for the people instead of spending all their time right from the getgo to unseating a legally elected presdient.
Obama/Biden 2012
Heaven help us if Romney, Newt (why would you want him for President just for his name alone?), Obama or God Forbid! Ron Paul be President! Our country is in complete dire straits and not one of these idiots have a clue how to fix it. I am the first to admit I don't have the answer on how to fix all the wrongs. I do know we have many of them but let's start with the fact that all of these clowns are just like all of us. They don't have a clue. Can we agree on that?
MSNBC... Decisive? Corporate Raider Romney won with less than 50% of the vote. MSNBC let me tell you what Decisive would had been: 70% or more of the entire state vote. 47% is not Decisive.
MSNBC you need to be more neutral.
And thats my opinion.
I suggest that all of the people go on the respective websites of the candidates and read the opinions & plans put forth there. That way you can make up your own mind and not be told what to think or do by whomever.
F*Up, that is the problem, there are 565 people in congress that is SUPPOSED to be fixing it, the president can do very little on his own. When you have more than half of them fighting him every step of the way, even when he embarces their ideas and they run the other way, how much can he do?
Barbara - 1012158 Finally someone with a clear answer. I feel you should have it all in front of your face (only what the candidates are saying they will do) then make a sensible decision based on what you feel is right for you and the country; however, I am still going to vote for me if I can write me in because what we have isn't what we need, sorry.
It's pretty amazing really. This just proves that if you aim a TV at a republican, you can control their thoughts and voting with money. Well, it's not a surprise, really. Fox Propaganda has been doing it for years now.
The Tea Party must be pretty bugged. Their going for their walkers and canes as I speak... Beware: They will steroid spray you, if you let them get too close.
Hey those who want to keep Obama in charge here is our future under Obama's economic leadership according to the CBO as reported by The Wall Street Journal
1) Growth will slow to just 1.1% in 2013 because of tax increases, spending cuts, and other factors. CBO projects 2012 GDP to increase just 2%.
2) Unemployment rate will stay above 7% until 2015. It will increase to 8.9% at end of this year and hit 9.2% at the end of 2013.
3) Deficit will be $1.1 trillion in 2012, the fourth consecutive year above $1 trillion.....Come on folks OBAMA NEEDS TO GO!
I hope they go on and continue to beat the hell out of each other. If either or both don't know how to use "pole axes and pitch forks" I'll be happy to teach 'em for free. I notice Mittens appears wearing jeans often. Since someone is now marketing "oversized crotch jeans" Newt should give 'em a try. Might make him look less like a "hog in the wild" and more like a real "pig in the poke".
Stop yelling please. Thanks.
The MSM is pushing Romney because he has the same baggage that the phony P has: he is not a Natural Born Citizen, which requires that BOTH parents be American citizens (birthplace has nothing to do with it). So he's their blast deflection shield. The Media is hoping that with two such ineligibles on the ballot (as there were in 2008) the Natural Born Citizen issue will be seen as irrelevant and therefore won't weigh against their fuzzy-minded "promise-them-anything-vague-and-meaningless" hopey-changey poster boy.
No one is a Natural Born Citizen without being the child of two American Citizens, therefore neither Romney nor the liar now in Washington qualify for the office. We've already been defrauded once. It won't be so easy to do it a second time.
A certain Georgia court has finally (January 26, 2012) been the first in the nation to hear the facts regarding the impostor's background and have them entered into the public record. GOOGLE IT! This issue will increase in significance as more and more people become aware of FACTS that leave no room for doubt in the minds of mainstream observers, and more and more states consider this EVIDENCE and the meaning of "Natural Born Citizen" is re-visited (or rather, truly VISITED for the first time) by the American electorate. By August it may well be that neither Romney nor the presumed impostor Democrat is able to be more than a footnote to this year's election cycle, in which case, all the MSM spinning and conspiring may make people dizzy, but it won't pop open the door as easily as it did four years earlier.
Clearly they think this issue will remain important only among those they sweep aside as an irrelevant "fringe" where they smugly presume their constant name-calling mockery has forever confined it, BUT THIS WILL NOT BE THE CASE THIS TIME AROUND. THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR THE FRINGE--IT IS MAIN STREET IMPORTANT! THIS TIME PEOPLE WILL REALIZE THAT. A news organization does not resort to a constant drumbeat of infantile name-calling unless it is a propaganda organ for lying totalitarians. You can't keep this fact buried forever. This time, the word "birther" will backfire, leaving soot on many very surprised, gaping, and well-known faces.
And all the MSM calculation and puppet master posturing with their two hand-chosen ineligibles who are not Natural Born Citizens will become a BIG FAIL this time. Moreover, this two-fisted strategy of offering the same lame dog on both sides of the aisle will be obvious to everyone, wide open for all to see. Everyone will know that they have been manipulated, and will be able to identify those behind the curtain who have been manipulating them, MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, BBC, NYT, WSJ, FOX, AP, UPI, Pravda, The People's Beijing Propaganda Mill, etc, etc., etc.. all now owned and operated by one and the same consortium of NWO gatekeepers.
Whatever happens, the American people will KNOW this time around just how much they have been LIED to and MANIPULATED by the wholly-world-owned marxist press no matter how the machinations and spin festivals go down, and no matter who the puppet masters behind the curtain manage to squeeze into the bully pulpit.
This also explains the Gingrich strategy of going the whole distance, and the Hillary plan to "retire" before the end of the current Administration as well. Everything's going to change, and some people know it. Historians will put their pivot marker on the events of January 26, 2012. Anyone with an ounce of foresight can now see this coming.
When it happens, remember: I told you so long before it happened.
And about another unexpected change that follows not long afterward.
It's all been predicted. You just have to know what to look for and where to look.
Thanks Fantomdog. No more to be said!
Were you collapsed Fantomdog? What an honor!!! In case you missed it:
IF ONLY THOSE WHO SEEM TO BE SO MAD AT OBAMA WOULD READ THIS AND REFLECT A MOMENT, THEY MIGHT SAY: Hmmmmmmmmmm... YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT!!......... SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT!!!! Now, since Obama's regime, all of a sudden, folks have gotten mad, and want to take America Back...BACK TO WHAT/WHERE is my question? After The 8 Years Of The Bush/Cheney Disaster, Now You Get ...Mad? You didn't get mad when th...e Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President. You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate Energy policy and push us to invade Iraq. You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us. You didn't get mad when we spent over 800 billion (and counting) on said illegal war. You didn't get mad when Bush borrowed more money from foreign sources than the previous 42 Presidents combined. You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars in cash just disappeared in Iraq. You didn't get mad when Bush embraced trade and outsourcing policies that shipped 6 million American jobs out of the country. You didn't get mad when they didn't catch Bin Laden. You didn't get mad when Bush rang up 10 trillion dollars in combined budget and current account deficits. You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed. You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown. You didn't get mad when we gave people who had more money than they could spend, the 1%, over a trillion dollars in tax breaks. You didn't get mad with the worst 8 years of job creations in several decades. You didn't get mad when over 200,000 US Citizens lost their lives because they had no health insurance. You didn't get mad when lack of oversight and regulations from the Bush Administration caused US Citizens to lose 12 trillion dollars in investments, retirement, and home values. You finally got mad when a black man was elected President and decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, job losses by the millions, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, and the worst economic disaster since 1929 are all okay with you, but helping fellow Americans who are sick... Oh, Hell No!
And you think it will be different with ANOTHER Republican in office?
sadly, i have to agree with robert, we are seeing the bitter end of centralized government.
Very well said Charles, Iraq was a war we should never have been in. Bush, Cheney, and his friends made sure we got involved so they could make profits off of the involvement we never should have been in. Too many good people died for their greed. I wonder how Bush, Cheney, and and their rest of their cronies can sleep at night after what they did.
If the Economy and Unemployment does not turn around, every American will be looking at Mitt Romney as the President of the United States in 2012.
Pres. Obama must have shaking "insides"---he's got to leap over all the issues he has left on the table, with no action for the past 3 years and work very fast to correct the mistakes.. What has been accomplished in the last 3 years.
Mitt Romney is Presidential. Obama is a nice guy, but needs more backbone, standing up to the people who are beating him down.
This is not what a lot of people recently are calling "Racism", again----There is no color for a working President, or a past one either. Romney is Mormon; uneducated people will use that as an excuse not to vote for him. Ridiculous
Racism has no place in O's Re-Election nor from people trying to protect him---I've seen it over and over again from some Black Leaders. It's time to stop this kind of bullying the American public.
Well said Charlesobama! We need to spend more on education so people can read and understand the facts.
Thanks Charles, guess the truth hurts. Ask Bush II or Cheney why they won't go to Europe. Because they would be arrested and brought up on War crimes charges. Why hasn't Bush II said anything in public about this GOP Presidential race? Notice how quiet he has been? Why are a lot of Bush II's 'good ol' boys' in Willard's campaign/pocket? Just a few questions that won't get answered, I' sure.
Hawaii, read politifact on what President Obama has accomplished instead of relying on others to do your work for you. And, in case you HAVEN'T been watching the debates, what do you call what Gingrich said about going to the Black caucuses to tell them they shouldn't have to ask for food stamps, to demand a paycheck? Or how about having the 'inner city' children WORK for their education, by cleaning bathrooms. Hate to tell you, but it isn't just a 'black' thing. If THAT isn't 'race baiting,' then you need to change that light bulb. The GOP would be strung up and down the streets of America if they got what they asked for in the reduction of social services/food stamps to the poor and unemployeed/underemployeed, since MOST of the recipients of said social services RESIDE in RED States, AND were the recipients of Bush II era job losses.
Yeh, Romney won with votes from the richest 2% (with earnings of 250K or more). Imagine that. To win nation-wide, Romney has to come up with a message that appeals to the 98%. Just attacking the president will only piss off voters like me and get me out to vote for the president.
Fantomdog -- Or why aren't any candidates identifying with Bush/Cheney instead of Reagan?
Fantomdog, they are fomenting a strategy to steal the election. They are in Texas probably with some Saudi prince figuring out how to control the oil markets, start a war in the Middle East and get Mittens to go along. Barbara is baking cookies and grandpa Busch is basking in the glory of the power of the past. Busch II is keeping quiet because it is more mystical, his popularity is down now that we realized so much more and also he goofed off enough. plus playing puppet master behind the curtain is so much more fun. Sort of the way it was when Jeb was punking the election in Florida. Who would have thought? Any communication in words or visual is an indication of intent, and their mission is top secret so it has more chance to succeed, whatever it is...
IDK, save, I heard tell Barbara was an excellent cook in her day, especially since they're all still breathing. What I find funny, though, is the GOP posters saying President Obama is on vacation all the time. In his 1st 31 months in office, he took 61 days of 'vacation,' whereas Bush II took 180 days 'vacation' for the same time period. Talk about being absent AND absent-minded.
TruePatriot, I'd like to know why they aren't identifying with Eisenhower, since HE was the last TRUE Conservative. Every GOP President since then has risen the debt with each Presidential appointment.
Fantomdog:
Yes, Gingrich was right when he said there are more people on food stamps than in any other Presidency. Keep extending the Unemployment checks for years, and people forget skills and what work means. That is the easy way out.
I do not care for this Gingrich, but the truth is the truth. It was appropriate for G to use as an example, underprivileged children to take on Janitor jobs, but someone has to do the job. I just ran into a RN who lost her job, and she (Caucasian) was cleaning public bathrooms with pride. She needed the money to support her family. My daughter as a teenager, worked for a fast food place, educated, and swept the floors. Is that undignified for any race?---No, a job is a job. Who knows where taking a lowly job can lead. Just work, instead of relying on Government Subsidies.
Success stories galore for people who do grunt work. That's America. You can be anything that you want to be--G was simply trying to motivate the unmotivated.
Is putting groceries on the shelf in a super market beneath your dignity. My partner did that while putting themself through College, also earning a Masters Degree in a great Profession.. No one helped my partner giving them money. Nobody cared.
That is why we appreciate everything earned.. Work is a good basis for building character, strength, and good self-esteem, while making money to support themselves..
The higher Unemployment numbers have taken place since O took Office. Yes, Bush also had high unemployment, but not to this degree.
What is being done about getting people back to work, getting the Economy back. People are still holding back on spending, some with money, because they fear the future economic picture. O keeps mentioning Job summits, Job Focus groups--how does that help the Unemployed?
Mitt Romney is a success; will know how to motivate younger people, and people out of work. He's experienced being a Manager, both in Leadership and business savvy.
We have 2 different people; Obama and Romney---different work backgrounds. What do you call Work to make money?
Why do you Republicans prefer a serial adulterer and professional flip flopper to a man who has
a real plan to bring government spending under control? Why do you prefer draft dodgers to a
man who actually served while married with kids? Why do you prefer worshipers of Big
Government to someone who will strive to give us our country back?
Why are you not voting for Ron Paul???
Sad. The United States is dying and nobody seems to care.
To all of you who have been speculating as to why Dubya has been silent on the current election cycle, consider this--Do you think maybe, after the man had to suffer the slings and arrows of the most openly hostile media in the history of free press, virtually every single day for eight straight years, he would just like to kick back at his ranch and relax now that he's not in the national spotlight anymore? The man could've solved the world's energy problems, found a cure for cancer and left office with a trillion dollar surplus, and you'd STILL hate him! If FDR had to put up with such an openly hostile media dissecting every little nuance of every syllable he uttered, half this country would be speaking German right now, and the other half Japanese. I think he was a RINO with all his spending and government expansion, but the country we live in today is Obama's not Bush's, and BHO needs to own up to his own failures, not keep blaming his predecessor.
The Republicans couldn't stop the Democrats from doing whatever they wanted for the first two years of Obama's presidency--they were in the minority in BOTH houses--and yet, the Democrats still had to resort to midnight back-door politics and political mumbo-jumbo in order to get ObamaCare passed.
Hawaii, I hear what you're saying about finding 'any' job to put food on the table, pay bills, and keep moving forward, that is all well and good, for an ADULT, NOT a CHILD. What Gingrich is implying then, is that we should strike down child labor laws and become like a 3rd world country, putting children to work. What next, factory jobs, like in China that pay them pennies on the dollar? And which underpriviledged children, Hawaii? Just Inner-city kids? What about the rural poor? How about the millions who are at poverty level right now? Should they get 2nd and third paying jobs? Should America just turn it's back on them and say 'they made their bed, now they have to sleep in it?' Is THAT the America you want? Is THAT what it is like to be Republican? I DARE the GOP to tell that to the miilions at poverty level living in the RED states, who shoot themselves in the foot in spite of themselves, to prop up these cowards as 'saviors' of their political party. If they only realized what really would happen if THEIR social services were cut because the GOP continuously says 'Government has gotten too big!' Bush II gutted the middle class with hundreds of thousands of job losses his last term in office, and yet 'people' yell at president Obama that he isn't moving fast enough in 3 years? That kind of mindset is akin to having cooked with a reg. oven for several years, and then you get a brand new microwave oven, stand in front of it, and yell 'cook faster!' You can NEVER expect the economy to change THAT drastically in 3 years, what it took 8 years to tear down, but it IS moving back up, however slow it is. President Obama has TRIED to pass jobs bills, only to be thwarted by the GOP, by their pushing their own agendas and adding bills to his bills, which the Senate will never pass. The GOP are always saying they put jobs bills through the Senate just for it to sit there. You ever look at their bills? They involve the relaxing of regulations to corporations that put toxic materials in the air and water. They are tax reforms for corporations. All this they consider 'jobs bills' because they believe it will 'help' create jobs by giving companies more space to do what they want, thereby loosening the company's belt to hire. The Keystone Pipeline, for instance. The GOP keep yelling that President Obama killed it, when that is patently false. Obama said he would sign the bill for passage once ALL the enviromental, economical, and political evaluations are done. And yet the GOP tried to ramrod it through attached to another job bill/unemployment extension Obama wanted passed, just to look good to their constituents. Trickle-down economics didn't work for Reagan, Bush I or Bush II, but they keep going back to the trough because they have nothing else. As I said in an earlier post - What and where do the GOP want to take America back to? They obviously don't know, but they just don't want prosperity for ALL Americans, just the elite.
@JEM:
The reason why so few people take Ron Paul seriously is his downright scary stance on national defense. I'll admit, he has some interesting things to say regarding the IRS and the Federal Reserve Bank, but his isolationist stance on foreign policy would lead us to being irrelevant as a world power, and would most likely lead to us being attacked by countries or organizations hostile to the American ideals, if not invaded. There are multiple reasons for maintaining bases overseas:
Remember what Teddy Roosevelt said about "Walk softly, but carry a big stick"? Well, a nuclear aircraft carrier or a stealth bomber is a VERY big stick. We can't allow our country to take a back seat to anyone. We are the only ones the world can count on to play by the rules. If the biggest kid on the block just sits back and allows the bullies to dominate the weaker kids, what does that say about our character as a nation?
Fantomdog, I don't know what kind of bizarro world you live in, or what side of the looking glass you came from, but each and every thing you accuse the GOP of doing was actually perpetuated by the Democrats. Newt's comments about allowing children to learn some work skills while going to school (and possibly earn a little money while doing so) was about an OPPORTUNITY not a MANDATE. No one would be forced to participate, and it wouldn't be any different than shop class, or Home Economics or auto shop. It's a chance for them to learn how the real world works and how to apply what you have learned to becoming a self-reliant adult, rather than how to sponge off the government. How can you, or anyone else, possibly see racist motives and a return to 19th century sweatshops in that?
As for the cuts in social programs, we had generations of citizens in this country who, if they couldn't afford something, they did without. They learned from the school of hard knocks that you can't always get everything you want. These were the men and women who built the Empire State Building in just three years. Made the brand "Made in the U.S.A." the most desired brand in the world. Fought two World Wars. Going back further, built the trans-continental railroad. These hard-working, frugal, make-do-with-what-you-have-and-don't-complain-about-what-you-don't are who we look back on today as the best of what exemplifies the American spirit. A mother tries to give her children evrything they want, a father makes them earn it. I know 17-year old kids still in high school who have as many as 4 part-time jobs. Why should it be humiliating for a mother or father to do the same for their family as these teenagers do to earn some cash for their cel phone bill?
Trickle-down economics not only worked, it led to the biggest economic boom this country has seen since the end of WWII. Bill Clinton was still benefitting from the idea that letting Americans keep more of their money means they're more likely to spend it or invest it when he took office 12 years later! Do you think the dot.com boom of the 90s could possibly have happened in today's economic climate? No freakin' way! Too many taxes, too many regulations, too many governmental palms to grease. As to why we're hemoraging jobs overseas, I've got two words for ya--NAFTA and unions. That boondoggle program kicked open the doors for corporations to take their businesses where the labor pool was cheaper, because why would Phil Knight want to pay an American union worker $40/hr to stich up some Nikes when he can have them made in Vietnam and shipped halfway around the world for less than a third of that? And he supports Democrats!
You liberals have absolutely no concept of self-reliance or free-market economics. You can't legislate morality and fairness. This country has struggled to where it is today IN SPITE OF YOU, NOT BECAUSE OF YOU! Obama can't even get full Democratic support for his policies. The Republicans don't have to obstruct anything! It was the Dems in Congress who first shut out the GOP completely, then used back-door politics just to get Obamacare passed. Now that the GOP has control of one house of Congress, Harry Reid won't even allow the bills coming from the House to be voted on in the Senate! THAT's obstructionism!
Neighbor,
Ron Paul doesn't want to cut down our Military he just wants to keep us out of frivolous conflicts that cost us 890 billion dollars a pop..
The Primary is a joke, a deep dark secret to the common man. Controlled media.
Neighbor of the Beast; George W Bush ran this country into the ground so that he and his cronies could make a profit off the war in Iraq. He literally did this on the bodies of all of our good people who died defending Iraq from the supposed"weapons of mass destruction" that were never found. Oh by the way there is a program for kids in high school, that would like to work it is called CO-OP which has been going on for years!! This a program where they try and set up kids, who are seniors, up with a job in the area they are interest in going into such as accounting, welding, etc. Children below the age 17 need to be studying not working, they can be doing some volunteer work but home work is more important. The Republicans and the Tea Party idiots are holding Congress hostage by not allowing bills to be passed to help the middle class, they would rather sit on their asses and let this country go right down the tube. The Republicans will not win the Presidential Election due to the fact there is not a good candidate among them bunch of them, and if the Republicans and the Tea Party idiots continue the way they are you will see a lot of them getting kicked out of Congress in the next election.
I think the real question should be...did Rommnet actually win this or did he buy it ? With out spending at 5 to 1 on adds...seems to me more like he poaid heaveyly for a win...I have to wonder if the spending were the same for all in elections..would we get the same results..or would we get better suited individuals for the offices they run for ?
I worked a few hours each week for less than minimum wage selling newspaper subscriptions when I was about 12 or 13. It allowed me to make some money and learn a work ethic. I think this experience significantly contributed to my success later in life, and I would like other kids to have similar opportunities.
I don't want to see kids working factories or coal mines, but I do think it's good to allow kids to do some work at an early age - and the minimum wage is too high to make this worthwhile for companies. I think Newt has a valid point that, in some areas, kids are growing up around generations of adults that haven't worked in years (ever?) and they do not have any good role models in their immediate community to teach them how to be productive adults. Allowing kids to do some tasks and get some monetary reward would start to build that work ethic in the kids. I would like to see a compromise solution so we can help others build the work ethic and skills needed so they can enjoy the success I've enjoyed in life.
Makes no difference who wins for the GOP. They are all wasting their time and other peoples money!
I'm old enough to remember how proud I was of Newt his first two years. I'm also remember the last two years was so embarrassing for all Republicans. Ethics violation, Cheating on his wife and steeping down as speaker. Conservative & Christian. I think an ego is what we are dealing with and that is why he is so mean and vicious toward Romney. Rush said four years ago, do you know what the difference between a legislator and a governor is. The US usually picks a Governor because they are leaders and Obama hasn't ran a cool-lade stand. Now many of you want to pick a Legislator again. After Obama & McCain you would think we would learn why our country is in the pits and not getting out. Just remember what was Newt before the Adultery but that's OK because he is Catholic now. At his age he changed. I don't buy it and don't see it.
Only Romney and Ron Paul are on all the 50 states ballots. Gingrich and Santorum are not, therefore, the chances for Newt and Santorum have been lowered considerably.
Search or google polling fraud against Ron Paul. Looks like the Primaries and Caucuses are being rigged.
Ivan,
Even if the candidates had the same amount of money, they would still have the opportunity to spend it how they see fit. It isn't as if Gingrich didn't have more money that he could have spent - he made a decision to spend less in FL so that he would have more later. And, the fact that Romney had a strategy in place that was designed to secure a victory should not be held against him - it is actually a good thing to have someone that has good organizational and leadership skills running for President.
I believe that placing secret service agents for Romney is a travesty upon us, the taxpaying citizens!!! He is supposedly incredibly wealthy, and he can hire his own bodyguards!!! He is not the President yet (and he will not be if the majority of Americans come to their senses, unless you love our country being trillions in debt, (which by the way will bring Austerity measures eventually), you love having to go thru radiation scanners, and/or being sexually molested every time you fly, not to mention your items being confiscated, all our police currently being Federalized, and many more of our liberties being taken away every day!!!
neighborofthebeast: never been invaded by a foreign power in the history of our country? Uh, War of 1812? British burning down the White House? Sound familiar??
John-3078515 is OBVIOUSLY a @!$%#ing BIRTHER (and we know just how intelligent THEY are)
becomingme - the sky is falling...THE SKY IS FALLING!!
Now WHO was it that said that?...
Jeez, he's just so darned smarmy.
This is total bullcrap and if you had a clue about life in the inner-city you would know it.... I teach there and let me tell you almost all of the parents of my students work and work more than one job. What you should be concerned about is that they are working so hard they and still can't meet the needs of their children and be at home at all. And don't go giving me that "if you can't take care of the kids, don't have them" because a whole lot of these folks could afford the children they had until the markets crashed, and the housing bubble burst and there weren't any more jobs. It never ceases to amaze me the same people who say "don't have kids you can't take care of" are USUALLY the same folks who are against abortions... Stop believing the BS about welfare queens.. that is certainly not all of the inner-city much less most of it.... and BTW inner-city has been a code word for "black" and "brown" for years and don't pretend to be so naive you didn't know that!
neighborofthe beast. you say: "The man(BushII) could've solved the world's energy problems, found a cure for cancer and left office with a trillion dollar surplus, and you'd STILL hate him!"
What are you thinking? He has done the exact opposite.
you must be in denial or something. He pushed for more oil in our life, denied medical research based on stem cells and stuck us with pending mega-trillion dollar debt and unemployment. whatever he "accomplished" successfully was not real, it was artificial paper accounting gimmicks. He must have had some really good CPAs strategizing for him. So yeah, we hate him because he screwed us all and this country.
Fantomdog, you say "You can NEVER expect the economy to change THAT drastically in 3 years, what it took 8 years to tear down, but it IS moving back up, however slow it is".
I agree completely and it reminds me of a history teacher of mine who when we were screwing up in class used to punish us with writing 100 times: " I would rather slide down the fun slippery slope of ignorance than climb the arduous mountain of knowledge" . you get the idea.
What they deride as being 'liberal' is mainstream. Neocons believe that helping people is 'liberal,' therefore, helping people is wrong. Well if the government "for the people, of the people, and by the people," doesn't help the people, then who does it help? Only conservatives , and their own corporations? (The Koch Brothers would love that).
If the Tea Party neocons had their way, there would be no unifying government; basically, we would have an unstable condition of "states' rights" anarchy, mixed in with theological rule by Christian megachurches. They would use their arbitrary, frequent, and literal adhering to the wording of the Constitution and the Bible, as their defense to impose their oppressive decisions onto others.
And I agree with all of the concerned american citizens. Romney would have a hard time explaining his tax returns from his time at Bain, making obscene profit by raiding companies. HE NEEDS TO DO LIKE HIS DAD SAID, AND SHOW WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS ON HIS TAX FORMS.
Yo...you might want to ask obozo where he pickedf up his $1BILLION IN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS hypocritical dipsticks. I suspect it didn't come from the "99%." You hypocrits are a frickin' joke and obozo's playing you all like a grand piano.
rojpg -- can you give us the definition of "neocon" beyond "someone I really, really don't like whom I think is wrong about everything"?
Yea, you're right Slide 6. We're just not as smart as you. I mean, obozo? How intelligent is that? About 3rd grade level as far as I can tell. Why don't you give some more of your witicism's. We'd all enjoy that.
It is ironic how liberals claim that all of the masses are liberal. That "for the people, of the people, and by the people" means they should have everything handed to us. You bash states rights. Maybe you should read the constitution. Did they not advocate for states rights? How is it okay for you to trample over the rights of someone else to get what you want? How is it ok for you to take what someone else has worked for. If you don't like the freedoms that this country provides by all means, Please move to a country that wants to provide you everything. China I am sure would love to have you!!!
Yo WC, I mean sliders, where in the world did you get the $1 Billion in campaign contributions from?
and Obama is not greedy oh ya your right he just likes to give away 5,000,000 to a nonprofit making company
Dope Smokers Local 420 say: Obama 2012.
Plus drink more Bacardi.
Little Debbie Swiss Roll snack cakes are killer munchies :)
President Obama gave $5 million to a church? wow
Funny how the right wing doesn't see the danger from religious zealots at home but find vague connections with Islamic fundamentalism abroad. There is a reason the Founding Fathers separated church and state...
If you're assuming that there is nothing mainstream or "grass roots" in the tea party; I think an error in judgement is being made. And on the other side of the fence, and I do think some would hate this suggestion, but I think the same applies to Occupy Wallstreet as well.
There's a growing disgust, anymosity, and certain ill feelings which is growing in this country. About as much as there's a certain fatigue if you will, growing among many who keep getting blasted with all the negative ads of the super-pacs, etc.... There might be a difference in exactly what the respective people (on the right or the left in these respective movements) are disgusted with; but the sentiment itself seems very similar; and vary much a part (or a growing part) of the populace at large....
For myself, politicians or bankers, the government or Wallstreet; in the end they are, and practically have been in bed with each other for decades, or even more then a century.... So I really don't see issue with pointing a finger at the both of em :p Just take the whole issue surrounding SOPA for instance; until some uproar came about, it got like unanymous support in the Congressional committee (and some commented that Congress can't even agree unanymously on the lunch menu). Congress dess was doing this BUT there was most definitely special interests they were supporting, who lobbied them in the first place. And herein is where players like the recording industry enter in.... On the other hand, who's paying those large campaign contributions? In the end, a lot of people are practically in bed together, on both sides of this one, so meh wrt the nit picking of "but they're blaming this group and not that".... Both of em, are players in all of this.... But just looking at the sentiments themselves; and setting aside who it's directed towards, there is some common theme...
Nice response and very true. Both sides are from the same coin so to say. Northeast elites run both parties. All you have to do is look at the Rockefellers.
Steve L.-2369556
"Dope Smokers Local 420 say: Obama 2012.
Plus drink more Bacardi.
Little Debbie Swiss Roll snack cakes are killer munchies :)"
Steve L - I still say Chris Christie Kreme for president. When he found out that Hostess was going bancrupt he made a campaign promise that if elected he would bail them out completely . He would get the full endorsement from Local 420. Nothing like a pack of Suzy Qs about an hour after a doob chased by a rum and coke!
I believe the Fla Repubs just told the rest of the states that they are with the 1% elite.
They are doing their part to get Corp America's man in the White House.
If Romney does get there, who will be his Sec of the Treasury? The current head of Goldman Sachs, or maybe he will just go for some new blood and put one of the current "Too big to fail Banksters" in the position.
After all, Rothchild said "Give me control of a country's money and I care less who makes its laws."
Its not going to matter, the majority want Obama out and thats were's he going.He'll make a fortune next year on the tour circuit as a stand up comedian..
wow what people dont seem to understand is that the whole republics are screwing all of us and tell the people lies ,,what has any of them done for the people but take and take from all of us doesn't everyone know that if it was not for us the people there would not be a USA .,,come on we the people ,,we need to stand and fight for our rights and our country these reps all they do is get richer while we the people get poorer ,,,,
AHH yes Florida is ready to vote for a 1%'er. Like he will raise taxes on the rich (he is one of them ) Way to go Florida. Like Feisty said there are 46 states to go.
I do not know why InPS comment was collapsed what was wrong with that??
Republicans donate WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more money to charity than Democrats do. There's been numerous studies to back this fact up. What's even more showing is that Republicans donate more of their TIME to charity than Democrats. So when i see someone say that helping people is a liberal idea and therefor conservatives don't do that i have to laugh.
Unfortunately this all really comes from a fundamental difference of HOW TO HELP PEOPLE. Democrats believe it's the governments duty to have all these programs. Republicans believe people should be helping people, and that the government should stay out of it.
Mitt Romney won because he's the more moderate of the Republicans running. That said he is still basically identical to Newt and Santorum. He has the best chance of winning in the national election. This national election really is going to determine if we end up being a socialist style nation or not. If you think it's the governments job to help people pay for their healthcare, food, housing, childcare, and pay them if they lost their job. Then vote for Obama. If you think it's YOUR responsibility to pay for those things yourself, and that if people are have trouble doing that then PEOPLE should be the ones to help. Then vote for the Republican.
This garbage of people trying to divide and paint each other in different lights is sickening. Republicans aren't greedy rich white men who only care about themselves. Democrats aren't ultra hippies who all believe in cradle to the grave care and free love. Stop this garbage and talk about the issues!
plstop - I don't know about Obama giving any money away except to his wife but he has SPENT over 5 TRILLION of OUR money.
Lady Rod - You seem to be a smart lady. Who do you really think is bringing down this country. You believe the Republicans are doing at it. The Libs and Democrats believe in spending, taxing, and taking from anyone that will give them money. They want everyone to share even those that don't deserve a dime because they don't want to work. Republicans are crooks too but not just them. It starts at the TOP and works down. ALL Politicians are corrupt but everyone thinks their candidate is the one that will make a difference. Everyone is so gullible it's not even funny. Dems think their candidate is the one. HaHa!!! Republicans think they have the one. HaHa!!!
This country will go down in flames and everybody will blame everybody else. LOOK IN THE MIRROR!! Paul is the only answer that I can see. He is NOT a republican but a true libertarian. He believes in States and Individuals rights, less Govt, less taxes. and so on.
You get what YOU deserve!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every time I see Newt on TeeVee, i get hungry for a BLT. Must be subliminal.
Don't be silly. They're all for Paul.
Conservatives don't believe that helping people is wrong, we believe that the government forcing us to help is wrong. Conservatives, by a staggering margin, donate FAR more to private charities and local help organizations than liberals do, and we do it because it's the right thing to do, not because the government makes us. Even James Madison, the author of the Bill of Rights once said, and I'm paraphrasing here, "I cannot endeavor to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which allows the government to expend, as objects of charity, the tax money of our citizens". Giving a person money taken from the person who earned it with no strings attached robs them of their will. Keeping people on the unemployment rolls for 99 weeks dulls down not only their job skills, but their job seeking skills and their inter-personal skills.
Not that it matters, BTW, but I've been a conservative all my life. I didn't recently switch to conservatism. I'm not new to the game. I'm not a "neo" conservative, I'm an "always-have-been" conservative. You toss out the term "neocon" as if you don't really understand what it means, so I thought maybe a little explanation was in order.
C'mon now, we all know that he was referring to the 500 MILLION (and then some, but who's counting when it's other peoples' money, right?) he gave to Solyndra. No need to pick on people who have poor keyboarding skills, or maybe were just in a hurry and fat-fingered their keys.
Actually, we should be voting for Ron Paul, the only candidate who has openly expressed an interest in ending the war on drugs. Just sayin'.
This figure is always distorted by donations to churches which may or may not be used for charitable purposes. I work at a soup kitchen weekly and do volunteer litter pickup practically every day. Oddly I live in an ultra conservative city but the people I work with are almost exclusively liberal.
From my own personal observation I see a lot of conservative types who make donations and stand back and let others do the grunt work. They get the tax break. But of course those like your absurd remarks are generalities. They don't apply to all.
Nothing will change. The Battle Royal shall continue.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Can we please switch over to "steel cage"? Or a "ladder match", no time limit, no disqualification. The McMahon family -- Republicans all -- could promote it as a PPV and it would be the best "grass-roots" fundraiser in history!
Just watching loser Blingrich losing speech. What a lying fat old gas bag!! The fight goes on against this slimy pig!!!!.........
and I forgot delusional ....
Newt did not even have the grace (let alone class) to congratulate his opponent. But what else would you expect from a slimy turd we all thought had been flushed for good fifteen years ago?
Obviously Newt's a floater.
Im not anywhere near a Newt fan...... but piggy boy you need to find a life .......you only have 46 more states to go!
None of this matters. Noone is going to beat Obama in Nov. Keep finding things to write about with these candidates but Obama is still going to win. There is NO doubt about it.
We'll see in Nov. Don't hold your breath...you might want to come out of the obozo methane.
Say what you will, but just sit back and watch him get sworn in again.
Obama won't get one single vote today in Florida...........I hope the trend continues across the entire country........
My friend recently moved to Florida, she'll vote for him. So that's one. Ha!
Why? Isn't there a Democratic Primary also?
big, kinda hard for President Obama to get a vote in Florida since it is just registered Republicans voting. sheesh
how and why will he win ? oh because he raises more campaign money
Daytona Beach, Florida checking in.
Obama 2012.
Almost teabag ballsack time.
Mr Romney seems to be doing quite well in the money department, too.
America is bought and sold by special interests on both sides.
Continue on now with your bashing of each other.
pl, I'd draw you a Venn Diagram, but then I'd have to explain it to you.
Jeb didn't even want to run for President since he knew there was no way he could beat the President. Same goes for Mitch, Rudy, Mike, Cris... they all knew they would have their arses handed to them on a platter.
Oh this is going to be so good to watch Ramney trip over his tongue...
LouisJ
Right! Fart-face Newt has already tripped over his dick, and will continue to do so.
500,000 dead voters can't be wrong.
Well, allow me to say I work in a hospital and the majority of the hospital want Obama out of office as do most of our patients. So, if Romney wins that's where the vote will go. If Newt wins then YES Obama will be the winner come November.
Wait till the hospital administrators discover that without ObamaCare, pre-existing conditions won't be paid for any more. Patients will have to leave, go home, and die, doctors won't get paid, the administrator won't get his bonus--oh. you'll have a couple of rich people up on the fifth floor splitting it between the two of them, but the regular people won't have any way to pay for their illnesses and injuries. And guess what will happen when the Republicans get through gutting Medicare. None of those crocks littering up the hallway, that's for sure (and there has been a Republican movement in Congress to cut veterans' care, isn't that sweet?).
They'll want Obama back, then, I expect.
Phine I find my self agreeing a lot with you lately. But on the HeathCare issue. Several medical groups in the Detroit area are choosing to NOT accept any insurance (they are saying because of Mr. Obama's bill) My Doctors group (he explained this to me last week) got together with a medical law group to try and see a way through this huge costly mess. The Lawyers told them to pay off what they currently have with Insurance payments and stop taking ALL insurance. So they looked at what they charge for a vist and what Medicare pays and set the price of an office visit. The price point came in at $40. So his group of 20 doctors and 40 some staff members will as of the 1st of Jan 2012 work on cash only. I have to start entering my own insurance claims (like the old days) This man has been my wife and my doctor for 17 years and is a very very good doctor and business man. For him and his peers to have made this decision could not have been easy. I wish I could scan the letters to prove to the liberals on here but I fear even that would not convince you. It looks like a lot of doctors will opt out because that cant just not except the presidents legislation. My wife is in a pickle because her main Insurance company does not have a manual input option. The Labs will accept insurance so thats not an issue but all Dr. visits have to be cash.
all of the rabid RETHUGs need to cure their conditions of cranial rectal insertion. It's very easy - grasp your ears firmly but gently with your hands and pull firmly but gently until the smell of fecal matter abates. SEE - it's very easy to get your head out of your ass. It just takes conscious effort
First we're going to get rid of Newt, and then it's on to "Big Ears."
why are you picking on Ron Paul about his ears?
Eddie the kid---Leave ron paul alone --- I agree with Jon -----ron s ears should not be an issue
Romney is the GOP Obama, he will switch to whatever side he thinks will support him. In his own mind he is pragmatic. However he is another oppportunist taking a page from the Obama playbook. I hope we get a blonde first lady, but not Mrs. Romney.
Betty White for VP. Not political, but I'd love to hear her news confrences.
Why, because Callista is okay with "open marriages"?
The way she follows Newt around ...... Im thinking open marriage is not an option in her playbook.
the lizard might just be a "Tiger", eh?
A "Shinny Turd" with lots of money from buy out investment's at Bain Capital, will win the GOP. I wonder if all the people that lost there jobs from the companies he bought out will vote for him? Mitt still has not shown everybody all his money he has hidden offshore.
and he won't anyhow, if he doesn't win the presidency, which he won't , he'll have to revert back to loan sharking and he doesn't want anyone to know all the aces he holds. disclosure is voluntary pretty much, so no, he won't say too much. he must have millions of dollars offshore, maybe hundreds. all covered by privacy laws. he probably invests in the stock market from offshore accounts to destabilize or pump up companies at will, so he can pounce on them, short, long.... the whole gaming.
Explain to me why is the "Mormon" religion even a factor? Did Newt win SC because of his religion...this is a country that is no respector of religion...what religion a person is should not be any type of political sway...protestant, catholic, atheist, or whatever... Romney is running as a man NOT a religion...why did you not publish the other candidate's affiliation...there are probably more atheist in the State of Nevada than Mormons...I, for one, am voting for the best candidate to lead this great nation. Not the candidate the news team seem to want to push down my throat....MSN get religion out of politics it is already a circus, it doesn't need anymore clowns!!!
The only way religion can be a factor is if someone seems to be more loyal to it than he is to the good of the country. JFK answered that so well in 1960 that people should be past it by now!
If religion didn't play into things; we wouldn't still be having religious battles, court cases over the subject, or have the subject come up again and again. It comes up all the time, from whether a kid should be able to select Christmas songs for a playlist during a school holiday event that (forget even religious words, can't contain words like santa or reindeer, sorry Roodolph), cases such as the murial that contained a prayer which the students painted some time back, or wrt the religious right on the other hand. It plays out again and again, precisely because it is, or has become a hot button topic on more side then one....
Perhaps another person's religion shouldn't be as much of an issue (if from both the non-establishment, but ALSO the freedom to practice clauses of the first amendment) people could live, and let live (wrt each person's own individual conscience); but this doesn't seem to be where we are as a nation. And because all don't agree on matters of religion, religious disagreements and arguments (and sometimes even court arguments) is where it all ends up....
drumr and rlqu: I wish religion wasn't a factor, but it is. Do either of you think an athiest or a Buddhist with a terrific economic plan would have any chance at all of winning the presidency?
dslsca - Do you think a Muslim with a terrific economic plan has a chance to destroy this country. I think I would rather have a atheist or anyone better than Obama. Although the Moron religion is a cult, I don't think it will matter in this election. I am a Pagan and I do VOTE.
Unfortunately, the main stream of GOP blind followers think that the gop's refusal to pay for abortion, makes the party right to life. Give me a break. The gop refuses to pay for anything needed by the un-rich. They, the Greedy Old Party, only sponsor the rich and the businesses that pay them, the party, back. Money, only money matters. People are complications needed to do business.
If the GOP cared about anybody, after the refusal of an abortion, health care, education, and a real chance for a future would be in the plan. Non- aborted kids, grow and become big enough to fight in the wars for oil the the gop start.
Oboma 2012-2016
Romney the man "I love to fire people" is also part and parcel of Bain Capital........that great example of corporate greed and capitalism that "saved" a few companies that they could sell at big profits for themselves but devastated a lot more by putting them into debt levels they could not recover from.............Jobs lost?? Remember the "I love to fire people" part?
bikeboy - there is a post of mine a few up on how to cure "cranial rectal insertion". Read it and learn
I Disagree----If I told you the American Indians were Israelites and that Jesus came to America and , you would think it quaint, but absurd. It does speak to ones judgement. Well, talking snakes is just as bad. I guess alot of tribes have quaint ideas.
I'd still love to so my old friend Newt pull this one off!
Am just sick of it all!!! I am OVER it already--and it has already been playing for a year! We have another 10 months to go? NOOOOOO!!!!!
Really, only nine, but I still agree. Wish we could do it like Canada and have it over in six wks. (Even if that meant an appointed Senate, just as long as we kept their rule that they are out at 75.)
rlqu: but if we had that age rule, we'd have missed out on thirty years of Strom Thurmond!
I'm just glad it's over for us in FL until the general election-at least as far as the constant negative political ads are concerned (between Romney and Gingrinch-they were basically the only ones campaigning here)! It was maddening!
over for NOW - wait until July to November - I won't even turn on the TV with all of the @!$%# slinging that will b going on
Seen Too Much - don't look now, but the congressional and state races will also be getting into gear soon......
Can't help but wonder if InPS will still be talking about "the buying of the presidency" when Mr. Obama unleashes his nearly $1 billion warchest this coming summer.
Ron Paul has my vote in Nevada... he's the only one with a consistent message
TIDubai----Being wrong consistently is not a virtue--Ron does bring some levity to the race tho,especially with Bbachmann and Perry gone.
It's Mitt's turn
Santorum actually won Iowa, Newt won the last one, So,,,,,,,Mitt has to either win or go home, Should be interesting to see how low Florida voters are willing to go to put a Republican in the whitehouse,,,,It's all about a vote for the least pathetic excuse for a Presidential candidate, Obama has already won, Give the speech and let's get on with fixing the economy.
"LOL"
The vote in Florida will be sectional. The difference between Tampa and Jacksonville voters, and Miami and Orlando voters is like night and day. Who got the early voting votes and absentee votes are the big clue of who wins and by how much.
BO-1925019 Didn't you hear!!!!! CBO says that the economic future is a best bleak!! Unemployment is going to rise to 9% this year and go to 10% next. The economy is going to rise 2% in 2012 and 1% in 2013. Obama has won alright!!!!! LMAO
BikeBoy-4484306 thanks here is the highlights of our future according to the CBO as reported by The Wall Street Journal. 1) Growth will slow to just 1.1% in 2013 because of tax increases, spending cuts, and other factors. CBO projects 2012 GDP to increase just 2%.
2) Unemployment rate will stay above 7% until 2015. It will increase to 8.9% at end of this year and hit 9.2% at the end of 2013.
3) Deficit will be $1.1 trillion in 2012, the fourth consecutive year above $1 trillion.} Obama has no clue how to turn our economy around!
LiFe&LiBeRtY.defender I think you said it best.
Unless you have heard something I haven't the cons want to "fix" the problems you cite by 1. doing away with most environmental regulations; 2. cancelling the Obama health care plan (but not substituting anything except "private" insurance where they deny coverage and raise rates at will....business as usual for profit$$); 3. lowering taxes (on the rich if they do away with inheritance and capital gains taxes which is part of the plan; Romney would then pay 0-1% tax.....sweet); 4. doing away with many worthless government regulations and departments like consumer affairs, Medicaid, privatize Medicare (more profits.....ooops efficiency out there in that "private" sector) and the education department (don't need that dang burn wirthless and expensiv book lernin); and 5. Drill baby drill everywhere and all the time from the continental shelf to the National parks and then export that oil to China to bring down our trade deficit (no oil for YOU in the US)........anything real positive you see in these plans? Have a great life in the "new" world.
Tired of negative advertising? Allow the advertising to sway your vote? Do you ever try fact checking what is in the negative advertising? Or even positive advertising? Why don't you just choose your man like you would any bid? Throw the highest bid away, throw the lowest bid away and go with the middle. Personally I am hoping Gingrich becomes the man nationwide, but in a brokered convention. I love seeing all this money flowing. That has got to be helping out some economy somewhere.
It's certainly had to be good for cable TV and radio. Hope that they are getting all of their money up front, though!
The super pacs had the nerve to show a political commercial during Sportscenter. The hubby had a fit!
One doesn't have to be swayed by all of all the negative campaigning of the super pacs (who in many cases are actually run by former members of the candidates own campaigns, and not always "that former"), to be sick of it already. Not really anymore so, then one would have to believe every word that comes out of the local gossip, to be tired of hearing a gossip prattle on with the lattest rumor everytime you meet them in the halls. Sometimes, one just doesn't want to hear it, continually.
Course, at least the TV can be turned off, a co-worker at work, there's no on/off switch for their mouth, lol Some people do like to carry on with juicy gossip, as they tear everyone apart with rumors and inuendo; others simply tire of the drama. Hell I remember one time when my car broke down, and I had to wait for the city bus, I had the misfortune of meeting one such negative/gossipy individual.
I was sitting there waiting for the bus, when she walked up; and first words "see that Denny's over there? They're such horrible people. They actually wanted to charge me $3 for this piece of pie. They're terrible." Then she went on to trash talking her husband, her kids, and on and on, from one person to another, going through everyone she knew. Then in the midst of carrying on as such, she up and
Hell, one couldn't have even got a word in, even if they wanted to. Then she went on talking about how horrible everyone she knows is, and ended it with what a terrible person her pschiatrist is.... Oooo, I wasn't expecting that one :o She was like "he thinks I can quit smoking, but he's such a loser, he doesn't know, blah, blah, blah".... At this point I'm really starting to get a bit uncomfortable, I can only wonder why she was seeing a shrink. But in the end, when it comes to all this negative campaigning, eventually people can fatigue of it; and it has nothing to do with believing, what the person is saying, or even wanting to engage in any of it.... If I was less polite, I might have told her, and some of these super pacs to get a life, and cut some of the drama already :o
I gotta say Nuadormrac, you almost sound as I would imagin this woman would be like. But I get your meaning.
We try to teach our kids that bullying is wrong and most of the people that are trying to be the number one person in our country, are demonstrating their very worst behavior. Someone know anyone worth voting for?
Geff, there isn't anyone worth voting for ...that's quite evident. The only thing to do is to choose the lesser of both evils.
Write-in candidate: Alfred E. Neuman.
I wrote in Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck in 2000 and they actually got elected!
Dear GOP,
Citizens United is still a great decision, yes?
You need to find the super pacs where george soros is putting in HIS millions. He supports mediamatters, moveon.org, and a bunch of other left-wing socialist whack groups all the while making money in oil and other investments the left-wing suckers are against. You nuts are a joke.
Thank you, "Slide 6"...you completely missed the point of my post.
At least it's anonymous both ways. I would say this: Unless we are willing to amend the constitution to provide for campaign reform, including finance (and I am), then the best "reform" would be that every dime given to any candidate or any group has to be fully accounted for by name, address, and employer of each contributor. This way, if people still want someone after learning that they are pretty much fully funded by the Koch Bros, George Soros, the National Right-to-Work Committee, the AFL-CIO or whoever, at least they can reasonably know what they'll probably be getting.
Full disclosure is needed. How would we ever know if any foreign owned entities are contributing, otherwise?
I have given a few small monetary contributions to the DNC and the Obama campaign and so have millions of others. I've also sent a check to help elect Elizabeth Warren and I live in the midwest! I may not be able to contribute much money but my time volunteering is valuable, too.
Obama/Biden 2012
Cynthia,
"From your lips to God's ear!" That's what my grandmother used to say. That is what scares me so much about these pacs.
Grover Norquist and the Koch Brothers give to the Super PACs of their choice; and the unions and George Soros give to the Super PACs of their choice.
Most of the former is already being spent on the primary fight while the latter racks up more and more for the fight in the Fall.
Section 8...
Please wake up America and start voting by your intervoice! The very thing that most are complaining about "the 1%ers is what is taking place. Romey has placed over 13 million in negative adds in Flordia alone but not one add states his agenda for repairing a broken America. A vote for Santorum is a vote for not only your future but the future of your children and grandchildren. STAND UP AND SHOW THE 1%ers your vote can not be purchased and vote for Santorum now. He has given us clear objections and agenda's for reparing America. We can not take another four years of Obama or a Obama wantabe such as Romney. Please everyone show support for Santorum and rush to support him by donating now 10.00 each ( less than 1 days lunch). Lets try to make this an even playing field. OUR FUTURE DEPENDS ON IT!! Time has ran out on politics as usual
You spend too much for lunch.
You know Josiecat... I'm a democrat and plan to vote for Obama but in listening to these debates, one thing comes through loud and clear... there is no way in the world I could vote for Romney or Gingrich. They both come across as complete idiots. Romney lives in a whole different world than the rest of us and Newt's lying, cheating past tells me what he is. Newt might say he is a changed man but take it from me, if this man becomes the most powerful man in the world, the old Newt will be back and his "charm" will cause this country to be the most hated country in the world. I don't think Newt cares about anybody other than Newt.
When I listen to Santorum, he makes sense and he seems very knowledgeable on most of the issues. He seems like a "serious" candidate with conviction who would take the job seriously. But Santorum's staunch and ultra-conservative views are just too much for me.
I also like Ron Paul but some of his ideas just scare the heck out of me and I don't think he would get anything accomplished with a Republican and Democratic congress. Both parties would actively try to make Ron Paul a one-term President! And I do believe that business practices need to be kept in check in order to "protect" the American people. We need government for some things and I think Ron Paul would eliminate most government if he had his way. I don't trust business to police itself at the expense of profit.
Sorry... my vote is for Obama... I think his heart is in the right place and hopefully we will get enough Democrats back into Congress for him to get something accomplished! The obstructionist party (GOP) has just pissed me off for the last 3 years!
The democrat party and liberals in general have pissed me off for fifty years. I have watched them systematically destroy this great country. Obama is a narcissist and his heart is reserved for himself. He has absolutely no clue what the majority of this country needs or wants because he has never been a legitimate part of this culture. He was selected and trained specifically for what he is doing. Dismantling this country, once the infrastructure is gone he and his commie pals will go for the totalitarian regime he desires .
When it comes to Santorum--oddly enough, I'd like women to have the right to use birth control. I'm funny that way. All that does is give any rapist the right to force women to bear his children.
And all the pro-lifers like to say, 'well, if you were planning on having sex you should have used birth control." Now they want to take that away, too.
A Clue: Women don't always plan on having sex. Sometimes it's planned for them.
Santorum is a religious nut, who could never be elected president of the United States. Most people will never vote for an anti-contraception, religious zealot.
Rick Santorum said rape victims should think of the babies conceived during their assault as gifts from God, this guy is weird.
vote for that insane @!$%#ing IDIOT santorum? GAG... he belongs in an asylum with the other lunatics
Pennsylvania had the good sense to kick his sorry ass to the curb where he "right"fully belongs
I find despicable the way the MSM is trying to sway the results of elections with the results of all their "polls." Why can't they simply report the news, as they are supposed to, rather than trying to create and control it. Does anyone trust them any more? I remember a MSM poll years ago which stated that Harry Truman lost the presidential election. You would have thought the MSM might have learned something from that.
Sad, sad times for our country. The only people voting for Romeny and Gingrich are those who have no clue what's going on.
Wow , you must surely know thousands and thousands of people......
Like 99% of african americans; hispanics; welfare recipients and all the dim-witted college students voted for obozo? Ask those who voted for obozo if they are better off now and ask the college kids that have since graduated that can't find a frickin' job how that "hope and change" thing is working! LMAO
Come on, "obozo" is so purile. (As is "rethuglicans", "repugs", "donkeycrats", etc.) Grow up!
Ummm sliders, maybe you should ask all the 'welfare' recipients mostly living in RED states why these Republican candidates want to cut their social services?
What choice do they have? Real choices weren't included; hell the whole campaign platform has come down to "I'm bad, but he's worse, so vote for me". Whether Romney, Gingritch, or Obama wins, we might be in for a world of hurt. I wouldn't blame anyone, for their votes in this one.... Wake me up in 4 years, hopefully there's a real choice then :o
Oh, and slide6? Really... And I wouldn't want to inquire too much in what lies behind your one liner retorts and what not... I might end up finding out about a Timothy McVeigh type member of the Patriots Network or something. When I was up in Montana I had run into a few who were self admitted members of this. And unlike some of their more level headed compatriots in the area; these 2 were actually trying to convince me that dollar bills had secret tracking devices (this was back in 1993) which could keep tabs on everyone who pays with cash.... It was a very bizzare discussion, from some who sounded like they misplaced their tin foil hats.... Lets try to keep the discussion, somewhat, well rationale and mature, if we can?
Well the great Republican Party just re-electd Obama, I hope you total stupid idiots are proud of yourself. You will not see one bit of difference in Obama than Romney, other than their color. I am a Goldwater, Reagan conservative and I would not vote for Romney if he were the only canidate left on earth. Good Luck to America, because we are going to need it.
Reagan was more left than anyone in the democratic party is now and could never get elected had he been alive today and was eligible to run. Don't fret yet wearnuts, it isn't over yet, there are still 46 states to go before your nominee is chosen.
The reason the republican party is going down the tubes is because of their relentless hate of not only the president but of the majority of the working class. Hatred and overreaching is their downfall. That being said, the dems over reached too and we found out what that did for us in 2010. BTW, where, where is the replace part of repeal and replace of the Affordable Health-care Act? Where are the jobs you all ran on in 2010?
M. LaHatte..you do not impress me with your cluelessness as to what is going on. Did you have a big bowl of stupid for breakfast?
Apparently even those right wing militias wouldn't go along with McVeigh. He was too far out even for them. That's why he didn't act as part of a group.
Rednawt - I guess you missed the fact that the unemployment rate that was stuck above 9% has finally come down since the 2010 elections. If the Democrats would work with the House, perhaps it would be even better.....
There has got to be a better way - Equal Opportunity and Elimination of Waste From National Selection/Election Procedure (A Simultaneous All States State Electoral College Selection Conventions to select the best from each State to a National Selection Convention to select the best three of the best from all the States to contend in the National Primary, and the best of the best of the best to contend in the National Election. This procedure to begin no sooner than January 1st of a National Election year.) Go to> htt//www.manifestry.info > Convention
I researched the approximate represented American population percentage of New Hampshire (0.44%), Iowa (1.03%) and South Carolina (1.43%). It appears that three small states with 2.9% of the US population are the first states determining who drops out or runs. While three other states have nine times the people with over 26% of the US population and have not voted, and Florida is not one of those three. It is fourth in size (5.8%). Nevada 0.74%, Colorado 1.55. Just an observation.
no matter who wins- I am sure Obama will win in Nov. (this 2 Newt & Romney are not worthy of hand shake) you people will have to replace some members of congress and petition them so they will work to change corupted law passed and sign by privies congress and privies presidents in favor of wall street, Fannie & Fredie - by the way - did you read on google new article how Fannie & Fredie manipulate mortgage, more default - more money they make - they are there to make a profit, you lost your house - who cares
democrats barney frank and dodd are responsible for the fannie and freddie mess
I am truely worried about our Country. I feel that if Obama is elected again, our country will divide even more than it is now. I just hope people are smart enough to see what's up his sleeve for the next 4 years.
I'm not sure what's up his sleeve, but we all know he's got nothing between his ears!!
I worry about people like you.
Oh no! Our country will divide so much that the supreme court and hanging chads will elect our leader.
And voting for Obama is like asking for the Costa Concordia captain to take over the helm for another four years!
Educate yourself people!
Mitt's family history:
Romney is just another Obama:
I can't believe that folks can't see the writing on the wall. It's Romney ...period! And with all the craziness going on with the GOP, the Vegas odds are very close between Obama/Romney in 2012. Normally, at this pont, the incumbent is up by at least 20 points. But, since it's close even before the Repubs declare a winner .... it shows you what a lousy Pres people think Obama has been. If the experts are right and the economy and employment take a dive ..... Obama will be an analyst for the basketball games on ESPN!!
He would do a GREAT job with that. He could get a recording contract, too, if there were really still such a thing.
You're eating all those wild mushrooms again... get real.
Come November, President Obama will stuff this romney turkey with his size 17 shoe.
I can't believe all you democrats are so willing to give up all your freedoms to this Chicago mafia dupe and his handlers.
I can't believe your such a moron.
Educate yourself people!:
Mitt's family history:
Romney is just another Obama:
His father was a Kenyan and his stepfather was an Indonesian and both were Moslems? Somehow, I doubt that.
And Willard's Grandfather was a Polygamist, who ran to Mexico to keep his 'status,' breaking away from the Mormon Church's ruling to stop Polygamy. Your moot point being?
Yay for diversity. Down with stupid racists and religious bigots!! I am so glad a Mormon will face president Obama. Too bad you billybobs and knuckledraggers!! Another win for civilization!!!!
Good Shot!!! I like the way you think. I was think 1/2-1/2.