N.H. voters give Santorum a second look after Iowa

Republican Presidential candidate Rick Santorum presents his ideas at a "Faith, Family and Freedom" Town Hall event held at the Merrimack Valley Railroad in Northfield, New Hampshire.

TILTON, N.H. – Rick Santorum isn’t expected to win New Hampshire’s primary on Tuesday.

 But over 150 Granite State voters, their interest piqued in Santorum after his strong showing in this week’s Iowa caucuses, packed Merrimack Valley Railroad here Tuesday morning, eager to learn about the former Pennsylvania senator.

Santorum spent about an hour and a half answering questions at length in this wood-paneled room heated by potbelly stoves, a venue which, Santorum joked at the outset of his town hall meeting, “reeks of New Hampshire.”

The audience was composed of some who said they were already inclined to have supported Santorum before Iowa, and other, undecided voters who were interested in learning more about him after his late surge in the caucuses  –   in which he fell eight votes short of beating former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. And still others wondered whether Santorum could make for the best conservative challenger to Romney, the frontrunner in Tuesday’s first-in-the-nation primary.

“I’m looking for someone genuine and highly-principled, and I think he fits the bill,” said Mary Keoham, from nearby Gilford, N.H.

The potential voters who showed up here said they felt Santorum was had little attention paid to him in national debate appearances and, after his performance in Iowa, were looking to learn more about his candidacy.

“Iowa really was really the thing that made me think about him,” said Tim Moreau, a Coast Guard reservist from Belmont, N.H., who was on leave from his post in Alaska.

Undecided voters Thelma and Tom Phillips, of Guilford, N.H., listen to Republican Presidential candidate Rick Santorum at a

“When they had the last debate, the questions were geared toward (Newt) Gingrich and Romney. Whenever he had something to say, it was very intelligent,” said Bruce Wakefield, of Franklin, N.H. He and his wife, Sarah, decided to attend the Santorum event after receiving a recorded call from the Santorum campaign promoting his appearance.

That’s a positive – if small – beacon for Santorum, whose campaign has struggled at points to build the necessary organization to carry his campaign beyond Iowa, where his virtual tie with Romney had essentially qualified as a victory, in the sense that it legitimized his status as the conservative alternative to Romney (at least for now).

Having been one of the first candidates to make his exploratory bid official, Santorum had registered a number of stops already in New Hampshire, though most of them came before this fall, when he concentrated primarily on Iowa. His campaign has been working to build momentum from his narrow, second-place finish this past Tuesday, though, and announced new support of Tea Party leaders on Thursday.

But Santorum, at 8 percent, still lags in third place in New Hampshire, in a Suffolk University tracking poll conducted Jan. 3 - 4. Romney leads at a whopping 43 percent among likely voters, followed by Texas Rep. Ron Paul at 18 percent.

One of the ways Santorum might make inroads is by stressing the fact that he’s not Romney or Paul.

Melissa Barstow and her son Jonah, 5, arrived early to hear Republican Presidential candidate Rick Santorum at a "Faith, Family and Freedom" Town Hall event held at the Merrimack Valley Railroad in Northfield, New Hampshire.

Some of the audience members in Tilton said that they were inclined to support Paul and his strong fiscal message, but were turned off by Paul’s foreign policy views, which emphasize a limited global role for the U.S.

“He’s strong on both, as opposed to somebody like Ron Paul – who I love on what he’d like to do with government and making in smaller – but his foreign policy scares me a little bit,” explained Melissa Barstow of Tilton, who said she intends to vote for Santorum next week.

(Moreau, of the Coast Guard, said he might have also supported Paul if not for the Texas congressman’s foreign policy views.)

“I also feel like he’s not interested in just satisfying the media, because in some respects, I get that sense from other candidates, that sort of centrist viewpoint,” said Liz Lempka of Gilford, a Santorum supporter, referring in part to Romney. “And I really want somebody to stick up for our rights.”

Santorum gave answers to questions that sometimes dragged on and became long-winded. A handful of audience members bailed during a particularly lengthy answer by Santorum in response to a question about entitlement reform. But his attention to detail impressed some observers.

“He was very knowledgeable on national security, much more than came through in the debates. He really didn’t get an opportunity in some of the debates,” said Northfield’s Ken Barrett, a committed supporter of Gingrich who said he decided to attend today’s event only after Santorum’s showing in Iowa.

That’s not to minimize doubts about Santorum.

“Being a president takes executive experience. So I always look for somebody who’s probably in the gubernatorial-type mindframe,” said Tom Phillips, later adding that he would have preferred Santorum to have had experience as a governor.

“I don’t know how forceful he will be. He seems like a really nice guy, but I don’t know – maybe too nice?” said Phillips’s wife, Thelma.

Sarah Wakefield, sitting toward the back of the audience with her husband, Bruce, voiced a similar concern: “I worry about him being the quiet one, but he showed strength in Iowa.”

But if nothing else, Santorum’s showing in Iowa seemed to earn him a new look in New Hampshire, an exciting prospect for admirers like Barstow, who said she wouldn’t change her mind before Tuesday unless one thing changed: “Yeah, if Marco Rubio got in the race.”

 

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If Santorum wins the GOP, then Obama automatically gets my vote. America does not need another wacko social conservative.

  • 38 votes
#1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:22 PM EST

Rick Santorum isn’t expected to win New Hampshire’s primary on Tuesday

I hope this is true. This lunatic is only bad news all around

  • 25 votes
#1.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:36 PM EST

For Santorum's audience in the photo...do not let yourselves get duped folks.

  • 12 votes
#1.2 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:59 PM EST

BREAKING NEWS IN IOWA - OOPS!!! Iowa is claiming Santorum won... Count call in wrong from some districts... cheating here in Iowa? Only the Republican Party. One person who helped do the final count said Romney only received 2 votes and not 22. Another just called in and said only 52 people showed up but 58 votes turned in and those extra votes went to Romney.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 7:04 PM EST

Vote for Santorum and you vote to have Christian Sharia law in America.

  • 21 votes
#1.4 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 7:08 PM EST

Mitt Romney's top campaign contributors:

Goldman Sachs $235,275

Citigroup Inc $178,450

Merrill Lynch $176,125

Morgan Stanley $170,350

Lehman Brothers $154,800U

BS AG $125,150

JPMorgan Chase & Co $123,800

Bain & Co $121,475

Marriott International $121,150

Bain Capital $118,550

Kirkland & Ellis $111,700

The Villages $110,900

Credit Suisse Group $104,900

Compuware Corp $103,550

Huron Consulting $102,050

PricewaterhouseCoopers $92,250

American Financial Group $87,550

Affiliated Managers Group $82,112

Cerberus Capital Management $79,450

Sun Capital Partners $77,850

WHO DO YOU THINK THIS BLOKE WORKS FOR?

  • 11 votes
#1.5 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 7:23 PM EST

Now can we have a list of Obama's contributors ??

  • 9 votes
#1.6 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 7:32 PM EST

You two little party whores have destroyed us. The arguments are far outside the box of sanity

  • 8 votes
#1.7 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 7:39 PM EST

Yeah those wacko conservatives are really wierd people!!! All they talk about is fiscal responsiblity and limited government, personal responsibility and liberty, upholding common moral principles that provide the framework for american freedom and democracy, the protection of human life, etc. etc. etc.. Its all crazy talk isn't it!!

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 7:41 PM EST

Wholeheartedly agree. Obama will win the election if crazy Santorum gets nominated. His social policy is reprehensible. He has spoken in interviews saying that homosexuals should simply stop being gay. He is awful.

  • 13 votes
#1.9 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 7:42 PM EST

Has anyone noticed that there is a lack of African Americans at the candidates meetings. I wonder why? It's hard to believe that there are still a minority willing to donate money to these GOP candidates who soul purpose is to destroy the American working class and unions so they can take us back to the early 20th. century. Look out America, here comes the GOP turning our country into another 3rd world. they have said that we should be grateful because even the poor American is better off than the middle class in 3rd world countries but they don't mention that the majority of the worlds top 1% are in America so who is getting the best out of our country.

  • 9 votes
#1.10 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 7:57 PM EST

@ Winker do you think it has anything to do with the fact NH is only 1% black. Stop trying to create drama where there is none and repeating the everyone is racist mantra.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2011-03-22-new-hampshire-census_N.htm

  • 6 votes
#1.11 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:24 PM EST

OK, MSNBC really needs to put "Rick Santorum" in headlines and not just "Santorum". After I Googled "Santorum" and saw the "definition" of "Santorum" I just can't stop giggling every time I see it in print, especially with a headline like "N.H. Voters give Santorum a second look after Iowa".

  • 7 votes
#1.12 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:24 PM EST

Genuine and highly-principled? I guess if you have the same principles of total disregard for the equal rights of the Constitution, then you could say that Santorum meets those qualifications. These people want us to immediately go to war with Iran? Is that the kind of foreign policy they want to see us go back to?

Of course, when you see who sponsored this gathering, it sort of explains these responses. "Faith, Family and Freedom"?

BTW, I hope that CG Reservist wasn't in uniform like the soldier at Paul's rally in IA.

  • 5 votes
#1.13 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:33 PM EST

Calm down everyone! Don't you see this is God's miracle in the making. Insanitorium gets the Repugs nomination and Obama gets a rose garden campaign. Thank you, Lord!

  • 8 votes
#1.14 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:47 PM EST

Does little Rickie still squeek when he walks?'Cause he was squeeking and proseletizing 19th/century theological demagogery as he was voted ingloriously out by double digit percentages by those same "coal-miners" he claims to be kin to.He'll play to the tea-buggers and religious rightists,but as a voting block their influence is inconsequential to the nation as a whole. Choose him as anominee and he can do the same for the entire Republican party,also an inconsequential staid group of "haves",who've destroyed most credibility as representing the "working class" in any forum.As they discovered last Presidential election,you can't polish a turd,but you CAN put lipstick on it...... Santorum's frothing.....

  • 3 votes
#1.15 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:47 PM EST

They are both dangerous for the country, and the voters need to wake up to that fact.

  • 2 votes
#1.17 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:01 PM EST

The liberal Obama is way over his head! He had no clue how to be a president! Even Jimmy Carter had some idea, but not this president! What happened to the economy getting fixed in 3 Years? Yep, way over his head! Obummer!

  • 3 votes
#1.18 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 1:49 AM EST

President Barack Obama, accompanied by General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt whom he appointed as the head of a Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, delivers remarks at the General Electric plant in Schenectady, N.Y., Friday, Jan. 21, 2011. Obama traveled to the birthplace of the General Electric Co., to showcase a new GE deal with India and announce a restructured presidential advisory board to focus on increasing employment and competitiveness.(Richard Drew / AP)

Great, more jobs shipped overseas by Obama. When is America going to wake up to the fact Obama is hurting America more than he is helping her?

  • 3 votes
#1.19 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 9:29 AM EST
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When will Puritanism disapear in this country?----I agree with the Australians when they say that got the better part of the deal---that they "got the convicts and the Americans got the Puritans!!"

  • 26 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:24 PM EST

Agreed with 'em,a more honest class of people the criminals.Trouble is when one criminal goes bad and becomes a devout Republican you end up with another Nixon,whom we don"t have to kick around anymore.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:54 PM EST
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Santorum is against 'abortion' 'same sex marriage' etc.------shouldn't civil rights mean that people should not have others interfering in their life style etc.?----------I don't care if someone wants to marry his cat!!!

  • 17 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:30 PM EST

Isn't he a creationist as well?

  • 9 votes
#3.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:42 PM EST

Santorum also opposes contraception, and thinks it's OK if a state bans it.

  • 13 votes
#3.2 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:47 PM EST

hey lynseypug- I heard he speaks with the devil too. And he might also eat little children.

  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 7:44 PM EST

What if someone wanted to marry their 5 year old child? Would you propose that others shouldn't interfere in that lifestyle as well? Where would you draw the line?

    #3.4 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:11 PM EST

    Your sarcasm does not change the fact that Santorum would have no problem riding roughshod over the "separation of church and state". His idea of social social responsibility and "freedom" is a narrow platform, based on right wing religious morays, that is not necessarily representative of most Americans. Political interference in the private lives of American citizens is not the business of governance. He talks about "making the government smaller" but will happily instate laws reducing the average American's personal freedoms; like the right to marry whomsoever they wish and the decision to have babies... or not.

    Even more importantly: Is he the man to reconnect our out of touch, useless Congress to the fact that they are supposed to be governing not playing politics? I don't think so!

    • 7 votes
    #3.5 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:13 PM EST

    Santorum

    No to gay marriage.

    Abortion for rape, incest, and Life of the Mother - plenty of references to this.

    Santorum has a consistent record of voting for Contraceptive programs although he does not approve of the use of contraceptives.

    Say it right or don't say anything at all - Okay?

    About the creationism, first which version? Second, the missing link of total evolution STILL hasn't been found. Third, In the theory of evolution, change takes place over millions of year. How does that work with the fact that the oldest ice core is only 750,000 years of history.

    Me thinks there might be a bigger problem with Science than some religions.

      #3.6 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:19 PM EST

      First, I wasn't using sarcasm. Heaveto was the one that mentioned he didn't care if someone wants to marry a cat. My question is simply when do you think others should get involved in the private lives of others? What do you use as a standard for that decision? Public opinion? That's dangerous, and it changes frequently.

      • 2 votes
      #3.7 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:20 PM EST

      Thinking Mom

      the fact that Santorum would have no problem riding roughshod over the "separation of church and state".

      Were on earth do you get that? I can make a case on lobbyist meetings, earmarks, and a few other things, but so far not what you say.

        #3.8 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:24 PM EST

        Any behavior is private, unless you allow it to be seen publicly or someone is offended in some way and discloses it.

        Because homosexual activity is offensive to people it had been relegated to one of those things people did in private.

        As time has passed, Homo sexual activity has increased to the point, people want it to be considered normal.

        Prove it to be normal prove and everyone will agree to it at some point. So far, it is more of a whatever do what you want, just be quiet again.

          #3.9 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:40 PM EST

          DB, theres plenty of "missing links" that have been found. Many more intermediate forms and branches than we were looking for in the first place. But you have to take into account that the rate at which fossils from previous periods survive is unbelievably low and, even at that, can be scattered anywhere. We'll never uncover every "link." And ice melts. The scientific community does more than just read articles on ice cores and make judgements based on 1/1,000,000,000 of the available information, they spend their lives understanding nature.

          • 5 votes
          #3.10 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 11:17 PM EST

          Dskuya,

          What's wrong with drawing the line at consenting adults? Why should the government interfere if consenting adults wish to get married?

          • 2 votes
          #3.11 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 8:36 AM EST

          "What if someone wanted to marry their 5 year old child?"

          A 5 year old cannot give consent. I feel pretty safe in saying that allowing two consenting adults to marry will in no way ever lead to people marrying their 5 year old children. What a completely dishonest, and poorly constructed accusation.

          As time has passed, Homo sexual activity has increased to the point, people want it to be considered normal.

          Homosexual activity has not increased it has only become more accepted. Don't paint it as some moral failing of the modern age which has lead to increased homosexuality. That is another dishonest and poorly constructed accusation. Rates of homosexuality have remained constant for generations.

          As for Santorum: everything else that needs to be said he said for himself in his book. He certainly wants to use government to enforce christian morality. He most certainly is a creationist. Notwithstanding the dishonest and poorly constructed critiques of evolution (I seriously don't have time to explain modern biology to people whose minds were made up in conservative/christian blogs about science), Active Army has it exactly right. Rest assured, evolution is science. It is predictive. It is explanatory. There are demonstrable mechanisms. It can be witnessed in nature and in laboratories. To bring a question about its validity as insipid as "no one's found a missing link" only serves to do a disservice to young people and highlights the ignorance of the person bringing the question, which is quite profound indeed.

          This country cannot afford a candidate whose platform is to use government to enforce his personal morality, especially at a time of economic strife. Rick Santorum is a crazy person. That is as succinct a description of his character as any.

          • 3 votes
          #3.12 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 3:43 PM EST
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          I am one of the Independents that the Republican Party is courting and someone that is as extreme to the right as Santorum is not going to cut it with me ....this is crazy!

          • 17 votes
          Reply#4 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:31 PM EST

          That was a fluke in Iowa the corn farmers fell for his ultra conservativism....he is done he will fail miserably in New Hampshire and South Carolina he will be bowing out next month like Michelle Bachman!

          • 6 votes
          #4.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:39 PM EST

          Put another way, IOWA SHOULDN'T BE FIRST! ... generally, the best presidents fail in IOWA caucuses while the worst succeed.

          • 3 votes
          #4.2 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:52 PM EST

          Independent - then you don't understand farmers at all - they are practical and down to earth. I even heard the right say that Iowa wasn't the place to start for this election because Iowa doesn't have the unemployment problem.

          Wrong - Iowans seemed to understand that the government is spending more than we may be able to repay. They above all others understand that dilema by watching neighbors they have known for years fall into hopeless debt and lose their farms. They understand that that might not affect them today, but is might tomorrow.

          Just because people don't think like you doesn't mean that they aren't as smart as you.

          • 2 votes
          #4.3 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:51 PM EST

          Santorum did so well because the GOP doesn't want to elect Romney, even though he is the only one remotely qualified. He simply doesn't fit the new ultra-right wing bona fides they are looking for. So each candidate other than Romney has had their chance in the spotlight. Santorum simply has had his head down until now. Now it is his turn for a bump, but just like Bachmann, Perry, Cain, and Gingrich, it will be temporary as even the ultra right wing branch of the party recognizes unelectability in him.

          The Republican voters are desperately grasping for a conservative candidate who isn't Romney. Unfortunately, none exist.

            #4.4 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 3:49 PM EST
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            What really is this guy other than an anti-gay supremacist? That will win the hearts of a few special interest groups, but in the end we need a president. You can't run a country on political beatings to the families of some random minority group.

            • 13 votes
            Reply#5 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:31 PM EST

            Well ,besides being an anti gay supremacist, he is a Mel Gibson Catholic fanatic- feels birth control has "damaged" America,- yep, those condoms and birth control pills ,conraceptive rings,tubal ligations, vasectomies and IUDs are all against Catholic teaching-so Frothy Sicktorum would like each state to have the right to outlaw each and every one of them.

            He is against abortion, even to save the life of the mother, except of course, when his own wife had labor induced at 20 weeks-that's an abortion, folks-but of course, HIS wife is different than the rabble, right?

            Unlike John F. Kennedy, a Catholic who ran on the platform that the Pope could kiss his a-s when decisions contrary to Catholic doctrine needed to be made for the good of the USA, Sicktorum's goal is to kiss the Pope's a-s by trying to make America into a catholic theocracy.

            Despite his so called "respect for life"- sickie Rickie has lobbied for the world wrestling federation members to be allowed to use steroids- I guess death from steroid use or murder during a "roid rage" don't count when "respecting life".

            Soldier's and civilians lives don't matter either, when it comes to his hatred of Iran- he's a big chickenhawk who gleefully crowed about the "weapons of mass destruction" Iraq had-except that they didn't have any.

            He placed at number 3 in a poll of the "most corrupt Senators" before the people of Pennsylvania voted him out of office by a landslide.

            This filth isn't fit to run a wrestling team, which is why he hasn't been in office lately.

            • 12 votes
            #5.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 7:45 PM EST

            Londoncalling1... I think I love you! Could not have said it better myself. Instead of worrying about this moron, we should be wondering why Iowa is the litmus by which all other American voters are being held.

            • 5 votes
            #5.2 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:16 PM EST

            London Calling

            when his own wife had labor induced at 20 weeks-that's an abortion

            What you are repeating is a carefully calculated smear. Fortunately some people actually check sources and find them lacking.

            First, Their baby had a condition that would be best corrected in the womb with surgery to survive. Mrs Santorum developed a uterine infection. The anti-biotic to stop the infection would almost certainly induce labor - which it did. After labor started, stopping was not an option (malpractice risk according to the doctor) so Pitocin given at this time it is to speed the delivery so doctors can possibly save the baby.

            http://www.debatepolitics.com/2012-us-presidential-election/116144-santorum-35.html

            http://www.childbirth.org/articles/pit.html

            http://oursilverribbon.org/blog/?p=188

            http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2011/06/14/rick-santorum-thinks-abortion-should-be-safe-and-legalbut-only-when-his-wife-needs-one

            • 1 vote
            #5.3 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:39 PM EST
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            Sanitorium.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#6 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:32 PM EST

            enough said. Sanitorium. These Social Conservatives will eventually die out. We need Fiscal Responsibility. Not some 6th Century social ideals. Pull you head out of your anus. We now have been to the moon and have computers. What makes you feel that going back to 6th century ideals is going to help make us more compassionate? more tolerant? more loving? Well, Look, look back at the 6th century and see if THEY were more compassionate, tolerant, or loving. Hey, just take a look.

            • 9 votes
            #6.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:45 PM EST

            Ebolamonkey- You have exhibited what is called chronological snobbery which is the thought that the thinking, art, or science of an earlier time is inherently inferior when compared to that of the present. This is on it's face a complete fallacy if you look closely at human history. Emerse yourself in it and apply it to your thinking. I don't think you would make that kind of a statement

            • 2 votes
            #6.2 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 7:53 PM EST

            Well, lets see: slavery, serfs, poor houses, debtors jails, "orphanages that doubled as free labor, no social medicine, a "caste" system, primogenityre to the extent of all else, narrow views on religion and politics, no personal rights to speak of, feudalism, a ruling church that burned people for heresy, starvation, disease, no rights for women at all, no education outside the church etc., etc., etc. I think that I am going to agree with Ebolamonkey... we live in better times.

            • 6 votes
            #6.3 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:23 PM EST

            woodrow....it is superior,we build on the learning of those before(wisely)and alter as befits advanced societies.I don't attempt to make gold elements from failed metallururgical methods....but that still seems to be the principal goal and deisre of the Republican elements for this 21st/century.Distressing wars for financial,oil,land,enriched nuclear materials continues to pass for their very short list of achievement,repeating the process perpetually does nothing to qualify as achievement based thought

            • 3 votes
            #6.4 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:17 PM EST

            Thinking mom

            no education outside the church

            Were do you get this crap? The only education was for nobles and kings, and it was outside the church. Until the church got involved in teaching, there was no education at all for the poor and peasants.

            • 1 vote
            #6.5 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:54 PM EST
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            It was always my understanding that when the Dutch in New Amsterdam built a wall (that is now Wall Street) it was to keep the Indians out-------------I was mistaken---it was built by the Dutch to keep the Puritans out!!!! And now we have inherited this Puritanism!!!

            • 3 votes
            Reply#7 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:35 PM EST

            Could it possibly be that you are confusing Santorum with the Puritans, Heaveto? If so, I'm not sure I follow your logic. Puritans detested the Roman Catholic Church. Santorum---Catholic, remember?

            I believe the Puritans evolved into the Congregational Church which I think is now tied to the Unitarians sort of.

              #7.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:35 PM EST

              Conk - some of these people not only don't know, they don't care.

              The unlimited twisting of the Santorum birth story is nauseating - gives me bad memories about how we had to make very tough decisions about our daughter. We painstakenly had to chose between outright abortion, whether to do tests that wouldn't be conclusive, but could harm her. We were blessed that we were able to get her to 35 weeks, and that her surgery was successful.

              • 1 vote
              #7.2 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:46 PM EST
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              “I don’t know how forceful he will be. He seems like a really nice guy, but I don’t know – maybe too nice?” Ummmm ... I wonder if you'll still think that when he's checking up on your sex life to ensure that you're not using any form of contraception. And heaven forbid that you might have a Gay family member.

              • 9 votes
              Reply#8 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:36 PM EST

              And part of Santorum's "freedom" package should include the freedom to vote NO against your greater of evils without having to hide it with a yes vote for your lesser of evils. Ballots and polls need to include a NO option and the highest net yes wins. The "approval" only ballots and polls deny voters 50% of their freedom of expression.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#9 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:40 PM EST

              Thank you Valjean1. I live in the USVI where our ballot machines include just that option right next to the VOTE button. It reads NO VOTE. You press that button and then the VOTE button and your vote against all candidates on the ballot is cast. The number of voters casting this vote increases every two years as I promote that option to dissatisfied electors. Nevada has the NONE OF THE ABOVE option. ALL states should offer one or the other. And those votes need to be fully identified along with all of the other counted votes. I have not yet been able to get an election board to tell me what would happen though if NOTA or NV took the highest number of votes....especially here in the USVI where you are voting for the "best seven" to fill the seven Senator seats. We don't have individual districts. If you are casting a NO VOTE, aren't you saying that none of the seven seats should be filled, since you are saying none of the candidates are worthy of the vote? I am, and the election board should accept it accordingly.

              I'm also one of the originators of the Popular Amendment Movement's two constitutional amendments posted at www.faircampaignreform.us. Join me in the drive to get these two petitions circulated throughout the US and get these amendments passed. This process is the ONLY way that we will ever see true election and campaign finance reform.

              • 1 vote
              #9.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:52 PM EST

              Pennsylvania where we came to our senses and voted Santorum out allows you to simply not select a particular candidate or their opponent, although I do like the none of the above choice.

                #9.2 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 2:02 AM EST
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                I am also an independent voter who votes for the man--NOT the party---and have voted for either side of the aisle on occaision and contributed ------------but 'Santorum'--------NOT my vote!!!

                • 7 votes
                Reply#10 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:41 PM EST

                Do they call you a GDI (hope they don't censor me if I type what GDI stands for, but I'll trust you all to figure that out, hehe) like I was in OH before moving to St. Croix USVI 16 years ago? Now, they hate me here because I'm a NO VOTE proponent. I tell all politicians that they are undeserving of my vote. They are all greedy, corrupt liars.

                  #10.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:57 PM EST

                  I like the idea....but I am pretty sure the consequences to a no majority vote would be as undesireable of a result as choosing least of the crooks.I've often heard that the whole damned place operates as a house of cards,ya' might not want to pull out one entire area or function and sink us all.

                    #10.2 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:36 PM EST

                    Actually, there is only ONE way to end this political nightmare we face every two years and that is for every registered voter to get involved in the Popular Amendment Movement at www.faircampaingreform.us and help pass the two constitutional amendments posted there.

                    Part of the logic of the NO VOTE is to force the politicians to realize that they can't get elected if they don't change their lying, cheating, greedy, corrupt ways of doing business. Hopefully, it will also encourage an honest person with strong ideas on how to fix the mess we have created over the past 50+ years to run for office. The only decent GOP president since Lincoln (or maybe Teddy) was the one who warned us with his "beware of the military/industrial complex." It's too bad we didn't listen to Ike more.

                      #10.3 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 10:27 PM EST
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                      i wonder how people think he'll make the government smaller while maintaining an expansive imperialistic foreign policy.

                      • 5 votes
                      Reply#11 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:45 PM EST

                      Look at the diversity in that crowd!

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#12 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:45 PM EST

                      Evidently you are uninformed and trying to stir up crap.

                      • 1 vote
                      #12.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 8:20 PM EST

                      Nah I think he's funnin'ya'........although demographics in that area does consider the Italians,Irish,and Slovaks as likely illegal immigrant populations....hahahahha

                        #12.2 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:41 PM EST
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                        What happened to logical, sensible people who could actually represent ALL people and not just the right? Since when is being a radical religious nut the model we should follow? All this discrimination and racism is NOT what most of the people want and certainly not what I would vote for. I'm for liberty, live and let live, a woman's right to choose, freedom that let's ME decide what kind of life to live. I'm also for safe abortions (do you really think that making them criminal will make them disappear? Or getting rid of contraception will keep people from having sex?), health care for everyone, better schools and that doesn't mean spend more money just know where to spend it and what for, I want a better educated citizenry since this means less crime and better behavior from everyone plus it will make us competitive with the world. I want all this preference towards the 1% to stop, I want lobbyists to become illegal since I consider what they do as bribery and graft, stop elected officials from getting rich, they're supposed to be working for ALL and they spend their time making money, taking bribes and selling their influence, do your work and get paid what the rest of the country gets paid with the same benefits too, no outlandish retirements either. Stop government waste of course and don't allow government people to favor their businesses, like Halliburton for instance. Stop the wars, close all foreign military bases, fix things at home before looking outside the borders, bring manufacturing back and penalize "job creators" who don't keep work within the US.

                        • 8 votes
                        Reply#13 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:46 PM EST

                        So your for Paul another Loon?

                          #13.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:01 PM EST

                          Rick Santorum and his wife, Karen, paid $2 million in 2007 for this home, which features 4 bedrooms, 4½ baths and a swimming pool. The Santorums got a $1 million adjustable-rate mortgage in 2010 with a starting rate of 4 percent.

                          Source: Fairfax County records

                          $2 million in 2007 for his home, I was shocked. You want to be rich hey good for you BUT DON'T CRY ME A RIVER WITH YOUR SAD STORY OF YOUR DAD WAS A COAL MINER THIS MAN IS NOT THE AVERAGE GUY HE IS JUST LIKE ROMNEY...EXCEPT A YOUNGER VERSION

                          This is from an article today I was in shock he acts like he is a coal miners daughter and he is living in a 2 million dollar home. 16 years in office and a spending record and earmark record that is not fiscally sound.

                          yesterday he had me believing he was a regular middle class fellow then I researched him just more of the same.

                          sorry to say after NDAA dec 31st 2011 ron paul is looking like the only politican who we can trust

                          Romney is just not a nice person he is a globalist and santorium is a globalist working he was through the system. he might as well date nancy pelosi

                          Ron Paul's home is worth 325,000 I would be ok if it were 750,000 but 325,000 he really is a man of the people

                          • 7 votes
                          #13.2 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:18 PM EST

                          So Nancy, You think that a balanced budget, reduced military spending, money controled by our elected politcians and not some unknown bank, the federal gov't telling us how to educate our children in the state we live in, along with all the other mandated laws shoved on our local gov'ts is loonie. Please think about this, name one thing that does not require permission from a gov't entity. Both our federal and local gov'ts have gotten way to big and the only way to start reducing it is with the top of the gov't. Ron Paul will do these things and when they are successful it just might start in the states.

                          • 3 votes
                          #13.3 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:37 PM EST

                          "What happened to sane logical people who could represent all of the people" ? Unless of course you might happen to have some conservative view points. I believe in evolution, believe we need to be fiscally responsible, and balance our budget, believe in capitalism, and providing everyone an equal opportunity for a good public education, but then you're on your own to make what you will with your God given ability and talent. I am for exploiting our own domestic oil, a strong military, but not being the worlds policeman, and letting people live as they will within the boundaries of the law to embrace the freedoms we have as Americans. Am I considered sane, and logical ? I am a Conservative, but we're not all drones mindlessly following marching orders. However on the Liberal side I distinctly sense everyone better be on board or you're liable to be identified as a closet Conservative. Vote Obama or else even though he is piling on debt like a drunken sailor.

                          • 1 vote
                          #13.4 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:35 PM EST

                          It's funny how many things normal, sane, non-politicians have in common isn't it?

                            #13.5 - Fri Jan 6, 2012 2:41 PM EST
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                            I am sure that we would have no trouble in this country of finding people who would like to bring Prohibition back!!!-----as well as public hangings, the stocks, including the "work houses for the poor and indigent" etc.

                              Reply#14 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:48 PM EST
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                              Comment author avatarGary Wigevia Facebook

                              Santorum is a nazi who believes in less freedom, more government control. He is the exact opposite of Ron Paul.

                              • 6 votes
                              Reply#15 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:51 PM EST

                              Right you are. But Paul's a nihilist.

                              • 1 vote
                              #15.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:53 PM EST

                              Well put dan

                                #15.2 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:45 PM EST
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                                Cain, Bachmann, Perry, Gingrich, Paul, now Santorum. Who will be the next non-Romney du jour?

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#16 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:52 PM EST

                                Looking at this group of misfits you would think that this Great Country of ours with 300 million or so souls, could produce something better than these people!!-------I can understand that being President of the USA is no great shakes with all the abuse one has to take------------but even so!!!

                                • 4 votes
                                Reply#17 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:54 PM EST

                                When they take a look at this guy they will find out what the people in PA did. He's a big government religious fanatic who wants to use government to jam his narrow religious views down the throats of everybody. Remember -- the voters in PA kicked him out by a 2 to 1 margin.

                                • 9 votes
                                Reply#18 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:56 PM EST

                                They are a clear thinking observant and educated people who eliminated what they perceived as "their" part of the problem of the righteous right in an elected position of representation....HEAR,HEAR PA!

                                  #18.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:49 PM EST
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                                  Two sure losers get the attention of the Republican political establishment, while it continually tries to marginalize the one possible winner.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#19 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:57 PM EST

                                  Give Santorum a second look? Why, are they nuts? He'd be horrible.

                                  • 5 votes
                                  Reply#20 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 5:59 PM EST

                                  "Come on America"---------surely you can produce something better than you are offering us!!!!----------

                                  "We deserve better!!!"

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#21 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:00 PM EST
                                  Comment author avatarGeorge Dumblionevia Facebook

                                  You have to appreciate how stupid the media is. Ron Paul trails Santorum, an idiot, by 3 percentage points. Santorum is portrayed in the story like he is 'getting a second look'. Meanwhile, Paul, who didnt get any media coverage, is in a close third place, and the media wants to depict the story as though he has no chance and is just a waste of a vote. Incredible. You people should be ashamed of yourselves. Romney and Santorum are so disconnected from reality it is disgusting. I cant wait for the next president so we can completely collapse the dolalr and occupy a few more countries.

                                  I also can't help but augh at people who says Ron Paul is crazy because is beliefs are in such contrast to the status quo. They love using words liek 'radical' and 'extreme' when often times it's not that he is is anti or pro ANYTHING, he is just against the government regulation of those things, and believes that we as states and communities and individuals should be able to judge those issues for ourselves. Also, look at the state our country is in -- how can you say that HE is crazy when its the people that you think are so sane the ruined the country and possible the entire world in the long term, republican and democrat alike. Dummies.

                                  • 5 votes
                                  Reply#22 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:03 PM EST

                                  I agree with Ron Paul on many things; however he's wrong when it comes to securing our borders and

                                  on defense. And those are 2 extremely important things....

                                  Paul is not electable.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #22.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:48 PM EST

                                  Here's my biggest concern with Paul. If he's right and he believes that the private industry can do better at any number of things than the government then will he be as forceful if those private industry folks take advantage of the consumer and get sued? If you play out his logic and for instance get rid of the FAA (as he's specifically suggested to Bill Maher based on a question) then when a plane crashes that business is liable for the deaths on that aircraft. That would mean the relatives of that person would be eligible to sue the company for whatever that life would be considered worth. Is he of the Republican stance that you shouldn't be allowed to sue a company if they wrong you? (liability limitation that republican's have been pushing) or is he willing to understand that they should be allowed to sue for whatever they need to? That's one of my biggest questions regarding Paul's logic.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #22.2 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:50 PM EST
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                                  "NH voters give Santorum second look..."

                                  Funny, he wasn't even worth the first look. In short, the status quo stuffed shirts will not help this country financially or in our foreign affairs. We still want that "change" obama pandered to us and never produced. PAUL 2012.

                                  • 4 votes
                                  Reply#23 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:04 PM EST

                                  Paul should stick to extracting the new born!!!-------------he is a joke!!!-----born 200 years too late!!!--an anachronism!!!

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #23.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:09 PM EST

                                  That's like a tee shirt in our exclusive design series at the company I manage here in St. Croix Heaveto....."Caribbean Pirate....200 Years Too Late."

                                    #23.2 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:10 PM EST
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                                    Sanitarium dislikes everyone! Even though you are straight, you better be doing it using rick's approved method - missonary. Remeber Schiavo? He will introduce legislation dictating how will have children (only in the hospital), by whom (only opposite gender may apply), how how you will live (you must stay in your lower class) how you will die (out right or we will keep you forever in a vegative state). Or another words, more government for you (not for big business)

                                    • 1 vote
                                    Reply#24 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:05 PM EST

                                    As former active duty and reserve Coast Guard I learned that one of the first agencies the fiscal conservative budget cutters goes after is the CG. But that reservist is not the first Coastie with cognitive dissonance about this. While at a Reerve unit inBoston I served with someone who spouted tax and budget cuts left and right, but worked for the VA during the week, CG Reserve on weekends and had a wife who worked for the IRS. And both worked and abused the system to get every perk they could out of it.

                                      Reply#25 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 6:08 PM EST

                                      Thank you for your service Dropkick. People fail to realize that the Coast Guard is our true border protectors, while making them the bastard child of the military. I'm glad you pointed out how some of the reservists are hypocrites with their budget cut demands while on the dole (as in this case both reservist and spouse.) That's like all of the Tea Party folks at the Town Halls screaming about our taxes while screaming at the same time "Don't touch my SS." I had to wonder about the reservist mentioned in this article and his support for both Santorum and Paul.

                                        #25.1 - Thu Jan 5, 2012 9:14 PM EST
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