Brewer had to raise taxes to balance the budget. She signed a one cent per dollar sales tax. So in raising taxes she's actually employed something that Obama has been trying to do at the federal level.

http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/Arizona_state_budget

Arizona took $648,929,995 in stimulus funds. It's nice to know that the stimulus funds worked in Arizona also.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-4806682-503544.html

Obamy showed just how immature he is. He is so thin skinned that when anyone talks about his failures, and that is most of his decisions, he pouts and cries like a four year old.

Ummm look at the picture again. Obama is smiling and calm, its Brewer with her finger in his face. Obama's not pouting about this.

@pat - nice try buddy - you lose with that stupid statement - go back to your cement pond and have a nice swim

People see what they want to see. You can't argue with stupid.

SPJ: HNICis not appropriate in any situation. And for all of you ass hats that are going bitch about people being PC. I make no apologies, but the N word should not be used by anyone. I do not care if they are black, white or other. It's demeaning and has no place in a modern society. Yes, that's goes for W word too. It's just as rude. If you want to foster a decent conversation do not use buzz words or words that will bring out the worst in people. I am sure there are plenty on the vine that will do their worst without being prodded by words they like to harp on.

Leave the racism at home please!

I think the real issue is her behavior. It is unbecoming of anyone who has reached the office of Governor. It's way up there on lack of decorum, right up with "YOU LIE!!!"

Apology for her condescending finger is necessary.

I know. It'll never come. She's already advertised herself as a victim, rather than an antagonizer.

Ummm, Eric, looks more like he is being his condescending self again in that picture.

Brewer to Obama: I'll get you and your little dog too my pretty!

Obama: Keep wagging that finger in my face and I'll pour a bucket of water over you.

Apologies to Frank Baum

Brewer is commonly referred to as "Otis" in the state capitol, a not so subtle reference to the town drunk in Mayberry ..............go figure

Funny ... is saw him walk away and not escalate an already tense situation....it takes a greater amount of self control and discipline to walk away from a confrontation than it does to give in to anger. President Obama may have made a comment about her book and her portrayal of their meeting that she did not like ...but..... as president of the united states talking to a governor of a "state" her response should have been "YES SIR" and thats all

It never seems to stop. The Republicans have to lie about a situation to gain something? I guess she forgot about the Federal stimulis money and other assistance from the Federal Government concerning her ( States) gain in unemployment. I am sure the Federal Government had no input to solving the problem. All the other states have seen decreased unemployment so I guess she should be given credit for that also.

She seems to get mad about the wrong things. Maybe it is a character trait?

If I had a Woman waving her finger in my face telling me that I was condesending I might walk away also. Get real.

Class and tact? Laugh. Obalmer is a thin skinned wet noodle affirmative action know nothing. Read about his tenure at University of Chicago and what his peers thought of him. It PROVES Jan Brewer correct in her assessment.

This dudes so gone come November it's not even funny.

"I know. It'll never come. She's already advertised herself as a victim, rather than an antagonizer."

Her photo op hardly showed a victim. But all of these GOP women seem to use this victimhood device. Truly pathetic.

What's really crazy is she said she felt a little threatened as if Obama was going to beat her to the ground? Clearly the president was the one who kept his cool. He understands the power of his office and the dignity it requires. He really should have put her across his knee and spanked her like a spoiled child right there on the tarmac. Now that would have been worth the consequences!

Thin skinned? Considering what this President has had to put up with in the way of criticism his demeanor has been nothing short of remarkable.

Fedup.....Actually her response should have been "yes sir" and wait until the next book comes out

OK I have no idea what HNIC means. From others I think it is a racist taunt.

Pathetic if it is

As for Brewer, you don't wag your finger in someones face, then pretend they were the one being condescending.

But for her, she sees it as a win, (She stood up to Obama!) and so will many of her party members--they will love her for it. The rest of us see it or what it was...tacky.

Govenor Jan Brewer IMHO is a sad testament to the voters in Arizona, who are the bigger idiots for allowing themselves to stoop so low and elect this person to office. I took this a step further and contacted the govenor's office to let her know, you're not just insulting Barack Obama but you are insulting the People of this great nation.

OBAMA IN 2012

@ S.UlmerWhen did he state these accussations you are making S. Ulmer. Sounds like a racist plot to me. The half black president hates his white mother. You need to talk facts and not propoganda

@Eric-913730

Brewer had to raise taxes to balance the budget. She signed a one cent per dollar sales tax. So in raising taxes she's actually employed something that Obama has been trying to do at the federal level.

Really? Since when does a sales tax only impact rich people? Brewer raised taxes on EVERYONE, something Obama claims he won't do and something every liberal screams bloody murder about whenever it dare be suggested. Your attempt at spin here was an epic fail.

@Fedupwithracists

Funny ... is saw him walk away and not escalate an already tense situation....it takes a greater amount of self control and discipline to walk away from a confrontation than it does to give in to anger

Ummm, unless of course you STARTED the confrontation. Brewer has released the letter backing up her claim that she was not there to pick a fight. She came out to greet the President just like any Governor would do when the POTUS makes an official visit to their state. He was PO'd about her book, told her so and then turned his back on her. Where I'm from being a d-bag doesn't equate to "self-control and discipline" but clearly some people only see whatever it is they want to see.

@CDM, ummm.....its her finger in Obama's face. I'd say she's the one that is condescending.

@Backcountry, in other words Brewer hurt the poor and middle class with her taxation of everyone. Probably won't win her votes.

No matter what I think of the President, calling him racist names is absolutely despicable.

Yes backcountry, you certainly seem to be one of those people you describe, only seeing what you want to see.

getatme,

it's in his book(s), but stay ignorant, don't read them.

@michigan voter-546572

Yes backcountry, you certainly seem to be one of those people you describe, only seeing what you want to see.

So are you claiming she started the confrontation? Please do explain your logic behind that assumption? Or are you only a parrot who can't actually form thoughts on your own?

@Eric-913730

@Backcountry, in other words Brewer hurt the poor and middle class with her taxation of everyone. Probably won't win her votes.

Ok, so first it was a good thing but now it's a bad thing, gottcha. What I'd like to know is how on Earth you manage to ever stand up. You spin so hard you must be perpetually dizzy.

@Backcountry, perhaps. However, I'm not as good at spinning as Mitt and Gingrich are.

Obalmer is a thin skinned wet noodle affirmative action know nothing. Read about his tenure at University of Chicago and what his peers thought of him.

@MR:

Obama was elected President of the United States by affirmative action? How does THAT work? Do we double the number of electoral votes given to minority candidates? Is that in the Constitution?

As to your bogus implications about the University of Chicago, as a professor Obama was highly respected by his colleagues and students alike. (The precise title for non-tenured full professors at UChicago Law School is either "Lecturer" or "Senior Lecturer". Obama was a Senior Lecturer, having been offered, but always declining, tenure track on several occasions.)

He was RECRUITED by the University of Chicago Law School by conservative professors who were impressed by Mr. Obama's reasonableness, his willingness to listen carefully to anyone with a different opinion, and his excellent analytical skills. According to his students, he always insisted that different viewpoints be raised, to the extent that if no one else raised them, he would (regardless of which side af the equation the point of view fell on). THAT is what UChicago law students and law professors have to say.

This from Wikipedia:

"Chicago ranks second on the "Top 15 Schools From Which the Most 'Prestigious' Law Firms Hire New Lawyers"; second for "Faculty quality based on American Academy of Arts and Sciences Membership"; third for "Supreme Court Clerkship Placement"; and fifth for "Student Quality". The Law School is also notable for having the third highest gross and third highest per capita placement of alumni as U.S. Supreme Court clerkships (16% for the years 2000-2008), with approximately 15-25% of each graduating class going on to a state or federal clerkship. Private career prospects are equally bright for graduates as they routinely place into elite firms.^"

He got his law degree at Harvard, also no slouch when it comes to ranking top quality law schools, and was the first black Editor of the highly-respected Harvard Law Review. To even be considered for the Harvard Law Review, you have to be in the top 10% of your class. That's not affirmative action, that's MERIT.

Wow, if the teapub shills on this seed are any indication, the right is in full on panic mode, trying to sway the momentum back their way. The only people it will work on are the rwnj's that already hate Obama. The independents and middle will never go that bat@!$%# crazy.

@Eric-913730

@Backcountry, perhaps. However, I'm not as good at spinning as Mitt and Gingrich are.

Yes well, being the lesser of two, or in this case three, evils still makes you evil, know what I mean? You bash them both while admitting you do the same thing, I believe that makes you a hypocrite. But I will give you credit for admitting that you're full of shti. Something the other two will never do.

Foolishness, There are 3 sides to every story.

Governor Finger tells her President that the envelope is an invite to see the border with her. He says sure, but our last meeting was misrepresented in your book.

Pat G-3324946

Obamy showed just how immature he is. He is so thin skinned that when anyone talks about his failures, and that is most of his decisions, he pouts and cries like a four year old.

And you just showed the world your immaturity with the silly name calling. Why you people think such disrespect is cute is beyond me. It proves you don't have what it takes to help make serious decisions about our country.

obama admitted it was AA that got him the editor job.

I think you're lying.

Otherwise, back it up with an actual documentable citation (i.e., a direct quote from the President)?

Maybe you're just confused because Pat Buchanan said Obama was "probably" admitted to Harvard Law School because of affirmative action? (Notice that by using the word "probably" Buchanan admitted to complete ignorance as to whether the statement was true or not.)

Then again, he DID graduate from Columbia. Do you have a degree from a nationally ranked and internationally respected university? No? Is that because you're not 'black'?

Here's what was said about Obama's election at the time:

Mr. Obama succeeds Peter Yu, a first-generation Chinese-American, as president of The Law Review. After graduation, Mr. Yu plans to serve as a clerk for Chief Judge Patricia Wald on the of the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit.

Mr. Yu said Mr. Obama's election ''was a choice on the merits...."

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html?pagewanted=2&src=pm

As for the rest:

If you read what his collegues had to say, instead of spouting off drivel from the whitehouse (sic) website, you'd get it.

I HAVE read what his colleagues and former students have to say, and my source is not the White House website. It's the University of Chicago. And the professors and students themselves.

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media

Obama had been courted by the university even before his law degree was in hand. Michael McConnell, a noted conservative law professor then at the U. of C., submitted an article to the Harvard Law Review while Obama was its president. He did such a fine job of editing that McConnell wanted to bring him to the university, says Geoffrey Stone, who was dean of the law school at the time. "We would make him a law and government fellow, he could work on his book [published in 1995 as Dreams from My Father], anything else he wanted to do," Stone says. "I met him here in my office; he was extremely impressive." Stone adds wryly, "My secretary and I agreed that one of these days he would be governor of Illinois."

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/June-2008/Obamas-Chicago-Posse/The-Friends-of-O/index.php?cp=2&si=1

the number of Chicago professors who have given the campaign money, support, or expertise is legion.

Law School faculty members, meanwhile, do see certain Chicago values reflected in their former colleague—rigor, pragmatism, respect for competing ideas. They describe a gifted teacher whose habits of mind fit the Law School well. Much has been made of the conservative faculty’s fondness for Obama: Michael McConnell, JD’79, whose paper Obama edited at the Harvard Law Review; Douglas Baird, who recruited him to Chicago; Daniel Fischel, JD’77, who sought to boost his academic career. Obama’s legal arguments were empirically, not ideologically, grounded, they say, and he listened well to opponents. His disagreements weren’t vehement. Geoffrey Stone recalls his “intellectual empathy.” Adam Bonin, JD’97, a former student, says Obama made sure every point of view got aired in class. “If he wasn’t hearing it from a student, he’d make the argument himself,” Bonin says. Baird explains his ability to see complexities. “At the Law School, you don’t expect to get up and say something like, ‘Affirmative action is an obvious good,’ and get no argument. Constitutional law, voting rights, affirmative action—these are complicated topics, and he was good at thinking about them in a complex way, at hearing different points of view and defending his opinion.”

http://magazine.uchicago.edu/0810/features/obama.shtml

and Harvard Law School

http://www.law.harvard.edu/news/obama-at-hls.html

The paragraphs starting with the words

Obama had been courted...

the number of Chicago professors...

Law School faculty members...

should all be in block quotes (my comment #1.41). The sources can be found in the links immediately following the quotes.

Lots of right wing diatribe and the infamous prison lobby are on this blog today. Your "drunk" governor in the great state of Arizona is selling you out by putting you in prison at every opportunity so her cabinet officials make more money from the prison lobby. "Welcome to Arizona, a incarceration based economy. All the jobs we've created are locking up our citizens. Wouldn't you just love to come visit us?"

@South Philly Jimmy:

What's up, bigot?

If you read what his collegues had to say

Michael McConnell, Geoffrey Stone, Douglas Baird, Daniel Fischel, Cass Sundstein, and a host of others all agree that Barack Obama has a fine legal mind, grasps complexities, accepts the views of others, and works hard to build consensus. Those ARE the words of his colleagues.

He is the poster child for affirmative action -- as is her "blackness" herself.

You should be ashamed to write such drivel. It isn't true, and the only reasons you claim otherwise are because 1) you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about, and 2) you obviously have a problem with "blackness", as you call it.

Same goes for Jan Brewer. She has no idea what she's talking about most of the time, and she has an obvious problem with "blackness" (as well as 'brownness' and truthfulness).

So proud of Gov. Brewer for speaking truth to power. You go girl!!!!

1. It's no use arguing with the BillyBobs and knuckledraggers here - they're just like that Brewer biatch
2. Best policy is to ignore them
3. Just like Obama smartly did to Brewer
4. Don't suffer fools like these if you can avoid it
5. Well done again Mr. President
6. We will be glad to have you another 4 years (too bad not more!)

I have a friend who used to live in South Philly - he couldn't get away quick enough. Said the whole place was full of crack addicts, whores, and petty criminals.

What a weak article ! Perhaps, MSNBC could actually TELL US what the letter said ? Would reality be better than an article about speculation ??

old man blind eyes:

Your comment at #1.50 is just one baldfaced lie after another.

HAVE YOU NO SHAME?

And by the way, there is no such school as "Chicago University". If you are going to lie through your teeth, at least do it well.

Wow..... This is a KKK rally or what?

he (President Obama) has stated that he HATES the woman that gave birth to him. He wrote this very clearly in his book, in fact he wrote how he hates white people.

Wow. This is what happens when your 'education' consists of listening to college dropouts with substance abuse problems like Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck.

How would you know what Obama wrote? It's pretty obvious you have never read anything he's ever written.

The guy you're thinking of is Lord Voldemort; and it's his father and all muggles that he hates, not his mother.

Wow Gov.Brewer has really turned the economy around in her state! Maybe Obama needs some lecturing from her?

Brewer needs treatment for Alzheimer's and confinement to bed where she can do no more harm...

Sally,

Now if you could just figure out a way to make #1 clear we would all benefit. Instead you just gave voice to.... oh wait I might get suspended for telling the truth.

Eric There is a difference! Obama wants to raise taxes only on the top 2%. The sales tax increase is appropriate because everyone contributes!!! You are all for shared sacrifice as long as someone else is doing the sacrificing!!!!

TES, yeah, make the poor and destitute pay the same percentage as the rich and powerful. The poor skip meals to pay the tax. The rich have steak and shrimp instead of caviar. That's fair.

Republicans have no honor. None.

I better go back and read that Brewer book again I didn't see anything about the jobs created or the budget balanced on the back of a TAX INCREASE or STIMULUS MONEY, I thought it was just Brewer Magic....funny that?

There are 9 States including Arizona that are working on eligibility suits similar to the one in court today in Georgia. Obama thumbed his nose at a court order to appear in Georgia and a warrant for his arrest may very well follow. He can avoid his arrest by never going to Georgia again.

The 10 States including Georgia are States the President would likely be defeated in anyway in 2012, so he will likely thumb his nose at all and never go to any of the 10 States again should contempt warrants be created in these States.

His name may be precluded from being on the ballots of these States by default judgement. Judgements against almost always happen to no-shows.

Perhaps the President can pardon himself as a last act just before he leaves office.

Scott#####, now you don't really believe that do you.....surely you know that the President of the United States can not be compelled to answer a subpoena or court order issued by a court lower than the Supreme Court or Congress.....oh you Tea Partiers and Birthers would just have a field day if you could just find a dim wit Judge to issue and order for the Pres to appear for this or for that you could really bring the country to a standstill.

and why would anyone want to go to Georgia anyway????????

Old Man Young Eyes....it ain't your eyes that are the worry it's your brain or what little is left of it.

it is not that she spoke ill of Obama it is that she used her book to attack the office of the president of the united states of america. personally I find that crass and unamerican and who aside from Me thinks she looks like a wicked witch in that photo

@JRMJR2

it is not that she spoke ill of Obama it is that she used her book to attack the office of the president of the united states of america. personally I find that crass and unamerican and who aside from Me thinks she looks like a wicked witch in that photo

So let me get this straight, you believe the chief executive of the United States deserves respect but not the chief executive of a state. Do you also chastise those in your own party who still constantly bash Bush right and left? Because the respect you speak of extends to ALL Presidents not just the one currently in office. Somehow I doubt it, you've already proven you're a hypocrite after all.

funny I do not recall say if I was repub or demo and it is one thing too disrespect the president and another to disrespect the office of the president get some glasses ya moron and she does look like the wicked witch regardless of her office so get stuffed

@JRMJR2

funny I do not recall say if I was repub or demo...

I went and looked at your other posts. You're either a dem or an independent in denial. It's your use of the term "teabagger" that gives you away. Only dems work themselves into such a tizzy over the tea party that they revert to 4 year olds and start the name calling. waaaaaa.

it is one thing too disrespect the president and another to disrespect the office of the president get some glasses ya moron

And you're calling me a moron ROTFLMAO!! The respect due the office is transferred to whomever holds or has held the office. I dislike Obama intensly and have a similar feeling for Bush but would never stoop to your level and call either of them, or any Governor,or any other of our elected politicians, a childish name.

Now why don't you run home to mommy, little boy.

BackCountry....just so you know many conservatives and conservative leaning independents like myself refer to those who claim membership in the Tea Party as "teabaggers" and the reason is we do not agree with their stated positions or devotions. I hate the fact that they have taken an important event in our history and bastardize it as if they deserve that label to reflect their self-centered views. It is very easy to claim ownership of generalizations like "cut government spending" "no taxation" and "close the borders" without providing any specifics as to how any of that can be achieved.

From my listening to them and their so called leaders what it seems they want is reduce or cut government benefits to everyone but themselves, raise taxes on everyone else but lower theirs, and we don't want them wetbacks around here but it's OK for them to come here and do jobs that we won't as long as they go back when they are finished. Yes that would be very nice as long as it only applies to me and not the rest of you....so I will continue to refer to them as either teabaggers or ratbaggers depending on my mood, as far as I know none of them are President.

You or anyone can call the Pres or a Gov or any elected official anything you want here no problem its a free country....however in politics, government and business we have a little thing called decorum, go look it up then send it on to Ms Brewer, what she was doing was grandstanding.

Yeah, that Brewer can whine like no other. Funny it was her pointing her fingers in Obama's face while he was calm and collected.

Clearly its Brewer blowing this out of proportion. I guess she wants a speakers spot in the Republican convention.

and Arizona's whining gov they didn't want. oh well, she'd selling a lot more books now and making more money for herself. Keep whining and making that almighty dollar gov!

Sounds to me like the Arizona Governor was the one whining here. The President said it was no big deal, but the gov starts releasing letters and giving interviews. She's just looking for attention and you know the repubs are in a sad state of affairs when THIS is their big newsworthy "positive" story in the middle of a primary.

Well now THERE's a constructive remark! Pardon my sarcasm, but not only is your "recommendation" old and hackneyed, but simplistic and devoid of any practical value.

very intelligent comment...well thought out. I should have thought of calling the President a crybaby... of course I am 12+ years of age so I guess it wouldn't be my first thought. i will let myself off the hook this time.

Eric - it is the media and the rabidly political that are blowing this out of proportion. She was giving him a thoughtul letter, and before he read the letter, he gave her a self-centered, self promoting comment on her observation of her last meeting with him.

Brewer is suffering from Palin Syndrome. Its primary symptom is causing people to think there has to be some big money in this low-brow act somewhere sometime.

314159...I'm so very proud of President Obama. The "we's" who call him childisn names are jealous. They can't measure up to his accomplishments because they are mostly too stupid or too lazy. You don't get much education in DogPatch unless, booze, broads and bars are the education Lil Abners and Daisy Maes consider schooling.

What's with the goth 40 and 50-somethings with the attitudes from hell? Too much daycare in their veins? Get a clue. Spewing your accountability for the idiot you elected for 8 years on others doesn't work. So keep trying to blame it all on this president. It only furthers the point of guilt by association with the GOP jerks who made all the greedheaded decisions for 8 years.

Of course obama would say 'It's no big deal', he got his but whipped verbally, plus a photo op he didn't want. It was a big deal and there's many other Governors AND Citizens that would like the chance to do the same!

@DBAkron, it couldn't be the case that she was just wanting publicity for her book could it?

It seems to me that its Brewer that's self centered, and not Obama.

"We are all so very proud of America's first 'whiner in chief'..", Would that be Brewer or BoneHead you're referring to (the two biggest 'whiners' in these parts)? I mean if you can't get anything else right you might as well screw up their job functions (I'm sure both think of themselves as 'Chief' but that should be followed with 'cook and bottle washer' (if either could handle that)...

1. The disrespectful billbobs here belong under a rock in the AZ desert along with Jan "BIATCH" Brewer where slimey miscreants like them thrive...
2. You stupid Obama haters make me sick
3. OBAMA is going to be the top man for another 4 years - GET USED TO IT LOSERS!!!!!

I'm glad Gov. Brewer took the opportunity to speak truth to power.

She's got moxie.

You think wagging the finger in the face of the POTUS, is speaking truth to power? You and your ilk, are pathetic!

Aunti, what did she say were you there (not what she or the media said she said).....so how do you know it was the truth??????? Just wondering.

I think everyone putting in commentary here should go to the Funk and Wagnells and look up three words and remember those definitions TRUTH, FACT, OPINION....there seems to be a bit of confusion sometimes.

Really, and what have you done for your country today...other than calling the President and members of Congress names.

She needs to be taught some respect. Put her over someones knee and wail on her.

What a right wing piece of trash the pumped up little trollop is.

Nothing rallies the base liking seeing a white women castigate a black man.

She deserves just as much respect as this failure of a president. But, you respect the office and not necessarily the person so what has idiot obama done to earn respect besides fail?

Gee, I don't know, kept the country from a depression. Helping the economy to grow each and every quarter he's been elected. Created about 3 million jobs.

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdp_glance.htm

If you are working, it's a Recession. If you are out of work it's a Depression.

PatG, fail? That, of course, is typically partisan Republican cant. From the day he was elected, you Republican'ts have been very vocal about your desire to see President Obama fail, even at the expense of the nation's welfare. And, despite the facts that he has succeeded in many important ways, some of which Eric has pointed out (and there are plenty more successes he's had), you Republithugs simply refuse to acknowledge them. However, in the real world, you cannot just wish things away.

Of course obama would say 'It's no big deal', he got his but whipped verbally by Brewer, plus a photo op he didn't want. It was a big deal and there's many other Governors AND Citizens that would also like the opportunity to criticize the president's perfomance!

AZKid...Your state has plenty of Yuppies who can pitch in and contribute. They won't. Most are selfish 40 and 50 somethings who are "Mememememes". What exactly did you think McCain would contribute had he won? Or for that matter, Back Seat Becky Palin?

Why is it AZ has the same situation with illegals that a lot of states have but only the Yuppie Whiners in AZ are doing all the complaining and all the hiring of illegals? AZ Yuppies shy away from breaking a sweat at any chance they get.

My state has over 11,000 illegals. We don't go begging the federal government for help. Only states like TX and AZ do all the complaining and the real joke is they are the ones at fault. So why do my federal taxes have to help your state? Get over that illegals issue or crack down on those who hire. No work? No illegals. Get a clue.

Another tempest in a teapot created by a ratings hungry media.

So liberals are sexist as well as racist. Careful, you may get a rude visit by NOW.

Respect isn't commanded, it is earned. Obama has not earned it.

@Eric-913730

Gee, I don't know, kept the country from a depression. Helping the economy to grow each and every quarter he's been elected. Created about 3 million jobs.

Your first point is 100% speculation. Those who say he made things worse have just as much to back up their position as you do, which is nothing.

Your second point is an utter joke, I'm literlly laughing out loud.

"In 1947, the federal government began tracking quarterly gross domestic product (GDP), the broadest measure of overall economic vitality. Since that date, not one President has failed to enjoy a quarter of at least 4% GDP growth. It now appears that Obama may be the first."- http://www.cfif.org/v/index.php/commentary/43/1133-obama-now-on-course-to-preside-over-the-worst-economic-growth-since-recordkeeping-began

And you're trying to spin this as a positive? Really?

As for your third point about creating 3 million jobs, first that would be the high estimate according to the BLS, the low estimate is closer to 1.1 million jobs. Even if you use the high estimate it still would not cover the number of jobs lost. Obama is the first President since Herbert Hoover to have a net loss when it comes to jobs.

Eric your posts are always crammed full of spin. I can't help but wonder if you think we're all idiots or if you actually believe the drivel you parrot.

@Backcountry, If you looked at the graph you can see a vast improvement from Bush.

Here is a link about what things would have been like without the stimulus.

In short, "Economists Mark Zandi and Alan Blinder said the stimulus of nearly $800 billion, plus the Wall Street bailout, known as TARP, and other measures, likely warded off an outright depression.

The study found that, without those programs, the gross domestic product would be 6.5 percent lower, eight million more people would be unemployed, and prices would be falling as deflation set in."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec10/economy_07-29.html

Republicans are determined to grind the economy to a halt via their policies of "trickle down" economics and "starving the beast" philosophies.

@Eric-913730

@Backcountry, If you looked at the graph you can see a vast improvement from Bush.

As I said, pure speculation, you can't prove what might have happened. For every chart showing what you WANT to believe the other side has a chart showing what they WANT to believe. If you choose to believe the BS that's on you. I'm going to stick with facts and observations. The country has gone as far down the toilet in Obama's 3 years as it did in Bush's 8. Even the "he's still better than Bush" defense is starting to give way. Soon the utter BS you posted above will be the only thing you guys have left. Good luck trying to con half the nation into believing that nonsense.

In short, "Economists Mark Zandi and Alan Blinder said the stimulus of nearly $800 billion,

ROTFLMAO! Zandi and Binder don't represent the majority of economists. If Newt or Mitt cherry picked a couple of economists to prove their point would you believe it? Of course not, you only believe the things you want to believe. For example here's what John Taylor, senior fellow, Hoover Institution, had to say about it-

"You look at the totality, which -- which I have been doing for several years now, looking at each program and then adding them up, and I find a very small effect. In fact, to some extent, some of the early actions, I think, were damaging. Some of the -- some of the actions taken, actually, I think, led to some of the panics that we saw.

So, no, I just don't think there's any evidence. When you look at the numbers, when you see what happened, when people reacted to the stimulus, it did very little good."

I'd post a link but you already did, the quote comes from the very article you quoted from supporting your claim. Proof beyond doubt that you can only see the things you want to see.

1. Brewer is a disgrace and a traitor! (and an ugly witch of the west biatch!)
2. Time for a RECALL perhaps???
3. Arizonians who support her are TRAITORS as well!!
4. We who support the FEDERAL gov will crush you just as we did in the last Civil War
5. What a bunch of Tea pArtying LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ewent: so Texas is at fault for illegal immigration? What would you have Texas do? Shoot them? Then, are you aware of how much illegal immigration costs states like AZ and TX? Social services are stretched to the limits schooling children of illegals and that's just one arena. If your state has a grand total of 11,000 illegal immigrants you either live in a very small state, or the numbers are severly underreported. As to employers hiring illegals, yup. Then again, how would you feel if those jobless illegals were taking in all the money they could from social services....oh, wait...

Newt: Take a deep breath. Then, ask yourself if you who support the Federal Government will be willing to pay for everything that the states are now paying for. No? But, golly, where does the federal government come from? You are aware that the name United States of America presupposes more than the federal government?

@NewtISaPIG

Even the people on your side of the fence want you to shut up even if they won't come out and say it

@NewtISaPIG

Backcountry, you and me both! Seriously, if you don't have anything to post other than your usual, vitriolic garbage, do us all a favor and please stop posting. Contrary to what the bucking trend around here might tell you, this is a forum for civil, insightful debate, not some insipid flame wars.

At the very least, as much as I can't stand her myself, please...PLEASE quit referring to Julie Brewer as a "BIATCH".

BackCountry is FACTUAL on his point regarding @NewtISaPIG, however he is allowed his OPINIONS, he is easy to dismiss, I do.

Respect is not a given for anyone. You have to earn it and Mr. Obama is far from some one that deserves it.

Yes Adam, more entitlements from stealing OPM.

JOBSR: BS. You have respect for people period. If you do not like how he has governing then deal with his policies. The fostering of rudeness in our society has gotten out of control. If my child treated anyone like that I would smack the crap out of him. Being rude is not cool. You can be disagreeable with out being an as$.

It is not only the office of the president that deserves respect. A the office of a governor also has that expectation. If Obama can't give it then he has no right to expect it. He is the greatest single cause of any disprespect for that office.

And where was all this concern about respect fo the office wbetween the years of 2000 ans 2008?

UHHH ....yeah JOBSR ....i guess being the (rightfully and legally) elected the leader of the free world doesnt warrant respect . (slappin my forehead)....i need to stay out the comments section ....you people are insane!

Obama merely stated that he didn't like what she had written, that is a far cry from disrespect.

However, pointing your finger in the President's face is rude by all accounts.

If he has to earn respect for accomplishments, only Nikita Krushev would respect Obama for doing that. He is helping Nikita fulfill his desire to destroy the US by putting people in the highest political office.

JOBSR: You are absolutely right, respect has to be earned and even the President needs to be reminded from time to time. Far to much presige is given to the OTPUS without results. We now have debt that our great grand children can not pay, higher unemployment than any other time, higher homelessness and foreclosures and more unfullfilled empty promises from the OTPUS than any other President. If he wants respect he should start soon.

some people don't know what respect is. Obama has never disrespected anyone. Even when he was being called a terrorist, one classy President, which we have never had.

Eric

To be the leader of all, he should have refrained with comment. What she wrote about her previous meeting with him, was her observation and different from a number of others who have thought and said the same things.

Instead of graciously accepting the criticism, he struck back.

His comment should have more like been "I'm sorry you felt that I was unreasonable, I certainly didn't intend to be that way."

ghetto you say, there is nothing ghetto about The President, but one thing I can say is that from the way you speak maybe you're projecting.

Of course obama would say It's no big deal, he got his buttwhipped verbally by Brewer, plus a photo op he didn't want. It was a big deal and there's many other Governors AND Citizens that would also like the opportunity to criticize the president's performance!

DB,

And just how did he "strike back"? Amazing how we can spin things around.

Jan Brewer will go down in history for her six attempts to repeal the MLK state holiday and two attempts to repeal the stat'e participation in that dastardly communiust socialist eastern liberal plot of Daylight Savings Time, which takes Arizona's precious daylight and gives it to states like Washington which have very little.

Obamer is just making a BIG Deal out of this, to get the Hispanic Vote..nothingless, he's another Crafty Politician that SNAKES his Way for glory.. Daniel our brother, WE Miss U Soooo much !!!....

Amusing how when Obama is in office, the office of president demands respect. When Bush was in office, how much respect for the office was shown by the current crop of Obama supporters? Little hypocritical to demand said respect when the office holder is someone you support and no respect is shown when the office holder is someone you don't support....

She looks just like what she is "the wicked witch from the West. How in the hell did that old, ugly woman get elected to anything other than dog catcher.

lu- Are you saying it isn't disrespectful to say people are holding you hostage? President Obama has been disrespectful from the beginning with his beer garden chat. Recently he talked about defending and respecting the people who put their life on the line protecting our citizens, but coming out against that police officer was the epitomy of disrespect and hypocrasy.

You have respect for people period.

Respect is earned. One can have respect for a group of people for a number of reasons just as one have have a lack of respect for a number of reasons. But to assert that you have to respect people is ludicrous. People can also "earn" a lack of respect. Maybe that is the reason so many people are opposing The Bummer - he never earned the respect in the first place or he "earned" the disrespect.

To people outrightly criticizing someone is the same as throwing a punch.

@DB, yeah, heaven forbid that Obama fight back against a lie. We all know that Republicans hate it when the Democrats fight back.

Good for Obama, don't let people continue to tell lies.

I think its funny how Republicans claim government isn't able to add jobs and its the private sector that does all the work. Then the Republican Governor touts her tremendous work adding jobs.

"Thinker"... Thank You for verbalizing what a lot of us right-handers could not do so eloquently. The President has surrounded himself with like-thinking staffers, and probably bribed media voices who perpetuate his conflicting arguments and stance on border security. There are federal laws in-place which could resolve the issues AZ has with a tight budget because of the expanding illegal population requirements for medical and education services, not to mention the increase in law enforcement staffing to combat the concurrent increase in crime. Eric Holder should live on the border for a year.

downwith bolshevic .. I have seen a lot of outright lies and out of context stuff posted on this vine .. yours is about as uninformed as a post can get .. learn how to read something other than far right wacko misinformation .. the dumbing down of America is alive and well in your post

@MasterChief: This is like a teenager disrespecting an elder by addressing him with his first name without permission, then going back to her friends bragging about it. It's just pathetic, but de rigueur for the current crop of Republican politicians.

The ultra-cons make one pine for the neo-cons.

I don't know why I even come in here. It is like you GOP/TP and Obama haters live in an alternate reality. You keep calling him the worst president ever, the most devisive president ever, socialist, communinist, marxist, terrorist, muslim, illegally elected. And now it is the most disrespectful president ever? There clearly is no hope in an honest discussion in this country. It would be nice if GOP/TP and Obama haters would a)Start refering to President Obama as such and not the numerous sophmoric name calling that is so prevelent and, b)actually start supporting your claims instead of just flinging feces against the wall in hopes that people pick up and repeat your inane rhetoric. I am one of the biggest Bush critics but I still focused on facts regarding his policy and didn't resort to name calling. Is it just a coincidence that we elect the first black president and he is treated worse then ANY president in my lifetime (40+ years)? Welcome to the new way of doing politics I guess. Name calling and revisionist history supercede honest debate and fact. Wonder if I can have myself Cryo-frozen until people are a little more civil? /endrant and let the haters fling away.

@RM205

I think its funny how Republicans claim government isn't able to add jobs and its the private sector that does all the work. Then the Republican Governor touts her tremendous work adding jobs.

Funny? I suppose you'd think so; laughter is a common defense when someone doesn't actually understand something. Government "creates" jobs by getting the hell out of the way. Actual government jobs drain the economy insted of add to it. Politicians will always spin it to sound good for them by making statemnts about how they "created" jobs but that doesn't mean they went out and hired a bunch of people. That's only how the President plans on creating jobs, putting us further into debt in the process.

@down,

I get it --- if you can say the "n" word, just attack everything else. But I would say that when you're the President of the most powerful country it is not easy to be a social climber. In fact, it is a pretty stupid remark.

But there were factual inaccuracies in your claims. (Most people would say lies.)

1) How the President of his family travels is not something within his control. It isn't that Air Force One is his personal taxi, but that he always has to travel in a conveyance that has the appropriate secure communications gear. And it is pretty bulky --- it takes up an entire SUV. So Obama is limited to 4 limos, 1 bus, 2 large and one smaller passenger jets, and 6 USMC helicopters. Upon entering office, Obama cancelled the replacements for the helicopter fleet, upgraded for the large jets and replacement of the smaller jet with one with better range.

2) The trip to NYC was on the small jet. Whatever aircraft the President is on is called Air Force One. The small jet was necessary to accomodate the President and a minimal number of bodyguard.

3) On M. Obama's trip to Spain, the bulk of the trip—the hotel stay and all meals—were paid for by the Obamas and their close friends who joined them. “Any additional footprint,” says a White House aide, “including additional rooms needed for security support, falls under the same rules as have applied to any previous first-family travel: the costs are split appropriately, with private expenses paid for privately; government expenses are paid for by the government.” There were "protocol events" in Spain that the First Lady attended. But you have to remember that she quit a $300k a year job to be an unpaid First Lady. I regret that she does not have your trailer park tastes, but neither do I.

4) Obama's books were NOT ghost written. (And "Profiles In Courage" was not ghost-written either.) All books get an editorial once-over from their publisher, but that is very much after the fact and mostly looking for non-quote grammar and usage errors and typos.

5) Obama's "major" accomplishment was probably to go from being a poor child raised by his white bank-teller grandmother to being a magna cum laude Princeton graduate (a BA in political science with a minor in international relations), and being the first black editor of The Harvard Law Review his first year and president of The Harvard Law Review his second (a first regardless of race). The latter accomplishments meant that virtually every big name law firm in the country offered him an interview. But he refused them all --- and very lucrative starting salaries --- to eventually end up working at minimum wage for a Catholic community improvement effort in Chicago. But often ignored by the Tea-baggers, he was an instructor in Constitutional Law at the lily-white conservative UC Law School for twelve years (1992-2004.) He was the only lecturer in the school's history to be directly offered tenure --- and turned it down --- three times. I would call that impressive.

6) You need to spend a great deal more time with factcheck.org and snopes.com and politifact.com and other fact-checking sites. If you say something untrue about someone, it is a lie. If you heard it from someone else and repeat it, it is still a lie. No matter how often or how loud you yell it, it is still a lie. And even if you believe it with all your heart, it is still a lie. And typically we call people who tell lies "liars."

If you can't respect him for being President, and you can't respect him for simply being a fellow human being, then you need to ask yourself, "What would Jesus do?"

Respect is not a given for anyone. You have to earn it and Mr. Obama is far from some one that deserves it.

How does a child earn respect? Obviously you believe disrespect deserves applause Reasonable thinking human beings rely on reasoning skill. Think before you click post comment.

Trust is earned respect is a given. Principles endure the test of time and place..

If Obama must earn respect and its OK to verbalize him until he does because "all the rest of you" unfairly verbalized GW Bush.....can you please tell me what he, GW, did in his 8 Years to earn any respect?

Katrina, Afghanistan, Iraq, economy, environment any one...... Buller?

4.31 "Trust is earned respect is a given. Principles endure the test of time and place.."

OK, Obama hasn't earned my trust so I refuse to give him my respect. Due to his lack of principles he's failed the test and doesn't deserve any more time. I will vote for anybody but Obama in November. I'm actually starting to miss W.

So MTpolitico....if your options are between either Mitt or Newt or President Obama....you would vote for one of the other two.....because they are proven to be trustworthy?????? I suppose if the defination of trustworthy is that you can be reasonably assured that one will act or react in a consistent fashion, then both Newt and Mitt are pretty trustworthy....you can be absolutely assured that they will act on behalf of the wealthy and powerful "ruling class" and against the best interests of the majority of Americans in a consistent manner.

Yes Yank, I would vote for either Mitt or Newt before I would consider giving a vote of confidence to the current sitting president. I am ideologically opposed to the actions Obama has taken as president as opposed to the words he speaks.

Are either Mitt or Newt ideal candidates? Hell No. Is Obama a good president? Hell no!. I'm not only willing to vote for whomever wins the GOP nomination, I'm absolutely going to hold my nose and vote against Obama because I know that he is wrong for the USA (even if it means voting for Newt).

I know that if re-elected Obama will (not having to worry about re-election) take this country in the direction that he didn't dare openly take it in a first term. He's laid the groundwork.

He's already appointed two rabidly anti-second amendment Supreme Court Justices.

He's already openly shown his contempt for the checks and balances built into the US Constitution.

He's set the stage for gross deficit spending for generations, and boosted the entitlement mentality.

He's divided the citizens of the US even more than they were under Bush, creating an atmosphere with zero willingness to compromise from either party.

Obama has been bad for the country. Period.

I think there is a chance with Romney to heal some of the divide. He did a stellar job when handed the reins of the Olympics when they were suffering a huge deficit and he turned it around successfully. He's been a very successful businessman even if some don't like his methods.

Obama has shown he is incapable of healing the divide. He instead has been a very dividing influence.That alone, is reason enough to not even consider supporting him!

We need a leader that can tend to the Business of America. Not a pandering political hack like Obama. We need to vote out the empty suit. We need to vote against the empty promises, and hire someone that can actually do the job!

OK....don't have time for point by point discussion, we will just have to disagree on much of what you have indicated an "opinion" on. However I will say that Newt is a proven beyond a reasonable doubt cheater of the American People and his constituents .... burn me once your fault - burn me twice my fault, is my position on him.

Romney has been involved in and profiting from crippling American Manufacturing and creating jobs in other countries for many years (let them vote for him) he will continue to act at the behest of the wealthy and the Military Industrial Complex in no matter what position he occupies in the future (and running the Olympics would suit him it is mostly accomplished by graft and corruption). The biggest divide in the US, and Western Democracies in general, is the divide between the haves and the have nots and those who fund them both the middle class.....it is Romney's chosen path to continue widening that gap as much as possible....you can have if him if you want.

In the end as you and I both know, (considering the options) the current President will be re-elected and then we shall see what happens from there .... if he immediately (his first day as per Newt) replaces the Constitution with the Communist Manifesto and sends the Army around to collect our guns (yes I have one too as a hunter), nationalises all private business and opens the borders to mass immigration....then I will have to apologize to you, admit you were right and come back to help fight that revolution....however if not then.........well you might have to grit your teeth go along with the majority.

(and running the Olympics would suit him it is mostly accomplished by graft and corruption).

And the Federal Government isn't? As much as it pains me, we need somebody that knows the game so that they can get things done. We simply can't afford another four years of back peddling. Our political system is broken. Unfortunately we can't just turn it off while we fix it. We're left with the option of working within the system while we initiate changes. Obama has proved he can break things to cause change. Community organizers are taught rules for radicals. In Obamas mind you have to tear it down before you can rebuild it. I prefer to remodel rather than rebuild from scratch. I kind of like our 236 year old home. I don't like Obamas cheap prefab model for a new America. Too much plastic and too little craftsmanship for my taste.

Lyford, who's wagging the finger in whose face?

Even this picture is a media distortion of the facts. When one watches the tape of the event you can see that Obama had his hands on her shoulder while he was berating her just before she did this finger wag thing. Why don't we see a picture of that?

Lyford -Why are you getting your news from these "failed journalists"? From the reading I have done, Obama asked Brewer about the comment in her book where she accused the president of being condescending. This directly contradicts her previous statements after their meeting where she described it as cordial. I know that being dishonest helps sell books to conservatives but it really makes you look foolish.

Only a true idiot would post ignorant comments by seeing one picture. He had his hand on her shoulder while trying to berate Jan. Jan just gave him back more than his childish IQ could handle.

Was that really the proper time for him to confront her? Should she just have stood there and taken it? He was hoping for some brownie point and she took the bait. It surely made a good photo op for him. Her..........not so much.

jesuswillbrb, is that how Obama sold the number of books he sold to liberals. You do a good job of the foolish part all by yourself.

Only a true idiot would post ignorant comments by seeing one picture. He had his hand on her shoulder while trying to berate Jan. Jan just gave him back more than his childish IQ could handle.

OMG...who is the idiot here? You did the exact same thing you accused someone else of doing in the very next sentence. You people backing this lunatic lady are insane. Your hatred for this President is insane and detrimental to our great country.

No, If someone does something negative like that, it is about postitioning yourself as superior to the other person. The priority on meeting anyone should be to start on a postive note, not a negative one. She greeted him and handed him a nice letter, and the first thing on his mind was expressing his displeasure at something she said or wrote.

As jesuswillbrb pointed out...this lady is a proven liar. Compare what she said about the meeting with Obama in her press interview with what she said about it in her book and there's your proof. It's on video and in writing. No need to speculate. She lies to sell her book and you people are dumb enough to buy it.

Most of you people watch way too much Fox tv. Sorry, I can't call it news because it isn't. They outright lie and distort the truth. You'd do well to watch MSNBC. At least they get their facts straight.

There are several acts of condescention on obama's part toward Jan Brewer. His hand on her shoulder was act act of trying to "hold her down" in a subserviant position, his talking to her in a public arena about his dislike of comments made in a book, his turning his back on her when she was still talking to him, etc.

It's great that we had a woman stand up to His Highness and not back away or back down.

Lyford - It's about time that citizens started realizing that the media is treating him with such kid gloves. Notice how most of the video links have been replaced by the stills of her finger "wagging"? The media doesn't want the people to develop their own sense of the meeting without the medias' biased input.

@Lyford,

As far as I can tell from looking at a number of different sources, you are pretty much correct. I would note that the MSNBC story was changed and redacted several times. My guess is that people who overheard the discussion and had related it to reporters wanted out of the middle of it since Brewer seems intent on continuing it.

She had made accusations in her book that Obama "blew her off" when he attended a commnencement speech as ASU. She still contends this. The reports of the day states that Obama arrived late, went straight to the stage, and after making his speech, shook a few hands and left. The Obama folks said that Brewer was concerned with the Trustees and administration of the university (as she should have been) and that Obama never had the opportunity to speak with her and because he was running late he moved quickly on.

Other reports of the time, especially those on Fox, stated that Obama was little miffed because 1) ASU was the only commencement speech he could fit into his schedule that week, and 2) ASU had initially offered an honorary degree (which is very typical --- I couldn't find a case where Bush Jr gave a commencement speech without an accompanying honirary degree) but had withdrawn the offer without giving a reason the day before the speech. So, for that point it is probably true that Brewer tried to gimn up her base by getting ASU to withdraw the honorary degree offer, attempted to play hard to get and make Obama come to her, and failed to take into consideration that a Persident, unlike a Governor, it often hurried along by the Secret Service guys who are trying to stick to s strict schedule so all the law enforcement assets are where they are supposed to be at future stops. The GOP made great hay of it at the time, saying that Obama was the first president to be "refused" an honorary degree by a Tier 2 school.

The meeting in the White House was a great deal different. It was a planned meeting on imigration reform. And, according to others present, Obama did a great deal of lecturing of all concerned. His theme for the meeting was that while his admistration was making huge strides in deportation and getting employers to use eVerify, that it was like trying to roll back the tide without some sort of immigration reform that started with a guest worker program and an increase in the number of immigration court judges. He also pushed his version of the Dream Act which SecDef Gates had been pushing because of the surprisingly high number of illegals in the military. Apparently Brewer was pretty much silent throughout the meeting, then in a face-to-face with the President started to preach the same ole' about lack of border patrol people, lack of deportations, how the Democrats were getting illegals to vote for them. Obama apparently pulled out a briefing book and went over the numbers with her. Apparently this pissed her off and she became "sullen" according to one bystander. But she portrayed it in her book as a meeting that she called, face-to-face with only Obama present in which he admitted to her that he was in it for the illegal immigrant vote and dismissing her as a radical, waving his finger in her face. Others who were there contradicted her version of events to a man.

The publisher sent a galley copy of the book to the White House (as is customary.) The White House press office pointed out that there was a difference between what Brewer said happened and the recollections of staff. No changes were made as a result of the content being challenged.

But at the meeting on the tarmac, there were a number of people standing nearby who overheard the conversation. Apparently Brewer tried to confront the Predisent and hand him an envelope. They described her mood as "huffy" and "angry." But instead of accepting the envelope, he lectured her on her accuracy in her book, saying they she could "do better than that." When she became angry, Obama simply reminded her that Nixon was not the only President who recorded such meetings. (If you remember, that was the day after many hours of JFK's recordings from the Oval Office were published. It was stated by the JFK Library that he did this because a meeting with some high-ranking military officers was completely mis-represented in the press.) After hginting that he had a recording of her WH visit, he turned on his heels and waled away. Apparently Brewer's face became as red as her coat and she yelled, "You come back here!" She had to hand her letter off to an Obama staffer and lost her photo op.

Most media (except Fox/NewsCorp and including Comcast/NBC/MSNBC) have a strict two-independent-source rult. They initially reported details that would have come from people on Obama's staff, but then dropped the references and actually shortened the article by about half, also removing the exerpts from her book. My guess is that the WH PressSec simply told staffers to back away from it, probably pointing out that everyone gets muddy in a mud-slinging contest.

I doubt that many people give Brewer much credibility these days. She will be best remember for her attempts to repeal the MLK holiday (and her requirement that banks would lose their state charter unless they were open on that day) and to take Arizona out of the "communist" Daylight Savings Time "scheme." To this day I do not understand her (and many others from Arizona) making such a big deal of DST. While it has never saved the electricity that was its original reasoning during WWI, over 90% of Americans support DST. They always say, "You have to pick your causes."

Umm, daylight savings time, ok. Now, there are several studies currently being conducted on the ill effects that DST has on productivity and health. Why, exactly, do we have to change clocks, lose sleep and hours to 'save' daylight?

From Obama:

"I think it’s always good publicity for a Republican if they’re in an argument with me,” he said. “But this was really not a big deal."

GOOD! Now maybe people will just shut up about this non-event.

RealisticRyan,

"Your hatred for this President is insane and detrimental to our great country."

____

Wrongo Bongo. Obama is the only thing detrimental to our great country. He is trying to destroy it with the goal to shift it to a more socialist/communist way of government. He hasn't had a budget since he got into office. One he proposed was voted down by 100%, yes that is 100% of all members of congress. Unemployment is down in Arizona, but it is much higher than 9% nationwide. Its probably double that. Arizona has decreased their state debt. Obama has increase ours more in 3 years than President Bush did in 8 years. Brewer is DOING SOMETHING to secure the boarder and enforce federal laws. Obama will not enforce federal laws at all regarding the boarder because he wants the hispanic votes. Much of what Obama does now is to try to get re-elected. He is a joke. I could go on and on.

Yes, its true, OBAMA IS WHAT IS DETRIMENTAL TO OUR COUNTRY.

Has anybody else noticed how MSNBC has redacted the nicest and warmest parts of GOv. Brewer's letter? The parts where she welcomes him? The parts where she says she is convinced they both want to make America great, and only differ in approaches to doing so? The part where she invites him to see the results of her attempts to make Arizona great again? The part where she offers to buy him lunch while they tour the border?

Our President was punked by an oppportunistic, dirty-playing politician, Miss Queen of the Punks.

@mygirl,

You are full of beans. The US adopted it in 1918. The primary reason was to save electricity and kerosene for the war effort. And it has been a stupid political football ever since.

1) There are NO studies that correlate DST with any health effects one way or the other. Period. This is because the human body clock is pretty much tied to the sun and DST is a slight adjustment in that direction. If you think that the numbers on your clock influence your health, you neet to spend some time thinking about it.

2) On the other hand, the benefits claimed for DST are real, but so tiny as to be worthless. There are tiny savings in electricity and tiny increases in oiutdoor recreation, and tiny delines in auto accident rates, for sure. But the amounts are so tiny that they really are pretty meaningless.

3) The big beneficiaries of DST are --- ta da ---- retail stores, whose sales increase with the increase in daylight shopping hours.

4) DST is neither new nor American. Modern DST was started by Germany in 1916 to spur its war industry. But it goes back in concept to Roman times when the water clocks that were used to time civic events wer reset in the spring and back again in the fall. They actually claimed that it helped prevent fires by causing people to burn fewer lamps. LOL

5) There are no hours "lost" or "saved." There are still 24 hours in every day, DST or not. Ben Franklin advocated for moving all business an hour earlier in the summer as a way of giving workers more time with their families, but the idea did not catch on. It was too cumbersome to try to figure out when different businesses were open. Early experiments led to the conclusion that it was all or nothing.

6) Opponents of DST have often called it socialist, a communist plot, and blamed it on various international conspiuracies. But there are people who say the same about the Bible. The bottom line is that this is a capitalist country and DST has been strongly lobbied for by the retail sales, the chambers of commerce, and the outdoor recreation industry. And lobbied against by people like Brewer who are trying to stir up populist anti-government sentiments among idiots.

After the White House meeting, Brewer said the tone was "cordial" and played it up as a good meeting. She repeated that assessment more than once.

Her book completely contradicts what she said publicly at the time. Clearly she is a liar.

Jan Brewer is a brain-dead hater. Her comment that she felt 'threatened' by President Obama is a case in point. Did she think he was going to steal her purse? Rape her on the spot? What kind of an idiot comment is that?

@tardsarestupid your comment against the well written and factual statement written by Chris - as you know violates the CoH but what does it say about you?

Do you have a question, was there something that you didn't understand? Why attack someone - call them "stupid" after they have laid out a position ? Do you have something to say that is of relevance? (or is name calling all you know how to do?)

Hey Chris! Great job, as usual!

I do not understand why posters do not have some semblance of etiquette. Yes, I agree with Chris, but, perhaps a day will come when we do not agree on a topic - I know we will agree to disagree RESPECTFULLY and in the end we will both learn from the stance of the other.

Even a genius asks a question - they do not throw stones.

@RealisticRyan

As jesuswillbrb pointed out...this lady is a proven liar. Compare what she said about the meeting with Obama in her press interview with what she said about it in her book and there's your proof. It's on video and in writing. No need to speculate. She lies to sell her book and you people are dumb enough to buy it.

And you think she is different from Obama how? He takes the cake when it come to spewing BS. He lies to get re-elected and you people are dumb enough to buy it. When you're the pot you should probably avoid calling out the kettle.

Chris: If I am 'full of beans' perhaps you should check Politifact, the Huffington Post and the Houston Chronicle, they all carried articles about studies focused on the bad effects of DST as related to health. Ditto MSNBC, which carried an article on the very same subject about a week ago. I'm going to let you do the research, it would be a better choice of your time rather than offering insults.

Chris & Black Kettle....what they said! (but don't get me started on Sand Creek it tends to anger me).

Mygirl1, anecdotal evidence and the rantings of a few people who get headaches during daylight hours does not really qualify as research or a study....but you believe what you want.

While looking at the "boarder" problems, maybe they can teach spelling too. Isn't it ironic that her predecessor is in charge of the same department that protects the border?

The term you're looking for is 'loser'.

Thankfully Obama mandating you actually stay in high school until you're 18 might remedy this issue.

let's see...over past three years;

illegal border entries - down

deportations - are up

don't let the facts get in the way of a good post "Yogi"!

@RUKEN--sooo right and sooo hilarious!!

@Yogi--The fact that Obama has done more about illegal immigrants and has the strongest record of deportations of any recent POTUS seems to have no bearing on Repubs...Guess you want the POTUS to drop what he's doing and go patrol the border himself...

Every dumb comment like the ones above are EXACTLY why Repubs are gonna lose, again. At least republicans years ago used to try to SOUND intelligent and informed...lol.

Lets hope there are no forest fires or other natural disasters in ARIZ.--Obama will probably do the same thing Bush did about Katrina...nothing..

Guys named Yogi are infamous for their dim witted comments...Keep up the tradition..

LMAO@ Repukes!! OBAMA 2012--4 MORE YEARS!!!

Yogi, you need to use spell check, or is that spel chek?

Illegal border entries down because of downgrade presidents horrible economy.

If you can spell Border, I might start to believe you...

trico--are you talking about the downgrade of our AAA credit casued by world class republican obstructionism--or the downgrading of our economy caused by republican war profiteering amidst tax cuts for the rich? Let me know which you are talking about so I can more properly refute your comment...lol

OBAMA 2012--

Anyone who believes Obama when he says that border crossings are down and deportations are up is an idiot. The man and his administration lie and distort "facts" constantly. And we have 2.6 million more private sector jobs added since he took over as well! And he runs a transparent presidency. And the moon is made of green cheese! And every libtard in the country quotes these lies as if they were facts!

And JDub.. - Obama and the Dems have been on charge with huge majorities these past three years. Did you just wake up from a deep sleep? The problems you refer to are on their watch.

Meanwhile he does not even bother to visit the border and get a first-hand feel for the problem when he is in the state - like any real president would do. He was in Arizona but instead of meeting this most basic responsibility he goes to fundraising events! Obama is a disgrace to the office of the presidency.

b dune, don't forget to finish, illegal entries quit being counted as of2008 so obamy didn't look so bad. Let's not forget illegal exportation of firearms by this failed administration, taking border patrol agents from the border since the count no longer mattered, and Sherrif Joe helping to stop those numbers with no help from this failed administration.

Yogi, did you make it past sixth grade? Your spelling would suggest not.

it is amazing how Republicans are willing to cede that the decline in illegal entries are contributable to the economic downturn but somehow CANNOT see the same correlation between the same economic recession and rise in use of social programs like foodstamps.

trico, you can put your spin on it however you like but the facts are are plain and clear, get over it.

Ruken - "Stay in high school until your 18"

I hope that doesn't catch on... My Daughter is 17, and graduating this spring. She has already had differential equations, linear algebra, Finite math, Engineering calculus... And has about 60 college credits. I sure hope she doesn't need to stay in high school another year!

Thankfully Obama mandating you actually stay in high school until you're 18 might remedy this issue.

Thankfully I graduated before Obama became President if this is true, since I chose to work hard and graduated early.

Yogi & ilk...small minds think the same. Low bred, low educated, low IQ, low brow.

Yogi, I think you made a Boo Boo (yuk, yuk)

Apparently, you believe your opinions are facts…get your facts straight before distorting
them to compliment your pointless opinion.

don't disagree about the border situation but the rest of the bullh!t is just plain bs None of the pols are doing anything for this country, they should all be thrown out of office

Thankfully I graduated before Obama became President if this is true, since I chose to work hard and graduated early.

He said 18 or until you graduate, whichever comes first.

President Obama's brilliant success even with all of the obstruction from the Gaseous Old Pharts is eating you inbreds alive.

President Obama's brilliant success even with all of the obstruction from the Gaseous Old Pharts is eating you inbreds alive.

I dont know what you have been smoking Michael, but it must be some might good stuff, especially if you believe that what you say. Speaking of inbreds, what would that make you?

Michael-528853

Excellent post!!!!

I graduated from HS at 16, and College at 21 with 3 degrees, and then at 22 with my MBA. Most take until they are 24 with 1 degree and 1 Masters.
It all should have been a year earlier based on my academics. But I was not allowed to skip one grade as I changed from Public to Private School.

However based on my life I wish I had been 18 when I graduated...any Idea how it feels to be 16 when everyone else is 18 around you? It is not a good feeling to be the 'brain'

31 Job offers upon graduation when I really wanted to have a little of my life before I began the rest of my life.

Now I am older (Don't ask) and all that is too late.

These posts made me think of that, thanks for listening. And take a lesson from it if you have a gifted child.

I agree. Its both repubs and dems that are corrupt. I dont think ill vote this election either.

You just have to vote for who you think will suck less. That's my mentality.

Lately it has been more of voting AGAINST a person rather than FOR another person.

Ruken

That is how we got to where we are today.

if there is no viable candidate go out and run yourself... find someone worth running...that is your duty as an American

if there is no viable candidate go out and run yourself... find someone worth running...that is your duty as an American

I don't have a few million dollars lying around.

Well, Cliff, since term limits seem to be such a priority in the teabagger manifesto, I expect that you will be supplying us with the letters of resignantion for every one of the teabagger candidates that were elected to the House in 2010. If you can not do that, you should sit down, close your mouth and consider yourself duped.

If you do not participate in the governing of your country, state, county or city/town by registering a vote in an election, you have lost ALL right to complain about how that country, state, county or city/town is governed. Most voting forms still allow a "write-in" option in the general election. If you can not stomach any of your options on the ballot then WRITE SOMEONE IN. I hereby offer my name, Cathi Buchanan, as a viable Independent Presidential candidate or Virginia Senatorial or Congressional candidate.

Personally I respect the office. But the doofus currently residing there deserves my contempt.

In that case still waiting, im sure you won't be voting for Newt if you felt Bill Clinton deserved to be impeached correct?

Bush NEVER received the level of CONTEMPT Obama has had to deal with. Sure we called him a doofus and laughed and joked about his intelligence...But NOBODY pointed a finger in THAT DOOFUS's face. Nobody made posters of him that compared him to Hitler...Nobody fired guns at his image...Disrespect comes with presidential power--contempt for your own country's leader is quite another matter.

I don't remember anyone wagging their finger in Bush's face or shouting "you lie" at one of his SOTU speeches. Any objective person can see that the lack of respect shown to our current POTUS is much worse.

quite a disconnect here on "respect"...

"I think it’s always good publicity for a Republican if they’re in an argument with me,” he said. “But this was really not a big deal."

Isn't diminishing a person a sign of disrespect?

Obamas comment above reminds me of how he invited paul ryan to a news release last year for obama version 2 suggested FY2012 budget. We all know how much "respect" obama showed republicans on their budget proposal.

It is past time for obama to read Carnegies book on "How to win friends and influence people"

"Isn't diminishing a person a sign of disrespect?" Maybe if she hadnt pointed a finger in his face but hey everyones a hypocrite.

Pat G--How so? I'd absolutely LOVE for you to show me where i'm wrong.. I will have a BALL with you for sure...

Class begins whenever you are ready....

Ryan - she pointed the finger in his face because he was being disrespectful.

Here are a few photos for you people to look a. Now you don't have to read anything. Just look at the pictures.

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

http://amanandamouse.blogspot.com/2007/12/george-w-bush-is-monkey.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJKK6oSAXXk

http://www.zazzle.com/george_bush_monkey_t_shirt-235746561292884062

I agree! The level of utter contempt shown our President is disheartening, indeed. That Ms. Brewer says she felt "threatened" by him -- c'mon! And there's this -- she now says she felt he was condescending toward her in their White House meeting some time back, but at that time, directly following the meeting, she said quite the opposite, and characterized the meeting as cordial. I don't think you can have it both ways. But then -- her book sales HAVE gone up since this incident!

American...seems to me Bush needed to read Carnegie's book. Was swaggering, drawling and showing his contempt by saying, "MY way or the highway" the idea of "respect"? Not to mention his comments on the Constitution.

The only reason Bush never had a finger pointed in his face was because at every possible chance, his audiences were handpicked YES people. Areas where ever he spoke were cordoned off for miles around so any protestors were too far from the cameras.

President Obama IS the president whether the Goth 40 and 50 somethings wearing their black crepe like it or not. You had your 8 years with Bush. And from the looks of what passes these days for GOP candidates, it looks as if the Goths will be covering themselves in their black shrouds for another 4 years. President O is 2012! Eat your hearts out.

Obama gets more respect from our allies across the world than he does here in his own country. It is truly disturbing and ridiculous.

Throwing shoes at "W" wasn't a sign of disrespect?

Obama gets more respect from our allies across the world than he does here in his own country.

That should not be the least bit surprising. When you whisper into the ears of your bed partners what they want to hear they will always respect you. It's the next morning that is the real measure of your worth.

It seems as though obama is treating Americans as the "morning after" partners in his one-night stand. It is obvious from some of the comments made who like being "used, abused, and made to feel cheap."

So when W was elected all the outgoing Clinton admin. took the W keys off the keyboards.

Not only disrespect and destruction of gov property

MY TAX DOLLARS

Throwing shoes at "W" wasn't a sign of disrespect?

It proves RealisticRyans point. The shoe incident wasn't done HERE by an AMERICAN. It was an Iraqi in Iraq.

You Obama haters will go ballistic when he wins. Not one of the Insane Clown Posse can win, not enough nuts for that.

So when W was elected all the outgoing Clinton admin. took the W keys off the keyboards.

Not only disrespect and destruction of gov property

MY TAX DOLLARS

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That was a classic. Well worth the money I paid in taxes for it.

Taking the "W"'s off the Keyboards is Classic... I think that is smart, funny and if someone did that to me coming into office i think i would laugh... I suspect that there may be some tradition on this type of thing.. at least there should be

Call it the "Presidents Prank"

- Each outgoing administration pulls a prank on the incoming administration.. Sounds like fun

The point that most of the Brewer fans seem to be making here is that, as a 'black man', President Obama should have been more deferential to a 'white' woman.

That guy just doesn't seem to know his PLACE!

And I can't imagine putting my hands on someone, particularly a woman, without their permission as Obama had done just before this picture was taken. He put his hand on Brewers shoulder while talking down to her regarding the statements in her book. Too bad the news media, in their typical one sided reporting fashion, failed to mention that portion of the exchange. What Obama did was equally disrespectful of Brewer, both as the Governor of a state and as a person in general. I was always taught growing up that putting your hands on someone without their permission, unless they are a close friend or relative, is unacceptable. You can not criticize Brewer without criticizing Obama's actions as well, that is unless you are a typical liberal hypocrite!!!

JDubbaya - Couldn't have said it better myself! I wanted to "thumbs-up" your comment 50 times. If President Obama says something really stupid like, "I'm the decider," or misspells a common word, like P-O-T-A-T-O-E, I will happily make fun of him with friends too. But as much as I did not enjoy President Bush, I always referred to him as PRESIDENT Bush. If I had met him, I would have treated him with the respect the office deserves. The way President Obama is treated by hate mongers and intollerant people is disgusting. AND it's embarassing!

I'm sure there's some truth to what the Ariz. Gov. is saying about the way she was received by the POTUS at the White House. Obama's definitely got that confidence-"I'm know what's best attitude", just no results to back-up that cocky demeanor, and golden teleprompted-rhetoric and voice.

And I'm also certain that there were at least a few dozen photo's of the exchange, but the Liberal Lame Stream Media chose the "Finger Pointing" photo for publicity purposes and to insight hatred and aggravate the already heady discontent between the only two political parties in this country.

Duphas, et al -- The president is called "No Drama Obama" for a reason, and in fact many feel he is not aggressive enough and often too professorial. Brewer on the other hand has no such reputation, and in fact has been caught in lies several times before this. As has been said, someone is lying and it isn't the president. She should be thankful the secret service didn't take her out.

Most of the Teapublican governors who were swept into office in recent elections are not qualified, and that includes governors like Rick Perry who somehow managed to hold office for ten years, and of course Sarah Palin. Aside from extremist overreach (Rick Scott, John Kasich, Mitch Daniels, etc.) we are seeing the ethics problems with Scott Walker now as well.

Jan Brewer is a fat-arsed hag who is only in office due to right-wing Haters in Arizona. There are many issues that matter. Those who vote based on one issue (abortion, illegal immigration, etc.) have no business voting. Throw out Brewer. She has shown repeatedly that she is not fit to hold office or represent the people of Arizona.

what stands out to me is the complete lack of respect for the President that politicians these days show. people were "booing" obama in the SOTU address... In the 90s, no matter how heated things got, there were certain lines that were never crossed. Now, some bimbo Governor from Arizona thinks she has the RIGHT to wag her finger in our president's face? and she chastises him publicly afterwards? are you freakin' joking me?

and all of this so she can get the media spotlight on her to sell some books... it's because these idiots are rewarded for their crass rude behavior, or for saying outlandish things, because all the ignorant sheeple flock to the nearest Barnes & Nobles to buy their idiotic books... it really is getting out of control in my opinion. Think back, would anyone have ever wagged their finger in Bush #1's face? or how about Reagan's face? would anyone have ever dared to Boo one of those presidents, or yell out and call them a "liar", INTERRUPTING their speech?

take a long look, people, at the behavior of these thugs as they continue to try to keep you all distracted from the real issues w/ their rhetoric and "made up" idealogical inspired fights. and how about we all honor our tradition of respecting sitting Presidents, and lets hear some condemnations from Republicans of this Lady's egregious and ridiculous behavior - as another poster said, I wouldn't tolerate some stupid lady wagging her finger in MY face, and I am not even the POTUS - it reflects a general deterioration of discourse (whether it be political, religious, scientific, anything) in this country, as well as a lack of respect or caring for our fellow humans.

Dear Jan: Thank you for the letter, can you use softer paper next time. It surely will feel better when I wipe my a** with it.

Speaking of respect, TruePatriot, I really like how you libs always resort to name calling anyone who doesn't agree with you. You are all very respectful.

Skiddy, only if you consider calling a spade a spade to be "name calling". I don't. Because name-calling implies an intended spin or misleading element, in trying to label or brand a person without justification or cause.

The problem is, the TeaPublacrap Faux News crowd ARE PROUD of their ignorance, they ARE PROUD of their disbelief in science, they are JUST SO PROUD of how stupid they are, and they use it as some sort of twisted perverted "proof" to their dumbed down constituents that they are not part of the hated "liberal socialist media elite" that is hell bent on the destruction of this fine country. So in that sense, no it is not "name calling" anymore - we are "calling you all out" if you prefer that verbage!

Obama's definitely got that confidence-"I'm know what's best attitude"

Duphas (nice moniker), funny how people like you, who have never met the President and never tried to work with him, say that he's condescending and has an "I know what's best attitude" when the people who have known and worked with him all his life say the exact OPPOSITE. Nobody changes that much.

And JS in SD can't even IMAGINE a black man touching a white woman. Really?

What all of you are really saying is that because he has dark skin, you distrust President Obama and have certain pre-conceived notions that have no basis in reality. Sadly enough, it works on a national level, as the GOP finds it easier to fan the flames of fear and hate than tackle our nations problems.

No President in our nation's history has had to put up with such vilification and unwarranted disrespect except for Abraham Lincoln.

@commonsense - You definitely do not have any. You just need to go crawl back under your rock until you grow up. Despite what the liberal talking points you have been handed may say, not everyone who has a problem with Obama is a racist, many of us just can not stand his policies or politics. Nowhere in my post did I mention a single thing about race and I find it disgusting that you would twist what I said in that way. It is highly inappropriate to put your hands on someone without their permission unless they are either family or a close friend. In fact in most business environments in the US, this will get you charged with harassment and probably fired in an instant. For Obama to put his hands on Brewer was completely inappropriate, regardless of either of their races. People want to criticize Brewer but ignore this major breach of decorum on the part of Obama. It is the typical hypocrisy I have come to expect from the liberals and their lap dog news media outlets.

@commonsense....

Throw out Brewer. She has shown repeatedly that she is not fit to hold office or represent the people of Arizona.

I'll preface by saying that I assume you're not from Arizona since you didn't mention it in your little bitch fest. Your comment I've quoted is the perfect representation of the liberal and progressive mindset. Who cares what the people who actually live in Arizona want, I know what's best for them and they should listen to me. Of course Obama has a "I know what's best" attitude, he's a liberal, that's the liberal mantra. Elect the person who you want to run every aspect ofyour life. If liberals didn't believe he knew what was best for them they never would have voted for him.

Oh, Scottm, so now you spin "name calling" into "calling out." You people are a joke. It's Ok for you to do it, but just don't do it back to you. Purely hypocritical, as I said.

So screw off, kid. If you can't show respect, someone needs to slap your mother, she obviously failed as a parent.

And like previously stated he should earn some measure of respect by winning a free (and undisputed) election to the office of President of the United States, Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces and leader of the free world.

Remeber the outrage when one of the DIxie Chicks said she didn't respect Bush? She was called a traitor, radio stations banned her records - Where is that outrage now?

TNSEVOL - the outrage over the Dixie Chicks was because they did it in other countries. It's like being mad at your brother - you don't take it outside of your home.

TNSEVOL, but some republicans are one sided, it's funny how they turn everything around to fit their agenda. For instance, Bush got Hussein, but according to republicans, Obama didn't get Bin Ladin, and even worse they say it was Bush. A bunch of characters these republicans are, can't believe a word they say.

AZkid...Oh really? President Obama hasn't earned respect? And why exactly is that? Did he lie about WMDs? Did he snake around the country selling Iraq on a silver platter for Halliburton? Did he put his favorite nanny, Harriet Meiers, out there for a seat on the Supreme Court? Did his ignorance cause a Financial Meltdown?

Anyone else fed up with these Obama bashers and their lies? Can we get the tar and feather baths set up soon? This is about as ridiculous as it needs to get. They haven't got a single thing they can pin on a president who knowingly takes on the job of cleaning up after the prissy asses of the GOP long horn dung for 8 years and these jealous little twerps think it will deter the rest of the country from moving on.

Happy Days are here again and we have President Obama and the Democrats to thank for that. Enough with those long faces and dark days of doom and gloom. The country is in better shape than it was in when Bush ran off and escaped to his Crawford lair.

A bunch of characters these republicans are, can't believe a word they say.

And those democrats are always ever so truthful. Good thing we recognize your sarcasm but the reason I pointed it out was for those that might have forgotten about bj billie and the resultant fiasco from his broom closet hummers.

TNSEVL, I think you're right about the Dixie Chicks comparison. I will NOT listen to a Jan Brewer record.

the outrage over the Dixie Chicks was because they did it in other countries. It's like being mad at your brother - you don't take it outside of your home.

Except that is EXACTLY what many republican politicians (including Palin) did when they were overseas.

http://greenheritagenews.com/?p=1535

Read the "rest of the story" and see how Huckabee, Palin, Sen James (r) did that overseas - that is much worse than some singers complaining about a president - and Sen Inhofe had his lackeys tell foreign delegates not to cooperate with Obama on climate change. What a bunch of sanctimonious hypocrites.

Most of the Teapublican governors who were swept into office in recent elections are not qualified, and that includes governors like Rick Perry who somehow managed to hold office for ten years, and of course Sarah Palin. Aside from extremist overreach (Rick Scott, John Kasich, Mitch Daniels, etc.) we are seeing the ethics problems with Scott Walker now as well.

Jan Brewer is a fat-arsed lying hag who is only in office due to right-wing Haters in Arizona. There are many issues that matter. Those who vote based on one issue (abortion, illegal immigration, etc.) have no business voting. Throw out Brewer. She has shown repeatedly that she is not fit to hold office or represent the people of Arizona.

@ the thinker. I would rather have a president that got a bj a day than one that would start a war with the wrong country. But then I guess you have some twisted morals of your own. You knw, sex is much much worse than killing a few hundred thousand people and bankrupting a nation. I am glad I am as old as I am so I don't have to see how you guys kill this beautiful country.

Good day.

True Patriot (aptly named)

Rick Perry is nowhere near as bad as Jan Brewer or Scott Walker or Mitch Daniels. He might not be the brightest, but at least he's not deliberately trying to destroy America as we know and love it. With Rick it's more accidental.

Jan Brewer is a fat-arsed lying hag who is only in office due to right-wing Haters in Arizona

And the Corrections Corporation of America. But is she really fat-arsed? I would say she is more of a lying, stupid, hateful hag voted in by Reich-wing haters in Arizona and funded from out of state.

By the way, have the sales of her book gone up? They will now. Until yesterday, nobody knew someone wrote a book for her and signed her name as author. They do now.

I never heard not one democrat say Bush did not get Hussein, but republicans said Obama didn't get Bin Laden, the SEALS did, then if that's true, Bush didn't get Hussein. Can't have it both ways, although leave it up to republicans to want it both ways, cause they are not fair, we have see plenty of their unfairness going on.

• "Jan Brewer is a fat-arsed lying hag"

I agree with this part. Also the part where BREWER deserves NO respect. WHen Arizona needs some disaster assistance I hope they let you ROT OUT THERE, jacka$$es!!!

And keep your ALtheimer's laden biatch of a governor away from our beloved president. He's got far more important things to do than deal with some batty biatch that needs attention ....

I can honestly say this is one of the most childish ignorant comments yet! You obviously don't deserve RESPECT! A Liberal too boot!

ncie try john - she's no woman!

john, what he has is respect, even if that person doesn't deserve it, what would you have had him do, knock her finger out of his face, maybe that would have been you responce, but I for one respect him more for the way he handled it. I think what bothers a lot of Republicans is that he is such a class act cause they could never measure up to his example, so they try and try to make him look bad, but in the end his classiness comes shinning through and that bothers them to no end, lol.

lu--you're so right. It really burns their bridges that the very first classy president since Kennedy HAD to be BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA...Most politicians are so vitriolic and bafoonish that most dont even know how to meet class with class.. Good job ALWAYS being the bigger man mr pres.

what would you have had him do

he is such a class act

That's right. It showed so much class by turning his back on her and walking away while she was still talking to him.

Republicans don't have to try and make him look bad. He is doing a damn good job of it all on his own.

Jan Brewer is a disgrace to American women. All she did was show the world that American women are disrepectful harridans. If Brewer is vying for a part on "Bad Girls", she won't have much rehearsing.

Federal gov is there to work FOR the states not GOVERN the states

That dumb broad is lucky she was dealing with Obama. If it had been me there would have been a chick fight. Disrespectful wingnut.

@the thinker, it does hurt doesn't it, take an aspirin and call fox news in the morning.

At least we have a thread, were we can freely express our opinions. I doubt conservatives would ever have something like this forum, freedom of speech for them is a nasty word, or any other kind of freedom, freedom of anything for a conservative in power must be: act like me, talk like me, like what I like, only I know what is best etc.....

@john-1818658

Hey we know the old ugly Altheimers Governor of AZ could kick crap out of you loser and that you'd luv it!.. You'd probably insist she wear a strap-on afterwards to finish the job on your skanky butt.... lol

You have no room at all to talk about anyone! You are a filthy mouth ignorant person. You should be banned from the sights. You really are a low life to be bashing the way you do.

Or told her where to stick it ...

I would have smacked that ugly wig off her head and laughed as it rolled down the tarmac like an Arizona tumbleweed. I mean really...are all of these ugly teabagger hags getting their hair off the same diseased horse????

Shockedanddisgusted

great post!!!!

I'm not sure Brewer can even spell class ...

She is only bigger in her own (and other teapubs) mind. And she most definitely has NO class.

Gov. Jan Brewer is a stupid biatch of the lowest order..... (and butt ugly to boot!!) Who wouldn't want to walk away quickly from that altheimers rambling witch???

He will get reelected. Because with no electable candidates, the GOP is handing a second term to him.

Exciledknight, if you think obama is a narcissist im sure you don't favor an even bigger narcissist in every way... Newt.

Yes, illegal votes, Acorn Hole, and fools elected an eneligable ass!

Show me one case of illegal voter fraud. Just one.

I bet you can't.

ABO 2012

OMG 2012

It will all be about the economy, and right now the economy isn't on obamas side. Neither is his past inability to maintain focus on it.

Well if there was a reasonable republican candidate maybe. Either way Newt will be crucified.

Geez.......shouldn't this be a place for thoughtful, intelligent debate and comment?

Show me one case of illegal voter fraud. Just one.

I bet you can't.

My money's on Ruken. Voter fraud in America is limited to actions like Jan Brewer, who as secretary of state erased nearly 100,000 Spanish-sounding surnames from the voter rolls shortly before an election.

(By the way, I owe Ruken an apology for the other day. Ruken, I apologize for disparaging one of your comments. I was wrong to do so.)

Chrissy, talk about out of touch, you damn liberals will eventually ruin this country. If you haven't already. Why, don't you just join those "Punks in the Parks", who really are out of touch.

Wait till u see Newt.

Tony, what an epic fail. cna't you figure out if the country is ruined or not hon? Hang on, Rush is on soon, he can tell you. LOL

Tony, talk about ruining the country, you have some nerve. Bush did that and did a very good job of that I will give him that, ruinning the country he sure did a good job, that's the only thing Bush ever did right. And Pres. Obama brought us back, cause if you don't know how bad the country was when Bush was President then you were out of touch with reality, because we were so close to losing everything as we knew it, that was just no talk, Banks, car dealerships, even credit cards were within one week of going bankruput. We were in serious trouble.

Brewer makes Bachmann look sane.

She's doing what she was elected to do. Primarily her top function is to protect the citizens of Arizona. Illegals threaten their safety. I applaud her.

Some women are strong independent thinkers and some are just angry. She's the latter.

She's doing more to protect the border with federal money allocated by the federal gov't. Obama's position for her (and every other state) is if you want federal money, you accept federal rules.

She can turn down the federal money any time she wants, then she figure out how to pay all the cops it'll take to stop Mexicanny looking person. Bet she won't do it.

Hey BearDown the thing is, not only is the fed. gov. not doing the job of securing the border they turn around and sue anyone who tries to stop their little ILLEGAL buddies from BREAKING THE LAW.

It's time to open your eyes but do it slowly becouse the TRUTH can be blinding.

As soon as AZ gets an apology for the lack of respect from the POTUS for trying to force AZ to allow our nations laws to be broken I'm sure Brewer would gladly apologise for the finger wagging.

Hey "Gun owner" what Obama should have said to the idiot Brewer was "Bite me. and if you don't like the federal gov't you should return all of the stimulus money you frauds took..plus interest." You teabaggers can't have it both ways.

Poor little teabaggers. More illegal aliens have been deported under President Obama's administration than were by their "god in the White House" Bush's. They can wiggle and squirm and lie...but they only look either dishonest or stupid.

Protecting the safety of Arizona's citizens has nothing to do with being disrespectful, there is no need for finger pointing like if you are in 5th grade. Our appointed officals should be above that, they need to hold up to a higher standing.

She was absolutely and totally OUT OF LINE.

You righties howl like scalded cats about respect and decency, but YOU SHOW NONE.

Sorry, distortions abound. All he said to her was that he didn't like the way he was represented in her book. Ironically, conservatives criticize him for making a statement (respecting her a state leader) but defend her outburst (disrespecting him as a national leader).

AZ is being sued for writing their own law. They are free to do whatever they want but not while getting federal funds. If she knows she's gets LOTS of federal dollars and troops to defend the border and still acts like the federal gov't isn't doing anything, I'd say that makes her a hypocrit.

Think Jan will send federal money and troops back to DC so she can do it her way? Or is her entire position hypocritical?

She was drunk - as she usually is.

Especially if he happens to be black, right? What an image and message to send to the world about her in particular and about the bulk of right wingers. Still mad that he won? You will be for a long time.

The more I think about it....I think "Jan" Brewer is a man from the Democratic Party dressed in drag (very bad drag..."he" still looks like a man). His mission is to infiltrate the Republican Party and make them and all their supporters look ignorant, crazy and un-American.

...and it worked!!!!

I'm moderate and critical of Brewer. Your argument is invalid.

Ruken, your argument is inept!

Not really. Contrary to popular belief, moderates do indeed exist.

Do I win yet?

The Governor of Arizona is a product of Arizona and unfortunately she is representative of the general Arizona population.....wackadoo! I've been there and it's the land of Carni-folk.

The Governor of Arizona is a product of Arizona and unfortunately she is representative of the general Arizona population.....wackadoo! I've been there and it's the land of Carni-folk.

Our President was punked by an oppportunistic, dirty-playing politician, Miss Queen of the Punks.

I'm critical of all stupid ugly old fingerwaving altheimer's laden disrespectful traiterous politicians.... And I mean Brewer in case there's any confusion. Call me crazy...

You are trash with your comments and name. You need to be banned for life,

Agreed. It is all about respect....regardless of your opinion of him, he is the POTS and you do not put your finger in his face. She knew exactly what she was doing as the press was everywhere.

So her telling the truth about our "LIAR IN CHIEF" is a book of lies?

Yes it is--there is plenty of footage of her during and immediately after the meetings cited in her book..In EVERY interview she stated how fantastic those meetings went and how much progress she and the Pres. made..Then she writes a book saying the opposite...SOOOO that would mean she was either lying @ the white house interviews OR she's lying in her book--either way she's just proven herself to be a two-faced politician...

Pat, exactly WHAT truth was she saying? Were you privy to that conversation? Did you not read the transcripts of the Oval Office meeting where she was IN the meeting, and that everything was great? Where was her brain at then, out to lunch? Can't be cordial one instant, then say it was a tense meeting later, makes you look kind of ummmm flip-floppy? Maybe she should hang a banner behind her that says 'Mission Accomplished.' Oooops, can't do that, someone else already did.

I remember her saying that the meeting went well but if you had followed the news, it was common knowledge that they didn't. So when a microphone is stuck in her face, what do you expect her to say? Bits and pieces of a story don't make for much of a post.

Well headhunter that's an esay question. When a microphone is stuck in the face of a republican, we expect them to lie. it is after all what they do best. Epic fail dude. You bacisally just admitted she is a lair.

Stupid book-selling wannabe celebrity politician! Well I guess Brewer has to be more outrageous than the rest since she's so damn ugly and stupid..

"Stupid book-selling wannabe celebrity politician!"

There were two of them on the tarmak