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Subscribe to RSSMitt Romney's decisive win in New Hampshire makes him the first non-incumbent Republican to win both the New Hampshire primary and Iowa caucuses since Iowa began kicking off the party's nominating process in 1976. TODAY's Savannah Guthrie reports.
Updated at 10:12 p.m. ET
MANCHESTER, N.H. – Mitt Romney won the New Hampshire primary on Tuesday, scoring a decisive victory for the former Massachusetts governor in his bid for the Republican presidential nomination.
Texas Rep. Ron Paul finished second, ahead of former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, who came in third. Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich trail.
Romney’s victory provides a degree of vindication for the campaign's putative frontrunner following a bruising 48 hours for his operation before voting began in New Hampshire. His rivals piled on the former governor of neighboring Massachusetts during a Sunday debate on “Meet the Press,” seizing on his record at Bain Capital, and his recent comments that he knows what it’s like to fear being given a “pink slip.”
Romney rallied supporters shortly after polls closed with a message trained carefully on Obama, mindful of the looming general election matchup should he secure the nomination.
"The president has run out of ideas; now he's running out of excuses," Romney told cheering supporters. "And tonight, we're asking the good people of South Carolina to join the citizens of New Hampshire to make 2012 the year that he runs out of time."
And, in a pre-emptive shot at GOP competitors who are poised to attack his business record in South Carolina's pending primary, Romney said: "President Obama wants to put free enterprise on trial. In the last few days, we have seen some desperate Republicans join forces with him. This is such a mistake for our party and for our nation."
In his victory speech after winning the New Hampshire primary, Mitt Romney criticizes President Obama and contrasts his agenda with characterizations of Obama's time in office.
The second-place finisher, Paul, appeared exuberant in a speech following Romney's.
"There is no doubt that this whole effort that we are invovled in will not go unnoticed, let me tell you," Paul told enthusiastic supporters in Manchester. Paul said that Romney's win was "clear cut," but called the results a victory for the libertarian movement he's worked to build in recent years, too.
The results are poised to drive a kind of gap between Romney, and the rest of the Republican field. New Hampshire’s results indicate that -- still -- no single candidate has been able to coalesce support by posturing themselves as the conservative alternative to the former Massachusetts governor.
Romney won Tuesday with a coalition of voters who thought electability and the economy were most important. Just over a third of voters in today’s primary said a candidate’s ability to beat Obama was the top issue in deciding their vote, according to exit poll data. Of those voters, 59 percent went for Romney.
Voters who said they were concerned about the economy also sided with Romney, who also won self-described conservatives and even Tea Party voters -- two blocs that had seemed disinclined to support Romney in last week’s Iowa caucus, in which the former Massachusetts governor scraped by with an 8-vote win. Sixty-one percent of voters said the economy was their top issue. Of them, 42 percent went for Romney.
For Romney, tonight’s results were a matter of meeting (if not beating) expectations. He had built this contest into a kind of firewall for his campaign, and worked to fight off complacency among his supporters this week.
"Let me tell you: Don’t get too confident with those poll numbers," he said at a Saturday rally in Derry. "I've watched poll numbers come and go things change very quickly its very fluid. I need to make sure you guys get your friends to go out and you vote as well."
But for as much as Romney had been expected to win New Hampshire, it only raised the stakes for an undercard battle between Paul and Huntsman for second place, with each seeking a burst of momentum heading down to South Carolina and its Jan. 21 primary.
Huntsman’s campaign had anecdotally claimed a late surge among voters, particularly independents, in the closing days and weeks of the campaign. A strong performance in particular at Sunday’s NBC News/Facebook debate on “Meet the Press” appears to have moved some voters in his direction.
2012 GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul, celebrates his second place finish in the New Hampshire primary with supporters and emphasizes the message of liberty in his campaign.
Exit poll data seemed to lend credence to the notion of some "Huntsmentum." Of voters who decided in the last 10 days, Romney wins -- at 31 percent -- but Huntsman trails at 22 percent.
"Ladies and gentlemen, I think we're in the hunt!" Huntsman declared in his speech, vowing to fight on in South Carolina. "I'd say third place is a ticket to ride ... We've proved the point that this state wants candidates to earn it the old-fashioned way."
Paul, meanwhile, has leaned on the same brew of disenchanted independents, libertarians and young voters that he'd relied on in last week's caucus to fuel his campaign. But that formula led Paul to a somewhat disappointing third place finish in the Iowa.
Almost half of voters aged 18-29, who made up 12 percent of the electorate, favored Paul.
Independent and undeclared voters also appear to be playing a role in tonight’s outcome. Those voters made up about 47 percent of today’s electorate, a higher proportion than 1996, which was the last time Granite State voters went to the polls with only a Republican presidential primary on the ballot.
Of those independent voters, Romney and Paul tied at 30 percent, and Huntsman won 24 percent, according to early exit poll data.
But no candidate has indicated yet that they’ll drop out before South Carolina’s Jan. 21 primary, a contest dominated by conservatives.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry is betting on those of socially conservative and evangelical Christian voters in the Palmetto State to resuscitate his campaign; he skipped New Hampshire altogether and spent the past week in South Carolina. And Santorum, after having battled Romney to a virtual tie in Iowa, split time in the past week between New Hampshire and South Carolina, the latter of which could prove more hospitable to his message.
Maybe no other candidate’s fortunes will be shaped more by tonight’s outcome, though, than Gingrich.
The former House speaker has all but abandoned his pledge to run a positive campaign in the past week and has doggedly pursued Romney, tarring him as a “timid Massachusetts Moderate,” and seizing on the restructuring work Bain Capital, which Romney co-founded, had done that resulted in layoffs.
"Let me put in context where we are. We have an opportunity, I think, to unify the country around a message of jobs, economic growth and very dramatic programs," Gingrich said in his speech. "This campaign is going to go onto South Carolina and we're going to offer the American people something very different."
Those are also arguments being voiced by a super PAC spending on Gingrich’s behalf in the Palmetto State, a preview of the nastiness that awaits the candidates in South Carolina. That primary has predicted the eventual GOP nominee in each election since its inception in 1984, and candidates are already spending millions of dollars to go on-air to compete in that contest in just 10 days.
And another pivotal primary, in Florida, waits just another 10 days later, when Sunshine State voters hold their primary.
While that state is more centrist overall, Florida’s primary is closed to Republicans only and awards all of its delegates to the winner of the contest, raising the stakes for the Jan. 31 primary.
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Is it over yet?................my head hurts..........
The party of cannibals...of each other and the current American Middle Class.
They shrugged the Working Class off back in 1980.
They hate Gubiment unless they can control its regulations and purse strings to enrich the already 1%.
I guess, Gubiment is good for the Party of No.
Those not voting Romney or Huntsman, please vote for Rick Perry. I'm hoping Perry beats Blingrich but bad to make this pig go away....
I hope they all stay in and stick it out. The whole game is gonna change when they get to the Southern States. I think that's where Romney will finally faulter, and the nomination will go to the last Republican standing. However, President Obama will be re-elected in a landslide.
Obama / Biden 2012
The Republicans are still smarting from Obama winning the last election. Romney has nice hair, looks presidential, but that's just about it.
Knowing citizens of MA, they are having a difficult time complimenting him as governor. Their comments come out as criticisms.
And, the parade goes on.....
Where's Feisty?
The Ron Paul Revolution is rolling along!
Why do some people fear change so much?
Does Jesus like war or peace?
Why does Flip Romney change the amount of gray in his hair every other week?
Does anyone really care? Nice to see a thread without that troll on it.
I may not agree with what Feisty says or stands for most of the time, but she has every right to her opinions.
TO: Zorro-1926368 who wrote:
She probably had a warm glass of milk and took a nap.
No doubt she'll be back up once the polls close in New Hampshire.
So Mitt Romney won in New Hampshire! Wow! Enjoy your glory while it last. President Obama will take away that smile!
Time for Santorum and Perry to buy a ticket home, or they can just ride the dump truck on the top. That would be more appropriate for them....Ciao!
Arsenic and Old Lace....... a great piece of literature.
Enough.
Paul should go third party. The Dempublicans are a sick joke.
@ jollyoldsoul:
I love to have fans!
I kind of miss Herman......he was fun....
Space OOOO -
I certainly hope Paul does go third party! That'll fix things.
SuzQ, a Paul third party run is the only way Oblama wins the election.
Laura: I was proud to give you a thumbs up, put you over the top and give you the star on that one.
I'm from Texas, and I'm sooooOOOOoooooo happy to see that Perry is well ahead of Bachmann....by 1%!
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! Hummm, is that 100% improvement, or just 1%? Higher math always eluded me! :OP
[kidding, of course....as Perry is a poor excuse for someone with nice hair] lol!!!
The auctioning of the USA begins ...sold to the highest bidder ! This is not the beginning of an election ... its and auction !
And the highest bidder is..... " I like to fire people" Romney !
The GOP would take Paul's nomination like Alfalfa and Spanky taking castor oil. Let's hope the South goes for Paul. I want this to stay interesting. Giving the nomination to Mr. Corporate Raider is so predictable and boring.
Mitt Flip Flop Romney, the CORPERTE RAIDER and one time governor of Liberal Mass. Has supported Abortion, Gay Rights, Gun Control, Stem Cell Research and has reverse himself on all of these issues.
He took both sides on the financial bailout, the stimulus bill, the auto loan package;
His biggest Flip-Flop of all Health Care Reform The national Law is modeled on the one that he championed as governor in Mass that requires every citizen to have health insurance. Now he has Flipped-Flopped Mr. Flop has taken a hard slide to the right pandering to the tea party.
Mitt Flip-Flop Romney, a wishy-washy, flip flopping politician without any core convictions, principals or believes a man who will say or do anything to get elected telling one crowd one thing and another crowd another. You simply can’t trust this guy to tell you the truth.
The only good thing that would happen if Flip-Flop were to get elected It would prove that Conservatism is dead as Flip-Flop would stab the Conservatives in the back.
Hey Mr. FLOP you like to fire people YOU'RE FIRED!
Mitt Flip Flop Romney LMAO!
Congratulations Mr. Romney. He's now giving his second uninspiring "I won" speech. He threw out the requisite "red meat" implying President Obama isn't one of us. Still waiting for Mr. Mitt to tell voters what he plans to do instead of telling voters lies about President Obama. Works like this, Mitt, sooner or later you have to be for something not just against someone. Oh, wait, Mitt can't be for something because he doesn't know which something to support.
The thing that got me was he enjoys firing people these man has no soul, and I was thinking of voting for him but that thought is now out of my mind, I'll vote Obama as a last resort this coming election .....
Again reading these posts show the Democrats are afraid of Romney. If they were actually sure Obama can beat him hands down as they say, then they would welcome his wins. Democrats are showing their fears.
Let's see how long it takes the Democrats to collapse this. Last time I said this, it was collapsed in 17 minutes. And no restore from MSNBC even though it is just my opinion without violating their code of conduct.
Wow, didn't really think Ron Paul was going to make 2nd place finish, well done.
Looks like Ron Paul may become the only Romney alternative, Newt is getting clobbered, he definitely did worse in New Hampshire than I figured.
Hard to believe, Gingrich does well in national polls. I suspect the Newt or Huntsman drops out next.
Rick,
He never said he enjoys firing people. That is the media and Gingrich, look it up. And by the way, Ron Paul came out in defense of Romney today, saying that anyone who syas these things either just want to say it even though it is not true, or they don't understand how finances work. I have to say, I wasn't paying to much attention to Paul until he did that. Shows he is honest, caring, and wants to keep the campaign positive, unlike Gingrich. I will start listening to Paul more because of it.
hey middle class no more
this isnt fear
we are just pointing out how dumb they are >.>
saying so, is it ok since you conservatives like to point out obama in fear? real moron, you guys only look in one direction.
for somone called middle class no more, i see the irony, you can only go up or down from that status
which side are you pulling on?
or is it both? since you guys like to pick which ever side has the most sugar coning
You're slipping, Jody. I got the email about the entire GOP implying that Obama "isn't one of us" yesterday.
There was actually an article on it today- I'm surprised it took you this long to post on it.
also, do people really care about this?
the media is going way too hyped over this story
hes gonna win the republican race to ultimatly lose to obama, obama whos not even trying to campaign. you need only look at the republican debates and LUAGH!
Americans don't vote. The numbers are getting worse every 4 years. Iowa ran under 4% of the population who cared enough for our land to go vote. This N.H. total is looking like under 3% of the population. EVERY 4 years it is worse. If I can live another 20 years I should be able to vote myself and my brother as the only candidates for President with one vote each since no one cares. Then the media can tell you to do your part for your country and go vote in the general election.
The founding fathers shed blood, formed a government agreement that created the best & free republic country in all of history, and todays citizens are willing to just give it all away in one generation.
By the way, here's the link to the David Corn article
http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/01/new-hampshire-gop-obama-primary-attack
Headline? Something to the effect of GOP paints Obama as not one of us.
I swear, if any member of the Obama cult ever had an original thought, it would die of loneliness.
While its really hard to understand what anyone see,s in Obama,Romney votes like a democrat so you really wont lose.Just the country. Ron Paul the only decent american running should be president.
The Change is coming!!!
America the Beautiful. Prosperity, common sense, and Hope.
Woo Hoo!!!!
Non-insignificant? Is that anything like "a significant"?
Im an independent and the prospect of Romney becoming president scares me. If my two options are either Romney or Obama im voting thrid party.
It's nice to see Huntsman getting some press. I find him to be the most interesting of the GOP bunch.
While Ron Paul is a bit on the extreme side, he is not in the least an 'inside the beltway' politician. Surprisingly, I find myself in agreement with a lot of his statements about our government and some of his proposed solutions. He doesn't flinch or dodge issues and doesn't mince his words. Trouble is, like Obama, his own party would be a major obstacle. Otherwise, he is the best choice. Romney's business model demonstrated how to line your pockets at taxpayer expense. We have already seen enough on that theme to last a few decades at least. 2012 looks like the year of Mickey Mouse to me; same as 'none of the above'.
He a too old racist moneyed spoiler with an ego the size of texas. When will we see the last of Paul . Now we have his halfwit teaparty son to put up with. Oh well theyre good for comic relief. Youngsters dont let this I got mine screw you fool you he's a neocon white bigot from the great state of egos. He cant wait to throw all poor and middle class under the bus.
sockurmouth,
Simply put, if the Dems think Obama can beat Romney as they suggest in these comments, then why are they working so hard to downgrade Romney? Wouldn't it be in their best interest to get behind Romney to insure a win for Obama? I contend they are a little afraid of Romney.
For clarification, I'm an Independent, and I see no real viable choice with anyone in the upcoming election, including Obama. Middle class no more, means I think the middle class will cease to exist no matter who wins this fall.
jvb87:
What if there is no 3rd party---you will be either endorsing Obama or Romney with a 3rd party vote!
It equals out.
Think with your head, not your heart.
Does anyone even care that two small states that does not represent the make up of the American population decides on who will run? Just asking.
No matter how well Paul places in these caucuses/primaries, he will never be the RePUPS nominee! He is not a war monger; that will never do! He has some good ideas, if we were a nascent nation having our first burp after a forced feeding. The American public is a bit too sophisticated for some of his dark ages rhetoric. It would be impossible to manage a country the size of America and all its holding without a strong military presence at home and abroad. We need schools also because America has changed since the days when parents had the time to home school their children. With both parents working these days, it simply wouldn't work! Like John Paul-Jones and Paul Revere; Ron Paul's time has passed and he cannot float his ideas even among the RePUPS! He needs to drop out, along with the rest of the ReSuck's field.
NBC and MSNBC...
Only 40% of the vote has been counted... How can you declare a winner? Whats so wrong with waiting till 100% of the vote is in eh?
AMAZING!!!!!!
Just came from the 'good news for cannibas smokers' thread - full of mellow people. Seems pot has been found not to decrease lung capacity. Good news. And then I came over into this snarky political thread - one of many with repeat performers playing endless 'bad ass' and the 'so smart they're stupid' roles - many regulars armed with cheap, mostly left jabs. It becomes real obvious you have to take a hiatis from this kind of real life drudge report and shower it off. But I want to say a thanks to Ron Paul first - for getting back out there for us today, so often he's pushed down in the dirt for us. Thanks for speaking out. For speaking truth to lies. Great showing tonight! We'll all be back on the bus first thing tomorrow. We're going all the way down the road, across the country and into the White House beside you. Ron Paul 2012!
There is only one candidate that offers TRUE CHANGE for America, between BOTH political parties, that is Ron Paul.
Ron Paul does not have the main stream bought and paid for media behind him, and hence is being played as some kind of "nut" in that media.
Ron Paul has captured the imagination of the young and future voters and RAND PAUL, will eventually run for president, if it is not to late then for this country.
For true change, vote PAUL 2012 - Put America and Americans First!
Romney is a lost cause with the majority of republicans let alone independents and disenfranchised dems Ron Paul is the only hope for this ruined government our country has created. it is up to Americans to lift ron up and stop the media and socialist government from bankrupting our birthright!
How the hell can anyone vote for a candidate who pulled out of the race. It just proves the craziness in the corporate controlled GOP. Now they have a Mormon for a candidate who is willing to pour billions more into our war machine he can put fear in other countries. It seems that the Corporate puppets not only use fear in our country but now they want to use fear to dominate the world. He also wants us all to have the same American dream he has achieved but he forgets that very few of us have a billionaire as a father to give us an elite start in life. Most Americans would be happy with a fair playing field for all. BTW, I hope Romney gets the puppets nomination because Romney would be beneficial in ensuring another term for Obama. I would be more concerned if crazy Ron Paul won. If Romney wins proves one more time that even the presidency can be bought.
JC Breeze :yes, much better it is to loose all our rights as we are, have no protection at home because our men and women are stretched thin all over the world helping the rich guys bully the little guys into doing what they want. It is an out of date idea to want freedom, money that's worth something, and a government that is not a puppet to corporations and picking our pockets. as a matter of fact how dare we even get offended that we now must get felt up at the airport, get permits to protest, or get laser tagged if we question a politician on the wrong topic. You are so right. Keep signing those bills Obama, the time for freedom has passed after all.
Hawaii2:
Your type of thinking is why George Washington warned us in his farewell address to never adopt a two party system. If more people thought with thier heads instead of following whatever their party told told them to vote for, we would have alot more qualified Presidents then what we end up with.
If Obama wins again the smart thing to do for anyone that is not on the dole to sell up, sell out and get the hell otu of Dodge because Communism is on it's way.
Looks like I'm going to be moving to Canada. I'm sick and tired of seeing Americans rip each other to shreds, especially online.
Winker-2891142:
Obama isn't exactly innocent when it comes to "supporting the war machine". Last I checked we are still at war in Afghanistan, and Obama wants to concentrate troops around China to make them "fear us" (although this is actually just pissing them off instead). Besides Ron Paul, there really is no other candidate that actually wants to end all foreign conflicts.
Gingrich is doing Romney a favor by attacking him over Bain Capital because it will make it 'old news' by the time Obama tries to beat him up over it.
Were some people laid off by Bain Capital in their attempt to save companies from bankruptcy? - YES, but in looking at the overall record, they added a net of over 100,000 new jobs.
What has Obama done - Oh yes, I forgot about the 60 or so 'Czars' that he hired at the White House.
mary p "If Obama wins again the smart thing to do for anyone that is not on the dole to sell up, sell out and get the hell out of Dodge because Communism is on it's way."
That's a bit extreme, but one thing is for sure - With Obama's penchant for borrowing and spending, massive inflation will soon follow.
Under Jimmy Carter, the $Dollar lost over 30% of its value to inflation in just 4 years, and Carter was FAR more fiscally conservative than Obama is.
Romney may have the numbers but Ron Paul's supporters had 10 times more enthusiasm than Romney's.
Clearly Romney is going to win this nomination and IMHO he is no match for Obama. You know why? It's because he is a Robot. He can't connect. Period. Obama may have many faults but he is similar to Dubya in one respect - he connects with his base just like Dubya did with his base.
As per Ron Paul, democrats should be ashamed that Ron Paul is speaking to the issues that Democrats should really be talking to. For what it's worth Ron Paul is doing a great service to American politics by bringing a fresh and truly independent perspective that is in the interest of American people. Interestingly, the American ideal he espouses so much, will also serve the entire world much better than what either Dems or Reps are offering.
Ron Paul talks a good story, but you should check out how he votes. Ron helped to create this deficit when he has voted every time for tax cuts even in war time. He acts like he doesn't want the corporations in charge and then voted for the billion dollar oil companies to keep their special tax cuts. With that vote he gave the oil corporations more money and more power to influence whatever they want.
For the people he voted against increasing the minimum wage. That vote says I'm for the people right?
Can't forget the great pacifist. The last two times he had the opportunity to vote to end the war in Iraq, the first time he didn't. The second time he voted with the republicans to keep the war going with no end in sight. The deadline bill passed and then Bush vetoed it, but Ron wouldn't even vote to end the war when he had a chance.
Ron Paul's every vote is for the 1% just like the rest of the republicans. Check out his votes and not the words coming out of him mouth for the real truth.
And as an extra bonus, Aleithia, you'll get "cradle to grave" healthcare to boot!
Zorro and American Girl , Feisty just called. She got delayed on the the way back from the package store. She might not be able to state her opinions tonight. She said she'll leave it up to you all to award green stars to each other for mundane questions like "Where's Feisty ?" Peace . ABO 2012.
@ Laura Uh this is a liberal newsvine and that makes you the Troll.
....Give it a rest!....
I may not agree with what Feisty says or stands for most of the time, but she has every right to her opinions.''.......Are you joking {feisty rathead from rochelle} is nothing but a TROLL with nothing of substance to add only hate and insults {feisty the TROLL} should be BANNED!
witchking, are you kidding, you and any Romney criticizer's are very unread and very ignorant, Mitt Romney is a man of integrity and deep conviction with tons of true charater, anyone that knows him has total respect and admariation for him in all areas of his life. this broken country is priviliged to have such a true human offering his skills to help this country get better. look deeper and you need to have a personal change of heart to see goodness staring you in the face.
does anyone believe the results of the rigged electronic voting machines by proven thieves and confimined liers.i gotta wonder
Mitt "corporations are people too" Romney wants to divide up America and sell it off.
"We the people" would mean corporations under Mitt Romney.
Who wants a sellout.
Mercy! So much strained emotion. So many shadows. So many rumors. So much money. So many empty sacks. So little substance. Poor, poor republicans!
^^^^
This post made me laugh. I found the part about Mitt Romney integrity very entertaining. This qoute reminds me of Mr. Romney "A man generally has two reasons for doing a thing. One that sounds good, and a real one" ~J.Pierpoint Morgan
All the effort, all the debates, all the backstabbing, all the money spent...just so the GOP nominee can get massacred in the November election, when it counts...
middle class no more - First of all don't take the collapsing personally, especially if your post is part of a thread. I tend to think most people click on the + to see what prompted the collapse. If you do take it personally that would indicate you either have an inflated ego or persecution complex. Next if in fact you are an independent and you claim it makes makes no difference who wins why bother commenting, are you for anyone? Try selling that candidate! Now you should be aware that the subject matter is politics, it doesn't matter who wins take your pick, we Democrats will bash them, makes no difference who it is. If the Democrats were in same situation the pubbies would be bashing our candidates. Its just partisan bashing, nothing more, nothing less. That "afraid" bit is just lame and delusional.
Laura- Lay off of my girl Feisty. She's sexy. I am in love. I want to marry her, but she won't respond.
Congratulations Mr. Romney,,,errr Mr. President (to be).
Even though we Conservatives realize you are not everything this great nation needs to correct nearly 100 years of damage that Liberalism/Progressivism has caused, we do understand the need to rid ourselves of the embarrassment trespassing in our White House.
As real Americans will finally come to realize the Great Mistake of 2008 must end. The irrational infatuation of our current Incompetent-in-Chief is finally waning as America and the world realize what a hoax this administration has been. It’s encouraging to see American's finally waking from their drunken stupor of "Hopey Changey" to realize that it was never going to happen because our current Corrupter-In-Chief never had, and still doesn't have, a clue.
America needs a strong real American leader who understands both the public AND private sector. Your experience in both is incredibly stronger than anything the Community Organizer could even wish to achieve. Liberalism/Progressivism has failed miserably, it's time for true Conservative values to finally return us to being the "Shining City on the Hill". American exceptionalism must be restored and American mediocrity eliminated.
God Bless you, and God Bless America.
For those wondering where the redhead is, it's clear that she only posts while she's working. Which means that she doesn't work while she's working. No wonder she's a die-hard lib.
was there ever any doubt romney was going to win new Hampshire.boring.in a word thats romney.boring.romneys suggestion that we get tough with china and their trade surplus is about the only appealing thing ive heard him say.right now id take a feces covered sock puppet over obama.and it looks like thats what were going to get
@witchrunner.pretty weak comment
I just couldn't listen to all of Romney's speech. I just don't have enough No Doze on hand to stay awake through Mit Yawnny's speech. Also caffine can become addictive, so perhaps best not to get a headache the day after his speech :p
tbh, perhaps Mass voters who weren't thrilled with him, could perhaps market him as a cure for insomnia. Tapes of Mit droning on, would likely put insomniac's back to sleep. Might actually help the country become more rested by the morning /rofl
Obama won the in 2008 because of the indecisive white vote.. We need a change more now than we did then, why beat a dead horse.
The political media is a joke.
Just put people like feisty on your blocked list, That is what I did/do. That way her/their verbal diarrhea will not be visible when you come here to read real, unbiased remarks...
Daddy-O55
Ron Paul is the only hope for this ruined government our country has created. it is up to Americans to lift ron up and stop the media and socialist government from bankrupting our birthright!
Look Daddy-O,
Can you get your head out of Ron Paul's A-hole?
It's racist for Ron Paul to say the Civil War should have been avoided by buying the slave that way no lives would been lost.
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/273452/20111228/ron-paul-2012-civil-war-lincoln-gop.htm
Is that equal justice camouflaged in fiscal conservatism? I think not. From my perspective it is another of Ron Paul's witch's brew for covert, isolatative, kooky, old, lying homophobic, segregationist (racism).
Ron Paul is a kook because his racism is inflicting poison on our future; our youth whose energy he has duped with America's war weariness. I've yet to see a person of color in his camp. I Googled and saw none.
Ron Paul is a racism by inflicting a deleterious affect on our future youth; amongst his other crazy stances such as his wheel barrow theory of using coins instead of money and end the Fed.
Paul told CNBC this morning that reduction of interest rates on dollars drawn off the swap lines amount to U.S. taxpayers buying Greek debt.
That’s not true, of course: the dollar-Euro swaps have fixed maturities ranging from 7 to 84 days, and the Europeans pay the Fed interest when they swap the Euros and give us dollars back. But why let a few facts get in the way of ideology.
Go ahead push your coins on a wheel barrow to the banks.LOL
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2011/11/30/fed-keeps-trying-to-save-europes-banks-ron-paul-frowns/#ixzz1j7zPmUQm
How do you explain Dr Paul's speech @ the John Birch Society?
Ron Paul At the 50th Anniversary of JBS
Sep 28, 2011
http://www.jbs.org/birchtube/viewvideo/1007/constitution/ron-paul-at-the-50th-anniversary-of-jbs
Or Ron Paul Endorsed By Former KKK Grand Wizard
January 03, 2012
http://www.bilerico.com/2012/01/ron_paul_endorsed_by_former_kkk_leader.php
How about Ron Paul, pictured with Don Black, director of the white nationalist website Stormfront, and his son, Derick?
http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/12/should-glenn-greenwald-have-to-own-the-ron-paul-blue-plate-special/
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Do you need more proof he is poison?
phinephancy-4252115,
The reason why both Iowa and New Hampshire are so important because it sets the stage for the other states. If someone who is an ardent ______— supporter, but that candidate does not take either Iowa or New Hampshire, that person may very well reconsider their choice for the party's nominee because of that.
To the Ron Paul commentators: I hear a lot of loud Ron Paul supporters, but if that is the case, then why isn't he winning either Iowa or New Hampshire? I don't believe he has won a primary to date, but correct me if I am wrong. The problem is not with the paid media, but with the voters. Most GOP voters just don't believe in his ideology.
Mitt Romney's wins do not surprise me. First, he is the most experienced candidate of them all: this is the second time he is running for president. Ronald Reagan ran for president twice too. He will most likely be the GOP presidential nominee (a 99.9 percent chance) unless, god forbid, he becomes extremely ill or deceased.
I will have to see how our economy is doing come November before I make my decision. I think both men are smart, but it will ultimately come down to who can better lead our country out of this mess, and the stats next November will help me decide that.
Ron Paul Ron...
Hey, Beverly, when the last time you washed your dreadlocks ? Play your cards closer to your vest. You will only continue to damage your case. Thanks. :)
Andrew,
Have you considered the relationship between the "paid media" you described and its effect on the voters? Perhaps the reason more voters don't choose Ron Paul is because the media chooses to spin every word out of Ron Paul's mouth. Just a suggestion.
Sir A,
The economy is improving, despite zero help from McConnell et al. They hurt our economy badly over the debt ceiling, just ask S & P. They hurt our economy when they refuse to let Jobs Bills come to the floor; they obstructed two jobs bills earlier this year, and recently blocked the American Jobs Act 3 times. Each time they refused to allow the AJA to be debated. The AJA will create 2 million jobs, but the affluent GOP/Koch would prefer not to do so.
GOP has been filibustering at 3 times the pace ever seen in US history, just begging the Senate to do nothing and not act to improve the economy.
Jobs create revenues. Passing the AJA and allowing 2 million citizens to go back to work, pay their bills and feed their families; would have taken the edge of GOP's refusal to allow our very wealthiest citizens to pay an equal effective tax rate. More data is becoming public on the very wealthiest corporations paying zero taxes thanks to loopholes and special deals that ordinary people do not have access to.
Yes our President - with GOP kicking and screaming - saved our economy from droppping down into a Great Depression. Thanks to President Obama's working with everyone, the Auto industry is on the up and up across the board - Romney wanted to let the auto industry tank and take millions of jobs and related businesses down with it.
PacemParabellum
Hey, Beverly, when the last time you washed your dreadlocks ? Play your cards closer to your vest. You will only continue to damage your case. Thanks. :)
PacemParabellum,
You have the ability to see things that are NOT in your view like dreadlocks and me. You are definitely a hallucinogenic right wing nut job.
What do dreadlocks have to do with a primary; IDIOT?
Backhouse
The economy is improving, despite zero help from McConnell et al.
Backhouse,
Here is what McTurtle did before the President could raise his hands to take the Oath Of Office:
~SNIP~
Before the health care fight, before the economic stimulus package, before President Obama even took office, Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican minority leader, had a strategy for his party: use his extensive knowledge of Senate procedure to slow things down, take advantage of the difficulties Democrats would have in governing and deny Democrats any Republican support on big legislation.
In the process, Mr. McConnell, 68, a Kentuckian more at home plotting tactics in the cloakroom than writing legislation in a committee room or exhorting crowds on the campaign trail, has come to embody a kind of oppositional politics that critics say has left voters cynical about Washington, the Senate all but dysfunctional and the Republican Party without a positive agenda or message.
Mr. McConnell said the unity was essential in dealing with Democrats on “things like the budget, national security and then ultimately, obviously, health care.”
On the wall of his private Senate office, where most lawmakers hang photographs of themselves with presidents and dignitaries, Mr. McConnell instead has framed originals of venomous editorial cartoons that portray him in most unflattering terms.
Mr. McConnell, who was first elected to the Senate in 1984 with the help of a Roger Ailes-produced advertisement [FOX NOISE'S CREATOR OF THE FEAR FACTORY] that showed bloodhounds searching for his opponent, has had his ups and downs as a leader
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/us/politics/17mcconnell.html?pagewanted=all
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McTurtle is a backstabber. Backstabbers smile in your face and stab you in the back all at the same time!!!
Beverly , you are right I was an idiot for bringing up something you mentioned about yourself in the past. Unless you were joking. Sorry.
I am not an idiot for calling you out on the race card. Your little posse loves to berate anyone who disagrees. Why even bother to have a discussion group at all ? It must be your idea of fun to just pat each other on the back and never have to present valid ideas.
it sure wouldn't be any fun to just agree with everyone else, right or wrong. You wouldn't be able to see both sides of an issue.
Peace
Ron Paul take the South? I can think of nothing less likely.
The Mainstream media is lying to you.
I have spent time in the camps of OWS and Occupy Boston.
THEY DO NOT SUPPORT OBAMA!!!!
They aren't all a single voting bloc, but most of the protesters I spoke with who had a political candidate....
Well, they want Ron Paul.
They are disillusioned with Obama, as am I. Obama is like Bush on steroids. He cut Food Stamps by 29 Billion to give the money to the states to "save or create jobs". He cut Medicare by 500 Billion as part of his healthcare reform. His tax cut specifically targets funding for Social Security, and according to the center for Tax Policy, 60% of the benefit of the tax cut will go to people makinf 100k or more per year.
And now he signed the NDAA. It repeals the Posse Comitatus, so The President is now allowed to deploy US Soldiers in the US, against US Citizens. It allows for indefinite detention, in direct violation of The Constitution.
Do you have more than 7 days worth of food in your house? Congratulations! You ARE now a terrorist!
All returning US Servicemen and women will now be placed on a terrorist watch list. Thanks for your service!
Ron Paul has strong support among the youth... you would not beleive how much. That chips away at Obama's base.
Ron Paul has tremendous support among the "buyers remorse" democrats, like myself,
who didn't get what they were promised, not even close... that chips away more of Obama's base.
Ron Paul has tremendous support among Independents.
All people who were previously Obama's voting base. That chips away more of Obama's base. The Independents will DECIDE this election!
He will also get the Republican vote, or the "ABO" vote if he wins the republican nomination.
Fox news is smearing him. OMSNBC/GE is smearing him. All the Senate and House are against him.
That should tell you all you need to know.
The Big Money hates and fears him. GOOD!
Ron Paul will end corporate money in politics. Ron Paul is against abortion, but he is also against the Federal Government imposing that opposition on you. He will never meddle in your reproductive rights, regardless of his personal views.
Ron Paul is NOT RACIST!!! When he was practicing medicine in Texas he was one of the only doctors that would deliver black babies or provide pre natal care to black mothers. Google it! You tube it!
Ron Paul IS NOT AN ISOLATIONIST! He just wants us to bring home the troops, and spend our money at home, to make things better for the American People. He believes in WAR, we should go in, kick a$$, and get out again. Only when Congress declares war. No more "police actions". No more nation building, unless it's the US.
75% of military personnell support Ron Paul's foriegn policy. The people who actually fight our battles agree with his foriegn policies! Think about that for a second.
Ron Paul cannot be bought or sold. He has been saying the exact same things for over 40 years
Ron Paul BELIEVES IN WHAT HE IS SAYING!!!!
He does not flip flop, he does not pander, he does not say different things to different groups of people, he does not say he was "misquoted"... he is consistent as hell!
A vote for Obama or Romney is a vote for more of the same.
Romney and Obama are 2 sides of the same coin, bought and paid for. BOTH have Goldman Sachs as thier highest campaign contributor!
Only Ron Paul can deliver the change we thought we were getting the last time around.
Ron Paul 2012!
Ron Paul? The libertarian that wants the old west to be the new west?
Ok, lets look a little into a what-if future. We know he wants to close 5 branches of government. Did he really say EPA?
We already have a fillibuster House. The Senate would be the next fillibuster with Paul. What could he really get done to help the middle class? Deregulation? Unprotect citizens? Abolish amendments?
Seriously, there isn't a republican anywhere to answer me that one question... How will he help the middle class?
Obama winning in a landslide American Girl??? I think you overestimate your lord and masters appeal. Whether you like him or not, Mitt Romney is the only one who can put this "obama era". to an end. He will get the moderate vote and the disenchanted Democrats. I used to support Ron Paul. Until this election. He is almost as scary as Obama, just in a different way. But he has followers. And if he runs third party, he has sealed the deal for Obama. He needs to quit being such an egotistical ass and support his party against the single worst president in American history. If any republican candidate runs third party, Obama will be reelected. The key to this election is find the best candidate to beat that monster in the White house. Now a president who feels he can appoint commisioners without anyone elses approval. He despises everything American. If he could pull off dictatorship without a full scale civil war, he would. So the Republicans need to FULLY support whoever brings down the Republican nomination, who I think will be Romney. Even the enlightened one (Ron Paul), or we might as well rename America the United Socialist States of America. Because that is where we are headed if Obama is reelected.
It already IS the USSA. Where have you been the last few decades?
Let me see if I understand this, the people who oppose a mandate to buy health insurance just nominated a guy who was for a mandate before he was against it? Wow my head is spinning, did the insurance industry buy off the voters?
Beverly Those who come from chicago should not cast stones. Remember Obamas relationship with the reverend wright and the other radicals? At least Ron Paul has knowledge of and a healthy respect for the constitution. They probably threw the constitution out with the introduction of communism in chicago however many of us still believe in it! Go Paul
Why not the American people already voted in someone who campaigned on opposing a federal mandate who implemented it on the federal level. Just look at the Barack Obama vs Hilary Clinton debates. At least the behavior is consistent. I haven't gotten my chance to vote yet.
wow Magical Mystery you took the words right out if my mouth, I felt exactly the same way about W. as in W.orst President Ever. He was so terrible that while I was watching the Towers come down and the Pentagon burn the only thing I could think of was, and this is no lie because I said it to a coworker, "I pray to God that whoever is behind this gets Bush and Cheney, so those innocents do not have to die fro nothing." And as I watch those people jumoing from the towers I also prayed that they were all republicans as I would hate to see good people die.
Independents will not vote for a guy like Romney. He has changed his opinion on virtually everything. Furthermore, as we saw in our last presidential election, Romney could pull a McCain by chosing some unknown moron for VP. The fact is if Romney choses a conservative moderate he will lose the tea party, who already think he's a RINO. If he choses someone more to the right of him he loses the moderates. Finally, I think Romney loses much of his steam when he hits the southern states. By the time he emerges the nominee Obama will to far ahead of him and have too much money for Romney to be able to compete.
Fiesty doesnt post on anything but "First Read" articles. She doesnt do this out of joy...it is her job.
On topic, Ron Paul has a clear following and must run 3rd party! I think he would garner votes from either party that feel sickened by the misrepresentation they have received from their establishment party
I watch the polling, Romney and Obama are about even.
MagicalMystery
Just how many years should pass before appointees are appointed? Typical dirty politics. Block a president on everything and pander to the base that the president is a failure.
But, love is blind and those conservatives do love those republicans. They're like battered housewives. They step out of line and get back slapped, and then go back for more.
Amused,
I don't care if people collapse me, I expect it on this thread. I just find it funny that the Dems are so afraid of the truth, they try to cut it down with the collapse and MSNBC doesn't like to restore anything that is considered a hit against the Dems. I find it interesting that when I mentioned this I didn't get collapsed.
@ Kornfed, agreed. I have voted Democratic since Clinton. Being from a "Red" state (Missouri) and moving into another "Red" state Tennessee, I have seen nothing but promises and lies from The Republican Party (I cannot say the same for Democrats, because they are non-existent in my neck of the woods). But like the old saying goes, "How do you know if a Politician is lying? His lips are moving."
Now as I have repeatedly stated, I feel Obama has been nothing more than 4 more years of "Bush Policies", and I will only vote for him if you give me Mitt, Newt, Rick and John. I could very seriously vote for Ron Paul. Now here is my problem, who would Ron take as his VP? (I thought about McCain last time, until he took that nutjob from Alaska.) And how would "Real Republicans" treat him if he did win? I know he bumps heads with them on about every issue. And I will only support a President who gets rid of NDAA, SOPA and the Protect IP Act.
Curious, all Repub candidates names have 4 letters. I wonder if that is like assassins having 3 names?
Winker-2891142
You have summed up what our current president is ACTIVELY doing by echoing the views of the man you later call crazy in the same post. Quite the puzzle you are. If you are serious about what you posted on fear and war mongering it is obvious you have no clue about what Ron Paul stands for.
Are you aware that on Dec 31 2011 our president signed into law a bill that strips every American of their most basic constitutional rights? Look up NDAA. It is now OK for our government to detain AMERICAN citizens INDEFINITELY without charge OR Due process. That's right, no lawyer no phone call no trial. Are you OK with that?
I am just completely amazed that Obama still has supporters. I really enjoy reading these posts to try and understand what it is that rolls around inside your heads, replaces real thought and creates the dillusion that Obama is a terrific president. I think there are several good republicans still in this race including Mitt (I can actually make tough decisions) Romney. None of the repbulcians believe that what is going on in Europe is a good thing and the America ought to continue running down that socialist road to bankruptcy and serfdom that the Europeans are now trying so desperately to avoid. Do you people actually know what is going on in the world? It is clear to anyone who can actually think that Obama wants to make the US just like Greece. Why does he want to do that? Anybody but Obama.
Such bickering and name calling is disgraceful. It is very unAmerican and very unNeighborly. It is clearly written in the Bible that our societies and cultures will continue to deteriorate and turn away from God, and this is clear evidence of that fact. There will be wars and rumors of wars, marrying and giving into marriage, children will turn against parents and parents against children, there will be earthquakes in diverse places, and famines will occur throughout the world, just to name a few of the predictions. People, this is happening today. We have evolved into a culture of morons, infidels, liars, cheats, theives, fornicators, adulterers, and idolators. Many don't even believe in a Supreme Being or Creator. Man has grown to believe that there is no one or nothing greater than he, even though there are innumerable galaxies in the cosmos, and we can't even comprehend the vastness, but we think mankind is the only creature inhabiting this vastness on this tiny grain of sand we call Earth. For people who don't read or understand, it is no wonder we have evolved into this conundrum.
But, one thing I needed to mention is the fact that there are many who don't even believe in the Bible, and furthermore, they have no interest in reading it, even though it is the oldest Book to be disseminated throughout world, just as the Bible proclaimed that it would be, and no one or no government can stop it. The word of God will continue to spread throughout the world, and if mankind followed even a fraction of what it taught, the world would be a much better place. It clearly states that we should love one another and show kindness to our enemies, and yet our leaders spend most of their efforts advocating war and controlling people, all in the name of money and greed, which have become the idols of mankind. One should understand that your SOUL is your most important possession, not your materialistic wealth.
It will truly be a sad day for mankind when Jesus returns to this earth to initiate Judgement Day, but even on that day, many will stand before God and argue that they done many wonderful things in his name, and his response will be "You were a worker of iniquity, I never knew you". Just look at the workers of iniquity that are abounding in the world today. I guess there is a reason why the way is broad and the gate is wide that leads to destruction, but narrow is the way and narrow is the gate that leads to life eternal.
The path we have chosen is not the one God intended, but regardless of what we think, there will be a day of reckoning for everyone. During my lifetime, I have personally known billionaires and paupers, and they all put their pants on the same way. It is not wealth or notoriety that defines the individual. The individual is defined by his actions. Whether we like it or not, things in this world will continue to decline, regardless of who is elected President. People in this country want change, and even though it is promised, it never comes to fruition. How can anyone change anything, when the law of the land is dishonesty and corruption. It seems to always boil down to the lesser of two evils.
I hope I have given you all something to think about, and I am curious to see if I get any rational responses. We need change in this country, but how can we change a country when we are unwilling to change ourselves. I would advise everyone to vote their conscience, but at the very least to vote. The turnout at elections is shameful, and yet most people continue to complain about their state in life and expect the government to provide it for them. God created all humans with a brain and gave them dominion over the Earth. It is a shame that we don't use that gift as it was intended. I guess the old saying must have some merit, "If you don't use it, you lose it", and from what I can see, we have pretty much lost it.
A great idea to say the least, and good for everyone, this will be the guaranteed way to beat Obama!
liberty&freedom LuVr, don't attack other Viners - present or not. Beverly in Chicago, don't make it personal. You're each suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
ALIL,
You have quite the Lie/Misinformation machine going there........how do you live with it?
President Obama grew up with his Mom using food stamps. He has not cut food stamps, but many Republican congressionals WANT to do so.
Senator Sessions says we cannot afford to feed the hungry with food stamps. And right now in Mr. Session's state 1 in 5 Alabamans are in need of food stamps to get by.
Taking food out of our mouths will cut money needed to boost the economy. It will also starve our families.
If we allow GOP to cut food stamps, lay people off (600,000 plus public sector jobs so far), and refuse to create jobs for millions of Americans, we are dooming our children and seniors.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10/20/349131/jeff-sessions-food-stamps-out-of-control/
http://www.americansforprosperity.org/101111-obama%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cjob%E2%80%99s-bill%E2%80%9D-packed-dangerous-protectionism
@Bosslimo You asked: "How will he help the middle class?" in reference to Ron Paul.
Well, where do I begin? The first and most important thing he will do is END THE USELESS WARS. The sons and daughters of the middle class will stop coming home in body bags. Next he will close the over seas bases (900 bases in 150 countries) and ship those soldiers home. When they get home they will be stationed on OUR borders. US soldiers are paid in USD. That money (which is currently being spent in Germany, Japan, Korea, etc.) will be spent here in OUR country. I can go on all night but I have other things to do.
If you would like to learn more just go to RonPaul2012.com
Sounds good on paper...
But, if he doesn't get shot by the republican elite and makes it to the White House, he would still be fillibustered just like the current president. And, I have not seen his social agenda. I do get the crawl into a cave and let the world pass us by agenda. I seen his make government go away agenda (odd, since he wants to work for the government).
But, I hope he gets nominated. It will be an easy win for President Obama.
Gentleman.... start up your lies and let the poo begin to be flung!
Ron Paul scores 3rd in Iowa and now 2nd in New Hampshire?
How come the voters aren't voting like the media tells them to?
America will obviously implode if Ron Paul balanced the budget.....He's mad I tell you!
Imagine someone who cares about the usa and its future.
New hampshire elected a guy who looks like he'd sell my grandmother a "good used car" for thousands more than its sticker price. Romney will be charging all of us a price as Corporation USA sells its goods and services--w/o consumer protections, to its citizens! This should get interesting...
I didn't believe the media hype. I just couldn't believe what they were saying was what the American people wanted. And I was right! Ron Paul appeals to so many people on so many levels. I'm so glad he showed the media it was wrong to have written him off when he came in 2nd in New Hampshire. I love it!
Yeah, yeah, yeah...
BUT HOW DID HERMIE CAINE DO?
I missed it..
has anyone heard? Where did he finish? How many votes and delegates?
This stuff is important.... right?
JW12,,, your list is impressive but you forgot to mention that those elected officials besides Bush you have quoted were all lied to by your illustrious dictators Bush/Cheney. I like so many Americans fell hook line and sinker for their lies. I'm also concerned about the corporate puppets in the GOP who are still lying and fear mongering the American people and what makes it worse is that they are all preaching how religious they are but lie like dogs.
Ann Rand was the dirtiest of Capitalist whores. Off with her head. Vikings will eat her intestines and roast her. Unto us, this gift of her guts was given.
Can anyone in the corporate puppet GOP tell what is going to happen if they get their way, lay of 100's of thousands of government employees, eliminate entitlements for the poor and middle class while at the same time increasing entitlements for Corporate America, eliminating the Healthcare program etc. Tell me how are they supposed to get a job that will pay benefits when the corporate party will lower wages and outsource even more jobs. If we had listened to the corporate puppets we wouldn't have a motor industry as we have known. Another thing, why didn't the corporate puppets stand and allow the financial institutions go bankrupt. I know that Dems voted to bail financial institutions out but they didn't turn around and allow the working class lose jobs, also the workers did take a cut in wages and benefits but the top managers and CEO's still got to give themselves millions in bonuses. Anyone who can't see that the agenda of the corporate puppets in the GOP is to control 99% of Americans by keeping them jobless and needy. If you take a look back over the last 50 years you would see that the American workers were having a better life style and becoming a force to recon with so corporate American had to do something so they can control us and that started with Reagan. Take a look back and you will find the signs where there.
Winker, unfortunately , politicians get elected by promising something they eventually can't or won't deliver satisfactorily. Elected officials for the most part do want to make a difference , especially if it's their original motive. Both parties are the same, they all fall under the pressure of delivering . This leads to butt covering, stuttering, changing their minds ,etc.or in other words, lying. The one in office has failed to deliver. Another needs to take his place because anybody but Obama should be the President. The fear mongering is only going to get worse. With all due respect, he failed to deliver Hope and the Change is for the worse. Very, very said. ABO 2102
Notice how there are no stats on the results in the article. You'd think the first article about the primary would give some facts, like who got how many votes and what percentage of votes each candidate got. Well, at least we got a fact that Romney won the Iowa Caucus by 8 votes, but we all knew that. Guess it's not good policy to include real facts in the spin.
CNN has the figures, and at 85+% counted, Romney had 38% against Paul's 23%. Huntsman was like 17 or 18%, with some trailing 10 and 11%. Perry had a dismal turnout.
TBH, I wouldn't be surprised in the least, if Romney gets the nomination, to see some donate funds to Occupy Wallstreet, as THEIR message to the establishment who backs, and would like everyone to vote for him. A candidate we the people can rally behind, support, believe in (or even believe with all his flip flops), he is not. I for one can't even listen through one of his speeches, without having to change the channel as a means to fend off the sort of fatigue he seems to bring on.
"Almost half of voters aged 18-29, who made up 12 percent of the electorate, favored Paul." I Think it is pretty clear where the Republican party is headed in the future. Any vote against that is really just counter productive. Keep in mind this younger generation is more educated than their elder counterfarts. Too bad so many of the older voters don't know forward from backward. They can't see that Romney is a fake?
Everyone should fear Paul on the hill. People in America have finally started to wake up. This goes to show. Paul might not become president. But ya can beleive many Americans are tired of getting ripped off. Now someone show me why or how it makes us safer sending all that money overseas. People need to look at America like one big family. Take care of your family first.
Um, Paul as been on the Hill for years. Has he been able to get ANYTHING through Congress. Oh, right, he hasn't. So would he be more effective as President? Of course not. But why FEAR him?
Mr. Winker. Your straight line politicing is just as damaging to the country. You are not alone unfortunately.
And when the government creates all these government jobs, who pays them? You do, or more specifically, the remaining taxpayers. Healthcare? The one that they are still working out, the one designed by the drug and health insurance companies? Saving GM? The same company that had not changed it's failed business plan for years, gets bailed out with my, or more specifically, tax dollars?
Let's bail out the banks with more fiat currency. Roll the presses. And where did all that fake money go? It stayed with the banks to cover THEIR bad wagers, and the government winked and said, well, we can't actually MAKE THEM put it into circulation and make loans to spur the economy.
Am I a republican? NO. Independant.
The economy is still very sick. Both parties made their money and placed their bets, only to help themselves, not you. If you think that voting really makes a difference, vote. If you vote, try picking the best candidate who will raise a little hell and God forbid, work for you and what's left of the country.
OomYaaqub. And why can't he get anything passed? (not true) At lewast there is a beakon of light shining on what ails the country, and yet you seem OK knowing that your regular gang of Jackals in congress won't really represent you. He is bad for pointing it out right? Or do you think that it is just a popularity club and you have to go along with the crowd as they go ovrr a cliff?
Ron Paul 2012
Mitt Romney tied his dog to the roof of a car and proceeded to drive for 12 hours. His dog threw up, and when his kids noticed the dog vommit on the back windshield, Romney pulled over to hose down the car and the dog.
When asked about it on the campaign trail he said the dog was in an "air-tight" container, and that the dog enjoyed it.
If the dog enjoyed it, why did he throw up? And if the container was "air-tight", how did the vommit get out?
If Mitt can't even tell the truth about his dog, he won't tell the truth about anything else, either. I'd rather have Huntsman, Paul, Perry, or Gingrich than Romney. Romney is better than Michelle Bachman, and maybe Rick Santorum, but that's about it.
Love that avatar Free Me Now!!! I'm pretty sure the President has felt that way since April of last year when he wanted to sit down with the Republicans and get a debt deal done hahahahaha.
Obama should just snap his fingers and fix the economy. I don't know what's wrong here. Mitt says he can do it. Ron Paul has an even better solution: Let's get rid of the economy, problem solved.
anyone want to bet that mitts plan for a better economy includes yet another tax cut for the job exporting corporations and the rich.
Don't forget bonuses for the AIG execs who helped to create the financial meltdown in the first place. Oh, and behind the scenes the Fed can have more quantitative easing, a lil more inflation it tends to cause, and here's Romney still addressing people like it's the board room, perhaps supporting even greater "rights" for corporates, under the concept of corporate personhood....
As to you "unwashed masses" he can try to have people feel positive about taking his calls, shining his shoes, and shuttlign him off to fire more Americans so the jobs can then be outsourced :p Oh, and lets not forget the speculators and robo-traders who can raise the cost of oil, even when demand plummets, as if everything is an excuse to speculate the markets that way :angel:
Mitt's plan for a better economy is to rob us of the retirement funds we've been paying into all our lives and stick the money in his own back pocket.
He's not greedy though, he'll split our money with his rich pals.
IF I were to vote for any of those Republican/Teabagger misogynist, homophobes, racist, bigotted, hypocrite, greedy Lying Clowns
Wouldn't I be getting exactly what I deserved ????
The Tea-Party is now IRRELEVANT
Amen!
+1
TO: justina777 who wrote:
Yes they are, especially since they haven't done anything to keep their JOBS JOBS JOBS promise.
Republicans can't even stand the Teabaggers, neither can the people who put them there to begin with.
Buyers' remorse.
They are all infinitely better than the incompetent marxist occupying the White House
So by your posts i see that the three of you are Obama supporters. Wake up. Our debt just exceed our output. The value of every service and product produce from the US no longer exceeds the value of our debt. Our Debt has increased in the last three years more than under any other president ever. Spending is out of control, government is growing faster than the private sector, and we are printing money trying to cover the debt that China does not want to finance. This is the path you want to continue on? The basis of the tea party was smaller government and smaller debt. What is wrong with that?
LOLOLOL......you silly little libs make me laugh. FACT: The Tea Party and GOP won HUGE in 2010 and tossed out that Nancy Pelosi. OMG what a witch. Ah hum....GOP/Tea Party took the house (smiling). Obama's approval rating is lower then Jimmy Carter LOL. Obama will be out January 20, 2013 and a GOP president takes over. Especially since the Tea Party is still strong. Oh.......you think your Occupy Wall Street bums will do anything? LOLOLOLOL......the OWS screwed up and is fading. Jokes! OWS was 1/5000 of Tea Party. Yawn!!!! Get ready for a 2012 GOP win in Senate and Executive Branch. Sad, silly little libs. So misguided, so defeated, so socialist! ROFLMAO
MTBuck-
Thank you...I was beginning to think that no one on this email thread actually had
a clue of what is going on with our economy. It is nice to see that NOT EVERYONE is
brainwashed by the Liberal biased MSM.
Who in this misfit of a group of gopers is able to beat the President?
G3CSA: You protest to much for one who really wants his party to be where you are alarmingly claiming they are! almost like you are trying to convince yourself more than anyone else like you are afraid to believe what you fear is happening! they are losing! not just the white house but even the congress could be taken back!!!
Mitt Romney can liquidate companies, and make profits, but He does not have what it takes to lead the country in my opinion!!! He seems to be to shallow to me!!!
Senator Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH) is displaying a chart on the Senate Floor that shows each president, starting with John F. Kennedy, and their respective raises of the debt ceiling. The information is quite telling.
Kennedy raised the debt ceiling 4 times for a total increase of 5%.
Johnson raised the debt ceiling 7 times for a total increase of 18%.
Nixon raised the debt ceiling 9 times for a total increase of 36%.
Ford raised the debt ceiling 5 times for a total increase of 41%.
Carter raised the debt ceiling 9 times for total increase of 59%.
Reagan raised the debt ceiling 18 times for a total increase of 199%.
George H.W. Bush raised the debt ceiling 9 times for a total increase of 48%.
Clinton raised the debt ceiling 4 times for a total increase of 44%.
George W. Bush raised the debt ceiling 7 times for a total increase of 90%.
Obama has raised the debt ceiling 3 times for a total increase of 26%.
Adding the percentages of the Democratic presidents’ total debt ceiling increases (shown in blue) together reveals that President Ronald Reagan, arguably the most popular Republican president on this list, actually raised the debt ceiling by a higher percentage than all of the Democrats combined.
The Democrats’ total percentage increase is 152%. President Reagan increased the debt ceiling by 199% in his two terms in office.
The Republican presidents, shown in red, when added together, have raised the debt ceiling by a total of 414%.
larry- give it a break with the marxist in the white house. You only make yourself look foolish except to your other idiot friends
TO: MTBuck who wrote:
So what are saying, that Republicans finally realized that being lied into a phoney war in Iraq just so that the 2 Republican oil men in the White House could make themselves rich was a bad idea?
I'm still waiting to see where Republicans are going get the trillions of dollars to pay for that lie, cause all the food stamps in the world can't cover that bill.
Welfare payments over the last four years is more than the cost of Iraq and Afghanistan, just for comparison's sake.
Sounds like somebody rode the WAAAHBUS home from work today.
“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
“Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
“Hussein has .. chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies.”
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
“He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them.”
Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force– if necessary– to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
“There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years … We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do” Rep.
Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.”
Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction… So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …”
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan.23.2003
I have never read a reasonable account of what this "Obama is a socialist!" or "Obama is a marxist!" stuff is about. It's kind of like "Bush is a fascist!"... which he wasn't. I can kind of see where the party leans social democrat, vis a vis regulating certain markets so they don't screw people over. But that's not true Socialism in my book; many Republicans favor some of that regulation as well. And a marxist? Not even close.
So if one of you Obama haters would care to take up that mantle, I'm all ears, er eyes.
Our debt just exceed our output
And that is because of people like Mitt Romney. People like him took companies and bankrupted them, making billions in the process.
SB49,
Never use percentages, use real numbers to be more accurate. It's closer than it looks as the later raises are much larger than the earlier ones. Still a good point.
BTW I read your bio. If it's true, you should write a book.
Hey Larry, dude who poses with a lion cub, can you tell me what a marxist is?
Because you obviously do not know.
But please, look up what Marxism is, and maybe you can educate yourself past 3rd grade.
starbuck49, thank you for posting those numbers. Our debt really got out of control beginning with Reagan and trick-down economics or voo-doo as Bush 41 called it.
I thought Bush was a socialist so imagine how obama comes across. Really unless Ron Paul is elected and the two partys with no term limits get their act together our dept well destroy our country.
I just dont see how anyone can support president Obama,but hey people liked Hitler also.
The one thing I can never forgive Obama for is the Fact that he signed the National Defence Authorization Act which can indefinitly detain U.S. and non U.S. citizens for no reason.
@jvb87
Did you read how he spoke out against the portion that allowed for detaining of U.S. citizens and how he wants Congress to rework that part?
@jw12:
Please explain how those statements matter since no Democrat launched a strike against Iraq? Is this meant to condemn those mentioned for the sake of what they were thinking? {shrugs!?}
jw12 - and a hush falls over the crowd...
jw12,, I to like 90% of Americans agreed with invading Iraq based on what Bush/Cheney told us because we expect our president to be semi honest with the American people. It just means that we believed our president, oh what fools we were. What I want to see is the Corporate puppets in the GOP demanding criminal charges filed against Bush/Cheney for sending our young men and women to their deaths with their lies.
@DaFoo
No he did not speak out against that part, this is what he spoke out against "threatened a possible veto of the annual defense authorization bill if it contains language aimed at forcing Al Qaeda suspects into military custody rather than civilian courts". He never threatened a veto because it violates our Bill of Rights.
It doesn't take a genius to see our economy could be better, but anyone who thinks the Tea Party Twits who got sent to Clowngress are/were helping is kidding themselves. I don't know if I would be inclined to vote for Obama or Democrats in general, but I could never tolerate the dogma and social agenda of the Tea Party. They will go down in history, if they are mentioned at all, as a passing fad. When they had opportunity to be the force behind an even stronger version of the Simpson-Bowles plan, they choked on their own extremist views rather than reduce the debt - which was the platform they ran on. Their dwindling followers continue to think that if they can just shout a little louder and hurl a few more insults at people, that somehow equates to votes; we're seeing that isn't the case.
Those who think government is bad never fail to produce candidates that prove thier point. Mitt outsources all our jobs and now he is going to get them back? Gonna pull em outta his magic underpants is he? Only if the profit margin is there will your silly little GOP-Brain dreams come true. Ask Mittens the hard questions and watch him squirm. Oh we will save that for the big show. Part of me hopes you win so you can see just how much your own party really cares about the issues that concern you. As much as the Bush admin did when they had a solid majority and accomplished tax breaks for gazillionaires and the patriot act. Yea that was less government... Thank goodness we have you people to set us straight. (Sarcasm duh)
Semaphore I agree and woud like to add if any of these peope screaming "Obama is a Marxist", "Obama is a socialist" crap ran into a real Marxist they would wet their pants....
Cut it out, G3CSA. Don't grenade troll with 'you [insult]' language. Bad for discussion. You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
WeDontGetBannedAgain!! banned, rereg of multiple accounter richard-795963.
Yes, but only in the sense that you let it happen, and the rest of America definitely deserves BETTER. It happened in 2010. And it is hurting the nation.
Unfortunately, not. Look at the number of people posting on Newsvine that can't even define socialism, much less use it correctly in a sentence.
Hey Newt and Mitt?!?
How ya'll liking your brilliant idea of Super Pac? Ehh?
Satan always traps Republicans because they are such easy prey when it comes to Evil deeds
ROFL at this one! "Evil deeds"...I love it!
Keep on hoping the Tea Party is irrelevent. Time will tell now won't it.
The tea party controlled the entire 2010 elections...too bad less than a year later they are completely irrelevant.
You had power.
Now you don't
Ron Paul: Have you heard anything from the Tea Party lately? the last I heard was when they tried to join up with the OWS in Memphis, and they turned them down flat!!!
all iowa and nh proves is that people really are stupid........................
The tea party that wanted smaller government that obeyed the constitution? whats so bad about that?
Most teabaggers are only for small government when it comes to the economy. They like big government for pretty much everything else (e.g. non-defensive military spending).
Those aren't teabaggers, they're nobaggers. Ron Paul has a pair and the others don't. Just that simple.
Mr. Joe, I think a better word would be IGNORANT. Many Americans seem to be ignorant of economics, politics, and people. That doesn't necessarily mean that they are STUPID, it just means that they are UNEDUCATED concerning factual information.
YAWN.... Somebody wake me when this is over! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Yeah, I agree with you. I don't read this stuff either. In fact, if your posting had not awakened me, I could have slept right through it all.
Your best work comes out in your sleep. So, we'll try to keep it quiet for you. Don't want to get your synapses all tangled up trying to 'splain how uninterested you are.
Many people who watch this video change their vote
http://tekgnosis.typepad.com/tekgnosis/2012/01/ron-paul-many-people-who-watch-this-whole-video-change-their-vote.html
Ron Paul is a bigoted old man who would CRASH this economy harder, and faster than any Republican/TP Inc. party member ever thought, or wished was possible.
He knows his history, he knows about many of the mistakes that were made, but his conclusions on the how, the why are wrong, and the way forward are very wrong.
He may have been a good medical doctor (I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, since I have neither heard, nor read anything about that), but when it comes to foreign policy, or economics, he would be a complete, and utter failure.
In my Opinon Ron Paul would do as what what Andrew Jackson did to the Second bank of the United states. This was also the only time in U.S. history that the U.S. owed absolutly no debt.
The same old crowd has got us where were at. When you look at the shape the country is in,when elections happen people who cant do theyre job get canned and replaced. Obama sucks and well hit the road. Unless your all on drugs our something you must see this.
Ron Paul is the only one who wants to save our country! vote for him.
Thanks for the link, I've never seen that before.
Ron Paul has so much public and so little corporate support.
Interesting times.
Let me repeat, in simple terms:
Ron Paul is an idiot who would CRASH our economy (taking the world's economy with it), and make us international outcasts.
And Jungleboogie, if you are a serious Ron Paul supporter, you are lying when you say you've never seen that video before. You sound like a bad actor, on a bad commercial, thanking some huckster for that 'valuable information' that they had never heard before.
Lol lay off the koolaid bud. I'm not keen on Ron Paul's foreign policy, but as an independent voter, I find his platform interesting. Certainly beats Obama/Bush the last 11 years. Any drooling moron who thinks the last ten years of wars has made us or Israel any safer needs a better shrink.
Poor use of tax dollars I think. We still need aggressive foreign policy but not a "conventional war-based" foreign policy. And these 10 years 'occupations' are utter foolishness.
BTW, your mudslinging makes you come across as sounding like a nut.
You can debate AND be respectful at the same time. Just sayin'
@ matthew,Houston, Tx
Hate to break this to you, but if you travel outside of this country, we ARE international outcasts, this is coming from someone this lives about 50/50 between here and Australia. I would also like to hear your justification for saying that Ron Paul would crash our economy?
I like what Ron Paul has to say.
Stop fighting unnecessary wars and stop being a dick to everyone. Only then will you stop being an international outcast.
FIrst of all come on America.... We need serious help in this country. We need to change the BIG CHANGE of the last President. These candidates will need to be all together at the end of this process. So do not damage our country in the meantime. It's very interesting to me that someone would judge someone religion, or hair do... Get with it America
Hate to break this to you, jvb87, but the visas in my passport show that I do travel outside of this country, idiot.
Ron Paul advocates an extreme form laissez-faire economics ideology. He advocates almost no regulation, and wants to get rid of the very institutions that stopped the extreme cycles of boom and bust that occurred before, and resulted in the Great Depression. He would put us back on the gold standard in a world economy that moves faster, and requires a more nimble monetary policy than gold would provide.
Do you own gold? Under his gold standard rules, you'd have to give it all up to the US government, that would pay you significantly less than market value, and eat up all of the liquid assets of the US to buy all of the gold from it's citizens. You would lose money from your investment, and the US government would be so broke, it wouldn't even be able to pay the military to defend us.
Those are just a few items on how this old bigot would CRASH the economy.
OBAMA 2012!
anamericanpatriot?
Obama will be leaving the White House January 2017
Break it gently to Republican and Teabagger Clowns
ahh K?
if u think obama is good for this country , you are brain dead
He's the best we have..think he's done an awesome job! And most of the country agrees,polls are controlled by corporate monopolies weak minded fools...you'll see the results inNH tonight..
obama all the way for 2012 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
obama is never leaving the white house
all you republicans out there and the partys too guess what you suck really bad and you cried little babies on national tv. obama obama obama. republians and the party's big big babies and cried babies cried babies
Obama/Biden 2012.
A vote for any republican is a vote for a repeat of what President George W. Bush gave us, economic meltdown, high unemployment, two unfunded wars, tax cuts for the rich, massive debt--just check their policies, they are the same as Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43. Vote GOP and fight more wars, spend more on the military while the rest of the country crumbles. Romney has a boat-load of Bush/Cheney neocons as his foreign policy advisors; his economics plan decreases taxes on millionaires while increasing taxes on those making $50,000.
Another moron joins the braying of the party of the jack. You want to talk about massive debt? HAHAHAHAHA! You want to talk about high unemployment? Please, you should be drowning in your ridiculous hypocrisy. You're a moron that lives off Obama and his 30 second sound bite. You and all your sheep will follow him unto your slaughter.
Limowreck please do enlighten us as to the amazing economic condition Bush and the republicans left our country in when President Obama took charge.
Much to the republicans dismay we are slowly climbing out of the ditch where Bush left us. Still to this day their only answer for Americans is more tax cuts for the rich and less regulations so wall street can rob us again. If you are not of the 1% you had better look again as to whom is being led to slaughter.
It's Bush and the neocons, not Bush and (all) the Republicans, though most Republicans, like most Democrats, are ill-informed on almost every subject except food and TV. You can see the wonderful effects of nutrition education and labeling on obesity every day. Don't even get me started on TV.
And if he has his will he never will (love your use of the word never)
If the expectation is that they will support policies that benefit the middle class, none will beat it.
Policies that benefit the middle class? There is only ONE way for a middle class to exist. FREE ENTERPRISE or the Marxist term for it Capitalism. No Marxist country, (USSR, Pre-capitalist China) has ever had a middle class. Socialism/Marxism/Communism creates a two class society, the government ruling class and the serfs/rest of us who have to live on the scraps the goverment decides we are worthy to have from their well stocked tables. This is the promise of Socialsm, it isn't fairness, the government can not create wealth so their definition of fairness drives them to make everyone equally poor, except the government bureaucrats of course. Once again, do you people know what goes on in the world. Do you see what is happening in Europe. Why is this president so desperate to take this country on a path, the end result of which is known because we can see it happening right in front of our eyes in Greece, in Spain, in Italy. Obama wants a ruling class, look at the way he and his family vacation while the rest of us try to keep food on the table. It doesn't seem to bother him a bit. I don't mind a person who has earned his money spending it however he or she wants to, but this man is living off my tax dollars and I am tired of seeing him treat himself like a king while the rest of us struggle to pay for it. ANYBODY but Obama.
well newt ...you said it when you left your wife and now the words come back to haunt you:
newt ....you and your wife are not good looking enough to be President
Casino Mogul Adelson thinks all his Million$ are going to revive Loser Newts poll numbers
Go check out Serial Divorce Addict Newts poll numbers, Adelson
Gingrich still stuck on L O S E R
if you want croooks and theives runing this country into devistation vote for any of the others
you want to live in a country of freedom and liberty for all , you want to stop all the madnesss in DC ?
there is only one who will change the BS in DC ,
PLEASE VOTE RON PAUL for the sake of our children dont let this continue.
Ron Paul, The only honest man left in politics. Main stream media can't shut down the internet. I guess mitt has bought this election .
Yup,Ron Paul seems the best choice right now if the Reps want to save face..the rest of them are crooks..as far as Mitt goes..well Ilived inMass under his tutelage and he basically left the state to the leiutenant governor,do remember that in November..he was'nt around a lot of the time
Watch this to see Ron Paul denounce the racist stuff written in his name: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CoQWAXuUyI
if you want croooks and theives runing this country into devistation vote for any of the others
That will be Mitt Romney. He "loves to fire people"
He doesn't ever sugar coat it by saying that he was a bit sorry about doing it. This is your "Presidential Hopeful" All $$$$$
Keep voting for him. If you think that he will take care of you when you are old; and need help with medicaid, you will be SORRY. or what? Do you think that happens to everybody else but not you?
Romney 35, Paul 25 in NH. Its Romney territory. I can't wait to vote for Ron Paul.
I can so clearly see that there is something wrong. I feel it and I sense it. Even my Congressman voted for the NDAA which says I can be locked up without representation if I am "suspected" of terrorism. That is a loose term. How was it the priority of our congress and President that this was their signature legislation in 2011? Why did they not they focus on the economy or even infrastructure? We live in a scarry time. Its your turn to say if this is what you want.
Spartan, yes, Ron Paul denounced the racist statements written in his name but why would anyone allow someone to print and publish such things in their own newsletter, with their name on it, without ever bothering to read it. It's a pretty poor excuse if you ask me. If someone is publishing something with my name on it, I'm going to darn well make sure I know what is being said in my name. I'm not calling Ron Paul a racist because I don't think he is, but his policies would allow and excuse racism to continue in the private sector.
Ben, you do not know what you are talking about when it comes to the NDAA. It does not say that you can be locked up without representation. It does say you can be held indefinitely if, through due process, you have been shown to be a danger to the security of the United States.
Let me make this simple for you: you do have a right to representation, and there must be a hearing to determine if you are a danger to the security of the US. ONLY after these two things have happened, can you be indefinitely detained.
Educate yourself, and stop spreading stupid propaganda.
I do not agree with the NDAA but I also know that there was much more good than this bad, and I read the entire signing statement by President Obama. I also know that when the Democrats take over the House, increase their numbers in the Senate, and President Obama is reelected, this can, and most likely will be changed.
And before everyone else piles on:
1) I have read the relevant sections
2) I saw the ACLU's problems with it
3) I saw Rachael Maddow's bit
and not one single one of them disputes my view. All of them are not happy that a US citizen can be held indefinitely (which I also do not like), but they all recognize that even that requires due process.
Matthew,
Educate yourself.
You can be held indefinitely through a hearing process?
What ever happened to that right to a speedy trial by a jury of your peers?
See that's the rub. What you say is directly in conflict with the constitution, you don't even get the benefit of 'grey area'. A hearing with a lawyer and a judge is not the same thing as a trial with a jury, not even close. Due process is a trial, not a hearing. No amount of 'threat to US national security' crap can remove that right. The legislature completely overstepped its bounds and should be slapped down hard.
Cniht,
Try improving your reading comprehension.
If you were to read my comment, with understanding, you would see that I do not disagree with any of your points. All I was doing was slapping down the right wing meme that it allows detention without representation, and at least some sort of hearing, as Ben was saying. You would also see that I do not like the NDAA for the same reasons you point out, and also understand why it had to be signed at this time, which you do not understand.
Just remember who forced the President's hand in this (that would be the Republican/TP Inc. controlled House, and Republican/TP Inc. filibustering Senators . . . as you obliquely pointed out), and try reading his signing statement.
What about Santorum? He would like to get rid of contraceptives. What could be better than that?
A swallow
ROFLMAO Fed up! Greatest chuckle I had all week!
=)
even if u r braindead to what is happening
best reason for you to vote RON PAUL = NO MORE INCOME TAX
How will we pay for our gargantuan defense budget?
It won't be anywhere near as big with Paul running things, while still being 4x the size of China's. Yes, that's how big the American "defense" budget is.
The gopers will NEVER let them cut the defensr budget, they are in the pockets of the defense contractors.
Yeah, gotta love it, biggest military in the world, takes 10 yrs in a couple piss ant countries and when we leave... Back to same old stuff before we went in. Nevermind trillions of dollars, american lives wasted. WW2 didnt even take that long.
Gee, thanks Richza123...
I wasn't aware Ru Paul was running, but I'll sure give her MY vote!
@Not as stupid: You're at least as stupid as Bruno.
Ron Paul will shrink the defense budget down to what's needed for actual defense. The only thing that'll be gone is warmongering ability.
Go Ron Paul.... We need a servant of the people. Not these greedy politicians!
You guys do realize that Ron Paul is 80 years old don't you. He's way too old to be Potus.
Running for the most important job in the united states instead of relaxing in a very comfortable retirement dose nothing less than solidify his commitment to the USA.
mnsally
voters like you are exactly why our country is falling apart. What a ridiculous point to base a vote on.
It's a good thing Obama was never pressured to beat expectations. Didn't expect anything and didn't get anything.
Ron Paul needs to talk less about the gold standard and those items that are above most people's heads, and instead focus on items like freedoms and privacy (SOPA, for one) and other libertarian things. Most people still don't know what he really stands for. If he talked like this in his debates, he would win a ton of votes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Etw3Sbsuo
Ron paul is a nutty old geezer. If he talked too much more the drool would wet his neck tie.
Old? Yes. Nutty? Much less so than even Romney. Ron Paul is one of two electable Republicans, the other being Jon Huntsman. The others are all out to screw people over in various ways.
Chuck
"Ron Paul needs to talk less about the gold standard and those items that are above most people's heads,"
It would not be if people paid attention to history in our education system.
"and instead focus on items like freedoms and privacy (SOPA, for one) and other libertarian things."
He has addressed those issues, SOPA & NDAA (you know that right, it should have you shaking in your boots) and since when is protecting your rights just a libertarian "thing"? That should be everyones thing regardless of party!
"Most people still don't know what he really stands for."
Because most people are NOT paying attention and / or simply vote party lines.
Turn off the TV and start researching, Please.
Why is Michelle Bachmann one of the current candidates depicted on MSNBC's front page NH Primary banner? She suspended her campaign.
They probably forgot to take it down or something. Not like Bachmann is going to win anyways.
She's looking to suck up to the winner tonight for the VP job
Because MSNBC needed to fill the void. They are ignoring Ron Paul, remember?
I think it's because she was already on the ballot, which I believe were printed before she suspended her candidacy?? Who cares anyway, at least she is gone..
Romney doesn't just look presidential, he is the most qualified of all candidates to bring our country back from financial ruin. He did it in business, he did it with the olympics and he did it with Massachusetts. He has proven himself time and time again. Romney is the best hope we have of escaping the economic disaster before us.
What would he do differently? Another tax cut for the rich? Less regulation of the financial industry?
The Republican free market ideals would work perfectly if corporate greed wasn't a factor. Sadly, they're among the world's greediest. This is why wealth almost never trickles down.
Well, a couple of things about Romney and greed. After working his tail off to fix the olympics he donated all of his 1.2 million dollar salary to charity. When his former company began having their financial problems he was invited back to help solve it. He worked for three years for a one-dollar salary and put them back on top again. I don't think Romney is about the greed. I think he's about turning things around. I think he views the presidency as his chance to take on his biggest challenge yet and he will probably do the job for free too.
+JW. The United States of America is not a business. If we do something Mitt might not like, he cannot fire us, no matter how much he likes to fire people. Him wanting to be President might actually backfire on him. I doubt if the American people will put up with his bull @!$%# if he should get in.
JW-
Well said my friend!! And thank you for your earlier posts with the quotes from our esteemed
Democratic representatives showing that George W. Bush did in fact have support from the Democrats and that he did go to Congress to get the authorization to go into Iraq and rid the world of one of history's most heinous murderers. So fast some forget and let the Liberal MSM
cloud their memories.
SPARTAN:
I agree.
And why can't the GOP see that corporate greed kills any hope of their free market ideals ever working?
Less regulations will = corporations using it to their advantage to make more $$. They don't give a rat's azz about right or wrong. It's about 3rd or 4th vacation homes, expensive glittery objects and private jets for them and their CEOs.
There are corporations that do care about the world and many rich people are actually famous for doing charity work (or at least contributing a great deal to society), but most businesses are run by greedy people who like nothing better than to stuff their wallets. Rupert Murdoch being a prime example, as are pretty much all the banks and money-related corporations.
The picture says it all about who votes for republicans/in the republican primaries....old white people.
I could say that about alot of things, but than you would label me a racist, Racist!
The crying towels are on order for November 2012. People like you will want yours as an entitlement
What is the monogram gonna be?
Colorless green ideas sleep furiously
Chomsky
Angry left- Many young and unenlightened often feel the way you do and when they do
get older or 'old white people' or whatever their skin pigmentation may be, they regret how they felt when they were young and actually become supporters of the GOP. Here is an example that may even blow your mind...John Lennon.
Here are few other examples, not necessarily 'old white people' Prince, 50 cent, Jimmy JJ Walker, JC Watts, NFL HOFer Lynn Swann and here is one that will really blow your mind...DON KING!!!
So, maybe you should stop being angry and start being smart??
that is a sad, sad stereotype my friend.
Old white people made this Country. The rest of you are just sucking on the Government tit.
Gulfwar9091, this country was made millions of years before "Old White People" ever got here. All's the old white people did was steal someone else's land and plunder their resources. Thats all old white people ever do, they are still doing it today, thats why our military is spread so thin around the world, because the old white people who control this country have no clue how to survive unless they are stealing resources from other people. Do you really believe that the Gulf War was fought for "freedom, liberty and democracy", or to protect our "way of life" which means protecting our rabid consumption of other peoples resources.
And you seemed to forget about the millions of blacks, chinese, mexicans and native americans who died in the, cotton fields, in the coal mines and on the railroads while building this country, while old white people sat on their asses eating bon bons and making a fortune. It was the rich who built the country it was the WORKERS!
They keep saying that Dr Paul is in second or third place behind a joke of a man that has never worked a day in his life. I don't watch the news and I don't believe it. Mittens has the puppet strings and Paul has no strings. Americanada (Bush/Obama), do you want a puppet or a president with no strings. Consider Ron Paul, consider to stick to your bipartisan ways. The game has changed and it's Ron Paul or anarchy. And when we burn the American dollar we will all be equal. Disclaimer, I am not against the 1%. These people "occupied an education", used their minds and took responsibility but they are not allowed to run the country or the world.
You took control of your lives and made something of your lives. You owe me nothing. But you don't control us.
If the Republicans get in forget it Obama inherited the Republican Bush mess and if anyone of the Romney Santorum Newt & co get in forget it Romney will get rid of Obama care just saw this on TV Whats wrong with these people will America ever get a healthcare system for everyone?
Romney just saying powerful military more money out the door Bush sent us to war and spent 7 years of the taxpayers money and lost thousands of peoples lives
Please I hope America is awake when they vote this year No Romney or Republicans
Just to clarify, Bush had nearly unanimous support for the war with Iraq from a democratic-majority congress. I know how it feels good to blame George Bush for the war, but a President can't declare war without congress and they all piled in. I should qualify that last statement: No President except Obama can declare war without congress...
I'm not playing the blame game you tards. That's why I mentioned puppet strings. God, America is headed toward total idiocracy.
JW-whatever....
you said,"Just to clarify, Bush had nearly unanimous support for the war with Iraq from a democratic-majority congress..." blah, blah, blah.
What you are neglecting to mention is that "the Democratic Majority Congress", in what 2003?? WAS NOT A Democratic majority Congress, and two, the "intelligence" that the bush-liar cabal of war-criminals were "presenting" to the Congress, was known to be a lie, bogus, and completely misleading and fear-pandering B.S.!!!
Now, if you cannot grasp the dates and exactly what happened and the criminal lies that the bush-criminal orchestrated -- and yes, CRIMINALLY conspired with his cabinet -- to bring our nation to an ILLEGAL WAR with Iraq (for oil), then, go get an education, and a fact-checker -- and GROW UP!!!
The entire GOP is nothing more than a wall-street owned and elitist managed CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE, PERIOD!!
There WAS one Senator who said "no" to going to war in Iraq.... and that was President Obama!!! He was not fooled by that low-life, bush-criminal.
So Buddy, how come you don't see Obama as merely another runner in a relay race, where he lied to you and his other supporters, implying he was going to do everything and change everything, yet took the baton from Bush, and kept running in the same direction as Bush..... he is working for the Oligarchy just as Bush was. Read about the two party paradigm. They mostly all work for the same corporate lobbyists that own our government. Ron Paul is the only chance to break that cycle, because he is older and doesn't need that money, has enough money, votes consistently throughout his career. He's the only Constitution minded politician running. If you don't vote for him, that makes all of us crazy. I can't stand to see him referred to as fringe or crazy. Why, because he talks about things you've been CONDITIONED by the oligarch run two party system to not pay attention to? Things like the Constitution? The fact that the war on terror is a lie and nothing more than a fear based imposition to make us all paranoid and support blindly, all militaristic action waged by our government? It's all about greedy scumbags making money. They don't care about the troops, who dies, or the consequences, as long as their greed is quenched. Then they make up new laws to erode our rights further like the new NDAA just signed into law by Obama. He's a traitor. He and Bush should both be left on a desert island to starve.
Obama said no to war, then got elected by those who were too ignorant to vote for an Independent candidate in 2008, and Obama now starts wars all the time!
Tony, that doesn't mean you have to lead the way!
The disaster is slowly waning...as expected..
Romney is looking the best of a really really super bad bunch in the eyes of voters. Truth is that not one of these clowns was worthy of a run and now GOP voters are stuck 'making do' . That's a bad deal and it's because people were placating the Tea Party 'oxygen thieves', which stole valuable time and placement for some other more worthy traditional GOP candidates from the established center and the conservative camps.
They didn't have to "make do". There were a lot of Presidential Candidates that no one heard about because the news media decided for us which people got to be heard. You can see some of the other candidates on 2012 Presidential Candidates.org website...I didn't know the media chose for us until I ran myself. I actually have a good plan for America and I CAN beat Obama too. See my People's Plan at: www.klanethepeoplespresident.com
The media focuses on the two major parties. That's it.
The N.D.A.A is unconstitutional it is an act of treason against the American people and our country, it is something I consider to be a declaration of war against the American people. The only candidate that would restore it is Ron Paul. People wake up Romney is another sell out and he will only follow the agenda of the New World Order and drive us into a deeper state of oppression. If any of the candidates were true Americans and really wanted to resolve the problems we are having and believe me it goes way beyond the point of being broke. If any of these candidates were true to the cause then they would step down and allow the only man among the bunch of them who is credible enough to put us back on the right track and bring back America to the American people, that man is Ron Paul
It's ok Laura when it comes to trolls you take a back seat to no one.
Calling these republicans a bunch of greedy self centered bigots with so many flip-flop agendas to better the 1% is an understatement, and they don't even do a good job of hiding their true intentions because they are so use to flip-flopping and lying they do not see when they are getting caught in their own lie's. These people are just a bunch of dumb retards with phoney smiles.
I agree.