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The state of the union is "grave," Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels asserted Tuesday evening in the Republican response to President Obama's State of the Union address.
Daniels painted a dark portrait of the nation's fiscal and economic situation, blaming Obama for the struggling economy, while promoting the Republican agenda as the best alternative to Obama and Democrats.
"On these evenings, Presidents naturally seek to find the sunny side of our national condition," Daniels said. "But when President Obama claims that the state of our union is anything but grave, he must know in his heart that this is not true."
It was a pessimistic contrast to the president's more upbeat message, but Daniels pledged the GOP would offer a more upbeat alternative for voters in the coming election season.
"So 2012 is a year of true opportunity, maybe our last, to restore an America of hope and upward mobility, and greater equality," he said. "An opposition that would earn its way back to leadership must offer not just criticism of failures that anyone can see, but a positive and credible plan to make life better, particularly for those aspiring to make a better life for themselves. Republicans accept this duty, gratefully."
Daniels, a former Office of Management and Budget (OMB) director, had himself been favored by a number Republicans as a dark horse choice in this year's GOP presidential primary. He's regarded as a darling among fiscal hawks in the party, and was chosen by House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) to deliver the rejoinder to the president.
Daniels hit on a series of Republican talking points, criticizing the Obama administration for expanding spending and debt, but also for canceling projects like the Keystone XL pipeline, a transnational oil pipeline Republicans had favored as a jobs initiative.
The Indiana governor also laid out several broad prescriptions as a GOP alternative to Obama, calling for tax reforms and repairs to entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security to ensure their solvency.
"The mortal enemies of Social Security and Medicare are those who, in contempt of the plain arithmetic, continue to mislead Americans that we should change nothing," Daniels said.
But Daniels also challenged Republicans to strike a unifying chord, which the conservative governor said was in contrast to Obama, whom he characterized as a divisive leader.
"No feature of the Obama Presidency has been sadder than its constant efforts to divide us, to curry favor with some Americans by castigating others," he said.
"As a loyal opposition, who put patriotism and national success ahead of party or ideology or any self-interest, we say that anyone who will join us in the cause of growth and solvency is our ally, and our friend," Daniels added, admitting that Republicans had not always been as successful in the past at bring Americans together. "We will speak the language of unity."
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So what else is new? Just more of the Grand Obstructionist Party's gloom and doom, the sky is falling retoric. If you can scare enough of the people they may follow you thinking you'll help them. Stupid sheep will be led off the cliff. Pay attention peeps, these folks are only going to help themselves and their rich buddies.
Nobody has ever explained to me why Reaganomics did not work under Reagan, of all people.
Your right Suzq1497446. It's all doom and gloom. The Democraps want to tax everyone and spend everything. Where is Obama's transparency and bipartisanship? Oh ya just more lip service like we heard tonight! The harder my wife and I work, the more Obama takes from me and my family. Between the two of us we work five jobs to make ends meet and for our family to survive. We are no where the $1 million dollar mark and we make more than $100k. I am tired of paying for people like you who are waiting for your hand out.
GOP tp the rescue? Seriously, folks. These jerks let one of the chief orchestrators of the Bush debacle of the last 8 years speak for them. For God's sake, he was Bush's budget director. Further, this is the man that is attacking unions and wanting to end collective bargaining rights for working middle class people.
If that is the man you want to speak about how your party can "rescue" us, gentlemen, THANKS BUT NO THANKS!
We the people are tired of your lies. Unlike your elections, we will not be bought or sold.
Obama / Biden 2012!
I'm tired of being trickled on by Ronnie Raygun's "Trickle Down Theory"!
Money, tax breaks and other government bailouts given to the top 1% in hopes that that money will trickle down to the 99%, now that is truly a "Grave Situation!
Their idea of GOP "rescue" is what got this country in the mess we are in: tax cuts for the wealthy, off shore tax breaks and incentives, and continual wars that are not paid for! They are idiots...plain and simple.
This, as Daniels is engaged in a war against his own citizens, trying to remove the job protections that the unions have fought for and won. It is shameful that he says that the only people that can be considered allies and friends are those who attack the working class families that have made this nation strong and secure for the past generations.
We don't learn. Societies that allow too great a difference between the rich and poor do not survive. Daniels is trying to further the destruction of this nation.
Yeah, the state of the nation is grave, and the GOP and Dems have held hands creating it for the past ten years.
In fact, it's so grave they came up with SOPA and the NDAA.
Republicans and Democrats in Washington seem convinced the way to solve our problem is with another ten year war in Iran, 5 trillion more tax payer dollars down the toilet.
That and the fight against online piracy.
These are their solutions.
Having watched both the SOTU and the response ...
Mitch Daniels was Republican ...
Barrack Obama was correct ...
You have to wonder why the Republican establishment did not have Walker from Wisconsin give the rebuttal. Or do they want to keep him hidden so that they don't make his potential for recall worse?
Having the GOP/TP rescue this nation is like tossing a weighted diving belt to a drowning person!
Nerm,
Your post is far more profound than it appears on the surface. Obama is trying to pull the country together. If you listen to the speech, you cannot conclude otherwise. The Republicans have one agenda, the Republican Party, and they will create division, hatred, even violence and threats of revolution to further that end. It's clear there is a fascist mentality at work there. Hopefully, this is just a phase, albeit a dangerous one.
The real question is why Daniels. I was utterly unimpressed. No wonder people get turned off. Can't believe what Obama says, and then don't want to believe Daniels either.
Every Presidential election comes down to the wallet. U-6 is something like 17.1 or 2 x higher then acceptable.
The party of NO is at it again, If it’s not threatening to obstruct unemployment benefits for people out of work caused by their economic policies over the eight years of the Bush debacle, it was their opposition to the Economic Recovery Act, or Health Insurance Reform, or Cash for Clunkers or the Credit Card Holders Bill of Rights than it’s their desire to destroy Social Security, or their lying about WMD, or death panels all the while giving their rich, corporate, puppet masters obscene tax breaks. By the time the GOPee gets done there will be a rich 1% and the middle class will look like refugees in a third world country.
I'm am amazed at how quickly we forget the past. Why would we want to go back to the Republican party, after this economy they created. Obama was upbeat postitive and lots of solution. I see things getting better slowly, which is what we were told three years ago. You don't get out of a depression over night. Mitch Daniels is perfect, gloom and doom. Scare the hell out of the people and they will follow you, just like Bush. Shame on you!!!!!!!!
North - Obama is only looking like it. Who wouldn't want to live in a huge white mansion, everyone catering to your needs, riding in a limo, a helicopter, your own private jet, kobi beef, expensive halloween parties. It looks like a pretty good gig.
In the real world, you figure out what the key problem, fix it and everything will fall in place. I don't see a focus on one problem, I see an gattling gun firing off in every direction.
you are bought, irene. Obama bought you from day one. The Illinois people never had him as senator; presidential campaigner as soon as he got to Congress; a major cog in the Chicago political machine; did Rezco offer you a deal you couldn't refuse? Almost old news, community organizer and terrorist Ayers, radical pulpit leader the Rev. Wright. He makes claim to fame of things accomplished during his political presidency, that he had nothing to do with, a brainwashing braggart who blames anyone else but himself. Economic recovery? Where? When? He's president in title only! This flawed political system has gone on too long, but how's it gonna change, who's gonna stop it? you...me...uh, Obama? He right in the middle of it all, and he's no better than any other politician, old or new. CHANGE...what a joke.
THe State of the Union is "grave." - Yeah, and the Republican Party is the Gravedigger.
I once again want a response to my question.
Oh please, both parties are full of @!$%# and you all can't seem to figure that out. Obama gives the same speech with some good points that should be taken into consideration, esssentially points that republicans have been fussing over, and they ignore those parts. Then you have Obama essentially rehashing the same talking points with the Dream Act, tax the rich, bad banks, bad former republican predecessor.
Face it, there are two very divergent ideologies at war here. Can we survive the battles of the extremists? Where is the middle road, where is the person who can lead from the middle? It ain't Obama, much of what he said tonight was a repeat of previous speeches (altho I applaud his talking about no more bail-outs, ever, we really, truly do need that) and not much to talk about with the crop of republicans running for office either.
@Jungleboogie - What's with the false equivalencies? When bush was president, no one ever cried about the GOP and Dems screwing everything up. As a matter of fact, the GOP claimed that the Dems were traitors. If anyone said anything even remotely negative about bush, the were quickly demonized, just ask the Dixie Chicks.
But now that Obama is president, it's the GOP and Dems that are to blame. When Obama tries to pass meaningful legislation, the GOP is always obstructing, and I mean always. When the Dems also try to pass meaningful legislation, yep, you guessed it, the GOP is there to obstruct once again.
Yet, in your mind, it's both parties and the only examples you can come up with is SOPA and NDAA. I wholeheartedly agree with you that those two bills are trash and it comes at a price for the average Joe/Jane, but look beyond that and you will see tons of obstruction by the GOP.
The GOP wants to end healthcare for all (ObamaCare), they want to get rid of the department of education, they want to eliminate the minimum wage, unions, child labor laws, EPA, and what they consider entitlements, Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security (I paid into those so it's my right to collect, and it's not an entitlement in any way, shape, or form). They also want to continue tax breaks for the very rich, or as bush put it, "My base".
These are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how the GOP wants to control the US.
@North GA Individual -- The 'talking head' pundits were dismissing Obama's speech because it did not contain anything big or bold. Obama presented a laundry list of small ideas.
The current Congress (and our current politics) cannot accomplish anything big or bold. Anyone that has been a leader understands it is far better to celebrate small accomplishments than try to justify big, bold failures.
Obama presented low hanging fruit that both Democrats and Republicans should be able to pick - together. 2011 was a year of astoundingly huge blunders. Our elected government needs to learn how to accomplish something again.
Romney, republicans , or the just plain greedy ; have been whinning like toddlers since the death of TRICKLED DOWN ECONOMICS. it's time for them to grow up , and face the generational changes of life in AMERICA. the BUSH REGIME bankrupt america with their arrogant and flawed cowboy diplomacy. insisting on speaking WMD's into existance, just to occupy iraq and get even with SADDAM HUSSIEN. forget usama bin laden, is what bush said. all he did was occupy the USA TAX PAYERS MONEY until we were in the red. can you remember the surplus he inherited ? in just 36 months it was history, '' thanks to the spoiled brat republicans. rush limpbrain always said he can out think democrats with his brains behind his back. apparently that american bankruptcy came on his and the repugs watch. in 36 months, OBAMA killed usama, killed ga goofy and his insane followers, killed key leaders of usama's followers, and is still offering JOBS BILLS, and working hard to get america out of the quagmere BUSH AND HIS WMD ADMINISTRATION put the USA in. Romney JUST ''FORGOT'' TO MENTION THAT. like '' GIN-GRINCH AND PERRY.
But Daniels also challenged Republicans to strike a unifying chord, which the conservative governor said was in contrast to Obama, whom he characterized as a divisive leader.
That was an oxymoron statement. Like President Obama said you can't have it both ways.
Spilled milk Mr Daniels too late for the GOP. You can turn the hands of the clock back; but the GOP/Tea Potty can't change time. Americans will not revisit the obstruction your party represents. CHECK THE POLLS
Did Mitch happen to mention that, as Bush's budget manager, he had a bit of responsibility for the mess Obama signed up to clean up? I'm betting that would be NO...
@giovanna - Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful reply;
Syria & Iran are the next Iraq. I don't see much dissent within the Democrat's ranks. In fact, dissent is still quelled. If you don't agree in invading Syria and Iran, you are no longer painted as 'unpatriotic', now you are painted as 'crazy'. (ala Ron Paul) Same deal as Iraq, except now Democrats are in power. I don't see that as a false equivalency, do you?
All the steps we are taking towards Iran are the EXACT same steps we took towards Iraq. In regards to U.N. actions, the Arab League, unverified WMD claims, covert CIA ops, etc.
The Democrats, just as the Republicans before them, made no cuts to pay for the actions in Libya, troops in Africa, along with the continuing actions in Afghanistan. The solution: Print money, borrow money, watch the U.S. dollar continue to slide and blame the other party for it.
Last time I checked we ranked behind Cuba in education. You really think the department of education would be a great loss?
The EPA is a nightmare for the small business owner. Most of the regulations benefit large corporations and keep small business out or shut them down. Have you actually seen the majority of the actions by the EPA? Little tiny fines which are almost like a subsidy paid by corporations to the EPA. Like flies to an elephant. When confronted by big oil, the EPA does exactly what it is told.
you bunch of liberal morons!! you cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!! through the corruptive powers of congress taking money from one citizen and giving it to another to whom it does not belong, is just a legal form of theft. you idiots honestly believe that you are returning the money to it's rightful owners by re-distributing it to those whom it does not belong!! there is no better option to get this country back on it's path than to promodte free enterprise and free open markets!! dependency only creates more dependency!! nearly 40% of the us population is on some kind of goverment assistance programs!! the entitlements need to stop!!
Daniels actually said a few things tonight designed to appeal to moderates. He suggested that the wealthy shouldn't be getting advantages of programs for the poor. Daniels likes to sound like a wise moderate and doesn't go after the Tea Party type Red meat. But Daniels is a snake and a liar. Daniels chided his own legislature last year and told them the Right to Work wasn't right for Indiana and convinced them to back down. That got the Democratic legislators to come back and end their boycott that was getting pretty ugly. Republicans tried to get law enforcement to bring the legislators to the State House in handcuffs. Daniels diffused that with seemingly level headed thinking. But it worked just fine because he got the Democrats back and passed a bunch of other legislation they opposed with the overwhelming Republican majority. They came back and got defeated on a lot of stuff, but RTW was off the table. Lot's of people in Indiana would recall him if they could.
Then this year, everything changed. First item on the agenda for Republicans was RTW again, and this time Daniels was 100% behind it. Daniels rallied a significant political action group who are supporting it and campaigning with a mass TV ad campaign. He was against it before he was for it. Watch for Occupy SuperBowl. Daniels has pushed far right legislation and privatized many aspects of government. He is credited with a budget surplus, but only has a short term surplus from selling off the State. He is as arrogant and vengeful as they come and has repeated tried to punish the few Democratic strongholds in the State. Indiana elected Obama in 2008 by a close vote, but the State legislature is dominated by Republicans by over two to one. Much of this thanks to redistricting.
This guy is a business good old boy who takes good care of those who back him. Lots of very questionable deals in his closet. Probably why he decided not to run for President because once the national media started vetting him, this stuff would come out without the bias he controls in the local media.
Don't forget too that this was the fool who said the Iraq war would cost $80 billion tops. He designed a lot of the Bush economic policies while heading OMB. He's one of those little short guys with an attitude too. He controls himself very well in contrived public situations, but is a vengeful little rat in more private settings.
What bothers me about his being given this position to speak when his second term is almost over, is that I believe many traditional Republicans may be thinking coup at the convention. Very late in the game for him to be thoroughly vetted by the media. And without a doubt, Daniels is a good old boy Republican that cares not about social issues but is strictly about money. He's not your Tea Party type at all and is an old school wheeler dealer out to make the rich richer. Including himself. This guy can not be trusted.
Tmyke, I will pay 20% of my income in federal taxes for 2011. Why aren't the Mitt Romneys' paying the same percentage?
Pedestrian - don't forget to count your payroll taxes (Medicare & Social Security). Romney doesn't pay those, either.
Typical Republican fear mongering. President Obama offers a positive view of the future with a logical way to get there and Daniels says the country is dying. I know who I want to work with.
Brian Williams asked Romney the other night "if, as you say, we need to return this country to greatness, when was the last time it was great?" and Romney could do nothing but swallow his tongue. Hope is a whole lot better than hopelessness.
You said it Pedestrian. Apparently tymke would approve of the landed gentry system in 19th century England where a few lords owned virtually all of the land and wealth and everybody else worked for them for peanuts. When we talk about the wealthy few in this country for the most part we are not talking about somebody who earned the money with his own hands and brain, we are talking about people who had money and sat on their butts or serve on some Board while a manager invested for them. The innovative and deserving people in this country are small businessmen and they regularly get the shaft because they can't afford to donate millions to some PAC. Republicans are not "business friendly," they are wealthy friendly.
pedestrian, because mitt adheres to the letter of the law, just like you and I.
While the Democrats are capable of being worthless, it'll be a long, cold day before I'd ask for rescue from a bunch of thieving, crybaby bullies who want to tell me how and with whom to have sex. The Republican Party used to have something resembling honor, education, and ideas. The current model can go straight to hell.
most of romney's income is from investment income and not from actual W-2 earnings. he is taxed at the capital gains rate of 15%. nearly 30% of americans do not pay any federal or state income taxes. How ist that fair!! We need more people to pay taxes, we cannot expect the wealthy to pay more just because they have more. Fair would be for everyone to pay the same percentage regardless of income. If you and i go out to eat and we both have the exact same thing, and i make twice as much money as you do, why should i pay more for the tab?? thats exactly whats happening. I'm not anti government! i'm pro constitution!! i support a small federal government, low federal tax rates, free enterprise. i'm tired of the spending habits of this adminstration. im tired of having less and less but having to work more so i can pay my fair share. i pay enough already i give to charities. people need to wake up and see we are going down a slippery slope with obama and his cronie politicians. DEPENDENCY BREEDS DEPENDENCY!!
@Tmyke -- You are another 'free enterprise' apologist. 'Free enterprise' is NOT capitalism. 'Free enterprise' - 'free market' economics - is simply redistribution of wealth using profit models.
Is software piracy wrong? Is bootleg products manufactured in China wrong? After all, those pirates invested enough capital to produce and sell a product. Isn't that 'free enterprise' at work - making profits?
A pirate is making profits from the WORK of someone else. Someone invested their labor - their intellect - to create something of greater value - to create wealth. A pirate redistributes that wealth to themselves - by investing enough capital to generate profits.
Private equity - venture capital - does not create wealth by restructuring an existing company - by downsizing the workforce - by liquidating assets. Private equity - venture capital - create profits. Those profits redistribute any wealth created by the company to venture capitalists. Why is that any different than pirates?
A business that employs 1000 workers and makes zero profits - is more successful - than a business that employs 500 workers and makes 50% profits. A successful business creates wealth and distributes that wealth among those that contribute to its creation. A business that redistributes created wealth using profit models is a failure under capitalism.
'Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' is not about creating profits. Our founding documents are about creating wealth and allowing everyone an opportunity to share in that created wealth. Using profit models to redistribute wealth created by the work of others is one of the most un-American things possible ...
Mitch Daniels reminded me of the old Saturday Night Live skit "Debbie Downer" ... 'waaa waaaaa' ...... I guess this was "Daniels Downer".
I prefer to follow President Obama's lead and hope fairness and sanity will someday win out over greed.
@DBAkron:
The absurd belief that all we need to do is isolate "one problem" and fix it to take care of all our problems is one of the reasons that we're in this mess to begin with. Our country is not as simple as you seem to believe. In the "real world" you don't fix something by putting someone who refuses to acknowledge or consider the scale of the problem before them in charge and expect anything to get done.
This is the biggest load of counterfactual lies I've heard in a long time.
As for "pulling the country together," one could only believe such a lie if one were to completely ignore all that has thus far been said to the contrary and elevate a pack of "tell them what they want to hear" bald-faced lies to the level of legitimate discourse. The author of "they bring knives, we bring guns," and "they're the enemy" is not any kind of healer or peacemaker, and the so-called Nobel "prize" proclaiming so isn't worth any more than any shattered stone monument to Herod's "greatness" as a god among men that's been trampled underfoot for twenty centuries. If you listen to the speech of a politician and conclude anything otherwise than that it is the speech of a politician and means nothing whatsoever to the mind of an honest man, then you have no capacity for critical thnking. Empty talk is just empty talk. Only fools and babies believe empty talk.
More so than any before them in history, the Demo(n)crats have divided society into separate, nagging, bickering factions to pander to, splitting as with an axe between male and female, between culture and culture, between generation and generation, cutting apart at every conceivable social fault-line, their only agenda being to advance their own narrow party interests which seems solely to be "divide and conquor" for the one solitary purpose of enlarging government and increasing its reach and power--a thing that is anathema to the idea upon which the United States was founded in the first place. The Demo(n)crats demonize anyone who seeks middle ground, hating no one nearly so much as they do someone who only partly agrees with them and spewing insult and abuse at the most sensible comments in these fourms, collapsing voices of simple reason as intolerable simply because they don't agree with the radical agenda of the left or--worse!--present a logical coherent argument against some leftist pet project. They can't even refer to the party across the aisle without using denigrating words, vulgarities, profanities, toilet and sick room references, yet they constantly accuse that other party of hatred, and push for "anti-hate" laws that only target those who Democrats hate--anyone who doesn't neatly fit into the selective narrow factions they pander to. They indoctrinate the young with their constant mean-spitited mantra equating their opposition with evil, yet their own behavior is far more often, far more publicly and plainly just that--evil.
They have historically more often resorted to violence to express their views; riot and destruction seem to come naturally to a Democrat. And all the while they're destroying things, smashing them on the ground with their fellow human being, they're patting themselves on the back for being the party of "compassion" and concern for the weak, the underprivileged, the "poor" whom they keep in servitude with the pandering oppression of their institutional bigotry in the form of laws that destroy children, marriage, families, incentive, and responsibility. No one with his eyes open and his ears attentive to the cries of the rampaging mob of leftists and their demands could possibly be unaware that every call for revolution and violent response, every agitation to stir up envy and greed and fan the flames of bitterness and resentment from those who refuse to control their own urges, those least likely to take responsibility for their own actions, comes from the left side of the street, not the right.
Is North GA a breeding ground for those who are receptive to Lennin's policy of accusing the opposition of being what the communist is himself? Or is that location merely incidental to its resident's delusional myopia?
I am not a Republican.
I don't even LIKE Republicans.
But I put the (n) in parenthesis to highlight a persistent and observable pattern that holds almost exclusively on these forums, a pattern that makes it absolutely obvious what is what and who is who: it is almost rare to see the word "republican" spelled in any way that is not deliberately mean-spriited, vulgar, discourteous, and hateful. It is, on the other hand, very much so rare to see the word "Democrat" spelled in such kinds of mean-spirited and disrespectful ways.
Clearly, it is not those on the right of the specturm who most typically resort to evil, hateful, dishonest, and sociopathic behaviors.
It is the leftist.
The mantra that Republican=evil is a misleading semi-myth that for constant repetition has had its effect, No doubt there are many gullible young people who believe this mean-spirited lie, having heard it so often. But which action is evil, the protection of a baby, or the killing of a baby? Marriage or promiscuous fornication? Freedom or slavery? They see a leftist actor in a Hollywood movie playing the part of a historical conservative, and see the hideous monstrous nature of the personality being portrayed, and never having learned to separate Historical truth from Hollywood fiction, fail to grasp that the noxious personality being seen on the silver screen is that of the natural reality within the heart of the leftist actor.
It is the Democrat that murders the unborn, that perverts marriage, that enforces his own ideology upon others, that demonizes his opponent, hurling mockery and ridicule because he cannot win a fair fight on the strength of his ideas, seeing that his ideas are, upon closer scrutiny, corrupt and demonic.
It's only natural that his tactics would be the same: corrupt and demonic.
I'll leave the (n) in there for all to see. It's uncharacteristic of an honest, civil criticism. But it points at the truth. Think of it every time you see the R word in a mangled, misshapen, misspelled form. And look into the windows of the hearts who write that way.
From a simple observation of the words posted in these forums, it so very clearly is true that the Democrat is so very much more often more likely than any other brand of human creature, to be an evil, domineering, self-righteous snake--the union stooge with a baseball bat who doesn't play baseball, the abortion "doctor" who takes life, never saves it, the lesbian teacher encouraging her students to disspate themselves with perversions of their natural biology and to believe the lie that gender is a matter of "choice," at least, that is, whenever it is not a matter of "born that way."
And whenever you look at a Democrat, see the man with the keys to the gulag and the concentration camp. Because this is where that kind of identity always leads.
The plain truth is right before your face. History is the evidence.
Well John,you're right about one thing...you're not a Republican.
I doubt even they would have such a misanthropic,lying,sick individual as one who could post the hateful puss you did.
Get some help sir. You are in dire need of it.
I disagree kenny, someone like him is right up their alley, hell I'm sure hed be offered a job at fox news for a post like that. Then again hes prolly just a troll, maybe an intern paid to come troll this topic. Who knows? in either case hes definitely a troll. "It is the Democrat that murders the unborn, that perverts marriage, that enforces his own ideology upon others, that demonizes his opponent, hurling mockery and ridicule because he cannot win a fair fight on the strength of his ideas, seeing that his ideas are, upon closer scrutiny, corrupt and demonic." thats my favorite bit. I love when republicans especially crazy ones get all hypocritical lmao. What a load of crap how are you going to say dems do that in the very same statement that you a republican are using those very same tactics against dems? I guess your basically telling everyone that you have no idea what you are talking about so you are using insults because your own arguments have no strength and merit. Who was your teacher? Newt Gingrich? hell I wouldn't doubt it if you worked for him lmao. Ah get a life dude and learn how to use the internet so you can actually do some real fact checking for once in your life.
Mr Anon; [My thoughts on why Reagan's plan did not work] Reagan was A good leader, and he wanted the country to move ahead, He wanted the wealth to trickle down that did not happen because of greed, and power! when the wealthy saw how much more profit they could make overseas they took advantage of it, the biggest cost to business in most cases is labor; when you reduce the cost of labor, you make more profits; people in business do not think like Reagan wanted, they do not just give someone more money, if the demand is there and they are making profits, they will pay more, but seldom will just volunteer to give a person more if they can work them for less!
then automation , robots, took some jobs etc. hiring illegal workers who work for less, along with no regulations, the mortgage frauds, etc. over the years Reagan became a name that was used to rally the troops, when anyone complained about the longer hours, and less money, inflation took some more, then when the collapse came, everyone was sorry, and promised they would change, as they fought against any change that the President tried to bring about, If Regan would have stayed in office it might have worked, but I doubt that ! among other things, !!!
Outlaw,
You like others seem to live in some alternate reality. If you make less than 100k your taxes have gone down under this president. If you have a 401k it has been rescued from one full blown market crash and 3 medium crashes under Bush II and another full blown Bush I crash precipitated by Reagans economic policies of deregulation and market corruption. Almosts everyones economic interests were served by rescuing the American auto industry from collapse. You should feel safer knowing Bin Laden and Quadaffi are dead and just last night Seals rescued an American hostage, something the previous administration never had either the balls nor the desire to attempt.
jkh
No, Kenny, John is not a Republican; they are way too far to the left for him.
Only if it is a democrat!
Mitch Daniels, the architect of the mess we're in, is given the nod to speak in lieu of anyone from the GOP-controlled Congress. Can't believe they'd stoop lower by bypassing one of their do-nothing GOP congress-persons to have this guy who divided Indiana speak.
Another snake-in-the-grass like Walker from Wisconsin. Both put in position by the Koch bros. This is the best the GOP has? No wonder we're in the mess we're in and the GOP is facing extinction.
Grave indeed. RECALL WALKER WISCONSIN!!!!!!!!!
I agree the Repubs have driven us off the cliff vis a vis unpaid for wars we had no business being in, tax breaks for wealthy, etc. The wealthy are not job creators. Small business is the real job creator in this country and they are floundering, for the most part, due to the stinky economy.
I also agree the Dems have to stop the handouts to people who truly do not need them. Why should any citizen be collecting any type of public assistance before THEY HAVE EXHAUSTED ALL OF THEIR OWN RESOURCES, including bank accounts, investment accounts and assets and property of all kinds. As long as they maintain their investments and assets, they are not TRULY NEEDY.
Anybody who is out looking for a handout should re-examine their own motives. Why should your neighbor support you when you have not done all you can FOR YOURSELF, FIRST?
Mitch Daniels was hired, and resigned, within Bush's first term. To vilify him as the creator of the economic crisis we are mired in is a flat out lie - perpetuated by partisan leftists on MSNBC.
Please look up all that has been accomplished in Indiana over the last 5 years before automatically hating the man because you saw an "R" behind his name.
I believe there are good people on both sides of the aisle. Mitch Daniels is one of those good people, if you would only take the time to look at him with both eyes open, and with the hyper-partisan glasses removed.
It is a shame this guy didn't run for the Republican nomination for President. He is a wonderful leader who tries to find the middle ground - but understandably, he is a Republican and his efforts lean that direction. But watering down his own efforts to try to see all citizens' views are a strong point of his.
I've sat here and read many pro Obama and anti- Republican rhetoric. It's interesting how a great job Obama has done dividing this nation. He's done one hell of a job of that. Yet the question I ask myself. Am I better off then I was three years ago. Well no I am not. In fact I am worse off then I ever was under either President Clinton with a Republican Controlled House which BTW did balance the budget 4 times and gave then President Clinton the surplus all you Democrats are so quick to point out that Bush and his Democratically Controlled Congress spent it all. Well during their Presidencies I will say this. I was making for the first time ever in my career in Automotive Sales over 120k a year. Yes I paid more than 40% of my annual income to taxes. Then three years ago the housing and auto industry in this nation took a turn for the worse.The two leading indicators to our Nations Economic health. I lost my job and went for almost two years unemployed. I did not get 99 weeks like most states gave. I only got 72 weeks of benefits. Then I went without a income for several months when I finally landed a job managing apartments for rent and a small salary of $238 a month. Oh yea did I mention I am also for the first time ever since I was a child, collecting Food Stamps. The last time I ever used Food Stamps, my mom was a single mother of three boys and had to receive Food Stamps in order to make ends meet. Since cleaning houses was not making enough to support us boys. Yea thank you Mr. Obama for bringing back my childhood memories of using Food Stamps. So yea I think Obama is doing a fine job. NOT! So this is what we have in store in the USA. More people on TANF, SNAP, Unemployment etc. That truly insures a voter base. Although this voter is not selling his vote for Food Stamps. I will take a better paying job anytime. It truly seems as though at least the GOP had me working during their control of our spending.
SteveLW #1.14,
"... this economy they created ..."
Who are you referring to?
The roots of this economic situation started during WJC's watch.
Brooksley Born saw the pending problem, attempted to prevent it, and was "trashed" by WJC's economic team. Just follow the link to Frontline's investigation.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/ .
Over 80% of Congress is made up of the House of Representatives, which the Pukes control.
So Daniels, you dumazz, the House of Representatives has an 8% approval rating.
To sum it up Mr. Daniels, YOU SUCK!
In the words of Michael Steele "Okay, our bad. We get it now."
Honest. Trust us. We're fiscal conservatives who want to make the tax codes "fair" now. -wink-
Rod, CONGRESS has an 8% approval-that includes Harry Reid's "Party of No" Senate.
To sum it up, Daniels is right and it is Obama who "sucks", to borrow from your smart liberal vocabulary.
Obama started his term by telling Republicans (who were in a super-minority) that he would beat them. The country took the keys from the liberals in 2010 because of their over reach-Obamacare, unstimulating stimulus and green energy wastefullness.
@JesseG
I prefer to follow President Obama's lead and hope fairness and sanity will someday win out over greed
I've learned that "hope" is not a plan.
Nerm I wanted to make sure I heard you right, A business should exist to pay its employees a living wage at no profit to the investors or the owners?
I love watching your two sides duke it out. It's so ridiculous and the reason why the establishment is able to get away with what they're able to get away with on a regular basis. And then, when somebody comes and and actually speaks reason, he gets ignored.
"mygirl1
Oh please, both parties are full of @!$%# and you all can't seem to figure that out. Obama gives the same speech with some good points that should be taken into consideration, esssentially points that republicans have been fussing over, and they ignore those parts. Then you have Obama essentially rehashing the same talking points with the Dream Act, tax the rich, bad banks, bad former republican predecessor.
Face it, there are two very divergent ideologies at war here. Can we survive the battles of the extremists? Where is the middle road, where is the person who can lead from the middle? It ain't Obama, much of what he said tonight was a repeat of previous speeches (altho I applaud his talking about no more bail-outs, ever, we really, truly do need that) and not much to talk about with the crop of republicans running for office either."
The 1%ers that control both parties through lobbying (legal bribing) keep the people from noticing the real root of the problems of this country through a technique called "DIVIDE AND CONQUER." And these forums are a great way to sit back, eat some popcorn, and take a look at how well they've collectively done.
Pick the puppet on the right or the puppet on the left.
Anon,
Reaganomics didn't work because it was based on an economic theory called the "Laffer Curve", which has long since been debunked.
Republicans don't pay attention, so have failed to catch on and continue to believe in the "impossible"! Got to give them credit for trying. Ultimately I don't want my tax dollars spent on pipe dreams, so not buying their message.
Nerm L: You said:
NOUN
1.
classless political system: the political theory or system in which all property and wealth is owned in a classless society by all the members of that society
I followed up your comment with the definition of "COMMUNISM". Read your comment, then the definition. Are you saying we should be communist?
Also, Why would an investor start a business if they knew they could not profit any more than the entry level mailroom guy? What incentive would there be for investment? Another point is this, I work for a company that required a billion dollars to start up. No one person had that capital. It took many investors (shareholders) to pool those resources. Those investors exist only on paper and have NOTHING to do with the daily operations, yet their money was essential to put a few thousand people to work. How does this fit with your arguments?????
The repugnicans will squeal like pigs in a slaughter house come this November!
Swaord and Pen post 1.48
After reading your post I do not find how you could place blame of President Obama; while I feel for your current position, you might want to thank President Obama for pushing to protect against situations such as what happened to you.
If the Republicans were in charge you would have received 26 weeks of un-emplyment.
If the Republicans are successful they will eliminate food stamps.
He recognized that quite of few people needed help and fought the Republicans to protect your interest.
BTW 40% in taxes doesn't sound correct and you may have considered putting away a few bucks from the 120k.....just in case.
To OUTLAW:
Could you please provide some facts and/or statistics that prove your point? What exactly has President Obama taken from you or your wife. My taxes are actually lower than they have been in the past 10 years are you telling me that President Obama took your money and gave it to me? I would really be interested in reading what FACTS you can provide.
Tmyke, not a good start.
You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
The State of the Union was one of the worst, and least inspiring speeches that I have ever heard him give...until it is compared to the GOP's pathetic attempt at a response.
Given a choice between Obama's cautious optimism and the GOP's continued agenda of fear, I will choose Obama at his worst over the best that the GOP has to offer.
@jollyoldsoul1 - #1.54
@concernedone - #1.57
Are you guys familiar with a company named Goodwill Industries? Goodwill Industries is NOT a charity - it is a non-profit business. Goodwill Industries has been under fire over recent years because their CEOs earn as much as $1 million per year. Goodwill Industries operates under capitalism - does create jobs - and does distribute the wealth created by those jobs back to the workers. There is not any economic rule that requires a company to generate profits to be successful.
http://business-law.freeadvice.com/business-law/corporations/non_profit_corporation.htm
http://www.entrepreneur.com/encyclopedia/term/82592.html
http://www.usa.gov/Business/Nonprofit.shtml
Capitalism - as espoused by Thomas Jefferson and the other founders - is about creating wealth - by combining the natural abundance of the universe with human labor and intellect to create something of greater value. A house is worth more than a pile of lumber because a carpenter assembled the lumber into something of greater value. The carpenter is the wealth creator.
If an 'investor' gives the carpenter a hammer - how much of the carpenter's created wealth is the investor entitled to receive? What has the investor really contributed to the creation of wealth? If the investor rigs the game so that hammers can only be acquired from investors - has the investor subverted the intent of American capitalism?
Investors only make money by redistributing wealth created by the work of others. Wealth cannot be created without work - capital does not create wealth. A business with all the capital it could need - will fail - if there is no one to invest work into the business ...
Capitalism needs WORKERS more than it needs investors. It is possible to walk naked into the wilderness and create wealth for yourself. Capitalism rewards WORK - not risk.
Investors are quite simply pirates - financial parasites - that use profit models to redistribute wealth created by someone else's work. Our 'free enterprise' - 'free market' - system of justifying redistribution of wealth is un-American ...
@ Sword and Pen..........Psst! The Housing Foreclosure Crisis started in 2006-07, the first Bank Bail Out was September 2008.......the bail out of AIG, Lehman along with a host of others was Sept 2008......Obama was sworn in in January of 2009, Do your study and math!
You spent waaay too much time selling the last orders instead of watching the tsunami that was headed your way!!
But please do not investigate how much money was spent on Iraq and Afghanistan from 2002-08 would not want you to have to face reality!
Nerm_L.......watch it, talk like yours which entales Logic will be quickly misunderstood by the NEO sector as Socialism!!
I have had many an encounter with ones who quickly smack Barnie Frank and other Democrtatic leaders for the shoddy lending practices that have led to this mess....but admit that they picked up property before hand and sold it at 5 times its original value!
They have money and planned well.....blah...blah.....blah, when fact is they took what they could and now critisize those that made their fortunes possible??
Gotta love the talk "This Country is going down!!" Help! Help!! I have fallen and can't get up!! Well, then just purchace you Clap On Clap Off Republican Saviour Device and recieve for no further expense the lifetime of convoluted facts the GOP would hand out along with your special First Edition of "My Tea Party by the Rio Grand"!!
Hurry now before the Fear wears off!!
Call: 1-800-GOP-LOST
One last factual parody......when Obama first won in 2008 I had many Republican Disenchanted say things like "He is a socialist! He will turn this county into a socialist societ".....[Reel the years forward].....now those same fools say "This country can't take 4 more years of Obama he will turn it into Socialism"!
Anyone see the fun here?? Obama has not turned the US into a Socialist State after 4 years....but surely after 8??
On a serious note: Bush's downfall was in 2006 the Dems won control of the house [so my hardheaded misinformed Rep's would say], but when the GOP took the House in 2010 they jumped with joy....................???
Truth Time: Since 2010 the GOP control in the House has been used for nothing more than keeping the American People and Economy at Bay so the GOP could immass enough negativity to hopefully win the White House back in 2012 and still bring NOTHING TO THE TABLE!!
Romney?? Are you Kidding?? He could not beat McCain in 2008 even after John's campaign went belly up half way through the Primaries!!!
Strike Two Mitt!!!
I live in Indiana and I wouldn't let Mitch Daniels walk my dog without supervision. BTW Mitch that comb over isn't fooling anyone! You got two hairs left on that rock like dome of yours and your "stylist" should tell you so.
Rico 111 - You say:
I have to get back to work so I don't have time to get you some links, but Google something like house bill passed by house that are sitting (or dead) in the senate...
The house has been extraordinarily busy. Problem is, as Mitch Daniels brought up last night, those bills pertaining to everything from energy to social security will not even be sent to committee by Harry Reid because they do not mesh with the democratic agenda. Good ideas put forth by ELECTED officials & all the left can say is "obstructionist", or "terrorists holding us hostage", or "party of NO", etc...
YOUR president has divided this nation in a way not seen in my lifetime. Hell, I voted for the guy because I was disgusted with what Bush & the republicans had turned to. Turns out, I voted in a guy that beats them all. I bought the "hope" crap & got burned. He has polarized Washington instead of uniting a nation. Even in his speech last night, he fired off ACCUSATIONS and used smoke and mirrors to say how he was right and the right was wrong. MY president should be a cheerleader and find waysto work with a split government. YOUR president has said 'it's my way, or no way'.
@concernedone -- Did you look at any of those Republican House bills? This is Eric Cantor's web site that lists some of the Republican 'accomplishments' during 2011.
http://majorityleader.gov/JobsTracker/
Here is a description of some of those bills -
•H.R. 872 - Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act of 2011 - prohibits states from requiring permits to discharge pesticides into waterways.
•H.R. 910 - Energy Tax Prevention Act of 2011 - prohibits EPA from regulating greenhouse gases.
•H.R. 2587 - prohibits the NLRB from ordering an employer to close, relocate, or transfer employment under any circumstances. (Moot - Boeing and the union settled - without this legislation.)
•H.R. 1315 - Consumer Financial Protection Safety and Soundness Improvement Act of 2011 - amends sec. 1023 of the Frank-Dodd Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act to create a five member commission to perform the duties of the act.
•H.R. 1230 - Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act - To require the Secretary of the Interior to conduct certain offshore oil and gas lease sales, and for other purposes. Focused on leases in the Gulf of Mexico and offshore Virginia. DOD has voiced opposition to the Virginia leases.
•H.R. 1229 - Putting the Gulf of Mexico Back to Work Act - To amend the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act to facilitate the safe and timely production of American energy resources from the Gulf of Mexico, to require the Secretary of the Interior to conduct certain offshore oil and gas lease sales, and for other purposes.
•H.R. 1231 - Reversing President Obama’s Offshore Moratorium Act - To amend the Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act to require that each 5-year offshore oil and gas leasing program offer leasing in the areas with the most prospective oil and gas resources, to establish a domestic oil and natural gas production goal, and for other purposes.
•H.R. 2021 - The Jobs and Energy Permitting Act of 2011 - To amend the Clean Air Act regarding air pollution from Outer Continental Shelf activities.
•H.R. 1938 - North American-Made Energy Security Act - To direct the President to expedite the consideration and approval of the construction and operation of the Keystone XL oil pipeline, and for other purposes.
All the 'oil in the Gulf' bills are moot because Dept. of Interior has begun auctioning leases again - without any Republican legislation. The Republican House apparently was attempting to take credit for actions that were scheduled to happen anyway.
Of course this list does not contain some of the major accomplishments of the Republican House -
- threatened government shutdown
- threatened default on sovereign debt
- obstruction of tax cuts
- failure to find a path to responsible budget cuts
- authorization of deficit spending
Any Republican trying to run on a list of 'accomplishments' will have a difficult time. That is why the Republican Presidential candidates are avoiding any discussion of government policy. There is no foundation upon which to build a Republican argument - so - the only thing left is to attack each other's character and past records - and - construct a narrative of 'doom, gloom, and failure' such as Mitch Daniels presented.
(ir)rational bent - Obama did not have a super majority during the first two years of his presidency. In 2009 there were 58 dems, in 2010 there were 57. You need 60 for a super majority, otherwise you get filibustered. It's a little too soon to be attempting to re-write that particular bit of history by lying about this, even for you.
Ok I will keep it simple.
@ Concernedome are you delusional. Obama didn't initiate activities resulting in dividing this country. I had the great fortune to be in Washington during a teaparty rally back in August 2009. Thus, I went to personally witness if what I heard about them was true. The ugly, nasty, disgusting lanuage used in speeches and on signs I witness against the President and the democratic congress were unimaginable. I mean I would understand if there were just a few fringe hate mongers but by what I witnessed over half fit this category. I think it was the Black democratic Senator from SC that came on to the capitol steps; they began to call him ever kind of N-word in the book. Signs with Obama as Hitler or a Monkey all over the place were again unimaginable. The GOP congressmen who spoke at the rally did not do anything to address their behavior, but more or less seemed to egg them on. Let's no forget the ridiculous rhetoric from the likes of Rush Limbaugh.
Pamela : Everyone, especially the media, waltzes around what is really happening here. No doubt that many Repubs. are racially motivated. Core is trailer trash, guns and pickup crowd, deep south farmers, and leading the group ,elitist Repubs. No one want to say it, no one even wants to surface it, but if we listen to what is said and the actions it is very obvious. Sad part. O'Bomber, is a lot smarter, and twice the man most of these people could ever hope to be.
Emil
@concernerdone, let's not forget the inaugural attack on labor by the government with the firing of the air traffic controllers and the harboring of government crooks like Oliver North. No, divisiveness will be measured against Ronald Reagan and at this point Obama is about a Reagan-90.
Nerm L - what were the dates on those bills Gulf you talk about. Yes, the fed is NOW acting on some of the items, but the legislation saw passed through the house a long time ago...
The cup is not only half full, it is also half empty. The entire story must be told! And what the heck are you talking about "the Republican Presidential candidates are avoiding any discussion of government policy"? Have you watched the 20 or so debates held so far. Who did not answer a direct question? Perry screwed up a couple times, but he isn't around any more... Which of the final 4 avoided a question of government by a moderator? If you say it 100 more times, it will become truth... Also
Two things here... The Tea Party IS resopnsible for holding back some common sense measures. But the rest of the right believes YOU are wrong and have this country moving in the wrong direction. YOUR president says it has to be his way or no way. He is forced into it by the larger "party" directives. The president is a puppet - a front man for the party. It has been true nearly 100% of my life - regardless of party! If you've been around very long, you will have to admit it to be true!!!
There is a story floating around MSNBC today about the austerity measures and their affect on the people of Greece. I just talked with a man today whose son lived in Greece for 7 years. He married a girl from Greece. 5 years ago they sold all they had and moved back to the United States. They said they could see the obvious signs of failure on the wall. He said the thing that scares the hell out of them today is they are seeing the exact same things in our government that has led to the situation in Greece.
There are a few things you left off your list:
-Guantanimo Bay is still open.
-Obama has extended the Bush era tax cuts.
-Obama has extended the Patriot Act.
-A real accomplishment - Obama did pull our troops out of Iraq as negotiated between the new Iraqi government and George Bush!
Finally, your assertion that I got my info from Eric Cantor's web page is false. I just Googled it and at least a dozen stories came up from various sources. Those dozen were on the first search page, I didn't hit the "next" button to see how many more were out there.
Peace Man - I'm out of here!
Pamela - Gotta reply, then I have to go... I work with many people in my office. Two of them are Tea party enthusiasts. They were at that same rally. I can't say because I wasn't there, but I just talked to one of them and he says you are a liar. He said nothing like that went on. He said their whole point was to show civility, and (for the two of them anyway) let their Christian light shine while standing in opposition to the direction of politics.
Not my words, but those of someone else who was at the rally...
Don't you guys get it??? Your party is as much to blame as anyone. We all fight each other instead of the true enemy. Someone said yesterday - and I know I will butcher it - 'I have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us'.
Folks, you and I have to get together and promote unity. You and I have to find enough common ground to get along. Will neither side be happy until bullets start flying? How far do you want to push before you will consider the other side of the aisle? We don't have to hug at the end of the day, but we have to find a way to cooperate or we are screwed!
Oh yeah! We really want the party of No to rescue us - since they are mostly to blame for the mess we are in now. Both parties are to blame but more the GOP since they have blocked each and every effort to make things better. Pretty sure we don't want any more "help" from the GOP or the country will completely fail!
@concernedone, funny how your concern centers around liberals compromising and reaching across the aisle to work with conservatives. Yet it is the conservatives who continue to divide the country along lines of religion, sexual orientation, moral beliefs relative to science, medicine and criminal justice, income, race and nationality. I'm sorry, but these days it is uniquely progressive to desire to include everyone and it is the conservative who wants all others to be like them or be excluded. If you want compromise then get real about it or get ready for the backlash.
Concernedome, do you actually think that a teaparty member will confess to participating in such vulgar behavior to a co-worker? It was a healthcare reform rally. I remember it well as I met one reasonable man and we sat on a half wall at the Indian Museum, and I used my blackberry to go to OPM.gov to show him the salaries of federal executives because he said they make more money than healthcare executives--go figure. Just one of the many outliars rwnuts believe. Just googled to find an article about the rally but they didnt go back that far, but in the meantime I found articles when these nuts spit on a black congressman plus called him a @!$%# in March 2010. The only reference to the 8/2009 rally I could find is It appears that when these idiot realized they were not going to get what they wanted or kill the bill so they became nastier by March 2010 and even spit on a congressman as well as call hin a @!$%#.
His speech (what i bothered watching before i couldn't take it anymore) CRACKED me up!
How Obama said no to a "perfectly safe pipeline" - so it's safe just cuz you guys say so? That makes me feel better, let's go for it!
"No feature of the Obama Presidency has been sadder than its constant efforts to divide us, to curry favor with some Americans by castigating others." WOW - so if Obama's message of working together is divisive, what do you call what the Republicans have been doing?
Ron Paul is a bit long in the tooth - but he should definitely replace Geithner as Treasury Secretary if nothing else
Funny that concerned suddenly works with someone who was at the very rally Pamela was at. yet Pamela didn't give the exacte date of said rally only the month an year year. Oh yea that's right, the TP only heald rallies once a month. LMAO Epic fail! AGAIN!
Oh Concernedom, I forgot to mention that it is obvious you don't know what austerity measures mean. Stop listening to talk radio and read. Austerity measures implemented by European countries is exactly what the GOP proposed, cutting government costs and in some cases reducing taxes. As the Greek lady you spoke to indicated, when these measures were implemented things got drastically worse. The UK who led the pac is also having contractions in GDP growth and an increase in unemployment. Looks like they are headed to a double dipped recession. The US on the other hand who implemented a stimulus gdp has been growing for over two years and currently at the same rate that it was during most of the Bush admin. Also, there are constant decreases in unemployment. Now those dummies in Europe are talking about stimulus. Unfortunately, their mistakes are pulling down the rest of the world's economy, and I think we would have had better growth if they would have taken our recommendation to implement a stimulus. Guess Obama knew what he was doing after all LOL. Boy you got to love it, the proof is in the pudding. LMAO
Yes, LOL Sally I think concernedom is either delusional or a liar. What really cracked me up the dummy thought austerity measures meant a stimulus. Dummy didnt realize that the comments from the Greek woman he quoted would support Obama's handling of the economy. They are just parrots repeating what they hear and dont have a clue.
Actually Daniels is somewhat correct. Since President Obama was elected the republicans have been trying with all their might to put the President, the poor and middle class in their graves. These purveyors of the political macabre have spent their terms digging and refilling graves under the direction of Grover Norquist, the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdock, until they are aware only of nether-world existence. Fact, republicans have become quite expert and proponets of all things nethermost. Daniels looked and sounded like a goddamn gloomy ghoul!
Actually Daniels is somewhat correct. Since President Obama was elected the republicans have been trying with all their might to put the President, the poor and middle class in their graves. These purveyors of the political macabre have spent their terms digging and refilling graves under the direction of Grover Norquist, the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdock, until they are aware only of nether-world existence. Fact, republicans have become quite expert and proponets of all things nethermost. Daniels looked and sounded like a goddamn gloomy ghoul!
Batlacit
The problem is that congress spends money to get re-elected. People vote for the representative that will get them some of that money.
The solution is to limit what congress can spend on.
Sorry about the double post. I enjoy the vine, but the program is all to hell too often.
Sorry about the double post. I enjoy the vine, but the program is all to hell too often. I,m trying to post this now and I'll bet it's going to do it again. Grin and bear it I guess.
All right, Daniels. You say that Obama is dividing America, even though he has tried to COMPROMISE with half-ass idiots like you. I got a plan to HELP America. And I hope people will find it and send it to their leaders.
1. Deficit Reduction Package over 12 years:
2. Economic Plan (paid for by a 4% surtax on people who make over $1 million).
3. Reform Government.
I know it's a bit long but that is it. Please comment on it and send your suggestions.
OBAMA BIDEN 2012
KICK THE GOP'S ASS 2012
I like it. Thanks
That is a very convenient position you've got there. It's so easy to be right when you don't have any plan yourself.
@Cornered.......The Republican Controlled House has done nothing to save the simple people of this country and polls yesterday show even Republicans agree.....
Now for division of this Nation, you need to go back and look at the Historic 2000 Presidential Election and the Florida Voting Recount, that is where this country divided!! 50/50, Gore won the popular vote across the country and lost Florida by strong arm tactics from High Level Republican Pressure and and inept Cahterine Harris.
Obama has done nothing to further divide a country WAR TORN under Bush, not one thing, only thing the Republican Party has done from the onset has been block and vote anything the president pushed for and even Congressmen have come out into the press back in 2009 and said so.....Google the Facts!
Its interesting that so many republicans claim that Obama has caused all the problems this country is facing..yet..Bush, a republican got most of this mess started....and not one republican tried to stop him from making the blunders he made....no, they all blame Obama for them all. Would like to know just what bills have passed by the republicans that might have helped this nation in any way ? From what I have read...they voted down everything, even when some of the items were their ideas to begin with. This has all been just to beat Obama this time round...never mind the state of the nation they helped to bring about. What we really need is a full house cleaning...get rid of them all...every politican in washington that is in either house of congress.
The state of the GOP is "grave", not the country.
Strange, I recall that SOPA and NDAA had bi-partisan support.
Is the fight against online piracy really the gravest concern facing our nation?
After all that humming and hawing over the Patriot Act, (most) of the idiot Dems pass the NDAA?
You've been lied to for far too long.
Right on. Most Dem voters are drinking Koolaids and cant accept the truth facts that Obama said one thing but turn his back after done the speech and compaign. He aint going to rescue those little pple but his own buddies who donate $$$ to his compaign funds - Solyndra and GE are sample of his work.
Christine needs to get off the computer and work on a GED. It will take a long time but it will be worth it. English is a wonderful language.
The GOP is a party looking for a constituency to prop up their real constituency of about 3 million American out of 300 million. They've co-opted just about every fringe group there is, and it turns out, they new kids coming up aren't as stupid as they hoped NCLB would make them. The desperate flailing is almost comical.
The state of the nation is, "grave," but the GOP are here to rescue it. Does anyone's memory go back 5 years? GOP policies put the US in the toilet in the first place, and GOP obstructionism has been holding the lid down so we can't climb out, but even that can't keep us totally out. Boener looked like he was about to pass out when the President pointed out that 3 million of the 4 million jobs lost on his watch before the stimulus kicked in have come back. The stimulus is long gone, but the jobs are still slowly coming back. How much faster would they come back if the GOP would just sh!t or get off the pot?
Anyone's memory stretch back 30 years? Mine does. I remember R.R. promising to lower taxes. He did. The economy got worse. He did finally get the point, and raised taxes 12 times. Low and behold, it recovered. Reaganomics was a joke from day one, and we are still paying for some of it's funnier parts.
The GOP to the rescue. That's like calling the robber back to protect the store after he's knocked the glass out of the door.
christine-3211348 is right on the money. whatever her grammar skills may be, she knows her history and political science well. to criticize her over grammar is a poor attack method, when nothing better avails itself. for shame!
Christine is one of those people the President wants to go back to college and learn how to spell and write. She's the reason the Chinese and Indians are beating us up in education.
un·ion/ˈyunyən
noun
1. the act of uniting two or more things.
2. the state of being united.
3. something formed by uniting two or more things; combination.
4. a number of persons, states, etc., joined or associated together for some common purpose: student union; credit union.
5. a group of states or nations united into one political body, as that of the American colonies at the time of the revolution, that of England and Scotland in 1707, or that of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801.
(definition courtesy of dictionary.com"
First off, my comment probably has less to do about the State Of The Union "speeches" last night and more with the way I see the actual state of the "Union". My first recollections of the State of The Union addresses was how the family waited around a small screen black and white television to see the President actually speak to the nation in what seemed to be a one on one basis. No matter how tough things were at the time, he always seemed to be able easy our minds and make us allproud to be an American. I read alot of news coverage on-line via electronic news media from multiple sources, so I am given the opportunity to also read a variety of comments left by other readers. Hence, the definition above.
I hardly think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that I have seen quite a bit of divisiveness in this country on a first hand basis. But after reading the comments left on multiple sites, the last thing in the world any Presidential address should be called is an address to "The Union". Disagreeing about what ever political party is "in power" is one thing, but when something that changes (or does it really???) every 2 -4 year cycle whips people into such an irrational frenzy, is the address really to OUR Union? It is a horrible thing to say, but the last time this country was even close to being "united", was after the attacks on the World Trade Center in 2001. Maybe the reason there have been no other major attacks against our Great Nation is that terrorists don't feel attacks are neccessary.
They probably read the same comments I do.
Thanks theCavalier for telling it like it is.....
Thanks Viet Vet, I have met the enemy and he is us.
Where do the Rethuglicans find all their idiots?
Daniels painted a dark portrait of the nation's fiscal and economic situation, blaming Obama for the struggling economy, while promoting the Republican agenda as the best alternative to Obama and Democrats
...As if we were expecting those people to say anything positive. Republicans can't listen to anybody but themselves. They are really the party of NO. Their agenda took us right down the cliff for 8 years. When are they going to accept that fact? They want to undo everything positive that President Obama has done.
Blaming the cesspool that we are in now is because of WARS. They want to take us right back to that path folks...and take away any protection nets for the old and disabled. They continue telling us they plan to run government like a "business" Isn't it the reason that most of us don't have decent health care? Is Congress run like a business? If Congress was run like a business, all those PARASITES would be FIRED by now.
Yeah and how many times are we going to hear how this one, or that one (GOP/DEMS "Going to save us" when in fact the only thing any of them care about is the bottom line. they bank account, not yours!
So tired of all the talk From all the Politicans. anain all of them GOP & DEMs
As a Hoosier, I can tell you that Daniels is a disaster for the state of Indiana- he has done everything he can to destroy education and a fair wage for workers.
Other than a few glitzy enclaves around Indianapolis, where his CEO friends live, the entire state's infrastrucure is crumbling, and the school system is being dismantled.
My tax dollars are being spent to make India-NO-place look good for the Super Bowl, while the rest of the State struggles to keep the lights on- he is filth.
The Republicans are going to save us by returning to the same ideology that got us into this mess in the first place?
No thanks.
Right you are..this guy is a tragedy...the one sure thing that is GRAVE in this country is the one the Republicans are trying to dig to put the middle class in.
The party of NO is at it again,
If it’s not threatening to obstruct unemployment benefits for people out of work caused by their economic policies over the eight years of the Bush debacle, it was their opposition to the Economic Recovery Act, or Health Insurance Reform, or Cash for Clunkers or the Credit Card Holders Bill of Rights than it’s their desire to destroy Social Security, or their lying about WMD, or death panels all the while giving their rich, corporate, puppet masters obscene tax breaks. By the time the GOPee gets done there will be a rich 1% and the middle class will look like refugees in a third world country.
Sally in Chicago, you're good! Instead of attacking Christine's opinion, you attack her by making disparaging remarks about her.
Yea the GOP will fix it
Just like the radical nut job Tea Party promised to fix everything two years ago. They fixed it all right total and complete gridlock ending up as the worst Congress in history
The GOPee is going to save us LMAO!
I want obama to spend another 7 trillion and finish this country. We need a bankruptcy to shut these stupid obama lovers up permanently. You would think with 4 dollar gas, high unemployment and half the people losing their homes it would be enough. But I guess not, they need a real beating. Losers.
Blaming four dollar gas on Obama while the oil corporations show billions in profits is a jolly joke.
London, i am also a hoosier and watched Daniels take a state in deficit in the red and put it fiscally back in theblack so i imagine you just don't like him for whatever reason, most likely politics.
All you party of no people, do you realize the senate hasn't passed a budget in over a 1000 days. Well over a dozen bills now sit on Reid's desk with ZERO action. Just tabled them. Not brought up for discussion, ammendments (which they could add whatever they want with majority) or for any votes. This includes the time frame when the super majority existed, so you can't rail "republican obstructionism".
And the people that yell tax rates ...... if we would DOUBLE the tax rates of everyone we would still be close to a $500 BILLION deficit. You could liquidate every cent of every Billionaire in this country (Gates, Buffett etc.) and you still cuoldn't close the 1.5 Trillion deficit BO is spending every year. It amazes me people can't see (or refuse to admit for political reasons????) that the biggest problem we have is a government that is waaaaay out of control with spending.
Also ....going back to the 39.6 rate would bring in maybe $40 Billion. Then instead of a 1.5 Trillion deficit we have a 1.46 Trillion deficit. Then what?
A lot of tired and worn out talk here. There are way too many people, on both sides of the aisle, looking to government as the solution for all of our problems. Frankly, the government is the main source of most of our problems. Look at the loss and waste over the last 50 years on war. Other than possibly the first Gulf War, the last necessary war was WW II. We spent trillions on wars - and BOTH parties were responsible. We have spent and committed untold trillions to the Social Security ponzi scheme - thank you FDR - that is doomed to fail. Medicare, Medicaid - more trillions. All of the unneccessary and redundant federal agencies - more trillions. Welfare, food stamps - more trillions. What has any of this solved? Nothing. Government cannot solve our problems. We can solve our problems. Our federal government should be cut in half immediately and all the wasted tax dollars should be returned to us and used to at least partially fund Social Security so that the promises that were made can be kept. Then that worthless ponzi scheme should be replaced. I for one am tired of the damn government trying to "help" me and "take care of me". I can do that just fine on my own. Unfortunately, it seems that many of you don't share that view. In one way or another you want these clowns in Washington to do that for you. That's a sad situation for a nation that was built on individual resourcefullness.
BigATC - I am also a Hoosier who agrees with you. London is definitely in the minority, but has a valid opinion and is entitled to it. One of the great parts of the United States.
One point I don't agree with was your point of "dozens" of bills that died in the senate. There have actually been HUNDREDS. The Republican congress has been quite busy. Hundreds of bills passed through to the senate, but weren't even allowed to move to committee because the speaker gets to decide which bills to consider. Harry Reid IS the great obstructionist - doing the will of his party (as per Obama). Nothing gets done, then these same bull crap artists say the Republicans are the party of NO. They deny action, then blame the other guy................???????????
One other point about taxes. I personally have no problem with raising some taxes - like capital gains, back to where they were once before. They were temporarily cut, but never returned to close to where they were. This is not a tax increase on the rich, it is a return to where they were once before. This would create SIGNIFICANT revenue.
The ones that got us into this mess said they are going to save us, "Hum" "Hum" All the GOP Tea Retards did was blame Obama for anything they did, that's saving us ? The American people are still waiting, what happen ??
The only thing the party of nasty wants to rescue is the Bush tax cuts after Obama does away with them. Oh yes, and take away women's rights. They don't like welfare but they want to do away with birth control. Does that make sense to anybody here? And they love to slash education.
Not a recipe for success. Just say "NO" to the Republican party.
Dwight D. Eisenhower was the Republican President who presided over the construction of the Interstate Highway system that virtually all Americans use.
It is a classic example of what government can and should do.
Mitch Daniels is a Republican governor who wanted to sell the Interstate Highways to foreign companies, so that for the rest of time, people traveling in Indiana could pay a user 'tax' to a foreign country. He wanted to give the proceeds of the sale to his wealthy benefaxctors in the form of "tax cuts". No taxes on rich people today, in exchange for generations of Americans paying taxes to foreign countries for decades and perhaps centuries to come. Selling what the American taxpayer has already paid for, in order to benefit a wealthy few.
It is a classic example of boneheaded mismanagement, and a sign of how low the GOP has sunk.
The American people are getting sick of the GOP and their tea retards blaming our President for the mess "W" got us in while they stoop by and watched jack a$$ "W" destroy our Economy and our Nation. What a joke, now they want to save us. Wake up America ???
Concernedone - be careful with agreeing to tax increases. They never stop and they keep going up. Since you are from Indiana, you should understand this. Remember the "temporary" wheel tax that was put in place about 30 years ago to fund road construction? It's still there. Remember the tax restructuring in 2002 when they reduced property taxes but increased sales tax from 5% to 6%? Then, four years later they realized that didnt' fix it either and had to raise it to 7%? It will soon go to 8% OR they will start raising income taxes or property taxes again. The government is like a black hole that sucks its people dry. Regarding capital gains - if they are going to tax them as ordinary income, then they should index the cost basis so you don't pay tax on inflationary gains. That's a big part of why the rate is lower. I don't have an issue with the Private Equity people paying ordinary tax on their gains, but that's an immaterial drop in the bucket. Government spending has to be cut drastically and immediately or we need only look to Europe for our future.
At one time, the GOP was the party of fiscal responsiblity.
No more!
In 2001, handed a federal budget surplus lare enough to have paid off the entire national debt by now, Republican politicians DELIBERATELY cut revenues, transfering over one MILLION DOLLARS to EVERY very wealthy family in America over the course of every eight years, boosted spending, and increased the federal bureaucracy.
In the process, they not only FAILED to pay off the national debt, they more than DOUBLED it, to the extent that nowadays, 25% out of every tax dollar goes to finance the interest! All so rich fat cats like Mitt Romney could get millions of dollars at the expense of future generations of Americans.
This ain't your grandpa's GOP!
Concernedone .... cap gains started a hundred years ago at 7%. Then spent quite a while at 12.5% The higher rates, i.e. 28%, over history is on the high end and not a majority of years.
Now take a look back 30 years at the last 4 changes to cap gains.
In '81 rates went from 28 to 20%. Revenue increased 4 fold until '86.
In 87 it was increased from 20% to 28%. More revenue? NO! Cap gains revenue was LOWER for the next 10 years than revenue taken in in 1986 before increase.
In 97 rates went from 28% back to 20%. Yes there was a Clinton tax cut nobody ever mentions. Revenues only then surpassed 1986 revenues.
In 2003 rates went from 20% to 15%. Revenues again took off. I believe doubled in 3 years.
In all 4 cases CBO estimated increased revenue when rates increased and estimated lower revenue when rates were lowered. In all 4 cases they were wrong. Because they use current static numbers, as mandated, and don't take into account behavior.
Numbers available at bureau of labor statistics.
Obama hit it out of the park and Mitch Daniels didn't help his party by portraying the state of America and the policies of the GOP as he did.
The distinctions couldn't be more clear as we go into the 2012 election cycle.
Obama and the Democrats: Cheerful / Optimistic / Forward thinking (our best days are ahead of us) / Representing the middle class and the 99%
The GOP: Angry / Pessimistic / Backward thinking (our best days are behind us) / Rpresenting the wealthy, corporations, and the 1%
Do you accept the facts that the economy, energy independence, crime, immigration crossings, and regulations have all seen significant improvements under Obama compared to the Bush years or do you refuse to accept reality because Talk Radio spins everything as a disaster that can only be corrected by removing Obama and believe that it's even possible to go backwards in time?
If Romney is the nominee, then it's Obama for the middle class and 99% versus Romney for the corporations and the 1%.
If Gingrich is the nominee, then it's Obama with a great America and a vision for a better future competing with other countries with new technology versus Gingrich under an America in its worst state and claiming we can somehow return to the nostalgic and better past while other countries move forward with the innovations.
It sure looks like the odds are heavily favoring the Democrats in the White House for the next term regardless of who wins the GOP primaries.
@wakeupamerica, where to begin: Government has its flaws but without it, millions of retirees would not make enough to live (thank you FDR), millions would have NO medical care, millions would not have an education, internet (countless other technologies) or jobs (who is our biggest employer?), you would not have a justice system, an interstate, on and on and on. Somethings, like health and national defense, cannot be left to the profit first focus of Capitalism, hence government, with the economies of scale, must take the lead.
At large:
A solution: public financing of campaigns thereby eliminating special interests (business, parties, et al) and opening the process up to the general public who can ill afford to run for office. All of this pandering to parties (these are trained debaters, aka Lawyers, who will try to convince you it is night while the Sun shines over their shoudler) is because they are a large source of campaign dollars. Remove the nipple and party (special interest) allegiance wanes and work can get done, like tax code and torte reform, etc, etc.
Reality check, Democracy is a frustrating process to watch. By its nature it is inefficient and difficult to get anything done, barring an emergency, which includes keeping the lunatic fringe (think Nazi Germany) out of power.
Lastly, we need to spend money to keep the economy moving. As the economy improves, revenues do as well and the deficit goes down (check your history, been there, done that).
Take care!
Commonsense ..... you forgot to mention the recession, dot com bubble, and 9/11 that happened in Bush's first year. Think any of that effected the economy? The surplus was barely a surplus and no way would have paid off the 5 Trillion deficit at the time.
Starting in 2004 the deficits went yearly from th 400's, to 300's to 200's to 155Billion in 2007 and were headed in the right direction. Until the real estate bubble popped startin 2007.
I will agree with you the 2000's spent too much for me. If you, like myself, rail against govt spending why do you not mention the current trillion and a half yearly deficit spending? BO has added as much debt in 3 years as the previous 8 years.
"Commonsense is Commonsense and I agree 100%" ........... #2.29
Mike-464493... If Obama represents the 99%, why is his job approval rating at 45%?
Yes, Mike. When I think of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi, I definitely think cheerful and optimistic. And Obama has done one thing very well - divide this nation. He is an angry man who knows the only way to succeed is to divide and conquer. He talks a good game about helping the middle class, but what has he done? How does he help them? The republicans are no better. They are parading a bunch of un-electible bozos before us, virtually guaranteeing four more years of hostility in Washington. The best thing this county could do is to vote out EVERY member of Congress that's been office for more than 10 years. We need to clean house on both sides of the aisle.
BTW, manufacturing is coming back to the U.S. in a big way. Talk to some engineers. I have several friends who are in various levels of engineering (mechanical, electrical, industrial, etc...).
They are all in real demand right now for retooling and setting up for domestic manufacturing. New college graduates with engineering degrees are getting very good starting offers all across the country. The new factories will be more high tech than the old ones and will require more workers with associate degrees instead of just high school diplomas so re-education at the Community College level may be a necessary investment both from private and public sources, but the jobs and decent pay are coming. This doesn't happen overnight and nothing was happening at all before the current administration came in, but those seeds are now starting to show results.
No kidding.
Ronald Reagan tripled the national debt in 8 short years.
George W. Bush more than doubled it. Not only that, the DAMAGE done by the Republican Party still has us reeling today. It wasn't because of 9/11, it was because of willful mismanagemet by a Republican Congress, abetted by a weak Executive who basically went along with any givwe away program for rich people that the idiots in Congress came up with.
The stock market was far worse when Bush left office than it was the day he was sworn in.
But Mitt Romney's kids have $100 million they did nothing to earn, and they haven't paid one PENNY in taxes on it. So I guess it's all okay. It's not the United States of America after all, it's the Disunited States Belonging to Rich Guys While the Rest of us Work and Pay Taxes.
Working TOGETHER, Democrats and Republicans crafted a SURPLUS.
Working ALONE, Republicans DESTROYED it.
The GOP and their Retards have become the Party for the 1%, Newt said at the "DEBATE" that the 1% should pay 0% in taxes, when the overwhelming majority of Americans ( 86% ) want the 1% to pay more. This prompts me to wonder what makes the GOP Tea ReTards tick ????????
Mike you are correct. Manufacture and design companies here can't fill engineering jobs in that industry. Good area if someone is starting a career. I am developing a product now and guy told me the costs to manufacture in China are rising and it is no longer the advantage it used to be with the added shipping and logistics cost.
Also there are more places using the new aluminum plates instead of steel. My steel quote was mid 30 thousands and aluminum one under 7 grand.
For ten years I considered myself a republican. In 1992 I took a job with a highly respected tax preparation firm. As I calculated ( this is before the availability of computer programs) taxes for Very wealthy and very poor clients, I began to become angry.
I realized that the very wealthy received tax breaks that caused them to pay less than the most hard working middle class members of my many clients.
This was not enough to change my mind about being a republican....until George Bush took office. I watched carefully the actions he took, and the decisions he made....because by then I had taken a part-time job at night as a newsradio talk show host.
George Bush made economic decisions that would benefit his and his cronies personal pockets. This was too much. I had already seen the differences in the percentage of tax paid by all segments of society.
Today, republicans who still stand by the former presidents policies......do so....because it saves their personal pockets millions of dollars.
If you continue to support the republican party....then you must feel that you are wealthy too....but......unless you earn over a million dollars a year in captial gains ( this does not apply to workers who receive a W2 tax form from an employer) you are not. You may FEEL rich...but you are still paying more taxes than those who sit back and earn millions in accumulated intrest.
ANY americans refusal to pay a tax rate equal to the middle class...is treason in my humble opinion.
Conceredone:
If the Occupy movement accomplished one thing, it's that it got most people asking about and noticing the growing income gap and how that is what is really killing our economy. The GOP is on the decline and this understanding of this fast growing inequality and favoring the wealthy above all else is only further increasing the distance from the GOP and the real people in America.
Since you like polls, you do know that Congress in general and both Romney and Gingrich specifically have numbers that are far worse with approval and disapproval numbers, right?
Commonsense, 9/11 had no effect on the economy? Just shutting down ALL of the aviation industry was a huge drain. Do you realize how much commerce goes through FEDEX, UPS, USPS,the Airlines and the many other business jets? How many businesses rely on airlines for packages and to move their employees where needed? Every internet business could not deliver there goods. Exports were almost nothing. No effect? Really?
I agree they could have done better in 2000's. But why do you not mention the current administration and it's horrible spending habits?
The Clinton/Gingrich combo in the 90's is the only attempt at fiscal responsibility in the last 40 or 50 years.
Social programs do more to create disunity and lack of equality. Wealthy people do not prevent YOU from going to school and getting your MBA or Ph.D. The do not prevent YOU from working hard. The economy is not a zero sum game. Because someone else is making a lot of money, doesn't mean that there is not money available to you. What do you want for? Business and dreaded corporations make millions/billions of dollars. But they also give millions of people jobs, they create products you use, and if you looked at the operating cost of running a business you would understand why they make so much money. Most of it goes back into the company. Like oil companies. They really only make an excess of around 8%... far less than coke at ~25%.
"If we put equality before liberty, we will ultimately end up with neither. If we put liberty before equality, we will get a greater degree of both." Milton Friedman
Taxprep, then you would also know that people with a lot of money had to make that money and pay taxes on that money at current rates BEFORE you get to invest it and get cap gains. The money people use for cap gains has already been taxed once.
Mike - Yes I do understand, and am disappointed with the very nature of the situation. It doesn't make me suddenly embrace the other side though. Looks like another election where I'm voting for who I hate less. :-( Huntsman was my pick as a true moderate who was employed by a Democratic and a Republican administration. He has led a state, and has the best experience in foreign relations.
I disagree with the GOP numbers on the decline. For every one on here posting, 2 new babies are born into homes that tout morals and values that were once held dear in the minds and hearts of ALL Americans. What I do believe is those calling themselves Democrat are getting off the couch and taking an interest.
takenaka, don't make it personal.
You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Hey JOLLY JOKER:
President Obama: Raised the debt by 16% in 3 years in necessary spending to keep the country from falling into a great depression. To keep 1 million people working in the auto industry instead of letting an American institution collapse.
President Bush: Raised the debt 155% in 8 years on a prescription drug program not paid for, for tax cuts to the wealthiest without paying for it. Two wars that he didn't pay for.
What exactly are you talking about? Facts please no rhetoric if you don't mind.
@ Christine,
I will never insult your grammar, but your comments indicate that you are not well read. The CEO of GE as well as his family ( parents included) are life long Republicans. As a matter of fact, his father was angered by the fact that he agreed to work with Obama. In short, he and Obama are not friends; he just wanted to bring everyone to the table to help address our economic issues. Contrary to comments posted that Obama is trying to divide the country, he attempted to bring both parties together as evidenced by nominating more opposing party political appointees in history. Three well known ones are Ray Lahood (Sec of Transportation), Huntsman ( Ambassador to China), Gates (Sec of Defense). He nominated Judd Gregg as Sec of Commerce but he withdrew.
Now, with regard to Soylandra, funding to Soylandra was authorized via the "Energy Policy Act of 2005" was authored and sponsored by a GOP congressman and passed by a GOP majority in congress. Since 2005 under that Bill many clean energy initiatives were funded, the projects funded before 2008 have had a 25% success rate meaning 75% failed. In looking at many of the projects on the Dept of Energy website, I could make the case that preferential treatment were given to many of those failed projects; but what is more, the US government lost 20% the amount of money lost by Soylandra. Thus far, Soylandra is the only clean energy project funded by the Obama administration to fail which is a 99% success rate. Such investments by the government or any other entity are going to have some rate of failure. A 99% success rate is darn good. The Dems could have made a political issue of the many project funded which failed under Bush but it appears they are not that petty and realistic. When many on the left were clamoring for hearings on Iraq and roles Bush and Chaney played in perpetrating that fraudulent war, they rose above it and attempted to focus on the more important issue, the economy
@ Christine,
I will never insult your grammar, but your comments indicate that you are not well read. The CEO of GE as well as his family ( parents included) are life long Republicans. As a matter of fact, his father was angered by the fact that he agreed to work with Obama. In short, he and Obama are not friends; he just wanted to bring everyone to the table to help address our economic issues. Contrary to comments posted that Obama is trying to divide the country, he attempted to bring both parties together as evidenced by nominating more opposing party political appointees in history. Three well known ones are Ray Lahood (Sec of Transportation), Huntsman ( Ambassador to China), Gates (Sec of Defense). He nominated Judd Gregg as Sec of Commerce but he withdrew.
Now, with regard to Soylandra, funding to Soylandra was authorized via the "Energy Policy Act of 2005" was authored and sponsored by a GOP congressman and passed by a GOP majority in congress. Since 2005 under that Bill many clean energy initiatives were funded, the projects funded before 2008 have had a 25% success rate meaning 75% failed. In looking at many of the projects on the Dept of Energy website, I could make the case that preferential treatment were given to many of those failed projects; but what is more, the US government lost 20% the amount of money lost by Soylandra. Thus far, Soylandra is the only clean energy project funded by the Obama administration to fail which is a 99% success rate. Such investments by the government or any other entity are going to have some rate of failure. A 99% success rate is darn good. The Dems could have made a political issue of the many project funded which failed under Bush but it appears they are not that petty and realistic. When many on the left were clamoring for hearings on Iraq and roles Bush and Chaney played in perpetrating that fraudulent war, they rose above it and attempted to focus on the more important issue, the economy
@ Christine,
I will never insult your grammar, but your comments indicate that you are not well read. The CEO of GE as well as his family ( parents included) are life long Republicans. As a matter of fact, his father was angered by the fact that he agreed to work with Obama. In short, he and Obama are not friends; he just wanted to bring everyone to the table to help address our economic issues. Contrary to comments posted that Obama is trying to divide the country, he attempted to bring both parties together as evidenced by nominating more opposing party political appointees in history. Three well known ones are Ray Lahood (Sec of Transportation), Huntsman ( Ambassador to China), Gates (Sec of Defense). He nominated Judd Gregg as Sec of Commerce but he withdrew.
Now, with regard to Soylandra, funding to Soylandra was authorized via the "Energy Policy Act of 2005" was authored and sponsored by a GOP congressman and passed by a GOP majority in congress. Since 2005 under that Bill many clean energy initiatives were funded, the projects funded before 2008 have had a 25% success rate meaning 75% failed. In looking at many of the projects on the Dept of Energy website, I could make the case that preferential treatment were given to many of those failed projects; but what is more, the US government lost 20% the amount of money lost by Soylandra. Thus far, Soylandra is the only clean energy project funded by the Obama administration to fail which is a 99% success rate. Such investments by the government or any other entity are going to have some rate of failure. A 99% success rate is darn good. The Dems could have made a political issue of the many project funded which failed under Bush but it appears they are not that petty and realistic. When many on the left were clamoring for hearings on Iraq and roles Bush and Chaney played in perpetrating that fraudulent war, they rose above it and attempted to focus on the more important issue, the economy
Wakeup - 12 years might be a better number if you think about it. I also believe each is given a "term". The Term is the limit. The only way they are returned is if they are giving enough candy to the kiddies pulling the lever for them.
This comes from a Bush man who spent all of the Bill Clinton surplus, as GWB's Budget Director.
Say Ed why don't you get your history straight. Most would agree both parties have sold their souls. But clinton only moved to the center after his first two years because he lost the house & senate. The surplus and balanced budget were the work of the repubs. Give credit where credit is due. Also look at clinton's budget proposals for those years, typical tax & spend communist democrats. What we need is a third party.
And I noticed Mitch claimed the tea-GOP could "fix it" but didn't mention any plans, or ideas, or anything concrete on HOW they would "fix it." All I heard him keep saying was that he pinned HIS hope on private business ("make money") -
So tell us Mitch.... How's selling off your State's assets to private entities working out for you? Hear it has caused an awfully lot of trouble and headaches, and has taken your state's money; had to have a "do over" on a few of those didn't you? And what is this we hear about you getting sued by IBM - a private entity - for not fulfilling your obligation when you hired them to do the state's work as a private entity... several MILLION isn't it?
Grizz - well said.
Grizz, balanced budget was not work of republicans, Clinton reduced military, closed bases and other stuff with executive power. We also had higher tax code that brought more money. So what happened to BUSH, why he wasted that surplus, he had republican congress in both chambers until 2006?
You wouldn't know what is communist or socialist even if you seen it in front of you, before you call somebody that please do some research.
You sounded Baloney Maksim, based on your last name, were you once living under the communist regime?
Christine. Do your homework. Get some facts. Do a little analysis. Give us something to work with besides the scurrilous claptrap that spews from your heroes of the airwaves.
Wanna make another lame comment about where I'm from?
Seems to me that the Patriot act sounds like typical tax & spend communist actions. Republican enacted
Obama would have to be called more a Socialist Democrat than a Commie. Plus the surplus and balanced budget had more to do with the raise in the economy due to the Dot Com boom. Rather than what the Republican congress did.
The republicans like war mongering Reagan Star WARS and spending on the Cold war. Left office with a Deficit 1.4 trillion Bush SR. first Iraq war left office with a $290 Billion Dollar deficit. JR left with a 1 trillion dollar deficit.
So Tax and spend is really a tax and spend on what problem. And who is getting taxed problem. No middle class no major tax base. And with low or no taxes to offshore accounts and other assets held by the top 1% with wars enacted leads to where we are now.
Spending at home on infrastructure like after WWII pulls us out of depressions, recessions.
If the republican party really cared for the average American they would be on board. With Building up our Nation. Instead of allowing it to be bled dry by Corporations.
The republican party has no presidential candidate worthy of office period. At least not the ones running. The closest is Ron Paul and that's scary.
Yeah, Christine, because we all know that anybody without a good American name like Jim Jones must be some kind of a terrorist or foreign nut.
Oh, wait.... wasn't there something about kool-aid.....
bigotry is so blind
@GRIZ-2113758 - Tax and spend communists democrats? That's republican projection. You're just repeating conservative radio commentary. The truth of the matter is that republicans spend like drunken sailors and don't care if it's replaced. Cheney infamously said that deficits don't matter. Bush Jr. didn't raise taxes but gave huge tax breaks to the very wealthy, but Bush Sr. and Reagan raised taxes several times.
This nation is in the state it's in because of republican policies and yet it's the communists democrats fault? That is very funny.
Next time don't come to a gun fight with a knife, prepare yourself with some simple research. As it is, your being lied to by the right.
GRIZ I'm sorry but you have no idea what you're talking about. If someone needs to give credit where credit is due you NEED to give credit to Clinton and the Dems. Republicans had nothing to do with it, if anything they tried to obstruct as they always do. Don't believe me? Check for yourself its all there ya just have to search for it. Its the public record and its there permanently. Republicans can lie and distort facts all they want on tv and the radio but there is an archive of everything that happens and it's set it stone.
Ed -- love it! He's hoping Americans have a short memory.
the criticism of mitch daniels and the state of indiana under his leadership is unfounded. for the fiscal year of 2011, indiana had one of the largest surpluses among the states (approx. 1.2 billion). in a survey taken by Cheif Executive magazine, indiana was also ranked as the best state in the midwest to do business. nationally, indiana ranked a high 6th. as for the IBM lawsuit. indiana hired IBM for a 10 yr. contract to upgrade the welfare system. but after 3 yrs, there where so many complaints, that the contract was canceled and IBM was sued for the $437 millions already paid to them. IBM then counter-sued for $100 million they claimed was still owed to them. as a hoosier, i totally support indiana's decision. there is no scandal here...just good business practices. i wouldn't pay someone i hired if they did not live up to their end of a contract, so why should a state? some say the scandal is that mitch daniels didn't want to be deposed. that is a red herring, as this is standard protocol for most governorships. otherwise, a frivolous precedent would be set to have governors spending too much time in depositions and not enough time doing their jobs. whatever unfounded criticisms there are floating about in regards to indiana, seem to be propaganda put out there to make the state's future seem worse than its present. these unfounded predictions are a tactic to make the RTW proposals seem more acceptable to the indiana voters...a battle currently on-going in the indiana state house. whether RTW is beneficial or not, is another debate. but, indiana's economy is still much sounder than most other states.
Patriotism, don't you know that when a republican is President he gets all the credit, unless things go bad and the congress is democratic then they get all the blame, and if the President is Democrat and Congress is Republican then congress gets all the credit for anything good and the President gets all the blame for anything bad?(/end sarcasm) The party of no is also the party of hypocrisy.
What I find incredibly sad, nay even heart wrenching is how divided our nation has become. What happened to the united-United States of America the WHOLE WORLD watched and was in awe of? Our strength, fortitude, determination, and pride after the tragedy of 9/11? Don't tell me George W. Bush is what happened to it. That's a pat and politically motivated answer and this mess is bigger than just one man or one political party to take credit for.
Our nation has become divided in more ways than politically in the last few years. This people called Americans have drawn lines in the sand between races, genders, sexual orientations, working classes, income levels, the haves and have nots, spirituality, AND politically.
Can you not see the forest for the trees my fellow citizens? STOP, LOOK, READ, RESEARCH, and LEARN before pointing fingers at who's right and who's wrong and who's fault it all is. Stop listening to pundits telling you how and what to think and believe. Can Americans no longer think for themselves or make sound decisions without hearing it from a sound bite first? Remember, when you point a finger at someone else there are three fingers pointing back AT YOURSELF.
This entire mess my Homeland, the GREATEST NATION ON EARTH, is in didn't happen overnight. It wasn't created by just one man, one woman, or one political party. The entire blame, whose fault this whole mess is, lies with each and every adult human being who professes to LOVE the kind of freedoms ONLY this Nation can offer and give. We have taken the ways, meanings, and intentions of the great leaders who formed the foundations we stand on and mutilated, spit on, condemned, and forsaken them and discarded them like ordinary garbage on a trash heap. Americans no longer have honor, no longer are held in high esteem for the world has seen our true colors shining and they ARE NOT the red, white, and blue of citizens united for the sake of all their fellow countrymen.
Please, before you cast your vote in a primary or in the election this November, for the sake of what our forefathers held dear and of great importance stop and think about what this once great nation needs in a leader. Not what color his skin may be, not what God he does or does not worship, not how much money he has or has raised in his campaign, not how old he is, and especially NOT what political party he belongs to, Instead really, really honestly ask yourself can this man lead a nation, can this man compromise, can this man help America regain her independence and leadership in this world? Can this man honor the promises he has made to the American people? Are his promises even capable of being realistically achieved? Will this man honor the position we elect him to and the responsibility AND privilege we have given to him? Please don't just go out and vote for an ethnicity, a religion, or along a straight party line because, "That's the way we've always done it". That's how we got in this big mess to begin with. Vote with your heart, your head, AND your gut.
A house divided CANNOT stand and neither can a country. Be excellent to each other! I am spent and in tears, Peace out.
Funny how when things are good its the presidents doing. When it's bad it is congress. When Clinton was in office it was the GOP in congress to keep the budget balanced. When Bush was in, it was the Dem. in congress. Congress ok's all spending and cuts not the president.
NPR.org did a fact check on the SOTU and Daniels rebuttal...They used experts from each field...It is excellent...
Watched some of Joecup this morning, he is smoking some serious stuff to turn himself inside out with the GOP lies! cantor was there whining and brokaw was right with them!
Isn't Daniels the one who spent the Surplus with the neocons and bush cheney? No wonder people are so upset about his take on the SOTU,,,here!
Just go to NPR....it was quite enlightening...No political pundit BS...just facts from field experts!
Sounds like cheney when baby bush was running, woe is me, we are on the way down, america is over...blah,blah, blah.
Ed, that Clinton surplus as you call it was from legislation passed by a Republican house and Senate. Led in the house where spending bills originate by Speaker Gingrich. Those few years had the lowest SPENDING to GDP in the last 40 years. Deficits and/or surplus is much more related to spending than tax rates.
Daniels took Indiana from the Red and put it fiscally back in the Black. During the recession at that.
"W" was playing "RAMBO" with our Country and dumped his mess on this Nation, Now the GOP Tea Retard Turkeys think they can save us, No thanks, the retards can go back home and do nothing and save this Country Billions to help pay down the Debt.
(supposed) Patriotic American, grow up. The more you talk about "retards", the more your posts will be ignored.
Obama is burying us in debt. Was it all his fault? NO! Has he done anything to stop it? NO. He's an idealogue of the highest order who still believes in the green energy fairy.
Good luck in 2012-you're gonna need it.
Blow your bull to the fox, you're the one that needs the luck with the retards you support. That's right "RETARDS" because that's what they become.
Hey Kathryn...Do you have an intelligent thought in you besides "blah, blah, blah" It seems to be all you post.
They should have had gov. Snyder present the rebuttal. Here in Michigan we have for the first time in many administrations a real surplus. Now if the Democrats in Detroit could get on the same page we may be able to save this city. If the city council would stop screaming "We dont want Whitey in our city" they could possibly make some progress.
Griz,
Great "missed the whole damn point" post!
So you don't deny that Bush and Daniels spent the surplus given to them, you just won't give Clinton the credit for the surplus? Wow! What a great argument!
Never mind that the "Bush Debt Train" continues to roll at a $500Billion a year clip. Never mind that he started the war in Afghanistan, the war in Iraq, the huge Homeland Security, and Medicaid without funding a damn thing then cut taxes! Never mind that he handed the American people a failed economy that generated $500 Billion in less revenue a year, making Bush's total annual debt contribution somewhere near $1Trillion even AFTER HE LEFT!
Yea, but Clinton didn't have any thing to do with the surplus he handed Bush. Okay... you got us there... (not).
Patriotic American...you seem to enjoy using the word "retard," yet I doubt you would care if it offends people. Please STFU...one can argue a point intelligently, but you don't seem to have that ability. And besides, you use that moniker, yet with all your insulting ramblings, you only make it look rediculous.
Realist...I agree wholeheartedly. If we all voted for the person, and what he or she stood for, instead of the BS political parties, imagine how much better things could get.
Now if only Congress would stop all the fighting and the obvious ways they work against the President instead of with him, it could only be a good thing. I never expect everyone to agree with everything, but this looks like high school...and I really didn't care for high school.
When one person looks at someone one else with racism, bigotry, or some other form of hate, that is one person too many.
Yes, this is the greatest country in the world. And we need to stand together and help each other. Congress needs to stand together with their boss and try a lot harder to work things out instead of tryng to undermine everything he does. I'm sorry, but even I can see by what they say and do that sometimes, they disagree MORE because they don't like him instead of because it isn't something that they feel is necessary.
Everyone needs to just go vote when the time comes. In the mean time, be a little nicer to each other. If you get a chance, volunteer your time for something you believe in. Trust me, you will love it.
Be safe, everyone.
The State of the nation is grave?
Isn't this been the stated objective of the Republican Party? Haven't they wanted this administration to "fail"? Haven't they refused to work with the other side?
They take a full measure of credit for the condition of this nation.
If I remember correctly, this pretty much is the same rhetoric, used in the 2010 elections by the GOP. Everyone knows how well that worked out. We ended up with the worst sitting congress that I can remember. Guess what GOP, the sky didn't fall, and things are actually getting better. Even without your help.
The Right and Congress are the one's dividing this country. Blaming the President is just plain lying. If you aren't going to work with him to get this country going again...get the hell out.
Of course the Republicans see the state of the union as "grave"...."dire"....."abysmal"! Those are always the words they are obliged to use whenever the sitting president in a Democrat. Nothing new there!!
However, their plan to "fix things" is to eliminate government intervention in the workplace, to eliminate government spending, to eliminate federal taxes. Just out of curiosity.....let's say the Republicans get everything they want. They win the Presidency in November (fat chance, but let's assume, okay?), they get huge super-majorities in both chambers of Congress. Now what?? They start dismantling the federal government (except for the Defense Dept, of course). All corporate laws are repealed. Businesses can now pay slave wages again, and you can forget about only working 40 hrs a week, getting paid overtime wages, etc.
What do you Republicans think is going to happen in this country once you get everything going "in the 'right' direction" again? I mean REALLY!! Do you, for one instant, think that a country with a poverty rate of 80-90% is a country on the right track?? Is that what you all really believe??
Jolly I to live in Michigan, and I don't share your view of snider. Although I think he is unlike Scott Walker, at smart enough to not go as far as walker and that governor in Ohio. He has still made this a police state. The tea baggers all say one thing and then do something else. Walker is gone, and he knows it. Ohio voters over ruled the governor there. The people have spoken and they didn't like being lied to in WI and Ohio. Snider is not stupid, he didn't go as far as Walker did. But The State talking over local citys and towns that were in trouble, is the same as the government talking over things.
want a stupid f moron.
Grave? Please. Here in Michigan we're finally seeing some light at the end of the tunnel.
It's probably just a train coming!
Hmmmmm.....Let me See Now......So "Mitt" Mince 'EmRommel paid 13.78% tax on 42Million AND! AND!!! AND!!! We American Taxpayers have the HONOR of payin' Rommel's Other and REQUIRED Fair SHARE OF HIS PERSONAL Taxes 'Cause Well,..... We're Little People, Don't You Know????? So WE Get to pay Rommel's OTHER $5,750,000 taxes!!!! Aren't WE American Taxpayers Thrilled!! Especially since TheseRepublicanCrimeCartelSOLDIERS Voted Down AnAmericanNationalHealthCareSystem for WE Americans IN FAVOR of The Fat,Rich "Health" Insurance Companies. FACT CHECK: THE ceo of UnitedHealthCare TAKEHome Pay for 2009 was $128,000,000 (128 Million Dollars)!!!!! And What was "mitten"Mince "EmRommel's Comment on that financial RapeJob??? SHHHH.. Nada... HushUp!! You RepublicanCrimeCartelSoldiers Have It made, for now, Wait till November Election Day; You CrimCartelGANGSTERS are GONNA' LOSE In A Landslide....Uuuuhhh except in "FerGit Heeilll!!! SC Where The CivilWarLoserBots are: We're Steeeilll Maaiiaad 'Bout You Yankees!!!!! Notice the VACUOUS Faces holding the campaign signs for THE Gangrene!!
phantom. you spend so much effort being clever and witty that it is hard to know what the hell you are trying to say. "Mitten"Mince "EmRommel's. Really? and You CrimCartelGANGSTERS are GONNA Lose. Did you even go to school?
When you're in a depression/recession, it takes years not A YEAR for things to turn around. My concern is that the Republicans are happy with Americans making "low-wage" jobs. Daniels is in an anti-union state, that means no benefits, no high salaries. I'd rather live in a state where the wages are a bit higher. And I am highly insulted that my boss who has admitted he's a millionaire is unhappy with Obama because his "wealth" hasn't grown, and his townhouse is underwater. PLEEZ! Give me a million $$!
Instead of being so concerned with 1% of taxpayers who may not pay enough, why don't you focus on the 49% that pay nothing. The 49% that contribute nothing to help run the country, yet seem to want all the benifits. How many jobs are those 49% creating with the money they save by not paying any tax?
Obama is happy with mediocrity and loves americans are suffering. I think americans kind of like it too! Pathetic.
Sally, Earn it!
Tripmaker: are you interested in taking even more money away from the little that the lowest earners have. Since 20% of those who have earned income earn less than $20,000 and the tax rate (assuming MFJ) on that is ZERO, you would have a tax on a married couple taking home less than $400 a week so that those who are taking home TWELVE TIMES as much can take home more ?
Is it any wonder most people refer to the GOP as heartless bastards only interested in giving the wealthy more money ?
Tripmaker,
That slogan put out by the right just shows their current thinking about how it's OK for me but not for you. I have seen hundreds of post's by Republicans on this site stating that multi-millionaires are only legally following the laws (that by the way were lobbied by themselves to benefit them more than others not in their position of wealth) and are entitled to pay lower rates because of it. O.K., if a majority of people don't like it, they should hound their Representative to make changes. Then it would become unlawful.
However, the Republicans constantly harp on how unfair it is "other" 49% don't pay their fair share in taxes! Just like your "buddies" the wealthy, they are not breaking any law and are just as entitled to use these "loopholes" as your friends do. The only difference I can see IMO between the two, is one class is working hard everyday just to survive with the basics of life while the other class is just amassing wealth that they will never spend in their lifetime for whatever personal reason.
Now directly to my point regarding your post's. It's BS to blame those people for the fix we are in today and wrong on your part for not including the whole picture. And yet Republicans wonder why people don't believe their rethoric! By the way, we have a progressive type of taxation in this country. The more you make, the more you are suspose to pay. Fair, period. But, that has changed because money has been paid to make our current taxation to benefit those with more. I'll leave it up to you to guess who paid money to have those changes made!
If it is grave, it is because of the past 30 years of GOP politics. They have given all they could to the rich, taken over the media so that people are uneducated about the reality of the nation, used scare tactics to control the people, and fought everything the President has done to improve the economy. Despite their actions, things are turning around and there is hope again. Why would we ever want to go back to their destructive ways?
And have you seen what they are offering us as candidates? One-percenters who only toady to their wealthy supporters and have no idea what the rest are going through, thanks to their policies and unwillingness to support anything that might help intheir lust for power and money.
The GOP has taken over the Media. Really? You loose all credibility when you say something that stupid.
Actually, leroy, have you seen the list of media owned by Rupert Murdoch? It's far to long to list here, so you'll have to go read for yourself:
List of assets owned by News Corp
Here's just a few:
Newspapers:
Broadcast/production:
Cable:
Television:
Film:
have you seen the list of media owned by G E? It's way longer than that.
Really leroy? Mind posting a link with G.E. owned media? And what's GE have to do with the democratic pary? Do you even know what your talking about?
I hear the same Republican rhetoric, "Be afraid, be very afraid", bring out the socialist bogey man; after all these years of tax cuts for the 'job creators' where are the jobs? When you can't use those blame it on the media (not that they don't deserve some of it).
Leroy They will never see the truth. They are so brain washed by the media. Most of their list is Fox. Fox makes them so mad for telling the truth about the liberal dems. I would love to see all the names of the bought out liberal media networks. Ted Turner on down to CBS, NBC, ABC, and Public Television. Come on people when have you ever heard tuff questions ask of the current president or any dem.
Fox tells a lot of things but the truth ain't one of those things.
And obama did what? Notta.! We are 7 trillion deeper and everyone is poor ...Look around your community you ignorant baffoon.
Maybe you need to look outside of your trailer park, jolly joker. The consumer spending has been increasing in recent years. Quit wasting your money on mountain dew and lottery tickets and perhaps you will feel richer.
Jolly Joker, I live in Jersey and I don't know of many who live in poverty. The inner city is where you will find the most. The reason being ability to get food or temporary shelter, they gravitate there because Podunk Indiana doesn't have the infrastructure to deal with them. Keep in mind the the national average for the chronically unemployed is just over 5%. The unemployment rate now is at 8.2%. So 3% is the great wave of poverty your enlightening us about...right? If the Bush Tax cuts would have never been set in stone you and I would have never needed to have this discussion. remember that 5.3% are not competing for your job. You should be able to find work without a problem. You might have to relocate. But hey, thems the breaks. We still need to help that 5.3% get back on their own 2 feet and cutting planned parenthood or attacking education is a sure fired way to make sure they stay unemployed and a drag on the economy. Truth being you can't see the forest because of the trees...peace
Its been said before. The reps chance of winning is if America thinks the nation is headed in the wrong direction and the Dems are to blame. But honestly, i had 8 years of pessimism. I think the response was the wrong edge. Although Americans Can Do Anything was pretty bad too.
This from a teatard that is jamming "right to work for less" legislation down the peoples throat in Indiana? After listing to this goof I wanted to jump on a large knife to end it all.
Outlaw,
Republicans know that they can rely on morons like you to vote against your own interests. You are not paying more in taxes because of President Obama. Your paying more in taxes because of Republican policies past and present. The Presidents policies would ensure that people like you would pay less in taxes (you dumb cluck) but the Republicans are blocking these initiatives!
Realy? Since 2009 I have paid 29% more in taxes and took on another job to try and earn the same net I did before Obama was in office. I guess if I was a union sleeze I could work less, have cadillac health care, and pay less in taxes. But I rather stand up for myself then be a union puppet.
Outlaw,
The Mitt Romneys of the world are the ones driving the luxury cars while putting people out of work. Stop being a Republican puppet by believing the unions are responsible for your plight. Do you see teachers, firefighters and police officers driving around in Cadillacs? They all belong to unions. Stop being irrational, illogical and emotional.
Outlaw8033
You lying, you not paying no 29% more in taxes. I would love some proof of that, not your lousy talking points, that you got from Glen beck. And you don't know anything about unions, then don't talk about them.
Outlaw, You wish you were a union puppet. We always put down what we want but can't have. Your working two jobs because Bush brought you this great economy and the fact that you got a second job shows that things are starting to get better under Obama.
Lmao...... Outlaw hang in there. The UAW and other unions have had to start using their pension funds to organize in Places that it will not happen. I work in the auto industry (non union) and the overwhelming feeling is that we do not want the union EVER. They will only be able to spend so much of the pension fund before they exhaust a large portion of it. And if they dont manage to organize the "foreign" Auto plants they will have to look some where else for the money. Watch Mr Obama carefully to see if he throws more money at them as part of his plan.
Outlaw...Be happy you are fullfilling GWB's promise and he said and I remember it well in a campaign speech.
"You working two Jobs? - How utterly American of You" (Talking with some 50 yo lady)
The Republican plan - In order to provide food, shelter and healthcare for your family. Work Two Jobs!
And Be Happy about it!
7.1, 7.2 deleted, Carl Hubert and Outlaw08033 encouraging another user to commit suicide. Don't do that again.
You're suspended for a day for violating #5 of the Code of Honor.
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UK/USA, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
They should know - the Conservatives put us in the grave and Obama has pulled us out. What a bunch of defeatist bs.
Sure the repubs have their share of blame. The dems had control of the house & senate for forty some odd years and pushed thru some of the biggest give a ways in history. Remember, the dems wrote the book on tax & spend, big, out of control government.
GRIZ
Both are spenders, there is difference, Democrats at least spend on helping working class and elderly and republicans spend it on war and big corporations.
Well, PrezO is holding a Very Positive and Constructive Platform for We Americans. The RepublicanCrimeCartel is getting desperate and turning loose It's SOLDIERS OF GREED AND DESTRUCTION; You know what? THE "Mitt" Mince 'EmRommel is trying a "StoneWall" Bluff on his personal income and TAX Evasion like what these RepublicanCrimeCartelCriminals Do as Standard Operating Procedure. Hmmmmm.....Let me See Now......So Mince 'EmRommel paid 13.78% tax on 42Million AND! AND!!! AND!!! We American Taxpayers "HAVE THE HONOR" of payin' Rommel's Other And REQUIRED Fair SHARE OF HIS PERSONAL Taxes 'Cause Well,..... We're Little People, Don't You Know????? So WE Get to pay Rommel's OTHER $5,750,000 taxes!!!! Aren't WE American Taxpayers Thrilled!! Especially since TheseRepublicanCrimeCartelSOLDIERS Voted Down AnAmericanNationalHealthCareSystem for WE Americans IN FAVOR of The Fat,Rich "Health" Insurance Companies. FACT CHECK: THE CEO of UnitedHealthCare TAKEHome Pay for 2009 was $128,000,000 (128 Million Dollars)!!!!! And What was "mitten"Mince "EmRommel's Comment on that financial RapeJob??? SHHHH.. Nada... HushUp!! You RepublicanCrimeCartelSoldiers Have It made, for now, Wait till November Election Day; You GANGSTERS are GONNA' LOSE In A Landslide....Uuuuhhh except in "FerGit Heeilll!!! SC Where The CivilWarLoserBots are: We're Steeeilll Maaiiaad 'Bout You Yankees!!!!! Notice the VACUOUS Faces holding the campaign signs for THE Gangrene!!
It is called a space bar. try it some time.
Remember the Republican Party of Ronald Reagan – the party of optimist, the party of positives, the party of Morning in America. Look what it’s become – the party of gloom and doom, a party focusing on the negative, a party seeing only the cloud rather than the silver lining, a party that has become little more that glorified, third rate reality show. Today Republican candidates are acting like spoiled children, screaming at each other, calling each other one name after another and threatening law suits against networks over campaign ads all while spreading nothing but fear and blaming everyone but except themselves for everything wrong in the universe. Meanwhile – the only message they have to offer the American citizens is I hate Obama more than my opponent hates Obama.
The State of the nation is grave?
Hasn't this been the stated objective of the Republican Party? Haven't they wanted this administration to "fail"? Haven't they refused to work with the other side?
They take a full measure of credit for the condition of this nation.
what i see with last night speech.. it was a campaign speech not a state of the union speech. Nice of Obama to foot the bill for his campaign speech to the taxpayers instead of using his campaign funds (just another example of the underhandedness of democrats)
More importantly, he sounded like he is ready to set up his kingdom, he's going to be America's first king.
He's asking for more authority and power for himself, saying it will streamline our government. Sounds like he wants to be the king. He is only interested in complete, total control of "we the people". He and his co-horts want to control every aspect of our lives, "the government know better" . Obama and his socialist co-horts (a.k.a. thugs )makes me sick.
Obumbles is toast. Back to Chi-town Barry! Lead from behind.....
How GOP inappropriate. The president has a name -- use it.
President toast
Actually Barry Soetoro has 2 names. an 2 nationalities and 2 religions. I just hope he doesn't have 2 terms.
I would like to congratulate Congressmen Jeff Flake{R} for being a true gentlemen. He helped Congresswomen Gabby Giffords{D} get to her feet every time she wanted to show support for the President. Class act in my book.
I agree.
12 deleted, Me-1370664 calling everyone 'you commies'. You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Was followed by Tony-380784 responding with 'you neo-nazis'. Unacceptable, as are most of your recent comments.
You're suspended for a week for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
The Obama Administration has destroyed the economy and ruin iur Healthcare. e must rally and remove him from Office. This Country was strong once and will be strong again when we push him out of Office
Ummm Carl, can you explain yourself a little more coherently?
Please, get real. Go back to Foxland...your cronies are looking for you. If you seriously believe the GOP will rescue you, I have a bridge to sell you. Cheap.
"The Obama Administration has destroyed the economy and ruin iur Healthcare"
Right, because the Obama administration caused the real estate bust that began in 2006, no, no, not that one, ummm, because the Obama administration caused the Wall Street crash of 2008, wait, no, not that one either.... Hmmmm....... And our healthcare system was soooo healthy as it was rated 37th, behind EVERY OTHER developed country in the world? And would this be the same economy that has shown private sector job growth for the last 22 months straight? Come on, get real!
Carl.... You belong with the the brain dead repukes. The GOP survive off of idiots and the brain dead. I don't even no why myself or anyone else reponse to your comments, what would you do if you didn't have President Obama to blame for your misfortunes.
Wow Carl Hubert,
What the heck did you just say? You poor thing hon -- a little bit mentally challenged? You hang in there sweetie and mommy will be home soon to give you a bath.......
Apparently you don't what the hell you're talking about! When and how did Obama destroy the economy? How has he ruined our healthcare? Stop making general statements that are not even remotely close to being true. Go troll somewhere else. Jerk!
@Carl Hulbert
Well dude if nothing else you should be mad at the President for making you stay in school until you're 18 if he gets his way.
On the upside you may be able to (finally) get out of the 8th grade by then.
I need a barf bag after Daniels, anybody got one? He has a positive state approval rating, are you kidding me? Have the good people of Indiana gone mad?
Interesting how the GOP puts governors up for the rebuttal, instead of their leaders in Congress.
How about Ryan or Cantor? No, their approval ratings are in the teens.
McConnell? Don't even think about it.
Oh well, the country's is in Grave shape, yet the President has a 40+% approval rating.
I wonder why?
I don't think 40% is anything to brag about. I don't know of anyone in congress on either aisle that has a decent approval rating.
Now another thing, as I read all the slanted posts here, neither party has a monopoly on good ideas to fix the economy. When the Dems say that the Repubs are obstructionists, they should take a good hard look in the mirror. When Repubs think that they can balance the budget with cuts alone, they are nuts. When Dems hold on dearly to entitlements they are just as bad.
To hear the same points over and over again from the President and congress, it is just ridiculous. Stop the talking points and get down to business
Agreed it is congress which needs to be restructured. I want progress and I want it yesterday!
" ... I don't think 40% is anything to brag about. ... "
If I recall correctly, that 40% is better then the last guy had. Oh yea, that's right he was a Republican AND a Conservative. And wasn't it his administration that drove the bus that is our economy into the ditch? And the one that bailed out the Banks? The one that in it's last year in office lost millions of jobs. Then there was those two pesky wars that they didn't pay for. You know the ones. The ones that they used to run the debt up. And then blamed President Obama for.
Yep. They are just the people that this country needs to "save" it. Yep, we need them to save it alright. Just like I need someone to poke me in the eye with a sharp stick. But come to think of it, having my eye poked out with a sharp stick would hurt a lot less then what the Republicans/Conservatives did to this country for 8 years under G.W. Bush.
So sharp stick, or one of the clowns running for President on the Right. Hhhmmm. Which one to choose? Well ........
I guess .....
The only smart choice is .....
SHARP STICK!!!!
I wonder if my insurance will cover that? That's right. Never mind. I don't have any. Oh well.
BC
Entitlements? Like SS and medicare? Hey I pay for them, so Yes I am entitled to them when I at the age to get it. And yes unemployment too, it not free, we pay for it too.
@JerryK1: But Bush got 58%, so there, the majority won, you idiot blind puppet for Obama's Koolaids.
Christine. Back up something you write one of these days. Facts are interesting once one knows what they are and how to find them.
Speaking of which, exactly where is Dubya these days? Still giving "motivational" speeches in Dallas?
I think Dubya must be hanging out with Sarah Palin.
Christine...
2000 election: Bush 47.87% of the popular vote 543,816 votes LESS than Gore nationwide
2004 election: Bush 50.73% of the popular vote 3,012,171 votes more than Kerry nationwide
2008 election: Obama 52.87% of the popular vote 9,549,105 votes more than McCain nationwide
Here darlin',I'll morph two of your heroes together for you to respond here...
Well there you go again with that fuzzy math.
Buck up Christine. Just think,if you're right just 2 times more a day than you are now you'll be as smart as a broken clock.
What gets me is people don't seem to know why an Entitlement is called an Entitlement, SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, is paid for my payroll deductions the person pays for those Entitlements, if you don't understand the term don't use it, you only show how stupid you truly are. And if you paid for it no one has the right to change it.
Morose, maudlin and miserable...This is the GOP. As a former Republican, if there's one thing I know it's their covert messages in their speeches. Does anyone in this country actually believe the "union" Daniels referred meant "the country"? Think again. They've got their union alright...the union of US Wealthheads Protected and Insured For Limitless Greed". Their defintiion of the word "union" is the opposite of all that Americans understand the word "union" to mean.
The GOP is so splintered as a party, they can't even admit none of them agree. But what I find most amusing is this. How exactly does allowing a sly, wily two-faced slimeball like Gingrich to become president "rescue" this country? Think about who they are putting out there for 2012. One venture capitalist and one guy who can charm the pants off any woman he chooses to snare into his little net. Now, he's got voters falling for his same line of BS.
Beware of GOP double talk. These guys are notorious experts at using words with double entendre. The only "union" they'll rescue is the one comprised of the top 1%. This is why they are labeling the status of the country as "grave". They know Main Street has ditched their voracious feeding fest in favor of moving forward. So, yes. The status of the 1%, Big Obscenely Profitable Corporations scamming our wallets is "grave"....Time to bury it and give it a headstone that reads: "Here lies Greed. A good ole boi whose end has come."
Christine-3211348, you're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
The State of the Union is grave? Going over Niagra Falls? The Republicans are going to save us? The Republicans are what got us here and is still trying to keep us UNDER water. If you look at Bush II's last year in office, it looks like a water fall from ALL the graphs. Though we are far from swimming out of this debacle that was left for President Obama to rescue, at least our heads are ABOVE water.
15 trillion in debt and climbing. That's called reality not doom and gloom. Wake up and smell the arithmetic. Can you say Greece?
cheap, can you say unpaid wars and medicare and lower taxes for the rich via Bush years?
Where were all these tea baggers hypocrites when Bush & the GOP turned a record Federal surplus into a record deficit by failing to raise taxes to pay for the wars? The chucklehead cut taxes especially for the rich not once but twice. WARS ARE EXPENSIVE and we have been in the Middle Eastnow for a decade spending trillions to ensure profits for oil companies at the expense of everyone else and you wonder why we have a deficit You GOPee people are delusional
And 10 Trillion was created by your BUSH BUDDY
As a Republican, I am definitely ashamed to admit that you are absolutely correct. Of course Bush had Republican buddies in the House and Senate to help him along with his mucking of our country so he alone is not responsible. But, he was definitely the groupie leader. And now it will take our country years to undo the mess he managed in those 8 short years. But still, what amazes me is that our party is still TRYING to shift the blame for this mess on Obama who after all, has been in office a short time and not even long enough to correct what our guy screwed up those 8 long years. As they say in East Texas, "Just pure-D politics!
We had more debt after WWII. It's more manageable than election reform and many republicans.
After seeing a few posts dismissing President Obama's speech ("he just had a speech writer, he just read a speech") I have to comment: Mitch Daniels had a speech writer also. The difference is what the speech "reader" chooses to communicate. Who wins?
President Obama, hands down. I'm proud we have a president of this caliber.
Wow....Republicans and righties are concerned about $15 trillion which is a false number. At least 3 trillion and counting is a result of bills from Halliburton and the rest of the military industrialist chompers at the trough for Iraq. Just because Bush is no longer president, doesn't mean all unpaid bills disappear. The GOP owns that debt because their president campaigned around the country to insure that he got his Halliburton War in Iraq for Cheney.
Notice though how no rightie or Republican will end the tax subsidies in the trillions we've paid for decades to obscenelty profitable corporations? That's their hush hush BS routine. Wink, wink, nod, nod, snark around about trillions in debt but don't dare touch a dime of taxpayer funding that goes to Big Oil or Big Pharma. And since when is the GOP concerned about saving SS, Medicare or Medicaid? They were perfectly happy when the fraud was ending up in their pockets for their campaigns.
GOP= Good Old Pervs
Pervs??????? Anthony Weiner, David Wu, and let's not forget Slick Willie (got any cigars?).
Dont forget to add Bill Clinton who had affairs but denied, said he did not know a blow job considered as sex and affairs...
So, as long as GW was justdid things like Clinton did, you think he was fine. Frankly that is a very low bar you set for our party of espoused moral standards. GW was a silly president who had that old Frat Boy attitude and he behaved accordingly. His invasion of Iraq that got so many killed when it was Afghanistan that sent the 9-11 perps so explicitly showed his confused and hapless nature. GW was just a silly frat boy and his Presidency was loaded with that sort of juvenile behavior. He was probably the only person in the world who could of, by comparison, make Bill Clinton look like the pillar of good sense and capabilities.
What really made my day was watching that Koch Twerp Eric Cantor with the long puss on down to his knees. That stone face was so upset because all of his Tea Party Twerpage is down the toilet. Little Mr. Rich Boi doesn't like it when his Koch funded government takeover plans are flushed....roflmao.
yes eric looked like he would cry- just like bohner- these guys not only failed their party but failed the country- - mitch was just like bobby jindal of a few years ago- he has pretty much destroyed Indiana- on the backs of the middle class-
Obama 2012
Warren 2016
Republicans destined to wander in the desert for a very long time.
I'm tired of being trickled on by Ronnie Raygun's "Trickle Down Theory"!
Money, tax breaks and other government bailouts given to the top 1% in hopes that that money will trickle down to the 99%, now that is truly a "Grave Situation!
I've never heard such a plop plop of poop since I stood behind a cow doing the deed. These guys are delusional.
We're out of the recession, but still have low growth. Unemployment remains stubborn. We're out of one war and have a withdrawal schedule for the second.
Relative to where we were in October 2008, we are better off. "Grave" was then, not now.
I'm fed up with conservatives dreaming up wars for our children to die in. If you listen to the shouts of the GOP/TP presidential nominees we will be in Iran two days after the swearing in ceremony!
We must re-elect Obama or your kids will end up dying in the Iranian desert!
You already posted that on another article response forum. When you are on your knees with a muslim terrorist with a machete to your head in your Utah desert and I shoot him dead...don't thank me I just want Amercia to be around for another 250 years or so.
Yeh, Outlaw, I gave up on the Republican party a few years back because they don't have my back. And, I'll trust my own gun, not yours! And, thanks for your concern.
Been there, done that! I don't trust any Republican Chicken Hawk!
You probably don't even know how to load any weapon...let alone to defend yourself. Democraps Republicant's they all need to go and we need common people to lead this nation.
" ... don't thank me I just want Amercia to be around for another 250 years or so. ... "
The only thing that you could do that would have me thanking you, would be you leaving. Then we, it might just have a chance at doing that.
Oh, and by the way. It's spelled A M E R I C A. You could at least spell it correctly.
@stone, Obama asked to increase the Debt credit limit again. In 2+ years, do you know how many Trillions he added while Bush was in for 8 years? Yup, his adding debts rate is lighting quicker than any other past presidents.
" ... we need common people to lead this nation. ... "
Common people? You mean people like you? No thank you! G.W. Bush was a "common" person. And look at the @!$%# that he got us into.
I don't want a President that I can have a beer with. Not another one anyway. Last "Common" person that got elected screwed things up pretty good. So, no thank you. Unlike the last guy, this presidents IQ is bigger then his shoe size. Now if we could just get the Republicans in Congress out of the way, then .....
America is not a "common" place. As the Right keeps reminding us, America, and Americans are "exceptional". Now if only the Right knew what the word ment. But that may be to much to ask.
Oh well. One can only hope.
Stone6 or just Stoned,
With a net loss of over 1 million jobs over three years where is the recovery? Not to mention all the young workers who graduated and could not find jobs and went back to school for a second degree or just gave up. You can spin words any way you want but the math still adds up to a net loss in job growth for three years. This is still the toughest economy in my lifetime (I am in my 50's) and I lived through the high times of the Regan years. I have never seen fewer job offers and so many applicants. I will lose my small business of over 20 years this month and yet people still call me on the phone for a job I don't even have.
I know who was to blame it was Dodd and Frank and the idiots who demanded the banks make loans to unqualified minorities and allowed 125% loan to value home mortgages. I used to get offers by the dozens per week for my mortgage. So lets forget the smoke and mirrors and punish the members of both parties in this next election. I also remember that is was Dodd and Frank who ignored all the warning signs of the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae collapse. These are the same dipsticks who presided over the Savings and Loan mess in the 1980's.
How many jobs did GWB lose? Yeah, just like I thought, nothing to say.
If you are seriously claiming the Reagan years as "high times" it must be from all the cocaine that flooded the country back then. You're in your 50's and are this dumb. You should be ashamed of yourself, but you probably aren't.
As far as Fannie and Freddie go, GWB and the Republicans (think Tex Schramm, think) got rid of regulations that would have prevented the mortgage meltdown. Dodd/Frank had nothing to do with it. Oh, and don't blame unqualified minorities. There were more unqualified white people who got loans they could not afford and went belly up. Nothing like throwing in a BS racial comment because you're losing your s&^%.
Got a problem with the savings and loan fiasco, go talk to John McCain. As an added bonus, got a problem with Iran having WMDs, talk to Oliver North (I would say talk to Reagan as well, but that's not too likely).
You need to grow the hell up, get your facts straight, and get your memory checked because your recollection of past events is pathetic!
" ... Yup, his adding debts rate is lighting quicker than any other past presidents. ... "
You know what? You are right. The debt has gone up more under Obama then it did under Bush. And do you know why? Because Obama had all the debt that the Bush ran up OFF the books, two unpaid for wars among other things, put ON the books. So a large chunk of the debt that you are so quick to blame Obama for, actually belongs to Bush.
But then you don't get information like that at Fox News. Or from Rush and Glen. Then again unlike the people who do, I like most of America, have to live in reality. And reality is that Bush and the Republicans screwed the pooch. And Obama is getting the blame for it. Even though it's the Republicans that are still screwing that poor pooch.
So you just keep that Conservative head of yours placed firmly up your ass. And you keep believing all the lies that they tell you about how bad Obama is. Because without the hate, the fear and the lies, the Right has nothing. Nothing at all.
And Obama is much better then the Right, and their NOTHING AT ALL.
" ... (I would say talk to Reagan as well, but that's not too likely). ... "
LOL. They do talk to him. All the time. The real problem is that when they do, they actually think that he answers them. You know, kind of like God did to G.W. Bush. But hey, when you believe that fiction is fact (trickle down) then it is easy to believe that he really does answer their prayers.
I mean that Reagan answers their prayers. Because only the truly crazy actually think that God talks to them. Um, like G.W. Bush did. <heavy sigh>
Notsosure10 - No one "forced" the banks to make bad loans...not Dodd; not Frank; not the CRA. The NINJA loans, the no doc loans, the 120% value to loan, were inventions, not of the CRA, but of front line mortgage lenders, such as Countrywide, New Century Mortgage, Ameriquest, et al, most of whom were never subject to the CRA legislation. They made the loans because subprime and Alt A loans paid much higher rates of return on investment via higher interest rates to the borrower. And, because the loans could be resold and didn't have to be held by the original lender, that lender didn't care whether they they were made to reliable borrowers or not.
And, since the people they were being resold to could securitize them through repackaging, obtain a Triple AAA rating for them and sell them to investors, they didn't care either.
Read a book on the subject...or the results of the National Commission on the Causes of the Financial Crisis.
Other: Technically a recession is two successive quarters of zero or negative GDP. We are now running 1-2% growth and have been out of recession since June 2009. Unemployment is slowly going down. The stock market has recovered substantially. We are in a slow and weak recovery. That's not great, but better than being in a Depression. Spending has been due primarily to defense costs related to the wars, social security for retiring baby-boomers, medicare/medicaid costs, which have been rising with medical costs in general and due to its success in allowing people to live longer, interest on the existing debt and the stimulus package. Economists generally agree that while not as successful as originally projected, the stimulus package was instrumental in preventing things from becoming even worse.
If you fail to face these realities and vote for someone promising to "fix" the economy through a return to the very things that put us in this position - deregulation and irresponsible tax cuts, you will contribute to the end of the American middle class and probably capitalism and democracy as well.
I am not all for the GOP and I know they have their flaws, What has obama done beside creating this country more into a welfare state. obama talks about millionaires and billionaires, so why does obama during his private fund raisers charge $32,000 per person? It is like you are cursed (according to him) if you are financially succesful..
What do you think Obama has done that makes us more of a "Welfare State?"
scot, what was President Obama suppose to do after the Bush debacle years that lead to extreme unemployment, walk away and let everyone starve? You would of then asked for his head on a platter. You cry about $32,000 per person fund raisers but don't say a word about the $5 BILLION funding from a rich guy to the Gingrich campaign? BTW, scot, want to tell all the RED states that have the most welfare recipients to give up their welfare? I bet the GOP leaders of those same states would have YOUR head on a platter.
$5 million...not $5 billion.
Faux News/Republican strategy;
Make the lie big, but keep it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it, and, if you believe it, you deserve what is brought with it.
Really, Scot + numbers?
The office of president is just one branch of the government. This is where many people do not connect the dots. The congress has to work towards solutions for the American people with the president. The GOP/TP side of congress has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to help the American people. Quit dumping on the President for the crapola that the GOP/TP is handing him!
ty Stone6, hit the wrong key... ;)
Again, someone who doesn't know what the hell s/he is talking about.
First of all, most of the people on welfare on it due to the moronic decisions of GWB and generally the Republicans in congress that changed various rules and/or gutted various regulations that led to the recession.
Second, Obama does not plan the events nor sets the price. Did you have this same concern when GWB was doing them? Do you have this concern now with the current Republican candidates for president? Didn't think you did.
How do figure that the president feels you are cursed if you're financially successful. Where has that ever been said, insinuated, implied, or been used as or in some sort of code? You're delusional and just want something to bitch about.
Let's talk facts. This country is in despair. Our Government took OUR money (taxes) and below is the outcome. Make your vote count in the next election
That would put about $1.7M in every adults pocket, living in the United States. Make your vote count in the next election.
Skipster.
Your math is wrong 535 million devided by 300 million = 178 pennies.
Skipster...Not everyone walks around with a long face and is a manic depressive like some of the 40 and 50 somethings in this country. I look around every day at people this age and see them acting like they were forced into an adulthood of responsibilities they are ill-equipped to process mentally. I hate being around some in this age group because they are downright misery pits. They don't know how to enjoy life as it is. Instead they scratch and grovel like covetous morons for things they very likely will never have....billions in moolah.
Here we have a wonderful, intelligent President who not only works hard for the people of this country but always errs on the side of fairness. Can you say the say of the GOP? This President in 3 short years did what not even FDR could do in that span of time. And, President Obama refuses to become one of those morose, gloom and doom 50 somethings who can't crack a smile if their lives depend on it.
Happy Days are here again...It's time the miserables in this country stop trying to infect the rest of us with their goth attitudes. We have 20 somethings who roll up their sleeves and get out there and pitch in. All we get from some of the 40 and 50 somethings is a bunch of wailing, whining, caterwalling do nothings who like to hear their own summarily gloomy voice. Get over yourselves for Pete's sake.
lmao.......ewent thats SIR to you! Quit giving your self credit for your measly 20 years on this planet. usable knowledge is gained through experience and life lived, you have the experience of a gnats azz that just hit the windshield of a car. You need to go live in a third world country for a few years and see what respect for your elders is. Maybe a few years in the Military taking orders from some one IN that age group might help.
ewent...I am one of those 40-50 somethings, and my experience with 20 somethings is that a lot of them are lazy. NO work ethic, simply because they weren't made to work because they had school and God forbid "my child will have to work and do homework at the same time. Besides, they have that really cool trip at Spring Break!" They expect everything to be handed to them, bitch about not having what they want NOW, yet won't work for it. A lot of them still have mommy and daddy to help them out when something goes wrong, then are still surprised when something else happens and they aren't prepared to handle it alone.
Now I am not saying all 20 somethings are like this, just as I will assume you aren't saying all 40-50 somethings are like that.
Some of those 20 somethings can learn from someone like me...and yes, we are everywhere. We aren't the whiners and wailers and the ones who are so interested in making a million that we @!$%# on everyone else. And BTW, there are a lot of 20 somethings that do that.
I love my life, more so than I did when I was younger. I also voted for Obama, and I will again.
Maybe you should speak for yourself...
What the *uck are saying DUMB *SS? What makes u think I trust u? REPUDENTS were never JESUS-ee
It seemed the entire GOP response was so scripted they forgot to make changes as needed based off the President's speech. I am a republican but that was sad.
As a reformed Republican I agree with you. Ronald Reagan would never have responded or led like Mitch did. Really pathetic.
Let's give the President both credit for results to date as well as a real vision for the way forward together.
If this is how Daniels would have run a Prez campaign the thank God he stayed home as the cuckolded husband he is.
Oh, so Daniels is a cuckolded husband? Never mind, I just pulled up his picture.
I'm an independent, but tend to vote Democrat or even Green, and I appreciated your response. I also expected more from the GOP rebuttal and absolutely agree they would have benefitted from some last minute editing (Isn't that the advantage of speaking second?). While Obama struck a uniting, future oriented tone, Mr. Daniel's speech sounded more divisive, more "with us or against us." His argument for voting for the republicans or at least "against" Obama was not convincing. Thanks for sharing that you're a Republican. I hope you are treated with respect by those who disagree with you politically on this site!
"while obama struck a uniting future oriented tone" Obama wants us to be united by his total and complete control of every aspect of our lives. Obama and his socialist co-horts are out for complete control. He sounded like he wants to set up his kingdom -- he asked for more authority and power so can streamline the government... give me a break... sounds like a king or dictator to me. Obama has done more to divide this nation then any other president in modern history. Democrats and Republicans have failed the American people. The mess we are in is our own making. We have allowed it to happen.We the People have sit on the sidelines and thought ... not in America,never in America.. problem is , it is happening in America. No more. "We the People" it's time to step up to the plate and take back our country, take it from the leftist,socialist crowd. They have already taken total control of our schools (a.k.a. indocrination camps)and making our kids dumber and dumber. If you want the government to control every aspect of your life, then vote for Obama... but remember, you will have to live with his control of your life. His crowd has created generational proverty with their socialist agenda, it that what you want... everybody will be on government welfare entitlement... that is what Obama wants, it that what you want.
Seriously, what planet do you people live on. We are 15 trillion dollars in debt. Obama has spent more money than every other president combined. Bush spent a lot but Obama was elected to fix it. He has made it exponentially worse. How much more damage and debt does he have to do before you at least question his competency. God help us if he gets four more years.
cheaptrick, get rid of the mattress and get a real job. President Obama was elected to fix what Bush did, you are correct about that sentence. How was he supposed to pay for the wars and medicare part D that Bush didn't pay for? It's called a Stimulus. How was President Obama to save the auto industry? It's called a Stimulus. Yes the debt is more, but if the Stimulus's weren't done, you think this country would be coming out of the precipice as it has? If you say yes, you ARE smoking something.
Cheaptrick100 - AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fantomdog Get a life. The stimulus saved GM and auto industry but still had to file bankruptcy anyway. What a waste of money. He should have pulled troops out the day he was elected.
BikeBoy-4484306 Maybe when you grow up you'll realize pulling out of Iraq while it was still unstable isn't such a good idea. Furthermore the bogeyman that was Osama bin Laden would still be hiding under your bed.
Bikeboy, the auto industry has paid back most of the Government loan they got and are still paying. How many jobs would have been lost, let alone the $'s lost if they went bankrupt and closed doors, let alone the satellite parts factories closed down and jobs lost? Waiting in anticipation for your answer, while you install a window in your navel to see the outside world better.
And when do the GM Bondholders who had their equity STOLEN from them by the federal government and saw it handed to the UAW get made whole?
Cheaptrick/Bikeboy Here's something to think about before you past judgment and to clarify some of your thinking.
If you really look at the debt, The majority of it came from funding the wars of GWB. If you remember they were not even budgeted for during the 8 years Bush was in office. When Obama was sworned in he had no choice but to budget for them which is why(in my opinion) the Democratic congress didn't pass a budget for while they had power. We were already $12 trillion dollars in debt BEFORE Obama was sworn in. I know that's hard to believe but it's true, look it up.
Also as you stated Obama was elected to "fix" what Bush created. The reality is that he didn't know how "grave" the state of the economy was in until he was sworn in. In my opinion, he has done as much and ANY person could have based on the strategy of the GOP to make him a one term president including saying no to just about any and everything they saw would make this country better. He could have and SHOULD have done more I agree but we are seeing progress nonetheless, painfully slow but progress.
As for the auto industry. If you remember they filed for bankruptcy BEFORE they received bailout money AND they have since repaid all that they have borrowed. We are still waiting on the big banks to repay theirs while they continue to pay out big bonus to their CEO's and who bailed them out???? President Bush before he left office.
Lastly, as for pulling out the troops when he was elected. That would have been political suicide as he knew we could not just pack up and leave with Bin Laden still out there. You have to be smart and concise and can't act hastily when it comes to military.
Iraq is still unstable even with our "non-troops" still there, no proof that GM would have lost anything without a bailout, crystal ball economics. Obama tried to put more regulations on gun owners stating than gun stores are selling guns to illegals, we found later it was his own administration letting the guns be sold. Over 400mil to a failing solar plant. Stimulus money targeted to unions to repay campaign contributions. Libya, millions of dollars in bombing campaigns, higher taxes on energy, fuel, further burdening the poor and under employed, still less people working than when he took office, price of everything up due to printing more money, inflation. Gitmo still open, less transparency in government. Now he wants to force business to support illegals with collage funds to give them citizenship after graduation. Continuous disregard of the Constitution, separation of powers, citizens rights.
Stop this!! Republicans caused a great deal of problems, they lost support and many of us have no trust in "the party" but to, not look at reality because your Anointed one is beyond reproach is stupidity.
Third Party!!!!!!!!!!
Gunsmith, GM wasn't the ONLY auto giant about to go under, but is now at the top, thanks to the stimulus. No proof? You saying all the dealerships that DID close down because of the impending industry collapse was a mirage? I'm sure you'll say that 'trickle-down' economics work too, eh? Libya, NO troops doing a ground war, yep, I'd spend millions flying drones into compounds and not shed one American soldiers' life, that's a no-brainer. The burdening of the poor, and now middle class, is the end product of Bush II's doing, no matter how many years he's been out of office. How many years you expect to take to gain what we've lost in 8 years, Gunsmith? Bush II was like an oven cooking food, and you want President Obama to act like a microwave oven, and get everything back to where it was, NOW. Then you mix President Obama with Rick Perry from TX, who has illegals going to college on the public dole. Get your facts straight before making such assinine accusations and statements about something you obviously don't know. Oh, and if you had watch the Holder hearings, you would have known what the FBI was trying to do, it didn't work the way they hoped it would have, to catch the gangs dealing with the gun trade into Mexico.
got a question here.... since when was it the government's responsibility to bail out a private business. Never ! If a business can't stand on it's own, it should be allowed to failed, that free market. If you bailout one business , then you should bailout all businesses.... sounds fair doesn't it.No business should be bailed out. I don't have much sympathy for the auto industry. They allowed the unions to collective bargain themselves out of business and jobs.
devisive would refer to the Republican party, since they have stalled all legislation aimed at bringing the economy back. They have continued to keep the temporary tax breaks for the rich and THEY have gutted the same Social Security and other entitlement programs and their way of "saving" them is to privatize our retirement plans and have us give weekly to Wall Street, because we all have seen how much money they made for everyone when the economy tanked at the end of the Bush presidency. We can put 30 or 40 years of savings into Wall Street and the only ones who will retire would be Wall Street, just like they always have.
And just how many of the bills passed by the House in 2011 made it off Harry Reid's desk to even get discussed in the senate?
It's going on from both sides Davey boy. Get your head out of your a_s_s and start understanding that both sides are playing the American people for fools while stuffing their own pockets and playing crony capitalism.
" ... made it off Harry Reid's desk to even get discussed in the senate? ... "
I am about to give you not just "an" answer, but "THE" answer.
None. That's right, I said none of them. Zero. Zip. Zilch and NOTA. Which is exactly how many that the House sent to the Senate that they knew that would.
Take Rep. Ryans budget as an example. It was crap. And Ryan and the Republicans knew that it was. And they knew that it wouldn't get to the floor of the Senate. That's why they passed it and sent it. To make the Democrats look bad. Good reason to pass bills. To make the other guy look bad.
Then there was the bill that passed the House that went to the Senate that said that the Senate didn't need to pass a bill sent to it from the House. That the bill would become law without the Senate passing it too. Why would Reid send something like that to the floor for a vote?
Or my personal favorite. The bill confirming that "In God we trust" is our nations motto. Huh? What? You have got to be kidding me. That bill should have gone to the floor of the Senate? Like they have nothing better to do?
When the House sends some real legislation, some serious work to the Senate, then Senator Reid will be more then willing to give it fair hearing. That is if Senator McConnell doesn't get in the way.
So until the House gets serious, which will never happen as long as the Republicans hold the House, nothing will leave Harry's desk. Because that is what it deserves.
Zero. Zip. Zilch and NOTA. Because that's what you do with crap. You scoop it up and put it in the garbage. Which is where it belongs.
When it came to reactions last night, Cronyn's (R-TX) had to be the Oscar winner. The minute the President stated that all subsidies to profitable corporations were to be under review, I thought Cronyn was going to fall on the floor. He knows what any investigations into how Big Oil spends all those tax subsides the rest of the states pay for just might uncover. And if there's anything those Big Oil Bois don't ever want, it's transparency.
If we pay for it, we have every right to know what they do with our tax dollars. Oooooweeeeee. Won't this just make Big Oil bois go apoplectic?
47.8 percent of households that receive food stamps are working.
GROVEL FOR THE CRIMINAL RULING CLASS SHEEPLE DRONES- GROVEL!
Republicans want lower taxes, a larger income gap; abolishment of the minimum wage, worker's rights, social safety nets, and government regulations; tort reform, arbitrary agreements, and corporate personhood.
In other words, they want the middleclass to merge with the poor, have no rights in the workplace, to a livable wage, protection from an unsafe work environment, the ability to sue their employer if they are harmed in an unsafe workplace, or protection if disabled or laid-off.
The Republicans want the American Dream to only be available to the wealthy (the new aristocrisy) while the middleclass (the new poor) are left to toil as wage-slaves and serfs.
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If President Obama doesn't get re elected we can kiss middle class America good-bye. The Republicans wanted more time to finish what Bush and Chenney started. If they had we'd ALL be in poverty. And we'd be starving and homeless too. No food stamps for the poor if they get back in the White House. Only the wealthy will be able to send their children to college. Public schools will be rotting to the ground and children will be working in sweat shops next to their parents to earn something to pay their taxes with. Anyone who believes they will not complete their plan to raise taxes on the middle class to support the tax cuts for themselves and the rest of the wealthy, wil have a rude awakening soon enough
Obama is elected 7 trillion more down the drain and you will be bankrupt. That will shut your pie hole up once and for all.
It's ironic that the Republic response was that the nation is grave and that their policies are the way back....wasn't it THEIR policies that put us into the hole in the first place? Do they mean that protecting the 1% at the expense of the 99% is the way back? Does that means tossing the elderly, the sick, and the underprivileged under a bus is the way back. I personally like the Christian nation President Barack Obama proposed last night over the Christian nation the Party of No has been trying to shove down our throats.
Slippery Sam #351.3: I totally agree with you. I can't help but notice that the Republicans are still bad mouthing the President, for spending the past few years buried in the results of what THE Repubs got us into in the first place. Obama came into office and the economy almost fell into Depression. Repairing what he was facing the first day in office takes time to fix. If left to the devises of the Repubs, we'd be back into the very same policies that got us into this situation in the first place!!
As for who they are offering as alternatives for Obama, I find it almost laughable. Newt for example, was removed from Speaker and fined by his own party. His morals are totally in question, as is his involvement with Fannie Mae, yet he admits his errors without shame, and expects all to be forgotten because all of a sudden he has found God? What a joke!!
We need to stick with President Obama and allow him to continue to make things right. Just look at the alternatives we're being offered.
You obama lovers are on drugs. So bush caused the housing bubble when clinton signed the bill doing away of the glass stegal act? Also Investment houses like aig got bailed out by OBAMA. He did not stop the flow of money...... THERE was no reason for it. Obama signed off. Did he do anything with Freddie or Fannae Mae? Did 1 person even go to jai for the housing mess? No. Where is my check? Fraud was committed. Come on teleprompter in chief and all you progressive deadbeats. Tell Me? Did he do anything to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. NO! Ever heard of natural gas or spending money on real infrasture like tax credits to retrofit service stations that pump gas? We have high gas prices and massive foreclosures. People got mad at bush for iraqi, but the congress voted for it as the CIA lied to Bush that they had weapons that were about to take out New York. If anyone should have hatred its for the CIA and bumbler we had at its head. He should have been taken out and shot for stupidity. Bushs defecit was somewhere around 4-5 hundred billion dollars per year. Not 1.6 trillion. Thats insanity. Yeah, we were losing jobs at the end of bushes tenure, but this new guy has done nothing to restore it except run up the bill. ! thats terrible.