What next after supercommittee failure? Lawmakers look to undo back-up plan

From The Associated Press:

WASHINGTON -- Don't look for the Pentagon to shut down one side of its famous five-sided building. Don't expect the Education Department to pull back its grants just yet.

With the collapse of the deficit-cutting supercommittee, Congress' emergency backup budget-cutting plan now is supposed to take over — automatic, across-the-board spending reductions of roughly $1 trillion from military as well as domestic government programs.

But the big federal deficit reductions that are to be triggered by Monday's supercommittee collapse wouldn't kick in until January 2013. And that allows plenty of time for lawmakers to try to rework the cuts or hope that a new post-election cast of characters — possibly a different president — will reverse them.

Congress' defense hawks led the charge Monday, arguing that the debt accord reached by President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans last summer already inflicted enough damage on the military budget. That agreement set in motion some $450 billion in cuts to future Pentagon accounts over the next decade.

The defense hawks were backed up in part by Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, who warned of a hollow force but implored Congress to produce a debt plan to avoid cuts "that will tear a seam in the nation's defense."

The supercommittee's failure to produce a deficit-cutting plan of at least $1.2 trillion after two months of work is supposed to activate the further, automatic cuts, half from domestic programs, half from defense. Combined with the current reductions, the Pentagon would be looking at nearly $1 trillion in cuts to projected spending over 10 years.

Deficit panel admit's it's a failure

Obama declared he would veto any effort to undo the automatic cuts. But there are sure to be efforts in that direction.

"Our military has already contributed nearly half a trillion to deficit reduction. Those who have given us so much have nothing more to give," said House Armed Services Committee Chairman Howard "Buck" McKeon, R-Calif., in promising to introduce legislation to prevent the cuts.

Sens. John McCain of Arizona, the top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., a member of the panel, said they would "pursue all options" to avoid deeper defense cuts.

The congressional rank and file may be determined to spare defense and undo the automatic cuts, but there's hardly unanimity. Deficit-cutting tea partyers within the GOP side with liberal Democrats in signaling they're ready to allow military reductions. In addition, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said they would abide by the consequences of the deficit-fighting law — and they control what legislation moves forward.

Freshman Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., a tea party favorite, even questioned the legitimacy of the outcry over the military reductions, from Defense Secretary Leon Panetta contending the cuts would be devastating to McKeon's warning that they would "cripple our ability to properly train and equip our force, significantly degrading military readiness."

"I think we need to be honest about it," Paul said in an interview on CNN Sunday. "The interesting thing is there will be no cuts in military spending. This may surprise some people, but there will be no cuts in military spending because we're only cutting proposed increases. If we do nothing, military spending goes up 23 percent over 10 years. If we sequester the money, it will still go up 16 percent. So spending is still rising under any of these plans."

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, the planned Pentagon budget for 2021 would be some $700 billion, an increase over the current level of about $520 billion. The cuts already in the works plus the automatic reductions would trim the projected amount by about $110 billion.

"It's not a decrease in the military budget. It's reducing the increase," said John Isaacs, executive director of Council for a Livable World and Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation.

But McCain and Graham have been working on legislation that would undo the automatic defense reductions and instead impose a 5 percent across-the-board reduction in government spending combined with a 10 percent cut in pay for members of Congress.

The Senate resumes work next week on a massive defense bill, a possible candidate for any effort to rework or undo the cuts.

"It's a near certainty they will try to get out from under it," Robert Bixby, executive director of the Concord Coalition, a nonpartisan group advocating fiscal discipline, said of the automatic cuts. "It's equally certain they will damage their credibility if they do so."

The next year-plus plays out in a politically charged atmosphere, with Obama's Republican presidential rivals Mitt Romney and Rick Perry already criticizing the commander in chief for the proposed cuts in defense.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said it was imperative for Obama "to ensure that the defense cuts he insisted upon do not undermine national security" as Panetta has warned.

Congressional Republicans and Democrats must also decide in the coming weeks whether to extend unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless and leave in place a payroll tax cut enacted last year to prop up the economy.

One other costly question is whether to fix the Medicare payment formula to prevent a nearly 30 percent cut in reimbursements to doctors.

At the end of 2012, Congress must decide whether to extend the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts enacted under President George W. Bush. Democrats want to allow them to expire for wealthy Americans, Republicans want to extend them.

Under the automatic cuts, the Pentagon would face a 10 percent cut in its $550 billion budget in 2013. On the domestic side, education, agriculture and environmental programs would face cuts of around 8 percent.

The law exempts Social Security, Medicaid and many veterans' benefits and low-income programs. It also limits Medicare to a 2 percent reduction.

"It doesn't begin for 13 months," said Jim Kessler, vice president for policy at the centrist-Democratic group Third Way. "Between now and then is an eternity for Congress."

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Associated Press writers Andrew Taylor and Alan Fram contributed to this report.

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Simply put - Your fired !!! DUH

  • 8 votes
#1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:09 PM EST

Yep. I concur.

"After months of hard work ..."

BULLS***!!!

The Democrats and Republicans on this ANYTHING BUT super ..."Super-committee" refused to even meet together in the same room after November 1. These petulant children wouldn't even walk across the hall to meet in the same room with the other party; a perfect example of the current US Congress as a whole.

It is time for the American people to solve this problem ourselves, and "clean the House", ...and the Senate. Send every last one of these 535 failures home (and send more than a few of them to prison), and let them try to find other jobs in this terrible economy; which the lot of them have not lifted one finger in four years to try to repair.

Maybe THAT will FINALLY get their attention. These people are a disgrace!

  • 44 votes
#1.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:49 PM EST

I agree Robert. This is a complete and utter disgrace. The people we elected to do a job have now failed us. I was raised that if you do not do your job, you are fired. This is the real world, and its time this Congress (BOTH PARTIES) take responsibility for their lack of action.

  • 19 votes
#1.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:02 PM EST

Why would you expect anything else from government employees. From janitors to senators ,you can't fire 'em . All you can do to get rid of them is promote them or retire them . Either way they collect your money for doing nothing.

  • 11 votes
#1.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:22 PM EST

I'm happy they failed. They all failed TOGETHER. True bipartisanship. Finally.

  • 17 votes
#1.4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:24 PM EST

Come on everyone - you know if the Super Committee doesn't save the country we've always got "Plan B" ... The Super Duper Committee!!! Seriously - who even took this group seriously in the first place. The only people capable of getting this country on track again are too busy working to stay ahead of the bureaucrats and the looters trying to take what they've earned.

  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:29 PM EST

For once the democrats have finally become partisan and not given in to the republicans plan to shoulder the entire burden onto the backs of the middle class! Further tax cuts and continuation of the loop holes to the rich and all the cuts falling onto the middle and lower class is not a bargain regardless of how many times they keep putting them on the table.

As far as Panetta goes, the military budget in 2001 was around 286billion and they were making it work then. Tear up any and all outstanding civilian contracts in Iraq now and get our military out of that country. We have achieved our goals in Afghanistan. Pull our troops out of that region now. Close the many hundreds of useless bases they have opened around the world and suddenly that fractional military cut becomes obsolete.

The republicans went into this mission knowing fully well that either the democrats would eventually cave in to their plan and then take the blame or they would simply let the proposed cuts fall into place and they would fight those instead. Not once did they ever offer a plan that would include the top tier tax payers giving up their tax breaks and helping to shoulder the burdens they have created.

  • 15 votes
#1.6 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:09 PM EST

Coming to a Congress near you - Stupor Committee!

When Congress returns from Thanksgiving break they need to give the economy a really stern talking to,

"Bad Economy Bad, we'll break you yet!"

Note: I do not support either corrupt political party. Vote out the incumbents, for true term limits.

  • 9 votes
#1.7 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:16 PM EST

They never think of the deficit when they want to make a move militarily on some country that has oil or other things the fat cats want and they always have money to bail out the rich but when it comes to Federal Spending that helps the middle class and poor then "we're broke" sorry.

US budget panel fails to reach deficit-cutting agreement

By Patrick Martin
21 November 2011

Members of a bipartisan congressional committee admitted Sunday that they had failed to reach any agreement on cutting $1.2 trillion over ten years from projected US government deficits. More than half the panel’s members appeared on network television interview programs Sunday to bemoan the breakdown of the effort, one day before the actual Monday deadline.

Under the procedure established in August as part of the agreement that ended the crisis over raising the federal debt ceiling, the 12-member committee, six senators and six congressmen, divided equally between the two big business parties, has until Wednesday, November 23 to deliver a deficit reduction proposal to Congress. Because the Congressional Budget Office must “score” the proposal to confirm that it meets the $1.2 trillion target, a process that requires 48 hours, the effective deadline is Monday.

If the panel had met the deadline, both the House and Senate would have been required to give an up-or-down vote, without any filibusters, amendments or procedural delays, by December 23. Failing to meet the deadline forecloses the use of these expedited procedures.

This sets into motion the second stage of the deficit-reduction process agreed on last August—an automatic “trigger” to cut spending. An across-the-board cut in federal spending of the required amount, $1.2 trillion over ten years, is to take effect in January 2013, divided equally between military and domestic social spending. According to an estimate from the Congressional Budget Office, Medicare reimbursements to providers would fall by 2 percent, other domestic programs by 7.8 percent, and military spending by about 10 percent…

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/nov2011/budg-n21.shtml

  • 1 vote
#1.8 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:34 PM EST

W8, that got a really big smile on my face, The Super Duper committee, Amazing these MORONS can tie their own shoes, they all need to be put out to pasture like the OLD senile old farts they are, Term limits and no super pensions or golden medical plans, that's what America really needs to do .....

  • 6 votes
#1.9 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:36 PM EST

Now that the "super" committee has shown their true ignorance on how to agree on how not to get things done, i'm sure i'm not alone on what I think of them. I'm wondering how much of tax payers money did they suck up on being on this "committee". I'm sure they still get their regular paycheck plus one for being on this committee. I feel it should have been said to them that if they can't get something corrected, they have to repay back their check for being on this

    #1.10 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:37 PM EST

    ' "Our military has already contributed nearly half a trillion to deficit reduction. Those who have given us so much have nothing more to give," said House Armed Services Committee Chairman Howard "Buck" McKeon, R-Calif., in promising to introduce legislation to prevent the cuts.'

    Therein lies the problem with the Democratic bargaining position. The Republicans knew most Americans would not like to see our armed forces 'gutted', but they don't care that much about the other programs that would be cut.

    That means that the Republicans will likely get the military cuts largely rescinded, leaving the cuts in the domestic programs intact. I'd like to see Obama try to veto spending on our military in an election year - even he's not that dumb.

    But all along, I have reminded people that the cuts don't kick in until 2013, so the 'self-imposed deadline' was a meaningless subterfuge that was clearly going to be ignored - especially considering the far-left and far-right makeup of the committee.

    If they really want to cut the Deficit by $4 Trillion, simply do NOTHING. The Bush tax cuts will expire automatically for everyone, and everyone will be happy - except for the middle class and 'poor', who will get stuck with paying 80% of that $4 Trillion in new taxes. And if they reinstate the Pentagon spending, but not the Domestic cuts, the Deficit reduction will be $4.6 Trillion over 10 years.

    • 2 votes
    #1.11 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:45 PM EST

    Some time I have to wonder is the news media nothing more than a propaganda organ of the state. Truth is that these clowns aren't talking about cutting anything. Their entire argument is over how much to INCREASE spending.

    • 7 votes
    #1.12 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:48 PM EST

    Treasonous comes to mind. Anyone who intentionally inflicts harm on the American people.

    • 1 vote
    #1.13 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:16 AM EST

    George Washington and a MINORITY of founding fathers preached against parties. This is what you get when party politics and panhandling to the extreme groups within the party gets you. Complete inaction and elections politics over the public good. Democracy only works when elected officials vote with their conscious and not with who gives you campaign contributions or who can get you elected. Democracy only works if the VOTERS are WELL INFORMED. Right now, we have neither. The people running for offices tries to confuse the voters with half truth/misinformation and the VOTERS are too ill informed due to either lack of education or personal bigotry that they buy into politicians' lies and half truth. This is so sad..........We are watching the foundation of the United States being eroded not by a foreign power but because of our OWN FLAWS. This is so so so sad.......

    • 3 votes
    #1.14 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:16 AM EST

    "I think we need to be honest about it," Paul said in an interview on CNN Sunday. "The interesting thing is there will be no cuts in military spending. This may surprise some people, but there will be no cuts in military spending because we're only cutting proposed increases. If we do nothing, military spending goes up 23 percent over 10 years. If we sequester the money, it will still go up 16 percent. So spending is still rising under any of these plans."

    These automatic cuts are not cuts at all. They are decreases in the projected increases. They arnt even talking about cutting into the deficit at all. They dont know what the @!$%# to do. We cant stop the train from derailing.

    • 6 votes
    #1.15 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:17 AM EST

    You got it right...get rid of everyone and bring in new, fresh people who care about the people instead of their own pockets.

    • 3 votes
    #1.16 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:18 AM EST

    What next after supercommittee failure? Lawmakers look to undo back-up plan

    ha ha hahaha ha.....what a joke

    These people have got to go. At least the party leaders and every person on this "super-committee".

    Here is a prediction on what they wil do to fix this....another committee...ha hah haha

    • 2 votes
    #1.17 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:19 AM EST

    Hahahaha! You guys were fooled hook, line and sinker. Each member of the Super Committee was had picked by their party as the extreme in their party. Did you really think they they would agree on anything. Mean while our President was running around campaigning and throwing jabs at the Republicans evey chance he got in public. This Committee was designed to fail and give the president cover for his re-election. Some Republicans should be booted and some democrats should be booted. But a President that plays one side against another definitely should go. Wake up people! It is the voter who will fix the deficeit By being wiser voters and selectg the people who will do the job instead of the politician that hands you a empty hand full of promises. It is time for Congressw to grow up and time for the voter to do the same. If you don't we all will go down the tubes.

    • 5 votes
    #1.18 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:25 AM EST

    Have you read the posts in these things. If the rest of this country is the same as the people in here then I don't think anybody will be voted out.

    I hope it happens like that but I'm not convinced.

      #1.19 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:36 AM EST

      idiot. Without vaccines we'd still have smallpox/polio/etc running rampant. You want that?

      • 1 vote
      #1.22 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:21 AM EST

      And you folks who say "fire them all"...who do you suppose you would replace them with? Such ignorance!!!! The problem is not the elected officials themselves...it is the POLITICAL PARTIES and the MONEY MACHINE!!!! For once I would like to see all of the angry people get a grip on reality and truly THINK and understand the problem. Until you end the two-party system and get the money completely out of politics, party clone number two will be replacing the current clone after you throw him/her out of office...they are only beholden to their parties and the monied interests behind their parties...not to you or me...and currently it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to get elected without the backing of either major party...so, what's your next suggestion?

      • 1 vote
      #1.23 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:09 AM EST

      Caligula,

      While I think the parties and the lobby money are significant problems, I think the real problem is the voters.

      We keep voting for whoever will tell us we can have everything we want, and we don't have to pay for it. Until this changes, things will not get better - even if we remove all lobbying money from the picture. We are living in a credit induced dream world, and it's not sustainable.

        #1.24 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:25 AM EST

        Ron...I will agree it's the voters as well...at least a third of the country are complete an utter morons who never read past a headline...if they can read and comprehend at all...they are told what to think and dutifully think it. But...getting the money out would help this as well as it would partially defund the political echo machines...

          #1.25 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:43 AM EST

          The 'Super Committee' was a joke from the get-go. When in doubt create a committee, got a question, create a committee. Want to pass the buck on a touchy issue? Found a committee. This thing was never meant to go anywhere in the first place, it was only more avoidance of responsibility coming from the buffoons in office.

          My personal favorite description of the efficacy of committees:

          "A camel is a horse designed by a committee."

          • 1 vote
          #1.26 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:28 PM EST

          how is cutting programs for the 99% and raising taxes for the 99% while giving tax breaks to the 1% a fair and balanced offer?

          The 1% should pay their fair share as we all do and subsidies for those people or businesses in the 1% category should end....this lop sided unjust unfair non shared burden needs to be balanced before this boat flips over and cannot be righted and sinks.

          We all pitch in we all win............the idea that the republicans would honor their pledge of no tax raises they made to a lobbyist and put that as more important than the over all welfare of our nations economy and the health and welfare of its people is more than ludicrous.........should be seen as treason.

          we all sink or swim together......one nation under God, all for one and one for all.....we are either all in this together or we all lose together............................

          after the economy recovers and our jobs numbers come back up and the nation heals and becomes less of a laughing stock and more of a leader and contender in the global community then I am sure the republicans and the 1% will get things back to a similar version of this horror they seem to see as business as usual......

          it would seem inevitable.....

          but for now we need to fix this with everybody participating...........

          this needs to be done...............now..............it is just business...no emotion...just business.........the emotion is protesting in the street because the business is not being taken care of...........

          so take care of business and get this country and her people back to work and back on track.

          How can the 1% and republicans not be for this?

          • 2 votes
          #1.27 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:02 PM EST

          The GOP T-Retards that signed the Grover Norquist pledge allegiance should be prosecuted and put in jail for deliberately sabotaging our Nation. "Where is the Dept., of Justice ? "

          • 1 vote
          #1.28 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:11 PM EST

          Because the cuts don't go into effect until 2013, congress still has a year to come up with at least $1.2 trillion in deficit reductions. And they must do so because the President came out and said he would veto any attempts by Teapublicans to squirm out of the obligation.

          Which right-wingers should find odd -- That it is Teapublicans trying to get out of spending cuts -- Well the ones they don't like, because they want all the cuts to come out of entitlements, though Social Security has nothing to do with the debt and they owe money to the trust fund. But come on, since the wars (which they started) are a major reason for the deficits (and borrowing from SS), it is more than fair that cuts come from defense.

          Now we need to address the other reason for deficits, and that was the Bush tax cuts passed in 2001 and specifically for the rich in 2003--during war time. Most Americans want a balanced approach with revenues at least equal to spending cuts. Most Americans want the revenue to come from the rich and profitable corporations who have not been paying their fair share. We really need at least $4 trillion total, and that will require revenue.

          Thankfully the Dems did not cave in. Kudos to the President for saying he would veto Teapublican efforts to "take an off ramp." Contact your Teapublican representatives and demand that they COMPROMISE and stop obstructing recovery from the recession. If they don't, vote them out.

          • 1 vote
          #1.29 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:02 PM EST
          beachbum12Deleted

          Well the farce is over and it is now time for congress to get back to work. They need to pass a budget for 2012. The President has promised that the 2012 federal deficit will not exceed 229.27 billion dollars. To keep the President's promise congress is going to have to cut spending by more than 1 trillion dollars in just one year, now. The President made the promise so he needs to supply some leadership in this area. I think that a 20% reduction in all compensation to federal employees will go a long way to meet this goal without reducing service to the public.

          Many of these spending programs sound great until one looks at the true cost to the tax payers. The federal government is already more than 15 trillion dollars in debt. I estimate that for any more money borrowed, it will cost the tax payers 9 times the amount borrowed to pay it back over a period of 170 years. A 900 percent markup for goods and services that the federal government must pay is not a good deal for the tax payers.

          With our balance of payments so far in the red, all of this additional spending does not turn the economy around because the money all leaks out and all we are left with is more debt. This has been going on for decades and it appears that both Republican and Democratic administrations have not been successful in fixing the problem. Instead of a policy of free trade we need a policy of fair trade. Companies are having to move production our of this country so that their products are price competitive. It is not a matter of national loyalty. They have to do it to stay in business. Congress needs to change the rules of the game so that companies can keep their production here and still remain competitive for at least the American market.

            #1.31 - Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:16 PM EST
            Reply

            Come on everybody. We know the game is up. Let's declare national bankruptcy already and stop delaying the inevitable.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:13 PM EST

            Ron Paul - “To be fair, however, in one sense members of the Super Committee face an impossible task. They must, in effect, cut government spending without first addressing the role of government in our society. They must continue to insist the federal government can provide Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits in the future as promised, while maintaining our wildly interventionist foreign policy. Yet everyone knows this is a lie.

            “Keep in mind that the 2011 federal deficit alone was about $1.3 trillion, which means the Super Committee needs to cut that much PER YEAR rather than over a 10 year period. If Congress ever hopes to address its debt problem, it must first stop accumulating any new debt immediately, in 2012.
            Federal revenue likely will be about $2.3 trillion in fiscal 2012. The 2004 federal budget was about $2.3 trillion. So Congress simply needs to adopt the 2004 budget next year and the federal government will balance outlays and revenue. That’s all it would take to produce a balanced budget right now. Was the federal government really too small just 7 years ago, in 2004? Of course not. Only Washington hysteria would have us believe otherwise.

            Federal revenue likely will be about $2.3 trillion in fiscal 2012. The 2004 federal budget was about $2.3 trillion. So Congress simply needs to adopt the 2004 budget next year and the federal government will balance outlays and revenue. That’s all it would take to produce a balanced budget right now. Was the federal government really too small just 7 years ago, in 2004? Of course not. Only Washington hysteria would have us believe otherwise.

            • 9 votes
            #2.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:28 PM EST

            im lerning chinese

            • 2 votes
            #2.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:35 PM EST

            I inadvertently pasted repetitive paragraphs regarding 'Federal revenue likely..." in the comment above. However, the information is important enough to say more than once!

            • 2 votes
            #2.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:36 PM EST

            Jimmy Neutron-4486790

            im lerning chinese

            You should learn english, first.

            • 3 votes
            #2.4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:00 PM EST

            Let's keep the domestic program and ditch the interventionist foreign policy.

            • 3 votes
            #2.5 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:25 PM EST

            alim-2810059

            Thank you for posting it, I was going to post it but you beat me to it.

            EVERYONE:

            Listen up.

            there is only one person running in this election who both understands the problem AND has a solid concrete plan to fix it. NOW, TODAY!!!!

            The immediate plan is well within a presidents authority to handle, and the extended plan to eliminate the deficit in 3 years would need some help from congress, but it is doable. And besides we will already have the proof in hand because the first part has been done.

            WE need to elect RON PAUL! The only one with a plan....

            And by the way, he is not hooked to Norquist. (for those where that is an issue)

            • 1 vote
            #2.6 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:12 AM EST

            @alim, in 2004 we had a massive deficit from unfunded war, unfunded NCLB, unfunded entitlements to cronies, and unfunded tax cuts to the rich. Since then, the debt has increaed so much the additional interest on the borrowed money runs in the hundreds of billions.

            The last year we had a surplus was 1999, if I remember correctly. If you're serious about deficit reduction, look at every spending bill, war bill, tax cut, and so on, and if it is not funded, repeal it.

              #2.7 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:58 AM EST

              Composer,

              Unfortunately, even if we cut defense spending by 50% (which I'm in favor of), we are not even close to balancing the budget. Entitlement spending needs to be cut, and taxes need to be raised on everyone. The hole we've dug is too large to solve with a few easy changes like pulling our military back home.

                #2.8 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:28 AM EST

                Dangr

                most of what you are saying I agree with.

                The one thing I do not agree with is this....

                Quote:

                ".....tax cut, ........., and if it is not funded,.........."

                A tax cut by it's nature is a reduction in revenue, "funding" a tax cut is an equal, replacing one set of funds with another. In other words, NO TAX CUT.

                Anyone complaining about an unfunded tax cut is arguing for NO tax cut.

                I won't even address the issue of them only arguing about a reduction in already mandated increases.

                That will take more time than what I have now.

                but remember, arguing against an unfunded tax cut is arguing for NO tax cut.

                Basically a liberal mantra in today's world



                • 1 vote
                #2.9 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:08 PM EST
                Reply

                Yeah enough is enough lets cut their salary. Not just GOP but Dems also. I bet if we vote to cut their salaries they will do something.. Let's get together to get their salaries cut.

                • 16 votes
                Reply#3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:21 PM EST

                instead of cutting their salaries, all members of Congress should repay to the American taxpayer their salaries since 2008 because they haven't done a damn thing except bicker like a bunch of little kids. if they were in the real world working a real job they would have been fired along time ago for not doing the job that they were sent to Washington to do. it baffels me that the republicans are too stupid to realize that you have to increase taxes as well as making cuts to spending

                • 15 votes
                #3.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:10 PM EST

                The problem is that no one wants to meet halfway. We have the Republicans that are handcuffed by a pledge to Norquist and the Democrats that are fighting for entitlements, and neither side will budge. Why dont they sign a pledge with the American people that is who put them in office.

                • 3 votes
                #3.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:24 PM EST

                Ron Paul - “Government spending isn't just wasteful; it is often actively harmful to stated goals. The Super Committee could simply apply 2004 spending levels across the board and a tremendous victory for fiscal sanity would be accomplished.

                “What seems more likely, however, is a rearrangement of the tax code in an attempt to bring in more revenue. Deductions and credits will be taken away, and the Bush tax cuts will be allowed to expire. As a result, less money will remain in the private sector to create jobs and produce economic growth. The Super Committee has an opportunity to take a small baby step in the right direction. Instead, they no doubt will take this opportunity to raise taxes and make everything worse. But increasing taxes will only diminish freedom and deepen the recession. Instead of looking for ways to hike taxes under the guise of “raising revenue,” the Super Committee should put forth a plan of real spending cuts to put America back on the path to liberty and prosperity.”

                • 2 votes
                #3.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:32 PM EST

                Hah! yeah, that'll happen. The earth would split in half and congress would agree to take a pay cut let alone forgo their annual raise and perks. Nothing like setting an example eh? Oh, and remember- Gabby Giffords is a member of congress too!

                • 3 votes
                #3.4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:48 PM EST

                I bet if we vote to cut their salaries they will do something..

                Yeah...They'll vote themselves a pay raise.

                They already voted to give themselves 1 week of vacation for every 2 weeks they work. Anyone else have a job like that?

                • 4 votes
                #3.5 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:57 PM EST

                Cut their salary??? I say let's...hmmm...what's the word???...fire them and hire competent people???

                I mean people that are actually qualified to handle this. Because, clearly, these people are not qualified for they are completely incompetent.

                • 3 votes
                #3.6 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:19 AM EST

                Enough is enough. Either sh&* or get of the pot.

                  #3.7 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:23 AM EST

                  Last election many were replaced and just look what we got. The best thing for Americans would be for the President to send Congress home until Harry and Mich could say we have an agreement. If Congress was sent home they could not F**kup anything else.

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.8 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:15 AM EST
                  Reply

                  Never thought I'd say this, but GOOD FOR YOU TEA PARTY. Hold Congress' feet to the fire on the automatic cuts. The cuts need to go into effect as specified in the law that Congress passed this last summer, with no exemptions for the defense department.

                  • 19 votes
                  Reply#4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:34 PM EST

                  Agreed, thanks Mr. Otter.

                    #4.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:38 PM EST

                    Are you serious??? Cut out our protection and kill what little hope our community has left???

                    You are purely off the charts.

                    • 1 vote
                    #4.3 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:26 AM EST
                    Reply

                    The Republicans made the deal, failed to do anything to make different cuts happen and now they want to change the result. Like a bunch of children..

                    • 15 votes
                    Reply#5 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:38 PM EST

                    The Democrats are looking for ways to avoid cuts also (education, environment, agriculture). Cuts need to be made. I hope they are made. There's too much wasteful spending, like giving China financial aide. To believe it's one sided is naive.

                    • 5 votes
                    #5.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:20 PM EST

                    What is your point??? That we should cut spending here or in china???

                    Because, frankly, I think china is diseased. Who would invest in that???

                    OH, Yea, Wallstreet. Another lame attempt at compentency.

                    • 1 vote
                    #5.2 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:31 AM EST

                    Mr. Failed Experiment: its not that the Democrats are against all spending cuts. When you find that your household is unable to make ends meet, you don't say, "We can go without food or electricity for a few months if I catch a few fish everyday after work.." No. You say, "sweetheart, you are going to need to get a job so we can get the bills paid and still afford some food."

                    If you are really content to let America become a third world country, than yes, cut education. ( That is pretty telling, I think, the people who want to cut education.) Environment, heck- I don't even think CO2 really exists. Its *invisible* ooooohh..

                    You want to keep the rural vote? Cut agriculture. Those rural Americans hate agriculture.

                    I think your "failed experiment" will be running another 5 years...

                    • 5 votes
                    #5.3 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:50 AM EST
                    Reply

                    What a joke! It was all BS, political grand-standing, and now ... business as usual!

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#6 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:42 PM EST

                    WHY DON'T WE THE PEOPLE address the real problem , cut out the name calling ,blame gaming and finger pointing , ( u- tube videos ) DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH , The AGENDA - GRINDING AMERICA DOWN / WHO CONTROLS THE CHIDREN ( schools dumb down kids deliberately ) Americans ALL Americans have been sheep following along to their own slaughter

                    • 7 votes
                    Reply#7 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:46 PM EST
                    Reply

                    I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#8 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:47 PM EST

                    Whats next is to vote every last one of them out of office.

                    • 5 votes
                    Reply#9 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:51 PM EST

                    Not Ron Paul. Read his comments back up the page. We can fix this!

                    • 2 votes
                    #9.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:41 PM EST

                    He also wants to end the war on drugs.

                    He sounds to good to be true I tell ya.

                    • 2 votes
                    #9.2 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:34 AM EST
                    Reply

                    see we have been screwed again. they didnt tell us that.what a sick joke are goverment is all the way to the top.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#10 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:53 PM EST
                    Reply

                    This is not blaming - this is reality. The committee was doomed from the start because the Congress is filled with followers and no leaders. Look at Boehner - he is a puppet. His strings are pulled by Re-baggers. The Republicans - all them - every stinking one of them are cowards. Now they want to undo what they did waving the American flag and patriotism and fear mongering that we are a second class people. The only second class is the Congress and their brains have been in recess. The 87 Freshman can't even wipe their butts and they are blackmailing their own leadership. Our Congress is the biggest joke on the international stage, second only to the Gingrich-Marie Antoinette look alike, the Bachman - Perry Overdrive , the Herman Cain reality sex show, the Romney I am for anything if it gets me elected show. These guys are jokes and they will be laughed at on the world stage. God forbid they get their finger on the red button. If you think Bush had a problem with stringing two words together to make a sentence, this road show demonstrates he was an Einstein.

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#11 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:58 PM EST

                    I agree,snow white and the 7 mental dwarfs are a joke.....which proves my theory that the powers that be in the GOP DO NOT want the White House. They have done everything in their power to screw this economy up,and they served up these morons as candidates,its pretty obvious. Well I hope Obama sticks to his guns and veto's any attempt to circumvent the auto cuts. Think about it,Obama is saying cut cut cut and the gop is yelling ...wait wait wait,,,,,four more years !!!! Even they can't stand their leading candidate.......

                    • 4 votes
                    #11.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:14 PM EST

                    And the DemocRATic control of Congress since the last two years of W's term that spent one trillion/yr in the red is who's fault?? Attacking GOP candidates WILL NOT erase Obama's record!!

                    • 4 votes
                    #11.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:21 PM EST

                    They are all lazy and stupid! They should all have their pay withheld until they do some work. I have never seen such lazy people.

                    • 1 vote
                    #11.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:22 PM EST

                    Tregun and your red brother Cowboy, you are what is wrong with America. You can't see pass your rosy colored glasses that all of them are to fault, especially our rotten President Obummer. They all have to go. Get em all out.

                    • 2 votes
                    #11.4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:37 PM EST

                    @TMP-4102149

                    Of course you have. Just look at the posters on here that believe anyone in the Executive or Legislative branches is putting the country ahead of their self-interest.

                    • 1 vote
                    #11.5 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:14 PM EST

                    why is it when you liberals decide to rant and list all the idiot republican candidates,

                    you consistently fail to list Ron Paul?

                    Not criticizing, just want to know why you give him a pass....

                    • 2 votes
                    #11.6 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:20 AM EST
                    Reply

                    I would like to sue the super-committee for all the money I lose in my already poultry 401k. See there are good uses for lawyers.....

                    • 3 votes
                    Reply#12 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:01 PM EST

                    Cowboy, you really shouldn't have your 401k in poultry. Don't be chicken, diversify so that your portfolio doesn't turn into a turkey and gobble up your savings. Don't duck this, it's too important to your future.

                    • 7 votes
                    #12.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:59 PM EST

                    you quack me up...

                    • 4 votes
                    #12.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:03 PM EST

                    Cowboy.. Don't egg him on!

                    • 4 votes
                    #12.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:18 PM EST

                    :-)

                      #12.4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:39 PM EST

                      Yeah I think that's paltry buddy....But as usual you recovered nicely...And pretended like it was a joke..

                        #12.5 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:22 AM EST
                        Reply

                        Cut cut cut cut cut cut cut; but, not what I want.

                        • 4 votes
                        Reply#13 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:03 PM EST

                        Obama is right. Compromise is the only way. 50% cuts, 50% taxes on the rich. No, no, no. Says mr grover. The gop have made binding tax pledges to me. If any of the not meet their pledge to me, i will do to them what i did the bush 41. Is this democracy. Is this constitutional.

                        • 11 votes
                        Reply#14 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:08 PM EST

                        If they raise taxs the rich are not the only ones that will pay. Mark my words!

                        • 6 votes
                        #14.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:24 PM EST

                        I agree, they are supposed to listen to the will of the people, not the will of the Tea Party and norquist.

                        • 6 votes
                        #14.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:28 PM EST

                        I think everyone should pay 50%, after all we want equality.

                        • 2 votes
                        #14.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:35 PM EST

                        I'll pay 50% of what the rich pay. Which should lower my tax rate to 8%.

                        • 3 votes
                        #14.4 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:04 AM EST

                        I will pay 100% of what GE and the others like 'em paid...I wouldn't mind the credits or even 10% of the credits they get.......Shiiiit!!!!! even one quarter of one percent and I would be crying about tax cuts for me so I can be a job creator......NiggaPleaze..

                        • 1 vote
                        #14.5 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:27 AM EST
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                        If they undo the back-up plan, We the People should demand an immediate and complete dissolution of Congress and a decree that any Congressman currently serving cannot run for any office anytime in the future. How can we possibly allow these people to retain their office when they won't even abide by their own rules?

                        • 7 votes
                        Reply#15 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:13 PM EST

                        nice idea then what?

                          #15.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:47 PM EST

                          We've got plenty of mentally challenged people living on the streets right now. Some of them could act as temporary replacements until elections could be held.

                          They couldn't do any worse.

                          • 2 votes
                          #15.2 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:19 AM EST

                          Hell yeah let's have a constitutional convention of the new millineum..........

                            #15.3 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:28 AM EST

                            @Wake Up Now

                            Hmmm... I'm afraid you interpreted my post in a manner I did not intend. For that I apologise. You see... I was inferring that perhaps some of those that DO happen to be mentally challenged and DO happen to be living on the streets could perform equally as well as the disfunctional bunch presently taking up space in the house and senate. At no time did I intend to indicate that any of the people without benefit of a home were inferior in any way. I am well aware that many highly intelligent people have become displaced through absolutely NO fault of their own.

                            I've come across some of your other posts elsewhere and have a suspicion that we may hold many of the same values. Not necessarily all, mind you, but nonetheless many.

                            Now then, if I might make a tiny suggestion? In the future before jumping to conclusions you might try reviewing a person's comment history to some degree. Just click on the header of the person you wish to review and that will take you to their column where you can make your review.

                            Have a pleasant evening.

                              #15.5 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:11 AM EST

                              @Wake Up Now

                              No worries. See you around. But... please... don't call me sir. Thanks.

                                #15.7 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:08 AM EST
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                                To all those who think this is a failure of congress, you are wrong.

                                This is a failure of the right wing who would rather serve Norquist then America!

                                Dems were willing to compromise, repubs, would not. It is as simple as that.

                                • 12 votes
                                Reply#16 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:13 PM EST

                                alpha -

                                When have the democrats 'compromised' since January 2009?

                                I'm just glad that the republicans are turning the tables on them.

                                I'd much rather see gridlock than the continued runaway debt train we had in the 1st 2 years of the Obama administration.

                                  #16.2 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:19 AM EST
                                  Reply

                                  Enough already people! Just end social security,medicare,food stamps now. We got too many people not enough to go around. Support the GOP take the country back.

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#17 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:16 PM EST

                                  then give me my money back! and i meen all of it

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #17.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:49 PM EST

                                  And end all subsidized markets also.

                                  How about we shut down all govt. spending.

                                  The rich will pay for all the infrastructure.

                                  They already own everything anyway, then they would just have to pay for it without our help.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #17.2 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:42 AM EST

                                  Sorry Jimmy,Obama spent it.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #17.3 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:16 AM EST

                                  Isn't CO2 really useful for plants, or was that a lie in basic highschool science class.

                                  To a point. Here is something else it does for the environment! That basic highschool science class just wasn't long enough.

                                    #17.5 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:57 AM EST

                                    My link was removed. Search for Co2 causes acidification of seas.

                                      #17.6 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:26 AM EST
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                                      60% flat tax on rich and poor, and that money has to go into paying off our debt. Obama, dems, repubs need the boot, new elections and new policies need to be made. Poor, middle rich class need to receive their fair share of taxes, if ppl claim make the rich pay 50% more than poor that is BS. We are the highest already for taxes on businesses, so shut up about raising more and more. My beef is the freeloaders that say higher taxes on people who earn more. EVERYONE needs to pull their own weight, i vote higher taxes on everyone from earning $0.01 to $1B a year at 60%. You wanna play hardball, then go fetch.

                                      • 4 votes
                                      Reply#18 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:17 PM EST

                                      If you took every single penny from every single American it still would not cover the cost of obama's 10 billion dollar per day spending proposed for 2012 !!!

                                      This is a horrible reality and spending needs to stop !! 10 BILLION DOLLARS PER DAY !!! and democrats are ok with that. Make your votes count next year folks...we are in deep sh1t if we let this clown and his merry bunch of idiots keep control of this country.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      Reply#19 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:18 PM EST

                                      You should have been saying that when we were spending billions of dollars a month in Iraq. Wake up, this started with Bush in 2000, he inherited a surplus, all he had to do was to follow the blueprint. Instead, he choose to start two wars and give tax cuts to corporations that outsource most of their jobs overseas.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #19.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:31 PM EST

                                      Steve,

                                      1. That is a lie. Your 'facts' are bogus.
                                      2. Obama will win in 2012. Get used to it.
                                      • 2 votes
                                      #19.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:37 PM EST

                                      Mad most Democrats in Congress at the time voted for the war also!

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #19.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:42 PM EST

                                      Only because the Republicans whipped the country into hysteria and conned the country into thinking we were going to be attacked with weapons of mass destruction, and the Democrats knew they'd lose their 2004 elections if they opposed it.

                                      • 3 votes
                                      #19.4 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:07 AM EST

                                      Steve at least have the guts to tell the truth. 10 billion a day? just where does that money go to? Oh yeah it's paying for the mess that bush left behind. Unlike Bush Obama put the two wars on the dept for everyone to see.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #19.5 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:45 AM EST

                                      I wonder who said this in Dec. 1998.

                                      Earlier today, I ordered America’s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq’s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors.

                                      Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States, and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world.

                                      Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons.

                                      http://articles.cnn.com/1998-12-16/politics/1998_12_16_transcripts_clinton_1_saddam-hussein-unscom-iraq-strike?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #19.6 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:18 AM EST
                                      Reply

                                      Norquist should be sent to guantanamo for treason! He is a traitor to this country!!!

                                      • 11 votes
                                      Reply#20 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:18 PM EST

                                      The cool thing about treason, the punishment is laid out in the Constitution--death by hanging.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #20.1 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:26 AM EST

                                      Since when is it 'treason' to want the federal government to stop spending this country into debt so bad that we become like Greece?

                                      Oh yeah! If you are a liberal that believes in a nanny-state and cradle-to-grave entitlements and wants the government to even wipe your behind I guess you would see this as treason.

                                      Grow up and stand on your own two feet for once in your life!

                                        #20.2 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:25 AM EST
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                                        Let's ALL stop 'acting' like we don't know EXACTLY why we don't have a deal today.

                                        There is ONLY ONE REASON we don't have a deal.

                                        Democrats WILL NEVER AGREE to extend the misguided Bush tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires.

                                        Tonight, Democrats proved they still have a spine and we're tired of capitulating to a bunch of lying Republicans. GOOD JOB OBAMA!

                                        You Republicans lied to us before the 2010 elections - you said you'd 'Learned your lesson' and that IF America would just give you 'One more chance' we'd see a NEW Republican party. You said 'It is all about jobs!'

                                        It was ALL Bullsh|t!!! As Joe Wilson said, YOU LIE!

                                        As soon as you Republicans picked up seats in the 2010 elections, we saw the IMMEDIATE onslaught of your proposed legislation to:

                                        1. Reduce voting rights with FALSE claims of voter fraud
                                        2. Reduce womens rights with attempts to overturn Roe vs. Wade
                                        3. Declared war on Teachers and public schools
                                        4. Declared war on Police and Firefighters
                                        5. Attempted to eliminate the EPA
                                        6. Declared war on Social Security, Medicare
                                        7. Attempted to LOWER taxes on the rich (fake job creators)
                                        8. Attempted to eliminate the Wall Street reforms that got us into this mess
                                        9. The wingnut religionists drive to post the Ten Commandments in every government office and school in the land.
                                        10. Attempted to eliminate Obamacare leaving us all to the mercy of big medical and big insurance

                                        So, one must ask, WHERE ARE THE FREAKIN' JOBS????

                                        THE LYIN' LIARS ARE LYIN' AND LYIN', ALL BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SAY NO TO A STUPID PLEDGE TO AN UNELECTED LOBBYIST NAMED GROVER NORQUIST?!!! WTF !???

                                        SHAME SHAME SHAME ON EVERY UNAMERICAN REPUBLICAN AND TEA BAGGER!
                                        VOTE STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC TICKET IN 2012! END THIS MADNESS WITH THESE LYIN' LIARS!

                                        • 22 votes
                                        Reply#21 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:19 PM EST

                                        Why don't you ask obama where the jobs are ? where are the million "shovel ready" jobs ? A big lie by your liar in chief !!

                                        start putting some of the blame where it belongs !!

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #21.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:24 PM EST

                                        The House has sent 15 job creating bills to the Senate. Harry Reid won't let any progress. He's played politics with the lives of each and every American (an illegals too).

                                        We'll remember and we'll be voting in November '12.

                                        • 5 votes
                                        #21.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:26 PM EST

                                        The Democrats are destined to take a beating like they did last election. I'm a moderate and all the far left spin does not make me forget the agenda of the Democrats when they controlled Congress. Social issues were passed for three years and NOW we're talking jobs! The federal government has shown that they have NO CLUE how to spend money. If we give them more we'll end up that much more in the hole!

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #21.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:28 PM EST

                                        First off lets set the facts straight. The Republicans cntrol thee house. The Dems the Senate. Neither has produced one real attempt at solving the economy issue. So when the ubers of this country elected the under qualified President we have now, and he had both the house and Senate, why was there no change at that time? Oh, thats right they were busy pissing down our backs. What, Dem piss is different from Republican piss?

                                        They are all out for the masters that hold their purse strings. Dems and Republicans have different masters so it is easy to blame one or the other. Try freeing your mind and thinking for yourself. We need real change not just from one party to another. Republicans, demsand tea party be damned.

                                        If you want to know who the true villian in this country is. Its the idiots that vote a party line out of ignorance. This is why there has to be term limits to protect the people from themselves.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #21.4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:08 PM EST

                                        RDG, your history of posts proves you are no moderate! You post the R party line consistently, so nice try, but no cookie!!!

                                        • 4 votes
                                        #21.5 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:19 PM EST

                                        Please quote your source for 1 thru 10

                                          #21.6 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:43 PM EST

                                          Duh! The jobs are in clean energy. Solyndra, etc.

                                            #21.7 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:08 AM EST

                                            twotex

                                            Please quote your source for 1 thru 10

                                            It's called recent history. Follow it.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #21.8 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:08 AM EST

                                            Beau Bennett - I couldn't have said it better myself!

                                              #21.9 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:15 AM EST

                                              This is wonderful! The sheep calling the other sheep black! First of alll, the 1.2 Trillion in cuts over 10 years is equal to 100 billion a year. during the next ten years will will raised the debt ceiling many times over. The Department of Energy lost about a billion dollars just on solar companies this year. The government easily waste about 200 billion a year. The plain fact no part of the U.S. Government should handle money. The tax payer just suports their spending sprees The fact is no one can find one solid accomplishment from either party, but our Prtesident has had a whirlwind vaction while campaigning on our dime. If you put your pay check in the bank and at the end of the month you got a statement that you were 15 million dollars in the red you would want better answers that our Government has been giving us. If you vote straight line for a political party, blame yourself for where you are lead. We will not get out of this deficiet easy, we can go a little bit at the time until like Fred Sanford , " Elizabeth, I'm coming , it is the big one!". We have to learn to be smarter than a Party, we have to be smart Voters.

                                                #21.10 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:30 AM EST

                                                Try looking in N. Dakota,Alabama and Texas

                                                  #21.11 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:21 AM EST
                                                  Reply

                                                  Let the automatic cuts take effect.

                                                  You will soon see who is beholden to special interests......The roaches will be scurrying to protect their puppet masters.

                                                  Hopefully people will take notice and vote accordingly.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  Reply#22 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:21 PM EST

                                                  I agree.

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #22.1 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:26 AM EST

                                                  I agree also

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  #22.2 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:50 AM EST
                                                  Reply

                                                  OWS sucks , people are not going to get anywhere , this country is to messed up to fix . I worked for a company for 25 years ,when I started in 1985 the top pay was $3000 a month free health insurance 6 weeks vacation. When I left in 2008 $3000 a month , 4 weeks vacation and $300 a month for insurance and pension frozen in 2003 . I get a pension lucky for me a whopping $1100 a month   

                                                  • 1 vote
                                                  Reply#23 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:22 PM EST

                                                  I was invited by a well known University to speak about small business in this country. I must agree with Mr. Segers, that we are failing our students in regards to their respective education. I was truly saddened by the response to some of my questions from these juniors and seniors.

                                                  Unfortunately, this syndrome apparently applies to our current politicians too, both democrat and republican. They cannot think for themselves, and have failed to see the harm they are causing our country by their inability to compromise! I saw Mayor Bloomberg of New York City tonight on one of the shows, and he seems to be the only smart politician out there! Oh, how I wish that he was President, and we had 261 like minded representatives in the House, and 60 in the Senate. I am a Republican, and I say let Bush's Tax Cuts be repealed, along with the cuts in spending 3 times over. What I would make in the inevitable stock market surge, will more than offset the added tax I would need to pay. In addition, increase the minimum age by 3 years, in order for one to collect Social Security or qualify for Medicare. If our current politicians would only do these things, we would all see a rebirth of our economy, and the Dow would probably soar to 20,000!

                                                  But I am also realistic, and I'm afraid we will see our "do nothing Congress" continue to destroy our economy and our country, minute by minute, hour by hour, and day by day; until we suffer the same fate as Europe, and then it will be too late!

                                                  • 4 votes
                                                  Reply#24 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:23 PM EST

                                                  I would be more than glad to accept a tax increase IF "spending was cut 3 times over". I'm sure there would be lots of screaming over the cuts.

                                                  Read recently where someone suggested "any Congressman who does not vote for a balanced budget will not be eligible for re-election. At first I thought this a bit ridiculous but have decided it might make them work a little harder and compromise.

                                                    #24.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:54 PM EST
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                                                    Have not found one member of congress that is not an incompetent destructive narisisst. The plan of George Soros and Obama was for the committee and congress to fail so Obama could run on a failed congress ticket and Soros would once more be controlling the white house. success!

                                                    Get those czars out of OUR white house and out law ALL lobbyists. Get rid of the 22 "assistants" to mrs. O. and start with SMALL staff not controlled by Soros. None of these people are competent, elected, or approved by congress. Get rid of them!

                                                    Sstart REALLY investigating fraud in ALL areas.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    Reply#25 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:23 PM EST

                                                    Your abstract and bizarre comments are nearly irrelevant, but absolutely wrong.

                                                    czars in the White House? Ahem. . .really? Is that the best you got?

                                                    Boy are people getting dumber here or what? Some of you just need to stop watching FOX.

                                                    • 3 votes
                                                    #25.1 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:32 PM EST

                                                    The only member who is competent is Ron Paul. Every year he keeps speaking the truth. The Tea Party hates him. Dems (like Kucinich) admire him. But he doesn't care about what any of them say. He is in it to help the people take their country back. That's all of us.

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #25.2 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:47 PM EST

                                                    hey coo coo,where in the hell do you read this stuff....oh ...you made it up...

                                                    • 1 vote
                                                    #25.3 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:05 PM EST

                                                    @Beau Bennett,

                                                    Don't you mean "Some of you need to stop watching FAUX? :D

                                                    I stopped watching FOX, CNN, MSNBC, Headline News, etc. long ago. They're nothing but politically-motivated manufacturers of pure unadulterated Grade A American-made horse manure. Every last one of them.

                                                      #25.4 - Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:20 PM EST

                                                      Just for fun-

                                                      Why Fox News Channel Is An Industry Joke

                                                      Relying on the Fox News Channel as your only source of news is like using MAD Magazine as a legitimate source of news. The Fox News Channel's reporting style is so biased and skewed that trying to obtain any real information from a news report is quite challenging. Fox News is a joke because it provides info-tainment rather than reality-based news coverage. Fox News Channel is a "news channel" in name only. The network is what L.A. Times Editor John S. Carroll calls "pseudojournalism."

                                                      Carroll's opinion of Fox News is that it is situated somewhere between journalism and propaganda -- but leans closer to straight ahead attack politics. The perversion of the Fox News Channel is that it is nothing more than a pulpit for the ultra-conservative wing of the Republican Party. The Fox News Channel presents sprinkles of news punctuated with interviews and commentary which promotes its own viewpoint. Sitting far away from objective fact-based journalism, Carroll comments that "if Fox News were a factory situated, say, in Minneapolis, it would be trailing a plume of rotting fish all the way to New Orleans."



                                                      http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/networks/foxnews/foxnews.html


                                                      • 6 votes
                                                      #25.5 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:15 AM EST

                                                      The reason I have found that most far-left-wingnuts hate Fox news is that they dare to tell the other side of the story. There are more liberals on Fox than conservatives on MS-DNC, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, or any other lame stream media outlet. You have folks like Beau who listen to the democrats flail about Fox and have probably never listened to or watched Fox. They do lean right, of this there is no doubt, but they are not nearly as partisan as Chris Matthews and his tingling leg when he hears Obama speak, Rachael Maddow and her hatred of the GOP or Olberman and his brand of hate spewed nightly.

                                                        #25.6 - Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:18 AM EST
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