Which one of your rights was violated?????

So Obama wants to do something to make it easier for an "illegal"? What part of "illegal" does he not understand? Why can't he do something for the "legal" citizens of this country?

Illegal means Illegal!!!!! If I rob a bank, it is illegal and against the law, so if you enter the country illegally-- it is against the law and you should be punished-- not forgiven because of your sob story--- you did the crime-- suffer the consequences. Come over illegally and we will hook you up with government money i.e. welfare, food stamps, and possibly even Section 8 housing (which if you have ever noticed that the ones in the grocery store paying with food stamps have the expensive purse, lots of bling, expensive clothes, and usually get into a nice new expensive car in the parking lot--once I saw the woman in line in front of me use food stamps then drive away in a Cadillac Escalade--nice-- glad I as the tax payer could help her out) which all comes from us nice little ol "middle class" tax payer who is struggling to get by on our own, yet are honest enough not to try to cheat the system like so many welfare people do... In the end-- I say deport them ALLL and do away with the whole welfare system-- if you lose your job, you get another one and if that one is only McDonald's and does not pay the bills, you get two jobs-- I personally have 3 jobs to keep up, or I guess I could just lie and say my husband does not live with my daughter and I and then I could get free food and money every month-- but I was not raised like that.. 

Granting rewards to immigration lawbreakers is NOT the sign of a good Christian, a good Jew, a good Muslim, a good Hindu, a good atheist, a good American, etc.

Americans across the political spectrum (including this Democrat) DEMAND THAT OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS BE ENFORCED! We are NOT in favor of granting rewards (financial, citizenship, or otherwise) to ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS! This issue will factor in HUGE for Election 2012! The Advocates for immigration lawbreakers in the Democratic party will pay a heavy price--- AMERICANS ARE FED UP! We welcome LEGAL immigrants. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS must be deported!

A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

"The waiver shift is the latest move by President Barack Obama to make changes to immigration policy without congressional action."

War with no approval, fining citizens for not purchasing healthcare, backdoor amnesty for criminals from other countries, "recess" appointments will congress is not in recess, and all the while burying the nation under insurmountable debt.... How sad is it that any citizen in any country in this day and age can be so politically brainwashed to actually support dictatorial behavior such as this?

Impeach Obama.

My goodness what a lot of hate and negativituy is being spewed this morning.

BRAVO Mr. President, another humanitarian act and a bold and decisive move to help keep families together and put them on the road to "legal" status in their new homes here in the US.

Why don't you xenophobic nay-sayers ask yourselves one very simple question. Trot out that trite old slogan, "What would Jesus do?" Now answer honestly. If you answered honestly then you know that the preachings of Jesus tell us to embrace these newcomers. Help them find jobs, homes and acceptance here. Most of all we know from his teachings he loved children and he would want to keep those families together if for no other reason than to benefit help the children.

We are talking about human beings here. Living, breathing, working, praying, human beings who have come here to build a better life for themselves and their families. Isn't that the quintessential American story? Isn't that why all our forebears came here?

We have a large Hispanic population here in OKC. They are hard-working, religious, family-oriented and good people. (And as a by-product we have some of the best Mexican restaurants in the Southwest, but I digress)

Aren't you GOP hard-noses supposed to be the "family values" party? Don't you OWN that brand exclusively? Aren't you the "holier-than-thou" evangelical party? Well, why don't you act like it? Why don't you stand up for these families? Why don't you practice what Jesus preached?

But we all know why don't we?

Good work Mr. President, it's about time.

Obama/Biden 2012

Reply to Skip-OKC--- Maybe your large hispanic population is okay by hard-working and good people-- but here in Providence, RI--every night on the news the ones being arrested, shot, or wanted are the ones with names you could never pronounce and they make up are majority for our high welfare rate... So I say C-YA!!!!! Just maybe some out of work ENGLISH speaking LEGAL American might want that job as a garbage man-- they make excellent money...

Sure..they came to build a better life and immediately broke the laws of the nation and continue to do so each and every day they stay. As was already pointed out, go try and steal or harm someone and then claim that going to jail (think along the lines of deportation) will be a burden on your spouse or parent; you'd get laughed out of the courtroom as they haul you away.

Why is it that illegal immigrants, people who have broken the very basic of laws, get a pat on the head, a "glad you are here" slap on the back and a "we will help you anyway we can" declaration?

Now, on the flip side, I don't have a problem with the DREAM act in its idea, just some of its provisions and with a chnage in some of those provisions I would support it. I don't blame a child brought here as a child with no way to consent or not consent to being brought across our borders in an illegal manner but an age limit as to when they admit to being illegal needs to be set. In other words, if somoene was brought into the country when they were 3 years old and are now claiming it when they are 40+ (just a figurative age here to make the point), no, that doesn't fly.

As well, any child (or adult by age) that gets that waiver would need to have the restriction placed that they cannot sponsor other illegal family members.

@Welfare,
The law is aimed generally at citizens who marry non-citizens. Those non-citizens who marry citizens should have an easy path to citizenship (once the marriage is determined valid of course). The current path demands that the non-citizen return to his/her country while the government decides if they qualify for a waver, but that could take up to 6 months. And if they don't get the waver they have to stay out of the country for 10 years. This is a ridiculous law, banning someone for 10 years. The worst part is to beat the 10 year bar it can often cost upwards of $10,000. The lawyer makes that money, not the government. Why not simplify the process, increase the government fees, reduce what the lawyers make on this process and everyone wins?

And please, if Americans wanted jobs the fields in Alabama were full of rotting food because no one would pick them. Since E-verify started in Utah (I don't live there, just have property there) the fast food industry has been hit with a labor shortage to the point that few if any can stay open past 10.

So we shouldn't listen to the law, in your words, Nick.

I could understand if these people tried obtaining legal status in the United States like they should be doing properly, but they don't-- most don't even try. They bloody jump the border for riches, and very very few of them ever do it for "family". You must be lucky to have found some good people... why don't you try and urge them to seek legal status without coming here illegally? It would make things less harder for them.

And I don't mean depending on a guy with a solid lying streak looking to collect his future votes.

"When an alien resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the alien. The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself." Leviticus 19:33-34

"Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt." Exodus 22:21

"Do not oppress an alien; you yourselves know how it feels to be aliens, because you were aliens in Egypt." Exodus 23:9

"When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him." Leviticus 19:33

"The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:34

"...help him as you would an alien or a temporary resident, so he can continue to live among you." Leviticus 25:35

"Hear the disputes between your brothers and judge fairly, whether the case is between brother Israelites or between one of them and an alien." Deuteronomy 1:16

"And you are to love those who are aliens, for you yourselves were aliens in Egypt." Deuteronomy 10:19

"Let him live among you wherever he likes and in whatever town he chooses. Do not oppress him." Deuteronomy 23:16

"Cursed is the man who withholds justice from the alien, the fatherless or the widow." Deuteronomy 27:19

"The LORD watches over the alien and sustains the fatherless and the widow, but he frustrates the ways of the wicked." Psalm 146:9

This is what the LORD says: Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of his oppressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the alien, the fatherless or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place. Jeremiah 22:3

"Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless, the alien or the poor." Zechariah 7:10

“Thus says the LORD of hosts: ‘Render true judgment, and show kindness and compassion toward each other. Do not oppress the widow or the orphan, the alien or the poor; do not plot evil against one another in your hearts.’" Zechariah 7:9-10

"The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself.... I am the LORD your God." Leviticus 19:34

@ Jeff

Obama has deported more illegals than any other President before him, so calling him "weak" in illegal immigration is just partisian rhetoric.

Sorry that's just not right. More illegals have been deported while Obama was president is true. That's because of an major increase in border patrol captures and Obama can't really interfere with those. Obama has publicly complained that he hasn't been able to do enough to slow deportations. (Said as an explanation during an interview directed at Latinos.) So the fact is he is weak on illegal immigration. The fact is he would be even weaker on immigration if he could figure out how to stop boarder agents from capturing illegals. Obama has made great strides in reducing the number of deportations for illegals after they are out of reach of the Boarder Patrol.

If you forgive others their transgressions, your heavenly Father will forgive you.

But if you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your transgressions.

Jesus Christ, as quoted in Matthew 6:14-15

This new policy is actually counterproductive to the cause. Providing extra incentives to illegally enter the country, and just worry about your citizenship later is only going to encourage more people to break the law.

We need to start with reducing the waiting time to become a citizen for people who are NOT sneaking in. Get rid of that stupid test that revolves around US history. Many natural citizens don't know the answers anyway, so it isn't fair to expect a foreigner to learn them.... unless of course you are willing to revoke legal status of people who were born here and failed US History. Not willing to do that? Okay then...

Apply liability to those that came here illegally as an adult (18+ years). You should be able to determine if they were brought here as children by looking at records of schools they claim to have enrolled in. Those who crossed over as an adult are found guilty and put on automatic probation for a set number of years and give them hefty fines. Base the amounts of these fines on whether or not they've been paying taxes during their stay here. If they've been using someone's social security number illegally they are also convicted of identity theft and the probation period is extended. Fine them for that too. But there are ways that the IRS can audit someone's tax records to determine if more than one person has been using the SS# to pay taxes over the years. Plus there are plenty of identity theft firms that research fraud all the time so we already have technology in place to keep track.

So the incentive for obtaining citizenship the right way is that you are not paying out the a$$ for breaking the law and you don't have a criminal record right off the bat.

People with criminal records both here and in Mexico will be denied citizenship, depending on how many convictions and the nature of the crimes. Violent criminals for example: Hell no, they get deported!

Yes this will require a ton of research. That creates jobs cause the gov't will need to hire a ton of assistants and accountants to work with illegals.

After this is all in place, THEN and only THEN should we entertain the idea of shortening the wait time to re-enter the country. But definitely start with the people who are trying to do it the right way FIRST. Not only for Mexicans, but we need to consider people in other 3rd world countries that have it a lot worse and don't have the option of just jumping the fence. People dealing with genocide, rape, famine, starvation, civil war, etc... People who would consider Mexico a paradise compared to their homeland!

It is time to do what is right and fair to everyone trying to live here. Catering to one nationality for the sake of votes is just as racially biased as those that are accused of being bigots.

Thank you Commonsense.

I note that the rest of the anti-alien crowd simply avoided the question "What would Jesus do?"

Good Job Mr. President, once again you are not only the only adult in the room, you are the only Christian in the room.

And to Welfare Reform, I would look at the overall crime statistics before I commented if I were you. We see what we want to see and remember those things from the evening news that reflect our predispositions. Memory is very selective. I would also suspect that you are watching your local FOX affiliate. Am I right?

Here in Oklahoma the Hispanic population mostly takes the jobs NOBODY else will do. You find them working in McDonalds, roofing houses and working construction. Hard, low-paying jobs that they are happy to have and no white or black American wants. When all the anti-Hispanic legislation starting coming out of our state legislature over the last two years the Chamber of Commerce howled that it would hurt the local economy. And it did. Alabama is experiencing that first hand right now, their new unconstitutional profiling law is causing a mass exodus from that state and is hurting the housing and construction industry because they can't find enough people to do the work.

These are facts my friend, not rhetoric.

Obama/Biden 2012

Rep. Lamar Smith, R-Texas, who chairs the House Judiciary Committee, has been among the most vocal critics and has accused Obama repeatedly of not enforcing immigration law.

Mr. Lamar Smith is an ass. What did his buddy George W. do about immigration? In eight years did we see anything happen?

If you don't live on a border state you have no idea of ALL that comes with illegal immigration and you really can't speak about it in a knowledgeable way. I, as a progressive Democrat want to see something done about it and if that means voting for Ron Paul I may just have to do that.

I heard some interesting statistics about Germany yesterday. German auto workers make on an average of $67. an hour. Their labors get to make the decisions on how the plant will be run. Germany has a form of universal health care AND college education is government paid. Germany is also one of those Euro countries...only one that is doing well.

Somehow our government has been bought by big business and the citizens are getting...excuse my french...screwed. And all this immigration is a part of it. Pay the workers and you will have workers. We had the best economy ever when labor unions were thriving and working for us.

I note that the rest of the anti-alien crowd simply avoided the question "What would Jesus do?"

Perhaps that is because of a little thing called "separation of church and state"? So your solution to allegedly infringing on an alien's civil rights is to violate mine by imposing your religious beliefs on me? Sounds more than a bit hypocritical. Sounds like the pro-alien crowd only wants the constitution applied when it suits their argument!

here in Providence, RI--every night on the news the ones being arrested, shot, or wanted are the ones with names you could never pronounce

Has it occurred to you that justice demands that the INDIVIDUALS who commit violent crime are the ones who should be punished, no matter what their names are, as opposed to punishing everyone who has offended you by having a name that you personally have difficulty pronounding?

By the way, every reputable study ever conducted has found that US citizens commit felony crimes at approximately 5 times the rate of unauthorized immigrants. So your unofficial and unscientific 'survey' of TV news, is not all that informative after all.

And while immigrants make up an increasing proportion of the residents of Providence, the crime rate is FALLING.

they (sic) make up are majority for our high welfare rate...

That comment is a bald-faced LIE.

For one thing, immigrants are not eligible for welfare. For another, unauthorized immigrants have a higher rate of participation in the work force, holding down one and oftentimes multiple jobs, than native-born Americans. Virtually ALL Americans on the welfare rolls were born here, and a majority are 'white'. The largest single 'category' on the welfare rolls nationally are the newly formed 'race' of so-called "non-Hispanic Whites" identified in the US Census for the first time in 2010.

jeffP-14,

"And personally, while only ~25% of our legal citizens go to college, offering American citizenship for a young illegal who probably emigrated here as a child, and without consent, to go to college seems just."

Seems just?!! Child brought here (without consent) by his/her PARENTS and we will end up paying for this kids education because the parents can't afford it? Where the hell is the responsibility for this childs' welfare and education, us or them?

Please tell me where your statistic comes from on how many "legal citizens" actually go to college.

Illegal means Illegal!!!!!

That's exactly what Hitler said about the Jews, right after he made them illegal.

That's what the Supreme Court said about Dred Scott, too, in one of their worst decisions ever.

There is no such thing as an illegal human being. Or are you saying that everyone who has ever exceeded the speed limit, or crossed a street without going to the corner, should be stripped of their right to work and live a normal life because they are "illegal".

we will end up paying for this kids education

What a bunch of baloney. There's nothing in the DREAM Act that provides for funding college tuition for anybody. The Act merely allows thses American kids to attend university and pay tuition JUST LIKE ANY OTHER AMERICAN KID. There's no free ride.

And according to the Congressional Budget Office, passage of the DREAM Act will REDUCE the federal budget deficit.

I wonder when we are going to hear from the small government types and other libertarians who believe that the government has no right to interfere between an employer and an employee or a landlord and a renter, or whether I can marry a non-American, etc.

All of a sudden, when immigration comes up suddenly they are all for Big Government. The hypocrisy would be funny if it weren't so sad. There is no such thing as a libertarian or Small Government type when their own government check or welfare check or unemployment check or government contract is concerned. Among all the millions, never once has someone ever returned a check.

It's just that a lot of people turn "fiscally prudent" when it is someone else's turn.

@ Byron Raum

Agreed! And you'd especially love the debates going on in the vines related to Boeing closing a plant in Kansas.

Suddenly all of these "conservatives" have their panties in a twist that government cutbacks are effecting their red-state

government has no right to interfere between an employer and an employee or a landlord and a renter, or whether I can marry a non-American, etc.

Amen to that!

commonsense....

That's exactly what Hitler said about the Jews, right after he made them illegal.

Please change your username because you clearly don't know what that term means. Your only arguments have been quotes from the bible and invoking Godwin's law! And those don't even apply to the actual laws we have on the books. It is an easy, predictable cop-out to try and compare immigration to genocide. You should be ashamed of your self righteous attitude!

If you are waiting around for a country that has open borders, doesn't check for documents or asks questions when you cross the border and doesn't require proof of citizenship or visa in order to work there then don't hold your breath. It doesn't exist, at least not in western society. Your idealistic expectations do not exist in reality.

I get the whole "illegally crossing the border" thing. If it comes down to keeping my children fed, healthy, safe and educated... I will do the same thing. Something tells you would too.

Keep this in mind. If we continue to lose jobs and none are created... several of our corporations have or are moving into Mexico for cheap labor. Will our tables turn? Would it be Gods way of showing how utterly stupid we are?

Many questions: Why do we have such issues with mexico and not canada? Why not open it all up- after all we are the "Freedom Rings" country.

Hmm, so you would ignore me because I do not have a religious view on this issue, Nicholas? Well, sorry. I'm agnostic. I go to church with my grandmother, simply because I do it for her. While I respect religious views to some extent and you are most certainly welcome to say such things, I do not have to be forcefed your religious viewpoint as if it is the dominant solution. I was stating from reality's standard, not religious beliefs.

Come back when you're actually seeing it from reality's perspective.

Replying to "skip" Nicholson's comment: "I note that the rest of the anti-alien crowd..."

Obviously you went to the liberal school of Dodge, Distort and Deflect. Nobody here is against legal immigrants or legal aliens. We are against ILLEGAL immigrants and immigration. Can you comprehend the difference or does it tax your brain too much?

Jeff P-14
Obama has deported more illegals than any other President before him,....

Would sound good if it were true, but it is not.

Even with the creative accounting used by the Obama administration. The truth is during the Bush administration 1.57 million illegals were deported. As of September 2011, 1.06 million have been deported by the Obama administration. Even using the "new math", 1.57 million is greater than 1.06 million.

However if Mr Obama wants to deport more, he could start with his illegal alien Uncle Onyango and stop the "backdoor amnesty" he started by executive order to the Dept of Homeland Security in August.

MSNDC

No my brain isn't taxed by anything you might contrive. The terms "immigrant" and "alien" are used interchangeably by the xenophobes on this thread. If all you can pick at is semantics then you truly don't belong on this blog. You need to go over to the "chokin' on a gnat" blog and pick nits with those folks.

My choice of terminology has no bearing on the central theme of my dissertation. Personally, I am an atheist. I do not subscribe to ANY organized religion. But I do think the teachings of the Rabbi from Nazareth have worth and if more people actually practiced what he preached we'd all be much better off. Do I think he was the son of God? NO, I don't believe there is such an entity. Do I think his philosophy of kindness, generosity, acceptance and tolerance is the path to a better world here on earth? I certainly do.

Try to grow yourself a heart, read what Jesus and the Christian Bible has to say regarding "aliens" or "immigrants" (pick the term you prefer). Several excellent examples have been provided for you by one of the other posters. It seems pretty clear to me the xenophobes in this country are in direct conflict with what the Bible has to say on the matter. Who knew there were so many non-Christians in this Christian country of ours? Or are they just hypocrites?

Obama/Biden 2012

JeffP-14

We don't need any illegal’s here, do not need more educated citizens, we have enough.

Do you and anyone else wanting a flood of illegal’s made legal in this country not understand that they might be here now working "the jobs that Americans don't want" but as soon as they are legalized they will NOT work for these crooked employers for less than minimum wage. Crooked employers will at some point HAVE to pay minimum wage to continue to employ ANYONE!

The illegal’s will then want at least minimum wage, benefits, retirement, medical, SOCIAL SECURITY, food stamps, TANIF, college, housing and oh so many other benefits that real citizens are now getting.

DO YOU REALLY THINK AMERICANS CAN AFFORD MORE DEAD BEATS????

Wake up America, if you think America is broke now, wait till we take on more. These illegals will still be sending money back to families in Mexico.

Read the statistics, Mexican’s are still the poorest people in America, and those statistics include those illegals. Do you really think that is going to change by making them legal and/or giving them benefits? They will still be the poorest people but then we will have to support them through the government because then they will BE OUR problem and we can’t ship them back. They need to be shipped back. They have not earned OUR jobs, benefits, Social Security, housing, schooling/education/college medical or anything else because they are BREAKING OUR LAWS BY COMING HERE ILLEGALLY!!

@ Skip -

I note that the rest of the anti-alien crowd simply avoided the question "What would Jesus do?"

Easy answer. Jesus Christ would have told the illegal aliens to obey the law of the land they were in and return where they came from and re-enter properly.

(Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.... and also in Romans where we are taught to obey eearthlyauthorities and laws. ) Christ wouldn't have condoned illegal entry into another country.

Which one of your rights was violated?????

The right to purchase or not purchase health care from a private company. . .

You should be ashamed of your self righteous attitude!

Lollypop, if you don't like what God had to say on the matter, take it up with Him. All I'm doing is quoting the Bible.

It's amazing how unequivocal and unchanging the message is on that score, don't you think?

As for unrealistic expectations, at least MY ideas would work. Issue visas and people will cross where they are supposed to. Make it easy to renew a visa (by not forcing someone to leave the country to do so) and people will do that, too. MY ways are enforceable. YOURS are not and NEVER HAVE BEEN, no matter WHO was President or controlled Congress, since their passage by idiots 25 years ago. All that 'open border' nonsense you spew is just that; I never used that term and never advocated such a policy. What I object to is the stupidity of politicians trying to FORCE people and businesses to do what is in NO ONE'S best interest. Let the free market work.

in Romans where we are taught to obey earthly authorities

You conveniently leave out the preceding part where earthly authorities are taught to obey God.

As Peter instructed the Sanhedrin, sometimes we are required to decide whether to obey men or obey God.

The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because the proposed policy change had not been made public.

Hahahahaha.....this Administration has more leaks than a baby's diaper.

Leave it to an "undisclosed, un-named, anonymous senior, White House official to release more Administration BAD DECISIONS to the public....since Mr. Obama cannot take credit for his own BAD DECISIONS.....TYPICAL for a community organizer President.

ILLEGAL is just that.....ILLEGAL......PERIOD !!!!

@ commonsense - no, my point was we are taught to obey the law. If Christ were to comment on this specific question, he would expect people entering this country to do so lawfully. He would have no qualm about illegals being arrested and deported because they broke the law.

That's the limit of my discussion. If you want to carry it further to the whole population of the US, then Christ would not condone someone jumping for joy when someone was arrested, but he would also expect that someone to obey the law and if part of that law included enforcing iimmigrationthen he would expect him to enforce that law too.

You have to be very careful using Christ as an excuse not to enforce or obey a law you don't agree with. Far more often than not that kind of thinking will lead you astray.

I agree with some of the points here, but one I need to call out-commonsense, if you think the illegals are not getting welfare, then you are blind. There is an epidemic of identity theft, and a lot of stolen socials being used by illegals to "legalize" them. Not all of them, but it is rampant. How long ago was it that an article was published about a guy who had some fifty people using his social security number? Utterly destroyed his life, and he had to fight tooth and nail with the SSA to get a new number?

As to the rest of the argument, I think we are all in agreement that the immigration system is broken, and needs to be fixed. The methods to fix it are what is under debate. The point was made that if these people were made legal, they would then be entitled to all kinds of benefits that we just cannot afford, because the lower income earners don't pay taxes. It would strain the system to the breaking point. In this case, tax reform would have to go hand in hand with immigration reform. A graduated flat tax would be one way to solve it, so that everyone would have to pay at least SOMETHING for the services that they receive.

Blanket amnesty is not the answer though, because as others of you have said, it just encourages MORE immigration and abuse of the system. Start with the ones that have been in the system legally reward their hard work. Then work on the ones that came here as kids and had no say in the matter. Throw the rest out and make them work their way back.

Oh, and while they're at it? Change the whole "citizenship at birth" nonsense. Unless you have at least one parent who is a citizen, or possibly even a permanent resident, you should not be granted automatic citizenship. Anchor babies are going to break the system a lot faster than anything else.

Commonsense, I stand in awe of your biblical knowledge. I appreciate your efforts.

It is very sad to read posts like the one from ALWAYSANOTHER. They viciously attack you for quoting a book they claim to revere. They do not address the issue that you and I have raised but attack you instead.

They are so filled with hate and fear they cannot even consider another point of view. They have found Hell on Earth, their unhappiness is palpable.

I appreciate your words and your knowledge, too bad we don't have more like you on this thread.

If Christ were to comment on this specific question,

He is not hard to understand. There is no reason to make anything up.

Over and over He said we are to "love our neighbor" as ourself, and when asked "who is my neighbor?" he made it very clear that the term "neighbor" includes even those ethnic groups we may otherwise feel uncomfortable with because they are 'different' from us.

"You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment.

The second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments." Matthew 22:37-40

There is no need to use popular prejudice as an excuse for twisting the Word as written. It is written as intended, and it says what it says.

Skip, thank you so much. I often feel the hate, but seldom a kind voice on this topic.

I find it odd that self-professed Christians so often turn their backs on Christian teaching. We are tasked with building the Kingdom of God here on Earth, but all too often people are only interested in setting up a system that values themselves, for superficial reasons, above others, which is pretty much the opposite of what we have been taught.

alwaysanotherexcuse, I am not running for office. If I were, I would not expect your vote, nor would I pander to popular prejudice in order to win it. What good does it do to win the world, if in the process you lose your soul?

catsclaw, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

we are all in agreement that the immigration system is broken

Glad to hear it, but changing the Constitution is not the answer. The Constitution is not broken.

if you think the illegals are not getting welfare, then you are blind.

Actually, it's called "research". I've done it on this subject, and it is the haters who are not only 'blind', but also very much in error when it comes to what they percieve as 'fact'.

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, "it's not what the haters don't know that's the problem. It's what they do know that just ain't so that causes all the trouble."

Those people on welfare are US citizens. Do you really think that one person has the time to steal your job, steal your identity, work your job plus an extra job because they're not officially 'entitled' to get paid for their labor, spend all day in the emergency room getting free medical care, AND wait in line at the welfare office all day, while at the same time giving birth?

lower income earners don't pay taxes.

Besides sales tax, property tax, state and local taxes, they pay 15.6 percent in Social Security and Medicare taxes, and if they are unauthorized immigrants, they will never receive Social Security or Medicare benefits. The wealthiest 400 families in America pay only 16.1% of their income in income, Social Security, and Medicare taxes, so those poor people are paying the SAME FLAT AMOUNT rounded off to the nearest percentage point.

@ Commonsense -

Just because you love your neighbor doesn't mean you let him break the law with no consequences. That's where you blow your whole argument. Forgiveness doesn't mean you forgo prison or punishment or deportation in this case. Forgiveness doesn't mean you let people snag the front of the line just because they want to 'right' the wrongs they've committed. That's unfair to those the started out doing things legally. Part of repentance is restitution. How does an illegal alien perform restitution? That's a tough one really because the illegal alien has affected more than just the obvious people.

patriot_in_nh.....(#2.30)...

And in those numbers you posted...the Obama Regime uses a little Accounting trick.....they keep counting the same illegals they deport 2 and 3 times....as "new" deportations.....Thousand upon thousands of them,and in the end....they are all still back here....till the next time the get deported...and counted again....

That's why La Raza, et al.....aren't making a big stink about it.....they know the numbers are just a ploy for the media.

Mike - I hear ya, as I said "creative accounting"

The problem with our immigration laws is we do not allow migrant workers since the 1986 amnesty debacle. Part of that bill did away with the workers visa program so now we have hordes of illegals crossing our borders every day and night. When they get here and make enough money, they pay to bring their entire family here once, rather than take the chance of going home to visit and getting caught trying to sneak in again. Back when we had the worker visa program they could come here legally and work and pay taxes and then go home to visit their loved ones during the holidays and then come back over the border to work the fields again for the next season legally. It was a sane, fair, and humane program. But now through the infinite wisdom of the federal gov they sneak in and then sneak their wife and kids in all at the expense of the taxpayer. After a couple years it becomes cost saving for them especially when they know their kids are going to get a free education as well as a couple of free meals each day and free health care because they have no intention of ever paying. The workers visa program prevented that from happening and also we knew who was coming into this country and for what reason.

,skip Nicholson, Oklahoma City

My goodness what a lot of hate and negativity is being spewed this morning.

Unfortunately, Skip, what we are up against is a well-known fact which is conveniently ignored by the "religious" right (read wrong) who, along with the hate-mongering spokespersons who get paid millions to do their thinking for them, high-jack Christianity during their various, continuing crusades to annihilate all "others."

That fact is:

JESUS WAS NOT A REPUBLICAN!

@ Sheryn_Lou

If you go to any Catholic church in L.A. or the U.S Southwest, you would encounter a huge Hispanic congregate but you are so highly educated otherwise that facts are actually all lies and you spew only the truth. Hardly a racist church as they advocate amnesty for the illegal immigrant. You are just an atheist version of a bigot. Which, ironically is a "BIGOT".

Jesus tried to lift those who were "down" to the level of those who were "up", not lower those who were "up" to the level of those who were "down".

Put the waterpipe down for a while till your head clears up.

Skip Nelson, Oklahoma City: I'm not too worried about what Jesus would do as this is the same person or God that allows thousands of innocent children to be killed every day. I'm pretty sure he doesn't care what an illegal alien is doing. Since you claim it's important to you, what Jesus would do, try the bible. It says in there not to break the laws of the country you are living in. Try James 4:17 for a start. Every illegal alien, except the children, KNOWS they are breaking the laws of the U.S., by sneaking in. Romans 13: 1-7 - like it or not, God has allowed the "rulers of this land" to have the authority to decide the laws. Quit spouting off about "what Jesus would do", if you can't even read your own bible to know what his ideas are.

@ Saeryn Lou -

That fact is:

JESUS WAS NOT A REPUBLICAN!

If you think Christ would be a Democrat then you're dreaming.

Y'all make me laugh, if Jesus were to actually be a "party" he'd be Libertarian.

commonsense I fear you are in error. You confuse the Christian Bible with our Constitution. Proselytizing does not pertain at all to this issue.

Regarding the actual aspect of the article's issues, is the "magnificent" attempt by Mr. Obama to circumvent existing Immigration AND Citizenship laws to be admired? I think not. He evidently has deported less than 2 million law-breaking aliens. Not just the basic laws now on the books broken by those sneaking illegally over our borders and flopping here, but who commit many more crimes once here.

The Pew study and many more put the figure of at least 30,000,000 illegal aliens now residing in the United States. And deporting a tad over 1 million is all he has done? It's less than a grain of dust in the political eye, let alone its effect on our disastrous economy.

I would much prefer to see that these criminals never be allowed to return here. Automatically. If they have relatives left here, how many of them are here legally? Regardless, if they want "to be" with their relatives, let the relatives go where the illegals are residing after deportation where they are citizens.

One last caveat. Look at our laws again. Minor children, including any born here of an illegally here parent, is the citizenship of the parent! The touted "anchor babies" do NOT anchor the parent to our nation; the babies are anchored to their parent in citizenship as well as any other liability for the child's actions. NOT OURS. That means no "entitlements" for a non-citizenship residing here illegally.

That is a general summation, but the details and variations essentially conform to it. It's simple to prove. Just research the actual text of our Federal Law, setting forth requirements for Naturalization (obtaining lawful citizenship by any person a citizen of a non-American country).

The damage that the illegals have foisted on this country far exceeds any convenience to individuals hiring them (illegally), or "liberal" convictions of social workers who, perhaps through ignorance, do not themselves obey the laws of this land.

One last thought. How can the Department of Justice, at Mr. Obama's direction, even begin to attack Arizona's laws which fulfill the laws of the land. Their's is an extensively illogical muddle used to defend the Fed's case. Trying to use one aspect of our Constitution to attack another aspect... and doing it illogically, is unconscionable.

Mr. Obama is NOT allowed, Constitutionally, to "make" new laws. His function is simply to enforce the laws that Congress makes. The "Executive Branch" is too often misunderstood as the word "executive" as a noun is today interpreted to mean head honcho. As a verb, however, "to execute" means in its Constitutional context, to see that Congress's laws are enforced... to execute their mandates, NOT his own.

I just do not like Mr. Obama's rationalizations of his unwieldy positions, like killing our soldiers off by his unratified war against Libya. It's ugly.

I continue to be amazed by the lemmings.

If a persons first act is breaking the law entering a country then they shouldnt be allowed to stay.

Obama needs more votes so he does what ever he can to make sure he gets them. Lord help us all...

And when you'll realize that the "illegal" workforce is what makes your food cheaper, because the LAZY AMERICANS don't want to do the dirty job???? Let expels every single illegal (more than 14 million) and then seat an lets see how our economy flourish with a shrunk market (those 14 or more million are customers someplace, do you know?) and when our companies shipped out the last job that any American can do, will see how we will bounce back.....

He's gone against the will of the people most of his time in office. He's gone around congress and around the constitution.

The President has never gone against the will of the people and around the constitution. Some may argue that the Affordable health care bill was an example. However, the people supported a stronger bill, but the Republicans and some Democrats would not get on board. The American people support higher taxes on the super rich and the Republicans will here none of this. They site the slogan, “you can’t raise taxes on the job creators.” Of course we ask, “where are the jobs?”

As far as Congress is concerned, if they would do their jobs and stop the stall game, the President would not have to use the powers granted to him by the constitution.

And when you'll realize that the "illegal" workforce is what makes your food cheaper

#1 - Why is the word illegal in quotes? They are either working legally in the United States or they are not. No grey area here.

#2 - Are you suggesting that in exchange for cheap tomatoes you are willing to open the front door of the house and not keep a guest list?

(those 14 or more million are customers someplace, do you know?)

Easily offset by the lack of tax filiers and benefit/welfare consumption. Try being a consumer AND a taxpayer. Then they'll have a place at the table.

BTW, why are we in such a huge hurry to turn the United States of America into Mexico 2.0? Numbers dictate that they are flocking here, not the other way around. Let's keep that in perspective and ask why.

Hernan...please stop with the worn out cheaper food crap. Studies have shown that the presence of illegal aliens, considering cost vs benefits, has a very small benefit to the overall economy. Ridding the country of illegals would not have negative affect on the economy in the long-term.

On another note, assuming you're an American, I guess your OK with foreigners violating your countries borders? And I guess you're the one telling all the people who stood in line and waited to come into the country legally that they're a bunch of saps. You really need to re-assess your values friend.

@Job1,

You might want to check the polls on Obamacare, both when he forced it through and now.

The high majority of the rich already pay far more taxes than the average middle class. It's the ones that that don't that need to be targeted, and that isn't raising their taxes, it's closing loop holes and making them pay the taxes that they should be already paying. Raising taxes on the rich isn't going to do much towards helping the deficit, yet the liberal politicians give out sound bites like it'll solve all of our problems.

As far as "where are the jobs?", there have been plenty of interviews done on small business owners. It's all the regulations that is raising their costs, along with the uncertianity of what this Administration is going to do next that is part of what is holding back hiring. The rest is just a bad economy.

I don't agree with what Congress is doing (along with the extreme high majority of the citizens). Republicans won't come to the table, and Democrats won't compromise. The president is not using the powers given to him by the constitution. Forcing in his 'recess' appointments are a fine example.

Here's a question for you since you seem to be a liberal and Obama supporter. What would you do if this was a republican president in office right now doing what Obama is doing? This isn't so much about which party the president belongs to, it's more about the precedence he's setting for future presidents. And I garuntee you there will be a republican president in office in the future. How will you feel when he looks back and says "Obama got away with this, so can I"?

Obama is destroying the faith in the office, and that is extremely reckless. Using sound bites like "I won't take no for an answer".

Obama isn't just hurting this country with his class warfare, his support of illegals, his healthcare bill, etc. He's hurting this country far deeper affecting our beliefs and deeping the divide between the citizens along party lines. Of course, he isn't the only one guilty of that, all of our politicians, both sides of the aisle, are encouraging that along.

Which is why I don't fall on either side of the aisle. I'm not going to have a bunch of rich, selfish, bought and paid for politicians telling me what I should or shouldn't believe in. I prefer to think with the mind God gave me. :)

The funny part is that when the economy of this country goes well, Americans don't have any problem hiring Pedro, Marta o Teresa to do the chores in the house or go under 120F to pick fruit for you to eat, but when the "wallet hurts" they are the scum of the world stealing "our" jobs. Why don't you complain that every major Corporation in America "shipped" out every job to China, India and even Vietnam (they were our enemies no long ago?) for make more "profit" for their shareholders. The American worker? Fine thank you!

Hypocrites!!!!

For Herman33189: It's not that Americans are lazy, the difference is in lifestyle. Most Americans grow up and grew up in the middle class lifestyle, living in single family homes. They expect that their working years will also be middle class, where they own their own home. The cost of living for the middle class lifestyle is expensive. Thus working low wage jobs does not afford them a middle class lifestyle.

The lifesytles of a new immigrants from South American countries is not the same as American middle class. Immigrants, living in America, in apartments, often with 2 families sharing the apartmen to afford rentt, working low wages jobs is better than what they had in their home country. Especially with the social programs available in America that provide food, medical care, child care, education and even subsidies for rent, that are not offered by their home country.

What most immigrants don't get is that their here because our country wants them here. The largest segment of the American population, baby boomers are retiring in the next 20 years. All 78 million of them. To fund the social security and medicare for those seniors requires a large working population. That's where the immigrants come into play. They replace the baby boomers, and more importantly, replace them as low wage workers, not the high priced workers the baby boomers were.

America needs low wage, semi skilled laborers to be competitive with other countries in a global economy. America does not need high prices workers which makes goods and services uncompetitive in a global economy.

If immigrants really looked at what's going on, they would see that Mexico started their escalation on the drug war in the last part of 2006 and really got going in 2007, that made Mexico very dangerous to traverse. With the housing industry busting in 2008, which large portions of immigrants worked in, leaving America for their home country traversing Mexico also is impossible. That was done by design.

America wants the immigrants here and stay here, working low wage jobs.

What American style of life? If Americans sold the standard of life to the "comfort" of the technology.

Let me ask you something. In the 50's and the 60's, how many shopping malls did we had in America? Who used to work on Sunday? How many "channels" do you have in your TV? How many TV's in your house?

Americans were giving away those customs to become more technology addicts and forgot about the values that made America great. We used to breakfast or dinner with our parents (and don't you dare to say I don't want), We shared time with our kids and taught them values as family, country. etc

Today we have so many different schedules for work, school, etc that you don't even know when you're gonna spend time with your family. The kids eats in their room or watch their shows on Tv there (they have Tv and cable in the room also). Is not an American issue, is a worldwide issue. Our malls practically are open 24/7/365 (night crews still works there when there is no public inside) If you work in retail forget to have Saturday and Sundays off (some companies requires for certain employees to work Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays mandatory, and if you don't like it, there's the door)

So, the Americans became lazy and rely on the cheaper labor from the illegals who are willing to do whatever for they need the money. I don't see Americans climbing on roofs with 120F to do the job for $7.25/hr (and I won't, because is a dangerous job)

With a name like Hernan-- should we check into whether you are legal.. Just saying-- I am tired of buying products that I can't read because they are in Spanish.... I bought a cake mix a while back, not really looking at the back of the box-- 1st set of directions were in Spanish bottom had them in English-- WTF... I refuse to buy that product again (Sorry Betty Crocker) and some products don't even have any English instructions-- JUST SPANISH... Hello are we not in America!!!! Learn the f#@@ing language reading and speaking or deal with not being able to communicate.. Also they are allowed to have a translator for a driving test-- Hello-- if they cannot read the f#@#ing test, how are they going to read STOP, YIELD, or anything else on the road and who's to say that person translating is not giving them the answers... Bunch of bull..... We are WAYYYY to politically correct today and are affraid to offend anyone- I say if you don't like it-- go back to your country (which they always go back to bring money home to relatives there and then will hang their Country's flag outside their home and shout out via la Mexico-- then why did you leave? Oh that's right to come to America to get free stuff I forgot...

Look, the laws of economics are the most powerful force in the world. So ask yourselves, do we want to eat food grown here, or in Mexico? If the agricultural sector of the economy suddenly began paying a lower middle class salary the price of food would go up. Then when you were at the grocery store forced with the choice between produce from the U.S. and produce from Mexico at half the price you will probably go with the cheaper produce. Essentially ensuring that either way, the person willing to take the lower wage will be the one picking the produce.

Another thought America, stop doing cocaine and maybe then Mexico could finally get rid of it's drug cartels so that people would just stay in Mexico.

@Welfare,
You clearly have no global business sense and I imagine working at radio shack affords you vast amounts of time to spew stupid throughout the net. Packaging is in Spanish because many products, (especially dry food like cake mixes) go to both Mexico and the U.S. I work in the autoparts industry and because Mexican law requried us to have warning labels in Spanish and the U.S. didn't require warning labels in any language we just printed warning labels in Spanish for both markets. It saved us around 7 cents a unit. Packages being written in Spanish have little to do with illegal immigration.

To Michael 1969:

Numbers dictate that they are flocking here, not the other way around. Let's keep that in perspective and ask why.

They are indeed flocking here, but the money they make, legally or not, is going back to Mexico to support family there which ends up supporting the country. If the U.S. were to come under attack how many of those who flocked here would stay and help protect this country instead of flocking back to Mexico?

Great numbers of those who flocked here are only staying until (and if) the Mexican drug cartels are brought back under control which MIGHT help bring their corrupt government under control as well.

Obama isn't doing this out of the kindness of his heart. He is doing this for the votes, nothing else. There are enough illegals here that would benefit from this "feel good" change that he would benefit greatly in November. Why do you think he is so busy when every one else is on recess?

@dem-- I own my own business and work 2 part time jobs, not in retail either-- in the education department- so smoke that. Unfortunately with your "american's stop doing drugs and they will stay in Mexixco"- yeah right-- they bring the @!$%# over with them to make America more like Mexico. I am just stating that I personally will not buy a product that has Spanish first.. Sorry.. We need to take OUR country back soon we will be the minority-- as someone else stated this is all about the votes for Obama and there are way tooo many imigrants so he knows where the votes are---they out number us.

@comonsense-- so I should go rob a bank to help pay my bills (which is illegal) and when I get arrested I could just put on a sob story of how "mine sis-ter is aaaa pregnant and mine mo-ther is seeekkk so I come to deese country for monies" and I will not be arrested??? NOT!!!

For the college thing-- most americans cannot afford college today because not everyone pays-- imigrants get college for free-- if everyone paid the same amount then college education would not be soooo expensive for the one's that HAVE to pay....

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne,

and all the nations will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.

For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,

naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.'

Then the righteous will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink?

When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you?

When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?'

And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.'

Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink,

a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.'

Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?'

He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.'

And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

Matthew 25:31-46

they bring the @!$%# over with them to make America more like Mexico

Another falsehood.

Rampant drug addiction is characteristic of the United States, not Mexico.

The drug cartels make lost of money feeding American drug addictions. Only the addicts and the politicians who rule the addicts habits illegal are to blame.

The brainless bigots who prefer wasting money to implementing rational immigration rules povide the cartels with a second source of income: shepherding unauthorized immigrants from around the world across our borders.

Legalize immigration and it can be regulated. Make it a crime, and pay the consequences of dysfunctionality. Like prohibition, the 'cure' is worse than what it purports to 'remedy'.

Stop fighting the free market; the number of immigrants is, as has been for decades, roughly equal to the number of jobs available for foreigners.

Making it a crime for unauthorized immigrants to work does not provide jobs for citizens, it eliminates them, and sends factories overseas.

so I should go rob a bank to help pay my bills

What an insipid analogy.

Robbing a bank is a felony crime and victimizes others. The money stolen belongs to someone else, and when you rob the money, you take from them something that is rightfully theirs.

Moving to the United States harms no one. The people who move here are buying their own houses r paying rent. They are not TAKING anything from anyone.

Crossing the border without inspection is a civil misdemeanor, as is overstaying a visa, which is as it should be, since no one is actually victimized by the transgression. Sort of like driving five miles over the speed limit or jaywalking without actually causing an accident.

See the difference?

If it's not against the law for ME to work, why should it be against the law for YOU to work?

If we really wanted to cut illegal immigration by at least 80% we need only do two things, both of which would actually save the US tremendous amounts of money; with an optional 3rd thing to seal the deal.

1. End the War on Drugs. Numerous groups that help bring illegals into the US pull double-duty as drug runners. Their primary source of income and logistics comes from mule'ing, secondarily from the pittance they get from the people desperately trying to get across the border. If we destroyed the black market for drugs through complete legalization and commercialization, it would not only end the lucrative business for drug cartels, organized crime, and gangs to get their ammo and commit their other felonies; it would also be a boon to tax revenues and save billions annually in public services like incarceration, drug enforcement and all the costs of lengthy investigations on drug busts.
2. Stiffen the penalties for employers of illegal aliens into a 1st time felony offense (also make it strong enough to pierce the corporate veil to press charges on hiring managers on-up even in large corporations). Most illegal immigration is for one purpose; to work and make money. If we remove the primary reason that most illegal aliens come into the country, it will make a massive dent on the problem. One can see just how much illegal immigration is tied to employment opportunities; at the outset of the recent recession, the rate of illegal immigration dropped incredibly, and many were self-deporting, with their families even! We don't need to establish barbaric and draconian measures that separate family from anchor children, we need simply go after employers for the tax and labor standards cheats that they are.
3. End the instant-citizenship-clause of the 14th amendment. No other 1st world country does this! Children should only citizens if they are actually born from at least 1 parent who is a citizen. There are numerous countries that are exploiting what's called "birth tourism" in the US and make use of this opportunity to grant their children all of the preferential access to US public benefits that the rest of us pay for. Additionally, numerous illegal immigrants that come to work here utilize their children's SSID's to access these benefits, including subsidized housing, foodstamps, WIC, Aid to Families of Dependent Children, public schools, subsidized daycare, etc. so that the illegals may not only work under the table, but be able to pocket all of the income and use state/federal subsidies to pay for their expenses.

If we dealt with at least the first 2, it would reduce our nation's burden significantly. Dealing with the 3rd would be icing on the cake, but I believe it is not as necessary.

In any sense, Obama would never broach these issues. There's far too much money to be made in the private prison industry and far too many government workers employed in the DEA and police departments to let go of a police-state mentality. Additionally, if you're KB Home or any number of other construction contractors, you've got a lot riding on being able to undercut the market-rate for labor on construction projects. And finally, truly taking an effective approach to dealing with illegal immigration is going to play against all of the interest groups that want to see it continue unabashed.

hernan33189

"Lazy Americans..." Americans fight for decent wages because we can. It is our right! If the employers were penalized for sneaking around and hiring the wetbacks that would stop.

And I for one do all my own labor and don't hire out, regardless of what it is. When I had children living at home I came home daily and cooked and had dinner with my children. I do not eat out, shop or anything else on Sunday's so get off your rant, not everyone lives like you obviously do. This is about Obama and any one else that has tried this crap. This is about what the majority of the "legalized" people want and our leaders not listening to us. This is not what a handfull of "maybe" legal mexican's want so they can bring their whole families here to mooch off the government. We expect our leaders to uphold their oath. WE, THE PEOPLE (MASS VOTE HERE) DO NOT WANT ILLEGALS LEGALISED!! Get it.

We don't need any illegal’s here, we have enough.

Do you and anyone else wanting a flood of illegal’s made legal in this country not understand that they might be here now working "the jobs that Americans don't want" but as soon as they are legalized they will NOT work for these crooked employers for less than minimum wage. Crooked employers will at some point HAVE to pay minimum wage to continue to employ ANYONE!

The illegal’s will then want at least minimum wage, benefits, retirement, medical, SOCIAL SECURITY, food stamps, TANIF, college, housing and oh so many other benefits that real citizens are now getting.

DO YOU REALLY THINK AMERICANS CAN AFFORD MORE DEAD BEATS????

Wake up America, if you think America is broke now, wait till we take on more. These illegals will still be sending money back to families in Mexico.

Read the statistics, Mexican’s are still the poorest people in America, and those statistics include those illegals. Do you really think that is going to change by making them legal and/or giving them benefits? They will still be the poorest people but then we will have to support them through the government because then they will BE OUR problem and we can’t ship them back. They need to be shipped back. They have not earned OUR jobs, benefits, Social Security, housing, schooling/education/college medical or anything else because they are BREAKING OUR LAWS BY COMING HERE ILLEGALLY!!

They are either working legally in the United States or they are not.

Only a fool would make WORKING a 'crime'.

The right to WORK is a basic, unalienable human right, granted by our Creator, who not only ALLOWS us to work, but COMMANDED that we do so.

But for the Hitler fans, that's what he did, too. First he made it against the law for Jews to WORK, then he rounded them up into PRISONS and deported them, and then he realized that is was cheaper to kill them than deport them.

Congratlations, Hitler fans, you're winning the argument!

It takes colossal hypocrisy to say that the civil misdemeanors regarding immigration rules ought to carry more weight than the Constitution of the United States of America, which is the supreme law of our land. You use the word "illegal" to describe both people and the act of earning an honest living, while calling for the Constitution, the felony laws on drugs, and employment laws all to be violated.

Seriously...

Agreed, let's get the 14th erased from the constitution and get all the anchor babies out of the country, Starting with Mit Romney!

Search his parent!

So Serious, Get Serious!

@ RamFla

We cannot make laws ex post facto (i.e. after the fact).

The anchor children are here to stay. And Obama is working to pass a rule that would expedite the rate at which they can get their family's citizenship established.

But honestly, this is fine. We've already got laws on the books that allows people to apply for citizenship and we've created a clause that they must first get a proper visa, and must do so from their home country.

As soon as these people have proper documentation, they are part of the system, they cannot work under the table, they cannot commit felonies and disappear into the sea of the untraceable, etc etc etc.

This setup is ok by me, and if it is able to work faster and have more applicants rather than lawbreakers go around it, all the better.

I don;t like this one bit. There will be a sacrifice expected of those applications who are doing the right thing and applying legally. These so called waivers will move to the head of the line.

There is NO sanction either. I would expect that they be at least fined $5,000 per person for the violation to begin with. This is indeed a Backdoor Amnesty.

Now, instead of reviewing the law, his policy will be implemented through the backdoor?

yup, that's how its gotta get done... no different than how any other president got it done.. if repubs wanna play games so will the pres.. good for him, it is why they put these measures in place to allow the pres to get things done when an opposing party is trying to stone wall him..

don't act like your being slighted, sitting in your warm house with your family, this has nothing to do with you, stupid.. grow up and realize there are more people in the world with issues than you.. its not about you and your Internet access, and your news outlet.. this involves real issues..

just go down to starbucks and get your self a cup of coffee and think about how bad you got it.. dummy..

American citizens can bring their blood relatives into the states before anyone else,therefore when you make one illegal legal, you open the door to all of his/her's family.The immigration act was written to make it good for a country that was under populated into a more populated and productive nation .It has reached that stage now and is now over it's peak.

now your thinking, but then again, whats wrong with that..? come on in, its how you got here..

J and J, like how you think: if someone does something wrong, some else should be able to so something wrong. Life would be better if everyone lives like this or is that what your are suggesting?

Critical thinking or thinking in gerneral seems to slipping- my opinion only.

Have a good week.

instead of reviewing the law

If the idiots in Congress would pass sensible immigration rules, we wouldn't need to discuss these things.

It's the bigoted morons in Congress that are shirking their duties for reasons of the worst kind of politics.

Nobody complains about the good people who became American citizens under Ronald Reagan's Presidency.

But EVERYBODY agrees that our current immigration rules are worthless, dysfunctional, work contrary to our national self-interest, and DO NOT WORK.

Such mean people, your god must love you.. sheep..

What the h___l are you talking about? Are you one of the crazy birthers?

It's a common known fact that the President's uncle is here illegally sheesh.

He is referencing Obama's illegal aunt and uncle; Zeituni Onyango and Omar Onyango.

Immigrants who do not have criminal records and who have only violated immigration laws can win a waiver if they can prove that their absence would cause an "extreme hardship" for their citizen spouse or parent.

The government has no right to interfere in people's marriages in the first place.

"What God has joined together, let no man tear asunder."

He is referencing Obama's illegal aunt and uncle

Grammatically, you are implying that those people have no legal right to be related to the President.

What you really mean is, well never mind.

Grammar? How so? Was/is? How about a little common comprehension?

The solutions are incredibly simple, and they come from the core principles of the Bible, the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, and Free Market economics.

STOP the inane attempts at SOCIAL ENGINEERING. That didn't work for Hitler, nor did it work for the Soviet Union.

If people want to come here, let 'em, give 'em a visa, make the process a SIMPLE one, require them register and check in from time to time. If they can find a job, they can stay. If they can't find a job within a reasonable frame of time, so sorry, so long, maybe try again at a later date, but now you have to go.

End the QUOTAS designed to limit the numbers of certain ethnic groups. End the WAITING periods of decades on end. Put to rest for ALL TIME the foolish notion that screwball politicians in 1986 had a better idea of what types of 'skills' the American economy would need in 2012 than the farmers and businesses who are actually doing the hiring.

In 1986, dumb politicians set a quota on unskilled laborers of 5,000 per year. Every year since then, American businesses have hired an average of close to 500,000 foreign-born laborers, and taught them the skills needed to be valuable employees. Add it up, those are the 10.8 million unauthorized immigrants.

Ever since the government started DICTATING whom businesses could hire, factories have been shutting their doors, moving production overseas, and costing millions of CITIZENS their jobs.

The only reason the Republican Party opposes immigration reform is because Nazi admirer John Tanton put forth the proposition that "immigrant equals Democrat" 60 percent of the time.

Stupid is as stupid does.

have you know idea what goes on in our government? very little would be considered by civilian laws.. dummys

Legally, he has the right to set certain rules, as that authority can be delegated by Congress in specific circumstances governing specific issues, and in this case, it was.

grow up, you havent a clue..

"The waiver shift is the latest move by President Barack Obama to make changes to immigration policy without congressional action."

War with no approval, fining citizens for not purchasing healthcare, backdoor amnesty for criminals from other countries, "recess" appointments will congress is not in recess, and all the while burying the nation under insurmountable debt.... How sad is it that any citizen in any country in this day and age can be so politically brainwashed to actually support dictatorial behavior such as this?

Impeach Obama.

pjam09,

I hate to break it to ya but the country was buried in debt before Obama stepped into office. Fighting 2 wars at $10 billion/month and tax breaks for the rich didn't exactly enrich this country.

Congress refuses to act, PJ, so the President is being the adult in the room and doing his part to further the nation's interests. If I recall, that's the same excuse the teabaggers used to pass their unconstitutional immigration bills, and I didn't hear you complaining. Something about "if the government refuses to do anything, someone else should." In fact, I distinctly remember you using that very excuse yourself...

Toasty McGrath....I see it as the President being the sneaky child trying to skirt house rules.

He's not in the House of Representatives, Mom. If you don't like how the constitution is written, call up the Founders and complain.

Toasty...child...house...home please follow the analogy. I don't like how the President seems to bypass his equals in Government...Congress certainly needs to investigate these incursions and maybe it is time for the Supreme Court to review the Presidents actions as well...

My point is that the man's just doing his job as the U.S. Constitution defines it.

Toasty and my point is...The man's job is to work with Congress and to Protect the United States. He should not be rewriting the working parts of immigration law rather working to reinforce our borders.

That said...ICE seems to be doing their job...if Janet N would just let them the US would be in much better shape. If the President wishes to get involved with Immigration then maybe he should start by giving ICE the OK to deport his dear auntie and his drunk Uncle back to their country of Nationality.

He is playing with the American policy for political gain and that is as distasteful as his using the US treasury to repay political favors to businesses, Unions and other pay to play participants.

In fact, I distinctly remember you using that very excuse yourself...

So do I. You're busted, PJ.

"will eventually become legal so why punish them"

Um, perhaps because they broke the law??? You'll eventually stop speeding, right? bankrobbers will eventually stop robbing banks right? murderers will probably even stop murdering, right? .... so why bother being civilized?

So we should punish the family of a speeder or bank robber or murderer, PJ? Just break up a family before a trial?

I'm personally not against this change in the law, and I'm against illegal immigration.

These people are sponsoring these family members for citizenship, and there's already a procedure for doing so. I'd rather allow the process to speed up than to simply continue supporting an under-class of pre-citizens.

I just hope that the US also gets tough on the sponsor for these people's citizenship. I don't want people just being able to get sponsorship, become a citizen, and then apply for every public benefit under the sun without the sponsor feeling the financial pinch first and foremost.

Where they belong, I might add.

@!$%#

Pete That's what I like. No insults Just a person with an idea!!

Give them a sandwich and a bottle of water, put them on a bus with their anchor babies and drop them at the border. They will NOT have a problem crossing into Mexico as miles of the border are unprotected.

Their "anchor babies" are citizens of this country and therefore cannot be deported.

Joyce- Were you this freaked out about illegals during Bush's 8 years? 2 wars a bad economy, but the President should magically fix everything? He has put more boarder patrols in place, and has deported more illegals in 3years than Bush did in 8. Sorry but your so called anchor babies are citizens.

Nothing like yacking about stuff you make up. Who is against consumer protection?? The lack of it got us into this economic mess we are in now.

D G - Consumer protection is one thing. Needless laws combined with bloated bureaucracy are another. Do you even have a clue as to how much it will cost companies to comply with the new laws? Do you have a clue as to how many more workers will be added to the government payroll to protect consumers?

In the end consumers will not be one bit better off than we were before the bill passed.

M.J. - Everyone who isn't dumb enough to trade their vote for the promise of "free" handouts is very concerned.

DG, agree that were regulations and business did not comply, too many laws with nobody to enforce them contributed to the mess.

But, when govt and banks make a policy change that advocates that every American should be "entitled to a home" and threw out "common sense" (very uncommon these days), we gave loans to too the those who were NOT credit worthy. As long as the rest of America was doing ok with their 401K, IRAs or stock investments- nobody cared???? Those that were screaming about the danger of this risk of Fed policy, Fannie and Freddie and sub-prime lending (as far back to 2000), too many called them "chicken little" types. The sad thing about the entire mess, is that we saw the same thing happen in Japan (real estate bust) and we "copied" them (go figure- we always criticized them for being copycats). I was one of those "chicken little" types, I got out of the market before the crash, moved my 401K our of equity and was saved from massive losses.

Too many look for who to blame without looking into mirror. Our American culture has become maters at being a vitim, greed and even hate is on the rise.

If we can control our emotions and go back to a thinking society, recognize that truth, we can restore our self to the greatness that many of us remember. We need to learn situational ethics or personal truth mentality has never worked for any culture (over time).

Have a good week.

wow, your a smart one.. every president uses recess appointments to get things done, the federal reserve was created this way.. you act as if obama uses measure unheard of.. wake up, no one believes your bullsht..

LBJ?? you are clueless.. your just a brainwashed sheep..

Oh, he should negotiate a deal? please, as if the rest of the world isn't aware of congress and their anti-obama agenda.. i sincerely hope you are, and are just throwing your poop around.

dont be a sheep.. it makes you useless to the world..

The recess appointments would've been find if the senate had actually been in recess.

The senate was actually in recess.

No president has ever made "recess" appointments during only a 3-day break in sessions.

this whole notion that by bypassing congress he is some how subverting the will of the people is horsesht.. the people give congress a 17% approval rating.. they do not represent the people.. i and every other liberal am american, and we all agree, so this is the will of the people.

so to correct your statement, he " by pass congress and the will of the sheep "

your god hates you, dont project that onto me.

J the J - I think you need to study the Constitution a little more. It clearly defines the role of the Judicial, the President, the House and the Senate.

Obama is violating the laws by bypassing the Judicial and Legislative branches.

It is obvious that this President wishes to give a pass to many illegal immigrants in this country, look what came of his welfare auntie....the oddity is that many are so focused on Mexicans and other Latin illegal immigrants that we are neglecting the big picture. Illegal immigrants come from every Continent, maybe not so many from Australia, but the influx of illegals from around the globe is astounding. To afford further remedy to a part of the process that is only broken because of the end user....US resident and illegal immigrant spouse....is just stupid.

A US citizen has a reasonable and fair process to assure they can marry an reside in the US with a foreign national spouse. There are even avenues for the spouse of a foreign national seeking green card status to stay in the US, although unconventional and could be made easier, to live legally and have a life in the light.

There is no reason under the sun why we should focus on amnesty for people who have a fair and reasonable path to citizenship available to them. If we wish to render change...then streamline the process and reduce the cost for those application. Honor those immigrants and Americans who follow the law by making the "law" user friendly. For those who do not follow the law....then I suppose if they wish to live with their spouse they can make an application to the spouses home country and will probably be required to follow immigration law there. So don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Don't you mean our very own "Dear Leader"?

you people are crazy go back to fox news

I like your thinking Bob741513.. I have said that alll along-- if we do not think he is doing a good job-- or doing his job at all at this point-- we can impeach any president at any time... :)

not even close, sheep..

bush killed 3000 Americans to push the country into a war, to profit himself and his administration, 10x worse? dummy..

So are you saying that the alleged murders by President Bush are 100X worse than the documented actions of President Obama?

That's a lie

absolutely, the bush blood goes way back, w, hw, and gramps is guilty of murder..

but i get it ignorance is bliss..

lisa s - what could you possibly know is a lie?

Has anyone ever trained a dog?

If your pet does a #1 or #2 INSIDE the home and you give it "TREAT"...

just GUESS WHERE that pet will continue to dirty your floor for the rest of its life?

The NUMBER ONE result of Rewarding ILLEGAL behavior in ANY MANNER is MORE ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR.

This is NOT a matter of "common decency" because we "are supposed to be a nation of laws" not a nation where laws are ignored LIKE MEXICO... which is EXACTLY WHY these people leave in the first place... duh!

There are MILLIONS of "other immigrants" who "legally apply for VISAS from every other country on Earth, every single year and THOSE RESPONSIBLE, LEGAL-MINDED people usually WAIT YEARS for their VISAS to be approved"... but THEY WAIT and WAIT and WAIT to play by the RULES.

Yet the USA seems "obsessed with the CRIMINALS and the LAW BREAKERS" while all those "other decent people WAIT and WAIT and WAIT???"

I am sorry folks... but our government has its priorities BACKWARDS.

If anyone should be rewarded, it is those "who follow the law" and those people should get their VISAS approved much faster, while the CRIMINALS should get hit with the door in the back of their heads.

Hey I need to pay a few bills......how about I go to the local convenience store and steal a couple hundred dollars ....not very much (I know it is illegal) I pay taxes so that should be all right ...don't ya think?

illegal is still illegal what don't you understand about that. if they do not want to be seperated the american part of the couple can go to the illegals country.

Unconstitutional is unconstitutional, why is that such a difficult concept for the haters?

how about I go to the local convenience store and steal a couple hundred dollars

Those dollars belong to someone else, and that person cannot use them if you steal them.

Conversely, immigrants do not take anything that belongs to anyone else, and no one currently a citizen is stripped of their citizenship in order to grant citizenship to the immigrant.

It's easy to hate someone once you give them an ugly name, but bigotry is hard to justify using the rules of logic.

American immigration law needs to become much more strict, not less so.

They will NEVER enforce existing law. The only laws enforced (and newly legislated) are those put in place to control American citizens. Illegals have no fear.

Yet none of you 'enforcement' types seem to have the slightest idea what the existing rules are, or why they can NEVER be enforced.

They haven't been enfrced at any time since they were enacted in 1986, and they never will be successfully, because they work AGAINST the free market and AGAINST America's national self-interest.

So many Know-Nothings want to change this rule and that law, and most want to trash the Constitution, all to 'preserve' or 'enforce' silly, unworkable rules that benefit no one and that were never part of our national heritage to begin with.

Reagan didn't enforce (nor did he like) the 1986 rules (he only went along to get the 'amnesty' that he so dearly wanted)' Bush Sr. neither enforced nor like the 1986 rules; Clinton did not like them and wanted to scrap them and rewrite them, but put more teeth in enforcement anyway; Bush Jr. wanted to scrap them and start over again, but added (wasted) even more resources for enforcement; and Obama also wants to scrap the 1986 rules and start over.

In short, EVERY Republican President and EVERY Democratic President since the passage of the 1986 rules is in agreement that the rules are bad rules, that they are bad for America, and that they should be completely rewritten.

EVERY SINGLE ONE.

And EVERY Republican Presidential candidate for the last 8 years AGREED with that assessment BEFORE becoming a candidate for the Presidency and FLIP FLOPPED immediately upon becomeing a candidate in order to pander to the bigot vote. John McCain is the exception. He waited months before flip-flopping.

take your liberal crap and put it where the sun don't shine!

they are ILLEGAL!!! this is all for VOTES to keep the liberal

demos in POWER! they could care less about all this crap

your spewing! IT'S ALL ABOUT POWER!

Why/How is wanting our laws to be obeyed "mean spirited," Tom H.?

Tom- We should then start the " Liberals who adopt an illegal alien program". You people want to feel good, and "share"your wealth, so put your money, where your mouth is, take one home, and you support them! Stop trying to spend the American publics tax money. Then you could be refered to as Tom and Angelina Jolie!

Tom, I get the whole "better life" thing, I came here in 1968 LEAGALLY!!! So I resent people going through the whole in wall my parents had to wait in line to get in, and seperation from family, my dad came here 2 months before my mother and I, he was willing to do that for a better life for me. If Illegal immigrants really wanted to migrate and become a part of my great country (I became a citizen in 2000) they would do it legally!

my dad came here 2 months before my mother and I, he was willing to do that for a better life for me.

And by what stretch of a perverse imagination does that mean a Philipino should have to wait 75 years to do the same thing, just because they are Philipino and not Scottish?

Besides, the 1965 rules were nowhere near as stupid as the 1986 rules, as amended.

@ commonsense-

And by what stretch of a perverse imagination does someone thing that a country isn't allowed to pass immigration laws - even to the point of placing quotas on certain countries and skill sets? By what stretch of a perverse imagination would someone think that any law they don't want to obey is void? You don't get to pick and choose which laws you want to obey. Immigrants don't get to pick and choose which US laws they want to obey. Only a foolish politicians would tell you it's OK to pick and choose which laws you are willing to obey or that certain laws are going to be ignored. That's when they find that people will start disobeying laws they didn't want to include in the ignored ones.

I'm saying you should do it legally, by what stretch of perverse imagination gives Philipno's more rights than anyone else? And that there are hardships in doing it legally too.

Hi George,

I think you mean Kenya.

George,

Its desease like you and followers who holds selfish sentiment of old American views against people not your kind. If you're old enough to remember immigrants came to this country to clean Ass for peanuts. Ya'll like it then, but Minorities soon will come majority, by then those us of @!$%#s will depart to another world where the subjects will be worms and insects. Jealousy is a bitch that want to denied our past and grand parent chaotic europe, fleed for a beter life in america.