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SCRANTON, Pa. -- On the attack, President Barack Obama warned Wednesday of a "massive blow to the economy" if Republicans oppose him over extending a payroll tax cut, as he campaigned for more money in the pockets of U.S. workers — and in his campaign treasury.
Obama pressed his case at a campaign-style rally in working-class Scranton, Pa., where he said Republicans had to choose between lower taxes for the wealthy, or a payroll tax cut that would help working Americans.
"Are you going to cut taxes for the middle class and those who are trying to get into the middle class or are you going to protect massive tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires?" he said. "Are you going to ask a few hundred thousand people who have done very, very well to do their fair share, or are you going to raise taxes for hundreds of millions of people across the country?"
"We need to get wealthy Americans to pay their fair share," the president said.
Obama was traveling later Wednesday to donor-rich New York City to raise money for his already flush re-election bid, in a day illustrating the dual policy and political demands on the president as the 2012 campaign season nears.
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Meanwhile on Capitol Hill, Republicans indicated they were prepared to extend the temporary payroll tax cut, but said any extension must be paid for with savings from elsewhere in the budget, even as they opposed Democrats' plan to pay for it by taxing incomes over $1 million. That set up a showdown over how to find mutually acceptable savings before any extension could become law.
The full payroll tax of 6.2 percent would be restored if Congress does not act by year's end, increasing taxes on 160 million Americans.
"If Congress doesn't act to extend this tax cut then most of you, the typical middle-class family, is going to see your taxes go up by $1,000 at the worst possible time," Obama said.
Obama was welcomed warmly by a crowd of nearly 2,000 in the Scranton High School gym. At one point the president said that Republicans have sworn an oath not to raise taxes, prompting one man in the crowd to yell loudly: "Give us some names!"
In making a case for the consequences of letting the tax cut lapse, Obama offered a bleak assessment, telling his audience: "It would be tough for you. It would also be a massive blow for the economy because we're not fully out of the recession yet."
Technically, though, the recession ended in June 2009, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the nonprofit group that determines the beginning and end of recessions. The downturn began in December 2007 and was the longest and deepest since World War II, costing the country about 7.5 million jobs.
The recovery has been unusually weak, but the economy is growing again. It expanded 2 percent in the July-September quarter.
In selecting Scranton to make his appeal, Obama ventured to the birthplace of Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Bob Casey, the Pennsylvania Democrat who is the author of the payroll tax cut plan expected to come up for a vote in the Senate later this week.
Before making remarks, Obama sought to put a face on the beneficiaries of the payroll tax cut by stopping at the home of third-grade teacher Patrick Festa and his wife Donna, a graphic designer, in working-class South Scranton. The three chatted in the family's Christmas-decorated dining room, Obama inquiring about their work and their two high school-aged children.
Obama won Pennsylvania with 54 percent of the vote in 2008, but the fragile economy could put the state in play in 2012. Its proximity to Washington and its political importance have made it a favorite stopping place for Obama and Biden. The trip comes as Obama steps up his re-election campaign, rolling out two ads that call on supporters to begin to mobilize.
White House press secretary Jay Carney, while conceding that the re-election effort is under way, played down politics as a factor in Obama's Scranton visit.
"It's part of his responsibility, serving the American people, to get out and be among them and to speak with them about his agenda or her agenda," he said.
In New York, Obama was to attend three fundraisers: one at the home of businessman Jack Rosen, chairman of the American Jewish Congress, where tickets begin at $10,000; one at the Greenwich Village restaurant Gotham Bar and Grill at $35,800 per ticket; and a reception at the Sheraton Hotel, where tickets begin at $1,000. The money will be split between the Democratic National Committee and the Obama re-election campaign.
Obama also was scheduled to attend a reception celebrating progress on gay rights and the six-month anniversary of New York's approval of gay marriage. Obama has been supportive of gay and lesbian causes but has stopped short of declaring support for gay marriage.
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Another "dog and pony" show.
Pushing a "dog" bill and asking for people to "pony" up.
Not to worry, the Teapublican'ts will say "NO" again.
Gee, it seems like Romney, Bachmann, Perry, Gingrich, Cain are all going all over the country too.
Selling their rubbish.
Not to worry, the Teapublican'ts will say "NO" again.
Let's hope so! Obama has spent enough of our tax payer money.
Gee, it seems like Romney, Bachmann, Perry, Gingrich, Cain are all going all over the country too.
Yes they are but not in Air Force One at tax payer expense. Do you see the difference?
soaz- The difference is that the GOP field, was not elected President, or elected for anything. Every President uses air force one, every President campaigns for reelection, Cains SS is payed for by the taxpayers. President Obama is doing exactly what all Presidents do, but you have a problem with him why? Turn off the faux noise, grow up!
humm, you missed my point entirely. I was answering Eric's post where he mentioned the GOP candidates campaigning. Are you really that ignorant or still just blinded by the glare of Obama's global sized ego?
SoazDan, then you were against Bush using Air Force one as well right?
Cain is using tax payer money for secret service protection.
Nobody missed your point because you haven't made one. You just made a non-point.
spending tax payer money is all to easy for OBama.
The President is going all out to raise taxes on the rich. He is attaching provisions to raise taxes on the rich toevery piece of legislation that he is recommending. I would think that if Social Security taxes are decreased that benefits will be reduced accordingly.
Air Force ONE spent more time (days) on "stand-by" in Texas than BHO has used it in total
(official, vacation & "campaigning")
during the same amount of time in office (YOU do know how to GOOGLE , right?)
... the only cost saving is in fuel unburned...
and BTW that is ALWAYS the case AF-1 costs the same per day in use or not,
the assigned staff & technicians work every day, trip or no trip.
So the whole issue is just another disingenuous excuse to claim "being victimized"
by an issue that , in most cases, the complainer would actually benefit rather than suffer.
They "claim" to want America to be #1 !! but when it comes to spending to BE #1, it is only a good idea if THEY come up with it...and now they actually BELIEVE THAT REASONING is valid !!
I want the POTUS flying everywhere it is feasible in a US FLAG festooned 747 or better (with a fighter escort) and NOT in a single engined prop job & trailing a banner that says "THIS is the Republican vision of POTUS Air-travel"...
@Mister Fids: thanks; I heartily agree with that sentiment; best advertisement for the US, no matter whether we agree with the PTOS on that particular day or not. But maybe they should have a 787 as well in the near future :)
I also think that regardless of my feelings about the PTOS, I'd like to see them travel around the country more during their terms and not just to spots that have concentrations of rich donors (ok, that is probably a fantasy). Furthermore, they should, on a regular basis, be taking the majority and minority leaders from both the Senate and the House with them. After getting an earful of us common folk, maybe they could spend at least a few hours without lobbyists, thinking about some solutions.
This is a no brainer. Its not that Obama wants to just raise taxes on the rich, but he wants to raise them so that they are paying THEIR FAIR SHARE!!!!Why that is a problem with people I will never no. And further more...I don't know how anyone could support the Repugs counter offer to Obama extending the payroll tax....Lets See the Repugs plan to pay for the payroll tax cut, A 3 yr income freeze on Federal Jobs, not to mention the 200,000 Federal employees that will lose there jobs, and Us, the already struggling middle class will pay MORE in taxes..COME how could anyone be for that plan. Then they want ream the President about unemployment, and here they propose a plan that will put 200,000 people out of work rather than increase the taxes on those that can afford and the ones that should have been paying all along.
It amazes me how brainwashed some people are.
Yeah, and who's bright idea was it to tie unemployment claims to food stamps? Millionaires are receiving food stamps because they have qualified for unemployment benefits.
The lunatics are running the asylum.
These trips are nothing but campaign stumping paid for by taxpayers. Moreover, I think Mr. Obama speaks with forked tongue. In one breath, the man will talk about how we need to tighten our belts and get on a budget, and his next sentence will be let's spend more on payroll tax cuts, infrastructure, etc. He keeps digging our debt hole deeper. It's always one step forward, ten steps back with this guy.
Meanwhile your repugnicrite dog and pony show without the pony pushes a bunch of book selling candidates with so much baggage and so many unelectable qualities that it is laughable. It goes on & on with 'debate' after 'debate'. It's clear these entities are looking to collect the 2nd place slot while collecting the repugnicrite $$.
Anyone against the Presdient...(you know the guy that has such strong family values that your party dares not even utter the phrase these days) should not mention the phrase 'forked tongue' either.
What a riot!!!!!!
Fox Lies.
The first stimulus worked, google GDP chart and look for yourself. Obama's jobs bill was to stimulate the economy via developing the infrastructure and get more people jobs.
We do need to cut our deficit but do it smartly. In general, the right wants the cuts to affect the middle class and poor, where as the left want to close corporate loopholes and have millionaires pay more taxes.
Eric
Wasn't the FIRST STIMULUS supposed to do the SAME THING as Obama's Jobs Bill??? If the FIRST STIMULUS WORKED WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER???
@Slodon, because Bush dug such a deep hole that the first stimulus wasn't enough. In fact, economist said the first one wasn't enough, and Republicans did their darnedest to insure to make it as small as possible because they knew it would work.
How many trillions are enough? 1? 7? 14? How far down do we dig the debt to "make it work"?
Eric,
Yet again .... you get an "F" in logic. If something "works" as you claim ad nauseam, then you do not have to repeat it. Eric contradicting Eric is almost as amusing as Obama playing CLASS WARFARE while he desperately tries to get re-elected. That 43% approval rating is getting to him !
So, a pit stop to push for "election candy" in Pennsylvania to justify his usage of Air Force One .... then off to New York and 3 campaign fundraisers ..... his real purpose. Obama is a salesman, but not a leader.
Jim, if you fix a leaky faucet in your bathroom, do you never have to fix it again?
How about if you fill a pothole in a road. Is the road then good forever?
Just because the stimulus worked doesn't mean nothing else is required.
I guess, for Obama, getting the rich to pay their fair share means having them pay $10,000 or $35,000 or more to eat with him. How much of their fair share did Obama or Pelosi or Reid or all of you liberals posting here pay in taxes last year? That's what I love about the liberals, they talk one thing, but don't pony up their own money. Come on, pay more taxes than required since you aren't paying your fair share! Come on Libs, put up or shut up!
You have not one stiumulus but 2 due to the fact that we came out of a deep recession that wasn't too far from being a depression, thats why in the Bush adminstration we were cut a check for $1425 dollars with instructions to go out and spend it. WHY, would a damned Republican President do that?
1) They knew then that the downside of a cyclic economy was right around the corner with no REAL answers and were trying to throw anything at it. Problem was 60% of Americans that received that check did not go out and spend it as instructed, they paid off freakin bills, because a vast majority of Americans are over extended in their personal debt. Which was one of the real engines that quit to fuel this recession. NO one was purchasing anything!!! Republican, Democrat or Independent, they were trying to get out of debt.
2) Then you have a car industry ready to collapse, and for that reason you had the Bush administration summon both the McCain parties and Obama parties to the Whitehouse, to simply say, one of you will inherit this, AND WE HAVE NO FREAKIN ANSWERS!
3.) Then as the economy comes to a screeching halt, people start bailing out of their home loans at the pace of an avalanche, this was starting in the Bush years, with NO FREAKIN ANSWERS!!
4.) So then we have Obama and a little of Bush as he was exiting to Midland,TX who, basically throws money at this to prevent a cataclysmic catastrophe.
5) At the same time you have 2 wars going on at a cost of +2 trillion with NO FREAKIN ANSWERS.
6) Then you have states with big time budget shortfalls due to no property taxes, spending issues and the like with NO FREAKIN ANSWERS!! Some states worse than others for a million reasons.
And so now we have the Rep. Ryans of the world with the balls to get on media and say, our debt ratio is too high and I propose a 6 trillion dollar debt reduction mostly with entitlements cuts and NO tax revenue, it will be for the best interest of the American people. If the best interest of America is regular Americans walking around with a stick up their ASS!!!
This independent cannot and will not be sold on Republicanism.
How's Obama playing class warfare? The Republicans won't pass a tax break for middle class people. The Republicans blocked the super committee from doing it's job because it would have meant millionaires and billionaires paying a tiny tiny fraction more in taxes.
Who's playing class warfare again? Republicans seem to be all about tax cuts...... when they're for the wealthy. Why are they so against a payroll tax break that would benefit the working class and improve the economy?
The far right, Grover The Lobbyist - owned Republicans are playing class warfare. They have been for three years and now they're trying to blame the results of all their hard work on Obama.
Too bad for you guys a majority is aware of it and will vote your do-nothing 1% owned pocket politicians out. Independents aren't stupid enough to be swayed by your ludicrously substanceless talking points and slander.
Oh no, Obama campaigns during campaign season like all your candidates! Oh no Obama took less vacation than the last 3 Republican presidents. Oh no, Obama didn't fix all of Bush's thousands of f*** ups in two years, let's put another neo-CON in!
It's sad really. You guys haven't figured out yet we're over your fringe right ideology? Your Bush made sure the next three generations will be paying for his mistakes.
You know what's unbelievable?...THAT TRUTH,HONESTY,INTEGRITY,JUSTICE....& YES HONOR Is a foreign word & way of life for the hateful,spiteful,anti-American.....When a black man was elected President of these UNITED STATES of AMERICA...Is seen as the enemy, by a select few,who to this day will not even acknowledge this miracle that only could happen in a true Democracy......You don't have to like or voted for this President,but he did won by the largest majority vote ever of any Precidentcy in the history of the republic....But yet fellow AMERICANS ROSE UP & WILL TAKE OUR COUNTRY INTO RIUNS...Just to see this President fail....but the only ruin will be fellow Man/Woman/Child who represent the country,our starving ,need health care,hurting in soul,anguish,because of politics of hate by again a select few............Well the good news is that GOOD WILL ALWAYS OVER COME EVIL,THAT A BOY/GIRL WILL AGAIN RECEIVE NOURISHMENT,BELLY'S FOOL/starving out.....And laughter,happiness will again be thought of as a feeling,instead of an embellishment in todays society that is torn because of blck man in the MOST POWERFUL OFFICE IN THE WORLD.......& THE ANTI American will no longer say" fail-experiment(code-word)...that-one(code-word)tea-party(anti-American),,,,etc.....etc....BECAUSE WE WILL ALWAYS BE A MELTING POT & THE BLACK THE BROWN THE RED THE YELLOW WILL BE THE MAJORITY SOON......THIS IS ALL FACT.....& OF THE WORD OF FATHER FLANAGAN NO BOY IS BAD.
@fielden #4.7,
Really, that's some pretty weal analogies you attempt there buckaroo !
If you truly fix a leaky faucet, you should not have to fix it for several years, unless it is used an incredibly large amount of times or was not fixed properly to begin with. The same is pretty much true for potholes, although heavy travel by 18 wheelers might hasten the need to repair.
The "Stimulus" was pretty much a failure. Even many Democrats have acknowledged its lack of results. With you libbies, however, you cry that it simply was not big enough. One thing, however, is big enough ...the NATIONAL DEBT which has increased dramatically under Obama's reign of massive spending increases, green company giveaways, shovel-ready jobs that were not so shovel ready, trains to nowhere and economy-killing Obamacare legislation !
Obama's only real concern now is his re-election .... maintaining HIS POWER at all costs !
If it worked so well, why is he trying to pass one again just two years later? If it worked so well, why has unemployment gone DOWN since it was implemented (which they promised it wouldn't go past 8%)??????????????????
Um.............your ignorance is on display in this post. The VAST majority of the Bush tax cuts benefitted the middle and lower tax brackets. Remind me who was NOT in favor of extending those. (hint: it was NOT the Republicans)
How did the Republicans block the supercommittee?????? They were pretty vocal in the amount of concessions they were willing to make. Were the Democrats?? Where was Obama in this whole mess? Why didn't he intervene to help get a deal done?????
FYI: Obama has now played 30 ROUNDS OF GOLF THIS YEAR, breaking the record for a standing President. Now, about that vacation..................
"The "Stimulus" was pretty much a failure. Even many Democrats have acknowledged its lack of results."
Except that the majority of research done on this stimulus has indicated that it worked. See here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/did-the-stimulus-work-a-review-of-the-nine-best-studies-on-the-subject/2011/08/16/gIQAThbibJ_blog.html
"How did the Republicans block the supercommittee?????? They were pretty vocal in the amount of concessions they were willing to make."
Really? They were willing to have a tax increase? I don't think so.
"Were the Democrats??" Here are the concessions the Democrats were willing to make, including cuts to Medicare and Medicaid. See here: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3623
"Where was Obama in this whole mess? Why didn't he intervene to help get a deal done?????"
You're aware that the Super committee's job fell under the legislative branch, while Obama heads the executive branch, right? And how would it help for him to 'intervene' (whatever that would look like) when the stated objective of the Republican party has been for him to be a one-term president?
"Obama has now played 30 ROUNDS OF GOLF THIS YEAR, breaking the record for a standing President."
How much would you suppose each 5 hour round of golf cost the taxpayers and would it be comparable to flying Air Force One to Texas and back for several days? Just askin....
DrDr
The Toomey Plan had 500 Billion in NEW Revenues. Closing loop holes and such. Where were you 2 weeks ago ago??
DrGimme and Eric are the Socialist recruiters on this thread.
"The Toomey Plan had 500 Billion in NEW Revenues."
Right, lowering taxes on the wealthy and RAISING them for the middle class. Great idea. Or not.
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/e09c6254e4274867a1a112fd9cc1e2eb/US--Debt-Supercommittee-Taxes/
The FOX TV News said the first stimulus was a failure, I don't think it was a failure, there was some waste in it, there was alot of infrastructure in it, maybe should have been more, the unemployment rate has stayed steady at 9.1 instead of 13-14 if it wasn't passed. OK, so now it's time for me to get the Rutherford Institute conservative think tank propaganda percentages and stats, go ahead, it's going to come, start replying.
The stimulus was an absolute failure ....and dems are blind to that fact as they search and search for justification with phony excuses....The bulk of the money went to government entities and encouraged them to ignore the actual financial situation for a yr or two. True to form the gov entities took and spent the temporary money to keep their bloated programs going and their bloated gov growth going...for another yr... Then of course, much was given to failed green companies and their failed premise of being actual serious companies ready to compete in the market place.... That was all a lie that everyone except the nutty green people of the left realized. And of course, much of the money was given away to bolster the public unions that produce little except more debt and government growth....
No private sector permanent jobs were produced. No solid permanent income producing investments were made.....The money(our money) was just given away without return. All there is to show for it is another trillion in gov debt.
"The stimulus was an absolute failure ....and dems are blind to that fact as they search and search for justification with phony excuses...."
Because you say so, I guess. No support for this position, while there is support as demonstrated above that the stimulus worked.
"No private sector permanent jobs were produced."
Perhaps you could provide a credible source for this. Especially as private sector jobs have grown every month for the past 20 months. http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_12/private_sector_jobs_picture_al033849.php
Dr...Apparently(because you say so) this country must be in a boom situation and everyone has a job and making more money than ever....We dont have an extra $1tril Obama deficit and the budget is sure to be balanced next year....It is just that none of us stupid people recognize it....Apparently the leftist radicals understand all of that good stuff that Obama has accomplished...
"Apparently(because you say so) this country must be in a boom situation and everyone has a job and making more money than ever....We dont have an extra $1tril Obama deficit and the budget is sure to be balanced next year.."
And you'd have a valid point if anybody had actually said anything even resembling this. But they didn't.
Dr...Just pointing out the fact that the Obama stimulus has not accomplished anything positive for the country....And you are in denial about it. Indeed, it appears that there are many more negatives about the Obama method than positives....In other words his stimulus was not even targeting what ails the country.....I even thought that the country would heal itself if left alone, but the Obama record of giving away our money and killing anything that looks similar to investment has been nothing but a negative. His only progress has been to grow government and costs and greater debt.....You (and Obama) can call that progress I guess, but to the rest of the country it is just one big huge failure....and you keep your mind closed and rally around growing socialism and big central government, while the country and private enterprise and our democratic republic dies...
What ever you may think of President Obama Good, bad or indifferent! Be vigilant: An elected GOP POTUS will be a carbon copy/clone of all GOP Governors elected in 2010.
That works for me!
He wants to extend tax cuts but he doesn't want the other political party extending cuts. His cuts came to less than $60/mo and had to be paid back on tax day. His "cuts" cost me more when I filed my return.
And having obama re-elected will just be more of the same head-up-his-arse leadership he has provided so far.
Well said ranmarie.
Beware the state races too. They may be deflecting their true agenda with this mockery of a primary race.
More ALEC state government.
Lmao......Some how I knew you would be!
the thinker? are you thinking?....the FICA tax cut is needed right now....now give me one good reason why it should not be expanded and extended and paid for by people making over 1 million a year? ONE GOOD REASON PLEASE!?
I want Obama to lose soooo bad... We will be able to send more jobs overseas, squeeze every penny from the middle class and give the rich all the tax breaks they desire :).... I'm so excited I'm shivering.. I can't wait. Oh yea, that Obamacare juggernaut has to go... Department of education has to go. Can't wait for election night in 2012.
You mean the tax cuts that Obama extended? Or all the jobs that have gone overseas during the last 3 years? Or the 2 additional wars that Obama engaged us in, on top of the ones he inherited. How about that Gitmo that hasnt been closed, and that Patriot Act that was renewed. I'll be the first to admit Bush was a lousy president, do you at least have the intellectual fortitude to admit that Obama is basically the same guy?
Jeff, get the facts and then come back and try to discuss these topics.
fielden -
By signing the legislation last December, Obama took ownership. Too bad you can't reason things out properly, but what can one expect from today's union-run, liberal, public education system?
good
Tammy and the rest of you fuks who like to play this ownership card. Why did he pass that bill? Because the republicans were holding unemployment benefits hostage (if i'm not mistaken). So what would you do, if backed in a corner, HUH? You pieces of sh!t discuss me because of the blatant dishonesty spewing from your sewers. At least be honest and say you hate Obama because he is a black man. Because if i'm not mistaken, the president doesn't run the country by himself. He along with the to other branches in congress comprise a single entity called congress, if you don't like him, then be f'ing honest and say they all suck, because if not, their are underlying issues that you do not wish to state because they are unfounded and possibly prejudice if not racist. So be honest...
edit... "called the u.s. government"
I will tell you why MICH. If you look at the whole instead of the half you would realize that when you look at how much money is generated by class the wealthy generate around 2 trillion dollars a year. That would include all businesses. The middle class generates around 6 trillion a year. The Dumbazzcraps and Repugnacants know were the money is. It is in the middle class and ALL politicians will follow the money. What should be done is let the tax credits expire completely. I don't mind paying a little more because I love (my) this country but if Americans want this country back then everyone should pay more including the ones that pay absolutely nothing because of the tax cuts. Graduate the tax code to where those that are in poverty still pay nothing ( and also don't get more back than they paid in) and bring it back to where it was when Bush cut the tax rates. Dumbama extended them. I can't say the Bush tax cuts anymore because the Dumbacraps and Dumbama own them now.
SSN recipients, dry dog food on sale at PetsMart this weekend for survival nutrition, chicken, beef, liver
Which SSN recipients? The SSN recipients is a pretty broad term. Are you talking about who are billionaires SSN recipients who get SSN because the government requires them to take it even though the amount they get is peanuts relative to amount they can self fund? Or perhaps the SSN recipients who only have their SSN income? All SSN recipients which are funded by the next generation with a capped amount on higher incomes? Billionaires children are paying somewhere between 10.4% and 0% while the middle income and poor children funding their parents are paying 10.4% now and will increase at end of year to 12.4%.
Screwy government programs that make no sense. Its time to get rid of the farce that your payroll taxes pay for you. They do not they pay for your parents and grandparents. The harsh reality is that the parents and grandparents had less kids and grandchildren to spread their burden to. Some SSN recipients are not parents or grandparents so another's kids and grand-kids are paying for them.
Obama should be impeached for campaigning on the Tax Payers Expense.
The guy is a total failure.
Alan W - since every President has done the same thing I'm surprised you didn't want them all impeached!
You sound about as ignorant as every other bagger idiot on this board.
Chris Gilliard;
You have to be a true liberal because I don't see your post attacked by Tyler. It must
be nice to be under the Liberal protection program. No COH violation here. Nice
double standard or is it hypocrisy here.
The difference is, he never stopped.
Alan, don't you think that if your rant had any validity your masters, the repugnicrites would have done it already????
hey Alan grow up....the only reason why I can see you and people like bitching about the President "campaigning" at "tax payer expense" and not bitch about your god Dubya is that it is nothing but a veiled racism.
Heree we go ...... the RACE CARD HAS BEEN PLAYED by real michaud. The "only reason you can see...." is severely limited by your constant idolatrous worship of Obama.
Even a blind hog can find an acorn now and then. What's your excuse .... head buried in the sand ? Obama is simplaying the CLASS WARFARE trying to pit the middle class against "the rich". Social Security taxes need to be left alone. This is simply Obama trying to pass out the candy !!
jim, it's obvious that you are a f'ing moron to. Does the POTUS work in a vacuum or are there to other entities that work with the executive branch to run this country? So to say you don't like him, but do not have anything to say about the senate or house shows, as I stated, and underlying hatred that doesn't want to be stated as that would discredit you and make you look prejudice or racists. So be honest...
KingJust627,
Thank you for your inflammatory comments to me and to others in your diatribe at #5.12 ! You have quickly proven that some liberals cannot argue politics without resorting to hate-filled, personal attacks on others who post different views. Then you accuse ME of hate ... how hypocritical !!
At my age, with 2 different college diplomas and a CPA certificate under my belt, I make no apologies to anyone for my intelligence or my education. Because of my profession, I have a decent understanding of financial matters and tax laws. Obama "robbing Social Security" to buy votes is merely pandering for his re-election. The long-run effects will be LOWER PAYOUTS to Social Security recipients when they retire. Perhaps, your knowledge of financial matters is way too small to comprehend the bigger picture that entails. My education, my knowledge and my experience can foresee the negative effect in the future.
Obama as a person, has a very affable personality and I would love to play golf with him sometime were I still participating in that activity. He is, however, a narcissist and a financial moron who has no business leading this country.
So be honest ... you really don't understand financial matters, do you ? You play the race card because your knowledge and your education does not allow you to look beyond the "Crutch" of racism to see the serious financial harm Obama is inflicting upon the citizens of the United States.
Have a truly blessed day !
Jim, for such an intelligent person, you should get you facts straight (not straight from Fox News). The benefits are to be paid for by a 3.5% tax increase on the job outsourcers. There is no robbing of Social Security. Mitch McConnell says that we should freeze the salaries of all federal employees and fire 200,000 of them (he did not include himself in that number) to pay for the payroll holiday. I agree with you that we should all be civil. But civility is no substitute for cruelty.
I guess listening to Mitch you now know why the "good book" says the last shall be the first and the first shall be the last.
" He is, however, a narcissist and a financial moron who has no business leading this country."
How would a CPA certification qualify you to make a psychological diagnosis? And for a 'financial moron' President Obama seems to be doing pretty well himself; he's a self-made millionaire.
DrDrGimme the News, I have a bad case of DISAGREEING with you ! Where shall I begin ?
If you read my post at #6.9 CAREFULLY, I said I had two degrees. The first one was in a Pre-Med curriculum with a major in Psychology and minor in Biology (didn't do well in Organic Chemistry). The second degree was in Accounting.
As for the "financial moron", I am specifically referring to his woefully poor management of the financial matters of the U.S.A. ..... no budgets, spending $1.6 trillion + over our revenues and throwing away money on green jobs and other political kickbacks, not to mention government ownership of GM stock (kissy, kissy bailout of union pensions) which is now a loser for the U.S.
Of course, Obama and Tony Rezko have looked out for his PERSONAL financial well-being !!!!
Gimme, do you always argue the simplest statements from an extreme position? Perhaps you can explain to the readers why Jim needs to be academically qualified to have a subjective opinion about another man’s personality? He’s not writing a paper for THE NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE is he? No, he is not. He is not being asked to make a professional, medical diagnosis of some kind is he? No, he is not. Therefore, I think it is reasonable to believe that his education, culminating in a CPA, has given him an adequate understanding of the rudiments of critical thinking for him to form an intelligent, well informed opinion.
You also wrote: “And for a 'financial moron' President Obama seems to be doing pretty well himself; he's a self-made millionaire.”
You seem happy enough to exclude the possibilities that Obama could have stolen that money, or inherited it, or won it gambling, or found it, or robbed a 7-11 for it, or cheated some old crippled blind woman out of it. Etc. etc.
"At my age, with 2 different college diplomas and a CPA certificate under my belt, I make no apologies to anyone for my intelligence or my education."
That's what you said. And the CPA is the one you emphasized. So, exactly what is your credible evidence for diagnosing the president as narcissistic, other than the right-wing pundits' opinions?
"As for the "financial moron", I am specifically referring to his woefully poor management of the financial matters of the U.S.A. ..... no budgets, spending $1.6 trillion + over our revenues"
You're aware the president has proposed a budget for the following fiscal year EVERY year he's been in office as he has been required to by law. His first budget for FY 2010 was passed by Congress in summer of 2009. For the last 2 years Congress has been unable to agree on an omnibus budget. That's on Congress, not on the president. And suddenly deficits matter, when they didn't matter before? Seriously?
"Perhaps you can explain to the readers why Jim needs to be academically qualified to have a subjective opinion about another man’s personality?"
Because it's a clinical diagnosis, not a subjective opinion. There's a difference between saying someone 'seems narcissistic' and labeling someone a 'narcissist'. Particularly someone you've never had a personal interaction with.
"You seem happy enough to exclude the possibilities that Obama could have stolen that money, or inherited it, or won it gambling, or found it, or robbed a 7-11 for it, or cheated some old crippled blind woman out of it. Etc. etc."
Just as I'm 'happy enough to exclude the possibilities' that he found gold at the end of the rainbow or that the ToothFairy brought it. Because those 'possibilities' didn't happen either.
Oh I feel sooooooooooooooooooo secure with Newt, Romney at the helm, geee I think I'll have 3 or 4 drinks before I go to bed so I won't have nightmares thinking about the possibilities.
Why is Obama on the road, and not in Washington dealing with the problems? Why wasn't he dealing with the super comity that failed? Isn't that his job? Or has he just completely abandoned his responsibilities? His job is to help make government work, not just blame it when it doesn't. If he can't do his job, then it's time to fire him! Then again, we need to fire ALL of Congress for also not doing their jobs.
You FUX NEWs watcher. If you bothered to get your head out the FUX NEW cloud you would see that if the 1.2 Trillion in tax cuts is enacted the budget to income in his first term would be balanced that included for the first time in 8 years of GOP rule.So go check your facts and get back to me. The worst president was regan and bush. Did you bother to ask bush why he didn't put two wars and medicare part D on the books?. No of course you didn't. President Obama first act was to put them on the books and balance the budget....... But nnnnoooo coming into the worst situation ever in history by any President is not enough. Only a FUX NEW bigot would see him as the worse President in history. But history will show he was the best person for the job period and the American people made the right choice for at change.
Disatisfied: You're also uninformed. The super committee was Congress' responsibility not the president's. They were the ones who formulated that plan. The president did the correct thing and let Congress handle the budget seeing that it's Congress' job to come up with a budget and to control the country's purse strings. A simple course in American Civics would've done you and the rest of your intellectually challenged cabal some good and possibly, though doudtful, would'nt have made you look like an idiot.
oleonard: Only a FUX NEW bigot would see him as the worse President in history. Interesting comment. I watch Fox news and many other news shows on other channels but I find that Fox is the most open minded of them all. Does that make me a bigot too?
soaz- Open minded? LOL Tell us ONE POSITIVE story that FOX has done on the President, they even spun the killing of OBL. Come on now ONE STORY.... crickets..... What it does make you is ill informed as polls show, Fox viewers come in last every time!
humm, watch the O'Reilly Factor and then watch the Ed Show. You'll see O'Reilly has oppposing points of view on every topic. And he has complimented the president numerous times. You're the blind one here. If that's not good enough watch Maddow or Olberman and see what they offer.
it's entertaining listening to the sofa liberals defend policies their can neither defend or understand. yet they have to be good since Obama said they were.
And all of those who oppose obama understand those legislation you state the liberals don't? STFU hypocrite, all of you are couch politicians, even myself at times. God, most of you pompous asses can't get over yourselves or your hatred for a colored man.
More inflammatory comments from KingJust 627 ... how do you get by with this stuff ?
Disatisfied, did you not read this article, if yes, then your response makes no sense. Example: you don't need to be in Washington to be taking care of what need to be done. Go back and read the article, Obama is trying to get support for what needs to be done to help the economy, something Republicans care nothing about except making their wallet size expand. You should know this seeing as Bush was always at Camp David.
Come on, these people are constantly updated, never left alone, it's always been that way, quit making it like Obama invented Presidential vacations, I go a week on vacation, and with my laptop consistently work when I so call "vacation", he's unable to that huh?
Lets vote for him again! Can you imagine what he could do in another 4 years? We would have house to house combat as riots breakout
Why it didn't happen after Bush was reelected? The worst President ever!
Sure can imagine what Obama will do in his second term...continue the recovery from the horrific mess of George Bush and the right wing nut cases who highjacked this country.
we would have an out of control junior chavez who would finish off this country for good
JamesDouglas, I think it's about time you give up that ridiculous notion some of you conservatives have. I think at least with the down fall of Bin Laden you should stop being so ignorant. Now what do you think we would have with your front runner, a Mormon for God's sake, I don't even what to imagine.
The unqualified President yet again ignoring the Constitution and campaigning for President. We know MSNBC will not admit what we already know that a Natural Born Citizen is someone born to two (BOTH) parents who are already US Citizens at the time of the child's bith.
Barack Hussein Obama II has publicly admitted his father Barack Obama Sr. was a Kenyan native and a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. Barack Obama Sr. never became a U.S. citizen. Therefore, Barack Hussein Obama II is not now and never can be a natural born citizen of the United States
It isn't a requirement to have both parents as citizens. In fact, merely being born in the U.S. or its territories qualifies - despite the nationality of its parents.
Thinker, You need to review your 18th Century History. Remember the US Constitution was written in that century.
The term natural born citizen was first codified in the legal reference book "Law of Nations" in 1758, of which was used by John Jay who later became the first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. John Jay considered the outstanding legal scholar of his time had the "natural born citizen" clause inserted into the U.S. Constitution via a letter he wrote to George Washington, the leader of the Constitutional Convention.
Also review court cases Minor v. Happersett in 1874, U.S v. Wong Kim Ark in 1898 and Perkins v. Elg's in 1939. the Perkins v Elg's will help you understand the difference between a NATIVE Born Citizen and a NATURAL Born Citizen, something the Media Elite darns not report on
Kurt - The term natural born citizen is not defined in the Constitution but there have been several opinions proffered.
However, the generally accepted standards are: any child born "in" the U.S., a child born of U.S. citizens abroad, a child born of at least one citizen parent living abroad that meets residency requirements. Though these conditions may not meet with your interpretation, they are the accepted standards.
Does that mean that those who don't meet your definition of Natural born are Unnatural born citizens?
My "accepted standards" are not mine but the accepted standards of the framers of the Constitution and backed up by the 3 US Supreme Court Cases in my previous comment. It is better to go by the Standards of the source, the creators of the document, the US Constitution, rather than any modern day political correct interpetation. This standard was created specially for the President and VP to make sure of highly remote change of dual allgiances. We may not like that standard, is so, we should start a Constitutinal Admenment process rather than discarding the Constitution just because we want to vote for someone who fits our political correctness guidelines
all a bunch of Birther BS...his Mother was American and he was born in Hawaii....more racist Birther BS
Kurt: Could this supposed claim be any more absurd? Could there be any reasonable argument to make 3 years into the President's first term that he is not a citizen of the US? What rock do you people crawl out from?? You can't argue facts, or policy, or logic so you come up with this absurdity that at the time the framer's lived, anyone knew anything about genetics other than possibly, who a birth mother might have been? What possible relevancy does this obsesson have to anything today? Your definition means nothing, not legally, not historically and certainly not logically.
AP, how can you expect a right wing conservative extremist to have any logic, they are ruled by their demons.
Is everyone on board with the Payroll Tax push?
My concern is the Payroll Tax funds the Social Security Trust. So what is being offered is in effect an instant refund of your future benefit. And to pay for this? Will any new revenue actually be applied towards the Trust, or just spent elsewhere?
I have no issue with trying to offer a stimulus to the middle class, but can't it been done without kicking the can further down the road?
What is wrong with you? You are not supposed to be smart enough to realize that. The SS fund is failing and he is just hurrying along its demise but by the time it is declared defunct he will be out of office and it will be someone else's fault.
What was initiated as a supplemental source of retirement has become a sole means of retirement. The people figured "why save for tomorrow when I can enjoy my money today". And obama is helping promote that attitude. From the numbers cited in the article people "saved" less than $60/mo in taxes. But what they really got was about $60/mo more take-home pay at the expense of higher income taxes at the end of the year. But, considering only about 50% of the people pay federal income tax, they got a pay raise. However, for those who do pay taxes, they got less put into their SS fund and also got to pay taxes on the additional amount of take-home pay.
Don't get me wrong. I would like for the government to terminate the SS fund and let me provide for my own retirement since I already am. My attitude is that I will never see any SS money and therefore I can put additional funds into a private fund. If I do get SS funds that will be an unanticipated bonus.
Still telling the social security lie huh? You baggers really need to get some new material or better writers at bagger headquarters because everything that you put out is stale.
Stale because the story stays consistent? Or stale because the story doesn't morph to fit an ever-changing agenda?
I'll give you that thinker, you certainly are consistent when it comes to spewing BS.
Years from now, historians may regard the 2008 election of Barack Obama as an inscrutable and disturbing phenomenon, a baffling breed of mass hysteria akin perhaps to the witch craze of the Middle Ages. How, they will wonder, did a man so devoid of professional accomplishment beguile so many into thinking he could manage the world's largest economy, direct the world's most powerful military, execute the world's most consequential job?
Imagine a future historian examining Obama's pre-presidential life: ushered into and through the Ivy League despite unremarkable grades and test scores along the way; a cushy non-job as a "community organizer"; a brief career as a state legislator devoid of legislative achievement (and in fact nearly devoid of his attention, so often did he vote "present") ; and finally an unaccomplished single term in the United States Senate, the entirety of which was devoted to his presidential ambitions. He left no academic legacy in academia, authored no signature legislation as a legislator.
And then there is the matter of his troubling associations: the white-hating, America-loathing preacher who for decades served as Obama's "spiritual mentor"; a real-life, actual terrorist who served as Obama's colleague and political sponsor. It is easy to imagine a future historian looking at it all and asking: how on Earth was such a man elected president?
Not content to wait for history, the incomparable Norman Podhoretz addressed the question recently in the Wall Street Journal:
To be sure, no white candidate who had close associations with an outspoken hater of America like Jeremiah Wright and an unrepentant terrorist like Bill Ayers, would have lasted a single day. But because Mr. Obama was black, and therefore entitled in the eyes of liberaldom to have hung out with protesters against various American injustices, even if they were a bit extreme, he was given a pass.
Let that sink in: Obama was given a pass -- held to a lower standard -- because of the color of his skin. Podhoretz continues:
And in any case, what did such ancient history matter when he was also so articulate and elegant and (as he himself had said) "non-threatening," all of which gave him a fighting chance to become the first black president and thereby to lay the curse of racism to rest?
Podhoretz puts his finger, I think, on the animating pulse of the Obama phenomenon -- affirmative action . Not in the legal sense, of course. But certainly in the motivating sentiment behind all affirmative action laws and regulations, which are designed primarily to make white people, and especially white liberals, feel good about themselves.
Unfortunately, minorities often suffer so that whites can pat themselves on the back. Liberals routinely admit minorities to schools for which they are not qualified, yet take no responsibility for the inevitable poor performance and high drop-out rates which follow. Liberals don't care if these minority students fail; liberals aren't around to witness the emotional devastation and deflated self esteem resulting from the racist policy that is affirmative action. Yes, racist.
Holding someone to a separate standard merely because of the color of his skin -- that's affirmative action in a nutshell, and if that isn't racism, then nothing is. And that is what America did to Obama.
True, Obama himself was never troubled by his lack of achievements, but why would he be? As many have noted, Obama was told he was good enough for Columbia despite undistinguished grades at Occidental; he was told he was good enough for the US Senate despite a mediocre record in Illinois ; he was told he was good enough to be president despite no record at all in the Senate. All his life, every step of the way, Obama was told he was good enough for the next step, in spite of ample evidence to the contrary. What could this breed if not the sort of empty narcissism on display every time Obama speaks?
In 2008, many who agreed that he lacked executive qualifications nonetheless raved about Obama's oratory skills, intellect, and cool character. Those people -- conservatives included -- ought now to be deeply embarrassed. The man thinks and speaks in the hoariest of cliché’s, and that's when he has his teleprompter in front of him; when the prompteris absent he can barely think or speak at all. Not one original idea has ever issued from his mouth -- it's all warmed-over Marxism of the kind that has failed over and over again for 100 years.
And what about his character? Obama is constantly blaming anything and everything else for his troubles. Bush did it; it was bad luck; I inherited this mess. It is embarrassing to see a president so willing to advertise his own powerlessness, so comfortable with his own incompetence. But really, what were we to expect? The man has never been responsible for anything, so how do we expect him to act responsibly?
In short: our president is a small and small-minded man, with neither the temperament nor the intellect to handle his job. When you understand that, and only when you understand that, will the current erosion of liberty and prosperity make sense. It could not have gone otherwise with such a man in the Oval Office .
Yep, years from now AFTER the Obama "Presidency", the true meaning of "Natural Born Citizen" as intended by the framers of the US Constitution will be "rediscovered" long after the damage done by the current occupant in the Oval Office
The above post is more cut and paste drivel from anther right wing crazie incapable of independent thought.
Matt, one of the best articles I've read in a long time!
Or one could say that his election is a product of our election process. He was certainly the best man to "run for the job", but not necessarilty the best man "to run the job".
He is arguably one of the best speakers, campaigners, and activists this country has ever seen.
Sharky - Yup! It would be drivel in your mind as that's what goes on in it. Independent thought requires a large amount of objectivity. It's drivel because it doesn't meet your standards of preconcieved thought and direction,and because of that everything must be bought down to your level to make it right.
What he was able to accomplish during the last election was to amplify the racist attitude of the blacks. As a race they voted almost exclusively for a member of their race. I'm sure there will be many that will try to draw a parallel by saying that the whites voted for whites in previous elections - which is true. However, when there was a choice, the whites didn't necessarily vote for the candidate based mainly on their race. Despite the black vote at 95+% for the black candidate, he would not have won without the support of a vast number of white votes. Basically, if the whites had voted according to race, obama would not be in the position he is now.
I believe that the reason Cain is having issues with his campaign now is because the public is not going to allow another person that has not proven themself to con the public. They were fooled by a less than mediocre individual and now are going to hold the future candidates to task. Cain can overcome some of his personal issues just as previous politicians have overcome theirs.
Maybe you should try another screen name.
If Sharky is so hung up on originality, how about Obama stealing the title "Audacity of Hope" from rev. Wright and Bill Ayers being responsible for writing most of the book?
Excellent post Matt.
matt
It's not your thoughts. It's just another cut and paste piece of BS from the usual far right web sites. You are not articulate enough to compose your own thoughts or honest enough to attribute the crap to the web site.
And you know this how?
Adolf Hitler wrote a best seller... Mein Kampf ever heard of it Matt and the rest of wagonists? Keep sipping on the propaganda kool aid coming from the far right. You will be bent over the barrel like the rest of us LOL... Invest in some ky jelly because we will be getting it much harder in 2012 when your wish comes true :)
Thinker: but yours is somehow NOT a racist attitude? Right, everyone of color thinks and acts monolithically according to you, voting only by race, not, like YOU, according to their own interests and beliefs and philosophies. Did it ever occur to you that the vast majority of blacks are registered DEMOCRATS for a reason OTHER than race (since Jesse Jackson would have been President if that were true) and therefore might support a DEMOCRAT and not just for reasons of race??? You ought to reexamine that moniker.
very long-winded, condescending, and unengaging soliloquy, which seems to be the mindset of a conservative. just cause you think it, doesn't make it right
Well, Obama did inherit 8 years of NO domestic policy, that's almost a decade of an administration up to it's head in fecal material called Iraq & Afg. not completely sure where to take it. with a cost well over 2 trillion at the same time his famous tax cuts(Never done in any American warfare of this magnitude) even accelerated a debt, only to have Rep. Ryan to constantly blame Obama for ridiculous debt ratios. When Bush was leaving office the DOW was at 7,000 points headed south even more, so YES, I hold Bush responsible for the next 10 years and after that we will get a good idea of Obama and what he did or didn't do. The famous comeback, "you can't hold Bush responsible", only 3 years, you sure as hell can.
Jeez, Matt, plagiarize much?
Wake up people! Our economy needs consumers with $, a lot of consumers, not just the top few. The GoP likes a flat tax , then let it be so, take the top off of the payroll tax and lower the rate, problem solved. The public is not aware of the 100,000/yr top on payrol tax and the media seems to like it that away. I am for a flat tax on income tax as well, with a responsible cost of living deduction and a short form filing similiar to what we have now. This is what people think of when they say they want a flat tax. When is the media going to inform the public and stop the cover up.
Your right, people need to spend, which leads to the real reason this economy tanked and that is the personal debt ratio of the common American hit an ALL TIME HIGH, back in 2006 due to over extension of credit card usage, mortgages that were too much for the individual personal budget, and FINALLY hit a ceiling across this nation where people were spent out and began to quit spending. Which was no politicians fault more the fault of personal consumer tastes, which for the typical American is too MUCH. Too much materialism and no way to FUND IT, in that Obama can't be blamed, Bush can't be blamed, it's the American way.
Funny, no mention of Obama referring to the incident in Iran involving the "English" embassy. No mention ever of the 57 states or the "Corpse" men. What a self-absorbed jackass. Shame on this pathetic propaganda arm for never reporting on Obama's many errors.
O.L.: I'll give the President benefit of the doubt about commenting on Iran. Brian Williams didn't have anything last eve but I was distracted a couple times, could have missed it. There may be something coming out of the WH press briefings, but I wouldn't know about that. I don't watch Dancing With the Stars and d--- sure don't watch Dancing with Jay Carney!
No reporting on the worthless 10+ years in Iraq & Afg. at a horrific cost of 2+ trillion, and tax cuts at the same time, never done before in the history of American warfare, the total cost is essentially 4+ trillion. Shame on that FOX pathetic propaganda arm for not revealling all the truth.
Bush added about 4 trillion to the debt in 8 years. Obama has exceeded that in 3 years.
Debt in 2002 (end of first Bush budget year) $6.2T
Debt in 2009 (end of last Bush budget year) $11.9T
Debt in 2011 (end of most recent fiscal year 9/30/11) $14.8T
http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html
Right, and we were in 2 wars, with no funding, first time in the history of U.S. Warfare. Bush asked both the Obama team and McCain team to come to Washington,DC to discuss the pending Auto Industry collapse, the cycle of job losses occurring, the pending mortgage crisis and foreclosure hitting certain states like California, Arizona, Florida to assist the winner in the acquistion phase whoever would win would be inheriting this economic disaster, and your point is what after a deep recession that was damn near a depression. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? I would assume that your going to have the gall to blame Obama on this and not hold 8 years of George Bush(almost a decade)of little domestic policy, your going to heep this entire mess on Obama, STUPID.
gather the fake, slobbering union trash backdrop and then it's off the hob nob with the MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES.
Lets see, Social Security will not have enough money to meets its obligations in 2036, More people are retiring early (62) so we are paying out more than we are taking in for the Social Security Trust fund. Baby Boomers are retiring starting January 1, 2011 at 10,000 a day drawing on the Social Security Trust Fund. We are paying in 4.2 % this year , 2% less than in previous years. Lets pay less in to the fund so it will run out of money sooner. Remember the less you pay in the less you get back. This isn't a TAX break, this is just reducing the amount people will get when they do retire. A tax break comes from my federal taxes i pay not from my Social Security Retirement Fund. Another bait and Switch from the Federal Government fund. The Presidents Tax break will have the employee paying only 3.1% and the employer paying on 3.1% that is 50% of what we were paying. Expect your Social Security Retirement Fund to go way down when you are ready to retire. I checked my fund and it when down $26.00 a month from what the fund calculate last year when i retire at 66 years old. I would expect it to go down a lot more if the so called TAX break goes through. I also expect the Social Security Retirement Fund to run out of money a lot sooner if we are paying in 50% less. That 2.2 Trillion dollars in government bonds that are in the trust fund will run out before you know it. When they cash these government bonds the money comes out of the General Tax Fund. If we do not have the money where are they getting it ? borrowing again ? seems like another slight of hand deal, fixing the books. Watch out for the government kicking the can down the road.
The presidents proposal is to have the SS retirement fund reimbursed by the same amount by a 5.5% tax on income over 1 million dollars but the Congressional teabaggers will reject the bill. After all republicans work for the Koch brothers.
@ sharky.
The proposal is to "pay" for it. Wait to see if 1) there's an offset in revenue; if so, 2) that revenue actually goes to the S.S. Trust.
And if the bill passes, you will be able to read the details at thomas.loc.gov
Call me cynical, but I smell a permanent tax to fund a temporary cut to be thrown into the general budget.
I agree with you. The Republican teabaggers will never agree to tax increases to billionaires so they will eventually agree to just the tax cut. Teabagger republicans only concern benefiting the top 1%.
M.J. - You aren't cynical; you are observant. The liberals NEVER give up something for nothing. There is always a bait-and-switch effort behind it. If enough people realize that their SS contributions are being reduced for the benefit of a larger take-home check while simultaneously increasing their net tax liability, they will not look forward to the continuation of this "tax break". Sooner or later this tax break is going to come back and bite people in the ass.
Do you think taxing the income over a million dollars at 5.5% will replace the 6.2 % we are not putting in to the Social Security Retirement Fund? I don't think we have that many making over a million to make up for the 10 of millions of working people and businesses NOT paying the additional 6.2% (3.1% employee,3.1 employer) in to the fund.
Tax the moochers!!!! Make them pay "their fair share." How fair is paying ZERO?! Pull your weight losers or NO ENTITLEMENTS FOR YOU!!!!
I heard that figure was 300k people in the over 1mil range. its easy to do the general math and see that there is not enough to cover SS. But I think sticking it to the "rich" is part of this deal! Sometimes I wish they would just do what the Left wants and then see the actual results. however I dont think the left would say.....damn we thought this would work.....Oh well guess we were wrong.
@ the thinker-318752 ... I cant stop laughing at your post... Obama, cause the racist blacks to vote exclusively for a member of their race... Mr Rocket Scientist... Blacks make up 12% of the population hahahaha, did you skip math or the the hood obscure your vision during class? Dang, I should have gone into politics.. This country is filled with clueless vessels prime for brain washing... But seriously dude, you call yourself the tinker... Seriously? God help us....
They cry about everything, and blame everything on Obama, and then to add insult to this whole thing they offer up, Palin,Bachman, Perry, Cain, now Gingrich as viable alternatives, oh goodie, there's alot to be optimistic about. I can't wait for the DOW to reach 7,000 points when Bush left office.
so, let's privitize it little by little and all invest it in the trustworthy consistent stock market ruled by speculators, similar to Russian Roulette? Better than a "ponzi scheme"
Thankfully, we are one day closer to bouncing this incompetent fool out of office.....his hateful class warfare routine is un-American and ready to backfire in his stupid face......
I'll bet you'll be thrilled with Romney.
Anyone but the charlatan puppet who is bought and paid for by Soros and other global socialist trash.
I bet everyone will be thrilled with real leadership from the excutive branch and Romney might bring the change that was promised.
lots of angry 1%'s here...
I bet you would also want Hitler back, he was so much like the republicans, a bunch of nazi's.
And replace him with what incompetent GOP candidate? Huntsman is the only one you've got and he can't seem to rise above the circus.
Getting the incompetennt fool out of office, and replacing him with what? That's great, with what? Who? I hope your not offfering up the 8 GOP circus participants.
soros+obama+ows= republican in the White House in 2012!!!
which ass clown republican will be elected? Romney? Gingrich? Cain? Bachmann? Perry!!! ha, ha ha!
Any one will return capitalism to the country, no more communist in the white house!!!!!
Only a paid FuX News report would even think that. Why would you want a GOP in office again look what happen the last time. Duh!
And our economy is so much better by the actions of the Blamer-in Chief?
Hopefully one day he will mature past the grade 3 mentality of "it's somebody else's fault". As the saying goes - he may be growing older but he refuses to grow up.
True, but watch out for the "faux news" regurgitating lemmings because special ed and the other liberal propaganda purveyors are the only people telling the unmitigated truth. If not for other outlets, this disaster in control would never be exposed.
You left out WALLSTREET....OOOOHHHHHHHH
I seem to remember Mr Carter having a sizable lead into the election until about 6 weeks before the election, then the polling got real quiet. And the rest was Regan history! Patrick H. Caddell (former pollster for President Jimmy Carter) and Douglas E. Schoen (former pollster for President Bill Clinton) have both asked for Mr Obama to step down and let Hillary run!
Any democrat could beat Obama if allowed to run in a primary in 2012. Any republican nominated will clean the Commie-bama's plow.
this time the republicans won't have to deal with barney frank funneling cash to what he called a aolvent freddie and fannie. what a joke the elite liberals must think of their sofa liberal base.
Better than when Bush was President, that's for sure.
better a commie, than a nazi republican
lu...what great enjoyment for you....to anonamously call people names....and just being an ass in general...
J.A., hey don't all of you call Obama a communist, a terrorist, a socialist, everything in the book, where were you when this was going on and did you say anything to them, I think not, and are you not doing the same thing. Well its just like a conservative to call someone an a** and then say you are wrong for calling people names, you are someone kind of character. And you know what, whenever a republican saids that a democrat is a communist, I going to be right there and say a republican is a nazi, and if that bothers you, stop calling democrats communist, cause republicans started it first, so there.
So lu, it is quite obvious you can "dish it out" but you "can't take it".
You make nazi comments at #15.5 AND #16.11 ..... before J.A. returned fire at #16.12. Then you explode in a diatribe of poorly written emotion. You seem to think it is quite okay for YOU to make inflammatory remarks about a broad class of people, but it is not okay for J.A. to make a remark about the person who is, in fact, the subject of this article.
Are you being a little hypocritical there lu ???????????????????????????????
With what circus GOP candidate are we speaking about who will take Obama's place and create millions of jobs?
"President Barack Obama wants more money in the pockets of U.S. workers — and in his campaign treasury.
He then will descend on donor-rich New York City to raise money for his already flush re-election bid."
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Three (3) MORE fundraisers with the “Fat Cat” millionaires in NY today, (one dinner @ $35,000.00 per person)
while he destroys the City with his Royal traffic nightmares! Does he
gave a crap that the Middle class is trying to see the Tree Lighting at
Rock Center tonight? He!! No!
Gotta make that BILLION Dollar campaign Goal!
SELFISH!!!!!!!
@Patty-Virginia Beach
Gotta Make the Billion Dollar campaign goal.
And President Obama suppose to be that stupid and listen to you but stop raising money. In the mean time the Koch brothers can spend unlimited amounts of money in ads all over the nation. It just shows you that words do matter only if you bother to read them.
by the way i live in Virginia so my vote will offset yours.
obama overall rating 43%
Independent rating 30%
obama one and done!!!!!!
amen
When I was stationed at Bolling AFB, DC I took leave to Va. beach and received the worse sun burn of my life. Anyway, great post Patty.
Gary K-You have no clue what Independents are going to vote, unless you believe the rotten fodder Fox gives you in its Polls. Dow soars 490, private employers added 200,000 jobs in November, wait until July or Aug. of 2012 and see the direction of the economy then, then and only then will you get a drift of the Independent voter. I am a card carrying Independent and I am not exactly enthralled with any of your GOP debators unless your hiding someone like Huntsman, who is hidden back in the pack, barely able to get any recognition due to Palin, then Perry, then Cain, then Gingrich, oh, this Independent feels so safe with the idea of those 4 at the helm.
"while he destroys the City with his Royal traffic nightmares"
Seriously, you're worrying that he'll somehow disrupt the traffic in NYC? Have you ever been to NYC? Traffic is a nightmare anyway, and most of those who live there are used to it and plan for it.
And your point would be what? certainly not to tell us the GOP is any better with fund raising, would it be serious campaign finance reform? That we might have something in common.
@ Patty
Would you be implying that he talks to the 99% and listens to the 1%?
Comment # 19 deleted, A kinda racist derail. No thank you.
Good for the president. He's got to get the word out and let the people know that he's the one fighting for their causes not the baggers. You have these knuckleheads on here complaining about his traveling, well that's what presidents do idiots. They have to get out of Washington and talk to people all over this large and diverse country. There was none of this rancor when Bush was spending years out of Washington and at his "ranch" in Texas.
@ Chris
I respect for your belief in the President. No reason to call be people idiots for their opinions.
I am of the opinion that his travelling is NOT over this large country, but using his "laser-like" focus to repeatedly visit politically charged states.
In other words, I'm pretty sure he didn't visit PA 13 times to go to Hershey, visit Utz, or go to Amish country. But that is only MY opinion...
And your point being?
@ Chris
My point is that his 56 visits this year are geared towards campaigning. And it is my opinion that he were travelling to lead, he would be stopping in more states than the ones deemed "toss-up" or "critical".
MJ I guess that means your point was one Chris cant deny....ooops!
Obama /Biden 2012
Yes we can!
But M.J., if he went to the "toss-up" or "critical" states he might not hear the crowd give him a big Amen. he is so narcissitic that he need sto hear the people tell him his is doing the right thing (ego feeding) - akin to preaching to the choir. Some locations would just have him talking to the security personnel - an empty shirt speaking to an empty arena.
GOP does not need game to beat this ass_ole he already beat himself with the white independents. We are not going to feel guilty about being white this time. I find it funny that there was no word of balanced approach when he had super majority?, and 4.5 trillion spent, LOL. This is the stuff that will hurt Barack.
Plus printing more dollars to bail out Europe????
Pony: Did that horse kick you in the head before you posted this whatever it is you posted?
43% approval, worse in history at this time of a presidency. The king has no clothes. See ya libs, it's almost over.
@ Chris
I would agree with you on the tone of Pony's post. But I agree with Pony in as far as the President's priority list while he had Congressional majorities. I am of the opinion that he put a personal (or party) agenda above what the nation needed. For example, political capital would have been better spent on economic recovery than health care; again, one person's opinion.
I see it in a diffent view, 2 wars that Obama did not insist we go into, 10+ years later, while Bush tax cuts are taking place totalling lost revenue and no funding for these conflicts, after 10+ years about 4 trillion waisted, and thousands of soldiers lives and limbs. An auto industry about to collapse and a mortgage industry when he took office, massive foreclosures, a downturn in economic activity that was obvious in 2007. YEP, alot of money thrown at this mess, with mixed results, most of it not his fault, more like 8 years (2 years short of a decade) of NO domestic policy in the Bush administration and we are still feeling the freakin hangover. Bush adm. knew this was coming or he wouldn't have cut us a check in 2007 for $1425 with instructions to go out and "spend it". They knew then there was trouble on the horizon, and no stupid tax cut or deregulation was going to slow this train down from colliding head on to as close to depression as we will see unless your still alive from 1930's. Sorry, I'm not going to swallow the Obama's vacation/liberal/it's his fault for everything routine, not going to sucker for that one.
3 years in and still can't save the day, but is making it worse at the highest spending in U.S history? You idiots want to keep going on this path to destruction?
Not since I know what kind of disaster Obama inherited
Willie Nelson he ain't.
Obama road trips are singular in purpose - RAISE CASH
what's the point -- when bush and cheney came to california for money, they arrived secretly...
Good! Whatever it takes to keep the teaparty from winning anything. I know that I will not vote for anyone that signed the Norquest pledge!
Sure, it always has been
Well lets look at the facts. Obama has a 46% approval rating congress has a 8% approval rating. The Dow was at 7,949 on bush last day in office. almost every bank has repaid there loan back plus interest. GM is once again a public traded company. What Republican are running on is to end a women right to choose. Stop the gays in the military from getting married. They also want religion taught in the public schools. They are clueness on healthcare. Talk to someone who works at a hospital ER. Today 35% of the people are skipping out on their medical bills. These republican havn't got a clue!
You can word 'the facts' however you like, we are worse off today.
Are you actually admitting that Obama is just for the rich? By the way, what does the banks repaying tarp have to do with anything? Wasn't that passed by Bush? Oh, and just for your information, GM was has never stopped being a publicly traded company.
GM actually did stop being publicly traded. it stopped when it went into liquidation and a new ipo was issued which is what is being traded today. owners of the old gm stock took a loss and were not converted to the new gm stock of today.
F.X., Facts are not what the Obmabots want to hear. You are right, and the new GM stock is selling at about one third the price the government needs to get our money back from the takeover by the Obama administration.
Hoorah! I'm not a big Obama fan, but he sure beats the hell out of the running republican meatballs!
We are in a world of sheet if they get the presidency! After this last couple years of republicon do nothings...I can clearly see I am changing party and will NEVER NEVER look back!
The rest of you spaghetti fans can spit and spew any garbage you want, I see nothing but lies and deceit coming from your pits and I can clearly see why. You have no real solutions to offer up to the average citizen except obfuscation and lie in any way you can to get the votes and the almighty dollar bill to which this world revolves.
My eyes have been opened and I will never be deceived by you weak turds again!
Schmuks!
Dear Angry Ape and your newly opened eyes,
Obama wants to continue the present Social Security payroll tax cut when the Social Security System is already 6 or 7 Trillion dollars underfunded. Does that make sense to you?
The last elections were all about cutting spending, and yet in the past 3 years our spending has increased by 25%.......and that so-called "Super Committee" couldn't come up with any spending cuts. The Democratic controlled Senate is now for the 3rd year in a row refusing to pass an annual budget which they are required to do by the Constitution! I wouldn't blame you for castigating both parties, but to laud the current President who has NOT fixed things as he promised is just unbelievable.
Bean,,,, About that "Ballanced Budget Amendment" conservatives demanded, ever figure out why nearly every conservative voted against it? ------ It would have made their own budget & tax agendas "unconstitutional"
I think we've all heard quite enough from conservatives on economic & tax issues ---- They are deliberately dishonorable & don't work
God forbid we put this country in the hands of conservatives who want to roll back banking regulations & end the EPA which happens to be a major "job creator"
This just in... democrats are in Congress and control the senate!
mom grandma -- yeah, everything is rough right now. we almost fell down a depression pit. it takes a bit to crawl out of it -- longer with conservative obstruction
James...
This just in; it takes 60 votes to move a bill forward; Republicans can (and more often DO) block bills. Democrats do NOT control the senate, they have a majority but that doesn't mean they can get any bill they want passed.
Jim...........
The EPA a major job creator??? Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of jobs that have been put on hold for years by the EPA and Obama in their successful efforts to block and delay construction of the pipeline project from Canada. And we already know how the EPA and enviro-Nazis have for decades kept us from developing and producing our own oil and gas and forcing us to spend untold billions of dollars importing oil and gas from other countries.
Truthteller-You nailed it, and about all most of them can do, is listen to the political "experts" that Hannity has on his show, full of overstated partial truth statements. The fact is, had Obama not brought up health care legislation the Republicans would never touch it, they would let the current system follow down the path of disaster. They would never bring it up, because the AMA & insurance carriers love the GOP
GOP = God's Ordained Politicians! The Christian Taliban, as we call them religious control freak nuts.
Truthteller(Storyteller)---
The Christian Taliban, as we call them religious control freak nuts.What organization is "We" affiliated with????
The average American that is sick of evangelicals who whine and gripe about religious liberty, who on average don't pray as a family at home, because their consumed on the inter net, X-Box, and watching stupid reality shows and NFL football who don't read the bible and pray at home, but get their panties in a twist if some kid comes to school with two parents who are gay or lesbian. And who have to make a once a year statement around a flag pole, but won't take the time to recognize other kids in their same church who may not "fit in" to their religious preppy group at church. I'm in it, I know what goes on.
Well lets look at the facts. Obama has a 46% approval rating congress has a 8% approval rating. The Dow was at 7,949 on bush last day in office. almost every bank has repaid there loan back plus interest. GM is once again a public traded company. What Republican are running on is to end a women right to choose. Stop the gays in the military from getting married. They also want religion taught in the public schools. They are clueness on healthcare. Talk to someone who works at a hospital ER. Today 35% of the people are skipping out on their medical bills. These republican havn't got a clue! Unemployment today for a person holding a BS degree is 3.8% so if you can't find a job blame yourselves.
Truthteller--You really need to change your name to Storyteller. What I read in your posts indicates you haven't a clue about the real world.
well then point out specifically what the fiction is instead of hiding behind rhetoric Will.
Truthteller...........Really? If you want to play around with the truth, play around with this from an August 2011 article by CBS News:
"The latest posting by the Treasury Department shows the national debt has now
increased $4 trillion on President Obama's watch in just 2-1/2 years. The debt was $10.626 trillion on the day Mr. Obama took office. The latest calculation from Treasury shows the debt has now hit $14.639 trillion. It's the most rapid increase in the debt under any U.S. president."
"The national debt increased $4.9 trillion during the eight-year presidency of
George W. Bush. The debt now is rising at a pace to surpass that amount during
Mr. Obama's four-year term."
It's the economy, Stupid......to quote a famous politician. Don't worry about healthcare or abortion or religion or gays in the military. If the dumbass in the White House gets reelected, you'll be worrying more about soup kitchens and rioting in the streets when our creditors finally figure out that there is no way we will be able to pay them back, and they stop loaning us money and stop accepting our worthless currency for the oil we need, because we were too lily-livered to produce our own oil and gas.
The fact is that the day Obama stepped into office he inherited a deficit as well as already-in-the-works policies that continued well into FY 2009 which didn't end until October 2009. http://www.factcheck.org/2010/02/a-texas-size-whopper/
Obama the Inept doesn't care about American workers....see the ban on drilling in the gulf and the delay of the natural gas pipeline....the only thing Obama the Inept care for is himself......Obama the Inept is the worst president we have seen....anyone but Obama the Clown in 2012!!!!
you mean the pipeline delay that the REPUBLICAN governor asked for? lol.
and a ban on drilling in the gulf means he doesn't care about american workers? you mean like the american workers shut down by the gulf oil spill recently?
Vermontguy - the rep governor asked that the position of the pipeline be moved to avoid a sensitive ecologiocal area. This was agreed to and STILL our idiot president won't sign off because he doesn't want to risk pissing of the green movement.
I can see it now - a country devoid of any pollution, an ecologic paradise, because no one can survive in this economic climate. Dust to dust.....
vermontguy
Didn't you know that Obama has OPENED UP the Arctic and the Gulf to DRILLING just a couple of weeks ago? He apparently thought that HR 1229 HR1230 HR1238 and HR2021 were GOOD BILLS since he is doing what they proposed. BTW,these Bills have been sitting on Harry Reid's Desk for MONTHS!!
That's another misconception about the Obama administration, glad you brought up those bills, The pipeline that is much talked about is being championed by Rep.Paul Ryan due to the fact that is family owns a sleu of mineral and oil rights, of course he's trying to get domestic gas & oil production going, since he can stand to become a big time millionaire with it. Good point Vermontguy, glad there's people still out there that are not suckered in by this fake conservativeism.